How come no one is talking about this? I don't live anywhere near colorado but I know this has been going on all week. For those of you who haven't heard, the military (no one is sure which branch) has been performing urban takeover drills in an abandoned buildings all over downtown Denver. If you do live there I know you have to have seen the black helicopters flying overhead, dropping off unmarked soldiers in solid black clothing. They may have even threw you a glowstick with a US flag or army patch attatched to it. Well if it wasn't a drill, that glowstick would be a frag grenade or tear gas. Supposedly these drills are being conducted as training for the war on terror, some believe its related to the upcoming DNC meeting right down the street, but I believe its practice for martial law. Our rights have already been suppressed by the patriot act, the military could come to your town right this second and put you all under martial law, raid your house, take everything you have, imprison or even kill you, all legally, simply under the suspicion of being a terrorist. Sound familiar? Anyway I'm done ranting i just wanna know what you all think or this event, and what you think about the military conducting training drills in the middle of a heavily populated city, something they are never supposed to do.
::) jesus dude. Posse Comitatus
And its happening in Florida as well. Have you seen videos of the way the "cops" have been treating the people in Iowa? People just want to go to their homes and the police are arresting people if they try to go back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONAudPPhum8
What happened to the 4th amendment? Will this be happening in YOUR city when a "disaster" happens?
Interesting
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 19, 2008, 08:46 PM
And its happening in Florida as well. Have you seen videos of the way the "cops" have been treating the people in Iowa? People just want to go to their homes and the police are arresting people if they try to go back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONAudPPhum8
What happened to the 4th amendment? Will this be happening in YOUR city when a "disaster" happens?
that video shows absolutely nothing as to what you are talking about. And if what you said is true. Ever think that maybe the police and fire dept. are just doing whats best for everyone? Do you think the governor of Iowa wants to be hung out to dry because he let another katrina happen? These idiots will be stubborn and want to go to their homes. then when shit gets bad and floods again they will call and cry for help so that other people have to risk their lives ( and more tax dollars get spent ) just because this ass hole couldn't just tough it out in a hotel for a few weeks.
I have no idea how the two of you dont see this as fear mongering. There is perfectly logical reasoning in both situations and you guys are just making it shit that it is not.
Quote from: Variable on Jun 19, 2008, 09:26 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 19, 2008, 08:46 PM
And its happening in Florida as well. Have you seen videos of the way the "cops" have been treating the people in Iowa? People just want to go to their homes and the police are arresting people if they try to go back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONAudPPhum8
Ever think that maybe the police and fire dept. are just doing whats best for everyone? Do you think the governor of Iowa wants to be hung out to dry because he let another katrina happen? These idiots will be stubborn and want to go to their homes. then when shit gets bad and floods again they will call and cry for help so that other people have to risk their lives ( and more tax dollars get spent ) just because this ass hole couldn't just tough it out in a hotel for a few weeks.
I'm sorry, but you just explained what is going to happen when shit hits the fan. The goverment will offer a solution to the public, and if they don't want it, off they go to the FEMA camps [cough concentration camps cough]
In the video, police are BREAKING and ENTERING homes without even knocking. They are thugs in disguise. Also, would you like to explain what "Posse Comitatus" is?
EDIT: For some reason, I'm in the quote box too.
Here is an article and videos that show this "training".
http://www.infowars.com/?p=2750
Hmmm..I love in the first video when the news comes on, they say this is anti-terrorism training. I dind't know there were terrorists in COLORADO. Oh yeah, I forgot about the blue-eyed, blonde-haired kind. You know, the ones that protest and don't agree witht he current government. It's starting RIGHT NOW.
QuoteEver think that maybe the police and fire dept. are just doing whats best for everyone?
yeah that is one side of the medal. the government has the duty to protect people.
but plz think about how far the government should be allowed to bury personal freedom for what they think is morally good.
same shit here in germany. last year we had the discussion if our military should be allowed to destroy planes that are highjacked.
i mean this is by far the worst case scenario but it pretty much sums it all up. the individual person and its freedom count a shit these days. its all about being as effective as possible. (in my example: people argue that a plane with 200 persons should be killed in order to prevent it from flying into a building with probablly more people)
freedom and equality are dialectic. the more you have of one, the less you have from the other.
facist regimes are based on equality (nazi-germany, past communistic regimes). a single person was nothing more than a means to the collective.
Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 19, 2008, 06:37 PM
How come no one is talking about this?
the military could come to your town right this second and put you all under martial law, raid your house, take everything you have, imprison or even kill you, all legally, simply under the suspicion of being a terrorist.
because most everyone want to keep blissful about things.
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ignoreance'
it could be either way...
but my prospect is, the rising tension in our nation is accusation for cause of rebellion or just plain rowdiness... they are preparing to quell the bite, if things should get out of hand. also considering the upcoming election. its basically protocal. or they (government/military) is really expecting something rather than a hypothetical measure. but marshall law sounds about right.
i do agree with Nailec about, -how much personal freedom should "one" sacrifice to what the government sees as a moral decision...
"the further they push, the further they get"
-physics
maybe "Orwellian" prophecy is on the "come-on"...
maybe this could be it...the push for "full-control"
but maybe im wrong...
however, what remains abound is that, in this day and age, you could ask yourself, "If 'they' have the power to indefininitley rule, in full control, wrought by fear mongering, and by the basic fact that in today's world technology is far advanced that the "layman" can't take up arms as they once could in defense of personal freedom, why would'nt they??
"people should not fear their government, government should fear their people"
-whoever said this (i forget)
"vice-a-versa"
-today (fact)
alright. God dammit you guys piss me off when you make me get all preachy because you're spouting nonsense. Look
Jerry curls. Those rescue workers ( there was a large group of representatives from the police and fire departments) were not breaking and entering. You have no idea what was going on there. However if you did a little bit of research instead of taking it at face value you would probably find out they were doing a public service. Maybe they were looking for disabled people who could not evacuate. Maybe looking for someone having a serious medical emergency ( IE Stroke ) who was not able to get out. Maybe a child was left to starve because their grandparent dropped dead of a heart attack with all the excitement. Maybe they were looking for stranded animals who got left behind for whatever reason. Maybe they were checking for looting or fire hazards. Either way , if they were "thugs" who were " breaking and entering " they would not have brought cameras, and so many people. I would be willing to bet that the entire purpose of the cameras was so that they could document their entry as a record of damage and the condition of the house before and upon entry. Take it easy on the rescue workers. There are no fucking concentration camps or anything like that. Calm the fuck down.
You should look up Posse Comitatus for yourself. As I am in no way an expert. But basically its the US policy for using the US military on US soil. It pretty much states that without declaring martial law, the military can't be used, period. And I happen to know that they take this very seriously.
And to the whole thing in Denver. Those videos were bull shit. Just a bunch of dudes bored out of their mind running around making speculation. Some little girl drew some pics because the helicopters scared her and that is supposed to be proof of a government conspiracy to take down denver? Ok ::) No bodys rights were being violated. The military has to train, we aren't just born with these skills. Every base has a "MOUNT town" Military Operations in Urban Terrain. Or a CQB range ( close quarters combat ) where we train for shit like this. However they are pretty much just shitty wana be buildings ( maybe two floors if you are lucky) made our of cinder blocks, and not very realistic for actual real life scenarios. So maybe the special operations command worked out a deal to get their boys better training ( as this will save their lives when the real thing happens )
Those little bullets that the dude had and didn't know what they were are called "sim rounds" pretty much our version of paint balls. They are shot through a 9mm and m4. We use them because they fucking hurt. I still have a scar on my left arm from getting shot by one over a year ago. So you dont want get shot by them. This creates real life stress when you are in an environment where you might get shot by one. So the more stressful the training the better you will react to stress in real combat. The results of stress training are pretty amazing actually. So I would imagine that they were taking that training and putting it in a real world environment to make those operators as comfortable as possible in case they ever have to enter large buildings like this. They do these kind of drills on Naval ships and oil rigs too. do you think that's because they are going to declare martial law and put everyone on the oil rig in a concentration camp? Or maybe there is a possibility that a terrorist could get control over an oil rig, US naval ship, or a sky scraper full of citizens ( think die hard ) and they just want to be prepared. Which sounds more logical?
I seriously doubt the chem lights were any attempt to practice fagging citizens. That doesn't even make sense on so many levels. First, the military barely even carries frag grenades any more. Ever seen black hawk down where the dudes are shooting grenades from their M 16? Its called a 203 40mm grenade launcher. And those grenades wont explode if you throw them. That is what almost everyone carries these days. So practicing throwing grenades would be a waste of time. Plus it would be a really ineffective and expensive way to take out people if the scenario you are describing is true. These dudes would be blasting unarmed citizens. You can only carry a couple grenades on your person. they are bulky and heavy, why not just shoot people? a 5.56 bullet is a lot cheaper than a frag grenade , and easier to transport. It just doesn't make sense. More than likely those guys in the helicopter were just really excited to get some cool training. they love their country and the citizens they serve and they knew a lot of eyes would be on them, so they threw some shit out for good showmanship. Ever seen troops in Iraq throw candy to kids? you think that's a training exercise in how to frag 5 year olds? Or just the soldiers and marines trying to feel like they did a small act of kindness? Which sounds more logical?
Look. You can think what you want about the government. that is your business. But take it easy on the guys who took an oath to protect you, police and military. I have two very good friends who are in the special forces. And believe me, neither of them would hurt a hair an American citizens head. One of them is just an ultra constitutionalist. Does not believe in the infringement of any rights, period. He tried getting down to New Orleans when Katrina happened because he was outraged that the police were taking the guns from the citizens ( 2nd amendment ) . the other is a much older wiser man. Who often shared feeling of conflict with me. He loved being a marine for the adventure and excitement. But told me that being a marine often got in the way of how he actually wanted to live his life. He is a Buddhist and has very strong feelings about taking care of the environment and he doesn't feel like being a marine allows him to live his life under those beliefs. Either one of them could have been one of the guys on those helicopters. You have to remember that those of us in the military are citizens too. We have family and friends too. And we are not mindless drones. I dont care how many movies you have seen with a young enlisted guy giving a "sir yes sir" and running off to conduct a mission without question. that is not realistic at all. That is not real world. Its fantasy. The members of the US military are middle class american citizens. do you really think we would be shouting praise at the order to oppress our own? Do you really think I would do that to you? Give me a break man. A lot of people join the military for education benefits. Others because they really believe in serving the people. And a very very small percentage just because they are crazy fuckers that want to kill. Those of us with level heads greatly out number the idiots. So rest easy man, we are here for you. Give us a break.
Quote from: Nailec on Jun 19, 2008, 10:07 PM
QuoteEver think that maybe the police and fire dept. are just doing whats best for everyone?
yeah that is one side of the medal. the government has the duty to protect people.
but plz think about how far the government should be allowed to bury personal freedom for what they think is morally good.
same shit here in germany. last year we had the discussion if our military should be allowed to destroy planes that are highjacked.
i mean this is by far the worst case scenario but it pretty much sums it all up. the individual person and its freedom count a shit these days. its all about being as effective as possible. (in my example: people argue that a plane with 200 persons should be killed in order to prevent it from flying into a building with probablly more people)
freedom and equality are dialectic. the more you have of one, the less you have from the other.
facist regimes are based on equality (nazi-germany, past communistic regimes). a single person was nothing more than a means to the collective.
you are always the voice of reason when I dont express myself enough, and I appreciate that. I actually believe in the smallest amount of government possible. I honestly dont believe in forcing people to do anything on their private property ( im sure there are exceptions to that statement ) I appreciate that you remember history and are careful to warn us of mistakes from the past. I was simply trying to get across that the intentions of those workers was unknown. But chances are that they were honest and good. We didn't see what started the dispute between that citizen and the police officer. but that guy could have just got caught taking a shit in his neighbors pool or something. Who knows. I have worked as a EMT before I joined the navy, and obviously as a member of the US military. I have always seen such good intentions in the people I work with. I dont understand how people are so quick to negatively judge us.
But like I said, the smallest amount of government possible.
a puddle that a bum just pee'd in > our government
I would ask you a way to map out a plan to make our government better. But I would imagine the only answer I would receive is "legalize it" so I wont even bother.
Quote from: Variable on Jun 20, 2008, 02:45 PM
I would ask you a way to map out a plan to make our government better. But I would imagine the only answer I would receive is "legalize it" so I wont even bother.
instead of spending over $12 billion dollars a month on the war.. they can let not one person starve on the entire planet.. our own country has people starving.. but lets keep putting that 12 billion into the war effort..
oh and that same government made you guys nazis. not soldiers.
oh yeah. and legalize it
so now I am a nazi?
i said that to add more power to my post
but u told me to come up with a plan that would better the government. and i came up with one
spend that 12 billion dollars on people who really need it
i wonder why we are in an economic crisis though. its shocking. our government only spent over a trillion dollars on the war.. thats not me just joking around either. thats a fact. over one TRILLION dollars on the war.. but i really have no idea why our economy is in recession
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 20, 2008, 04:27 PM
i said that to add more power to my post
but u told me to come up with a plan that would better the government. and i came up with one
spend that 12 billion dollars on people who really need it
i wonder why we are in an economic crisis though. its shocking. our government only spent over a trillion dollars on the war.. thats not me just joking around either. thats a fact. over one TRILLION dollars on the war.. but i really have no idea why our economy is in recession
seems to me that your morality has a pretty limited reach. i dont wanna say youre a nationalist because im pretty much sure you just not made your point clear enough. but the thought, that the government should just spent money for inner conflicts is moraly pretty weak to my ears.
i also know that probablly the us wars arent only fought in order to free other people. if so, they would fight a lot more wars since there are dictatorships etc. everywhere.
also i am not sure if we two have the knowledge to judge that some more money would save a whole economy. i mean im pretty sure no one in the would is able to tell us every possible consequence of a economic action. if someone could, there would be no crisis.
often enough im also like "wtf" when i here where our taxes go (last weak i heard about the euro fighter pilots training a nuclear bomb-drop)
read my first post
i said we should spend the money for anyone in need on the PLANET. not just the usa. i gave starving people in our own country as an example..
another example for variable on what the government could do to better itself. is help change the schooling systems..
vote for pedro
lolz @ SL idiots, nothing new
yawn
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 20, 2008, 04:27 PM
i said that to add more power to my post
but u told me to come up with a plan that would better the government. and i came up with one
spend that 12 billion dollars on people who really need it
i wonder why we are in an economic crisis though. its shocking. our government only spent over a trillion dollars on the war.. thats not me just joking around either. thats a fact. over one TRILLION dollars on the war.. but i really have no idea why our economy is in recession
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 20, 2008, 05:00 PM
read my first post
i said we should spend the money for anyone in need on the PLANET. not just the usa. i gave starving people in our own country as an example..
another example for variable on what the government could do to better itself. is help change the schooling systems..
So you said something, that you do not really believe to be true just to add some sort of lame shock value on a post? Ok. Believe it or not, that did not make you sound intelligent at all.
And I told you to map out a plan. Not make general statements. give me the logistics. how is this going to happen? Pretend that you are president and I am the secretary of state and you decided that in July 2008 you are going to spend an additional 12 billion ( as we already give out shit loads ) in foreign aid. Give me the orders chief so that I can make this happen. How will we distribute the money? will it be in the form of money or food, medicine, clothes, water? what will it be? how will we make sure it gets to the people and not the corrupt leaders who are allowing their citizens to rot? How do we decide what is a fair distribution? IE a starving grown man in Ethiopia VS a starving child in South America? How will we transport our aid? Surly not with the Nazi Navy of our government? What is the Risk VS benefit factor of putting our citizens in harms way to feed the world? Will you step up and go into harms way to deliver this aid to these people since you feel so strongly about it? Where will we purchase all of this food from? Will it meet all cultural and ethnic criteria ( IE The Dietary laws of muslim countries ) ..............how exactly is this going to happen?
same with "fixing" the education system. how are we going to do that? Map out your brilliant plan. dont be a politician promising change here and change there , change you can believe in. then give no fucking explanation for what or how anything will change. I dont give a shit if war and world hunger worry you. I want to know how you are going to fix it. And if you dont know, then shut your fucking mouth.
here is an idea. If it really matters to you, that people are starving in america. Go find one. just one, and adopt them. Dont throw money at them or buy them cheeseburgers. Help them. The whole "give a man a fish........Teach a man to fish" bit. It has been proven time and time again that poverty has nothing to do with a financial or economic status. it is a mind set. A mind set of, I have nothing in life therefore when I do get something I have to use it as quick as possible before I lose it. You could spend 12 billion on helping these people one month, and they would be starving again the next. If you went and found one person and took them under your wing and helped them get on their feet and taught them how to save and be financially responsible. You would do more than that 12 billion would. And it would only take a couple hundred of thousand people in america to do this. but people are lazy. The government should do it this and the government should do it that. Mean while you sleep 14 hours a day, are high for the entire time you are awake. And spend more money on video games than you do helping you community. At least those of us in this evil government are doing what we believe in. Wether you agree or not. I believe in the war on terror, so I went and put my boots on the ground and fought it, probably will again very soon. You are just a shit talking fool who cant back up a word of what he says. But hey , at least you added power to your post by calling me a nazi ::)
from the 5 or 6 sentences i read out of that. i agreed with what you said. its easy to sit around and say how everything can be changed. but at the same time there is not nearly enough effort or emphasis on anything anymore
ill give you an example that we can both understand
we ( in america ) basically live our lives like we aren't a country at war. the only people it affects are those with family members who friends who are serving . everyone else is living day to day the exact same way. its a shame too.
all im saying is its like our government wants people to forget almost. that we are at war.. most of the news channels are a joke. talking about britney spears. or who can hold there breath under water the longest
i honestly feel like the end of the world is coming.
this thread in itself is scary.. the idea of a modern day doomsday
all im saying. is that bush initial intention to go to war was to get the weapons of mass destruction. its like the whole thing was bullshit from the start..
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 21, 2008, 04:08 AM
this thread in itself is scary.. the idea of a modern day doomsday
all im saying. is that bush initial intention to go to war was to get the weapons of mass destruction. its like the whole thing was bullshit from the start..
well yeah
i still cant believe i called our soldiers nazis. im sorry man... haha
nazi officer uniforms were the shit.. i love world war II history. its always been my favorite era
Who reads any of this shit that people post?
tl;dr
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 21, 2008, 04:06 AM
from the 5 or 6 sentences i read out of that. i agreed with what you said. its easy to sit around and say how everything can be changed. but at the same time there is not nearly enough effort or emphasis on anything anymore
ill give you an example that we can both understand
we ( in america ) basically live our lives like we aren't a country at war. the only people it affects are those with family members who friends who are serving . everyone else is living day to day the exact same way. its a shame too.
all im saying is its like our government wants people to forget almost. that we are at war.. most of the news channels are a joke. talking about britney spears. or who can hold there breath under water the longest
i honestly feel like the end of the world is coming.
you should try reading more. Reading is how you become educated and actually know what you are talking about.
You're right. Our country is not at war. Our military is. I quoted that from an article I read in the "quote of the day" topic. With that being true. It baffles me that people feel so strongly about pulling out. Their total lack of regard for victory and mission accomplishment would make you think they had cross hairs on their foreheads every day. But to those of us who actually go and do the job. Victory is important. I dont really care how justified or unjustified our original reasons for going to Iraq was. The fact of the matter is that we took that step, and now we need to finish it and do it properly. The world could remember this as a huge act of tyranny when one US president declared war on another country for his personal gain. Or the world could remember this as the event that started the movement of democracy in the middle east. Which would you rather have? I wish people would stop worrying about the past and start worrying about the future. Hang Bush out to dry AFTER we have secured our position in the world.
and yes, Nazi military uniforms were the shit.
But the thing is, it never end. We STAY there. Spending money on keeping our military/navy/army in other countries. Why do they have to stay there if problem is "resolved". It never gets resolved. Why are we still in Korea. Or Japan? Do they have their military here? IF we don't bring them the troops back to protect THIS country and not others, then we will be more safe. Yet, the country's protection will be taken advantage of by the government/FEMA/blackwater army/THUGS. We have let OUR rights go to shit while we try and give other countries our rights. WTF. They need to figure their own shit out. Bring the troops home and the money stays home.
ok smart kid. Japan does not have its military in the US because Japan has no military. Part of the surrender from WW2. So we agreed to re build japan ( which we did a very good job of ) and keep our military here for the countries protection.
In a very closely related matter we are still in South Korea because North Korea is still a very unstable dictatorship. We helped South Korea retain its independence from communist china and north Korea and we swore to see it through. And we have. The south Koreans are not in the US because they have enough problems right there on their northern borders. We are already there to help them because they do not have sufficient troops, so how would it make any sense for them to move troops to America?
Also the forces on Okinawa are here in case something pops off with North Korea. Every year the plan is revised for if North Korea tries to go back into South Korea. We just have some troops in Guam, Okinawa, Main land Japan, and South Korea because we listened real good when our moms told us not to put all of our eggs in one basket. And its not like either of these places are combat zones. So calm down. If Iraq resembles these countries in 40 years, our presence there will have been a HUGE success.
so there's the first sign that you have no idea what you are talking about.
the 2nd is that you called issues in Iraq "resolved" things are far from stable in Iraq. I know americans are used to a fast food lifestyle where they get everything right when they want it. But believe it or not you cant take a culture of tyranny and corruption and turn it into a peaceful democracy over night. It takes a lot of time. And anyone who actually is paying attention would know that huge progress has been made in that direction. but issues in Iraq are still not "resolved."
The third sign that you have no idea what you are talking about would be the rest of that incoherent rant. I hardly see how the "government" ( a hugely broad term ) "FEMA" ( part of that huge broad term you already used) and "blackwater" ( seriously, WTF are you talking about?) are taking advantage of our "protection" but maybe you can elaborate.
And there was a point in time when we "figure their own shit out" Then Saddam invaded Kuait. And then repeatedly violated UN resolutions made upon his surrender. Everything from there on is your own opinion, but that much remains fact.
Afghanistan was also left alone to "figure their own shit out" then the Taliban allowed Bin Laden to plan the 911 attacks and be a safe haven for terrorist. Believe me, the country is much better off today.
Fuck, you type heaps.
variable is right.. most people dont know what they are talking about as far as the war goes
but most people arent for the idea of killing or taking over. to spread peace
war is never an answer if u ask me.. unless u absolutely have too. and our country didnt have to go to war except to help during world war II.. besides that. it seems like we have went to war. just to go to war
the planet is really backwards.. thats the point everyone is trying to make variable
and there seems to be no solution to all this chaos in sight
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 22, 2008, 07:27 PM
variable is right.. most people dont know what they are talking about as far as the war goes
but most people arent for the idea of killing or taking over. to spread peace
war is never an answer if u ask me.. unless u absolutely have too. and our country didnt have to go to war except to help during world war II.. besides that. it seems like we have went to war. just to go to war
the planet is really backwards.. thats the point everyone is trying to make variable
and there seems to be no solution to all this chaos in sight
I understand a lot of those things. I too think we entered the war in Iraq was too quickly. I think the war in Afghanistan was a good and necessary response. And I also dont believe for one second that we are "taking over" to spread peace. But obviously we are shedding some blood.
I think other wars in American history where "necessary" besides WW2. But we dont need to get into that now.
I agree that a lot of things in the planet seem backwards. The world will probably always be backwards to some extent. But as far as a solution to chaos goes. We might as well stay and get the job done right. Allot the people of Iraq and Afghanistan the same rights that we all hold to be self evident. Give them the opportunity to have the same level of police and military security that we do. It seems more backwards to me that we would turn our backs on these people and let them live in the midst of tyranny and misery while we all live in opulence and freedom. The French helped us gain our Independence, why shouldn't we help others gain theirs?
Quote from: indychinoluv on Jun 22, 2008, 07:23 PM
Fuck, you type heaps.
well yeah, at the beginning of my rant I stated that I hate when people make me get all preachy because of their nonsense.
im in taiwan right now. these people are so tender and beautiful and poor. makes me wonder how america breeds assholes so well...
just a thought, no pun intended
Trey, you are "teh shit" in this thread.. As a fellow man who has been in the army, I appreciate you, you're out there away from home in the fucking war. I give you shit fucking loads of respect from that. Peace.
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 22, 2008, 11:57 PM
im in taiwan right now. these people are so tender and beautiful and poor. makes me wonder how america breeds assholes so well...
Say hi to the ladies there for me....
And be sure to check out a club called Luxy, it kicks major ass.... ;)
Quote from: tarkil on Jun 23, 2008, 07:03 AM
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 22, 2008, 11:57 PM
im in taiwan right now. these people are so tender and beautiful and poor. makes me wonder how america breeds assholes so well...
Say hi to the ladies there for me....
And be sure to check out a club called Luxy, it kicks major ass.... ;)
where is it in taiwan?
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 23, 2008, 07:37 AM
Quote from: tarkil on Jun 23, 2008, 07:03 AM
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 22, 2008, 11:57 PM
im in taiwan right now. these people are so tender and beautiful and poor. makes me wonder how america breeds assholes so well...
Say hi to the ladies there for me....
And be sure to check out a club called Luxy, it kicks major ass.... ;)
where is it in taiwan?
Taipei
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FLVggYm7d9g
yup. The "government" ( once again, way too broad of a term ) orchestrated this elaborate plan to make us all beg for martial law by complex conspiracies and the killings of thousands of American citizens and the destruction of billions of dollars worth of property. However some stoner with a camcorder uncovered it all and made a web site. But I guess the "government" got sick of killing and cover ups? Because it seems that if any of this was true. The videos you keep posting would never make it past upload, and these guys would be dead and erased. But yeah, your theory sounds more logical.
oh and dude, its Idaho. these are the same people who have been coming up with conspiracy theories about "them dam niggers trying to take over america" for the past 100 years. I wouldn't rush to jump on that band wagon.
and way to not respond to any of the actual facts I have been spewing at you at a cyclic rate. Just keep posting videos of Rhetoric and Propaganda.
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 22, 2008, 11:57 PM
im in taiwan right now. these people are so tender and beautiful and poor. makes me wonder how america breeds assholes so well...
just a thought, no pun intended
they just want your money
Quote from: cyppe101 on Jun 23, 2008, 12:39 AM
Trey, you are "teh shit" in this thread.. As a fellow man who has been in the army, I appreciate you, you're out there away from home in the fucking war. I give you shit fucking loads of respect from that. Peace.
thank you sir
they actually dont even steel here... i guess its a cultural thing, like my friend joe who teaches english out here said even if people find money laying on the ground, they will walk by it or pick it up and give it to the temple. its why some of these people are exploited so fervently, because they are so nice, they are naive and submissive, always very apologetic too
variable is officially the most stupid and ignorant person I've ever read. just so you know, alot of those videos from colorado Were, taken off of youtube when they were first posted, along with videos about the govt putting cancer causing agents and mercury into the vaccines we take, the food we eat and the water we drink.
And for fireal, the reason we are spending so much money on war and going further into recession is because there is actually profit being made from this war. A whole fucking lot of profit. but it isnt going back to the people that pay for it, its going into the pockets of those making the calls.
Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 23, 2008, 07:52 PM
variable is officially the most stupid and ignorant person I've ever read. just so you know, alot of those videos from colorado Were, taken off of youtube when they were first posted, along with videos about the govt putting cancer causing agents and mercury into the vaccines we take, the food we eat and the water we drink.
And for fireal, the reason we are spending so much money on war and going further into recession is because there is actually profit being made from this war. A whole fucking lot of profit. but it isnt going back to the people that pay for it, its going into the pockets of those making the calls.
Facts. Back up your accusations with Facts.
I will help you out with one though. As far as your last statement goes. KBR. They make me sick. They are owned by halliburton and they run everything in Iraq and Afghanistan. The chow halls, laundry serviced, cleaning services, electricians....everything. And they rob us blind. It cost $30 for me. Just me, to eat 1 meal at a KBR chow hall. One meal. And of course that wasn't coming out of my pocket, its all part of that money fireal was talking about.
Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 23, 2008, 07:52 PM
variable is officially the most stupid and ignorant person I've ever read. just so you know, alot of those videos from colorado Were, taken off of youtube when they were first posted, along with videos about the govt putting cancer causing agents and mercury into the vaccines we take, the food we eat and the water we drink.
2 men-e dr00gz
exactly. the whole point of drugs and pharmaceuticals is to dumb us all down to a controllable subhuman species and you know what? It's worked absolutely fucking perfect so far and the worst part about it is we've all just sat here and allowed ourselves to get sucked into the media matrix of tv, ipods, movies and internet.
2 months buddy, 2 months at the most. There is such a thing as too late.
Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 23, 2008, 07:52 PM
variable is officially the most stupid and ignorant person I've ever read. just so you know, alot of those videos from colorado Were, taken off of youtube when they were first posted, along with videos about the govt putting cancer causing agents and mercury into the vaccines we take, the food we eat and the water we drink.
Why would the government put things that will kill us into our food if they make fucking shit butts of money off the purchasing of said foods?
Because we buy it, its cheap, its genetically modiefied, and its accessible. They will have our body decayed as far as hey want them to be, then they will easily control us in the FEMA camps and dispose of us.
woah the coming out of the antisemits here.
would you shut up with that antisemit crap? i dont give a fuck if your a jew, muslim, black, mexican, or a fucking alien. The government doesnt either, as long as your human. If you're saying this because the situation sounds almost identical to the holocaust, then you're right to believe that. Its just not on jews this time, its on humans in general. They want to implement the RFID, they want to transfer all paper money to digital accounts containing all your personal info, THEY ARE TRYING TO CONTROL YOU. The US government is to be controlled by the people, not the other way around. the constituion lists only a few things the govt can do and a ton of things they can't do, and you know what? they've broken almost every rule on the list and no one fucking cares anymore because we've been raised to BE SO FUCKING STUPID WE THINK US IS A SOVEREIGN NATION! ITS FUCKING BULLSHIT. DON'T LET THEM TREAT US LIKE THIS ANYMORE.
fuck it., i dont want kids anyway.
Jerry Curls is pretty much right though.
and that is exactly a pretty modern form of antisemitism.
you mix up antiamericanism, anticapitalism and the world conspiracy with antisemitic arguments.
even if you dont think the jews are the conspiracy. it makes no difference.
this is what is meant with latent antisemitism. its not consicious. its a concept in your mind. you cant show it directly against jews because you know it wouldn be tolerated. though it can be read in your words.
ok, ill put it this way:
if jews are responsible for the eugenics and population control programs, if they are in charge of the oil corporations, of the fbi, the funding of both sides of war, of keeping people under constant forms of control and surveillance, then im indeed the biggest antisemit you've ever heard from.
but they arent.
lol jesus right when I thought this thread couldn't get any worse.
Ok so "the government" is out to get us? Oh shit, now im scared. Lets see "the government" We have three branches of "the government" The Expectative branch, Legislative branch, and the judicial branch. I believe "checks and balances" are our forefathers reasonings for making these three branches. So that no one branch may become too powerful. Also General George Washington only served as president for 8 years. In his wisdom he knew that if one man stood in that seat for too long, that corruption was inevitable. So he put the action forward so that no man could gain that much power over the american people.
But "the government" is trying to control us. Hmmm ok, so I guess since the US Post Office is part of "the government" that means that all postal workers aren't really delivering mail, they are spying on us to make sure we aren't growing our own good food in our back yards. The Department of Energy aren't really trying to keep the lights on and make sure our nations nuclear programs are safe. They are secretly just spreading radiating through the cities and states that they and their children live in. The Bureau of Indian Affairs isnt really trying to take care of Americas natives. They are secretly stashing mercury and poison on the reservations so that they make help "the government" which they are a part of, control the world muhahahahahahaha. The government is huge, you cant just say "the government" And do you really think that all the people in "the government" are evil and out to get you? do you really think that if any of this were true that their would not be a shit ton of whistle blowers? Do you really think that if our food was as bad as you say, doctors all over the world would not recognize this and uncover it very quickly? do you even know the signs and symptoms of Mercury poisoning? Of course not. Because then you would know that If we really were consuming this mercury even in low doses, it would build up in no time and we would ALL be very sick.
Heres a question for you to ponder. If all of this you say is true about the poisoning of our bodies to keep us weak. Why is it that life expectancy in the US ( and the rest of the 1st world ) is the highest it has ever been? If we are so weak, why are Olympic Athletes still setting new records? Wouldn't we all become slower and less capable? Even Athletes in Professional Leagues that Have record books dating back decades are still bashing records. Why is it that Organic farming is at an all time high? There is no proof of your accusations at all. Not even a shred of evidence. If it were true, it would be very apparent by looking at the declining health of US citizens. If you yourself are feeling weak and poisoned. Its probably because you stay cooped up in your house with the blinds closed watching movies about "the government" that is out to get you. That causes a vitamin D deficiency you know.
Another question. What would a said "government" have to gain off our throwing all of us into camps? The economy of America would go to shit and they would no longer have any money. No longer any way to form police forces and a military. Do you really think the members of the Armed forces would just sit back and imprison their parents , siblings, and children just because "the government" told them to? Plus we still have the right to bear arms in this country. A right given to us by our Forefathers just for the occasion that you all speak of.
Nothing you guys are saying makes any logical sense at all. Sorry your life sucks so bad that you have to live this fantasy out to stay entertained. But hey, in two months, if nothing happens. Will you promise to shut the fuck up about this forever?
Quote from: Nailec on Jun 25, 2008, 05:08 PM
and that is exactly a pretty modern form of antisemitism.
you mix up antiamericanism, anticapitalism and the world conspiracy with antisemitic arguments.
even if you dont think the jews are the conspiracy. it makes no difference.
this is what is meant with latent antisemitism. its not consicious. its a concept in your mind. you cant show it directly against jews because you know it wouldn be tolerated. though it can be read in your words.
i mean seriously, are you serious??
dude you really cant compare one religious belief/ moral fraternity to social stratifications and implements of structural society mechanicms, like government, and social amendments/creeds like "nationalism"... no trying to be an ass, but i mean, really....
Quote from: Variable on Jun 26, 2008, 12:54 AM
lol jesus right when I thought this thread couldn't get any worse.
Ok so "the government" is out to get us? Oh shit, now im scared. Lets see "the government" We have three branches of "the government" ...
Fine then. Not the government, but the NEW WORLD ORDER. Yes I said it. It's Zionists, The Illuminati, the Freemasons [not just regular freemasons that are your neighbors, but the ones who worship satan], etc. A lot of these people are in THE GOVERNMENT. So when we say the goverbnment , we mean THEM.
Do you know about the Bilderberg group? It's a group of the WORLD's richest, most elite, scientists, royal family, and many other. They just recently had their annual meeting at a "secret" [not so secret because some people actually found out where it was] hotel/hall where they have "an open discussion about the current state of the world" behind closed doors. My ass they did. They plan and implement what they discuss in this meeting. And you know who was there? Hilary and Obama.Many other "important" people attended, some high profile shit yet the mainstream media DID NOT cover this at all. Not one freaking blurp of IMPORTANT people from around the world meeting in one room behind closed doors, yet no coverage of what happened and what was discussed? Why not? Hmmm....
I'll answer your other questions in a bit. Time to eat.
hmmm. Seems like a lot of organizations that would be rivaling for world dominance.
and there is still the issue that if these people only hold some positions in the government. what happens to checks and ballances? Surly not EVERYONE in the federal government is in on this.
Also, where is your proof of this meeting? And where is your proof of what they were speaking about? Or did you also just listen to yet another rumor and take it as true?
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 26, 2008, 03:20 AM
They plan and implement what they discuss in this meeting. And you know who was there? Hilary and Obama
hmmmm, what else have you had to say about obama?
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 06, 2008, 04:51 AM
Fuck experience. Fuck all these people holding onto old beliefs. Those people are OLD and don't have anything new to bring to this country. We need a new direction for the country, someone to mix things up, be different. Like Obama, he talks about the issues as how they are. He knows whats up, not like some guy named Bush who has always had a hidden agenda and could have cared less about changing this country for the better. Too bad if Obama wins, he'll get assasinated because people can't stand to have a new voice speak up.
seems like you are a bit confused.
Jerry curls: lolz
I dont know if I should laugh or be terrified that people actually believe this shit.
Quote from: Variable on Jun 26, 2008, 04:00 AM
hmmm. Seems like a lot of organizations that would be rivaling for world dominance.
and there is still the issue that if these people only hold some positions in the government. what happens to checks and ballances? Surly not EVERYONE in the federal government is in on this.
Also, where is your proof of this meeting? And where is your proof of what they were speaking about? Or did you also just listen to yet another rumor and take it as true?
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 26, 2008, 03:20 AM
They plan and implement what they discuss in this meeting. And you know who was there? Hilary and Obama
hmmmm, what else have you had to say about obama?Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 06, 2008, 04:51 AM
Fuck experience. Fuck all these people holding onto old beliefs. Those people are OLD and don't have anything new to bring to this country. We need a new direction for the country, someone to mix things up, be different. Like Obama, he talks about the issues as how they are. He knows whats up, not like some guy named Bush who has always had a hidden agenda and could have cared less about changing this country for the better. Too bad if Obama wins, he'll get assasinated because people can't stand to have a new voice speak up.
seems like you are a bit confused.
Whats funny is that I'm not even reporting on some made up rumor. It's a true fact that this meeting exists. It's just that they don't want the public to even care about it, so it is never mentioned in ANY mainstream media[MSM] outlets on TV, newspapers, blogs, etc. Here is some info:
History Channel [disnfo history] talked about the Bilderbergs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXqj9epGEas
The week before the meeting earlier this month, Clinton dropped out. Then, a week later [around thursday I think], people found out that her and Obama were going to meet up. Not at her house, but in Virginia, hmmm...And then that weekend The Bilderberg meeting took place in Virginia for 2-3 days without any coverage.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-qGLDs-gAnZiUXD2NU51ry3j3dwD914B1O00
[this article doesn't mention Bilderberg, but its made to look like they were going to meet to talk about joining forces and helping each other out, blah blah blah, but in reality, they were just going to both meet up at this meeting to discuss what exactly their roles were going to be after this meeting]
Good article on the non-coverage of this meeting:
http://www.slate.com/id/2193220/
http://www.nolanchart.com/article3995.html
Some guys actually cared to let these elitests know that they cant always be kept secret, so they held rallys outside the conference:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/070608Day2.htm
And regarding your 2nd thing....That opinion of his is still valid to me. Yes, we need someone to make the image of America look different. We aren't progressive [lame that it isn't the norm here] in the eyes of other people from around the world. I just recently realized that he's a cronie for the hidden hand and I could care less if he or McCain wins. They're one in the same.
Notice the date of when I posed that. That was about the day I learned about the Bildeberg meeting coming up, or I think I found out the next day. Then my opinion about what he stands for had changed.
Quote from: Variable on Jun 19, 2008, 09:26 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 19, 2008, 08:46 PM
And its happening in Florida as well. Have you seen videos of the way the "cops" have been treating the people in Iowa? People just want to go to their homes and the police are arresting people if they try to go back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONAudPPhum8
What happened to the 4th amendment? Will this be happening in YOUR city when a "disaster" happens?
I have no idea how the two of you dont see this as fear mongering. There is perfectly logical reasoning in both situations and you guys are just making it shit that it is not.
I know this article this isn't regarding the response [but then I think it does in my statements after the link haha] to my comment, but looks who does the ultimate fear mongering. I'm just trying to get people aware, to question what is being told to them.
http://infowars.net/articles/june2008/250608blonde.htm
FOX and ABC are starting to get people accustomed to the fact that their neighbor could be a terrorist. So everyone will start to be on the lookout for strange behaviour. They will report them [someone who has interest in animal rights, protesting against ideas they don't agree with, rascists, illegal immigrants, etc etc] thinking they have dont the right thing and thats when it all starts...
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 26, 2008, 01:16 AM
Quote from: Nailec on Jun 25, 2008, 05:08 PM
and that is exactly a pretty modern form of antisemitism.
you mix up antiamericanism, anticapitalism and the world conspiracy with antisemitic arguments.
even if you dont think the jews are the conspiracy. it makes no difference.
this is what is meant with latent antisemitism. its not consicious. its a concept in your mind. you cant show it directly against jews because you know it wouldn be tolerated. though it can be read in your words.
i mean seriously, are you serious??
dude you really cant compare one religious belief/ moral fraternity to social stratifications and implements of structural society mechanicms, like government, and social amendments/creeds like "nationalism"... no trying to be an ass, but i mean, really....
my english isnt good enough to understand your point.
Quote from: Nailec on Jun 26, 2008, 06:25 AM
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 26, 2008, 01:16 AM
Quote from: Nailec on Jun 25, 2008, 05:08 PM
and that is exactly a pretty modern form of antisemitism.
you mix up antiamericanism, anticapitalism and the world conspiracy with antisemitic arguments.
even if you dont think the jews are the conspiracy. it makes no difference.
this is what is meant with latent antisemitism. its not consicious. its a concept in your mind. you cant show it directly against jews because you know it wouldn be tolerated. though it can be read in your words.
i mean seriously, are you serious??
dude you really cant compare one religious belief/ moral fraternity to social stratifications and implements of structural society mechanicms, like government, and social amendments/creeds like "nationalism"... no trying to be an ass, but i mean, really....
my english isnt good enough to understand your point.
i fully understand what you said,
in layman's terms;
you cannot compare "Antisemitism" = which is a prejudice/hatred towards that specific religion (meaning the jews).
in comparison to "Nationalism" and "Americanism" = a social and cultural belief of (specifically government and nationhood) of a region (America) which is not even inherent to the jewish people.
why??
because like "oldnewtype" ( i believe it was him....) stated, "unless the jewish people control 'EVERYTHING' within a nation-(and as you specifically stated, 'America' being that nation. And figuring it is the topic of discussion)--your statement "cannot" make rational sense because this is not the situation (that of the jews being the oppressed by the statement "oldnewtype" made)
i hope you understand it better,
but if you were to "just" say that the statement he made was "anti-nationalist" -this can be confirmed better.
why?
because what he said was a direct opposition to the nation under question (which is America)
basically the jews (as a group of people) have nothing to do with what the discussion is concerned with
"anti-semitism" is a racial hatred
"anti-nationlism" is a national hatred
"anti-capitalism" is a hatred of capitalism
i just dont know where the jews came into this.....??
Quoteyour statement "cannot" make rational sense because this is not the situation (that of the jews being the oppressed by the statement "oldnewtype" made)
i don have too much time so i try toreconstruct my argument again.
oldnewtype assumes a mighty ruler that is opressing us.
i could call his thesis simply a conspiracy theory, but i also call it an antisemitic one.
not because the jews are the victims of the conspiracy but because the jews are the conspiracy in the mind of oldnewtype.
this is not a direct antisemitism coz oldnewtype never ever mentioned jews anywhere in his position. he doesnt say we have to revolte against the jewish governemnt and the jewish world conspiracy or anything.
but to my eyes this is latent antisemitism. i dont know if this theory or idea is known in america or if it is a european or perhaps german only theory.
a few thoughts on that latent antisemitism:
-this antisemitist assumes that the capitalism is a controlled system (in a political and economic way) (controlled by mighty people)
-to my eyes, capitalism is inherent to everyone of us. we grew up in a society where we have to struggle in order to achieve anything. the whole market is a result of every participant. its not the result of a few bosses. (this also might be a reason, why all communist governments failed. the capitalistic thought was still prevailing in all of them.
- i am not sure about the point if this capitalistic idea is a result of the capitalism or if every human is born with the idea to be better than the other.
in so far the argumentation of oldnewtype and jerry curles is in the tradition of direct antisemitism without being direct. but if this empty argument has to be filled with some concreta, conspiracy theories would fill it with the jews first. its just a long and regular tradition.
Quote"anti-semitism" is a racial hatred
i hope with my statment i corrected this sentence.
also: antisemitism is not equal to racism.
its a form of racial hate, yes. but there are other reasons people hate jews in comparision to why people hate other "races"
and these reasons can be seen in conspiracy theories. whil the racist thinks that blacks etc. are inferior to him, the antisemitist actually thinks that jews are mightier than him.
your country has thought way too far into this theory, or rather sociological philosophy.
it seems your people may be finding the vaccine in the poison.
"antisemitism" is still a racial hatred, and only that last time i checked, im not trying to be an ass but it just comes off real bad when you tell someone that "they're are being antisemitic" when you speak this it chimes of racial hatred not take the place of an officiating body of government.
people just may take it really wrong (as oldnewtype disposed).
its just like me telling someone who dislikes religion, "they are a supporter of genocide"
ok even if i wont call them antisemitists anymore.
there argumentation stays the same.
in so far. my accusation of antisemitism does not lie in the content but in the structure of the argument.
plz critisize capitalism. but plz do it without those arguments. capitalism isnt that easy.
ive seen how it works....
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/phlegum/IWW-capitalism-pyr.gif)
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc205/phlegum/159.jpg)
wow, you can pretty much divide this thread up into two groups: those who have eaten wayy too much acid, and those who haven't.
Meaning those who still have a functional brain ( obviously me ) and those who let their brain shit the can ( obviously jerrycurls and oldnewtype )
yeah well you still fuck goats and chill with dune coons all day
no no. Im back in the land of the orient. With whatever stereo types that comes with.
Bukakke.
sweet
lol, don't forget diets consisting of rats and dogs
mmmm yes, give me more
ummmmmm hentai?
when did you get back there? i've been like gone and stuff
hells yeah you have. I got back in mid april. then I went to the states for 30 days. Now im back
did you get mad pussy in those 30 days?
I want to know how much he gets in Okinawa, if any. It'd be funny if I could say I have had sex more times in the past week than he has since he has been in Okinawa.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jun 27, 2008, 05:34 AM
did you get mad pussy in those 30 days?
yes sir, I got my fair share. I have to be a total whore on leave. Its my only chance to get any.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 27, 2008, 05:42 AM
I want to know how much he gets in Okinawa, if any. It'd be funny if I could say I have had sex more times in the past week than he has since he has been in Okinawa.
dont get cocky young man. Brad Pitt would have a hard time getting laid on Oki. It is the worlds largest cock fest. I dont get any on oki.
Quote from: Variable on Jun 27, 2008, 05:51 AM
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jun 27, 2008, 05:34 AM
did you get mad pussy in those 30 days?
yes sir, I got my fair share. I have to be a total whore on leave. Its my only chance to get any.Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jun 27, 2008, 05:42 AM
I want to know how much he gets in Okinawa, if any. It'd be funny if I could say I have had sex more times in the past week than he has since he has been in Okinawa.
dont get cocky young man. Brad Pitt would have a hard time getting laid on Oki. It is the worlds largest cock fest. I dont get any on oki.
However, since you asked. I actually have a date Sunday. Not only my first date on oki. But my first date in almost two years ( since I came to oki in October 06) so im happy.
haha so by total whore you mean using the line "hey, baby, i'm in the army, wanna touch my gun?" as much as possible?
You know im most places the whole "yeah I just got back from a combat zone, now its your turn to serve me" doesn't work. Because usually I am around places with marine or navy bases so every fucking moron around uses that line true or not., and the girls have all heard it 100 times before. so us smarter men grow our hair out so that we dont look like we are in the military and we just make up ridiculous stories about being Olympic volleyball instructors or scuba dolphin rescue or something totally ridiculous. And chicks totally buy it, without even questioning it. Its stupid easy.
However, in my hometown of Albuquerque, NM. girls are not used to meeting a combat vet, so that works. Although it was usually my friends who told them. Believe it or not talking about my experiences at war isn't really what I want to do when I am just trying to catch up with some old friends and relax on a Friday night. And I especially dont wana talk to some half naked ho that I just met about it. So I try to stay clear of the military pick up lines all together.
one time i kissed this girl by lying to her about myself and it was totally awesome
ha yeah ill bet you said, "Im not a pussy, I swear" then after 30 seconds of kissing she realized you were full of shit and left before you could get some.
that was the greatest, most inventive come back i have ever heard
fail.
What a way to hijacj a thread to forget about whats really important. Apparently, having sex and lots of it is more important than your rights.
Seriously man. What liberties do you not possess? What do you want to do so bad in life that you are not allowed to do? In what way are you personally being oppressed?
I have my liberties, thank you. There is something called the bill of rights that men greater than I could ever hope to be made after the long interpretation and digestion of logic and philosophy. And there is not a single one of those that is being infringed on in my life.
So yeah, I believe that it is important to enjoy life. not sit around and come up with ridiculous excuses for why you weren't born rich or why you are unhappy. go out and get happy, stop dwelling in this bull shit. Alvarez and I hadn't talked for a while. so we did what happy people do and did a quick catch up. Him and I both enjoy having sex with women more than we do worrying about some feeble old man trying to take over our lives. So we made quick mention of it. You should try relaxing a bit yourself.
But its ok, back to the insanity. Theres a question at the top of this post for you.
I just wanna DANCE!
I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE. Not saying I can't do anything now, but everything is just all falling into place and I just want people to be aware.
I love how you're realy out to disprove me and make me look like an idiot, but I'm not trying to make YOU look like a dumbass. I want you on our side to help us because you're already on their side, protecting their royalties, not ours. From the posts you make, you seem like a really intelligent guy who would be able to see through their bullshit. But you know what..I guess you're right. You're always right. Never wrong. I'm gonna go back to sleep and pretend none of this happening.I'll see you when you're busting through my doors without my permission. peace.
thats all i want to do is inform people because thats the only thing you can do when you learn 90% of what you enjoy was established to keep you docile. When you learn that because of these people, you are not the person natural order intended you to be. Theres probably nothing any of us can do to stop it, because people do_not_care, but goddamnit if I'm going down I'm doing it fighting and kicking and screaming. Theyd much rather die drunk watching tv or dancing in the club rather than standing up and realizing that in this realm they are an individual.
If you are smart, intelligent, and inquisitive, you do not fit into society today. The only light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 27, 2008, 02:26 PM
I just wanna DANCE!
I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE. Not saying I can't do anything now, but everything is just all falling into place and I just want people to be aware.
I love how you're realy out to disprove me and make me look like an idiot, but I'm not trying to make YOU look like a dumbass. I want you on our side to help us because you're already on their side, protecting their royalties, not ours. From the posts you make, you seem like a really intelligent guy who would be able to see through their bullshit. But you know what..I guess you're right. You're always right. Never wrong. I'm gonna go back to sleep and pretend none of this happening.I'll see you when you're busting through my doors without my permission. peace.
Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 27, 2008, 07:15 PM
thats all i want to do is inform people because thats the only thing you can do when you learn 90% of what you enjoy was established to keep you docile. When you learn that because of these people, you are not the person natural order intended you to be. Theres probably nothing any of us can do to stop it, because people do_not_care, but goddamnit if I'm going down I'm doing it fighting and kicking and screaming. Theyd much rather die drunk watching tv or dancing in the club rather than standing up and realizing that in this realm they are an individual.
If you are smart, intelligent, and inquisitive, you do not fit into society today. The only light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming.
and the future is now.
there is no present.
fuck the dumb shit.
let's try for something better!
bless.
shame in dem game
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 27, 2008, 02:26 PM
I just wanna DANCE!
I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE. Not saying I can't do anything now, but everything is just all falling into place and I just want people to be aware.
I love how you're realy out to disprove me and make me look like an idiot, but I'm not trying to make YOU look like a dumbass. I want you on our side to help us because you're already on their side, protecting their royalties, not ours. From the posts you make, you seem like a really intelligent guy who would be able to see through their bullshit. But you know what..I guess you're right. You're always right. Never wrong. I'm gonna go back to sleep and pretend none of this happening.I'll see you when you're busting through my doors without my permission. peace.
Well nothing you are saying makes any sense at all. For every theory you throw out no only I, but others on the board too. Have been able to give you some logical explanation for. Something that makes way more sense than what you are saying. And you never counter those explanations. You just come right back with another theory. That doesn't help me see through any bull shit. It just makes me think that what you are saying is complete bull shit. And so to be honest, it makes it a little hard to respect you. You sound like a fucking maniac with no rhyme or reason for your beliefs other that "well some guy told me this is true, so it must be" You're doing just a fine job of making yourself look like a dumbass without me. If you want to change that then stop posting videos that dont prove anything and actually respond with a logical and well though out argument.
Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 27, 2008, 07:15 PM
thats all i want to do is inform people because thats the only thing you can do when you learn 90% of what you enjoy was established to keep you docile. When you learn that because of these people, you are not the person natural order intended you to be. Theres probably nothing any of us can do to stop it, because people do_not_care, but goddamnit if I'm going down I'm doing it fighting and kicking and screaming. Theyd much rather die drunk watching tv or dancing in the club rather than standing up and realizing that in this realm they are an individual.
If you are smart, intelligent, and inquisitive, you do not fit into society today. The only light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming.
im not docile at all buddy. I push my body every day and it responds just how biology says it should. Humans today are bigger, stronger, and faster than they every have been in history. Our life our longer and more comfortable. Those are facts.
I mean you talk about all this poison in our foods. But you're a burger cook? so you just serve up meals to people loaded in sodium , trans fat, saturated fat, cholesterol .....poison. that's what is causing health problems. 100 years ago they didn't have all these sugary drinks, high fructose corn syrup , fast food....you know what the list goes on and on. But that is the shit that is causing diabetes, heart disease , and cancer. Not some fucking fluoride in the water meant to keep our teeth healthy. If you feel weak and docile, maybe you should stop eating burgers and get on a nice healthy diet. Organic foods dont have any of the chemicals that you fear. Go eat them.
It sounds to me more like you are disgusted with your life. You probably think you should have been some sexy movie star or pro athlete. then you ended up a 40 year old working at McDonalds and need someone besides yourself to blame for it. Its kind of sad really.
And yeah, maybe you should go out dancing or have a couple drinks and relax. Its called enjoyment. Just because you are enjoying life does not mean you gave into the man. People have been taking drugs and dancing for millenniums. way before any of your alleged societies existed. So get over it already.
Variable,
if you die serving,
you die serving the man in the chair.
the man who has you as another number in his hand, ready to trade it for money.
and thats all its about is...... money.
you have a price on your head, and your fine with that.
there is NO noble cause.
there is nothing.
a check for college?
some badges?
good "real-world" shooting skills?
bad memories?
security of "power".
security of "the progression of NO art, or passion, or knowledge, health, or love".
has it (throughout time) ever been worth it.
you say its human nature, and all you do is accept your "fate" and produce for the "given".
take control of your life, dont have it be another "given".
another tool.
another number.
another excuse for fear.
nothing will be resolved as you see it.
life is a "mainstay" for you.
yet you fight for causes unseen until, years later when history reflects back on itself and says;
"was that completely necessary? did all of those men really have to die?...."
and of course history will look back and see the war in Iraq as unnecessary. But that is just something we are all going to have to live with. It happened, that's that. I do believe the war in afghanistan was a necessary response. I dont really give a fuck how many conspiracy theories you all have. I have looked the taliban and al qaeda in the face. I have seen their eyes. They are radicals and they hate us. All these men wanted to do was get out of their restraints so that they could kill me. They would kill you, your children, your parents, friends, siblings. There are real evils out there.
And I dont believe for a second that killing these men is 100% necessary. We accomplished a lot more when we were able to convince them to sit and talk with us rather then shooting at each other. And the US military shows and extraordinary amount of restraint when it comes to shooting back. There was a time when we were signing a peace treaty with a village and some ass holes from a village a few miles a way tried to come and disrupt the treaty by shooting at us. Not a single soldier , marine, sailor ( I was the only sailor ) or airman shot back. Not even from the Afghan Army. You know why? Because we see the big picture. Its not all about killing and oppression. We knew it was more important to show this village that we were serious and strong. And it all worked out. The villagers handled the situation themselves. That is what matters. that is progress. However, if it comes down to it. If someone sets up an ambush for me, and the only way I will live is to fight my way out. I will drop the hammer. And that is that. Something I would think even you could understand.
it's about, "why they hate us?"
thats what its about.
because throughout time we deprive ourselves of choice, and fall into line. we never change the argument, or the "logistics" of the solution.
its always the same, because we keep it that way.
you know where it really began, far before modernity, it began from "the crusades" and even before.
And THIS is why their resentment of us runs so deep. so morally ingrained into their psyche. because we have always been "that evil" to them.
and "we" refuse the change.
we are a "given",
but we are still noble.
the same old song
you're a bit off there.
First of all, obviously America was not part of the crusades. And if that was true we would have been facing terrorism or counter crusades since our existence. I understand what you are saying about the western world and christians and all that. But most of these guys dont even know what the crusades are.
It started when we went into their holy land "Saudi" That is when osama got pissed. That is when we really introduced ourselves to the middle east. Trust me, that is where it all started.
But an upside to the war is that so many of us have gone over there and learned about these people and their culture. Even befriended many of them. We dont just seem them as piece of shit sand niggers. They are my friends, and I love them, and their culture. It just takes the time to sit back and actually learn about them and their culture to understand this. So now so many of us can come back and share our experiences. We will grow up and become the lawyers and politicians, or even just voting. We will be able to change the way america thinks of these places. Raise awareness, and hopefully eventually bring peace.
im too high to read all that but man i dont even eat burgers.
Quote from: Variable on Jun 28, 2008, 12:17 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 27, 2008, 02:26 PM
I just wanna DANCE!
I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE. Not saying I can't do anything now, but everything is just all falling into place and I just want people to be aware.
I love how you're realy out to disprove me and make me look like an idiot, but I'm not trying to make YOU look like a dumbass. I want you on our side to help us because you're already on their side, protecting their royalties, not ours. From the posts you make, you seem like a really intelligent guy who would be able to see through their bullshit. But you know what..I guess you're right. You're always right. Never wrong. I'm gonna go back to sleep and pretend none of this happening.I'll see you when you're busting through my doors without my permission. peace.
Well nothing you are saying makes any sense at all. For every theory you throw out no only I, but others on the board too. Have been able to give you some logical explanation for. Something that makes way more sense than what you are saying. And you never counter those explanations. You just come right back with another theory. That doesn't help me see through any bull shit. It just makes me think that what you are saying is complete bull shit. And so to be honest, it makes it a little hard to respect you. You sound like a fucking maniac with no rhyme or reason for your beliefs other that "well some guy told me this is true, so it must be" You're doing just a fine job of making yourself look like a dumbass without me. If you want to change that then stop posting videos that dont prove anything and actually respond with a logical and well though out argument. Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 27, 2008, 07:15 PM
thats all i want to do is inform people because thats the only thing you can do when you learn 90% of what you enjoy was established to keep you docile. When you learn that because of these people, you are not the person natural order intended you to be. Theres probably nothing any of us can do to stop it, because people do_not_care, but goddamnit if I'm going down I'm doing it fighting and kicking and screaming. Theyd much rather die drunk watching tv or dancing in the club rather than standing up and realizing that in this realm they are an individual.
If you are smart, intelligent, and inquisitive, you do not fit into society today. The only light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming.
im not docile at all buddy. I push my body every day and it responds just how biology says it should. Humans today are bigger, stronger, and faster than they every have been in history. Our life our longer and more comfortable. Those are facts.
I mean you talk about all this poison in our foods. But you're a burger cook? so you just serve up meals to people loaded in sodium , trans fat, saturated fat, cholesterol .....poison. that's what is causing health problems. 100 years ago they didn't have all these sugary drinks, high fructose corn syrup , fast food....you know what the list goes on and on. But that is the shit that is causing diabetes, heart disease , and cancer. Not some fucking fluoride in the water meant to keep our teeth healthy. If you feel weak and docile, maybe you should stop eating burgers and get on a nice healthy diet. Organic foods dont have any of the chemicals that you fear. Go eat them.
It sounds to me more like you are disgusted with your life. You probably think you should have been some sexy movie star or pro athlete. then you ended up a 40 year old working at McDonalds and need someone besides yourself to blame for it. Its kind of sad really.
And yeah, maybe you should go out dancing or have a couple drinks and relax. Its called enjoyment. Just because you are enjoying life does not mean you gave into the man. People have been taking drugs and dancing for millenniums. way before any of your alleged societies existed. So get over it already.
What's wrong with you? Do you ALWAYS have to fucking resort to insulting people when you don't even know them? You're just scared of acing the truth and you try to make our information not seem valid by repeating the same insults and names so other people can see it and not belive. I'm pretty certain you work for them. You have knwoledge. You want no one to believe anything we say because we don't go out dancing and "enjoy" ourselves? What is there to be happy about [in this world, not our own personal lives]? Enjoy the downward spiral we're going into? You're telling people to pretend nothing is happening and thats their plan. I'll just keep repeating my "crazy" claims, but I'm pretty sure it will spark an interest into whats really going, but they don't want to reply because they don't want to be bombarded by your cunning skills. The mastery of being a jerk [sometimes]. Whatever man, I'm gonna go buy a gun soon before they take that right away from me in order to protect myself.
and anybody reading this, pleae stock up on canned foods and first aid kits. don't be afraid to stand up.
lol. Jesus Christ. So because I make a better , more logical argument than you. I work for them? you have no information man. Just a buch of bull shit. A bunch of bull shit theories that cant be proved. However it is more likely that they are false instead of true. So logical minded people tend to think they are false. You haven't provided a shed of any proof to your theories. But you expect people to rally around you and hail your infinite wisdom because you bought into some bull shit on a youtube video?
Life is what you make of it man. If you are an unhappy person. Im really sorry to hear that. However its not the governments fault. You yourself said that as of right now no one is actually holding you back in any way. If you need to go to school and get a better education to get a better job, or a job you can be happy with. Do it. If you need to move out to the middle of no where and just be a happy hermit. Do it. Whatever is going to make you happy. You need to just go ahead and do. Life is too short to be buying into this bull shit. Seriously. I fell bad for you that you are such an unhappy person for no good reason. There is a lot of opportunity out there man. So go out, buy your gun. Buy a couple guns. Get some canned food and first aid kids. Then set that shit on the back burner and go live your life. Go out and pursue your happiness. Then if the day comes that anyone actually tries to take it from you. Then you should act on all these emotions of hate and rage. Then you should defend your civil liberties. But until then. Chill the fuck out. Because that day may never come. And your life will have been wasted in misery and hate for no good reason.
yeah i need food
so go buy some food. Get high quality food. Not fast food or a frozen dinner. Go get some organic food from farmers market and be happy.