Welcome to one step closer to the end of humanity!
Afaik Sharing Lungs have members from Mexico, don't we?
Any reflections on the situation that is going on?
I believe the scientists did this. Yes, call me paranoid whatever, but I do believe that some part of human research is hidden under 'government' status, therefore we have no access to information about this. And since people just love to create all sorts of weapons and destructive substances, I suspect them of being responsible for mixing some various diseases (oh lets do it just for the scientific benefit.. lol WHAT benefit?) and putting it out in the public by "accident".
Thoughts? I'd like to hear something from the mexican users
edit: I think it is needless to say that people made themselves vulnerable to all the diseases and infections by reducing their natural resistance to bacteria..
lol, I'll get infected through sharinglungs!
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I saw that guy in alabama last week!!
These thinngs happen. and just like the amino acids that essentially contrive me, this virus flew in on a comet.
Quote from: lostpilot on Apr 26, 2009, 09:53 AMI believe the scientists did this. Yes, call me paranoid whatever, but I do believe that some part of human research is hidden under 'government' status, therefore we have no access to information about this. And since people just love to create all sorts of weapons and destructive substances, I suspect them of being responsible for mixing some various diseases (oh lets do it just for the scientific benefit.. lol WHAT benefit?) and putting it out in the public by "accident".
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yes, jesus would be ashamed of you... SUCH HERESY!!
we're fucked
Yeah, where the Mexicans at? It would be good to hear what the situation is like over there. Maybe it's different to what the media is telling us... It's a terrible thing that people are dying from this flu virus and I'm sorry but when hundreds of people from all over the globe start dying from this virus, that's when it's time to panic, not now. Thousands of people die from Aids everyday in Africa. we should be more concerned about that right now...
I feel like shit. My throat hurts and I'm full of snot.
Quote from: Starz on Apr 26, 2009, 05:16 PM
Yeah, where the Mexicans at?
I guess they're all dead
oh. at least it will be hard for jerry to blame the jews since they dont eat pigs...
lol
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 26, 2009, 08:50 PM
oh. at least it will be hard for jerry to blame the jews since they dont eat pigs...
does jerry hate jews?
Please people. Please, can we not do this here?
I don't have my TV at home hooked up in any way other than to be able to watch movies, so I never watch the news or TV or whatever. So this weekend I was in Vegas and my friends were all hung over sleeping in, so I decided to catch up on some news. The only fucking thing they were talking about was this lame ass fucking swine virus. I was so pissed off and disappointed at how lame the American media, and people, are. This thing has killed a whopping 20 people in the states, 6 in Mexico last I checked. The news even gave themselves away by saying "SWINE FLUE PANDEMIC potential " They are just hurting for ratings and are blowing shit out of proportion to strike fear into you so that you are glued to your TV watching their programs. 20, 20 fucking people. At any given minute I would be willing to bet there are 20 people dying on the side of the interstate system in America from car crashes. But 20 people die from a lame ass flu thats going to go away just as fast as bird flu and suddenly we forget that we ( the US ) are fighting two wars ( at least ) trying to counter a global economic recession, that Iran and Israel are about to pop off, Obama is about to give the state of the union ect ect ect? What the fuck is wrong with you people? Quit being idiots, now! Its not a big deal at all.
Quote from: lostpilot on Apr 26, 2009, 07:23 PM
Quote from: Starz on Apr 26, 2009, 05:16 PM
Yeah, where the Mexicans at?
I guess they're all dead
I lol'd
Quote from: Variable on Apr 27, 2009, 02:34 AM
Please people. Please, can we not do this here?
I don't have my TV at home hooked up in any way other than to be able to watch movies, so I never watch the news or TV or whatever. So this weekend I was in Vegas and my friends were all hung over sleeping in, so I decided to catch up on some news. The only fucking thing they were talking about was this lame ass fucking swine virus. I was so pissed off and disappointed at how lame the American media, and people, are. This thing has killed a whopping 20 people in the states, 6 in Mexico last I checked. The news even gave themselves away by saying "SWINE FLUE PANDEMIC potential " They are just hurting for ratings and are blowing shit out of proportion to strike fear into you so that you are glued to your TV watching their programs. 20, 20 fucking people. At any given minute I would be willing to bet there are 20 people dying on the side of the interstate system in America from car crashes. But 20 people die from a lame ass flu thats going to go away just as fast as bird flu and suddenly we forget that we ( the US ) are fighting two wars ( at least ) trying to counter a global economic recession, that Iran and Israel are about to pop off, Obama is about to give the state of the union ect ect ect? What the fuck is wrong with you people? Quit being idiots, now! Its not a big deal at all.
you're man right, definitely. this kind of reminds me of SARS and those killer bees that were supposed to kill us.
yeah. The "child abduction is not funny" episode of south park comes to mind.
what kills me, is that they still get people with this shit.
Quote from: pissedandpierced on Apr 26, 2009, 05:20 PM
I feel like shit. My throat hurts and I'm full of snot.
wow, really? Where do you live?
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Apr 27, 2009, 02:49 AM
Quote from: lostpilot on Apr 26, 2009, 07:23 PM
Quote from: Starz on Apr 26, 2009, 05:16 PM
Yeah, where the Mexicans at?
I guess they're all dead
I lol'd
haha we're not dead, well at least not all of us.
This topic is giving something to talk about huh? Well since you want information from the source I'm gonna tell you somethings I've noticed in the last days.
It first started as a flu but after some days the people in the goverment started to appear in the TV saying it wasn't a "regular" flu, it's supposed to be a fucking new virus that combines the bird flu and other type of flu. So first the goverment suspend the school classes for a day (friday), then over the weekend we got the news that there's not going to be school classes til May 6th saying this is like a precaution to avoid more people to get infected since it is more probable to get the virus in closed places like classrooms, so now not just the schools are closed also cinemas, theatres and all this places where a bunch of ppl just to get together. This shit has killed here (according to the news here) 20 people.
But yeah media is playing a big role here and if you ask me, I think the goverment is hidding something and the media is just brainwashing or giving people half of the information, But that's just me. Hope everything went alright.
Meanwhile a cartel war is going on that probably at least kills 20 people a day.
BUT OH OH OH OH OH! BIG GOVERNMENT COME SAVE ME FROM THE SWINE FLUE PLEASE! I need you to tell me what to do and how to live my life and take away my rights, freedoms, and liberties so that I don't die from terrorist, the economy, or swine flu!
Quote from: Variable on Apr 27, 2009, 03:48 AM
BUT OH OH OH OH OH! BIG GOVERNMENT COME SAVE ME FROM THE SWINE FLUE PLEASE! I need you to tell me what to do and how to live my life and take away my rights, freedoms, and liberties so that I don't die from terrorist, the economy, or swine flu!
yeah sadly that's how things are right now...
And yes, I think this is a smoke screen and that we all mexicans are about to get butt fuck by our own president...
yeah wtf, we haven't heard anything in a week about those huge drug wars near the border
86 people in mexico died, according to news
crap, one more attack by nature
86?! Holy shit man, this shit is getting outta hand. Supposedly there is no cure for this type of flu and it can be easily passed on. It has already made its way to San Diego which is about 3 hours from where I live. Pretty scary shit though.
yeah it's getting scary but I still thinking that there's something behind all this
reminds me of this flu in 1918
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic
i hope u guys dont live in a big city or get a good zombie-plan
I got an e-mail from my college today telling students just to take precautions, basically common sense stuff like cover your mouth and nose when you cough and sneeze.
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 27, 2009, 09:48 PM
i hope u guys dont live in a big city or get a good zombie-plan
I feel like a zombie attack is one of the few things in life I would be prepared to handle. Thank you video games.
Quote from: Zevaka on Apr 27, 2009, 07:23 AM
86 people in mexico died, according to news
crap, one more attack by nature
Since when did nature create a flu that is a mix of human, bird, and swine flu...this is all orchestrated.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Apr 27, 2009, 11:01 PM
Since when did nature create a flu that is a mix of human, bird, and swine flu...this is all orchestrated.
could be
It's either from outter space (via comet). Or it's the man in his chair.
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 27, 2009, 09:48 PM
reminds me of this flu in 1918
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic
i hope u guys dont live in a big city or get a good zombie-plan
this one i find interesting because the scenario was pretty unbelievable, -where the virus hit simultaneously, and within days from each other, in city's very far and across ocean expanses from one another. and in big cities maximizing the body toll. the comets dissipate in the upper echelons of our atmophere where only birds can fly. and these birds ingest the molecular bodies of the cosmic virus and bring them to earth in migratory patterns, thus displacing the flu into rodents such as rats, or other scavenger mammals (pigs) which would feed from bird droppings or interact with one another in the wild, or simply having birds touch down on the ground, breathing the same air as us, and infecting us within simple spacial interactions.
*also notice; same as the spanish flu, this flu virus has been reported to infect young healthy adults, rather than the normal children and elderly, who have weakened or not fully evolved/formed immunities/immune systems.
-this could point to purposeful infection, by military/government research etc, etc
c'mon the simply and ordinary flu is already a pandemic, now we just oughta get used to live with this one, in my thoughts, it is all about an eerie government's plan, just after the nukka president visited here (which is ridiculously obvious) this happened, they gonna say that it all was caused by terrorists who were chasing the poor chocolate bar from white house, making some treaties they become heroes and save the fucking world like in every hollyshitewood's movie, whatsover mx licks us's ass (nothing new, really), the backyard gets a fancy new security system to fuck up all immigrants that attempt to come across through beanerland following the cookout sausage's dream (*winky* goldpony -local joke-).
not taking party of this shit, the media isnt telling you the whole thing, just read some professor from the national university, he said that the administration wasnt prepared for something like this, and then at least on saturday the real numbers were about 150/200 dead pplz, but no even cuz of the illness itself, more like complications related to this variant of flu, you know, people already sick haha, thats when i start to worry, cuz i feel sick right here! jajaja
remember people, fear is the virus they use to divide us! they're just playing with their actual hand of illuminati card game :), dont think you're safe living in free-land, they wil throw you out when you're no longer usefull, so think variables the only that helps the system even when he wastes their broadband on posting SHIT in forums hahaha
I didn't get that last sentence at all. Please explain so that I know if I should be mad at you, or laugh.
And wither, whys it got to be the military up to no good? We just run around practicing how to defend the country over seas or kill pirates or help a new American Corporation impoverish another country. But we don't go spreading lame ass viruses and ruin the news for everyone.
and Mr. Sinister, yes there is a treatment for this flu. You use the exact same anti virals that you use for every other flu. Its all good, just go to the DR. if you have flu like symptoms, but put a mask on first.
So I still think this whole thing is lame as fuck. I had TWO fucking briefings on this shit today and how to identify it and how to take samples from patients that might have it. But apparently one marine from 29 palms actually had a lab confirmed case today. GREAT, now this is all I'm going to hear about tomorrow ::)
high-up military research. the kind the military doesn't know about ;)
i definitely have everything planned out for this zombie apocalypse. just waiting for it to happen.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Apr 28, 2009, 05:23 AM
i definitely have everything planned out for this zombie apocalypse. just waiting for it to happen.
lol operation zombie is in full effect.. im just more scared of the guinee bears.
anyways, kill the pigs... problem solved
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 28, 2009, 04:32 AM
high-up military research. the kind the military doesn't know about ;)
ohhh. Now I get it!
if i get this flu i will take some arsenic, climb on a high church and shoot myself in the head to fall down. just to get sure. i dont wanna die from such a banal thing like flue.
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 28, 2009, 05:06 PM
if i get this flu i will take some arsenic, climb on a high church and shoot myself in the head to fall down. just to get sure. i dont wanna die from such a banal thing like flue.
haha yeah die from a flu is such a ridiculous way to die.
I was talking to somebody today whos roommate works at the CDC and said that the CDC wasnt too worried about it.
Surprise surprise:http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/jan1404hybrids.html
CDC to mix avian, human flu viruses in pandemic study
Robert Roos * News Editor
Jan 14, 2004 (CIDRAP News) – One of the worst fears of infectious disease experts is that the H5N1 avian influenza virus now circulating in parts of Asia will combine with a human-adapted flu virus to create a deadly new flu virus that could spread around the world.
That could happen, scientists predict, if someone who is already infected with an ordinary flu virus contracts the avian virus at the same time. The avian virus has already caused at least 48 confirmed human illness cases in Asia, of which 35 have been fatal. The virus has shown little ability to spread from person to person, but the fear is that a hybrid could combine the killing power of the avian virus with the transmissibility of human flu viruses.
Now, rather than waiting to see if nature spawns such a hybrid, US scientists are planning to try to breed one themselves—in the name of preparedness.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will soon launch experiments designed to combine the H5N1 virus and human flu viruses and then see how the resulting hybrids affect animals. The goal is to assess the chances that such a "reassortant" virus will emerge and how dangerous it might be.
CDC officials confirmed the plans for the research as described recently in media reports, particularly in a Canadian Press (CP) story.
Two ways to make hybrids
The plans call for trying two methods to create hybrid viruses, CDC spokesman David Daigle told CIDRAP News via e-mail. One is to infect cells in a laboratory tissue culture with H5N1 and human flu viruses at the same time and then watch to see if they mix. For the human virus, investigators will use A (H3N2), the strain that has caused most human flu cases in recent years, according to the CP report.
The other method is reverse genetics—assembling a new virus with sets of genes from the H5N1 and H3N2 viruses. Reverse genetics has already been used to create H5N1 candidate vaccines in several laboratories, according to Daigle. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) said recently it would soon launch a clinical trial of one of those vaccines.
Of the two methods, the co-infection approach was described as slower and more laborious, though closer to what happens in nature.
Any viable viruses that emerge from these processes will be seeded into animals that are considered good models for testing how flu viruses behave in humans, according to Daigle. The aim will be to observe whether the animals get sick and whether infected animals can infect others.
The World Health Organization (WHO) has been "pleading" for laboratories to do this research, because it could provide some evidence to back up the agency's warnings about the risk of a flu pandemic, according to the CP report.
Klaus Stohr, head of the WHO's global influenza program, was quoted as saying that if none of the hybrids caused disease, the agency might be inclined to dial down its level of concern. But if the experiments produce highly transmissible and pathogenic viruses, the agency will be more worried, he said.
Safety precautions
Because of the obvious risks in creating viruses with the potential to spark a pandemic, the work will be done in a biosafety level 3 (BSL-3) laboratory at the CDC in Atlanta, Daigle told CIDRAP News.
"We recognize that there is concern by some over this type of work. This concern may be heightened by reports of recent lab exposures in other lab facilities," he said. "But CDC has an incredible record in lab safety and is taking very strict precautions."
Daigle said the US Department of Agriculture requires that highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) viruses be treated as "Select Agents" and that research on them must be done in BSL-3 labs with "enhancements." These include "special provisions to protect both laboratory workers and the environment."
BSL-3 is the second highest level of laboratory biosecurity. It is used for work with pathogens that may cause serious or potentially lethal disease if inhaled, such as tuberculosis or St. Louis encephalitis, according to the CDC.
CDC experiments with HPAI viruses have to pass reviews by the agency's Institutional Biosafety Committee and Animal Care and Use Committee, Daigle said. The facilities involved are inspected by the USDA and the CDC's Office of Safety and Health, and staff members who work with Select Agents require special clearance.
It's been done before
The upcoming experiments will not break entirely new ground for the CDC, the CP story revealed. The agency already has made hybrid viruses with H5N1 samples isolated from patients in Hong Kong in 1997, when the virus first caused human disease.
The results of that research have not yet been published, and the CDC has said little about them. In the CP report, Dr. Nancy Cox, head of the CDC's influenza branch, commented only, "Some gene combinations could be produced and others could not."
Daigle added little to that. He said, "The reassortment work with the 1997 isolate was intermittently interrupted with SARS [severe acute respiratory syndrome] and then the 2004 H5N1 outbreak. We are currently concentrating our efforts on understanding the pathogenicity of the 2004 strains (non-reassortants) in mammalian models."
He said the CDC hopes to prepare a report on that research "in the near future."
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Apr 28, 2009, 05:23 AM
i definitely have everything planned out for this zombie apocalypse. just waiting for it to happen.
I'm right there with you!
And this shit is fucking funny. We had a guy come back from vacation in Mexico who was hospitalized with the flu. Now the papers are eating it up and the city is freaking out. They released him and said the symptoms weren't the same, but people are attacking the hospital for letting him go and reacting like morons. Wtf is wrong with people? Like there aren't enough things to spaz out about already.
it just prooves how much our moral achievements are really worth in such situations
SARS!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Apr 28, 2009, 09:20 PM
Surprise surprise:http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/jan1404hybrids.html
CDC to mix avian, human flu viruses in pandemic study
haha, no wonder they're not fuckin' worried
QuoteI believe the scientists did this. Yes, call me paranoid whatever, but I do believe that some part of human research is hidden under 'government' status, therefore we have no access to information about this. And since people just love to create all sorts of weapons and destructive substances, I suspect them of being responsible for mixing some various diseases (oh lets do it just for the scientific benefit.. lol WHAT benefit?) and putting it out in the public by "accident".
That's pretty much how AIDS came to be. Wouldn't be surprised if this swine flu, SARS, etc. came to exist in the same ways... wether it was done on purpose or by accident, the scientists that 'created' these things deserve to contract these diseases themselves, if they don't already LOL.
^ Exactly! Here is some info about the AIDS pandemic...and some info about Swine flu..
http://aidsinfobbs.org/articles/how/1
Scroll down to the part about Swine flu virus:
Subject: AIDS and genes -- Part 1 of 3
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AIDS and Genes
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(c) Gay Community News
AIDS and genes
by Charley Shively
The Centers for Disease Control would have us believe that
AIDS was first spread in this country by homosexual and junkie
behaviors. Yet, while these groups are disproportionately
stricken by the disease, their "behaviors" haven't changed appre-
ciably in the last half century. One would therefore expect
the CDC to look for some new factors common among members of
these groups. Similarly, the presence and spread of AIDS in
Africa and Haiti have been explained by factors which are not
new, but which indicate the racism of scientists posing the
theories. Evidence is mounting that the skewed spread of AIDS in
both the Third World and U.S. originated not in "behaviors" or
"cultural" factors, but in new vaccination programs of the
drug/hospital establishment.
In Africa, the one new factor is the recent smallpox immuni-
zation program. The London Times ran a front page story (May
11, 1987) linking the spread of AIDS to the World Health
Organization's thirteen-year campaign to eradicate smallpox.
WHO's recent vaccinations parallel reported AIDS cases. In Zaire
36 million people have received smallpox vaccinations; that coun-
try has the highest reported rate of AIDS in Africa. And in
Latin America, Brazil, "the only South American country covered
in the [smallpox] eradication campaign, has the highest incidence
of AIDS in that region." (NY Native, #219).
Among gay men, the Hepatitis-B vaccination program almost
exactly parallels the spread of AIDS. New York City and San
Francisco (with 38 percent of all AIDS cases) were two centers of
the Hepatitis-B experiments. The experiments ended in 1980;
AIDS began in the gay community; mass vaccinations were begun;
AIDS cases ballooned.
The experiment included IV drug users and homosexuals, both
groups who had high rates of Hepatitis-B. Paul O'Malley at the
San Francisco City Clinic explained, "Basically what the Hepa-
titis study was about, was the screening of nearly 7,000 gay men
between January 1978 and January 1980 for Hepatitis-B (Bay Area
Reporter, September 5, 1985)." Experimenters distinguished three
sub-groups: those who had Hepatitis-B but had not developed
immunity; and those who had no evidence of either the virus or
antibodies. Those with antibodies were eliminated from the
test group since they were already immune. Those who had active
Hepatitis-B virus had their blood drawn and the virus was then
isolated and used to manufacture a vaccine. That vaccine was
then injected into those who had neither the virus nor antibo-
dies.
One thousand and eighty-three male homosexuals who had no
evidence of Hepatitis-B were chosen to test the new vaccine.
They were chosen from Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, St. Louis,
San Francisco and New York City. Half were given placeboes and
half were given the experimental vaccine. When it was deter-
mined that the vaccine was nearly 100 percent effective, the
results were announced and a rapid campaign was launched pushing
homosexuals and other at-risk groups to obtain Hepatitis-B
immunizations. (NE Journal of Medicine, 9 Oct 1980)
Elaborate reassurances have been given that the vaccine was
not contaminated with AIDS material; however, when the experi-
ment began in 1978, researchers were unaware of AIDS. Raw
plasma was taken from IV drug users and homosexuals with active
Hepatitis-B infections, often in massive amounts; one man made
$7,000 selling his Hepatitis-B active blood plasma. The plasma
was taken to a New Jersey drug company, where the vaccine was
manufactured and then injected into the Hepatitis-B free sub-
jects. In San Francisco, of the 24 cases of AIDS reported in
1981, 11 had been involved in the Hepatitis experiment (NY
Native, June 22, 1987). There is no report of a follow-up in New
York City, the epicenter of the epidemic.
The medico/hospital/government complex first spread AIDS,
but where did the disease itself originate? Today there is great
uncertainty about its cause. That AIDS is blood borne seems to
be the only incontrovertible fact; everything else is specula-
tive. AIDS becomes manifest when the immune system breaks down
and the ratio between the T-cells goes awry. Perhaps the most
remarkable fact is that the T-cell test kit came on the market
before the disease itself was identified. In the entire his-
tory of disease, this may be the first instance where the
specific test for the disease preceded the outbreak of the
disease. Many have speculated that the disease was manufactured.
What was new was the knowledge of the T-cell immunity system.
With that knowledge, targeted genocide was possible. The argu-
ments of the counter-establishment are currently split over
whether the AIDS agent is biological or chemical.
Currently there is a medical dogma that AIDS is caused by a
virus (now called the Human Immunodeficiency Virus -- "HIV").
While HIV may be the cause or at least a marker of the disease,
alternative explanations have not only been examined but they
have been ridiculed. Liberals even within the gay community
have denounced and lumped alternative explanations ("those
ultra-leftists") with Moral Majority theories. Between the far
right and the far left theories -- "the wrath of God or the work-
ings of the CIA" -- stands the reasonable centrist explanation,
the human immunodeficiency virus (Dennis Altman, AIDS in the Mind
of America, 1986, 10-11).
The HIV virus was first identified by a group of French
scientists at the Louis Pasteur Institute, who published their
findings in Science and supplied samples of the virus to Dr.
Robert Gallo in the United States. Gallo was booed at a meeting
of cancer researchers when he refused to give any details of his
own research. In April 1984, he appeared with the United States
Secretary of Health and Human Services, who was sadly drunken
and nearly fell from the podium. The Secretary announced that
the doctor had discovered the AIDS virus. She said, "Today we
add another miracle to the long honor roll of American medicine
and science."
Peter H. Duesberg has challenged the HIV theory. In Cancer
Research (March 1, 1987) and in an interview by John Lauritsen
(NY Native, #219) Duesberg explains that the virus itself can-
not cause AIDS. (Indeed, he argues that no retrovirus can cause
cancer). Many people who have AIDS do not have the HIV virus.
If HIV causes AIDS, then everyone who has AIDS must have the
virus. At first this deficiency in the HIV explanation was
answered by saying that the tests were inadequate. This argument
is embarrassing to the test manufacturers and others who want
to believe in the test as much as they want to believe in HIV.
As tests have become more and more sophisticated, HIV apolo-
gists have claimed that the virus hits and runs. But that argu-
ment is so patently absurd that few try to use it except for
public relations propaganda. As the HIV dogma disintegrates, the
biological and chemical warfare theories become more important.
They have been combined with Psychological Warfare.
During the uprisings of the 1960s, the lid of secrecy was
lifted from some of the government crimes against humanity. Many
agents like Philip Agee or Daniel Ellsburg simply defected and
told everything they knew. And researchers have since found
that great chunks of material are constantly leaking to the
public from unexpected sources. Thus magazines such as Covert
Action, Information Bulletin serve a great public need by gath-
ering up and remembering. The current issue (#28, Summer 1987)
contains three thorough articles on AIDS; two by Robert
Lederer, an activist in the gay and Puerto Rico solidarity move-
ments.
The earliest links to AIDS were implicitly suggested in
Robert Harris and Jeremy Paxman, A Higher Form of Killing, The
Secret Story of Chemical and Biological Warfare (1982). They
quote 1969 military testimony before the House Committee on
Appropriations:
"Within the next 5 or 10 years, it would probably be
possible to make a new infective micro-organism which
could differ in certain important aspects from any known
disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is
that it might be refractory to the immunological and
therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain
our relative freedom from infectious disease."
And a 1975 military manual promises forthcoming
"ethnic chemical weapons ... designed to exploit naturally
occurring differences in vulnerability among specific
population groups."
(240-41)
Requests for more details on these efforts under the Freedom
of Information Act have all been denied to the Gay Community News.
Jane Teas provided an early hypothesis on the origin of
AIDS. She observed that pigs with African Swine Fever
displayed symptoms similar to those of humans with AIDS (Lancet,
April 23, 1983). Since smallpox has been controlled by vac-
cinating (vaccinus = Latin for cow) humans with live cowpox vi-
rus, scientists should have rushed to their labs to examine the
Swine Fever Virus. Instead HIV virus was purportedly tested in
Belgium against a twenty-year-old Swine Fever Virus sample from
Spain and found to be distinct. Teas wonders, "How had the Bel-
gians managed to set up a new experiment with an animal virus,
perform the test, write the results, and get them all published
in just three weeks." (NY Native, December 17-30, 1984)
Dr. Gallo controls all work with the human immunodeficiency
virus and the Department of Agriculture controls all research
with the African Swine Fever Virus. Both sources have sabotaged
research (either dependent or independent) on the African Swine
Fever Virus. In Haiti the United States government provided
millions of dollars to exterminate all the pigs on the island;
Teas speculates that the US Department of Agriculture had
spread the pig virus with contaminated vaccine.
Parts of the secrecy surrounding African Swine Fever Virus
arises from the CIA's use of animal diseases against Cuba,
Nicaragua and elsewhere. Viruses for use in biological warfare
have been manufactured at Fort Detrick (located near Frederick,
Maryland). A Newsday article reprinted in the Boston Globe
(1/9/77) reports that CIA operatives received the virus at a CIA
biological warfare training station in Panama and traveled to
Navassa (a U.S. controlled island just off the coast of Cuba)
-- where the virus was spread to Cuban pigs. (The United States
maintains a naval base on Cuba itself; Guantanamo was origi-
nally founded by French slaveowners fleeing the revolution in
Haiti). From Cuba the disease spread to the Dominican Republic
(1978), to Haiti (1979) and reappeared in Cuba in 1980. In July
1981, Fidel Castro reported that the CIA had spread dengue -- a
tropical disease -- killing 113 and infecting 270,000 Cubans; the
United States denied the charge but admitted that they had
prepared special poisons for Castro himself.
Doctors Lilli and Jacob Segal argue that the HIV virus is
genetically engineered, AIDS: USA -- home made evil; NOT
imported from Africa (Zimbabwe, 1986, 2nd ed.) The Segals con-
tend that the human immunodeficiency virus originated from a
splice between a recently identified human leukemia virus and a
sheep maedi-visna virus. The Human T-Cell lymphotropic virus
type I (HTLV-1) was first identified in 1980 as the cause of
leukemia among groups in Japan and the Caribbean. Gallo led the
effort to isolate and identify this virus; his research exactly
corresponds with the appearance of the AIDS virus. The Segals'
pamphlet would lead one to ask whether he had first manufactured
the virus he later claimed to have discovered.
The maedi-visna virus is a retrovirus of the subfamily len-
tivirinae, which includes infectious anaemia in horses and
encephalitis-arthritis in goats. These viruses are lens-shaped
(lenti); and ordinarily they develop slowly over a number of
years. John Seale in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medi-
cine (August 1985) lists many of the similarities between AIDS
and lentivirus infections in animals. The Segals summarize
their findings:
"we can exclude the possibility that the AIDS virus had
naturally evolved from a HTLV virus -- of man or monkeys.
Nor could the AIDS virus have naturally evolved from the
Visna virus by way of a series of mutations. The AIDS
virus contains a proportion of HTLV and a proportion of
lentivirus, which, according to our present standards of
knowledge, could only have been combined by means of gene
surgery."
Dr. Robert Strecker, in the British newspaper Sunday
Express, Oct. 26, 1986, suggested yet another splice: "There is
no known animal virus with all the symptoms of AIDS. It must
have been genetically engineered from different viruses. The two
viruses which were used, according to all my research and
studies, are Maedi-visna and Bovine Leukemia. It almost cer-
tainly happened in a research laboratory in the United States."
While the argument for genetic engineering is very strong
indeed, important links are quite speculative. Microbiology
has made many discoveries and perfected many techniques in the
last decade; however, their forms of identification are still
quite primitive. Thus two teams argue that HIV is a splice
between visna and either a human or a cow leukemia virus. The
Segals speculate that the virus was manufactured at Ft.
Detrick; Dr. Seale argues that the splice was inadvertent. He
thinks "a scientist in a laboratory somewhere in the United
States and doing cancer research with the two viruses, acciden-
tally spliced elements of both together -- and created AIDS...the
scientist would be totally unaware that anything was wrong." Dr.
Seale had first hand knowledge of the British Porton Down Micro-
biological Research Establishment (which works in tandem with
Fort Detrick).
Gene splicing itself is now almost routine. Paul Berg in
1971 linked a simian (or monkey) virus (SV40) with a part of a
bacteria common in the human colon (Escherichia coli). In 1978,
his team made headlines when they linked rabbit genes for hemo-
globin with SV40, which they then used to infect an African
green monkey. (Berg received the Nobel prize for his work in
1980). Berg himself joined a voluntary moratorium on recombinant
DNA experiments. He found that "in his own P3 facility...almost
everyone who entered that lab acquired substantial antibody
titres to SV40 (a sign of infection) after one half to a full
year (Science for the People, 17:3, 40)." A P3 facility is the
most secure outside the P4 facilities at Fort Detrick and the
army's Dugway lab near Salt Lake City.
After a few years debate on the dangers of genetic engineer-
ing, scientists have returned to their splicing. Richard Mul-
ligan at MIT's Whitehead Institute has inserted a bacterial gene
into the germ line of mice by retroviral infection with thymus
tumor cells. The human thymus generates T-cells, whose collapse
signals AIDS. Monkey kidney cells were implicated in a 1967
experiment in Marburg, West Germany. Twenty-five workers who had
handled green-monkey kidney cells came down with a mysterious
disease, of which six died. "Virologists identified a new agent
now known as the Marburg virus among the human victims and the
monkeys."
Further questions can be raised about genetic engineering
and AIDS. Some children are born without any immune capacities
(the Bubble kid) and organ transplant patients are given drugs
which suppress their usual immune responses and make them sus-
ceptible to the opportunistic diseases common to AIDS. The
Chemical/Biological Warfare scientists haves studied such
responses carefully. Genetic researchers postulate that each
individual mammal has specific human leukocyte antigens (HLA).
"The HLA markers are products of a cluster of genes on chromosome
6 known as the major histocompatibility complex (histo means tis-
sue)." MHC (Major HistoCompatibility) "is the master control
region for the immune system, our internal security agency that
recognizes and defends us against viruses, bacteria, and other
disease-causing agents." (Baskin, The Gene Doctors, 49)
English researchers have found that people with AIDS all share a
protein in common and they argue that the difference between
responses to the virus are genetic (Nature, 16 July 1987).
Robert Lederer suggests that the CBW people are less com-
petent than many theories would suggest. In the most comprehen-
sive and thorough review of current theories, Lederer has
tracked down a Fort Detrick official reference to AIDS research.
The Philadelphia Daily News (February 18, 1987) quoted a colo-
nel who said that "studies at the Army laboratories have shown
that the AIDS virus would be an extremely poor biological warfare
agent." (Covert Action, Summer 87) (See also Lederer in GCN,
Vol. 14, No. 40). The colonel later repudiated the quotation;
however, his words demonstrate that the Army if it did not invent
AIDS has contemplated using it as an agent of war.
---------------------------------------------------------------
End of Part I, which is from Vol. 15, No. 12. Parts II And III
will discuss chemical and psychological warfare.
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viding coverage of events and news in the interest of gay and
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fuckin hypochondriacs
Dude, the whole base is in a frenzy over this shit. My medical officer was trying to get me to waste all of my funding for this quarter to buy supplies just incase we have to test the entire world for this shit. Yeah, I shut that down with the quickness. Then everyone in the hospital is walking around with mask on. So then all the marines think that every single little sneeze is the " hog flu " and come in 10 at a time every 15 min because they think they have it. And they are like genuinely scared even though the only thing wrong with them is like some mild diarrhea or something stupid. GOD THIS IS LAME.
But you guys got the conspiracy theories all wrong. This is really easy to see though after SARS and the bird flu. The pharmaceutical companies have to produce so many anti virals each flu season for 1. just in case, and 2. because the CDC is going to want so many pills to be on stock just in case ( it takes about 10 pill per flu patient ) So at the end of a flu season when shit DIDN'T go crazy and they still have a big ass stock of these pills that they had to pay to produce but got no return on. They make up a pandemic story, get their buddies in the media to talk about nothing else then forcing the white house and CDC to respond. They make this story one that of course is a super killer flu. That way doctors feel morally obligated to prescribe antivirals to any patients with symptoms, even before a confirmation can be made. Thus emptying the shelves of the anti virals and filling the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies. Because between all the legit flu cases still going around, and just straight up people being so scared that they have it, that they actually make themselves believe they do, those prescriptions will happen. And that my friends is how the American economy works, through fear. Vote yes on the next stimulus bill and government expansion bill or else they will make more shit up to scare you about.
its in germany now. O!O!O! :-\ :-\ :-\
all I can say is I agree with Trey, media is blowing this shit way out of proportion. when newspapers try to scare the entire Swedish population and make us think WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE something is very wrong... ffs, a little more than 20 people died, right?
I say worry more about starvation, drought, aids, religion and nuclear weapons - these things are constantly around, killing more than 20 people every day.
Well now they are saying that its killed hundreds. But still, not that impressive. But more and more autopsies are coming back saying that some of these people that they thought died from swine flu, actually did not. It was just something else
I bet more people have died from regular flu lately.
Yes Sir. I would be willing to bet that you're right.
dang, im not eatting fast food anymore
all those ppl that touch your food and all thats just plan sick
first US death here in Houston this past monday.
Are you surprised?
posted this on my facebook:
[youtube=425,350]TB5-Y08qbjo[/youtube]
I think the name for this should be changed to Pig AIDS.
congressman paul is my mother fucking hero.
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 29, 2009, 07:06 PM
I think the name for this should be changed to Pig AIDS.
Lmao!
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 29, 2009, 07:20 PM
congressman paul is my mother fucking hero.
Yup. Its a shame he couldn't be our president.
Quoteand Mr. Sinister, yes there is a treatment for this flu. You use the exact same anti virals that you use for every other flu. Its all good, just go to the DR. if you have flu like symptoms, but put a mask on first.
Yeah it makes sense that there would be a treatment but my buddies told me that they heard on the news that so far there is no treatment. But yeah, that's national TV for you, making everyone panic.
Quote from: Variable on Apr 29, 2009, 03:38 AM
Dude, the whole base is in a frenzy over this shit. My medical officer was trying to get me to waste all of my funding for this quarter to buy supplies just incase we have to test the entire world for this shit. Yeah, I shut that down with the quickness. Then everyone in the hospital is walking around with mask on. So then all the marines think that every single little sneeze is the " hog flu " and come in 10 at a time every 15 min because they think they have it. And they are like genuinely scared even though the only thing wrong with them is like some mild diarrhea or something stupid. GOD THIS IS LAME.
But you guys got the conspiracy theories all wrong. This is really easy to see though after SARS and the bird flu. The pharmaceutical companies have to produce so many anti virals each flu season for 1. just in case, and 2. because the CDC is going to want so many pills to be on stock just in case ( it takes about 10 pill per flu patient ) So at the end of a flu season when shit DIDN'T go crazy and they still have a big ass stock of these pills that they had to pay to produce but got no return on. They make up a pandemic story, get their buddies in the media to talk about nothing else then forcing the white house and CDC to respond. They make this story one that of course is a super killer flu. That way doctors feel morally obligated to prescribe antivirals to any patients with symptoms, even before a confirmation can be made. Thus emptying the shelves of the anti virals and filling the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies. Because between all the legit flu cases still going around, and just straight up people being so scared that they have it, that they actually make themselves believe they do, those prescriptions will happen. And that my friends is how the American economy works, through fear. Vote yes on the next stimulus bill and government expansion bill or else they will make more shit up to scare you about.
We live in such a shitty world...
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 29, 2009, 07:20 PM
congressman paul is my mother fucking hero.
we live in bad times when someone who is against homosexuality and abortion becomes someones hero.
Quote from: mr.sinister on Apr 29, 2009, 08:52 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 29, 2009, 07:20 PM
congressman paul is my mother fucking hero.
Yup. Its a shame he couldn't be our president.
yeah, the country would be undergoing real change. It would be amazing.
Thanks for posting that video alvarez
Quote from: mr.sinister on Apr 29, 2009, 08:52 PM
Quoteand Mr. Sinister, yes there is a treatment for this flu. You use the exact same anti virals that you use for every other flu. Its all good, just go to the DR. if you have flu like symptoms, but put a mask on first.
Yeah it makes sense that there would be a treatment but my buddies told me that they heard on the news that so far there is no treatment. But yeah, that's national TV for you, making everyone panic.
I think people are just getting the language confused. I have heard the news say multiple times that the antivirals work on this stran. But there is not vaccination. So they can't make you immune to this stran yet, but they can treat you once you get it.
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 29, 2009, 10:51 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 29, 2009, 07:20 PM
congressman paul is my mother fucking hero.
we live in bad times when someone who is against homosexuality and abortion becomes someones hero.
Ok, I know this is way off subject for this thread, but I can't let this go unchallenged.
Dude, are you fucking high? Where are you getting your info from? Ron Paul is all about true civil liberties and true rights and freedoms. He may personally be against abortion ( mainly due to his work as an OBGYN doctor ) But if you read his book, he says that if he was president he would never try to make abortion illegal. In fact, he would get the federal government out of the issue all together and just let each state deal with it as they see fit. And he is all about letting gay people get married. He is pretty obviously a Christian, but he is not even willing to say that he believes homosexuality is a sin. Because the man is not filled with hate, and he believes in true equality regardless of personal beliefs. Get your facts straight.
[youtube=425,350]QGaBAb_oS84[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]EL1BOWC3No0[/youtube]
awesome videos. thanks trey! if i may call you trey, noticing the board elite does so ;)
Quote from: Variable on Apr 28, 2009, 04:21 AM
But apparently one marine from 29 palms actually had a lab confirmed case today.
I noticed that the news just started talking about this today. But you guys heard it here first two days ago. Now the base has all kinds of news vans outside of it. I saw a massive CNN van driving to town on my way home from work. Maybe they will try to interview me and I can be that cool guy that gets to say "no comment"
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 30, 2009, 12:43 AM
awesome videos. thanks trey! if i may call you trey, noticing the board elite does so ;)
yeah bro. I prefer it for people to call me by my name, and vice versa. But no one really does it around here so its hard for me to learn - remember names.
Quote from: Variable on Apr 30, 2009, 03:08 AM
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 30, 2009, 12:43 AM
awesome videos. thanks trey! if i may call you trey, noticing the board elite does so ;)
yeah bro. I prefer it for people to call me by my name, and vice versa. But no one really does it around here so its hard for me to learn - remember names.
hello, my name is mark. i think swine flu is bogus. i like sports. and i enjoy drinking beer.
*passes mic to next person*
im a kyle
Quote from: whodunit? on Apr 26, 2009, 05:06 PM
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Apr 26, 2009, 05:03 PM
we're fucked
meaning you, americans.
Because there definitely aren't suspected cases in the UK or anything.
Also, news just said 6 suspected cases in Washington state.
Trey, just because the death count numbers are low does NOT mean infection numbers are too. What if the infection numbers are ridiculously high and shit starts mutating?
swine flu is so last week.
Not if there are all of a sudden suspected cases near where I live.
Quote from: Variable on Apr 29, 2009, 11:16 PM
Quote from: mr.sinister on Apr 29, 2009, 08:52 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 29, 2009, 07:20 PM
congressman paul is my mother fucking hero.
Yup. Its a shame he couldn't be our president.
yeah, the country would be undergoing real change. It would be amazing.
Thanks for posting that video alvarezQuote from: mr.sinister on Apr 29, 2009, 08:52 PM
Quoteand Mr. Sinister, yes there is a treatment for this flu. You use the exact same anti virals that you use for every other flu. Its all good, just go to the DR. if you have flu like symptoms, but put a mask on first.
Yeah it makes sense that there would be a treatment but my buddies told me that they heard on the news that so far there is no treatment. But yeah, that's national TV for you, making everyone panic.
I think people are just getting the language confused. I have heard the news say multiple times that the antivirals work on this stran. But there is not vaccination. So they can't make you immune to this stran yet, but they can treat you once you get it.
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 29, 2009, 10:51 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 29, 2009, 07:20 PM
congressman paul is my mother fucking hero.
we live in bad times when someone who is against homosexuality and abortion becomes someones hero.
Ok, I know this is way off subject for this thread, but I can't let this go unchallenged.
Dude, are you fucking high? Where are you getting your info from? Ron Paul is all about true civil liberties and true rights and freedoms. He may personally be against abortion ( mainly due to his work as an OBGYN doctor ) But if you read his book, he says that if he was president he would never try to make abortion illegal. In fact, he would get the federal government out of the issue all together and just let each state deal with it as they see fit. And he is all about letting gay people get married. He is pretty obviously a Christian, but he is not even willing to say that he believes homosexuality is a sin. Because the man is not filled with hate, and he believes in true equality regardless of personal beliefs. Get your facts straight.
[youtube=425,350]QGaBAb_oS84[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]EL1BOWC3No0[/youtube]
no need to insult me that hard. it was just some info i got during the time where the presidental candidates have been introduced. not really sure about this. but in the first video he clearly says that marriage is a religious thing (which just describes the origin of this institution) and we both know how the religous leaders of this discourse think on that issue...
anyways. he seems to be a very strong libertarian and i dont think i could become comfortable with this position. (although you surely have to differ between debates where liberalism is one position)
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 30, 2009, 06:12 AM
Quote from: whodunit? on Apr 26, 2009, 05:06 PM
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Apr 26, 2009, 05:03 PM
we're fucked
meaning you, americans.
Because there definitely aren't suspected cases in the UK or anything.
Also, news just said 6 suspected cases in Washington state.
Trey, just because the death count numbers are low does NOT mean infection numbers are too. What if the infection numbers are ridiculously high and shit starts mutating?
6 suspected cases Hosh. Meaning that someone came in with flu like symptoms and everyone freaked out. Its all good bro, just relax.
The infection numbers would be showing by now. Every fucking idiot out there thinks they have swine flu every time they sneeze. I get so many people coming into my clinic every day thinking they have it. But they don't. If anyone meets the criteria to be a possible swine flu case, then we do a nasal flush on them, collect a sample, and send it to the lab. Then it gets confirmed. The incubation period is only like a day or two ( sorry I can't remember exactly ) So really, by now, we would know. And if it does mutate? Oh well? Then we can call it swine flue the sequel? The pharmaceutical companies get to offload more antivirals?
I'm not an expert here, but I don't think the flu virus is nearly as unstable as the rhinovirus ( common cold ) Thats why you can make vaccines for the flu, because it aint going to mutate or change. Good luck with your fear though.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 30, 2009, 06:12 AM
What if the infection numbers are ridiculously high and shit starts mutating?
(http://manhuntbysam.free.fr/Image13.jpg)
Then we are definitely fucked.
i woke up this morning and had a couple sneezes, i think i might have swine flu. better go to the ER.
oh and mutation? am i the only one that thinks that's kind of cool?
it's not like it could mutate into a dog with wheels or some shit like that. It would just mean that it would be more difficult to cure. I guess you knew that, and i just didn't feel sure of your internet irony.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Apr 30, 2009, 03:04 PM
i woke up this morning and had a couple sneezes, i think i might have swine flu. better go to the ER.
oh and mutation? am i the only one that thinks that's kind of cool?
better post your problems here
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,15520.0.html
Quote from: Variable on Apr 30, 2009, 12:31 PM
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 30, 2009, 06:12 AM
Quote from: whodunit? on Apr 26, 2009, 05:06 PM
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Apr 26, 2009, 05:03 PM
we're fucked
meaning you, americans.
Because there definitely aren't suspected cases in the UK or anything.
Also, news just said 6 suspected cases in Washington state.
Trey, just because the death count numbers are low does NOT mean infection numbers are too. What if the infection numbers are ridiculously high and shit starts mutating?
6 suspected cases Hosh. Meaning that someone came in with flu like symptoms and everyone freaked out. Its all good bro, just relax.
The infection numbers would be showing by now. Every fucking idiot out there thinks they have swine flu every time they sneeze. I get so many people coming into my clinic every day thinking they have it. But they don't. If anyone meets the criteria to be a possible swine flu case, then we do a nasal flush on them, collect a sample, and send it to the lab. Then it gets confirmed. The incubation period is only like a day or two ( sorry I can't remember exactly ) So really, by now, we would know. And if it does mutate? Oh well? Then we can call it swine flue the sequel? The pharmaceutical companies get to offload more antivirals?
I'm not an expert here, but I don't think the flu virus is nearly as unstable as the rhinovirus ( common cold ) Thats why you can make vaccines for the flu, because it aint going to mutate or change. Good luck with your fear though.
Went from 0 to 6 in one night. I don't like that.
I really am trying not to worry about it though, considering how little I trust the media. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole swine flu thing is just a diversion from the real news, whatever that is.
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 29, 2009, 10:51 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 29, 2009, 07:20 PM
congressman paul is my mother fucking hero.
we live in bad times when someone who is against homosexuality and abortion becomes someones hero.
we live in worse times when everybody feels the need to jump to ridiculous conclusions on both sides of the political spectrum. wtf is the matter with you man? i don't remember you ever posting all this negative shit before.
that Ron Paul video on abortion was pretty good, i loved the end, when he pretty much said he'd rather take a bullet to the dome than vote for one of the other nominees haha. what a guy.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 30, 2009, 06:55 AM
Not if there are all of a sudden suspected cases near where I live.
I know what you mean...
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Apr 30, 2009, 08:11 PM
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 29, 2009, 10:51 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 29, 2009, 07:20 PM
congressman paul is my mother fucking hero.
we live in bad times when someone who is against homosexuality and abortion becomes someones hero.
we live in worse times when everybody feels the need to jump to ridiculous conclusions on both sides of the political spectrum. wtf is the matter with you man? i don't remember you ever posting all this negative shit before.
that Ron Paul video on abortion was pretty good, i loved the end, when he pretty much said he'd rather take a bullet to the dome than vote for one of the other nominees haha. what a guy.
negative shit? what is wrong with critizizing homophobes? if ron paul isnt a homophobe than i have to say sorry: i based that statement on wrong facts.
i havent watched the abortion video yet. so i cant comment on that. but i commented the homo-marriage-video above.
Exactly...criticizing him on FALSE facts. Ron Paul stands for LIBERTY and FREEDOM...unlike the presidents we've had for the past 20 years.
I know this video has nothing to do with "Swine Flu" [US officials have decided to change the name of the flu to 2009 H1N1 flu] but its something we should all see...
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And whats with the WHO [World Health Organization] raising the the flu up to level 5? One step below a full blown pandemic...wtf....don't give in, resist flu shots.
Another interesting video...
http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/breaking-news-loss-of-civil
Tamiflu Corp. predicted a 531% increase of sales in 2008
http://www.chugai-pharm.co.jp/pdf/annual_report/2009/eAR2009_12_04.pdf
"...For the year, we forecast sales of Tamiflu to reach ¥53.0
billion, up 531.0%, due to expected resumption of government
stockpiling in FY2009 and the ongoing recovery
of the prescription rate for seasonal influenza..."
(http://api.ning.com/files/lvPpF*vbrnZAlmzR-eTKX7Ln3IOIO4ZE9Gd*yXqX*NLg2pF2Nd05qNBVFsIeLp3RyS92dXULqz98bxO8xULof0YX1wez8EAY/1.jpg)
HMMMM.....how did they know this?
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Apr 30, 2009, 10:44 PM
Exactly...criticizing him on FALSE facts. Ron Paul stands for LIBERTY and FREEDOM...unlike the presidents we've had for the past 20 years.
I know this video has nothing to do with "Swine Flu" [US officials have decided to change the name of the flu to 2009 H1N1 flu] but its something we should all see...
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And whats with the WHO [World Health Organization] raising the the flu up to level 5? One step below a full blown pandemic...wtf....don't give in, resist flu shots.
@whoudunit: here is your proof of jerry hating the jews. just watch the video he posted. and of course its not an open antisemitism as we know from nazi-germany.
whoever thinks that your own property is something noone has the right to take away should reflect on all the processes involved that gave you this property and tell me if everything with that process is completely fine. or could it be that there were some injustices with capitalistic that accumulate money by exploiting others and perhaps it is a good thing ov the government to take taxes and give them away to those who really need your money (may it be in your own country or another country).
im really wondering that some of you, who i thought would be critics of capitalism, support the idea of liberalism that much.
someone who influenced me is John Rawls. especially his concept of the "original position" and his two principles of justice.
@topic: just dont underestemate the media. try to be attentive of what is just silly panic-news or could be lobbying but i think the who has reasons to do so. they dont know the flu that well so y should they say that everything will be ok.
Actually, I don't hate jews. Sorry...you're mistaken.
no u
mmmmm....nope. You're still wrong.
Can you stop with the slandering? The only people I hate are the globalists and black people. Not jews. Get it straight.
i still havent understand that antisemitism can work without jews and has many other faces.
why dont u just try to find out in how far your video could be antisemitic...
(i dont really know, why Badnarik brought this example as liberalism could be explained very good without antisemitic examples.)
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Apr 30, 2009, 05:02 AM
Quote from: Variable on Apr 30, 2009, 03:08 AM
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 30, 2009, 12:43 AM
awesome videos. thanks trey! if i may call you trey, noticing the board elite does so ;)
yeah bro. I prefer it for people to call me by my name, and vice versa. But no one really does it around here so its hard for me to learn - remember names.
hello, my name is mark. i think swine flu is bogus. i like sports. and i enjoy drinking beer.
*passes mic to next person*
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 30, 2009, 05:31 AM
im a kyle
Mark and Kyle. Funny how I'm pretty sure we have been talking for a year or more and I never knew that. Ill try to remember. I just fucking suck at names.
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 30, 2009, 12:08 PM
no need to insult me that hard. it was just some info i got during the time where the presidental candidates have been introduced. not really sure about this. but in the first video he clearly says that marriage is a religious thing (which just describes the origin of this institution) and we both know how the religous leaders of this discourse think on that issue...
anyways. he seems to be a very strong libertarian and i dont think i could become comfortable with this position. (although you surely have to differ between debates where liberalism is one position)
I really wasn't trying to be insulting. I just come off like that sometimes. Guess I kind of have a condescending personality. Plus I ( and obviously others ) get pretty defensive when it comes to the guy. I have invested a lot of time trying to get to know the true Ron Paul to see if he really is as great as I think he is. So far, I have no reason to believe otherwise.
But on the gay marriage thing. I think what he is trying to say is that the issue is irrelevant to the federal government. Marriage is a religious practice. So if a church wants to wed homosexuals, cool. If not, cool. That is their freedom to do as they choose. But the federal government should not be involved in such a thing because it is way overstepping their boundaries. But he does believe in true freedoms , liberties, and rights for all. So he believes that homosexuals and heterosexuals alike should share the same rights. So if heterosexuals get tax breaks and hospital visitation rights ect ect for getting married under their religious institutions, then so should homosexuals.
He mentioned that marriage is defined in the dictionary, thus we don't need to define it through the government. I looked up marriage on http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marriage (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marriage) and although it had many definitions that specifically said a man and a woman. There were plenty that did not. I thought this was a good one " A union between persons that is recognized by custom or religious tradition as a marriage. " So by his own words, this among many other definitions defines marriage and we should respect that. Ron Paul may have lifestyle habits and religious beliefs that do not agree with a lot of people in America. But the beauty of him is that he does not believe in letting that affect his political decisions. He will defend your rights even if he doesn't personally agree with them. I have even seen him refuse to say bad things about homosexuals when people tried using his religious beliefs against him to get him to say bad things about homosexuals like " well doesn't the bible say that homosexuality is a sin?" He gracefully denies to fall into such traps. Because politics and religious beliefs are two separate things to a true conservative and republican. The world could learn a lot from him. Ron Paul always defaults to the constitution. And I know that if gay marriage went to the supreme court, they would legalize it.
As far as him being a libertarian , no. He is a republican and has been for many years. He is a true republican, and a true conservative. You are just not used to seeing a true republican and conservative anymore because they rarely exist anymore.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Apr 30, 2009, 10:44 PM
Exactly...criticizing him on FALSE facts. Ron Paul stands for LIBERTY and FREEDOM...unlike the presidents we've had for the past 20 years.
I know this video has nothing to do with "Swine Flu" [US officials have decided to change the name of the flu to 2009 H1N1 flu] but its something we should all see...
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And whats with the WHO [World Health Organization] raising the the flu up to level 5? One step below a full blown pandemic...wtf....don't give in, resist flu shots.
Another interesting video...
http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/breaking-news-loss-of-civil
good video. Very good point.
Oh and hosh. I asked a doctor I worked with today more about the virus mutating. I guess the flu virus actually mutates a lot. Thats why the flu shot doesnt always work ( obviously thats the simple answer ) But chances are that even if it does mutate, it will be no big deal. Just yet another flu strand that is susceptible to antivirals and traditional treatments.
The main thing to remember, is that this flu is no different than the regular seasonal flu that you have been exposed to since you were born. It is no more lethal or infectious.
The reason that people started paying attention to it ( to which the media heard about and blew WAY out of proportion ) Is that swine flu happens every year. But usually only from pig to pig. Occasionally is moves from pig to human but stops there. Very rarely does it move from pip to pip to pig to human to human to human. So it raised some eyebrows at the WHO and CDC and CNN had a field day with it. Lame.
and nailec, the news shouldn't care be cause all the healthcare experts and disease experts are not very concerned about it. Thats why the news should ignore it.
oh and bud, that video was in no way antisemitic. He was just using the Jews in Nazi Germany as an example of why it is bad to wait to stand up for your rights. It was an example of not standing up for yourself earlier, and paying the price. He was trying to say " lets never let this shit happen again " and somehow all you heard was " fuck jews " You need to get over your super sensitivity to people talking about Jews.
Careful of the Bacon AIDS, fellas.
Quoteoh and bud, that video was in no way antisemitic. He was just using the Jews in Nazi Germany as an example of why it is bad to wait to stand up for your rights. It was an example of not standing up for yourself earlier, and paying the price. He was trying to say " lets never let this shit happen again " and somehow all you heard was " fuck jews " You need to get over your super sensitivity to people talking about Jews.
hehe i will say it again. modern antisemitism is more subliminal than u think. i believe him that Badnarik doesnt want Auschwitz to happen again (see Adornors new categorial imperative: to arrange our circumstances that auschwitz never happens again). nonetheless he made an antisemitic argument which is the following:
making the jews responsible to a certain extend on their elimination. what he says is histrocial revisionism that would make every survivor of the shoah slap you in the face.
1.)antisemitic ressentiment wasnt something that hitler invented. it has a long tradition with roots in the Judas-story of the bible. by the time Hitler came to the might, it was something very common (not only) amongst germans. this antisemitism was amplified by the world financial crisis and its interpretation by the nazis. (a lot of actual comments on the financial crisis use antisemitic arguments, too. of course the minority of managers arent jews but they are assaulted with identical reproaches as the nazis made to the jews. if you say that all managers are responsible for the crisis because they want to rule the world with all their money there is no difference to the jewish cliché. an adequate analysis would see the managers as a result of the problem that caused the crisis)
2.)there was a jewish resitance in nazi germany. he says they made no attempt to confront hitler. i dont think they would have been able to do so at anytime. what hitler wrote was widely accepted making it impossible for jews to stand up against him.
3.)whats the shit he says about the star of david. i dont know exactly when this was brought up in nazi germany but i am sure the jews didnt feel pride or anything. they had fear and the tried to escape from germany. the david star meant just more trouble to them. it aimed to humiliate them, not to make them walk through the streets of germany with their nose to the air.
4.)how can he dare to say that jews didnt defend theirselves from the events of reichskristallnacht? by claiming this he gives the jews a part of reponsibility of what happened to them and this idea is disturbing. SS, SA and many many more other violent germans arent something, u can stand up against with no weapons at all. its not that there was a jewish army in germany. they tried to assimilate into the society. a necessary condition of freedom is the ability to be autonom. in so far, yeah the jews had a problem with freedom. their problem surely wasnt that they havent made use of their freedom. they had no freedom at all.
5.)conclusio: Badnarik bases his argumentation on very dangerous ground. why does he choose this example? it was the worst thing to do in order to tell us that freedom is a good thing. he fails to see that they are differences between our situation and the historical situation of the jews in nazi germany. by even comparing those situations he relativizes the holocaust and makes himself an antisemit. the problem of the jews was not that didnt had the balls to stand up against their surpressors.
6.)out of those historical events it is necessary to be super sensitive when people start speaking about jews. espeacially when you live in germany and have that special responsibilty.
7.) badnariks term of liberty is pretty weak. actually the only thing he adresses is the right to posess something and to defend your posessions. at 2:48 he clearly says that we are able to say "no". the speaks way to abstract. he should use examples. there is a difference between cutting your freedom to posess a gun and the freedom of speech. its very important to differ between these things. therefore i think its dangerous to say that liberty/freedom is the absolutely highes value we have. liberty and equality are dichtomous. none of them can be identified with pure justice.
oh probablly one of the most important thing, i forgot to mention.
is he adressing the whole american people? how can u think of a scenario like the holocaust to be commited on yourself? i mean it was done by the majority on a minority. i highly doubt, americans would kill themselves at some point. of course you still can cut a lot of freedom without the people to go crazy and this progress has to be critizized. but you cant think of a genocide commited on yourself. in so far his comparision is even worse.
Ok. After reading that it is now clear to me that you have absolutely misinterpreted what the guy was trying to say. I don't know if its because of a language barrier or just because he used Jews as an example and you are like the worlds most sensitive Jew ever. He could have used the African slave trade as an example and you would probably totally be ok with it.
Long story short. We have a government to protect us. Police, Military, and Law. Our government protects our property, rights, freedoms, liberties, ect ect. What he is trying to say is " What happens when government stops protecting you, and starts taking advantage of you? " This is most classically shown in Jews not having a nation of their own pre WW2. And the result was catastrophic. So of course he is going to use the Holocaust as an example, it is the most relevant example to what he is trying to communicate. Regardless of if you and some super paranoid author you read get offended every time someone says the world Jew or not.
im not a jew ;)
and i agree. holocaust happened because (this now made sound stupid or flat) everyone became evil, even the law.
and i wouldnt be fine if he used the african slave trade as an example. they also had no chance to escape that because if inferior technology.
this guy is a libertarian and uses this example to justify liberalism.
imperialism and nazism are ideologies that go much farther than being a problem of liberties. of course both ideologies massively violted liberties of people. but again. cutting those liberties is one part of the whole. its not the aim. the aim of imperialists or nazis wasnt to steal everyones liberties. this was just a necessary ingredient.
just as both ideologies didnt give a shit about equality, human dignity etc.
there is nothing wrong with his message to watch your liberties and freedom. the historical situations are just so totally different that it is so damn wrong to compare. there was no such thing as a critical public sphere that could have helped the africans/jews. the difference between the societies is something you have to reflect before comparing them. it is possible that we go back to a society without democracy and its benefits but this is something i dont see at the moment. therefore it is nothing more than a polemic.
the problem i have with the video is not the message. i just doubt that the jews ever had the chance to prevent what was following because they had no supporters. today we are talking about things that seem to be ridiculous compared to that. whether or not we should be allowed to have guns or how much income a top manager could get. those controversies hit the whole society and not just a minority that noone cares about.
to care for others should be a consequence of the holocaust. radical liberlism cant accomplish that. social democracy can for the price of some liberties.
http://www.iheartjews.com/2009/04/jewish-x-men-origins-jewish-wolverine.html
My son got a newsletter today from the school board talking about this. But there are no cases in Tn. But they did close down a few schools in Nashville cause people showed "flu like symptoms". Fuck,I should make my kid act sick so school will be closed for a week.
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/
Up to date with state confirmations.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on May 01, 2009, 12:31 AM
mmmmm....nope. You're still wrong.
Can you stop with the slandering? The only people I hate are the globalists and black people. Not jews. Get it straight.
fuckin' racist.
Haha my mom just called to make sure I'm washing my hands more because of swine flu. When she said this I laughed and she got upset that I wasn't taking it serious.
Quote from: whodunit? on May 01, 2009, 11:09 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on May 01, 2009, 12:31 AM
mmmmm....nope. You're still wrong.
Can you stop with the slandering? The only people I hate are the globalists and black people. Not jews. Get it straight.
fuckin' racist.
irony and the internet don't mix.
I just saw the best headline ever on this norwegian news site:
"Norwegian woman does not have swine-flu"
shit! we better watch out.
*gets the mic that was lost somewhere*
hi, i'm beto. i live in mexico and i don't (still) have swine flu. peace.
*gives the mic to another person*
Quote from: Crazylegs on May 03, 2009, 08:32 PM
I just saw the best headline ever on this norwegian news site:
"Norwegian woman does not have swine-flu"
shit! we better watch out.
that's greatness
Quote from: bright lights, big city on May 03, 2009, 09:55 PM
Quote from: Crazylegs on May 03, 2009, 08:32 PM
I just saw the best headline ever on this norwegian news site:
"Norwegian woman does not have swine-flu"
shit! we better watch out.
that's greatness
+1
I found this and I thought it was interesting and related with this topic. Besides it was made by one of my favorite mexican film makers, Alfonso Cuarón.
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Good video. I agree with a lot of it. I disagree with a couple things. But they are probably irrelevant to the conversation and not worth bringing up. But all in all I like it. It sort of eerily suggest that possibly the government could be using swine flu as a way to take more control over our health care ( IE federalize it ) Im not saying I actually believe this or think its true. But the video suggest it is a path that could happen. "any crisis, real or perceived" Right?
Quote from: Variable on May 04, 2009, 03:43 AM
It sort of eerily suggest that possibly the government could be using swine flu as a way to take more control over our health care ( IE federalize it ) Im not saying I actually believe this or think its true. But the video suggest it is a path that could happen. "any crisis, real or perceived" Right?
Exactly
this video isnt antisemitic :D
but be careful with Naomi Klein ;)
The republicans created this disease as an effort and excuse to close the borders or at the very least stir up the idea like they did. but then they threw the disease in new york to throw everyone off from the thought.
Quote from: Earthman on May 05, 2009, 12:55 AM
The republicans created this disease as an effort and excuse to close the borders or at the very least stir up the idea like they did. but then they threw the disease in new york to throw everyone off from the thought.
Obama is going to finish the job.
lollerz
edited by jonas cuaron? that you man?
remember when nothing ever happened with this? LOL
america is dirty like every hooker in vegas...you DON'T want to fuck
Quote from: lithium on May 05, 2009, 02:49 AM
edited by jonas cuaron? that you man?
no, he's the son of Alfonzo Cuaron the director of Children of Men.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on May 06, 2009, 11:24 PM
remember when nothing ever happened with this? LOL
yeah i havent heard anything in a couple of days. seems to have lost its fashion
Just another plot to kill innocent central americans for the sake of drug trafficking. These are the real crimes done in the name of the war on drugs, the ones that get past peoples head cause they believe what they read and they see.
Quote from: wither-I on May 07, 2009, 04:09 PM
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on May 06, 2009, 11:24 PM
remember when nothing ever happened with this? LOL
yeah i havent heard anything in a couple of days. seems to have lost its fashion
yeah everything is getting on track again. I still thinking there is something behind all this shit
of course there is. must sell vaccines. money money money. all in all its made . somebody just got richer
yeah and sadly it wasn't me
...why don't they just make some more fuckin money instead of taking it from us lol
cause it feels better to win at the same time.
this has to be one of the lamest "pandemics" ever.
not as lame as the 1975 swine flu ;D
even lamer it was you say? i can't say i remember it.
But i prefer pandemics to be lame.
Afghanistan quarantines its only pig
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/05/06/afghanistan_amply_protected_from_swine_flu (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/05/06/afghanistan_amply_protected_from_swine_flu)
oh Jesus Christ......
ha ha that's awesome.... :)
So now WHO has declared that was are at level 6....the swine flu is pandemic now. Stupid.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 11, 2009, 08:23 PM
So now WHO has declared that was are at level 6....the swine flu is pandemic now. Stupid.
We have 27 confirmed cases in New Zealand, go us.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 11, 2009, 08:23 PM
So now WHO has declared that was are at level 6....the swine flu is pandemic now. Stupid.
wow. youre such a big critic.
every serious newspaper is also telling you that swine flu is harmless in most cases.
typical behavior of conspiracy theorists. saying half of the truth.
the definition of swine flu was made before swine flu started. it just fits in this definition. would you prefer they called it a toaster?
what the fuck are you even saying?
Seriously, get off my fucking back.
Ignored.
Fucking tranny.
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GENEVA – The World Health Organization has told its member nations it is declaring a swine flu pandemic — the first global flu epidemic in 41 years.
The move came Thursday as infections climbed in the United States, Europe, Australia, South America and elsewhere.
In a statement sent to member countries, WHO says it decided to raise the pandemic alert level from phase 5 to 6, meaning that a global outbreak of swine flu has begun. The decision was made after the U.N. health agency held an emergency meeting on swine flu with its experts.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090611/ap_on_he_me/un_un_swine_flu
yeah I have absolutely no idea what he was saying either
But fuck what the WHO says. Swine flu is over. We had to do so many fucking daily reports on that shit and report every single ass hole with a cough and shit. Navy medicine was driving swine flu into the ground. But now all thats stopped. Believe me, if they stopped, its over.
well. jerry is calling the move by the WHO stupid.
so what kind of critique is that actually?
im saying they have a definition of what a pandemic is. they decided that swine flu fullfilled this definition.
if you just give the WHO 10 seconds and read their definition you will see that it has absoluteley nothing to do with its ability of being lethal.
the guys at WHO aren`t stupid. they know this virus isn`t as dangerous as some people feared at the beginning.
everyone just calm down and stop the bite reflex when the name WHO is dropped.
jesus
Dude, swine flu is lame. I don't give a fuck how many countries it hit. The only reason the WHO is still talking about it is to ride the wave of tamiflu sales. Get over it.
Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2009, 04:09 AM
Dude, swine flu is lame. I don't give a fuck how many countries it hit. The only reason the WHO is still talking about it is to ride the wave of tamiflu sales. Get over it.
Exactly...I was just reporting on the current state of the flu. Fuck CHAN!
Quote from: Nailec on Jun 12, 2009, 12:33 AM
well. jerry is calling the move by the WHO stupid.
so what kind of critique is that actually?
im saying they have a definition of what a pandemic is. they decided that swine flu fullfilled this definition.
if you just give the WHO 10 seconds and read their definition you will see that it has absoluteley nothing to do with its ability of being lethal.
the guys at WHO aren`t stupid. they know this virus isn`t as dangerous as some people feared at the beginning.
everyone just calm down and stop the bite reflex when the name WHO is dropped.
jesus
yeah, but people are just going to read the parts about "meaning the global epidemic has begun" or just simply the word "pandemic," not their definition of it. that's the message that's going to come across, not that it's not really a big deal. it's still fear mongering simply to sell vaccines.
I had a lovely moment about swine flu.
We were in a supermarket and my friend just had a bad cough, like a really bad one (he before then went to the doctors, something about throat), and when he's done coughing, he said - 'oh that swine flu'..
man oh man you would not believe the reactions of the people, especially elder ones. they just started moving away from him as fast as possible. this is what media does to you.
hahaha... funny story lostpilot! :D
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jun 13, 2009, 06:07 AM
Quote from: Nailec on Jun 12, 2009, 12:33 AM
well. jerry is calling the move by the WHO stupid.
so what kind of critique is that actually?
im saying they have a definition of what a pandemic is. they decided that swine flu fullfilled this definition.
if you just give the WHO 10 seconds and read their definition you will see that it has absoluteley nothing to do with its ability of being lethal.
the guys at WHO aren`t stupid. they know this virus isn`t as dangerous as some people feared at the beginning.
everyone just calm down and stop the bite reflex when the name WHO is dropped.
jesus
yeah, but people are just going to read the parts about "meaning the global epidemic has begun" or just simply the word "pandemic," not their definition of it. that's the message that's going to come across, not that it's not really a big deal. it's still fear mongering simply to sell vaccines.
Ew I could read what he said cuz you quoted it.
Anyways, Thanks for getting across what my intentions were. This fearmongering that they do is sickening and its only getting stronger because its flu season in the southern hemisphere.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jun 13, 2009, 06:07 AM
Quote from: Nailec on Jun 12, 2009, 12:33 AM
well. jerry is calling the move by the WHO stupid.
so what kind of critique is that actually?
im saying they have a definition of what a pandemic is. they decided that swine flu fullfilled this definition.
if you just give the WHO 10 seconds and read their definition you will see that it has absoluteley nothing to do with its ability of being lethal.
the guys at WHO aren`t stupid. they know this virus isn`t as dangerous as some people feared at the beginning.
everyone just calm down and stop the bite reflex when the name WHO is dropped.
jesus
yeah, but people are just going to read the parts about "meaning the global epidemic has begun" or just simply the word "pandemic," not their definition of it. that's the message that's going to come across, not that it's not really a big deal. it's still fear mongering simply to sell vaccines.
not a problem and the fault of the who. plz go and blame your media for it.
all articles i read on the issue in german media clearly said that H5N1 almost always takes a harmless process.
i just randomly searched for an example:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/world/12who.html?_r=1
3rd break: "But the pandemic is "moderate" in severity, she noted, with the overwhelming majority of patients experiencing only mild symptoms and a full recovery, often in the absence of any medical treatment"
i can only assume two things:
1.)you read the wrong media
2.)the people around you never learned to read properly and make good interpretations.
should the media adopt to the niveau of those retards just because they cant read and understand texts?
oh and i want to remind you who actually foments panic. let me just quote:
"Since when did nature create a flu that is a mix of human, bird, and swine flu...this is all orchestrated."
(by jerry, see page 2) the first assoziation i have with "orchestrated" is of course "orchestra" whats are the attributes of orchestras? they are a perfectly and rationally planed entireness. only humans are capable to make orchestras. so jerry thinks this flu was created by evil humans.
woaaahhh!!! im scared.
btw: this argumentation is just so typical for jerry. it has its roots in the time of the "black death" where jews were burned because people blamed them for being responsible for the plague.
dont understand me wrong. jerry isnt pointing at the jews. the structure of his argument remains the same.
oh and please please quote me. jerry will go nuts when he reads that i, again, accused him for using secondary antisemitism. :D
a cousin of mine got the flu and has recovered well and vacationing in bali. he said it was better than a bad cold.
Quote from: Nailec on Jun 18, 2009, 12:34 PM
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jun 13, 2009, 06:07 AM
Quote from: Nailec on Jun 12, 2009, 12:33 AM
well. jerry is calling the move by the WHO stupid.
so what kind of critique is that actually?
im saying they have a definition of what a pandemic is. they decided that swine flu fullfilled this definition.
if you just give the WHO 10 seconds and read their definition you will see that it has absoluteley nothing to do with its ability of being lethal.
the guys at WHO aren`t stupid. they know this virus isn`t as dangerous as some people feared at the beginning.
everyone just calm down and stop the bite reflex when the name WHO is dropped.
jesus
yeah, but people are just going to read the parts about "meaning the global epidemic has begun" or just simply the word "pandemic," not their definition of it. that's the message that's going to come across, not that it's not really a big deal. it's still fear mongering simply to sell vaccines.
not a problem and the fault of the who. plz go and blame your media for it.
all articles i read on the issue in german media clearly said that H5N1 almost always takes a harmless process.
i just randomly searched for an example:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/world/12who.html?_r=1
3rd break: "But the pandemic is “moderate” in severity, she noted, with the overwhelming majority of patients experiencing only mild symptoms and a full recovery, often in the absence of any medical treatment"
i can only assume two things:
1.)you read the wrong media
2.)the people around you never learned to read properly and make good interpretations.
should the media adopt to the niveau of those retards just because they cant read and understand texts?
oh and i want to remind you who actually foments panic. let me just quote:
"Since when did nature create a flu that is a mix of human, bird, and swine flu...this is all orchestrated."
(by jerry, see page 2) the first assoziation i have with "orchestrated" is of course "orchestra" whats are the attributes of orchestras? they are a perfectly and rationally planed entireness. only humans are capable to make orchestras. so jerry thinks this flu was created by evil humans.
woaaahhh!!! im scared.
btw: this argumentation is just so typical for jerry. it has its roots in the time of the "black death" where jews were burned because people blamed them for being responsible for the plague.
dont understand me wrong. jerry isnt pointing at the jews. the structure of his argument remains the same.
oh and please please quote me. jerry will go nuts when he reads that i, again, accused him for using secondary antisemitism. :D
dude, its not about reading the right media. Have you ever experienced the media in the US? I can't even think of a word strong enough to describe how fucked up it is. The mass of people in America are too stupid, or too blind to see how fucked up their media is. And they are also too fucked up to do any independent research away from the major media outlets. So that is why this is so infuriating.
Jerry is mad because he knows that when the majority of US citizens see the word Pandemic, they freak the fuck out. The CDC knows this and the media outlets know this. That is why we are so pissed off and fed up with the fucking swine flu. Because every fucking person I know ( remember I work in the medical field ) comes to me freaking out about swine flu and waste my mask that I have to report the exact numbers I had sitting on my shelves to the Navy surgeon general 3 times a day, just because someone coughs or sneezes. Its fucking fear mongering and you know it.
And for real, you should quit with the antisemitism bull shit. Its fucking annoying and you're stretching it far beyond the point of illegitimacy.
s my d nailec
i'm still waiting to get the bird flu
You should suck more cocks I guess then....
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Quote from: Variable on Jun 21, 2009, 01:17 PM
Quote from: Nailec on Jun 18, 2009, 12:34 PM
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jun 13, 2009, 06:07 AM
Quote from: Nailec on Jun 12, 2009, 12:33 AM
well. jerry is calling the move by the WHO stupid.
so what kind of critique is that actually?
im saying they have a definition of what a pandemic is. they decided that swine flu fullfilled this definition.
if you just give the WHO 10 seconds and read their definition you will see that it has absoluteley nothing to do with its ability of being lethal.
the guys at WHO aren`t stupid. they know this virus isn`t as dangerous as some people feared at the beginning.
everyone just calm down and stop the bite reflex when the name WHO is dropped.
jesus
yeah, but people are just going to read the parts about "meaning the global epidemic has begun" or just simply the word "pandemic," not their definition of it. that's the message that's going to come across, not that it's not really a big deal. it's still fear mongering simply to sell vaccines.
not a problem and the fault of the who. plz go and blame your media for it.
all articles i read on the issue in german media clearly said that H5N1 almost always takes a harmless process.
i just randomly searched for an example:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/world/12who.html?_r=1
3rd break: "But the pandemic is “moderate” in severity, she noted, with the overwhelming majority of patients experiencing only mild symptoms and a full recovery, often in the absence of any medical treatment"
i can only assume two things:
1.)you read the wrong media
2.)the people around you never learned to read properly and make good interpretations.
should the media adopt to the niveau of those retards just because they cant read and understand texts?
oh and i want to remind you who actually foments panic. let me just quote:
"Since when did nature create a flu that is a mix of human, bird, and swine flu...this is all orchestrated."
(by jerry, see page 2) the first assoziation i have with "orchestrated" is of course "orchestra" whats are the attributes of orchestras? they are a perfectly and rationally planed entireness. only humans are capable to make orchestras. so jerry thinks this flu was created by evil humans.
woaaahhh!!! im scared.
btw: this argumentation is just so typical for jerry. it has its roots in the time of the "black death" where jews were burned because people blamed them for being responsible for the plague.
dont understand me wrong. jerry isnt pointing at the jews. the structure of his argument remains the same.
oh and please please quote me. jerry will go nuts when he reads that i, again, accused him for using secondary antisemitism. :D
dude, its not about reading the right media. Have you ever experienced the media in the US? I can't even think of a word strong enough to describe how fucked up it is. The mass of people in America are too stupid, or too blind to see how fucked up their media is. And they are also too fucked up to do any independent research away from the major media outlets. So that is why this is so infuriating.
Jerry is mad because he knows that when the majority of US citizens see the word Pandemic, they freak the fuck out. The CDC knows this and the media outlets know this. That is why we are so pissed off and fed up with the fucking swine flu. Because every fucking person I know ( remember I work in the medical field ) comes to me freaking out about swine flu and waste my mask that I have to report the exact numbers I had sitting on my shelves to the Navy surgeon general 3 times a day, just because someone coughs or sneezes. Its fucking fear mongering and you know it.
And for real, you should quit with the antisemitism bull shit. Its fucking annoying and you're stretching it far beyond the point of illegitimacy.
when i see some bad and dangerous argumentation, i point my finger on it. y shouldn`tIi?
no one of you ever tried to attack my arguments, it was just pure lame rants against me.
if you are naiv enough and only call someone an antisemit, when he or she actually killed jews, that is not my problem. go and read what science says on this topic.
dont you think there is a certain analogy between jerrys explanation of the swine flu and the explanation of the black death some hundred years ago? it is so typical for conspiracy theories that they try to make a small group responsible for the evil in the world.
-CIA/jews did 911
-iraq war was fought for oil
-americans never went to the moon
-etc. pp. you name it
conspiracy theories are an abbreviated way to explain the world and complex structures. thus they often enough make some minorities or individuals responsible for all the shit in the world. and i think that those tendencies that often enough threaten minorities, have to be countered. no tolerance for the intolerant.
dont you think there is a connection between all these statements made by jerry?
-he makes evil people responsible for the flu
-he quoted from american free press, a clearly antisemitic website
-he is a fan of alex jones, someone, who gives people like Cristopher Bollyn or David Icke a forum, who has several links to americanfreepress etc. (if you dont know these names, google them)
-Jerry once even opposed Zionism which is often enough just another way to say "i hate jews" (if not it reveals a lack of historical knowledge and an urgent need to study the jewish history)
i must say i have a pretty good collection of evidence against jerry and you tell me i am stretching all this?
ok this post must be a chaos, but i dont have any more time now. just keep on defending jerry and discuss with him as he if he is a rational subject.
Ok. I don't know how to break the bad news to you. But not every form of antigovernment or antisocial view points are anti Semitic. Just the same how you think its ridiculous that every piece of news some people come across, they make into a conspiracy theory. I thinks its completely ridiculous that you somehow make almost any statement that anyone makes into " ahhhh I hate jews ahhhh! " even when it clearly has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Hes talking about swine flu man, not black death. Hes bringing up questions about how a nearly harmless disease got so much world wide attention. How overnight this shit was knows world wide even though it had only been fatal to 3 Mexican citizens at the time. How the white house, CDC, FEMA and anyone else that knew ( or are supposed to know ) what they are talking about said that it wasn't a big deal and they weren't worried about it. But it still got non stop coverage in the news. How regular flu killed around 36,000 people this past flu season alone, but no isolation or quarantine or anything like that at all. How in a time of economic peril and losing quarters for everyone, tamiflu sales skyrocketed due to fear. YOU brought up the jews and this and that. Not Jerry.
To me, it is about 1000x more crazy to NOT ask questions and bring up the possibility of foul play with all the things that don't add up about H1N1. Oh yeah, they even changed the name of the disease when it was hurting pork sales. Can't fuck with the money.
And also to me, it seems that someone has brainwashed you. Its kind of sad actually, that you seem to be incapable of looking at the world in any other way than "OMG you guys!!!!! everyone is out to get Jews!!!!!!" Its just not true man. You need to get over it and get past it.
-Oh, and the war in Iraq was about oil. Among other things like defense contracts for private defense companies like the one our former vice president owned. ( how can anyone still deny this? )
-Prove to me that you know who actually did 911
-Prove to me that Americans DID go to the moon. You might also be interested to know that official governments of the UN ( like Japan for example. ) Dont believe America went to the moon either and are trying to disprove it by sending probes to look for the rovers. But the Japanese are probably all just Jew haters too and are somehow sticking it to the jews by trying to get the historical record correct. Ass holes.
^ Round of applause. You have a way with words..I bet that tongue does wonders!
lol, oh it does. I eat vagina like a champ.
So 600 million swine flu vaccinations will be ready at the beginning of fall....I will not be taking this.
what are you gonna do??
not take the vaccine.............thats what I will do. Thank god I work in medical and the Navy can't make me take it. I mean they can say I have to, but I can just document that I did even though I really didn't. And ill bet you anything that I don't die from swine flu.
I swear this is a fact ( I just don't have time to look it up now ) but the last time the government made a vaccine for swine flue ( in the 70s ) the vaccine killed more people than the disease did......
so appearantly there's a big scare that the flu will hit Sweden soon and lots of people will get sick. there's one guy in critical condition right now, I haven't heard what's happened over the last two days but I don't think he'll survive. still, that's only one guy. most likely it won't be a big outbreak like media makes it sound like.
Do you know how old he is?
so i am working for a newspaper at the moment and our editorial office got a mail that there is a new case of swine flu in our area.
we got a total of 4 now, whole germany counts 1818.
no one felt it was worth an article :D
Quote from: Nailec on Jul 22, 2009, 09:43 PM
no one felt it was worth an article :D
good
on another note. Have you looked up the statistics to see if h1n1 is infecting jews more than any other race? You know, so that you can call it an anti semite disease.
I haven't heard/read of swine flu cases in Israel...they must have created it!
No one seems to notice that Australia never seems to have any of these kind of problems *raises eyebrow*
I think the mass hysteria going on in the UK right now is a joke, they're diagnosing anyone with Flu symptons as having Swine Flu, it's stupid, so people are getting a fever, sore throat etc. and being told they have Swine Flu.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 12:41 AM
Quote from: Nailec on Jul 22, 2009, 09:43 PM
no one felt it was worth an article :D
good
on another note. Have you looked up the statistics to see if h1n1 is infecting jews more than any other race? You know, so that you can call it an anti semite disease.
hahahahahahahaha
i didnt expect, anyone could laugh about that cheap joke.
seems, i overestimated you guys
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 23, 2009, 10:53 AM
No one seems to notice that Australia never seems to have any of these kind of problems *raises eyebrow*
I think the mass hysteria going on in the UK right now is a joke, they're diagnosing anyone with Flu symptons as having Swine Flu, it's stupid, so people are getting a fever, sore throat etc. and being told they have Swine Flu.
Actually Australia had/has a really big scare. They are the first country to have someone injected with a swine flue/avian flu/ cocktail of a flu vaccine just yesterday or the day before.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jul 23, 2009, 07:25 AM
I haven't heard/read of swine flu cases in Israel...they must have created it!
Or they just killed it when it tried to come in. Because the Israeli military is bad ass.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 23, 2009, 10:53 AM
No one seems to notice that Australia never seems to have any of these kind of problems *raises eyebrow*
I think the mass hysteria going on in the UK right now is a joke, they're diagnosing anyone with Flu symptons as having Swine Flu, it's stupid, so people are getting a fever, sore throat etc. and being told they have Swine Flu.
dude, youre preaching to the choir. I dont know if you remember, but I work in Navy Medicine. Every mother fucker with a sneeze gets a nasal flush ( the test to see if you have swine flu ) and quarantined until the results come back. It is fucking ridiculous. You are at least supposed to be running a fever to meet the criteria. I have had a nasty ass cold kicking my ass all week. But I refuse to try and get some time to rest because I dont want to contribute to the H1N1 numbers. We are even ordering a shit ton of tamiflu to deploy with, just in case it hits Afghanistan. It is so fucking ridiculous.
Quote from: Nailec on Jul 23, 2009, 05:51 PM
i didnt expect, anyone could laugh about that cheap joke.
seems, i overestimated you guys
oh come on now snoockums. You know it was funny. And you know we still love your crazy Zionist ass.
Yeah it's just stupid.
I'm abit of an open minded person, i do dabble in abit of conspiracy and when rich corporations have an overflow of drugs they can't get rid of, pandemics like these seem all too convinient! Especially when people are being diagnosed with out any proper blood test or ANY fluid test of some sort.
Plus, people are running around, panicking, when they don't even realise it probably doesn't even exist and if it does, it's hardly in large numbers! Thousands upon thousands die of Flu here and America and all over the world. Most of the death count is probably normal flu and the media are whacking it up as Swine Flu, just to keep the panicking and hysteria flowing.
I don't buy it anyway, i find it hilarious when people do panick now though.
I totally believe that the hysteria was created by the pharmaceutical companies to dump off large amounts of anti virals. Thats not a conspiracy theory, its just logical and likely.
and last I checked, 36,000 died from the regular flu this past season in the US.....thats a shit ton more than h1n1. Where was the hysteria there?
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:06 PM
I totally believe that the hysteria was created by the pharmaceutical companies to dump off large amounts of anti virals. Thats not a conspiracy theory, its just logical and likely.
and last I checked, 36,000 died from the regular flu this past season in the US.....thats a shit ton more than h1n1. Where was the hysteria there?
Yeah the last i checked it was 200-300 thousand people die of flu in the America ALONE and here's people going ''omg a baby has died of swine flu, an old man has died of swine flu, someone has died of swine flu''
Oh yeah and you're gonna believe that just because the news has told you so.
The only significant thing about h1n1 was that very rarely does a swine flu go from pig to human to human to human. The human to human is just rare. But in now way is it any more deadly or resistant than a regular flu. Why can't people just figure this out?
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:11 PM
The only significant thing about h1n1 was that very rarely does a swine flu go from pig to human to human to human. The human to human is just rare. But in now way is it any more deadly or resistant than a regular flu. Why can't people just figure this out?
I didn't even think pigs could get it? even the Mexicans said it must be man made, right from the start.
There is a swine flu every year. Sometimes it goes from a pig to a human but usually stops there. Even more rarely it keeps going from human to human. I think the last time this happened was in the 70s.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:18 PM
There is a swine flu every year. Sometimes it goes from a pig to a human but usually stops there. Even more rarely it keeps going from human to human. I think the last time this happened was in the 70s.
Ahh i see, it's funny, when Michael Jackson died, the whole focus was on him and the fact that they would be treating any symptons as Swine Flu, was smacked in a little box on page 4 of the national newspapers!
I had glandular fever last month and the first thing the Dr asked me was '' i don't suppose you've just got back from Mexico have you??'' if i had said yes, i could garuntee he'd of diagnosed me with it and stocked me up with Tamiflu!!
Ridiculous man. Then i would've died because my throat closed up from swollen tonsills and then i'd be a 'swine flu death'
lol, that is a really good point actually. Thank god when I had systemic chlamydia a couple months ago the DR was smart enough to realize it wasnt swine and got me the proper meds!
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:27 PM
lol, that is a really good point actually. Thank god when I had systemic chlamydia a couple months ago the DR was smart enough to realize it wasnt swine and got me the proper meds!
Jesus, what's that? a hyper version of chylamydia? haha
lol. No its just a joke I make about myself. I had a pretty wild sexual experience in Vegas with a couple girls and I couldn't bust with a condom on so my drunk ass took it off. The next day I got really sick. Like my whole time in the Navy, I have never been seen at sick call. But every lymph node in my body was swollen, especially the ones in my pubic area. And I just felt like shit. I just caught some kind of fucked up bacterial thing. One shot of penicillin took care of it all. But I thought for sure it was an STD so I got a full check done, everything was negative. Just a coincidence.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 24, 2009, 12:08 AM
lol. No its just a joke I make about myself. I had a pretty wild sexual experience in Vegas with a couple girls and I couldn't bust with a condom on so my drunk ass took it off. The next day I got really sick. Like my whole time in the Navy, I have never been seen at sick call. But every lymph node in my body was swollen, especially the ones in my pubic area. And I just felt like shit. I just caught some kind of fucked up bacterial thing. One shot of penicillin took care of it all. But I thought for sure it was an STD so I got a full check done, everything was negative. Just a coincidence.
Ahh silly fucker lol i bet you panicked getting your results? although i've never heard of swollen lymph nodes and HIV going together!
But yeah, same for me, Glandular Fever is caught from kissing, so basically it's a nasty, dirty throat bacterial thing, you probably know this though, but two nights in hospital being drip fed anti-biotics blasted that motherfucker away!
Quoteoh come on now snoockums. You know it was funny. And you know we still love your crazy Zionist ass.
although ii dont know what a "snoockums" is, i admit it was kinda funny ;)
QuoteOr they just killed it when it tried to come in. Because the Israeli military is bad ass.
no need to tell that jerry. he is probablly like: omg israel is doing holocaust on palestine.
but hey in germany you earn the Federal Cross of Merit, first class these days for saying this:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443873531&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
;)
That does seem kind of weird. Why would she get any honors for saying that anyways? Shit, maybe I should move to Germany. I have totally said more brilliant things than that
consider you just read an article of the jerusalem posts. there are different positions on her in germany.
i got the impression most german journalists think that she shouldnt give back this medal.
i think its ok to stand up for surpressed palestine-people.
but this should work without just making israel responsible for the whole conflict.
btw: the medal seems worth a shit. even soccer-trainers got it.
someone who got this honor was once even a member in the "Waffen SS"
just promise not to build up germany again, if it ever starts a war again. somewhen its just enough. ;)
I wouldnt like ever try to make the 4th Reich or anything. But I wouldn't mind seeing the EU break up a bit into free societies again. I should probably just worry about the US for now though. Its bad enough here.
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DOD to require H1N1 flu vaccinations for all active-duty personnel
By Jennifer H. Svan, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Friday, September 4, 2009
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=64556
Starting this fall, all active-duty personnel will be required to get vaccinated against the H1N1 flu virus, Defense Department officials announced this week.
Health care workers, deploying troops, those serving on ships and submarines, and enlistees are among those who will get the vaccination first, said Army Dr. (Lt. Col.) Wayne Hachey, director of preventive medicine for Defense Department health affairs.
"Any place where we take a bunch of people, squash them all together ... and put them under stressful conditions will get the vaccine first," Hachey said during an interview Tuesday on the military's Pentagon Channel. "Flu on a submarine is a very bad thing. We'd rather prevent that if we can."
Hachey said he expects DOD to begin administering the vaccine in the first half of October. The department has purchased 2.7 million doses, according to Hachey.
He said the vaccine will also be available to DOD civilians and military family members who want it.
"The question will be when your turn will come," he said.
Military commands in Europe could not say Thursday when they expected to have the vaccine in hand.
"We're going to make sure everyone gets it this year," said Phil Tegtmeier, a U.S. Army Europe Regional Medical Command spokesman. "We're working on our own plan for administering the vaccine."
U.S. Air Forces in Europe will start vaccinating its troops for swine flu once supplies arrive, USAFE officials said Thursday, noting the program will likely occur at the same time as seasonal flu vaccinations. Active-duty personnel who have had adverse reactions to the regular influenza vaccine won't be required to get the H1N1 vaccine, USAFE officials said in an e-mail to Stars and Stripes.
Still uncertain is whether people will need one or two doses.
"The assumption right now is that people will need two doses, 21 days apart," Hachey said. "That may change."
If two doses are required, military members who deploy after their first inoculation will be able to receive a second round of the vaccination downrange, Hachey said.
The vaccine is still being tested in clinical trials. Swiss drug maker Novartis said Thursday that early results from human tests on one of its swine flu vaccines show it might work with just one dose.
Novartis is one of five manufacturers currently producing an H1N1 vaccine for the United States, according to USAFE.
As drug makers rush to develop a proven vaccine for swine flu, an official with the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said CDC will be monitoring the inoculations for safety.
"We're not expecting any unusual events associated with the vaccine," CDC spokesman Tom Skinner said Thursday, "since we're using the same sort of technology to produce the seasonal flu vaccine every year."
I hate jews.
so the virus is coming here to Sweden, there's this huge craze going on and they want us all to go get the vaccine. but I refuse. first of all, vaccines are kinda risky imo - you never know what they will do to your immune system. second, a friend who studies to become a nurse says the normal flu is more deadly than the swine flu. third, isn't this the perfect opportunity for the government to inject something into the entire population without us being aware of it? no thanks, I'd rather cough to death or whatever.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=swine_flu
Maddox isn't funny anymore.
yeah well your mum
H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic: Iowa Contemplates "Forced Confinement" in a "Quarantine Facility"
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By Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, September 4, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15064
Iowa public health officials have acknowledged the existence of a blank template entitled FACILITY QUARANTINE ORDER in the case of a Novel Influenza A H1N1 pandemic. The official press release states, however, that there is no draft or text of a "Quarantine Order" by the Iowa Department of Public Health.
Reported by the Iowa Independent:
"A quarantine template created by the Iowa Department of Public Health and accessible through the Centers for Disease Control Web site should not be of great concern, according to a press release from health department officials. 'IDPH wants to make it clear that Iowa has not issued any isolation and quarantine orders for novel influenza A (H1N1), and has no plans to issue any this fall,' officials wrote in the press release. See Health officials: Iowa quarantine document not cause for concern, Iowa Independent, Sept 1, 2009
The IDPH suggests in this regard that the drafting of public health templates is a routine undertaking, while also confirming that "in preparation for public health emergencies," ..."isolation and quarantine orders are only very rarely used in very specific situations." (emphasis added).
The last statement of the IDPH is notoriously ambiguous: If indeed isolation and quarantine orders are rarely used, why then was a template prepared which explicitly contemplates an ORDER pertaining to a QUARANTINE FACILITY? Moreover, the template was issued on May 1st, at the very outset of the H1N1 swine flu crisis in Mexico, barely two days after the WHO declared a level 5 pandemic advisory on April 29th.
Are we playing on words?
The template already contains the essential features of a formal QUARANTINE ORDER, which suggests that quarantine procedures are contemplated within the Iowa Department of Public Health. The result of these procedures have led to the formulation of the blank template.
The issue, therefore, is not whether a quarantine order has been activated. The issue is
1) the State of Iowa has contemplated a policy of "forced confinement",
2) at some future date, in the next few months, the blank template entitled FACILITY QUARANTINE ORDER could be activated with a view to actually implementing the quarantine precedures.
Also of significance is the fact that this template entitled FACILITY QUARANTINE ORDER has been endorsed by the Atlanta based Center for Disease Control (CDC), which has published the document on its website.The CDC is the main federal agency responsible for H1N1 pandemic preparedness in coordination with other governmental agencies including FEMA, Homeland Security, State and municipal governments, as well as in liaison with the WHO.
There are two quarantine documents on the CDC's website. The first refers to HOME QUARANTINE ORDER, the second to FACILITY QUARANTINE ORDER. (pdf)
Click to access the CDC page, which identifies both templates as CDC reference documents. Media reports pointed to "rumors swirling after a quarantine form was found by someone on the internet..." (See report on kimt.com, September 1, 2009)
We are not dealing with rumors. The FACILITY QUARANTINE ORDER document posted on the website of the CDC, a federal government agency, envisages quite explicitly "forced confinement" in the case of the H1N1 swine flu:
"The Department has determined that it is necessary to quarantine your movement to a specific facility to prevent further spread of this disease. The Department has determined that quarantine in your home and other less restrictive alternatives are not acceptable because [insert the reason home quarantine is not acceptable, the person violated a previously issued home quarantine order, the person does not have an appropriate home setting conducive to home quarantine, etc.] The Department is therefore ordering you to comply with the following provisions during the entire period of quarantine:
1. Terms of confinement. You are ordered to remain at the quarantine facility, _____________________ [insert name and address of facility], from ___________ to ____________ [insert dates of quarantine].
....
4. Legal authority. This order is issued pursuant to the legal authority contained at Iowa Code chapters 135, 139A and 641 Iowa Administrative Code chapter 1, a copy of which is labeled Attachment B and is attached to this order for your review. The Department shall comply with the principles for quarantine contained in subrule 1.9(3) of this attachment when issuing and implementing this order.
5. Ensuring compliance. In order to ensure that you strictly comply with this Quarantine Order the Department or persons authorized by the Department may regularly inspect the quarantine facility.
6. Violations of order. If you fail to comply with this Quarantine Order you may be ordered to be quarantined in a more restrictive facility. In addition, failure to comply with this order is a simple misdemeanor for which you may be arrested, fined, and imprisoned."
This is an official document of the Iowa State government, which has also been endorsed by the Centre for Disease Control (CDC). If it were a preliminary or internal draft, it would not have been published by the CDC. The question is whether similar quarantine procedures are being replicated in other states across America.
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The full text of the controversial Iowa Template is indicated below: To access the pdf version of the Template on the CDC website, click FACILITY QUARANTINE ORDER :
http://www2a.cdc.gov/phlp/docs/Facility%20Quarantine%20Order%20novelflu%20filled%20in%204-30-09.pdf
BEFORE THE IOWA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH
DIRECTED TO: [insert full name and address of subject of order]
[insert case #]
FACILITY QUARANTINE ORDER
The Iowa Department of Public Health (Department) has determined that you have had contact with a person with Novel Influenza A H1N1. Novel Influenza A H1N1 is a disease which is spread from person to person and is associated with fever (greater than 100.0 F), cough, sore throat, rhinorrhea (runny nose), nasal congestion, body aches, headache, chills and fatigue. Novel Influenza A H1N1 presents a risk of serious harm to public health and if it spreads in the community severe public health consequences may result.
The Department has determined that it is necessary to quarantine your movement to a specific facility to prevent further spread of this disease. The Department has determined that quarantine in your home and other less restrictive alternatives are not acceptable because [insert the reason home quarantine is not acceptable, the person violated a previously issued home quarantine order, the person does not have an appropriate home setting conducive to home quarantine, etc.] The Department is therefore ordering you to comply with the following provisions during the entire period of quarantine:
1. Terms of confinement. You are ordered to remain at the quarantine facility, _____________________ [insert name and address of facility], from ___________ to ____________ [insert dates of quarantine].
2. Requirements during confinement. During the period of quarantine:
a. You must not leave the quarantine facility at any time unless you have received prior written authorization from the Department to do so.
b. You must not come into contact with anyone except the following persons:
(i) other persons who are also under similar quarantine order at the quarantine facility;
(ii) authorized healthcare providers and other staff at the quarantine facility;
(iii) authorized Department staff or other persons acting on behalf of the Department; and
(iv) such other persons as are authorized by the Department.
c. Your daily needs, including food, shelter, and medical care, will be provided for you during the period of quarantine at the quarantine facility. You should bring clothing, toiletries, and other personal items with you to the quarantine facility. You will have limited access to a telephone at the quarantine facility. You may bring your cell phone with you should you desire to have greater access to a means of communication.
d. You should inform your employer that you are under quarantine order and are not authorized to physically come to the work place, although you may work from the facility via electronic or other means if appropriate. You should be aware that Iowa law prohibits an employer from firing, demoting, or otherwise discriminating against an employee due to the compliance of an employee with a quarantine order issued by the Department. (Iowa Code Section 139A.13A)
3. Information about Novel Influenza A H1N1. You should review the information contained at Attachment A for information about Novel Influenza A H1N1. You should refer to information provided at the quarantine facility to address specific concerns and questions you have about Novel Influenza A H1N1. In order to find out more information about Novel Influenza A H1N1 and its symptoms and spread, you may also access the Department's web-page at www.idph.state.ia.us. If you do not have access to the internet from the quarantine facility, you may contact the Department at 1-800-362-2736.
4. Legal authority. This order is issued pursuant to the legal authority contained at Iowa Code chapters 135, 139A and 641 Iowa Administrative Code chapter 1, a copy of which is labeled Attachment B and is attached to this order for your review. The Department shall comply with the principles for quarantine contained in subrule 1.9(3) of this attachment when issuing and implementing this order.
5. Ensuring compliance. In order to ensure that you strictly comply with this Quarantine Order the Department or persons authorized by the Department may regularly inspect the quarantine facility.
6. Violations of order. If you fail to comply with this Quarantine Order you may be ordered to be quarantined in a more restrictive facility. In addition, failure to comply with this order is a simple misdemeanor for which you may be arrested, fined, and imprisoned.
7. Your rights B appeal rights. While under quarantine you have the rights as described in subrule 1.9( of Attachment B. In addition, you have the right to appeal this order pursuant to subrule 1.9(7) of Attachment B.
(signed & dated)
DIRECTOR or MEDICAL DIRECTOR
IOWA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH
Lucas State Office Building
Des Moines, IA 50319
Attachments to this Order:
Attachment A — Facts About Novel Influenza A H1N1
Attachment B — 641 Iowa Administrative Code chapter 1
To access the second document click HOME QUARANTINE ORDER
http://www2a.cdc.gov/phlp/docs/Home%20Quarantine%20Order%20novelflu%20filled%20in%204-30-09.pdf
tl;dr
I'll get around to it when it isn't fucking 5:00am.
In other news, I am hella sick. Have been for a few days. I almost wanna get tested for swine flu. Pretty much for the sole reason of telling people I have swine flu and I'm not dead.
If you have a sore throat, cough, and a fever of over 101. Then get tested. If not, its a waste of time. The fever is the most important.
so; my brother had swine flu some two weeks ago. we're all still alive. WOW.
tell that to media
Ive been trying to tell that to everyone
the funny thing is it's five people in this house, one of them already had the flu some three months ago, my brother just had it and even though we're not cleaning-isolation-protection-crazy and stuff, none of us caught it. it's just the hype so pharmaceutic companies can make more money. what's next to come? I guess a new mutation.. and yeah, the old medicine totally does not work, and yeah, you need new shots.
i am thinking about moving to middle of nowhere, having a cow, chicken, fields of rice and no media around me :/
Quote from: Variable on Sep 08, 2009, 11:24 PM
If you have a sore throat, cough, and a fever of over 101. Then get tested. If not, its a waste of time. The fever is the most important.
I had all of those things plus the shits. No thermometer though, so who knows the actual temp.
Quoteand a fever of over 101
thats melting
uh. I don't know what that is equal to in Celsius. Normal Celsius is 37 so maybe......39? lol I'm sure I could google this
It only lasted three days though. So who knows. Got residual throat and sinus problems, but the fever and shits are gone and I am not hacking up a lung anymore.
Well obviously you can still get sick from everything that got you sick before swine flu. I have a feeling that a lot of these "confirmed cases" are just the doctors giving tamiflu for symptoms because they don't want to wait 3 days for the test to come back and risk getting sued if something happens to their patient.
Obviously.
Am I saying "OMG TRAY I HAV SUINE FLOO DIAGNOZE ME PLZ LOL"?
I'm just having a conversation you d bag
I'm sorry. Too much internet, not enough sleep, not enough getting out of the house.
Fuck this leg, jesus. 5 years ago I woulda been out and about in a couple weeks, not a couple months.
what changed?
No fucking idea.
It could be the bisphospenates but I didn't have enough over a long enough time to give me the mega shitty ultra fail side effect.
Yeah. I wouldn't know much about that at all. Sucks though. Hopefully this is just a fluke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoledronic_acid
That's the one I had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphosphonate
"There are concerns of long-term bisphosphonate use resulting in severe or over suppression of bone turnover especially at the femur sub-trochanteric region. It is thought that micro-cracks in the bone are unable to heal and eventually unite and propagate, resulting in atypical fractures. Such fractures tend to heal poorly and often require some form of bone stimulation, for example bone grafting as a secondary procedure. This complication is not common, and the benefit of overall fracture reduction still holds."
New a dude that had a perma-fracture in his left radius. What a wack place to be perma-broke. But that is the problem I am referring to.
This h1n1 shit is EVERYWHERE here! 10 kids went home from my sons class last week,and they aren't shutting down schools! Gawd I don't wanna get sick.
Seriously. Its probably all suspect. Anyone with a temp over 100 is declared to have h1n1. But be real. How many times have you or your kids or family had a temp over 100?
But yes, I hope you dont get sick
Hey sweety pie. Where've you been?
Quote from: Variable on Sep 24, 2009, 04:05 AM
Seriously. Its probably all suspect. Anyone with a temp over 100 is declared to have h1n1. But be real. How many times have you or your kids or family had a temp over 100?
But yes, I hope you dont get sick
farenheit sucks
Liberticide? France plans to use swine flu to gut laws
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The Raw Story
Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:07 UTC
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/08/france-swine-flu-gut-laws/
In case of a swine flu pandemic the French government has a plan to introduce emergency measures that would gut legal protections for citizens, the daily Liberation reported Tuesday.
According to documents provided to the daily by a judges and prosecutors' union, the plan would extend the period police can keep a suspect in detention without charge or a hearing before a judge to up to six months. Suspects would also not be able to contact a lawyer until after spending 24 hours in custody.
Under the plan children could be tried in adult courts and more trials held behind closed doors.
The original article from Liberation is behind a subscriber wall, but a commentary on the issue can be found here- http://www.liberation.fr/societe/0101589463-droits A (poor) Google translation of the commentary can be found here- http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.liberation.fr%2Fsociete%2F0101589462-notre-souci-preserver-la-democratie
The Syndicat de la Magistrature, a left-leaning union for judges and prosecutors, called the measures "revolting" and said they would amount to "liberticide," and called on Justice Minister Michele Alliot-Marie to abandon the plan.
The union was due to release on Tuesday the text of the government plan, which it said was provided to heads of courts in great secrecy in July, the newspaper reported.
Swine flu, or the A(H1N1) virus, the first pandemic to be declared by the World Health Organization in this century, has so far claimed 15 lives in France, out of at least 2,837 worldwide.
The French government has conducted extensive planning to prepare for an expected new wave of infections as the autumn flu season approaches in the northern hemisphere.
- With AFP
>:(Belgium Suspends Democracy and Civil Rights over "Swine Flu" Pandemic
The Flu Case
Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:35 EDT
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=699%3Abelgium-suspends-democracy-and-civil-rights-over-pandemic-emergency&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en
The Belgian parliament yesterday voted to give the government emergency dicatorial powers under the pretext of dealing with a pandemic emergency.
Belgium is the first country in Europe to formally suspend democracy and civic rights and to switch over to military rule under the authority of a "a special crisis committee" that answers ultimately to WHO and the UN.
WHO declared a pandemic emergency level 6 in June over the "swine flu" pandemic, allowing governments to activate "emergency measures" that suspend the operation of normal government and justice.
Earlier this summer, the Belgian Health Minister Laurette Onkelinx passed a decree allowing the police to be detailed to participate in "medical emergencies" on the mass vaccination and quarantine of the population.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Sep 25, 2009, 11:09 PM
>:(Belgium Suspends Democracy and Civil Rights over "Swine Flu" Pandemic
The Flu Case
Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:35 EDT
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=699%3Abelgium-suspends-democracy-and-civil-rights-over-pandemic-emergency&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en
The Belgian parliament yesterday voted to give the government emergency dicatorial powers under the pretext of dealing with a pandemic emergency.
Belgium is the first country in Europe to formally suspend democracy and civic rights and to switch over to military rule under the authority of a "a special crisis committee" that answers ultimately to WHO and the UN.
WHO declared a pandemic emergency level 6 in June over the "swine flu" pandemic, allowing governments to activate "emergency measures" that suspend the operation of normal government and justice.
Earlier this summer, the Belgian Health Minister Laurette Onkelinx passed a decree allowing the police to be detailed to participate in "medical emergencies" on the mass vaccination and quarantine of the population.
I'm Belgian, I can tell you, it's crap.
Cool.
Quote from: Nailec on Sep 24, 2009, 09:47 AM
Quote from: Variable on Sep 24, 2009, 04:05 AM
Seriously. Its probably all suspect. Anyone with a temp over 100 is declared to have h1n1. But be real. How many times have you or your kids or family had a temp over 100?
But yes, I hope you dont get sick
True. and Im a fan of the metric system
farenheit sucks
A friend of mine is getting over the swine flu right now. No vaccine or anything.
I asked her to cough into my mouth, but she lives a good hour and a half drive away and she doesn't have a car.
:/
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Sep 25, 2009, 11:07 PM
Liberticide? France plans to use swine flu to gut laws
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The Raw Story
Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:07 UTC
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/08/france-swine-flu-gut-laws/
In case of a swine flu pandemic the French government has a plan to introduce emergency measures that would gut legal protections for citizens, the daily Liberation reported Tuesday.
According to documents provided to the daily by a judges and prosecutors' union, the plan would extend the period police can keep a suspect in detention without charge or a hearing before a judge to up to six months. Suspects would also not be able to contact a lawyer until after spending 24 hours in custody.
Under the plan children could be tried in adult courts and more trials held behind closed doors.
The original article from Liberation is behind a subscriber wall, but a commentary on the issue can be found here- http://www.liberation.fr/societe/0101589463-droits A (poor) Google translation of the commentary can be found here- http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.liberation.fr%2Fsociete%2F0101589462-notre-souci-preserver-la-democratie
The Syndicat de la Magistrature, a left-leaning union for judges and prosecutors, called the measures "revolting" and said they would amount to "liberticide," and called on Justice Minister Michele Alliot-Marie to abandon the plan.
The union was due to release on Tuesday the text of the government plan, which it said was provided to heads of courts in great secrecy in July, the newspaper reported.
Swine flu, or the A(H1N1) virus, the first pandemic to be declared by the World Health Organization in this century, has so far claimed 15 lives in France, out of at least 2,837 worldwide.
The French government has conducted extensive planning to prepare for an expected new wave of infections as the autumn flu season approaches in the northern hemisphere.
- With AFP
I just read that thing in French and it also looks like some kind of BS... Even though Sarkozy is a fucking asshole, it won't get to such extent in France. And even if this plan was real, no one will ever allow that...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g928uDiWtcnBFT28j5UfIeUXXuMQD9B17QK00
Military to get mandatory swine flu shots soon
By LOLITA C. BALDOR (AP) – 7 hours ago
WASHINGTON — A top U.S. military commander says troops will begin getting required swine flu shots in the next week to 10 days. Active duty forces deploying to war zones and other critical areas are at the front of the vaccine line.
Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart also told The Associated Press that as many as 400 troops are ready to go to five regional headquarters around the country to assist federal health and emergency management officials if needed as the flu season heats up.
The Pentagon has bought 2.7 million vaccines, and 1.4 million of those will go to active duty military. National Guard troops on active duty are also required to receive the vaccine, as are civilian Defense Department employees who are in critical jobs.
There you go Trey....
Refuse it Trey.
I don't want you to die.
the master of puppets is pulling his strings.
inb4 mtallica reference
oh shit
:D
I'm actually the guy that makes this happen. Remember I do work in Navy medicine. I'm actually waking up early tomorrow because I'm administering the vaccine to all my marines in the morning. This is seriously no big deal. I have been getting mandatory flu shots for years. Since before I joined the military. All health care workers, military, and elderly are usually mando for the flu shots. It has nothing to do with h1n1. Its the same as the annual flu shots we have all been getting for decades.
Fosho...I just remember you saying you weren't gonna take the hini shot.
and I wont. I dont take the mando anthrax shots either. To be honest, I might not even take this flu shot. Its the Nasal mist. I like the shot better. The Nasal mist is a live virus and can legit get you sick. The shot is dead and only gets you sick in your head
But thats a power I have because I'm medical and I can just write down whatever I want in my record. Of course me being me, if any of my marines had any real reasons to not want these shots other than being scarred of needles, I would do the same for them. I'm telling you guys, not all of us in the military - government are bad
flu shots are teh suck! I feel like shit afterwards.
Quote from: Variable on Oct 01, 2009, 03:03 AM
I'm telling you guys, not all of us in the military - government are bad
And you have proven that fact to me a long time ago. I appreciate your insight and knowledge, it helps me understand some things better. What I want to know is if there are more
you in the military.
You would be surprised actually. A lot of my friends are like minded. Also a lot just didnt know any better but after you explain a couple things to them they become much more aware of what is really going on. Its usually just religion that is the breaking point actually.
My girlfriend has been diagnosed with Swine Flu and she is very ill. I see her a lot and I am a diabetic and a little worried about getting Swine Flu because it will cause huge problems for me. I will still refuse to take the Tamiflu though or any other Flu related vaccine
Well bro tamiflu is not a vaccine its an anti viral. Just like taking penicillin for strep throat or a z pack for a sinus infection. So if you did get the flu and someone wanted you to take tamiflu, I would. There is really no danger to that. The vaccine would be a shot they gave you to make sure you didn't get it in the first place. For my own reasons I don't want to take that.I don't really understand how you diabetes would complicate the flu though? I mean I can see how it wouldn't help. Maybe if your sugar is really high I can see how some of your immune system wouldn't be working right. But how bad is your diabetes? Are you able to keep it under control?
And yeah so I took my flu mist and I feel just fine. Just as expected. I havent had any of my marines claim to be sick either.
My diabetes has been pretty well controlled lately. I used to get the annual flu shot every year just like the old folks do, but after reading some shit about the flu shot (it contains mercury etc) I decided that I wouldn't take it anymore. I don't think it's healthy putting that shit in my body year after year...
The only danger I guess for a diabetic and the flu is that when you get the flu you lose your appetite and diabetics have to eat all the time to maintain their sugar levels. But I'm a pretty healthy person who looks after himself so If I DO get the flu I don't think it will be that much of a problem for me. Its just taking the vaccine for Swine Flu which I know they will try and make me take because I'm more 'vulnerable' to it.
that makes perfect sense to me
Quote from: Starz on Oct 04, 2009, 01:10 AM*stuff*
That has to be the most badass sig in the history of the internet.
Im totally confused as to why you quoted that to say that
To specify who I was talking to, I think.
Roger
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Incredible...
my daughter was just diagnosed with h1n1,but other than a fever and cough,she's a regular 5 year old girl...happy,playing..etc.
I now know three people that have had it and haven't taken the vaccine. Guess what. They were in bed for a week and DIDN'T DIE! LOLOLOL AMAZING RITE?
supposedly now this is more lethal than the regular flu. i still doubt it.
the regular flu is more lethal.
now, i'm no doctor, but logic tells me that one's immune system would be better in the long run if you caught it and fought it off yourself as opposed to just getting the vaccine. could be wrong, though.
Vitamin D...lots of it!
I posted this.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/stp/1428973431.html
im against swine flu!
german youth celebrates swine flu. 25000 cases in germany yet and the virus affects mainly young and healthy people. therefore its the biggest youth movement after techno.
Do not take that shot if you dont have the flu otherwise you would end up like that girl that now can only walk backwards.
Awesome video that lays out some important information
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Obvious info is obvious.
Why people buy into this swine flu vaccination crap is fucking beyond me.
we have the swine flu in our flat share now.
what pisses me off is that i am not allowed to go into crowded places for some time now.
i am a bit concerned at the moment since my own health is pretty much fucked. i have a cold for 3 months now (never had really time to see a doctor, but i guess its the tonsils), i hav astmha, i am allergic towards everything that blooms and that has a fur. and my bmi is 17,5.
am i going to die now? (and i know some of you already grabed their sparkling wine)
if i get swine flu will i turn into a pig like the carneys turned into donkeys in Pinocchio
i was walking down the street one day and this girl comes up behind me screaming my name, i'm like oh it's chrissy. So she jumps on me and gives me a hug. I'm like how are you doing? She goes...not too bad...I have H1N1!
i ran away without finishing the conversation, or a second thought.
Quote from: No More Sugar on Nov 05, 2009, 12:25 AM
i ran away without finishing the conversation, or a second thought.
Go kill yourself, you fucking prick.
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 05, 2009, 12:26 AM
Quote from: No More Sugar on Nov 05, 2009, 12:25 AM
i ran away without finishing the conversation, or a second thought.
Go kill yourself, you fucking prick.
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Did anyone see the blog post Billy Corgan made about this? It's fucking retarded!!
Excuse me if this was on a previous page.
I can't believe this is still going on. I guess as long as there is money to be made. This fear of swine flu is so fucking annoying though.
so is the banalization of a virus that is deadly in (worst case-scenario) 0,1% of all cases. (ECDC)
im not sure if i would take the vaccine if i were allowed. but there are also strong moral reasons to take it.
Quote from: Variable on Nov 05, 2009, 08:42 PM
I can't believe this is still going on. I guess as long as there is money to be made. This fear of swine flu is so fucking annoying though.
Honestly, I think the fear [or lack of] swine flu was constructed in order to hide the real pandemic planned for us. Pneumonic Plague happening in Ukraine. Lucky for them, they have martial law right now in order to "protect" them. What's up with this?
Airplanes sprayed mysterious substance over Ukraine days before pneumonic plague outbreakFriday,
November 6, 2009 - 15:22
http://fto.co.za/news/airplanes-sprayed-mysterious-substance-ukraine-days-pneumonic-plague-outbreak-2009110615732
Here is some article dating back to 2002...
Oklahoma Conducting Bioterror Drill
April 12, 2002 - source: By Jennifer L. Brown Associated Press Writer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40196-2002Apr12.html
McALESTER, Okla. One of the most complex bioterrorism drills ever undertaken began Friday with a World War II-era airplane buzzing the city to simulate a deadly attack and doctors handing out thousands of jelly beans as pretend medicine.
State health officials planned for up to 10,000 people to take part in the three-day exercise in McAlester, a city of 18,000.
The drill was prompted by the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and the anthrax-by-mail scare last fall.
"We're looking to create a model that can be duplicated in other communities across the country," said Dr. Timothy Cathey, medical director for the Pittsburgh County Health Department. "A crisis is what happens when you're attacked. A disaster is what can happen if you're not prepared."
Under the make-believe scenario, the C-47 airplane released a fine spray containing pneumonic plague. The plague was to infect 95 percent of McAlester's population with the lung-attacking disease and kill 120 people by Saturday afternoon.
As the drill played out Friday, health officials pretended patients were arriving at hospitals and doctors' offices with fever, chills and coughs.
Within a few hours of the staged attack, law enforcement officials began arriving at the county health department to pick up one-week dosages of the antibiotics Cipro and doxycycline jelly beans, actually for officers and their families.
Health officials who have been doing radio spots, distributing fliers and speaking to community organizations planned to distribute 10,000 packets of jelly beans and 1,000 pediatric juice doses within 24 hours.
Nearly 700 volunteers will administer fake antibiotics at five spots around town Saturday morning.
About 60 Boy Scouts will act as patients Saturday at McAlester's Army Ammunitions Plant, where doctors will set up a triage station. Many of the boys will go to the hospital by ambulance and bus; some will go to a fake morgue.
In a real attack, the bulk of the medicine would come from the National Pharmaceutical Stockpile secret stashes of medicine at locations throughout the United States.
McAlester officials put in a mock request for the antibiotics and a National Guard unit in Oklahoma City planned to practice sorting the drugs and then fly medical supplies by helicopter to McAlester.
Besides the plague scenario in McAlester, there will be a mock outbreak of smallpox in Tulsa and a staged attack of botulism in the water in Lawton.
The idea for the exercise came in October,
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Pneumonic Plague Drill Held in Illinois !http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/pneumonic-plague-drill-held-in-illinois/
This is a strange coincidence right? Reports coming in of hemorrhagic pneumonic plague in Ukraine and suddenly we have this police drill in Illinois, America. Keep in mind also that China had quarantined a town of 10,000+ people over 2 deaths from pneumonic plague! 3 coincidences, 3 totally unrelated events? Not likely. Has the deadly bio-engineered strain of hemorrhagic pneumonia been released? Will the rest of the world goto martial law and mandatory vaccination like what is happening in Ukraine? These are interesting times. Infowars reports:
In Lake in the Hills, Illinois, police will conduct
a drill to combat a fictitious pneumonic plague on Saturday. "The Lake in the Hills Police Department is carrying out the test as part of a grant from the McHenry County Department of Health for its emergency health plan. In case of a biological terrorist attack or widespread disease outbreak, the site would be able get medicine to the community, Lake in the Hills Chief of Patrol Services David Brey said," reports the Northwest Herald. Brey said officials picked pneumonic plague for the scenario "so it would have nothing to do with the swine flu."
In Ukraine, the pneumonic plague is not fictional, although officials in that country insist the disease is a mutated version of the H1N1 virus, not pneumonic plague. Over the period of six days, the mystery disease has afflicted more than 500,000 people. The plague or virus in the Ukraine has 10 times the mortality rate than the normal swine flu. In late October, officials in Ivano-Frankivsk, a city located in southwestern Ukraine, characterized the outbreak as pneumonic plague. Pneumonic plague is caused by bacterium and is more virulent and less common than bubonic plague.
Official Ukranian sources place the number of death at 33 (as of November 5) and the news website ZIK claims a total of 97 deaths. Deutsche Presse-Agentur put the number at 95 and reported on November 5 that 633,877 Ukrainians nationwide have registered with health authorities as suffering from the flu. Doctors in the region, however, dispute this and say thousands have died.
Residents of Kiev claim light aircraft sprayed a mysterious substance on residents of the city, according to Radio Netherlands Worldwide. The spraying was denied by the country's Office of Emergency Response.
Reports from Ukraine on the mystery illness are contradictory and confusing. "While the mainstream media is reporting that it is a surge in H1N1 influenza, alternative media sources are reporting that it is a new unidentified virus, while other reports cite witnesses in Ukraine who say there is no evidence of a pandemic at all," Steve Watson wrote for Infowars on November 2. On November 5, it was reported by the alternative media that a town in China was locked down after 2 people died from an outbreak of pneumonic plague. In August, the Associated Press reported on a deadly outbreak of pneumonic plague in a remote farming town in northwestern China.
It should be emphasized that at this time there is no conclusive evidence that Ukraine is suffering from an outbreak of pneumonic plague. Experts note that if the country was indeed suffering from the illness the death rate would be much higher. However, it is odd that a preparedness drill in the United States would use the pneumonic plague as its fictional predicate. It is not explained why officials in Lake in the Hills have chosen to avoid basing their drill on the H1N1 virus.
Lake in the Hills has ranked high in Illinois cities taking federal money for "homeland security" initiatives, according to a survey conducted by the Daily Herald. It is not known if the Department of Homeland Security is involved in the drill to be conducted this weekend.
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How? Why? Who?Kaz 2009-11-03 14:49:00
Pneumonic plague occurs when Y. pestis infects the lungs. This type of plague can spread from person to person through the air. Transmission can take place if someone breathes in aerosolized bacteria, which could happen in a bioterrorist attack. Pneumonic plague is also spread by breathing in Y. pestis suspended in respiratory droplets from a person (or animal) with pneumonic plague. Becoming infected in this way usually requires direct and close contact with the ill person or animal.
Pneumonic plague may also occur if a person with bubonic or septicemic plague is untreated and the bacteria spread to the lungs.
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/plague/factsheet.asp
QuoteHonestly, I think the fear [or lack of] swine flu was constructed in order to hide the real pandemic planned for us.
i like to live in your world for one day :D
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oh shit pneumonic plague.
my withbeliefer has pneumonia as a side effect of her gone swine flu.
btw: the death ratio due to swine flu in the usa is 30 times higher than in europe (spiegel.de). so either there is some bigger thing coming for us or the usa is pretty hard failing with its crisis management.
It's just because we don't have enough government in our health care over here, duh.
Quote from: Nailec on Nov 11, 2009, 02:25 AM
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oh shit pneumonic plague.
;D
Quote from: Nailec on Nov 11, 2009, 02:25 AM
QuoteHonestly, I think the fear [or lack of] swine flu was constructed in order to hide the real pandemic planned for us.
i like to live in your world for one day :D
(http://www.pacal.de/Kondensstreifen_515.jpg)
oh shit pneumonic plague.
my withbeliefer has pneumonia as a side effect of her gone swine flu.
btw: the death ratio due to swine flu in the usa is 30 times higher than in europe (spiegel.de). so either there is some bigger thing coming for us or the usa is pretty hard failing with its crisis management.
i'm never going outside again
So it finally happened. We got our H1N1 shots in today. They are mando for all of us. I'm really not sure if I should take it or not. I mean I don't have to pay for it. What's the worst that could happen?
worst case? ure the only one in the squad who refuses to take the vaccine. u get h1n1 and the virus mutates inside u. noone around you is safe from this new virus inside u. but before it kills you, you have to see every single of your friends die.
Quote from: Nailec on Nov 14, 2009, 08:17 PM
worst case? ure the only one in the squad who refuses to take the vaccine. u get h1n1 and the virus mutates inside u. noone around you is safe from this new virus inside u. but before it kills you, you have to see every single of your friends die.
lolz
But real worst case, would be the same story except that the virus mutates so bad that it turns you into a zombie, and then everyone around you gets zombified too.
Even worse would be if it was a gay zombie epidemics where all zombies get together in anal orgies... Now, that would be a pretty worst case scenario...
im gona be in serbia in the very near future, where swine flu pandemonium has apparently reached stupid heights
theyve banned public gatherings, closed all bars, schools, and events, i think even alot of businesses are shut down
my friend that im gona to stay with's mom even said i couldnt come because i might catch the swine before i make it to her house and infect the family
all because there are 280 cases out of 8 million people
probablly there are just 280 cases because serbia has been this strict.
its something worth to analyze when all this is over. probablly you can sue against your government because of manslaughter.
I mean't "whats the worst that could happen?" from taking the shot
Quote from: Variable on Nov 16, 2009, 05:28 AM
I mean't "whats the worst that could happen?" from taking the shot
I heard about the bad post-shot effects, like losing fingers or members, some died too... But they worked again on the shot since then, I don't think it's risky at all anymore.
there are nanomachines that will take over you nervous system in the shot that will make you a dronebot and you will lost all free will
SNAKE?!
SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE
Quote from: Penicks on Nov 16, 2009, 08:51 PM
SNAKE?!
SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE
if you die, my child dies.
Quote from: nonesuch on Nov 16, 2009, 08:15 PM
there are nanomachines that will take over you nervous system in the shot that will make you a dronebot and you will lost all free will
this
guess I better not get it then
I am not taking anything I don't think should be mandatory. So no matter my situation, I would say no. But that's your choice, not mine. I say, say "fuck you".