I somehow can't find an existing thread, maybe it's just my Tapatalk who's going crazy...
Anyway, I found this article :
http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/173414/20150210/deftones-new-album.htm
Deftones is expected and rumored to release their new album this winter as a follow up to their 2012 record "Koi No Yokan," following the death of bassist Chi Cheng.
In the latest interview last January with the band by Music Store Live, guitarist Stephen Carpenter revealed that Deftones may be back in the studio with recording for their follow up record.
"We are actually writing a new record and we're gonna... We're supposed to be going in to record it next month, but we're taking it as it goes. I mean, we're not all the way ready now, but we've still got time and we're working on it," he said.
Taking time to come up with the brand new record may be tough for the band as the group faced a very tough road block in the past few years following the passing of one of their members.
Vocalist Chino Moreno revealed that it has been a rough journey and following up with a new album for Deftones is definitely a challenge for them.
"I get asked about that record a lot. For a while, I was giving the same answer, 'No, no, no, no, no, no, no.' After Chi's passing, I went back and listened to some of the record and it was a pretty intense experience, to say the least."
"I think it should be released, but we don't have any definite plans. There's some work to do on it. DEFTONES have been moving forward in a strong, positive motion, so for us to stop and reflect on something five years ago, I don't know if we're ready for that," he said in a previous interview.
The new album for the band is has still no concrete plans of a release but fans and experts suggest that if ever the band finishes early this year then everyone might get a glimpse of the new album by the end of 2015.
So... The boys hitting the studio soon, and a new album end of 2015??
And still no definite plan for Eros, but more of that "hey, maybe later" stuff...
What do you guys think?
IIRC they've been at least writing for at least the past six months (hence the new footage that was on their shopping cart page). I guess this means they're recording it?
If I'm not mistaken, Chino has said "Maybe later" or "Rather sooner than never" way more than he has said "No". In interviews at least.
would be nice if Chino actually screams on this album and goes back to his old vocal style instead of the crap from KNY
Quote from: jaypayton on Feb 11, 2015, 09:51 PM
goes back to his old vocal style instead of the crap from KNY
He can't and he won't
Quote from: MrVesanique on Feb 11, 2015, 03:21 PM
If I'm not mistaken, Chino has said "Maybe later" or "Rather sooner than never" way more than he has said "No". In interviews at least.
True, and this one seems to concur also...
Not all hope is lost, but I definitely don't have a lot anyway.
"We'll release Eros someday"
"This record is our heaviest yet"
"Sounds a lot like White Pony"
so how sure are we that Chino isnt just a preprogrammed robot again?
chino always likes to compare their newest album to white pony because wp was their most popular/best work
Quote from: Freedomsoldier17 on Feb 12, 2015, 10:38 PM
chino always likes to compare their newest album to white pony because wp was their most popular/best work
(http://36.media.tumblr.com/45f87ec6c407fec0314153f1ffe507c0/tumblr_mgsguk2kZD1rczfzqo1_500.jpg)
GOAT
Quote from: deftones47 on Feb 19, 2015, 06:36 PM
Quote from: Freedomsoldier17 on Feb 12, 2015, 10:38 PM
chino always likes to compare their newest album to white pony because wp was their most popular/best work
(http://36.media.tumblr.com/45f87ec6c407fec0314153f1ffe507c0/tumblr_mgsguk2kZD1rczfzqo1_500.jpg)
Good stuff man
I wonder who's the producer. Any guesses?
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Feb 19, 2015, 09:30 PM
I wonder who's the producer. Any guesses?
Other than Terry Date? mmh... How about Deftones themselves? I think Chino learned 1 or 2 things about producing while working with Palms, Crosses and Team Sleep. So maybe this time the guys will produce the new album on their own and hire Terry Date as the recording engineer... Its just a guessing though.
Quote from: Teknoman on Feb 20, 2015, 02:22 AM
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Feb 19, 2015, 09:30 PM
I wonder who's the producer. Any guesses?
Other than Terry Date? mmh... How about Deftones themselves? I think Chino learned 1 or 2 things about producing while working with Palms, Crosses and Team Sleep. So maybe this time the guys will produce the new album on their own and hire Terry Date as the recording engineer... Its just a guessing though.
Chino and Shaun also produced "The Hierophant" by Will Haven. It's not their best album, but has some great tunes on it.
It's a possibility, could even be Aaron from Palms because he's probably the closest to a legit producer in terms of experience, but I don't think they'll do it on their own, at-least I hope they don't, I'm sure they could do an ok job Shaun did fine on SNW but by having someone who specialises in producing come in and apply their touch can take the album to another level, for instance the way Terry Date came in and finely tuned things like snare tone really made a difference overall, I just think a experienced producer can capture the best version of the song as opposed to a acceptable one.
New bass sound
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(https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10991301_10153061580220056_5691798578781285791_n.jpg?oh=89a11253c69bab8ef166dd9d73635009&oe=558E7099)
where did you find those
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Feb 20, 2015, 05:18 AM
It's a possibility, could even be Aaron from Palms because he's probably the closest to a legit producer in terms of experience, but I don't think they'll do it on their own, at-least I hope they don't, I'm sure they could do an ok job Shaun did fine on SNW but by having someone who specialises in producing come in and apply their touch can take the album to another level, for instance the way Terry Date came in and finely tuned things like snare tone really made a difference overall, I just think a experienced producer can capture the best version of the song as opposed to a acceptable one.
I would really hope it wouldn't be Aaron. Nothing against him, but Palms had bad production. Maybe the producer is the guy next to Abe in that picture?
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Found some exciting things out, got curious about the producer so I did some snooping and managed to find some clues, took ages but I found the console they have shown in pictures and then I managed to find the studio and on their site they mention their clients one of which is Rick Rubin which may have explain how Bill Ward was there but there is one producer in particular that stuck out, looks like the dream could still be real....
The Studio/Console
http://www.megawattrecording.com/photos/ (http://www.megawattrecording.com/photos/)
The Producers Who use it
http://www.megawattrecording.com/clients-producers-engineers/ (http://www.megawattrecording.com/clients-producers-engineers/)
Shit man, that's some pretty good detective job !
Rick Rubin ? Terry Date ?
Oh my, this is all exciting !!!!
Was pretty tricky there are so many of those neve consoles that look the same, I found a site made by a university where you could enter a phrase and it would show instagram photos that had been tagged with that phrase and where they were taken but you couldn't actually scroll through them it was like a random slideshow that changed everytime so I went through and found a photo from the studio with the most unique tag and managed to get it to show up and the site told me it was taken in a certain area of L.A, so I searched for studios in that area with neve consoles and just looked for that room, was pretty cool to see Terry Date on that list I hope it means he's producing for them again, I mean what are the chances of that being a coincidence.
Hopefully not Rick Rubin. Not a big fan of his more recently produced albums
Never liked Rick Rubin's work that much. I know he's a legend to many, and he sure has tremendous history but I think he's overrated.
Agree on Rick Rubin. I would be very disappointed with that choice.
I would say it's not Rick Rubin.
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(http://i62.tinypic.com/2dkct1f.jpg)
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What's the source?
Terry Date
www.DEFTONES.CL | @luisch | @deftoneslatino
Quote from: luisch on Feb 26, 2015, 12:27 AM
Terry Date
Wait, what? You mean Terry Date took those pics?
No, I mean, Terry date
www.DEFTONES.CL | @luisch | @deftoneslatino
Quote from: MrVesanique on Feb 25, 2015, 03:47 PM
Never liked Rick Rubin's work that much. I know he's a legend to many, and he sure has tremendous history but I think he's overrated.
Hey you might want to change your FB post you've got alot of facts wrong, I explained it all in my first post basically geotagging of an instagram photo told me the studio was based around magnolia blvd in hollywood not seattle and then by searching for neve consoles in the area I found megawatt studios and matched the console in the deftones pictures to the ones in one of their recording rooms,while on their website I noticed Terry Date was listed as a client, the picture you posted of terry is from the same studio but from a different room than the deftones photos show, the deftones console is half the size with other subtle visual things (knob colours and dial arrangment) easy mistake though fuck those things look the same lol
If you're Gabe Palmer, then I answered you. If not, well I corrected my post and Deftones are currently in Seattle, so...
Not Gabe Palmer but this sure looks like where they are
Studio
http://www.megawattrecording.com/photos/37ij6r39yuzmbldu6ekuiaypfzr2tb (http://www.megawattrecording.com/photos/37ij6r39yuzmbldu6ekuiaypfzr2tb)
Photo posted 5hours ago of Abe in front of same curtains and doors
https://www.facebook.com/deftones/photos/a.108669282490.94376.5544067490/10153169476607491/?type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/deftones/photos/a.108669282490.94376.5544067490/10153169476607491/?type=1)
Studio at megawatt in LA
http://www.megawattrecording.com/photos/e1qgrg3dcadbtzpcs2vq0t5x396x27 (http://www.megawattrecording.com/photos/e1qgrg3dcadbtzpcs2vq0t5x396x27)
Deftones photo
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10430917_10153071466580056_4162922184583486385_n.jpg?oh=6db80de21870437b136bc8baef882498&oe=5580DEB4&__gda__=1435523746_344e4072372822955effcfbf1a74461b (https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10430917_10153071466580056_4162922184583486385_n.jpg?oh=6db80de21870437b136bc8baef882498&oe=5580DEB4&__gda__=1435523746_344e4072372822955effcfbf1a74461b)
Photo I geotracked
https://instagram.com/p/zQqFNAPhcq/?modal=true (https://instagram.com/p/zQqFNAPhcq/?modal=true)
And page where Terry Date is listed as a client
They may be in Seattle right now but they sure as fuck were here lol
Got optimistic, I guess. :(
I know we all want Terry Date to be the producer on the new record and so far all fingers point at him but the studios pics are kind of confusing and tell a different story.
Accordingly to the video posted below Terry Date uses an open kickdrum when recording drumkits plus he uses shure SM57 for the snare but we dont see any of that on those in-studio pics.
Mr. Vesanique said on FB this console
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and the one on this picture of Terry Date's studio (http://www.terrydaterecording.com/index.html) are the same but they are different (he already correctec this I think)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/msfypk.jpg)
In other words... we dont have a fucking clue about who is the producer :(
Terry Date's Studio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqhBevWSeyY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqhBevWSeyY)
Quote from: MrVesanique on Feb 26, 2015, 01:31 AM
Got optimistic, I guess. :(
I wouldn't rule it out we know Terry uses that studio, those photos you posted of Terry are from the same place just another room and he's listed on their site so we know Terry Date uses that place and my research shows Deftones do aswell, Plus I think that's like Terrys base alot of the photos and videos I've seen of him have been there, I think it's a really good sign, there's a pretty low chance of that being unrelated even if it even Terry the producer is probably a person listed on that page , Anyone with more knowledge think theirs any possible alternatives listed?, I know Rick Rubin but I don't think he would do it.
Just looked at those new photos and did some research on the mic that's on that snare and it's a blue hummingbird, which is a condenser microphone, and apparently Terry Date gets his snappy snare sound through condensing so that could be a another clue, I'm not a drummer though I don't know how common that is.
I wonder why every website so far is claiming that we'll get the album "hopefully" by the end of the year. I'm sure that they'll finish recording by no later than the end of march. Then we're going to hear a new song or two around May when they're headlining festivals. During that time mixing is being done. So in my book, we can definitely expect the album to drop in late summer to early autumn, but not in like november or december or even next year.
I have some new clues.
Fact: Officially, Matt Hyde is working with the band (he works as recording engineer and co-produces KNY record), maybe that is the name of the guy who was in the TS performance cant remember.
In another hand, he's busy with Soulfly rigth now (starts work with they in January) and he's working in the new Slayer record, so we dont know.
Fact: Deftones are actually in Los Angeles, confirmed, but they work some part of the record (writting o pre-production process) in Seattle, not in LA. They are recording in Megawatts Recording, same studio where Date record the Slayer new album, with the same console of Terry uses for record, a Neve 8058 MKII.
Matt Hyde are in the list of producers of the studio, since february, and before, since they was with the band writting the new album.
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Bottom line:
We dont know nothing, Jon Snow.
Yeah it shouldn't take that long to finish but unfortunately the record companies don't always feel it should be put out as soon as possible, I wouldn't put it past Warner to hold on to the album until a time they believe would sell better, like a time where the album is likely to get more exposure whether it be avoiding similar artists releases or wanting to piggyback off those with combined tours and cross promotion, I wish they would just put it out but I can see how Warner could be looking at it differently.
Yeah, you have to keep in mind marketing and record label politics and all that shite. It would be cool if they dropped in summer, though. They haven't really done that since White Pony.
And there's no way in hell TS is coming out before DT. I was hoping that would be the case, but I guess not.
This album is gonna be poppy as fuck
Was really hoping we would get the team sleep record before new deftones but whatever... As long as we get team sleep eventually I'm cool with it...
Quote from: Heisenberg on Feb 26, 2015, 07:03 PM
This album is gonna be poppy as fuck
What makes you think so? Please elaborate
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:40 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on Feb 26, 2015, 07:03 PM
This album is gonna be poppy as fuck
What makes you think so? Please elaborate
Yup, I wanna know. Terry and Matt recently works with Slayer and Soulfly. Not poppy at all. IMO.
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:40 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on Feb 26, 2015, 07:03 PM
This album is gonna be poppy as fuck
What makes you think so? Please elaborate
I was kidding. I mean I may have been subconsciously alluding to the general pattern of heavier bands getting "softer" or more refined as they age. Which is not entirely a bad thing if the music is good. I don't think it will be poppy at all. I was just making a stupid comment to jump in on the conversation rather than saying something relevant. I have failed at the internet today :'(
I don't really care anymore what their new album sounds like but I hope they stop with the lazy song writing that's plagued their last few records. There's a few exceptions but mostly the songs have weak dynamics and settle for simple structures.
Quote from: Inkblades on Feb 26, 2015, 06:49 PM
Yeah, you have to keep in mind marketing and record label politics and all that shite. It would be cool if they dropped in summer, though. They haven't really done that since White Pony.
And there's no way in hell TS is coming out before DT. I was hoping that would be the case, but I guess not.
I think we'll get the live cd before Deftones atleast, also Todd commmented on one of his videos saying they're going to have multiple releases this year so we may get some stuff from them with out it necessarily being the album.
Quote from: el perro on Feb 26, 2015, 09:34 PM
I don't really care anymore what their new album sounds like but I hope they stop with the lazy song writing that's plagued their last few records. There's a few exceptions but mostly the songs have weak dynamics and settle for simple structures.
Dumbest thing I've heard in a while. The song structures and writing on KNY are the most progressive stuff they've done by a mile.
Quote from: rainnyx4 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:45 AM
Quote from: el perro on Feb 26, 2015, 09:34 PM
I don't really care anymore what their new album sounds like but I hope they stop with the lazy song writing that's plagued their last few records. There's a few exceptions but mostly the songs have weak dynamics and settle for simple structures.
Dumbest thing I've heard in a while. The song structures and writing on KNY are the most progressive stuff they've done by a mile.
Yeah the quality of the song is a debatable point but I think the complexity is there, compare just the use of guitars, most songs used two guitars with intros/outros between songs, also I don't think Deftones are ones for abnormal structures anyway, apart from Adrenaline which had more variation its usually pretty straight forward, riff1 4x riff2 4x riff1 4x bridge etc. Someone who gets into time signatures may be able to tell me when they've gone progressive but having played all this songs on guitar I don't see it.
Steph needs to use the other 7 strings on the guitar and Chino needs to sing to his abilities. Literally all I want. No more chug chug on the bottom string and Chino straining to hit notes.
Yeah agree about Steph on DE he was just stuck on those low strings, to be fair he did that on S/T as-well which I liked but he was in a different range where it was heavy but not muddy like the 8 string, the signs where good on KNY he played with more range and Chino playing some higher register stuff offset it nicely so if they could build on that I think it'd be alright. I think Chino's voice will be fine on the album but live is another story.
three
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best tones album since 2003 ... Im calling it !
watch.... look at that drum setup! back to pure rhythm with vocals overlaying .
Date is back and the gits will be more complex because Stef went back 2 school while they had time off and got some more theory behind him.
Chino is gonna lay back on guitar (like he supposedly did with Eros) focus on his throat and belt out some great melodies. Serg is gonna lay down some dirty armpit smelling raw earth toned licks on that bass inspired from his time touring with old mates and giving a tribute to Chi in his own way since this is the 1st since his passing..
this albums going to be awesome
cant wait until Oct. or Nov.
Previous releases
Adrenaline - April
Around The Fur - October
White Pony - June
Deftones - May
B-Sides & Rarities - October
Saturday Night Wrist - October
Diamond Eyes - May
Koi No Yokan - November
New album - October would be my guess.
Based on that picture of Abe it looks like his kit is using the Kick drum and Snare from Koi No Yokan sessions and the toms from the White Pony era/sessions.
Also this is pretty exciting
Quote from: luisch on Feb 26, 2015, 01:55 PM
Fact: Deftones are actually in Los Angeles, confirmed, but they work some part of the record (writting o pre-production process) in Seattle, not in LA. They are recording in Megawatts Recording, same studio where Date record the Slayer new album, with the same console of Terry uses for record, a Neve 8058 MKII.
Matt Hyde are in the list of producers of the studio, since february, and before, since they was with the band writting the new album.
I'll always want Terry back in on production for Deftones.. But I think I'm okay if a completely new guy comes in, other than Nick. Hoping for more updates soon.
Also, Chino seems to have a new guitar that he uses in the studio.
https://instagram.com/p/zikkIsy1T0/
https://instagram.com/p/zfJequS1Q-/
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Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Mar 01, 2015, 08:32 PM
Also, Chino seems to have a new guitar that he uses in the studio.
https://instagram.com/p/zikkIsy1T0/
https://instagram.com/p/zfJequS1Q-/
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amazing (and very expensive) guitar.
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i neeeeeeeed some new Deftones!!!!!!! :o
Hopefully the band is depress ;D & angry :-X we will get the record we been waiting for since the S/T era!
Quote from: Northcal on Mar 04, 2015, 03:57 AM
Hopefully the band is depressed and angry :-X will get the record we been waiting for since the S/T era!
Quote from: Northcal on Mar 04, 2015, 03:59 AM
Hopefully the band is depressed and angry :-X will get the record we been waiting for since the S/T era!
never
7th
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Quote from: luisch on Mar 04, 2015, 01:32 PM
7th
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finally, the Fender VI!
Is that a 6 string bass? :D
We're gonna have one hundred pictures of the instruments and no videos. I hate this.
I wonder what tuning Stephen will tune to on this album? He has a trend that gets progressively lower every album. Koi No Yokan was in Drop E (E,B,E,A,D,G,B,E).. His next choice of tuning would be what Meshugga tune their 8 strings to F, B♭, E♭, A♭, D♭,G♭, B♭, E♭. Unless Stephen gets a 9 string for this album lol.
I think someone asked him that already and he said he was done with the dropping and wouldn't go lower now, think he's trying to work on his technique now instead of just changing tuning to sound different,I remember he was talking about how the level of skill on guitar has risen and how people on YouTube have inspired him to get better, I know Ben from DEP sort of does the same thing, he was a good guitarist to began with but he says having the same tuning forced him to get more creative because it becomes obvious if your repeating yourself, maybe Stef is trying a similar thing which is cool, I would even like to see Stef go back up a bit especially if Sergio going to be playing a 6 string bass to get more seperation, I could see it becoming a muddy mess if they're both going to be operating in the same tonal centres.
I always thought a 7-string was the sweet spot for Stef. Though I wouldn't mind the bite that White Pony had.
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I wonder how soon until the first track release. I'm getting antsy, visiting this bored and the r/deftones wayyy too much.
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Mar 05, 2015, 09:06 PM
I wonder how soon until the first track release. I'm getting antsy, visiting this bored and the r/deftones wayyy too much.
Me too. It's probably going to be a long time until the first "street track" like previously Rocket Skates or Leathers is going to be released. Maybe around a month or two before the official album release. For now we're stuck with studio and gear pictures. Although we'll definitely hear a new song live in May. Let's hope someone records it
If only Deftones would release some short videos from their recording sessions. Every other band does this nowadays on instagram, except for them ;D
Yeah that's pretty lame they used to be pretty good with the S/T and Eros session clips but their social media from the studio is pretty bad now which sucks considering a phone could be used to make those videos now.
they probably want to keep everything up to 100% speculation :(
Is Sergio wearing a bootleg hat with a horribly disfigured New York Yankees logo or is a logo of some hip new clothing brand? As a native New Yorker, it's throwing me the FUCK off.
Quote from: Inkblades on Mar 06, 2015, 01:58 AM
Is Sergio wearing a bootleg hat with a horribly disfigured New York Yankees logo or is a logo of some hip new clothing brand? As a native New Yorker, it's throwing me the FUCK off.
palmface level god
What is the so-called "shopping cart song" ???
2gether
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From EMG to Fishman
(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/e15/10598454_793136757431252_1829188642_n.jpg)
Excited about Stephen going to Fishman pickups, because it should offer new tonality to his neck- thru body ESPs'. Majority of his guitars throughout his career have been equipped with EMGs and were a staple to his tone. I'm glad he's switching it up.. Notice the big pile of expo markers on that table in the first pic? Maybe we'll get some studio pics of some working song titles like we did in the past.
Quote from: Inkblades on Mar 06, 2015, 01:58 AM
Is Sergio wearing a bootleg hat with a horribly disfigured New York Yankees logo or is a logo of some hip new clothing brand? As a native New Yorker, it's throwing me the FUCK off.
Yeah, this is driving me nuts as well.
https://instagram.com/p/z4LlmeLgPT/
like that little snippet.. seems like an intro that is going to build into something great.
Quote from: New Murderer on Mar 06, 2015, 11:43 PM
https://instagram.com/p/z4LlmeLgPT/
Sounds awesome...reminds me of Smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uRnHndbZtU
www.DEFTONES.CL | @luisch | @deftoneslatino
word on the street, chad kroeger from nickelback will be featured on a track.......JK I would maybe boycott them
i would be fkn scarred forever if that happened
sounds like a goof...lol..im dying to hear new material
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/deftones-prep-heady-outside-the-box-new-album-20150310 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/deftones-prep-heady-outside-the-box-new-album-20150310)
They recorded 16 songs? I wouldn't mind them to actually put them all on the record, if you ask me
For the sake of the album, they better not.
Yeah, 16 might be too much for a tracklisting, but I'll happily take some bonus tracks. And maybe, hopefully, we will hear new TS before new DT.
Sounds promising to me! It at least means they were focusing on what a lot of us considered to be one of their weaker points these past couple of albums: overly predictable songwriting. Honestly I wouldn't at all mind a 16 track album (however it's structured doesn't much matter to me--with bonus tracks or whatever would be fine). After my first listens to KNY and DE I remember that distinct feeling of wishing there was a bit more album. With their average song length, 16 songs would only take a 45 minute album to an hour and 10 minute album, which sounds great to me, haha. Anywho, if they're planning on beginning mixing and mastering in March/April, I'm staying silently hopeful over a fall release *knock on wood*. Weee, love the tortuous months preceding a new album cycle!
Much respect,
-Matt
Quote from: Crazylegs on Mar 10, 2015, 04:26 PM
For the sake of the album, they better not.
True. But hopefully it's not just 11 tracks again, with the five others falling into oblivion. That would be a waste of creativity.
I'm curious how their approach to write less straightforward songs pans out. Hopefully it doesn't mean more Romantic Dreams and less Poltergeists. Probably does, though... :/
What I HOPE it means is that they try to some strange sound and less conversional song structure.
Yes, like White Pony. Just take the first song on the record, Feiticeira. It doesn't have a normal structure (couplet / refrain / couplet / refrain), it uses strange sounds. Almost all songs on White Pony are like that.
Since ST, I feel like they use more 'normal' structures. I'd like some more leftfield approaches. I'm not slamming the entire discography since ST, I love that album and Diamond Eyes and KNY as well (and I like Saturday Night Wrist), but some more 'out there' music would be great.
Anything around an hour would be great. It can't be too long for me. 2 more hours.
Quote from: Moz on Mar 11, 2015, 05:27 PM
What I HOPE it means is that they try to some strange sound and less conversional song structure.
Yes, like White Pony. Just take the first song on the record, Feiticeira. It doesn't have a normal structure (couplet / refrain / couplet / refrain), it uses strange sounds. Almost all songs on White Pony are like that.
Since ST, I feel like they use more 'normal' structures. I'd like some more leftfield approaches. I'm not slamming the entire discography since ST, I love that album and Diamond Eyes and KNY as well (and I like Saturday Night Wrist), but some more 'out there' music would be great.
I would agree about Feit - one of the more out-there strong structure, for sure. It doesn't even have a discernible chorus. I thought Diamond Eyes had some weird structures too - like Royal and Cmd Ctrl - it was hard to tell what's the verse vs what's the chorus. Anyways I don't really care of they use weird song structures or not as long as the music is solid, catchy, and well-written. Just because something is unusual does not make it magically better. The underlying song needs to be strong.
The guy that posted that video on instagram is posting pics from in the studio almost on the daily. Any idea who this guy is?
Deftones new PR maybe? hahah
Quote from: rainnyx4 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:45 AM
Quote from: el perro on Feb 26, 2015, 09:34 PM
I don't really care anymore what their new album sounds like but I hope they stop with the lazy song writing that's plagued their last few records. There's a few exceptions but mostly the songs have weak dynamics and settle for simple structures.
Dumbest thing I've heard in a while.
Don't beat the donkey inkblades though...
Huh?
Dude Ink's a bro.
https://youtu.be/wQvLthQjePI
Nice heavy riff in the background. Perhaps from the new record?
Probably not worth mentioning, though
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Mar 25, 2015, 12:56 PM
https://youtu.be/wQvLthQjePI
Nice heavy riff in the background. Perhaps from the new record?
Probably not worth mentioning, though
yeah, that riff seems to be very heavy, i hope will be in the record.
I hope this is a riff from Steph, even if its just 10 second. It seems to be promising
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Mar 25, 2015, 12:56 PM
https://youtu.be/wQvLthQjePI
Nice heavy riff in the background. Perhaps from the new record?
Probably not worth mentioning, though
Is that a joint or a cig chino is smoking?
I'd say a joint. It looks handmade and Chino's eyes are quite tiny. Besides, it's Deftones. You get my point.
Deftones + Jerry Cantrell
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Mar 31, 2015, 04:54 PM
Quote from: luisch on Mar 31, 2015, 04:30 PM
Deftones + Jerry Cantrell
:o
Last night
My old boss stopped by the studio to lay down some fire on a Def track(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/e15/10597412_1626515304247499_2104466168_n.jpg)
Relatively big news and no one on here seems to care. This place is truly fucked...
A Jerry Cantrell collab just isn't exciting I even like Alice in Chains and I think he's a good guitarist but it was Laynes voice that was the selling point for me, I just think if theirs going to be a guest guitarist it would be cool to see someone like Adam Jones or Ben Weinman who's going to add something really different to Stephens style, I'm sure he'll do an adequate job and the song will be fine but it's hard to get excited about it.
I see. Well I'm still a big fan of Alice In Chains and think that their two recent albums were just as good as their previous output with Layne. As incredible as Layne was, Jerry has always been the driving force behind AIC for me. I'm curious how that'll work out.
But still, I didn't expect there to be no reaction.
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Apr 01, 2015, 06:16 AM
Relatively big news and no one on here seems to care. This place is truly fucked...
I know, this place is death since 2010 or so
to me, actually is not surprising it all, i was expecting find out by myself, with the new album on my hands, it is pretty dissapointing how they announced it.
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Apr 01, 2015, 11:32 AM
I see. Well I'm still a big fan of Alice In Chains and think that their two recent albums were just as good as their previous output with Layne. As incredible as Layne was, Jerry has always been the driving force behind AIC for me. I'm curious how that'll work out.
But still, I didn't expect there to be no reaction.
I agree and can't wait to hear what he has played.
I also love AIC, so this is good news to me.
omg guys, tracklist and album title have been announced!
Deftunes are proud to announce their forthcoming album entitled ".8 - The Cheng Chapter", which is expected to be released on October 26 2015
01. All I Need
02. Passed Out
03. Roll Over
04. I'm Right Here By Your Side
05. Low Tide
06. Feed On Me
07. Ordinary Life Pt. 1
08. Ordinary Life Pt. 2
09. Los Deftones
10. Sail With Me To McD
11. Don't Wanna Go
12 Used And Abused (feat. Jerry Cantrell)
13. How Are You Today?
Source: http://goo.gl/5rpNIO (http://goo.gl/5rpNIO)
hahah^ willingly admit you almost got my ass. BTW where was it confirmed that Jerry Cantrell is going to be featured on the new album?
If true, I'm pumped for the Cantrell collab. I LOVE his solos.
That said, I'm not a huge fan of his voice so I hope it's only some guitar work he's laying down.
matt hyde talks about guitars
Interview: Matt Hyde talks about Deftones and Fishman Fluence Pickups (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp8P5tSIE8k#ws)
Quote from: Freedomsoldier17 on Apr 01, 2015, 08:51 PM
matt hyde talks about guitars
Interview: Matt Hyde talks about Deftones and Fishman Fluence Pickups (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp8P5tSIE8k#ws)
+1 great find. I wanted to hear more about if Stephen was going to use them for sure. Its cool because Steph is basically the one thats going to promote the 8 string version for Fishman, because they originally only had 7 string versions (promoted by Ken Susi Unearth) when they first came out on the market.
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Apr 01, 2015, 04:47 PM
omg guys, tracklist and album title have been announced!
Deftunes are proud to announce their forthcoming album entitled ".8 - The Cheng Chapter", which is expected to be released on October 26 2015
01. All I Need
02. Passed Out
03. Roll Over
04. I'm Right Here By Your Side
05. Low Tide
06. Feed On Me
07. Ordinary Life Pt. 1
08. Ordinary Life Pt. 2
09. Los Deftones
10. Sail With Me To McD
11. Don't Wanna Go
12 Used And Abused (feat. Jerry Cantrell)
13. How Are You Today?
Source: http://goo.gl/5rpNIO (http://goo.gl/5rpNIO)
I expected the Lemon party link, I'm disappointed.
Quote from: MrVesanique on Apr 02, 2015, 12:43 AM
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Apr 01, 2015, 04:47 PM
omg guys, tracklist and album title have been announced!
Deftunes are proud to announce their forthcoming album entitled ".8 - The Cheng Chapter", which is expected to be released on October 26 2015
01. All I Need
02. Passed Out
03. Roll Over
04. I'm Right Here By Your Side
05. Low Tide
06. Feed On Me
07. Ordinary Life Pt. 1
08. Ordinary Life Pt. 2
09. Los Deftones
10. Sail With Me To McD
11. Don't Wanna Go
12 Used And Abused (feat. Jerry Cantrell)
13. How Are You Today?
Source: http://goo.gl/5rpNIO (http://goo.gl/5rpNIO)
I expected the Lemon party link, I'm disappointed.
Nice attempt, though it was quite obvious it wasn't true
Quote from: snw9 on Apr 02, 2015, 05:53 AM
Nice attempt, though it was quite obvious it wasn't true
That was my intention. To make it dumb and obvious ;)
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Apr 02, 2015, 10:53 AM
Quote from: snw9 on Apr 02, 2015, 05:53 AM
Nice attempt, though it was quite obvious it wasn't true
That was my intention. To make it dumb and obvious ;)
nice try
Haha, I really dig the April Fools Duh acrosstic there, nice work.
If you follow a guy in Instagram called marcmojoisback is seems to be spending a lot of time in the studio with the band posting photos.
(http://www.ihiphop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/niykee-heaton-sexy-studio.jpg)
EDIT: Picture is unrelated to the deftones studio but still I thought i would share :D
is that the love child of rhonda rousey and scarlett johansson wearing yoga pants in a deftones studio
think i just described my ultimate fantasy, would've even been better if she had blixa's bare feet
Holy motherf-
yes i'll take 2.
Quote from: B0RNtoR0CK on Apr 09, 2015, 09:36 PM
EDIT: Picture is unrelated to the deftones studio but still I thought i would share :D
thanks
don't
Did someone posted this photo around here? Saw it on the sevenstring.org Deftones thread...I think its from Matt Hyde instagram:
My old boss stopped by the studio to lay down some fire on a Def track
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/e15/10597412_1626515304247499_2104466168_n.jpg
Maybe Jerry Cantrell will be on the new album
Quote from: nicklav on Feb 27, 2015, 06:15 AM
Steph needs to use the other 7 strings on the guitar and Chino needs to sing to his abilities. Literally all I want. No more chug chug on the bottom string and Chino straining to hit notes.
Wait, so you don't like the deftones?
JK LOL ;D
Quote from: film_maker on Apr 10, 2015, 10:49 PM
Did someone posted this photo around here? Saw it on the sevenstring.org Deftones thread...I think its from Matt Hyde instagram:
My old boss stopped by the studio to lay down some fire on a Def track
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/e15/10597412_1626515304247499_2104466168_n.jpg
Maybe Jerry Cantrell will be on the new album
previous page, jebus
Quote from: Bifrost on Apr 10, 2015, 11:17 PM
Quote from: nicklav on Feb 27, 2015, 06:15 AM
Steph needs to use the other 7 strings on the guitar and Chino needs to sing to his abilities. Literally all I want. No more chug chug on the bottom string and Chino straining to hit notes.
Wait, so you don't like the deftones?
JK LOL ;D
I agree, no more chug chug.. Kinda tired of that style.. Really hope we get some more experimental guitar from Steph on this record.. Kinda like the Eros song that was released..
I think it's fine for him to stick with the chuggy riffs and power chords as long as Chino is playing his more intricate/pretty riffs but would definitely like to see him get more dynamics back into his playing I'm sure by now the appeal of being able to play a riff on the low strings a get something really heavy has worn off a bit and he's now looking to see how he can use all the range the 8 provides, plus he said in that interview he's looking to get his knowledge up so maybe he's actually learnt a bit of theory or new techniques that will appear on the new stuff.
Yea, as a guitar player, I'm not usually a fan of djent (chug) riffs, I feel they are boring and involve no particular skill. But, Deftones pulls it off exceptionally well thanks to the soundscapes they create. Abe's drumming, Chino's Voice, and Frank's keys, everything works in unison to create ambiance. I will have no problem whatsoever if they're new album has chugging.
I just hope Stephen uses a real amp on this album as oppose to the Axe FX (digital modeler of amps) he used on KOI NOI YOKAN. KNY lacked punch from the guitar which was apparent, I mean, listen to You've Seen the Butcher or Rocket Skates (real amp), so much punch (from speaker movement). AXE FX straight to recording interface (Axe FX + impulse) will not give you that.
I think from the latest interviews he said hes moved on to Orange amps+cabs (away from AXE FX)?
Heres an interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_cKnDL2KjY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_cKnDL2KjY)
I noticed Stef had a Kahler Tremolo installed on some guitars so it'll be interesting to see how he's utilizing it.
You're right about the AxeFx. It's a dream for intricate sounds a mish mash of pedals and amps require, but it's still digital and lacking.
I felt he was starting to experiment more with SNW than fell back to the 'Shuggah djent b.s. Snore.
Quote from: Robotsatemygrandma on Apr 14, 2015, 05:54 AM
I felt he was starting to experiment more with SNW than fell back to the 'Shuggah djent b.s. Snore.
Yeah in hindsight SNW had a really evolved sound. And it seems like they were continuing to push the envelope based off the couple of Eros tracks that got leaked. But DE and KNY definitely felt simplistic in comparison. Here's hoping for more groove-based riffage (think of Beware's outro) and melody lines (Smile, Dallas) on their next.
Tentative release date Monday 21st September (UK) / Tuesday 22nd September (US)
NB. Although this is likely to change as worldwide release day changing to Friday from July.
(Source was a little Chino interview on Radio 1 Rock Show last night when the London Wembley Arena show was also announced).
Papa Roach's Infest and Deftones Announcement
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05rnc98 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05rnc98)
Jerry and Jacoby from Papa Roach join Dan 15 years on from the release of Infest. Chino from the Deftones announces the band's return to the UK this November. Our Rockest Record was an exclusive track from Black Peaks called 'Crooks'. And we had exclusives from In Hearts Wake, and Anti-Flag.
Sept 25th according to Chino
No way it comes out in September.
Quote from: E-Money on Apr 27, 2015, 08:05 PM
No way it comes out in September.
Skip to 3:20
http://loudwire.com/chino-moreno-release-date-new-deftones-album/ (http://loudwire.com/chino-moreno-release-date-new-deftones-album/)
He said tentative so yeah it's not certain, but at least hopefully it'll be around there.
you should realize that chino is a fucking liar, but i wish this time it were true, because they are coming to southamerica by the end of september.
I hope it does come out then but usually it's delayed 4 or 5 months. I bet we get it in December or early next year. Hope I'm wrong tho.
2 more hours!
I'm a little worried that Chino is recording his vocals at his home studio...lol.
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 28, 2015, 02:20 AM
I'm a little worried that Chino is recording his vocals at his home studio...lol.
Me too. He should have done them at Megawatts with Matt Hyde and the rest of the band consulting him. At home he might get too comfortable so I'm worried the vocals end up half-assed. Not to mention the inferior sound quality.
I don't think he will he hasn't for anything else apart from TS demos, Really don't think he would do that with a Deftones record especially when he doesn't even do it for side projects which whilst done at other band members houses are done when those band members are producers themselves who have the right setup especially don't see why he would do that when he's already at the studio with the rest of the guys doing his guitar parts would be stupid for him to then leave and record them at home.
Just listened to the interview Chino did, Interesting what he said about their song writing and how their looking more into their song structure wonder if that means time signatures and what not, I know Stephen wanted to learn more theory so maybe he's done that and is working in polyrythms or something, going to be cool to see what the results going to be now they've made a point to focus on going outside the box.
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Apr 28, 2015, 06:41 AM
I don't think he will he hasn't for anything else apart from TS demos, Really don't think he would do that with a Deftones record especially when he doesn't even do it for side projects which whilst done at other band members houses are done when those band members are producers themselves who have the right setup especially don't see why he would do that when he's already at the studio with the rest of the guys doing his guitar parts would be stupid for him to then leave and record them at home.
Could you write your opinion not in an endless sentences? It's really difficult to read your longer posts when everythign is one big sentence.
It could just be that he's writing the vocals at home, to record in studio later.
EDIT: nvm.
Speaking of how Stephen and the gang are focusing on their song structures more... does anyone remember that video (post Koi No Yokan) where Stephen said he wont be tuning down his guitars anymore and is going to focus more on theory and improvement, and possibly wanted to take some MIT classes on music theory? Could someone hook me up with a Youtube link to that interview if you remember?
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Apr 28, 2015, 04:48 PM
It could just be that he's writing the vocals at home, to record in studio later.
EDIT: nvm.
I was thinking the same, why spend money in studio when you can listen and write in home and record later at a professional studio? I think thats not crazy at all.
Quote from: endstand on Apr 28, 2015, 04:21 PM
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Apr 28, 2015, 06:41 AM
I don't think he will he hasn't for anything else apart from TS demos, Really don't think he would do that with a Deftones record especially when he doesn't even do it for side projects which whilst done at other band members houses are done when those band members are producers themselves who have the right setup especially don't see why he would do that when he's already at the studio with the rest of the guys doing his guitar parts would be stupid for him to then leave and record them at home.
Could you write your opinion not in an endless sentences? It's really difficult to read your longer posts when everythign is one big sentence.
I'm just using paragraphs, if you can read according to punctuation it shouldn't really run on most of the time, my comma key is being dodgy lately and not putting them in when I press it.
Quote from: E-Money on Apr 28, 2015, 12:41 AM
I hope it does come out then but usually it's delayed 4 or 5 months. I bet we get it in December or early next year. Hope I'm wrong tho.
naw man
November the latest mid to late October the earliest.
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11178205_10153328598407491_3020246281737897838_n.jpg?oh=38cdac22f764838720f543e75e3352f1&oe=55CE20C1)
Posted on Facebook today... I'm dreaming, but it would be sick if this photo is foreshadowing that Robert Smith might appear on the new record... Cool photo regardless.
who the hell is that person in the middle? Robert Smith???
Dope pic Abe looks so stoked haha. Would be so cool to meet all the greats in the industry. Pretty crazy that Madona is probably one of the first famous musicians that they met at the beginning of their career.
Quote from: pony_01 on May 03, 2015, 04:20 PM
who the hell is that person in the middle? Robert Smith???
of course
I don't give a shit if we hear any vocals from Smith.I just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it .Vocals will be a bonus if he decides to do it. If this collaboration happens in any form it will be a classic track regardless.
That story about "early next year" sounds so familiar... I wonder why... ;)
He demo'ing his vocals at home on his digi007. He wouldn't be recording the final takes.
Quote from: 82IR@Q on May 03, 2015, 10:25 PMI just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.
Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.
He's not a expert guitar player but he can write cool stuff, he's actually pretty similar to Robert Smith in how he plays simple stuff with a lot of atmosphere so I'd be pretty excited to seem them collaborate.
Quote from: Crazylegs on May 04, 2015, 02:33 PM
Quote from: 82IR@Q on May 03, 2015, 10:25 PMI just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.
Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.
Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on May 04, 2015, 03:10 PM
Quote from: Crazylegs on May 04, 2015, 02:33 PM
Quote from: 82IR@Q on May 03, 2015, 10:25 PMI just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.
Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.
Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.
he only tries to cover the fact that he is singing like shit.
Quote from: cvthedrv on May 04, 2015, 03:34 PM
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on May 04, 2015, 03:10 PM
Quote from: Crazylegs on May 04, 2015, 02:33 PM
Quote from: 82IR@Q on May 03, 2015, 10:25 PMI just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.
Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.
Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.
he only tries to cover the fact that he is singing like shit.
gtfo
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on May 04, 2015, 03:10 PM
Quote from: Crazylegs on May 04, 2015, 02:33 PM
Quote from: 82IR@Q on May 03, 2015, 10:25 PMI just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.
Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.
Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.
One of the main reasons i still listen to deftones is that i find a lot of Chino's vocal work and melodies really cool, but his way of writing/thinking music just doesn't translate to his guitar playing I think. To me it mostly ends up sounding super juvenile, if that makes sense. Digital bath is probably one of the better ones. For instance, check out the parts of minerva where he's playing by himself. What the fuck?
Didn't he also write Riviere? I like his part on that.
The interplay between Stef and Chino on guitar is what is giving this band a lot of its longevity, dynamics, and innovation. Chino's stuff on the albums is generally pretty great but he's incredibly sloppy/lazy live which results in some poor sounding performances.
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on May 04, 2015, 03:56 PM
Quote from: cvthedrv on May 04, 2015, 03:34 PM
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on May 04, 2015, 03:10 PM
Quote from: Crazylegs on May 04, 2015, 02:33 PM
Quote from: 82IR@Q on May 03, 2015, 10:25 PMI just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.
Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.
Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.
he only tries to cover the fact that he is singing like shit.
gtfo
talk like a real person, dumbass.
Quote from: Crazylegs on May 04, 2015, 04:01 PM
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on May 04, 2015, 03:10 PM
Quote from: Crazylegs on May 04, 2015, 02:33 PM
Quote from: 82IR@Q on May 03, 2015, 10:25 PMI just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.
Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.
Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.
One of the main reasons i still listen to deftones is that i find a lot of Chino's vocal work and melodies really cool, but his way of writing/thinking music just doesn't translate to his guitar playing I think. To me it mostly ends up sounding super juvenile, if that makes sense. Digital bath is probably one of the better ones. For instance, check out the parts of minerva where he's playing by himself. What the fuck?
I disagree that Chino shouldn't play guitar as it actually gives another side of Deftones, a more slower one with melodies, atmospheric elements. For example the song Change, he wrote some of the riffs against Stephen's wishes and by adding Frank's effects, its clearly one of their best songs.
Perhaps he shouldn't play on every song so that there can be a balance of dynamics.
i'd rather steph do something about his lazy ugly ass riffs (thanks for ruining rosemary bro) than chino with his simple melodic stuff
Quote from: Penicks on May 04, 2015, 05:43 PM
i'd rather steph do something about his lazy ugly ass riffs (thanks for ruining rosemary bro) than chino with his simple melodic stuff
Yes. More Feiticeria and less chug chug.
Quote from: nicklav on May 04, 2015, 06:09 PM
Quote from: Penicks on May 04, 2015, 05:43 PM
i'd rather steph do something about his lazy ugly ass riffs (thanks for ruining rosemary bro) than chino with his simple melodic stuff
Yes. More Feiticeria and less chug chug.
+1
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on May 04, 2015, 03:10 PM
Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.
yeah but he shamelessly took the chords from the smashing pumpkin's song "daphne descends".
i would'nt say he's "beyond terrible" with the guitar - that's going too far.but he is terrible.
speaking of his melodies/vocals, chino's vocals and melodies outside of deftones aren't that great to me....his melodies and stephen's guitar playing by themselves aren't anything super special - It's when his melodies are combined with stef's simple riffs - that's when fireworks occurs. It's like the sum becomes greater than the components, 1+1=3 kind of deal. i'm pretty tired of chino ballads and hope stef write some awesme adrenaline riffs that chino can go nuts on. riffs where you actually can hear a guitarist having fun playing the instrument.
That being said, "smile" from eros was fucking amazeballs.
Yea Chino sounds great on Smile.
Quote from: Crazylegs on May 04, 2015, 04:01 PM
For instance, check out the parts of minerva where he's playing by himself. What the fuck?
That is one of their best songs and Chino is a main part of that. The sound is huge...Stephen and Chino's tone is perfect and it plays off of each other great .
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on May 04, 2015, 02:55 PM
He's not a expert guitar player but he can write cool stuff, he's actually pretty similar to Robert Smith in how he plays simple stuff with a lot of atmosphere so I'd be pretty excited to seem them collaborate.
Exactly.
I'm curious to see how they approach the guitar work this album. Stephen said he's going to focus more on improving his playing and doesn't plan to tune down anymore because he has enough range with his 8 string . Chino has always added the melodic and "pretty" sounding chords to their guitar work.. He loves major 7 and add 9 chords and bends a lot of his notes which adds that dynamic feeling in his licks/ riffs; even though his skill level is rather intermediate on the guitar, he still adds that essential ingredient to Deftones sound after ATF.
I believe that both Chino and Stephen don't really understand their music theory on a lot of the songs they create, but they always seem to make it work very well. Chino said they focused even more on the song structure this record so I'm hoping for a White Pony II (lulz) or better.
Yeah your right about the theory thing, I've seen interviews were they are asked about how they write with an 8 and a 6 in different tunings and there's theory behind it they just play until something sounds good, I actually like that though I think when someone has alot of theory knowledge it can lock them in a bit because they have all these rules they feel they should be following.
As for the song structure thing I'm guessing they're talking about the song going places you wouldn't expect as in building up but then going super quiet, I remember them talking about how going into WP they decided to make an effort to do something different which they also seem to be striving for this time around, so it's seems it could be a kind of a spiritual successor to WP, whether it'll be good is unknown at this point but I thinks it's pretty cool their still pushing themselves to mix it up.
Don't hope so much guys, since SNW, there is nothing really creative or original. Even songs like we have on KNY (Romantic Dreams) where we can find some improvements, the song is boring and nothing works like a Digital Bath.
I just hope they will go really out of what they have done before, make the surprise and that's it.
^To be fair, I thought Rosemary was a good leap forward in the song writing.
Stephen just needs to utilize his 8 string a bit more and try to experiment with bigger and complex chords rather than relying on power chords or just the lowest 8th an 7th string root notes all the time, although he has written a ton of bad ass stuff with this formula...
I feel like the quick work ethic they developed since Diamond Eyes can enable Stephen and the other guys (except for Abe) to be a bit lazy/complacent with some elements of the songs. Of course I know studio time is very expensive, but maybe if they didn't rush the writing process like they have with the past couple records we might have one of the best Deftones records to date. Who knows, maybe they have some songs on this record they've had up their sleeves or have been crafting for awhile...
Come on man, Stephen already stepped up his game with his 8 string on Koi No Yokan. You're talking like you want him to actually shred or play these lame-ass metal licks, like every other generic metal band. Besides, he uses his higher strings quite often, as evident on songs like Smile, WHTY?, Beauty School, etc.
I was pretty proud to hear that he took on a solo on that song Dallas from the Eros session... it'd be cool to get something different is really all I'm trying to say from his past formula. Shred isn't what I envisioned either lol. I don't think he downgraded on KNY but he didn't go over the top either.
I see, no hard feelings. I'm just not a huge fan of solos or anything that puts the spotlight on only one musician. Wouldn't like to hear that in their music.
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on May 06, 2015, 10:46 PM
I see, no hard feelings. I'm just not a huge fan of solos or anything that puts the spotlight on only one musician. Wouldn't like to hear that in their music.
That's cool, man. I understand where you're coming from and I respect your opinion.. and trust me I dont want to see Stephen and Chino doing solos back to back on stage and shit like an 80's hair band, haha.
BOOM!
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deftones-new-album-to-feature-guest-appearance-by-alice-in-chains-jerry-cantrell/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deftones-new-album-to-feature-guest-appearance-by-alice-in-chains-jerry-cantrell/)
Quote from: RoyalDeftonicBoy on May 11, 2015, 05:21 AM
BOOM!
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deftones-new-album-to-feature-guest-appearance-by-alice-in-chains-jerry-cantrell/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deftones-new-album-to-feature-guest-appearance-by-alice-in-chains-jerry-cantrell/)
Oooh, interesting !!
Quote from: tarkil on May 11, 2015, 05:39 AM
Quote from: RoyalDeftonicBoy on May 11, 2015, 05:21 AM
BOOM!
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deftones-new-album-to-feature-guest-appearance-by-alice-in-chains-jerry-cantrell/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deftones-new-album-to-feature-guest-appearance-by-alice-in-chains-jerry-cantrell/)
Oooh, interesting !!
Excited to hear how this will turn out!
always loved Jerry's playing style and tone
should be interesting
Chino says he's ripping off Morrissey for the new album:
http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blog/deftones-chino-moreno-on-their-spacey-morrissey-inspired-new-album?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=deftones (http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blog/deftones-chino-moreno-on-their-spacey-morrissey-inspired-new-album?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=deftones)
Interesting. Between Chino's Morrissey influence and how missing Chi "seeps into the music", I think this album might be a lot moodier and sadder than DE and KNY.
Might turn out good. Morrissey's vocals are a great thing to be influenced by.
As I suspected I believe this will be their softest record. Not really "soft" per se, but I think the heaviness will stem from Steph's riffs rather than Chino's vocals. More like Tempest kind of heavy than something straight upbeat like Royal, Poltergeist, Rats, etc., if you know what I mean.
Not sure how I feel about that.
Yeah, I don't think there will be many vocally heavy parts to this album. Chino's been doing less and less of it recently, and I think he's probably decided that he has enough heavy songs in their discography already that he doesn't need to try to make a very heavy album. But I don't think that would come as a surprise to anyone; I mean, listen to Hexagram and then listen to Leathers. Ah well, maybe he'll surprise us, but I'm excited for the album, definitely.
I like their slower songs just as much. But a faster, heavier song here and there inbetween slower tracks was always pretty exciting to me. Without them there would be something missing. I'm just speculating, though.
Quote from: ANattyRat on May 12, 2015, 07:46 PM
I mean, listen to Hexagram and then listen to Leathers.
I'd already be satisfied with a track as heavy as Leathers, I have to admit. But I doubt even that's going to happen
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on May 12, 2015, 08:02 PM
Quote from: ANattyRat on May 12, 2015, 07:46 PM
I mean, listen to Hexagram and then listen to Leathers.
I'd already be satisfied with a track as heavy as Leathers, I have to admit. But I doubt even that's going to happen
I love Leathers, but I mean vocally, it's not quite as heavy, intense, as songs like Hexagram or Rats or something like that, you know? I'm not expecting a heavy album by any means, particularly vocally, but I still think there will be aspects of it. Whether it's enough for people's personal preferences, probably not, but we'll see.
Quote from: ANattyRat on May 12, 2015, 10:18 PM
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on May 12, 2015, 08:02 PM
Quote from: ANattyRat on May 12, 2015, 07:46 PM
I mean, listen to Hexagram and then listen to Leathers.
I'd already be satisfied with a track as heavy as Leathers, I have to admit. But I doubt even that's going to happen
I love Leathers, but I mean vocally, it's not quite as heavy, intense, as songs like Hexagram or Rats or something like that, you know? I'm not expecting a heavy album by any means, particularly vocally, but I still think there will be aspects of it. Whether it's enough for people's personal preferences, probably not, but we'll see.
What I tried to say was that I'd already be happy if there was a song on the record that reaches the intensity of Leathers. I know it's less abrasive than say Hexagram or Rats, but it's heavy enough for me.
In their most recent performances, I've noticed a bit more "darkness" and "abrasiveness" in ALL of their musical-expression. Chino's screams seem to have enhanced. Steph has been moving around & getting more "into it," I've seen. Sergio's always hyped, haha. Abe always bangs those drums hard. But, most importantly, Steph and Chino seem to be in a zone that reminds me of the "Self-Titled" Era...and I see how it rubs off on Abe and Sergio. I think we're in for something kind of dark and trashy, but still atmospheric; similar to White Pony, but much more screwy, weird, and interesting.
Just my thoughts!
Quote from: NotebookLives. on May 13, 2015, 06:31 AM
In their most recent performances, I've noticed a bit more "darkness" and "abrasiveness" in ALL of their musical-expression. Chino's screams seem to have enhanced. Steph has been moving around & getting more "into it," I've seen. Sergio's always hyped, haha. Abe always bangs those drums hard. But, most importantly, Steph and Chino seem to be in a zone that reminds me of the "Self-Titled" Era...and I see how it rubs off on Abe and Sergio. I think we're in for something kind of dark and trashy, but still atmospheric; similar to White Pony, but much more screwy, weird, and interesting.
Just my thoughts!
here's hopin
http://www.alt987fm.com/media/play/abe-and-sergio-from-deftones-backstage-26038330/ (http://www.alt987fm.com/media/play/abe-and-sergio-from-deftones-backstage-26038330/)
New interview
Sounds like Jerry....
https://instagram.com/p/24-pWNvWHi/
The image in the background could be a nice album cover.
Quote from: defsteve on May 20, 2015, 08:37 AM
Sounds like Jerry....
https://instagram.com/p/24-pWNvWHi/
It does. Sounds good!
holy hell that sounds goooooooood
Really weird to hear a deftones song with a solo.
Really weird, yes. But sounds pretty epic.
It's unmistakably Deftones, though. Only Abe hits the tubs like that
pinch harmonics can suck my dick
Quote from: Crazylegs on May 20, 2015, 01:08 PM
pinch harmonics can suck my dick
Yup I hate squealies
I usually hate them, too. They're not too over the top on this one, though. We'll see...
Just reminds of cheesy bands like Guns and Roses where some tosser stands in a windy place with no shirt on.
I know it's just a sound grab but if it's them, the drums are sounding more punchy. Finally.
Yeah, that snare is coming through nice. Hard to judge how this will sound by just a few seconds of a song, but that doesn't keep me from being excited!
I can already picture Chino trying to pull that solo off himself, when (if) they play it live ;D
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on May 20, 2015, 04:14 PM
I can already picture Chino trying to pull that solo off himself, when (if) they play it live ;D
hahaha, that will be hilarious. SO excited.
I think it sounds pretty cool. It's definitely Abe, u can totally tell. Hopefully we hear some more soon.
this is totally new from deftones so im pretty excited.
That sounds fucking massive and I hate to use the cliche term "epic" to describe a song but that was the initial feeling it invoked upon first listen. Really excited to see where that track goes... this is exciting.
sounds alright...kinda iffy on solos but that riff at the last second or two totally made up for it
I know its only a few seconds... but I cant stop replaying this! Seems Rosemary-ish, which is exciting, since I love that song. Needless to say, this clip has me PUMPED!
Damn, this got me excited !!!!!!!!!!! :o
there are times when you just wonder "gosh wtf is going on everyone's gone crazy or what" and this is the case
what track are y'all talking about? i've been looking through the whole thread and found nothing interesting. if you're on about that shit on instagram, the stuff that's there bears but the slightest resemblance to what the Deftones sound like... you must be trollin or something. and who is Jerry?
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/001/582/picard-facepalm.jpg)
that's just what i been expectin tho
I'm really hoping this person is just trolling. Also, how many tracks do you guys think will be on the album? I'm thinking 11 or 12.
hahah, who's Jerry?
Quote from: Knucklestones on May 21, 2015, 08:35 PM
I'm really hoping this person is just trolling. Also, how many tracks do you guys think will be on the album? I'm thinking 11 or 12.
Thinking around the same number because there is a total of 16 tracks and Chino said in that recent magazine interview that they would be getting rid of 4 or 5 of the 16.
Hopefully they make them bonus tracks or they leak somehow... 4 or 5 could be similar to like Finger of Death or Lovers that slip thru the cracks because they don't fit with the rest of the album or the label says they don't agree with them, etc.
well i've googled that shit, jerry (now with a small letter) is some fucker of alice and chains, he's fixin to fuck up some of deftones songs.
look at passenger, pink cellphone, or mein, when some bastards get into the vocal the song turns out totally fuckt up.
im still hopin that track on instagram isn't really deftones. KNY was a great disappointment to me, and if they keep going dat way they'll come down to a level of linkin park.
Quote from: astynk on May 21, 2015, 09:41 PM
well i've googled that shit, jerry (now with a small letter) is some fucker of alice and chains
You've solved the case, Columbo. Good job.
was that meant to be sarcastic or what
Quote from: astynk on May 21, 2015, 10:00 PM
was that meant to be sarcastic or what
Yes, it was. and for the record, Jerry Cantrell is fucking awesome
Quote from: astynk on May 21, 2015, 10:00 PM
was that meant to be sarcastic or what
You solved another case. Looks like you're going to get promoted to detective!
Quote from: astynk on May 21, 2015, 09:41 PM
well i've googled that shit, jerry (now with a small letter) is some fucker of alice and chains, he's fixin to fuck up some of deftones songs.
look at passenger, pink cellphone, or mein, when some bastards get into the vocal the song turns out totally fuckt up.
im still hopin that track on instagram isn't really deftones. KNY was a great disappointment to me, and if they keep going dat way they'll come down to a level of linkin park.
Oh my god, you did not just say that MAYNARD JAMES KEENAN screwed up Passenger. Please, for the love of god, tell me that was a joke.
I'm not really a fan of Alice In Chains; I like a few of their songs, but it's generally just not my thing. But it doesn't really matter, because this isn't an Alice In Chains song, it's a Deftones song featuring a guitar solo from a guy from Alice In Chains. There's a massive difference. I think this will probably be one of their least Deftones-sounding songs, along with a few others. But that's the point. They've been around for over 20 years, they've changed their sound in some ways every album, while still generally keeping that aspect that makes them unrecognisably Deftones. But they also like to push their boundaries or do something very uncharacteristic once in a while. Guitar solo? Definitely uncharacteristic.
Sounds big!
Quote from: astynk on May 21, 2015, 09:41 PM
look at passenger, pink cellphone, or mein, when some bastards get into the vocal the song turns out totally fuckt up.
(http://s.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2012-09_5/13483236408996.png)
well now I even like Deftones a bit less because I don't want to share my fav band with bastards like you guys.
Quote from: astynk on May 22, 2015, 03:28 PM
well now I even like Deftones a bit less because I don't want to share my fav band with bastards like you guys.
man, i have feel like that in many times, the 85% of the deftones fanbase are dumbfucks and attention whores.
Quote from: cvthedrv on May 22, 2015, 03:32 PM
Quote from: astynk on May 22, 2015, 03:28 PM
well now I even like Deftones a bit less because I don't want to share my fav band with bastards like you guys.
man, i have feel like that in many times, the 85% of the deftones fanbase are dumbfucks and attention whores.
That's too bad. I tend to think they have one of the best fan bases, with the occasional outliers that come here and insult the band for working with other artists and call us all bastards.
It's true. Deftones fans are dumb as shit. It's why I generally don't like to talk about music with people. Either they don't like the kind of music I like and so we have nothing in common. Or, they do like the music I like and are just painful to talk to.
Why can't we all get along and be nice to eachother, you stupid motherfuckers?
That's the problem though, most of us Deftones fans are bipolar, so we hug each other while holding spears.
Quote from: cvthedrv on May 22, 2015, 03:32 PM
Quote from: astynk on May 22, 2015, 03:28 PM
well now I even like Deftones a bit less because I don't want to share my fav band with bastards like you guys.
man, i have feel like that in many times, the 85% of the deftones fanbase are dumbfucks and attention whores.
well. it's kinda love-hate relationship. you will get used to it
Quote from: cvthedrv on May 22, 2015, 03:32 PM
Quote from: astynk on May 22, 2015, 03:28 PM
well now I even like Deftones a bit less because I don't want to share my fav band with bastards like you guys.
man, i have feel like that in many times, the 85% of the deftones fanbase are dumbfucks and attention whores.
I find this post very interesting. I wonder, what is it that makes you think anyone here is a "dumbfuck?" From an outside perspective, from someone completely objective who wasn't involved in the matter at all, what I saw is a new fellow come in and voice his opinion. Then I saw others disagree with that opinion. Somehow, by doing the same thing as the original person, those others are "bastards."
I found it interesting how another then mentioned that
Quote from: rainnyx4 on May 22, 2015, 05:05 PM
...Deftones fans are dumb as shit... Either they don't like the kind of music I like and so we have nothing in common.
Interesting how one can have an opinion, yet when others have one as well, which may be equally as valid in their own minds, it makes that other person "dumb as shit."
I must say though, that by not knowing who Jerry Cantrell is, you're not making yourself look good. Of course not "stupid," but more rather ignorant. Which is fine, it's okay to be ignorant, and I don't mean that in an insulting fashion as many people use it these days. Alice in Chains is a wildly popular band and has been so for a very long time. You can't blame people for finding it hard to believe that a self proclaimed Deftones fan wouldn't know who Jerry Cantrell is, even if you don't like his style. And from what I understand, he is not contributing vocally, only with a guitar solo in one single song.
In the end, my opinion differs quite wildly from yours. I liked Koi No Yokan, a lot actually. I also very much like Passenger, even though it is not nearly my favorite off of White Pony. I even, in stark contrast to the majority of Deftones fans, don't mind Mein all that much.
It seems quite horrifically ironic that the only people here that I would objectively consider "dumb as shit," "bastards," "crazy," "dumbfucks," or "attention whores" are the ones who used those words to begin with.
I'll end with this quote, because I think it hits the nail on the head pretty well.
Quote from: nicklav on May 22, 2015, 04:13 PM
That's too bad. I tend to think they have one of the best fan bases, with the occasional outliers that come here and insult the band for working with other artists and call us all bastards.
Here's my take on Deftones fans.. the ratio of pics of hot chicks in band shirts/with band tattoos is much higher when searching #Deftones on instagram than any other band I follow. 8)
Opinions can make you dumb as shit if your opinions are dumb as shit.
People need to stop acting like all opinions are made equal.
Quote from: ShadowScars on May 22, 2015, 06:42 PM
Here's my take on Deftones fans.. the ratio of pics of hot chicks in band shirts/with band tattoos is much higher when searching #Deftones on instagram than any other band I follow. 8)
True, haha
back to the topic
http://diymag.com/2015/05/21/deftones-describe-the-more-freeing-experience-of-making-their-new-album (http://diymag.com/2015/05/21/deftones-describe-the-more-freeing-experience-of-making-their-new-album)
Quote from: astynk on May 22, 2015, 03:28 PM
well now I even like Deftones a bit less because I don't want to share my fav band with bastards like you guys.
Hahaha, this guy is my new favorite poster.
Quote from: ShadowScars on May 22, 2015, 06:42 PM
Here's my take on Deftones fans.. the ratio of pics of hot chicks in band shirts/with band tattoos is much higher when searching #Deftones on instagram than any other band I follow. 8)
can confirm
Quote from: rainnyx4 on May 22, 2015, 07:32 PM
Opinions can make you dumb as shit if your opinions are dumb as shit.
People need to stop acting like all opinions are made equal.
Yes, when it's something like thinking the government is spraying toxic chemicals through chemtrails, not what song or band sounds good.
Quote from: astynk on May 22, 2015, 03:28 PM
well now I even like Deftones a bit less because I don't want to share my fav band with bastards like you guys.
It all makes sense now.....
Yeah this new album is gonna suck Chino can't sing and they have to put Jerry on the album so there is at least one good guitar player but he fucked that up too because he used pinch harmonics. I'm gonna listen to it on repeat forever just to show everyone how much I hate it.
Take that society.
https://instagram.com/p/3AVm2IvWMC/?taken-by=tholyghost
Another snippet? And if so, why are they letting Chuck post all these clips?
Quote from: Inkblades on May 23, 2015, 01:15 AM
https://instagram.com/p/3AVm2IvWMC/?taken-by=tholyghost
Another snippet? And if so, why are they letting Chuck post all these clips?
Maybe it's not deftones stuff and just another project he's working on?
Quote from: Inkblades on May 23, 2015, 01:15 AM
https://instagram.com/p/3AVm2IvWMC/?taken-by=tholyghost
Another snippet? And if so, why are they letting Chuck post all these clips?
whoa, I didnt expect that already. I'm surprised they allowed him to.
Quote from: Inkblades on May 23, 2015, 01:15 AM
https://instagram.com/p/3AVm2IvWMC/?taken-by=tholyghost
Another snippet? And if so, why are they letting Chuck post all these clips?
Not too sure if it's Deftones this time. Doesn't sound too much like Stef's guitar sound
Yeah that one sounds far off, Chuck is doing his own thing aswell as Crosses and Team Sleep so it's possible one or both of these are from his solo stuff, the Deftones like guitar on the first track might even be a guest appearance or something
This snippet is better than the first one with the solo. Maybe Stephen has changed his guitar sound like he was doing before (DE and KNY wasn't too different compare to the transitions we have seen before: ATF->WP).
Anyway, if it's from Crosses, I freaking love it.
ooh i like that sound very much
Just listened to it with headphones. Changed my mind, it does indeed sound like something Stef would do. It reminds me of the Rosemary riff, but way heavier. So sick!
2nd clip sounds a lot like the riff in the song "here to stay" by korn. i hope it's not on the album
Quote from: from_musings on May 23, 2015, 12:23 PM
2nd clip sounds a lot like the riff in the song "here to stay" by korn. i hope it's not on the album
I have to agree with your first sentence and disagree with your second.
It does indeed sound like korn, but I wouldn't immediately dismiss it and say that I hope it isn't on the album. It's a mere 10 seconds of a song.
EDIT: got out the guitar and did some investigation. the ringing out chord in the first few seconds of the video is a D, then the lowest note played is a C#. That's pretty high on the register for Stef, seeing as he tunes to drop e.
Quote from: xbloodycape on May 23, 2015, 05:22 PM
Quote from: from_musings on May 23, 2015, 12:23 PM
2nd clip sounds a lot like the riff in the song "here to stay" by korn. i hope it's not on the album
EDIT: got out the guitar and did some investigation. the ringing out chord in the first few seconds of the video is a D, then the lowest note played is a C#. That's pretty high on the register for Stef, seeing as he tunes to drop e.
Drop E tuning is E,B,E,A,D,G,B,e. Its like having a standard tuned seven string guitar with a low E in the first octave for the 8th string, which is the same octave as a low E on a standard tuned 4 string bass guitar. You have access to all the higher registers (octaves) just like 6 string guitars do in standard. I for sure hear him using the low E for the majority of the riff, with the exception of the harmonic that rings out throughout the clip as you mentioned.
edit: plus, keep in mind that Stephen is using Fishman pickups instead of EMG's... I can hear the difference in tone somewhat... sounds less compressed.
Quote from: from_musings on May 23, 2015, 12:23 PM
2nd clip sounds a lot like the riff in the song "here to stay" by korn. i hope it's not on the album
There are always going to be riffs in metal that sound similar to other bands. No reason to dislike it for that reason. Its inevitable.
whos to say those 2 clips arent just Shaun Lopez playin some heavy riffs?
Quote from: sharinglungs on May 23, 2015, 11:42 PM
whos to say those 2 clips arent just Shaun Lopez playin some heavy riffs?
There's a chance that this could be the case, but the drum fill at the end of the 1st clip sounds alot like Abe, and in the 2nd clip I can also tell its an 8 string being played and Stephen has used plenty of dissonant harmonics in past songs.It almost sounds like a delay trail of chino's voice is bleeding thru in the very beginning of the 2nd clip too. Basically, the signs of them are there is what I'm trying to say.
Quote from: deftoner664 on May 23, 2015, 07:59 PM
Quote from: xbloodycape on May 23, 2015, 05:22 PM
Quote from: from_musings on May 23, 2015, 12:23 PM
2nd clip sounds a lot like the riff in the song "here to stay" by korn. i hope it's not on the album
EDIT: got out the guitar and did some investigation. the ringing out chord in the first few seconds of the video is a D, then the lowest note played is a C#. That's pretty high on the register for Stef, seeing as he tunes to drop e.
Drop E tuning is E,B,E,A,D,G,B,e. Its basically like having a standard tuned seven string guitar with a low E in the first octave for the 8th string, which is the same octave as a low E on a standard tuned 4 string bass guitar. You have access to all the higher registers (octaves) just like 6 string guitars do in standard. I for sure hear him using the low E for the majority of the riff, with the exception of the harmonic that rings out throughout the clip as you mentioned.
edit: plus, keep in mind that Stephen is using Fishman pickups instead of EMG's... I can hear the difference in tone somewhat... sounds less compressed.
I know what drop E tuning is haha, but he definitely does not go below C#2 in the clip. I guess it could be explained, because Stef tunes down but sometimes moves his riffs up the neck. An example of this is Hole In The Earth, Stef is tuned to Drop F# but the song can be played in Drop D because he doesn't use anything below the 7th fret really.
edit: what I'm saying here is, I respectfully disagree, I do not believe there is an 8 or 7 string being played in either of the clips.
edit 2: what you may be hearing as the low E is probably the bass in the background. I hear a regular 6 string guitar tuned to Drop C# and a bass also tuned to drop C#.
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2nd clip sounds a lot like the riff in the song "here to stay" by korn. i hope it's not on the album
EDIT: got out the guitar and did some investigation. the ringing out chord in the first few seconds of the video is a D, then the lowest note played is a C#. That's pretty high on the register for Stef, seeing as he tunes to drop e.
Drop E tuning is E,B,E,A,D,G,B,e. Its basically like having a standard tuned seven string guitar with a low E in the first octave for the 8th string, which is the same octave as a low E on a standard tuned 4 string bass guitar. You have access to all the higher registers (octaves) just like 6 string guitars do in standard. I for sure hear him using the low E for the majority of the riff, with the exception of the harmonic that rings out throughout the clip as you mentioned.
edit: plus, keep in mind that Stephen is using Fishman pickups instead of EMG's... I can hear the difference in tone somewhat... sounds less compressed.
I know what drop E tuning is haha, but he definitely does not go below C#2 in the clip. I guess it could be explained, because Stef tunes down but sometimes moves his riffs up the neck. An example of this is Hole In The Earth, Stef is tuned to Drop F# but the song can be played in Drop D because he doesn't use anything below the 7th fret really.
edit: what I'm saying here is, I respectfully disagree, I do not believe there is an 8 or 7 string being played in either of the clips.
edit 2: what you may be hearing as the low E is probably the bass in the background. I hear a regular 6 string guitar tuned to Drop C# and a bass also tuned to drop C#.
Realize though that an 8 string can still play those exact same notes as a guitar in Drop C#. C#2 is available on the 2nd fret of the 7th string and at the 9th fret of the 8th string, so he can still play these notes. The riff resolves with a D power chord which he might be playing on the 3rd fret of the 7th string or even a bar chord at the 10th fret of the 8th string.. these note choices are all in the 2nd octave.
that clip is definitely Deftones.
anyone got a full pic / link/ info of that mural in the backdrop ?
looks like some Tibetan Book of the Dead type style physical art .
beautiful
https://instagram.com/p/3IQZDZPWE5/
Maybe a new clip? Nah, I think it sounds not right. It has a similar backdrop as the previous assumed Deftones clips, though.
I'll guarantee you now that nothing chuck is posting is deftones related.
Quote from: sharinglungs on May 26, 2015, 04:30 PM
I'll guarantee you now that nothing chuck is posting is deftones related.
The first one is Jerry Cantrell, the second one I dont know, the third one isnt Deftones.
Whosever this last clip is, it sounds absolutely magical. :-*
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I'll guarantee you now that nothing chuck is posting is deftones related.
The first one is Jerry Cantrell, the second one I dont know, the third one isnt Deftones.
I agree. Thought it was worth sharing anyway. You never know...
Then I'd better be checking out Alice in Chains! ;) This sounds amazing.
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Then I'd better be checking out Alice in Chains! ;) This sounds amazing.
Jerry's guitar work is tops 'cross the board.
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https://instagram.com/p/3IQZDZPWE5/
Maybe a new clip? Nah, I think it sounds not right. It has a similar backdrop as the previous assumed Deftones clips, though.
Did they take it down..? Link doesn't work for me.
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https://instagram.com/p/3IQZDZPWE5/
Maybe a new clip? Nah, I think it sounds not right. It has a similar backdrop as the previous assumed Deftones clips, though.
Did they take it down..? Link doesn't work for me.
Yeah they took it down. I tried playing it early in the day and it had no sound.
Reading the Deftones reddit, evidently Chuck went batshit posting a bunch of clips and then deleted them. I have no idea what the fuck's going on.
I bet he's laughing his ass off
https://instagram.com/p/3P4LwTQu_U
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That mixing console is monstrous.
https://twitter.com/MarcMojo/status/600757836969168896
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https://twitter.com/MarcMojo/status/600757836969168896
Such nonsense, ha ha ;)
looks like its from the early 90s lol
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That sounds really sick, but seriously im very tired of those kind of teasers which come from a guy who is not involved in the writting process nor the band, they're like fucking spoilers.
I had a dream last night where Deftones played the song with Cantrell live as an internet broadcast. At first, it sounded amazing, heavy as fuck, but for some stupid reason, the roadies kept bringing Cantrell comically over-sized bass guitars, so he never got to solo. Then he and Deftones were just like fuck it and left the stage.
Sorry, I probably should have put this in the bullshit thread instead.
www.theprp.com/2015/06/26/news/alice-in-chains-jerry-cantrell-speaks-about-his-deftones-cameo-chino-moreno-calls-new-album-a-challenge/ (http://www.theprp.com/2015/06/26/news/alice-in-chains-jerry-cantrell-speaks-about-his-deftones-cameo-chino-moreno-calls-new-album-a-challenge/)
Readying their first album since Chi Cheng's passing, we find Deftones in a contemplative mood. But with a Wembley show looming, this might be the calm before the storm...
Deftones frontman Chino Moreno is in good spirits today. Despite being laid low with illness, he's still polite, engaging and pleasant company as we quiz him about the state of his band in 2015. And why wouldn't he be? More than 10 years since their last headlining show at Wembley Arena, Deftones have announced they're returning there in November, and are sitting on what they believe is a triumphant new album.
During his chat with Hammer, the only time Chino's voice drops from a tone of contentment is when we mention his friend and former Deftones bassist, Chi Cheng, who sadly passed away in 2013 from injuries sustained in a car accident in 2008. For five years, he was in a semi-conscious state. While he underwent treatment, Deftones made the difficult decision to carry on making music without him, and enlisted longtime buddy and Quicksand man Sergio Vega to play on 2010's Diamond Eyes and 2012's Koi No Yokan. The forthcoming album is the first the band have made since Chi's death and, understandably, he's still on his friends' minds.
"I'd known him since I was 15, 16 years old," Chino begins. "I spent nearly every day of my life with him from school and touring the world. When I first moved out of my house, I moved in with him, so he's always been like a big brother to me. So it definitely affects me on a daily basis, and I think that when people hear the record, they will think things are a subconscious reference to Chi... and they might well be right, because I could definitely feel something, feel his spirit and his energy, while we were in the studio. But to be honest, ever since Diamond Eyes those thoughts and those feelings have been there, and I'm sure they have somehow made their way into our music..."
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Over the past few decades, Deftones have shown great determination in the face of adversity. Aside from coping with personal tragedy, they've ridden a rollercoaster that's taken them from the highs of being named one of the most exciting bands on the planet in the late 90s and early 00s, to the lows of infighting, identity struggles and 2006's critically unloved Saturday Night Wrist. Now, thanks to the unanimously positive response to their last two albums, they've looped back to the point where they're once again mentioned as one of metal's most-loved acts.
Currently in Los Angeles' Megawatt studios – previously home to legendary artists as disparate as My Chemical Romance and Tom Petty – they're now recording their eighth album, with Koi No Yokan producer Matt Hyde. But if there's been any pressure to sustain that momentum of success, drummer Abe Cunningham isn't showing it. "We've had a blast," he tells us, reflecting on the studio sessions so far. "We just thought rather than get together in an allotted time, you know, like, 'Here is your month to do an album,' we worked for the last year getting together a week here and a week there, and then going off and doing some shows to break it up. So it was just a nice way to do it. The pace of it, now we're adults, was much more relaxed. It was a really joyful process."
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It's heartening to hear Abe speak in those terms. After all, in days gone by Deftones have had a fractured relationship with the recording process, as well with each other. Creative tension between Chino and guitarist Stephen Carpenter was once a major talking point for gossip-hungry fans, and Chino later spoke of poor communication on Saturday Night Wrist. It seems Deftones have matured to a point where compromises are more easily made...
"Yeah, I agree," nods Abe. "It's gotten easier to get everyone's personalities into the music over time. But it's been hard in the past. That was well documented around the time of [2000's] White Pony, and it wasn't always fun to be around, but a lot of great music came out of it. What a stressful pain in the ass, though! Now we've been in the game this long – 27 years now, I believe – it has become easier. But that is still there – we just do things at a different pace now."
And you can hear it in Chino's voice, too. The old Chino, the one who appeared to steer the band toward the more melodic and cerebral waters, and who delayed doing his vocals for Saturday Night Wrist to work on ambient side-project Team Sleep, is nowhere to be seen today. He's been replaced with a man brimming with enthusiasm about getting a piece of work he's proud of released into the world as soon as possible.
"For the last couple of records, we've just gone in without any preconceived ideas of what we should do as a band," he reveals. "And that's always the most fun way to do things. [The new album] came together really quickly as a set of songs. The hardest thing for me is writing lyrics with the vocal patterns; it's kind of like a puzzle. But I think I'm about halfway through writing the lyrics right now. Once that's done, we'll be ready to mix the album."
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While Chino speaks of feeling Chi's "energy" in the studio, his verses and choruses won't consciously reflect the band's loss or pay tribute, instead following Deftones' more familiar, obtuse, poetic route.
"Ever since the day of his accident, we've been affected by it," says Chino. "And from that day on, and probably for the rest of our lives, we will be affected by it. We're an emotionally open band, but I don't think we're much of a literal band. So we aren't going to say, 'OK, we're going to write a record or a song and tell you about our feelings about Chi.' We aren't that type of band. We do keep those emotions close to us, and the only reason I say that is that, for me, it doesn't feel natural to sit down and try and write that song. I don't feel like that. This is still a deeply personal thing for me."
When it comes to sound, Deftones are difficult to second-guess – as Abe points out when he tells us, "Some people hear a song like Teenager and then hear a song like Elite, and say, 'How can this be the same band?'" All we know is that one of the new tracks features the guitar talents of Alice In Chains' Jerry Cantrell. Will the songs reflect the atmospheric post-rock of White Pony or the grooving moshpits anthems that made Around The Fur so popular? It could be both... it could be neither.
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"In a lot of ways, that's the hardest question," Chino replies. "I feel like each album is a snapshot of a time and place of our band. When I listen to, say, Around The Fur, it takes me right back to that time and place. You just have to capture the vibe of the time. I think we did that on this record, too. It's not like a typical riff-rock record. It's not full of ballads, either. This one is a challenge. We made a point of thinking about what we have learned from songwriting over the years to structure stuff a little differently. Believe me, this isn't a case of, 'Oh, that worked last time, so let's just do it again.' We definitely wanted to avoid doing that."
Deftones' eclectic, ever-changing music is one of the reasons they remain so revered, and still attract fresh fans. Since Diamond Eyes, through the tragedy that befell them, they've risen slowly but surely back into the thoughts of the people who may have written them off after their patchy mid-00s dip. Artistically and commercially, they're a band revitalised. And if they get this album right, it could be the one that propels them to even higher altitudes.
"Listen, we're just stoked we can play a place like, say, Brixton Academy!" says Abe, when asked about Deftones' ambitions. "You know, maybe one day we can take the step up to headline those huge festivals. But I'm not bothered; it's just the way things are. We're still pretty high up on those festival bills."
And the Sacramento legends are big enough to return to the UK as an arena-headlining band for the first time in over a decade, too. Not that they're taking it for granted...
"I'm very pleased with the level of success we've had," says Chino. "There are always things to strive for. But I don't think headlining a festival is something that should define you. To me, putting out records for this long and still remaining relevant in some way worldwide is a huge feat in our existence. To me, that longevity will always mean more to us than having that short moment in the spotlight. I like the fact we can do a Wembley show and then come back to England and do a club show. We can basically do whatever we want, and I feel very lucky that we've always had that."
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"I'm just happy to be the drummer in a rock'n' roll band," shrugs Abe. "I know that might sound corny, but it's true. We finally appreciate time, we don't rush ourselves... we're happy!"
He pauses and reflects. "How about that!"
Twenty-seven years. Eight albums. Happiness. Buckle up and hold on tight – this ride is far from over.
Source: https://metalhammer.teamrock.com/features/2015-06-23/deftones-be-quiet-thrive (https://metalhammer.teamrock.com/features/2015-06-23/deftones-be-quiet-thrive)
Nice, I'm really excited for the song with Jerry!
If they want to release the album in September I think it's about time for some kind of announcement. Surely they have an album title and the first single ready by now. The silent treatment is making me insane.
Great article, great read...very happy that they are happy :)
they sound at their best when they're sad though
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Nice, I'm really excited for the song with Jerry!
If they want to release the album in September I think it's about time for some kind of announcement. Surely they have an album title and the first single ready by now. The silent treatment is making me insane.
They really need to up their promotion skills. They must not have any completed songs though if the songwriting is only half done, so I guess it's going to be a bit of a wait.
Well he said the lyrics were only half done. I give it a few more weeks. Can't rush the greatness
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Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Jun 27, 2015, 04:41 PM
Well he said the lyrics were only half done. I give it a few more weeks. Can't rush the greatness
I'm pretty sure that interview was held when they were still recording in LA earlier this year. Plus Chino has already been recording vocals before they went to play shows in May. Would be weird if he already started with the vocals without even finishing the lyrics, wouldn't it? ;)
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Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Jun 27, 2015, 04:41 PM
Well he said the lyrics were only half done. I give it a few more weeks. Can't rush the greatness
I'm pretty sure that interview was held when they were still recording in LA earlier this year. Plus Chino has already been recording vocals before they went to play shows in May. Would be weird if he already started with the vocals without even finishing the lyrics, wouldn't it? ;)
Truuuu
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Great article and great read. The anticipation is building. I think we are going to be blown away by this album!
Quote from: Penicks on Jun 27, 2015, 02:52 PM
they sound at their best when they're sad though
True. Cantrell did say the song he's on is moody, so that's something.