Has anyone seen this documentary called Zeitgeist?
It's a documentary that makes some serious claims about how everything from organised religion, to terrorism attacks and even world banking, are controlled by a 'society' of people, powerfull people at that, who have purpetuated myths, and facts that help keep us as citizens of the world clueless and powerless over the most basic aspects of our lives.
It basically explains how and why organised religion, is mereley a parody of the worshiping of the sun...the sun being Jesus, and the immactulate conception being the rising of the sun...
it then goes into part 2, the WTC attacks, and presents eveidence of structural 'preparing' of the falls, the use of highly flammable and 2000 degree temp metal burning chemical, Thermite, which is used in building demolition...the puzzling reason for building No.7 to fall...and how this was all controlled by government, to give the citezens the perception that the invasion war was entirely justifyed.
and then claims, world banking is all controlled by a group of people, who have plans to eventually implant microchips into human beings.
its conspiracy theory at its best, but i doesnt at all seem unbelievable
If any has seen it...thoughts? opinions? is it all a load of crap, or are we actually being guided by these people, through media and such, into behaving like "They" want us to behave?
its quite interesting stuff
yeah, it's really interesting. it might all be a bunch of bullshit, but what makes it scary is that it might very well be true. and what's even scarier is that we will never know and nothing will be done about it either way.
::)
I watched it last week actually, i likes me some conspiracy theories.
The first part dealing with religion definitely has some truth in it. It's pretty obvious. About the world trade center thing, i don't know what to say. There was definitely something fishy going on, the wtc 7 collapse is hilarious, and quite clearly planned.
I fell asleep during the last part.
for those who haven't seen it, here it is: http://www.stage6.com/LoneWolf/video/1733656/Zeitgeist-The-Spirit-Of-The-Age
seriously, these conspiracy theories videos are junk.
anybody can make a conspiracy about anything. the moron who's been making the "loose change" films, which is a segment in this zeitgeist film, has recently dumped a lot of his theories about the world trade center after they were debunked by experts. he changed his stance on flight 93 from it landing in some remote area and had all the passengers unloaded and executed in some hangar to it now being shot down by a military plane. he quoted a lot of what people said and took it out of context to make it look like a coverup.
basically, he chopped out everything that he was called on and so strongly stood by, but realized it was ridiculous. what a joke.
what is factual about these kind of movies is that people will do sinister things to gain and maintain power, but that's nothing new or secret. other than that, they're mildy entertaining to watch.
wow blondie said something worthwhile.
yeah, i wanted to add something to your very in-depth quote of an eye rolling smiley.
lalz
The main issue i feel strongly about is...that world governments are creating their own circumstance to justify what 'terrible' deeds they might do.
would anyone in the U.S justify going into the whole Irag thing without giving the American people the anger and fury top push their government to take such extreme action? Hell no they wouldnt.
So what happens, well, we all know, but, its the moulding of the publics attitudes that really is a serious thing.
So by "sacrificing" a few thousand lives, it then gives them the green light to go into another country and basically murder the fuck out of the highest percentage of innocent population as possible..but its okay, coz its only 'revenge', or 'payback' to some of the yokel rednecks that are in the U.S., therfore there is no humanitarian issue, an eye for an eye basically.
Conspiracy theory or not, a lot of stuff doesnt add up. Where does the Thermite come from? how did wtc building 7 fall, when it was'nt even touched by a plane OR fire? it apparently was a controlled demolition...buy why? its obvious that No.7 was purposefully brought down in a controlled manner, but by who?, if no plane or fire touched it. no can deny that , which just leads to believ more and more
there lots of evidence that is totally clear...and conflicting with the terrorist story
Quote from: blondie on Dec 13, 2007, 05:41 PM
yeah, i wanted to add something to your very in-depth quote of an eye rolling smiley.
<3
its called the Film Actors Guild, duh.
FAG
What are you talking about man.
This is the only movie that's ever actually scared me and it's all backed up by too much evidence to not be true.
everybody knows the masons control the world, didnt anybody see that episode of the simpsons where homer becomes a "stonecutter"
Quote from: Oldnewtype on Dec 13, 2007, 09:05 PM
This is the only movie that's ever actually scared me and it's all backed up by too much evidence to not be true.
im with you. denial is what they want first of all. blind denial in the face of truth. whores oiling the machine with open asses ready...just ready to be fucked. we're staring at a new world order, i just dont see how people deny common sense, but just like the movie says "we will sacrafice pursuing justice and truth for the comforts of living well." its the ones who are down trodden by the falsities at hand and hurt from actions taken- who actually lash their tongues out... when you are losing what is their not to fight for when you barely can lose anymore. all the material in this film is TRUE. thiis is no joke. it doesnt take an idiot to stumble upon it, it only takes conscious concern and cognitive analysis of what is all around us to see it an arms length away. fuck the government. no one has power rights over another... dont be the fool.
Quote from: wither-I on Jan 10, 2008, 10:16 PM
all the material in this film is TRUE.
looooooooooooolz.
open your eyes. seriously.
did no one read my comment about the masons? srsly, look them up sometime.
Quote from: goldpony on Jan 10, 2008, 11:50 PM
did no one read my comment about the masons? srsly, look them up sometime.
i know all about the grimey fuckers. bush is a mason.
its like a glorified version of that movie "the skulls" (i believe thats the name) except masons came first and they are soooooooo real.
Quote from: Azwethinkweiz on Jan 10, 2008, 10:27 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Jan 10, 2008, 10:16 PM
all the material in this film is TRUE.
looooooooooooolz.
open your eyes. seriously.
show me your argument basis. seriously, i would love to be swayed- im tired of knowing... shit scares me. tell me the real truth.
-"all i've ever known is what i have come to notice"
for all those who still think 9/11 was done by terrorists.. watch "911 in plane site".
and for other subjects look up David Icke's work :)
you honestly think that it wasn't a terroist attack?
Quote from: neurotic on Jan 11, 2008, 08:08 PM
for all those who still think 9/11 was done by terrorists.. watch "911 in plane site".
and for other subjects look up David Icke's work :)
ive seen it and pretty much all his theories have been debunked. still an interesting film tho
Quote from: Azwethinkweiz on Jan 11, 2008, 08:20 PM
you honestly think that it wasn't a terroist attack?
yes.
Quote from: goldpony on Jan 11, 2008, 08:24 PM
ive seen it and pretty much all his theories have been debunked. still an interesting film tho
icke's or "plane site"?
plane site
any link where debunk his theories? i wanna see/read that. maybe it'll change my mind.
the people, who are making these conspiracy theories vids, are nothing more than paranoid loons who have too much free time on their hands.
ALL the conspiracy vids have been examined and proven wrong.
Quote from: goldpony on Jan 11, 2008, 08:24 PM
Quote from: neurotic on Jan 11, 2008, 08:08 PM
for all those who still think 9/11 was done by terrorists.. watch "911 in plane site".
and for other subjects look up David Icke's work :)
ive seen it and pretty much all his theories have been debunked. still an interesting film tho
Quote from: neurotic on Jan 11, 2008, 08:36 PM
any link where debunk his theories? i wanna see/read that. maybe it'll change my mind.
same here. you have to look at who is "debunking" all these citings as well. dont listen to pundits. zeitgeist is FULL of interviews with people who survived sept.11th, many firefighters and police (our outstanding citizens) crediting some very profound occurences of that day ncluding separate explosions and molten steel and even as a few others said, they heard and felt an explosion seconds before the first plane even hit. these people are touring the world giving seminars of their experiences with this because they feel tragically mislead and fooled-therefore devoting their LIVES to dis-CREDITING the former "beliefs" instilled in the public eye of a terrorist attack. theres just so much, and you cannot deny the info its backed up by hundreds if not thousands of key, eyewitnesses! why would all these people lie, and devote their waking days to the cause.
may be.
i'll put it this way. can you prove the existance of person's soul?
you can't. but we still believe it exists. why isn't the existance of one's soul considered a conspiracy theory?
ok, maybe i went too far with this.
i don't know if conspiracy theories are true. maybe they're a load of bullshit, but there's still a chance they're right.
my choice is to explore both the possibilites. and then draw my own conclusion. if nothing, conspiracy theories make me think. not only about conspiracies, but also about spirituality. so even if they're completely wrong, they've still done some good to me.
so after reading through some different stands on 9/11 my conclusion is that american government was involved. why? to draw the attention away from something else. i don't live in america, so i don't know what that something is.
but i know that the simmilar thing is happening right now in croatia. the croatian government will ban smoking in public places. and now there's a huge fuss about it, and nobody talks about how government decided not to (i'm not sure about the expression) write referendum about entering NATO. so the people's attention is drawn away from not being able to choose if we want to enter NATO to not being allowed to smoke in public places. and once it comes to the day we enter NATO everyone will wonder how come there was no referendum, but it'll be too late.
i'm sure i didn't explain it well, sorry, english is not my native language.
Quote from: Azwethinkweiz on Jan 11, 2008, 08:37 PM
the people, who are making these conspiracy theories vids, are nothing more than paranoid loons who have too much free time on their hands.
ALL the conspiracy vids have been examined and proven wrong.
you keep saying this but you have nothing to give. cite yourself or be silent! i thought you of all people would see through the shades set before you. im not picking at you but, how old are you? how far has your education gone? cause i could sit here all damn day and cite instances/priorities/ and living examples of blasphemies and wrongdoings (basically evil things) this government has done and is doing right now. my family here in new orleans was and is STILL is involved heavily in the JFK assasination conspiracies. i have actual blood involvement in the whole deal with my grandpa, my father and many others. my dad's uncle is 80+ years old still devouring new info and proposing new ideas to the whole thing. WHY SUCH DEVOTION??? there is only one answer.... this is no shit. talk about Huey P. Long..!! FDR had him shot in the LA capitol because fear that he would take over the presidency. remember FDR had no limit to his reign. the only reason another president took over is cause he croaked! talk about capitalism=communism=tyranny=slavery=genocide....and the list goes on!
the CIA would put the people, behind the videos, away if they had any truth to them. that's for sure.
and i'm way too drunk to be searching for vids that debunk the theories. i'll get to it tomorrow.
do it. i'm always open for new ideas...
opinions are created so you can change them. :)
Quote from: wither-I on Jan 11, 2008, 08:47 PM
zeitgeist is FULL of interviews with people who survived sept.11th, many firefighters and police
wrong. zeitgeist's chapter about 9/11 is a bunch of compiled news clips from they day of the event to make it look like they all heard some pre-explosion(s) or secondary explosions.
i will say this about all the "conspiracies" about 9/11; a lot of them have factual information that is being ignored by experts, such as the molten steel found weeks later or the fact that all of the debris from the world trade center was removed before it could be examined by experts. that shows inconsistency when you consider videotapes that shot a plane flying into the pentagon were confiscated because they were "evidence", yet removing and scrapping crucial evidence from gound zero was ok.
i am up in the air about a lot of things during 9/11 since both sides makes good arguments to an extent and i'll probably never be convinced either way, but the one thing i'm positive about is a lot of people died.
Quote from: blondie on Jan 11, 2008, 09:07 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Jan 11, 2008, 08:47 PM
zeitgeist is FULL of interviews with people who survived sept.11th, many firefighters and police
wrong. zeitgeist's chapter about 9/11 is a bunch of compiled news clips from they day of the event to make it look like they all heard some pre-explosion(s) or secondary explosions.
i will say this about all the "conspiracies" about 9/11; a lot of them have factual information that is being ignored by experts, such as the molten steel found weeks later or the fact that all of the debris from the world trade center was removed before it could be examined by experts. that shows inconsistency when you consider videotapes that shot a plane flying into the pentagon were confiscated because they were "evidence", yet removing and scrapping crucial evidence from gound zero was ok.
i am up in the air about a lot of things during 9/11 since both sides makes good arguments to an extent and i'll probably never be convinced either way, but the one thing i'm positive about is a lot of people died.
+1
heres a pretty good article debunking in plane site
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/baker1.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/baker1.html)
it pretty much sums up everything wrong with the film. i have my doubts about 9-11 too, but i find it really hard to believe that a massive conspiracy is behind it all. too many people involved to be believeable
Quote from: blondie on Jan 11, 2008, 09:07 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Jan 11, 2008, 08:47 PM
zeitgeist is FULL of interviews with people who survived sept.11th, many firefighters and police
wrong. zeitgeist's chapter about 9/11 is a bunch of compiled news clips from they day of the event to make it look like they all heard some pre-explosion(s) or secondary explosions.
i will say this about all the "conspiracies" about 9/11; a lot of them have factual information that is being ignored by experts, such as the molten steel found weeks later or the fact that all of the debris from the world trade center was removed before it could be examined by experts. that shows inconsistency when you consider videotapes that shot a plane flying into the pentagon were confiscated because they were "evidence", yet removing and scrapping crucial evidence from gound zero was ok.
i am up in the air about a lot of things during 9/11 since both sides makes good arguments to an extent and i'll probably never be convinced either way, but the one thing i'm positive about is a lot of people died.
+1
Quote from: Azwethinkweiz on Jan 11, 2008, 09:01 PM
the CIA would put the people, behind the videos, away if they had any truth to them. that's for sure
i dont think its their concern. even though the insight is strong the people who make these videos are the same people they shun daily- being nothing more than a blemish on on the surface of some far off dead planet... however if people talked about this more than on internet forums then maybe... the media controls this. we will see. oh and fuck the CIA and ANY form of government. all government is just putting people in power of other people (human lives) as some neatly configured divine right or passage which is blasphemy in itself when you think about "natural rights"
I have not seen this movie. BUt all I know is that if this society is real. I will find it, and join it, and fuck you all.
Quote from: goldpony on Jan 11, 2008, 10:48 PM
heres a pretty good article debunking in plane site
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/baker1.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/baker1.html)
it pretty much sums up everything wrong with the film. i have my doubts about 9-11 too, but i find it really hard to believe that a massive conspiracy is behind it all. too many people involved to be believeable
i've read it today. he has some good points.
but the fact is we'll probably never know what the truth is. unfortunately.
All I know is George Bush and Osama Bin Laden made the 9/11 attacks together.
If i was in Al Queda, i would kill all those Jews in those towers lol. and that's why!
It's simple, they hate the U.S and the free people. They will do commit themselves to kill just to bring it down.
speaking of down, the literacy rate
Quote from: endoeleven on Jan 17, 2008, 01:07 AM
They will do commit themselves to kill just to bring it down.
wow
i find most conspiracy theorists out there are like that
some comments people posted about zeitgeist on another forum;
My name is Mike Quinn. I was born in 1949. I did four years in the navy as a Jet Mechanic. "The Summer of `72----- No One Said It Would Be Easy". My last year in the Navy was on the "Shitty Kitty" also know as the USS Kitty Hawk CVA 63.
I am a Conspiracy Theorist and now I know why. This video is the most comprehensible summary of the history of America. Today is a good day to die. As our forefathers died trying to give us what we still have today, we have got to take back that which we have lost. The Truth will empower us to act. My crusade will be to make hundreds of this video and stand on street corners to give to any and all who have the sense to watch it.
Please check out Conscious Media Network. Com. for more related video.
My email address is MIKEATSHOP@YAHOO.COM. I would love to hear from you to get this rolling with momentum.
Life is a continuum, we are all apart of one another and our love for mankind must endure.
Sincerely,
Mike
It breaks my heart to think of all the innocent people who have been murdered in the name of money and power. You would think we left that behind in the caves long ago. How many honourable people have died for this?
There is no need to fight over "the last cookie".....we can do without it very nicely and all those making money out of this farce called war don't care. When you die you can't turn it all into traveller's checks to take it with you. Each of us has to ask what is our legacy we leave behind when it's our turn to die. Those who get rich from other people's blood are the worst vermin on the face of the earth. My legacy will be that I loved everyone because they were my brother or sister....and I tried to help anyone I could. This doesn't mean I haven't done some stupid things in my time. But my motive has always been to dive in where needed and do my best to improve a situation. I know there are millions of people in this world just like me. We are the givers. The takers fool us, take advantage of us, make us think that black is white and direct our lives to suit them, and if we are in the way we get murdered.
Just like a child grows to the point where he/she decides to stand on their own and leave their parent's home and seek the truth for one's self....so must each of us try very hard to do research (stop watching the crap on tv and educate yourselves to what is going on in this life, and how to fix it...) so that we can stand on our own 2 feet, realize our incredible power on so many levels....purify ourselves as much as possible, tip the scales so that we are responsible and loving human beings the way we are supposed to be... and don't believe the doctrines, the propaganda, that is meant to keep us asleep. Because one night when you are snuggled into your warm bed (or sleeping on the street) someone will come and turn you into fertilizer.....and every law in the land and every leader be they religious, political or whatever....will fight the naysayers and silence them if necessary. Now we know we can't go back to sleep. We are now extremely responsible for how this all goes. From here on, let there be no excuses, no passing of the buck, no cowardice.....let there be honour and integrity that is tangible. We can look to no one for direction or guidance...except our conscience. Every day we can do even just one thing which propels us into a future we really want. Don't give up and do NOT let fear enter your precious heart. That is the seed of the manipulation. Shine your love like the sun and never stop. Realize your Godhead and unite with the TRUE powers that be. We cannot afford one more innocent human being to be insulted, manipulated, tortured, imprisoned or murdered..
Quote from: goldpony on Jan 17, 2008, 08:00 PM
i find most conspiracy theorists out there are like that
So, so true
Quote from: Variable on Jan 12, 2008, 04:56 AM
I have not seen this movie. BUt all I know is that if this society is real. I will find it, and join it, and fuck you all.
PM me ur email and i'll send u an invite k?
Quote from: wither-I on Jan 23, 2008, 05:41 AM
some comments people posted about zeitgeist on another forum;
My name is Mike Quinn. I was born in 1949. I did four years in the navy as a Jet Mechanic. "The Summer of `72----- No One Said It Would Be Easy". My last year in the Navy was on the "Shitty Kitty" also know as the USS Kitty Hawk CVA 63.
I am a Conspiracy Theorist and now I know why. This video is the most comprehensible summary of the history of America. Today is a good day to die. As our forefathers died trying to give us what we still have today, we have got to take back that which we have lost. The Truth will empower us to act. My crusade will be to make hundreds of this video and stand on street corners to give to any and all who have the sense to watch it.
Please check out Conscious Media Network. Com. for more related video.
My email address is MIKEATSHOP@YAHOO.COM. I would love to hear from you to get this rolling with momentum.
Life is a continuum, we are all apart of one another and our love for mankind must endure.
Sincerely,
Mike
It breaks my heart to think of all the innocent people who have been murdered in the name of money and power. You would think we left that behind in the caves long ago. How many honourable people have died for this?
There is no need to fight over "the last cookie".....we can do without it very nicely and all those making money out of this farce called war don't care. When you die you can't turn it all into traveller's checks to take it with you. Each of us has to ask what is our legacy we leave behind when it's our turn to die. Those who get rich from other people's blood are the worst vermin on the face of the earth. My legacy will be that I loved everyone because they were my brother or sister....and I tried to help anyone I could. This doesn't mean I haven't done some stupid things in my time. But my motive has always been to dive in where needed and do my best to improve a situation. I know there are millions of people in this world just like me. We are the givers. The takers fool us, take advantage of us, make us think that black is white and direct our lives to suit them, and if we are in the way we get murdered.
Just like a child grows to the point where he/she decides to stand on their own and leave their parent's home and seek the truth for one's self....so must each of us try very hard to do research (stop watching the crap on tv and educate yourselves to what is going on in this life, and how to fix it...) so that we can stand on our own 2 feet, realize our incredible power on so many levels....purify ourselves as much as possible, tip the scales so that we are responsible and loving human beings the way we are supposed to be... and don't believe the doctrines, the propaganda, that is meant to keep us asleep. Because one night when you are snuggled into your warm bed (or sleeping on the street) someone will come and turn you into fertilizer.....and every law in the land and every leader be they religious, political or whatever....will fight the naysayers and silence them if necessary. Now we know we can't go back to sleep. We are now extremely responsible for how this all goes. From here on, let there be no excuses, no passing of the buck, no cowardice.....let there be honour and integrity that is tangible. We can look to no one for direction or guidance...except our conscience. Every day we can do even just one thing which propels us into a future we really want. Don't give up and do NOT let fear enter your precious heart. That is the seed of the manipulation. Shine your love like the sun and never stop. Realize your Godhead and unite with the TRUE powers that be. We cannot afford one more innocent human being to be insulted, manipulated, tortured, imprisoned or murdered..
jesus christ. Someone took that movie a bit too seriously. After reading that speech of yours, the only conclusion that I came to was that I would be more than happy to kill you for 10 dollars.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Feb 20, 2008, 06:02 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jan 12, 2008, 04:56 AM
I have not seen this movie. BUt all I know is that if this society is real. I will find it, and join it, and fuck you all.
PM me ur email and i'll send u an invite k?
werd up , sent
wake up
I believe that you're supposed to say "bump" not "wake up"
The thing is, life is filled with lying bastards, people always try to rip you off, from the dude in the cornershop to buying from the supermarket. Thus its pretty likely someone higher up is trying to do the same, and there are damn nasty ways of doing it.
Quote from: aenemic on Dec 13, 2007, 10:37 AM
yeah, it's really interesting. it might all be a bunch of bullshit, but what makes it scary is that it might very well be true. and what's even scarier is that we will never know and nothing will be done about it either way.
i think this was the best comment so far
Quote from: Alvar on Nov 05, 2008, 10:45 PM
Quote from: aenemic on Dec 13, 2007, 10:37 AM
yeah, it's really interesting. it might all be a bunch of bullshit, but what makes it scary is that it might very well be true. and what's even scarier is that we will never know and nothing will be done about it either way.
i think this was the best comment so far
yeah thats so true. its easy to question things these days, we even have to question the documentaries that question things..
i choose to believe information exists and if its their in the public domain, i can choose for myself...but, it makes too much sense if you think about it all. its like the veil is removed and you realise how weird the education system was and probably still is. they could teach kids a lot more realistic lessons than the stuff i was taught all through school at least.
Yeah, after a bit of research on issues like this. I see everything totally different. But the world makes a lot more sense because of it.
But I disagree that nothing will be done about it. Nothing will be done only if we have an attitude like that. I am determined to help make a difference somehow.