Randomly read this magazine [August 08 issue] and decided to read this list of theirs. Even though nu-metal is dead, I can definately still see which albums during this time made some kind of impact. I kind of agree with the albums chosen. I own[ed] most of the ones listed in this list, but I was pleasently surprised to see Deftones get the #6 spot [ Around the Fur ] and #1 [ White Pony ]. Although, they had some pretty interesting things to say about them.
Around the Fur got this comment; "Any Deftones album is worth having- they haven't released a dud since Adrenaline. But this follow-up represented a giant leap forward from its predecessor. It honed the punk influences that had marked the band since the beginning and gave some hints of the quiet dynamic shifts to come on 2000's White Pony, especially in Chino Moreno's vocals on songs like album opener 'My own Summer (Shove It)" and the intense 'Headup.' Due to their mutual history, Deftones will likely always be associated with Korn, but even this early on, they'd far surpassed their mentors/patrons in skill and ambition"-L.P.
and for White Pony, it said; "With a pair of gold albums- 1995's Adrenaline and 1997's Around the Fur- and a boatload of positive press to their name, Deftones had the lout to do pretty much whatever they wanted with album number three. And they did, leaving the safety of their Helmet-meets-hip-hop formula to embrace soaring song structures, lush dream-pop melodies, and a DJ who played atmospheres instead of beats. White Pony was still heavy and funky enough qualify as nu-metal and keep the fans happy, but considering that it arrived as the genre was nearing creative stasis, 'new metal' seemed a better tag."-A.B.
Some pretty good comments. Good job DEFTONES!
great!
that's cool
i'd like to see the whole list
here:
http://www.metalmartyr.com/metal-edges-25-essential-nu-metal-albums/
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jul 18, 2008, 04:43 AM
It honed the punk influences that had marked the band since the beginning and gave some hints of the quiet dynamic shifts to come on 2009's White Pony,
I always thought Eros was not going to be the final titel, but naming it White Pony again seems a major lack of creativity ;)
heh
Actually, i haven't heard 20 of those 25 records
nu-metal... *sigh*
Quote from: kalhan on Jul 18, 2008, 06:24 AM
here:
http://www.metalmartyr.com/metal-edges-25-essential-nu-metal-albums/
Haha the guy from this site who wrote comments on that list is kind of a twat.
Quote from: Swords on Jul 18, 2008, 07:08 AM
nu-metal... *sigh*
Let me guess...you like Sun 0)) and like "post rock." Nu metal happened and its gone, we just have to deal with the memories and make fun of them. Although, there were some good albums that came out of that era [Taproot's first album and like...uhhh lemme get back at you]
I don't like that.
Nu-metal sucks. Yeah and deftones is my favourite band (and that's so ironic), and yes they're one of the grandfathers of new metal, but anyways, I really don't like it when people says deftones is nu-metal... to me, they used to play nu-m, but nowadays thats gone (thanks to jesus). Nu-m reminds me of Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park and all those shitty bands and its so annoying putting deftones besides them, that's just so unfair.
AND CHINO IS NOT RAPPING ANYMORE WOOHOOO
nu-metal? wtf?
Quote from: lnkjuice on Jul 18, 2008, 11:11 AM
Quote from: kalhan on Jul 18, 2008, 06:24 AM
here:
http://www.metalmartyr.com/metal-edges-25-essential-nu-metal-albums/
Haha the guy from this site who wrote comments on that list is kind of a twat.
so are the people who comment on sharinglungs, lol just joking iloveyouguys
The list was actually not that good of a top twenty five. They shouldn't have repeated bands since there were plenty good ones out there at the time and the album choices were shitty. Good for the Deftones but not a good list.
at list they didn't put korn at #1 like some of the other lists
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jul 18, 2008, 01:49 PM
Quote from: Swords on Jul 18, 2008, 07:08 AM
nu-metal... *sigh*
Let me guess...you like Sun 0)) and like "post rock." Nu metal happened and its gone, we just have to deal with the memories and make fun of them. Although, there were some good albums that came out of that era [Taproot's first album and like...uhhh lemme get back at you]
na, not really a fan of sun O))) at all but then again, i haven't listened to much of their stuff at all. i will say that i like stuff based on the way it sounds and not based on a certain label or genre. that'd just be ignorant. although, i can probably find something i like from whatever genre anyone wants to call anything... i just personally think deftones are above and beyond 1 simple label like nu-metal. it pretty much sells them short. if around the fur is nu-metal than fine, but it's the best fucking nu-metal album i've ever heard and also probably my all time fav. album.
'white pony' being on that list is ridiculous... if anything, that's where deftones left nu-metal all 2gether. 'adrenaline' and 'around the fur' nu-metal? sure, there are some similarities to nu-metal but again they sound much more than just nu-metal to me. 'white pony' nu-metal? no... just no.
i also used to like the 1st taproot album but now i pretty much can't listen to it... basically, fuck labels and fuck my opinions when forming your own too. music is there to listen. that's it. lists like this are just silly.
I'm not sure if this "honor" is a good thing or not. Most people do not regard nu-metal favorably. So to say the Deftones are the number one nu-metal band could be interpreted as either a.) the Deftones are the worst of nu-metal, or b.) the Deftones are the one worthy band that came from nu-metal. But in truth, the Deftones were not spawned from nu-metal. Rather, they spawned the movement with Adrenaline and ATF and swiftly exited with WP (there is nothing "nu-metal" about WP).
Obviously all of us would side with (b), but it still sucks that the Deftones are being tagged as a nu-metal band ten years after. And to be honest, I'm not really sure why that tag has stuck. Sure the Tones toured with Korn back in the day, but their music arrangements are extremely different, not to mention vocal and writing styles.
It seems that classifying the Deftones as "nu-metal" is the critics' way of easily dealing with the Deftones, rather than really evaluating their music, influence, and significance. Very few new bands these days rattle off Korn as an influence, but many bands drop the name "Deftones." There's a reason why, and it's called credibility. Korn lost all credibility almost a decade ago. The Deftones, meanwhile, have retained theirs. Hopefully some day the masses and critics will realize all of this.
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Quote from: buddyboy101 on Jul 18, 2008, 08:26 PM
I'm not sure if this "honor" is a good thing or not. Most people do not regard nu-metal favorably. So to say the Deftones are the number one nu-metal band could be interpreted as either a.) the Deftones are the worst of nu-metal, or b.) the Deftones are the one worthy band that came from nu-metal. But in truth, the Deftones were not spawned from nu-metal. Rather, they spawned the movement with Adrenaline and ATF and swiftly exited with WP (there is nothing "nu-metal" about WP).
Obviously all of us would side with (b), but it still sucks that the Deftones are being tagged as a nu-metal band ten years after. And to be honest, I'm not really sure why that tag has stuck. Sure the Tones toured with Korn back in the day, but their music arrangements are extremely different, not to mention vocal and writing styles.
It seems that classifying the Deftones as "nu-metal" is the critics' way of easily dealing with the Deftones, rather than really evaluating their music, influence, and significance. Very few new bands these days rattle off Korn as an influence, but many bands drop the name "Deftones." There's a reason why, and it's called credibility. Korn lost all credibility almost a decade ago. The Deftones, meanwhile, have retained theirs. Hopefully some day the masses and critics will realize all of this.
Did you not read their comments? They said they were better than Korn when Around the Fur was released. then they say that White Pony was something else, something different from most of these bands that kept repeating the same formulas. I don't know, I don't care about the nu-metal tag anymore because I know that Deftones arne't but they will ALWAYS be lumped into that category because thats the kind of metal that ruled the charts and every teenagers stereos.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jul 18, 2008, 09:50 PM
Did you not read their comments? They said they were better than Korn when Around the Fur was released. then they say that White Pony was something else, something different from most of these bands that kept repeating the same formulas. I don't know, I don't care about the nu-metal tag anymore because I know that Deftones aren't but they will ALWAYS be lumped into that category because thats the kind of metal that ruled the charts and every teenagers stereos.
Yea I read those comments...but I was addressing the critics at large. And your logic about "that's the kind of metal that ruled the charts..." is flawed b/c many nu-metal bands of that time have escaped the nu-metal tag, including Incubus, System of a Down, Rob Zombie, Slipknot, Papa Roach, even LINKIN PARK!!!!
For some reason the critics treat the Deftones as irrelevant after White Pony, as if everything stopped, at that point, for the Deftones. They really don't get the respect they deserve, probably because they opted to continue on their own path, rather than trade-in for MTV/radio splendor and waste. Gotta remember why the Deftones started - b/c of music, not money, and this philosophy has persisted over the years.
Truth.
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Quote from: tarkil on Jul 18, 2008, 09:37 AM
Quote from: Swords on Jul 18, 2008, 07:08 AM
nu-metal... *sigh*
They are never going to get rid of this label are they?
If they did something to that style, they've stopped doing that after Adrenaline.
Great to see deftones up there..suprised to see snot, they're not nu metal at all! Of course, no one can ignore the self-titled korn record!
deftones > nu-metal
Wow, Pulse Ultra made it to the list??? The bassist of Pulse Ultra is now in Scars On Broadway. Anyway, L.D. 50 is a great album but Static-X? Rammstein? Mushroomhead?
American Head Charge
Five Pointe 0
Cold's first album
Dry Kill Logic
ill Nino
Crossbreed
Primer 55
Taproot - Gift (yes what a great record this is, even today)
And maybe even Machine Head - Burning Red???
Korn - Follow The Leader should definitely be there
Fuck it.
Quote from: Starz on Jul 19, 2008, 11:58 PM
Wow, Pulse Ultra made it to the list??? The bassist of Pulse Ultra is now in Scars On Broadway. Anyway, L.D. 50 is a great album but Static-X? Rammstein? Mushroomhead?
American Head Charge
Five Pointe 0
Cold's first album
Dry Kill Logic
ill Nino
Crossbreed
Primer 55
Taproot - Gift (yes what a great record this is, even today)
And maybe even Machine Head - Burning Red???
Korn - Follow The Leader should definitely be there
Fuck it.
FUCK all of these
Who would be in your Essential nu-metal list then?
even before I looked here I knew what it is going to be.
White Pony nu-metal? ;D
deftones: fathers of nu metal, lawl
static-x is not, the great majority of magazines have stupid journalist's that know a few bands and feel themselves like "the masters"
Quote from: Starz on Jul 20, 2008, 05:54 PM
Who would be in your Essential nu-metal list then?
think the same you posted above except for american head charge i dont think they would be in, there are some bands that never had listed cuz of the charts but they ruled in underground lawl
Quote from: Starz on Jul 19, 2008, 11:58 PM
Wow, Pulse Ultra made it to the list??? The bassist of Pulse Ultra is now in Scars On Broadway. Anyway, L.D. 50 is a great album but Static-X? Rammstein? Mushroomhead?
American Head Charge
Five Pointe 0
Cold's first album
Dry Kill Logic
ill Nino
Crossbreed
Primer 55
Taproot - Gift (yes what a great record this is, even today)
And maybe even Machine Head - Burning Red???
Korn - Follow The Leader should definitely be there
Fuck it.
A much better list
The list has Chamber Music and Powerman 5000.
Urrgghh.
coal chamber's s/t album is great and powerman's 5k tonight the stars revolt is not bad imo
lol @ taproot. Some peoples kids, seriously.
Quote from: Variable on Aug 29, 2008, 05:18 AM
lol @ taproot. Some peoples kids, seriously.
Taproot - Gift :)
Quote from: Starz on Aug 29, 2008, 04:59 PM
Quote from: Variable on Aug 29, 2008, 05:18 AM
lol @ taproot. Some peoples kids, seriously.
Taproot - Gift :)
their demo EP's are limp bizkit-ish
I still listen to Taproot on a regular basis. All of it is pretty good imo.
so do i, i like more their stuff after Welcome
Taproot supported Deftones at London Arena with Linkin Park. Both a waste of valuable support time.
yeah we can throw kid rock right in there next to taproot