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:)
there aint no more sugar
you were like what 7 8 when this took place?
Quote from: lithium on May 07, 2009, 04:01 AM
you were like what 7 8 when this took place?
yeah that's about right. but the difference is when i was 7/8 i knew about the deftones...didn't quite understand it until i started dating, but the music has always been appealing to me. My father bought around the fur ironically in 1997. After listening to that cd so many times I remember begging him to buy me White Pony, and Self Titled...By the time SNW came out I could buy cd's myself.
i'm obsessed with the 90's...my years i guess you could say.
You move me like music with your style
oh someday someone..........
something new and never heard......
...
...
will be posted
what's with Deftones fans and this fucking elitism. seriously, get over yourselves.
Chino has lost a lot of command over his voice in the recent years. :(
Quote from: rock_n_frost on May 07, 2009, 10:14 AM
oh someday someone..........
something new and never heard......
...
...
will be posted
not with these noobs buddy
crazy lil noobs
there's nothing new to be posted in this forum, so get over it. Everyone's heard everything.
I have no fucking elitism, i was simply saying I've been a fan since I was pretty young, since lithium made a comment about me being 7 or 8 when this show took place. If anyone has elitism, it's the people who feel high and mighty because they've been coming to a message board for longer than I have. Get your dicks out of your mouths and move on.
and if you were screaming for 21 years, you'd lose command of your voice eventually.
Hey Sugarpops.
Welcome to the internet.
Hey, thanks! It's great to be here!
Quote from: No More Sugar on May 07, 2009, 03:25 PM
I have no fucking elitism, i was simply saying I've been a fan since I was pretty young, since lithium made a comment about me being 7 or 8 when this show took place. If anyone has elitism, it's the people who feel high and mighty because they've been coming to a message board for longer than I have. Get your dicks out of your mouths and move on.
dude, I was defending you.
I wasn't talking about you :/
Quote from: aenemic on May 07, 2009, 11:54 AM
what's with Deftones fans and this fucking elitism. seriously, get over yourselves.
+1
Quote from: No More Sugar on May 07, 2009, 03:25 PM
there's nothing new to be posted in this forum, so get over it. Everyone's heard everything.
I have no fucking elitism, i was simply saying I've been a fan since I was pretty young, since lithium made a comment about me being 7 or 8 when this show took place. If anyone has elitism, it's the people who feel high and mighty because they've been coming to a message board for longer than I have. Get your dicks out of your mouths and move on.
and if you were screaming for 21 years, you'd lose command of your voice eventually.
+1
Quote from: lithium on May 07, 2009, 04:01 AM
you were like what 7 8 when this took place?
-1 fuck elite god moderators, it pisses me off >:(
anyway, welcome new forum member (NOT NECESSARILY NEW DEFTONES FAN)
don't even get me wrong, i like lithium, and if it seemed like i was bashing on him for pointing out how young i am, my bad cause that's not what i was getting at. very intelligent guy.
i honestly think this is the best one, aside from all the normal drunken slurring, he kinda killed it...and there aint no more sugar...doesn't get much better.
they assumed the site ;D
Chino sings exceptionally well.
Quote from: bangbang240 on May 08, 2009, 12:27 AM
Chino sings exceptionally well.
and all the deftones bring it
lolz
we're all friends here
i'm glad sugar found deftones. i was just saying, when that particular festival took place, he was like 7, how am i being elite by pointing that out?
and how does me being a moderator even come in to play?!
- DISCLAIMER - MY OWN OPINION - DO NOT READ -
ok, i barely post, (sw00p on me for this if you see fit) i wanted to say something to 'No More Sugar' who seems pretty cool, but also to everyone else who reads. ( not many capital letters eiher, it's kind of like im whispering )
in my eyes...
elitism is a product of the system not the people. (ie. posts made....star ratings....and also plain old memory 'i remember that person from ages ago')
any forum has the same phenom.
most people come in here for info on the band.
for some it gets so infectious that they check everyday, that frustration would accommodate some interesting shit right?
say there's 10 people discussing something in a circle for 10 years then one dude comes up and asks something that everyone knows and is taboo.....
/enter irony.
irony that comes with being jaded like a sick marriage..
but remember, we all have a common interest..... it's just the nature of the machine.
and to be honest i love when someone asks a 'n00b' question... and some guy that's endured that same question a million times (sometimes has thousands or 10's of thousands of posts) answers them humbly through barrage of crap. deep down that person can put themselves in their own past....they are the real kings.
ive been around since way back when...way before this site....way before the one before....only 160 posts.... does that matter?
I'm guessing there's a lot of people that seek new info on here from time to time that would kinda be like 'over the theatrics' that know more than you, I and the other combined (history wise) and have crazy stories to boot.
(this is a rationalization/generalization)
but think about it, the people who 'know the most','are closest too' etc wouldn't be on this site in general. the further away you get....the more likely you're on here for info etc (trying not to bring up the extra social context). the people that are fighting for status just look like idiots. and i really dislike when people get slammed for asking a dumb question. i mean i know the answer, but i also appreciate they don't...
....yet
:)
peace to everyone on the board
even the ones that bag the fk out of me after I hit enter :D
(true, he did sing exceptionally well)
edit: grr notepad and paste, what's up with that!
i just want the noobs wouldnt start a topic as a new thing which discussed years before...
''does it matter ?''
(http://www.hornungs.com/images/yes_logo.gif)
"i just want the noobs wouldnt start a topic as a new thing which discussed years before..."
your sig says 'YES'
so i agree : ) with a twist of wtf : ) but i think i know what you mean...
i think it's a double edged sword. new and old ... a duality that must exist : )
edit: had to remove the smilies, the moving ones are kind of tripped.
Quote from: lungdamage on May 08, 2009, 06:57 AM
i think it's a double edged sword. new and old ... a duality that must exist : )
My thoughts exactly.
:)
Something i'd like to throw in:
Idk if it seems like i'm fighting for attention/status on this board, i don't really know what other people think of me and not that i care that much....but i'm not. i try to get along with everyone pretty much. I'm actually growing accustom to coming to message boards again.
i see alot of what you were talking about every day i'm here more, and i like coming here. I come from a city where there are literally 2 actual deftones fans that i know in real life, and i don't bother going to meet new people...i have way too many drug induced theories about the world which i hope to share sometime, but i'm not one to be in public, i like to be with people i know and am comfortable with, and i get annoyed really easily when i'm with people i don't know. this message board offers a certain level of comfort when you know you're around people who feel the same passionate way about something so delicate as music.
about the 'noobs'(i suppose i am one myself compared to the rest of you in terms of being here and knowing people etc) i just ignore them for the most part, until i feel comfortable saying something(if it honestly needs to be said...) or just answer the question for them....i mean you can only get so god damn stupid before i just have to say '....you're fucking stupid" and i know ALL of you feel the same way.
Quote from: No More Sugar on May 07, 2009, 03:25 PM
and if you were screaming for 21 years, you'd lose command of your voice eventually.
Uhhhh...
Not necessarily, no.
Quote from: anothermarine on May 08, 2009, 12:21 PM
Quote from: No More Sugar on May 07, 2009, 03:25 PM
and if you were screaming for 21 years, you'd lose command of your voice eventually.
Uhhhh...
Not necessarily, no.
Don't talk to me about screaming seriously...it's all that I do. Unless you're gonna prove to me you're not a complete idiot and explain yourself.
wow... no more sugar is getting some ballz
i like him/her :)
s/he is like a new breath for the board...
like sleepygirl
Quote from: rock_n_frost on May 08, 2009, 02:00 PM
i like him/her :)
s/he is like a new breath for the board...
yeah like a fresh breath of exhaust fumes
Quote from: lungdamage on May 08, 2009, 06:57 AM
"i just want the noobs wouldnt start a topic as a new thing which discussed years before..."
i think it's a double edged sword. new and old ... a duality that must exist : )
well about the new... you dont have to be a retard just because u are a noob.
i like tool, have all the albums but not all the demos.if i got hold of demo song that was old, i would NOT
go to a tool board as a noob and post a you tube clip to it and tell everybody how amazingit is.
chances are that they would already know about it. thats the thing, just because it new to you, pleeease dont think it news to everyone else ,especially when it got several years on its neck
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 08, 2009, 02:15 PM
Quote from: lungdamage on May 08, 2009, 06:57 AM
"i just want the noobs wouldnt start a topic as a new thing which discussed years before..."
i think it's a double edged sword. new and old ... a duality that must exist : )
well about the new... you dont have to be a retard just because u are a noob.
i like tool, have all the albums but not all the demos.if i got hold of demo song that was old, i would NOT
go to a tool board as a noob and post a you tube clip to it and tell everybody how amazingit is.
chances are that they would already know about it. thats the thing, just because it new to you, pleeease dont think it news to everyone else ,especially when it got several years on its neck
(http://double.ucoz.com/vako3/winrar-400-400.jpg)
!!
schooled
Quote from: Vesanic on May 08, 2009, 04:15 PM...
no... good or bad... that would be cool. i cant sing myself so i cant bash it too hard >:(
i can sing, but i sound shitty, anyone wanna hear? yo Vesanic, I wanna hear u sing dude, bring it wtf?
ok, do it, post that shit, don't be afraid of criticism dude :)
Quote from: lithium on May 07, 2009, 04:01 AM
you were like what 7 8 when this took place?
i was 4
Quote from: Vesanic on May 08, 2009, 04:59 PM...
Every time I sing this song, I always belt out the actual note when he says "I'm afraid I might lose her" instead of using the soft delicate chino type voice that we both have(and i use quite frequently now) You have a good voice btw, the only thing i could try and give you CC on is your delicateness. The endings of your words were a little static-y and choppy, and it's easier if you take deep breaths in between to sing like that(who am i kidding, explaining to you singing...) if you really even want to progress in vocals you have to find your voice rather than chino's voice. i always add in my own little terms and phrases and "HEYS" when i'm practicing(and yes i do practice vocals by singing all the music i like and being able to get the pitches and harmonies. my voice even is starting to flutter sometimes.) but in all honesty you're not bad :)
I wish I could just find some way to let you guys in on what I'm thinking, because it's way deeper than you think when it comes to my music. Believe me if I could just spill it all out on a track for you, that would be great but i don't have that kind of money haha and honestly i hate talking about music i haven't made yet because it makes me look like a douchebag but the only reason i do is because i believe that anyone who likes The Deftones will most definately like my band. It's that kind of music, whatever you want to classify the deftones as, it's that style, but it's no ripoff. It definately has other...parts to it besides Deftones.
how can you write...a lot...?
i've always played my own stuff by memory, and tuned by my ear since i picked up a guitar lol
in notebooks..a lot of them.
and lyrics
technically i don't have a band, it's an ongoing...idea that a friend and i have been cooking up i guess....for a long while.
idk how to explain this without sounding gay honestly, we both are singer-songwriter-instrumentalists...
Quote from: Vesanic on May 08, 2009, 04:59 PM...
gonna have to check this shit out at home, stupid work block wont let me view YT
Quote from: Vesanic on May 08, 2009, 09:56 PM...
oh i see, well the sound is one of my favorite things
Quote from: rock_n_frost on May 08, 2009, 08:29 PM
how can you write...a lot...?
yeah I'm actually not reading it lawl
Quote from: Vesanic on May 08, 2009, 10:16 PM...
Yeah, it sounds like you could definitely sing in a band if you really wanted to.
lol i never answered that question the way it was supposed to be...but idk.
V- yeah u gave it a good shot. who knows,if i was drunk at a party 5 in the morning and u played it i maybe would dig it for real. it would be fun to see a video of your face making the inhale scream at the end :)
is it the oh face?
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 09, 2009, 09:34 AM
V- yeah u gave it a good shot. who knows,if i was drunk at a party 5 in the morning and u played it i maybe would dig it for real. it would be fun to see a video of your face making the inhale scream at the end :)
is it the oh face?
actually i can answer that. it's probably a mouth wide open with teeth. i always cover my face with my fists when doing inhales
c'mon man it wasnt that much of a bashing. you can sing 10 times better than i. got anymore?
you guys are gay haha
truuuuuuue that :D
if i was gay i'd join your little cult :)
yr not gay`? but i took it u liked linkin park? ??? confusing what is real
ohhh so liking linkin park makes you gay i get it
awww you want me to be gayyyy :D
i think u already are ;D :-*
on the inside :p
Quote from: Vesanic on May 09, 2009, 09:42 AM...
yeah i have a lot of problems with it myself
Quote from: No More Sugar on May 09, 2009, 09:54 AM
ohhh so liking linkin park makes you gay i get it
YES !..............
i really wonder how old you are...seriously
Quote from: rock_n_frost on May 09, 2009, 12:01 PM
Quote from: No More Sugar on May 09, 2009, 09:54 AM
ohhh so liking linkin park makes you gay i get it
YES !..............
i really wonder how old you are...seriously
17, 18 in August.
I didn't know that...
back to the topic... ;)
EPIC BIZARRE Hell yeah :D
and very emotive what happens in Lotion jaja... ;D
Chino "WHAT THE FUCK!!!!"
"I FEEL SICK, RIGH HERE!!!!"
awesome...
Quote from: Vesanic on May 12, 2009, 04:24 PM...
i think it wasnt that concert..this 98' you are talking about 2000 i guess
Quote from: defTHE1s on May 12, 2009, 04:03 PM
back to the topic... ;)
EPIC BIZARRE Hell yeah :D
and very emotive what happens in Lotion jaja... ;D
Chino "WHAT THE FUCK!!!!"
"I FEEL SICK, RIGH HERE!!!!"
awesome...
yeah, that guy was trying to rip a part off his shirt of for the whole song. i'm surprised he didn't lay into him harder hahaha. epic how he lays it out in between lines without skipping a note... and that show is also awesome because it it is pouring and he hits the rails shitloads :D
lotion @ the spaceland gig or whatever?.. that was some sick shit..
oh and you wanna see him sing? look @ root from bamboozle left..that first high note..damn he even does the full thing (a bit of cheating taking a breath in the middle) but still, never seen him done that live!
yeah i did..that lotion was sick..intense man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QOFIdzuHuA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QOFIdzuHuA)
I don't hear it... yeaaaah... suuummer(?)..
You show me? oh and most of the song chino was offkey
Quote from: Vesanic on May 16, 2009, 02:57 PM...
nah it's funny, that everyone goes like chino was way better back then..it's just not true, listen to the root from bamboozle...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py7twVxpBC8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py7twVxpBC8&feature=related)
more control, technique, clearer and he's listening to the notes better... people just think he sang so much better back then because he was fucking up the stage...visual you know..his movement and actions made it more intense than it actually was..
Quote from: Vesanic on May 16, 2009, 03:03 PM...
dude do you sing like that for 2.5hours a day 5 days a week??? I played with people that DID (yeah they can't anymore)... chino had a breakdown with his voice. I think that you'll be more careful after that...
Listen to the screaming after the bridge in WGTB @ Pinkpop 2006.. or the screaming part in nosebleed @ Family Values.
Speaking about FV, the screaming in nosebleed almost turns in to statter at a certain point.. he can scream like he did, he's just careful. He knows his voice is his income and he can't fuck it up (+ i don't think he's all that mad anymore)
oh and you shouldn't listen to those on youtube, crappy audio.. i'm pumpin it from the tv-recording on a big ass kenwood amp with a nice 16band EQ ^^
Quote from: Vesanic on May 16, 2009, 03:17 PM...
Uhm... you didn't really read what i said did you?...he's just conserving his voice, he's matured and sobered up.. (screaming full on your glottis is easier when you're intoxicated...)
And i dindn't mean that inhale, i was doing that 10 years ago (so i know what it is..for chino just another trick to conserve his voice ;) ).. i mean the part after that... the interlude, inhale and then....... DON"T SPEAK , DON'T SAY NOTHING.. (always funny when you write it down, makes me think of nodoubt)..
The screaming on headup (2nd or 3rd verse) of the same show is soooooo brutal feels like the earth is trembling.. and still nosebleed check out the pitch of that.
(oh and i know the rest of that headup is crappy, bad stamina)
Quote from: Vesanic on May 16, 2009, 03:54 PM...
he still does, but the moments are sparse (like the family values nosebleed I WILL COME...that's the sickest screaming i've ever heard from anyone)..
like i said try screaming after 3-4 beers goes easier...chino drinks 10 he starts to scream insane, but his singing is slurred and offkey. Like the one u just upped, again the high note was ...
+ like i said he's a bit more mature and knows what the consequenses can be.. I'd rather have him singing better then screaming insane (like 2003era) but not being able to sing one decent note.
unowutimean?
Come on, Chino's voice was way better back then.
Quote from: Penicks on May 16, 2009, 04:23 PM
Come on, Chino's voice was way better back then.
here my man tell the truth again...
chino doesnt wanna push it...doesnt wanna lose his voice again...thats why he makes that cat screams
Quote from: rock_n_frost on May 16, 2009, 08:32 PM
Quote from: Penicks on May 16, 2009, 04:23 PM
Come on, Chino's voice was way better back then.
here my man tell the truth again...
chino doesnt wanna push it...doesnt wanna lose his voice again...thats why he makes that cat screams
cat screams, eagle screams,piggy screams.. man that dude can sound like any animal out there.
and debating weather or not chino's voice was better before or not is a total waste of time.anyone with functional ears can hear his voice was damaged for eternity after late 2000/beginning of 2001
Of course his screaming voice was better 10 years ago... at least then he could hold a fucking scream. he'll never be able to duplicate himself. and he'll never get it back, so he's stuck doing pig squeals. all his screams up until when they started playing self titled tracks were pretty damn good.
and yeah, there's a video him performing hexagram at pinkpop i think it was in 2003, and that has some decent vocals. but his singing voice was 100% better 10-15 years ago, even jumping around on stage.
yeah lol i meant the first verse
I dunno if i'm right, but maybe also he can't reach the notes because of the weight he has gained since 2003 to late 2008.... you know, trying to hit high notes and be on constant movement onstage, a fat man gets too fucking tired doing that!!!
and now he's a lil' thin again, he can do those high notes again... but really dunno if that's a good point to explain...
so don't get me wrong...
Quote from: Vesanic on May 16, 2009, 09:50 PM...
Def. Agree with that. Can't go wrong with Bloody Cape, it's like the Deftones Secret weapon imo (if he can even perform it well) hahaha
@defTHE1s - That's also a very good possibility for Chino as an individual, however I don't think weight has much to do with your vocal chords, it just has more to do with your lung power, and how much air you can put out while keeping control. (as well as the factors of his stage presence like you said)
i think his worst times was 2005...check this out, even i can sing better :
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this is last year....not a real live performance but that shows when he really uses his voice :
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of course his best voice was 10-15 years ago...
also this is rob's 11/11, may be you didnt see :
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rocknfrost,.. that is them screaming pretty live and unedited? not even some effects (reverb or w.e.)..too bad the screaming is too loud for the cam...
but you guys need to watch...
and use your fucking ears for once..djeez...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t151_Frv4k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t151_Frv4k)
3.15 (and listen to the response from the crowd?)
show me someone else doing that (glotis) or chino doing THAT in the nineties? it's almost unreal ehtereal sounding..
Yeah...real bad screaming,... (sarcasm)
oh lets compare it to 2003 pinkpop show..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Rlc0HwC88&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Rlc0HwC88&feature=related)
lol..c'mon u guys? that's not chino screaming...that's him doing something that sounds more like that gay-ass "grunting" metalbands do...gay-ass shit
Don't forget he was high as a kite there.
Pinkpop 2003's where my favorite Korea performance is at.
yeah, but the question you all are failing to ask is, in which one does chino look COOLER?! lol it's retarded trying to prove a point, because what you hear isnt necessarily what i hear, buddy.
Quote from: Vesanic on May 17, 2009, 09:03 PM...
i mean, Pinkpop 2003 is one of the best shows of that year buddy ;D
wgtb at 06 is tighter !
i say chino's voice gone with 2003...
with team sleep his voice was too weak..
after snw he was better in all live performances..
also nosebleed has simple notes but change,beware,kimdracula,passenger...etc.. have high notes.
these high notes can damage the voice more than screams (not cat/pig screams)
and dont forget the setlist...hexagram can kill the all your voice energy and you have to sing the other 16 songs more... thats not so easy...
my guess nosebleed was in the 2nd place at 06, and it was in 9th place at 03...
i watched allllllll deftones performances and to me their best performance is ''bizarre festival 98''
Quote from: Vesanic on May 25, 2009, 07:27 PM...
When he has the energy to do it he can still do it
but he's fat and old. i think he should quit screaming(if eros has shit screams)
And he can 't quit screaming. If he does that, the it's no more Deftones.
Quote from: defTHE1s on Jun 03, 2009, 05:11 AM
And he can 't quit screaming. If he does that, the it's no more Deftones.
So does that mean Deftones have rules? I thought the reason they are so good & original is because they do what they want!
Uh, dude, there's screaming in a lot of their songs. If you take that away, you take away the vibe. Which is also why I like the Deftones. The screams add something.
Quote from: Penicks on Jun 05, 2009, 08:06 PM
Uh, dude, there's screaming in a lot of their songs. If you take that away, you take away the vibe. Which is also why I like the Deftones. The screams add something.
Yeah 100% dude, I agree but there's also a lot more to them which makes them sound like the Tones too.
Quote from: nineteenpeoplesnames on Jun 05, 2009, 09:12 PM
Quote from: Penicks on Jun 05, 2009, 08:06 PM
Uh, dude, there's screaming in a lot of their songs. If you take that away, you take away the vibe. Which is also why I like the Deftones. The screams add something.
Yeah 100% dude, I agree but there's also a lot more to them which makes them sound like the Tones too.
yeah, like the Stef riffs. As a guitarist, i like a lot how he plays. But Chino's voice is really amazing, whit all those changes in the songs..