raise your hand if you think this album is "too" catchy. and by that i mean literally "too" catchy, as in it will not stand the test of time because i got it all on the first 3 listens. yeah some of the songs were awesome but this album has lost hold already...
Lost hold?
WTF man, theres nothing wrong with al abum being catchy if its a good album.
You mean Nirvana´s nevermind sucks because its catchy? one of the best albums ever made!
white pony is the catchiest of all of the deftones abums and its a hell of an album.
i know where you are coming from....yet its not 'too' catchy...elements of it seem like a departure from the past, yet onward also...some parts are very radio friendly, almost remind me of incubus, in sense.... sextape especially...still like the album.. still gonna buy it. i think all of deftones albums will stand the test of time. anyway who cares.. if you like it, yay. if others dont, so what
it's an awesome album, and a good kind of catchy
ANY album is gonna get old from too many listens. just be careful not to overplay it
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 14, 2010, 04:25 AM
raise your hand if you think this album is "too" catchy. and by that i mean literally "too" catchy, as in it will not stand the test of time because i got it all on the first 3 listens. yeah some of the songs were awesome but this album has lost hold already...
Yeah, I too can see where you're coming from.
I flogged the album when I first got it, and I have decided to stop now until I get the official copy, as I don't want to kill it.
In saying that however, I DO think it will stand the test of time.
It's a killer album, catchy but not "too" catchy.
I don't agree. Catchy for Deftones? Yes. Catchy in the normal sense of the word? No. There is a lot going on in every song though. I have a feeling that we will be able to hear more on the final mix.
Quote from: the deft ones on Apr 14, 2010, 05:14 AM
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 14, 2010, 04:25 AM
raise your hand if you think this album is "too" catchy. and by that i mean literally "too" catchy, as in it will not stand the test of time because i got it all on the first 3 listens. yeah some of the songs were awesome but this album has lost hold already...
Yeah, I too can see where you're coming from.
I flogged the album when I first got it, and I have decided to stop now until I get the official copy, as I don't want to kill it.
In saying that however, I DO think it will stand the test of time.
It's a killer album, catchy but not "too" catchy.
Quote from: Dienekes on Apr 14, 2010, 05:24 AM
I don't agree. Catchy for Deftones? Yes. Catchy in the normal sense of the word? No. There is a lot going on in every song though. I have a feeling that we will be able to hear more on the final mix.
yea, I think the final mix will sound a little different. But Its such a great record. I have no complaints!
I think they got it just right on this one....it hooks you in but still has that artistic integrity and originality.
I'm struggling to know how to say it.... I think when an album sounds quite short and catchy, there's a risk of it sounding too pop.
i haven't even heard it yet :)
yeah, last time i checked, "thriller" sucked balls.
I know where you were trying to go but thriller does suck balls...
I wouldnt say its catchy.. it has catchy songs yes, I just think its too short! and I miss the usual electronic track or just an instrumental one.
"thriller" what? Michael Jackson's thriller album? man helllllllllll nawwwww that don't suck
Too catchy? Agreed.
thriller is great but that besides the point. i guess crazy legs meant- because thriller is pop, and a really great album - its ok if Deftones also go pop because pop can be good. but the difference is course that mj is pop from the beginning and not expected to be anything else, while deftones is metal / rock and is not expected to be pop- so it may be more upsetting about deftones not releasing their style. even if the songs are good.
personally i think de is poppier at times but they get away with it
Catchy is ok aslong as it's done well.
Diamond Eyes incorporates catchy elements, however in every song you can hear the maturity gained from Deftones years and years of experience of propping up the alt rock/metal genre.
I'm glad they're realising the benefits of making songs that sound good on the first listen and let me tell you they are doing it with a hell of a lot more credibility than a lot of other bands. Hope this gets them a load of pay cheques.
no. i actually felt it took me longer to "get it" than previous records. i guess people differ. but 3 listens: can't be. they toy with time signatures and chord structures you have to get your head around, especially beauty school or evil, and after 10 listens there still wasn't a line from chino or memorable riff stuck in my head. only diamond eyes and sextape click pretty fast.
not for me. still feels fresh and only time can tell how it stands up. we won't get a proper perspective for months. and theres nothing wrong with catchy songs.
deftones should do a cover of "sex on fire"
I still love the new album. From start to finish!
too catchy?? nah
catchy compared to the self titled. but its better than S/T in my opinion. at least so far..
I listened to it again last night, and cant say I find it too poppy or too catchy at all. Royal, CMNC/CTRL, YTSB, Rocket Skates, are all pretty aggressive songs. Diamond Eyes and Sextape are more radio friendly but no more than Minerva or Change. DE is equally as good as WP IMO.
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 14, 2010, 04:25 AM
raise your hand if you think this album is "too" catchy. and by that i mean literally "too" catchy, as in it will not stand the test of time
STD's are too catchy. And they stand the test of time.
Quote from: fetisher on Apr 14, 2010, 05:32 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Apr 14, 2010, 04:25 AM
raise your hand if you think this album is "too" catchy. and by that i mean literally "too" catchy, as in it will not stand the test of time
STD's are too catchy. And they stand the test of time.
HA!!!! Made me laugh! Good on ya sir. 8)
Quote from: Deadradio on Apr 14, 2010, 02:51 PM
I still love the new album. From start to finish!
I've been listening nonstop. It's a great album. On the first listen, I didn't play the songs in order, and I thought it sounded really raw. Maybe it was just because it's a rough version. I actually didn't even play "You've Seen The Butcher" past the slow guitar chugs at first. I thought it sounded too... different.lol Same with Roayl. Once I got the songs in order and played it, I thought it was amazing. The only songs I'm not big on are "Prince" and "This Place Is Death" . I love the lyrics to Prince, but the song itself isn't one of my favorites. It's growing on me though.
Its a great album. I dont think they really strayed away from the deftones sound but i think the showed growth. Look at how much they grew from atf to wp. Theyre always experimental and bring new things 2 the table. They could sound like the shitty bands the get radio play everyday. So im going with no on the 2 catchy thing lol
My love for it is getting stronger. Catchy my ass. There's about 3 songs I could play to someone who isn't a fan to get them interested. Diamond Eyes, Beauty School and Sextape.
its just as catchy as White Pony and that was a pretty good album by them
Quote from: godin on Apr 14, 2010, 04:07 PM
catchy compared to the self titled. but its better than S/T in my opinion.
for sure, better than s/t and snw
I don't think the topic starter is worried about it being too poppy, but perhaps more one dimensional compared to, say WP, ST and SNW, so that after some listens you know the songs from front to back instead of experiencing new facets of the music after years of listening.
ATF was basically this one dimensional as well and I didn't mind. Like ATF, DE is a record I put on the get pumped for a night going out, and for that it does wonders. While the sound is different from ATF, this basically makes DE feel like ATF 2 for me.
Now, here's hoping the NEXT record is WP 2 =P
Can't we just treat this as something new, why do we need to be fixated on getting Wp2. They'll never make a Wp2 cuz WP is such a complete and unique record.
Im not talking about the same sound dude. Read my post more carefully. Im talking about where I use the record for, the way the songs are structured and how many dimensions the songs have.
Ok i re read that and i see what you mean. My point is why like try to tag the next album as a WP2. Why can't it be something new and fresh like have it stand on its own?
Note: not trying to diss you or sound attackful. Just having a friendly discussion :)
yeah its ok, I dont want a true white pony either. I shouldn't name it WP2, it was laziness on my part.
so, to get back into the discussion at hand, I do think DE is intensly catchy, but Im not getting sick of it at all. so it's win/win for me
Hey guys. I'm a total deftones noob here so i'll give my take. The only deftones song I had heard before 2 weeks ago was Change. I've had it on my ipod for a few years now and always loved it but had never heard anything else by them. I don't like much new music and don't listen to the radio so that was it. I noticed a new song from them (Rocket Skates) on the main page of itunes and decided to check it out and loved it. Now for the past 2 weeks I have just really fell in love with this band. I have listened to NOTHING but deftones since then. I've watched a ton of live footage, interviews and most of their music, learned about their history, and I cna't get enough. The newer stuff is definitely more catchy you could say, but I think it's incredible. You can really tell how they have grown since their first album and I love the direction they are going in. Sorry for blathering on but i'm so glad that i've finally discovered this band.
Good for you... Enjoy !
it's good to have new fans. they need all they can get
We were all new fans at some point as well so yeah, it's good.
I dont agree with you.
I think its different from what they already created (im glad), not catchy!
Quote from: Hidalgo on Apr 14, 2010, 09:17 PM
Quote from: godin on Apr 14, 2010, 04:07 PM
catchy compared to the self titled. but its better than S/T in my opinion.
for sure, better than s/t and snw
not better than s/t, but its better than snw and atf. i think its on the same level as wp
Well,..... you can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please every fucking deftones fan. I see it
as a victory for the band, Mabey catchy, but c'mon . Change, Minerva, Be Quiet and Drive, They've always had a
crossover potential, the only sad thing is that they didn't pick the "catchy" songs as singles yet.
Either way , its a GREAT album!
the diamond eyes song is kinda catchy
I also thought the song structures on this album were "catchy" and "radio friendly". This album will probably gain them more exposure this way although I don't see this as selling out. I'd do the same shit if my homie was in a coma
What the he'll does Chi being in a coma have to do with anything??? WTF.....
would a band or artist -not- want a song or album to be catchy? ;D they arent making music just for themseves to listen to ;)
imo the thing is, the "catchyness" or "poppiness" of it all actually works to DEs benefit. it's just how you look at it or define those terms....
they really switched it up on this record without losing any of their flavor.....it's like they went back to square one, except it's a new square.
to me, some of their signatures sounded slightly forced/stale on SNW, and from what i heard of EROS(melanie), they might have been trodding further down that road.....personally i'd love nothing more than to hear some more raw and oldschool Deftones style on a new record, but at some points recently it felt like they were spinning wheels.
with DE i feel like they regained some much needed traction, moving forward and dropping all the dead weight, riff types/rythmic patterns/melodies they outgrew, but held on to either out of habit, sentimentality, or feeling pressured to do so for fear of alienating fans....
it's like they said fuck it, and just did what they enjoyed without worrying about reactions. the more commercial sound of the record at some points would argue against that, but i think that it's just a mature record from a more mature Deftones. i don't think they said "let's just write like incubus and make money" or some shit...i can't imagine them doing anything like that, and if they did i don't think it would sound like DE. just for example,personally i think 976-evil and this place is death are groundbreaking and new pinnacles of their career....
i never lost faith in them, but i never wanted to feel in any way that i was grasping at straws for things to like in some of their post WP songs/work, and i must say that i am COMPLETELY reinvigorated and excited about thm again in a way i haven't been for years. I love the tones more than any other band out there by faaaarrr, and i am so happy to hear them do what they do best, break new ground. even from a "radio" or commercial standpoint, if you wanna look at it through the prism of catchiness, this record blows everything else out there away with it's grace and originality!!!!!
Quote from: wax on Apr 16, 2010, 08:25 PM
would a band or artist -not- want a song or album to be catchy? ;D
Uhhm, yes. Ever listened to any avant-garde, math-metal, noisy stuff?
Music doesn't have to be catchy to sound great.
Quote from: bodywars9000 on Apr 21, 2010, 02:01 PM
imo the thing is, the "catchyness" or "poppiness" of it all actually works to DEs benefit. it's just how you look at it or define those terms....
they really switched it up on this record without losing any of their flavor.....it's like they went back to square one, except it's a new square.
to me, some of their signatures sounded slightly forced/stale on SNW, and from what i heard of EROS(melanie), they might have been trodding further down that road.....personally i'd love nothing more than to hear some more raw and oldschool Deftones style on a new record, but at some points recently it felt like they were spinning wheels.
with DE i feel like they regained some much needed traction, moving forward and dropping all the dead weight, riff types/rythmic patterns/melodies they outgrew, but held on to either out of habit, sentimentality, or feeling pressured to do so for fear of alienating fans....
it's like they said fuck it, and just did what they enjoyed without worrying about reactions. the more commercial sound of the record at some points would argue against that, but i think that it's just a mature record from a more mature Deftones. i don't think they said "let's just write like incubus and make money" or some shit...i can't imagine them doing anything like that, and if they did i don't think it would sound like DE. just for example,personally i think 976-evil and this place is death are groundbreaking and new pinnacles of their career....
i never lost faith in them, but i never wanted to feel in any way that i was grasping at straws for things to like in some of their post WP songs/work, and i must say that i am COMPLETELY reinvigorated and excited about thm again in a way i haven't been for years. I love the tones more than any other band out there by faaaarrr, and i am so happy to hear them do what they do best, break new ground. even from a "radio" or commercial standpoint, if you wanna look at it through the prism of catchiness, this record blows everything else out there away with it's grace and originality!!!!!
outstanding post
Quote from: theis on Apr 21, 2010, 05:40 PM
Quote from: wax on Apr 16, 2010, 08:25 PM
would a band or artist -not- want a song or album to be catchy? ;D
Ever listened to any avant-garde, math-metal, noisy stuff? Music doesn't have to be catchy to sound great.
yes, yes, yes, and even more. agree. my statement somewhat sarcastic. like some other posts. doesnt translate well over the net. whats catchy to someone who has no idea about those genres you listed and is all over the latest pop single might not find those other other genres/bands of music 'catchy'. pelican, naked city, etc. might not appeal to some 13 yr kid who is all over justin bieber. or those bands/types of music arent ever going to be on the radio because they dont follow a ababa song structure. of course that doesnt mean those bands or genres aren't 'good' they just dont have the potential too be 'catchy' and consumed by millions. get it? look what metallica did. long somewhatcomplex songs on justice and then next album, black, shorter simpler songs and viola instant sucess. 'catchier' more easy to bedigested songs by the masses. yet many said that album sucked and werent good. some people want 'complex'
anyway im wondering if the tones wanted to make an album that would sell more.....in order to use the ca$h to help chi.....
thanx MOZ
okay, now the album has soaked in even more. well not so much? maybe its oil on water for you?
it just got old for me quick... what about you fools?
I still really dig it, I still want to listen to it every day. But yeah, it's the most easy listening album they've made for sure and sometimes it can get annoying really fast (especially sextape and risk, imo), but it's an awesome album nonetheless. Actually that's the reason why I dig it so much, because it is not THAT deep and heavy - it really has this positive vibe that everyone's talking about, yepp yepp.
Royal, CMND/CTRL, YSTB, Beauty School, 976-Evil and TPID - love 'em, man.
too catchy?? its like...
i hate coke but i like the way it smells...
Rarely listen to it. Almost none of the songs hold any 'secrets' for me or move me in any way. Royal's still a killer track though.
Quote from: Penicks on Aug 04, 2010, 05:50 PM
Rarely listen to it. Almost none of the songs hold any 'secrets' for me or move me in any way. Royal's still a killer track though.
I absolutely love this album and have from the start. It hasn't lost me at all. It feels similar to the way S/T took me in and remained an absolute favorite even to this day. I'm sure this one will stay with me for the rest of my life. I don't feel like its any more catchy than Deftones have been in the past.
still awesome . hands down album of the year