Ok. So this song, to me, feels like it just barely missed its mark. It sounds like either Abe drank a bottle of weaksauce before he laid this one down, OR the producer just sucked the badassery out of the performance by lowering the overall drum levels or dropping all the punch from the drums in the mix. I'm thinking it was the latter. This song really needed that push from the drums and I think they made a fatal error with it by mixing it the way they did. It seriously makes the Deftones sound like they're trying to be heavy and failing, which is something at which they could never fail.
I also feel like the song could have stood to be a few BPM faster. Just seems kind of dead. The funny thing is that the drums at the beginning of "Beauty School" are at the appropriate level that would have done the trick for "CMND/CTRL" in my opinion. I'm sure I'll get over this issue and soon enough the song in question will right at home with me.
Only other issue is "King Kong. Get some." Seriously? Why?
Other than that, I'm pretty good with this album. Kind of has that spacey vibe that they were talking about before SNW and that I was expecting from that album.
Brutal Song i like it.
I love this song. it really stands out because of the energy, reminds me of the ATF days. I dunno man, I just love it, sorry.
Yeah I have to say I think this one is a beast. ;D have to disagree with ya.
Quote from: Hesperian Death-Horse! on May 05, 2010, 06:28 PM
Only other issue is "King Kong. Get some." Seriously? Why?
Yeah, I just don't get that one. ;D
It makes me laugh, which (judging by the mood of the song) I don't think is the intention.
Not one of my favorites on the album but I like it..I didn't really notice a difference in the drum sounds tho... The riff and the drums sound pretty hard to play..It has some weird timing in some spots..
This is probably the most complete deftones album in my opinion.. All the songs fit well in the spots they are in.. I've found myself trying to listen to it on shuffle and its hard because the songs all seem to fit so well in the order they are.. Not many albums do that for me... The last album I can think of that I couldn't put on shuffle was The Downward Spiral and that was many years ago lol
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Listening to: Deftones - CMND/CTRL (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/deftones/track/cmnd+ctrl)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)
Crazy. Maybe my idea of it was over-exaggerated because everyone hyped it as the "heavy brutal track" for this album and I will concede that it is the most consistently heavy song on the album but I must have been expecting more due to the hype. Plus I've been listening to a lot of Converge lately so anything heavy in comparison would probably just sound weak. I do really like the song I just think it could have been handled better on the production end but I'm a meticulous motherfucker.
I also initially felt like the "chorus" on The Mars Volta's "Tetragrammaton" should have been faster and had louder drums (that whole album needed the drums turned up but anyway...). Just felt like it didn't make its mark of intensity that it was going for but I eventually adjusted to that as well.
I think it's the best song on the album IMO. I love the 'You see I'm well aware...Your're out of your mind...' Those lyrics just seems to fit the melody he's singing perfectly. It's amazing what lyrics can do to a song, takes it to a personal level for the listener.
When I read the 'King Kong' lyrics though...wtf? Chino's hip-hop influences coming out there.
I personally think the song hits the hardest.
i think it's really unique. love the rhythm
this new record is very futuristic,spacey and fresh, so i think its very cool to put a song like this on it cause the song is very demoish,back to the roots and underground sort of...the opposite what this rec stands for. like someone said "like a b-side to adrenaline". it got that razor sharp guitar and some old school deftones rap vocals in it. i dont think it is meant to be taken as serious as the heavy and raw wgtb for example,more a playful flirt with the past.
i dig it
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 05, 2010, 07:09 PM
this new record is very futuristic,spacey and fresh, so i think its very cool to put a song like this on it cause the song is very demoish,back to the roots and underground sort of...the opposite what this rec stands for. like someone said "like a b-side to adrenaline". it got that razor sharp guitar and some old school deftones rap vocals in it. i dont think it is meant to be taken as serious as the heavy and raw wgtb for example,more a playful flirt with the past.
i dig it
exactly, lets write a track for fun
bitch you're barbaric, king kong, get some
i fucking love this track.
I love the song. it reminds me of their old nu-metal sound without sounding like a blast from the past. it's one of those songs where the verse and chorus are equally amazing.
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 05, 2010, 07:16 PM
bitch you're barbaric, king kong, get some
i fucking love this track.
that lines reminds me of something Anthony Keidis would write, which is more than fine by me
I LOVE IT!!! :D It has a great sound to it. Yeah, it's probably not the deepest song, but it'll get you pumped!
You see I'm well aware... you're out your mind!!!!! :D
i like the live version from last night
Yea the King Kong line is one of my favorites on the album. Straight bad ass. Gotta disagree with u dude. I'm sure the song will grown on u.
ha yeah i freakin love the king kong line.
Quote from: Hesperian Death-Horse! on May 05, 2010, 06:28 PM
Ok. So this song, to me, feels like it just barely missed its mark. It sounds like either Abe drank a bottle of weaksauce before he laid this one down, OR the producer just sucked the badassery out of the performance by lowering the overall drum levels or dropping all the punch from the drums in the mix. I'm thinking it was the latter. This song really needed that push from the drums and I think they made a fatal error with it by mixing it the way they did. It seriously makes the Deftones sound like they're trying to be heavy and failing, which is something at which they could never fail.
I also feel like the song could have stood to be a few BPM faster. Just seems kind of dead. The funny thing is that the drums at the beginning of "Beauty School" are at the appropriate level that would have done the trick for "CMND/CTRL" in my opinion. I'm sure I'll get over this issue and soon enough the song in question will right at home with me.
Only other issue is "King Kong. Get some." Seriously? Why?
Other than that, I'm pretty good with this album. Kind of has that spacey vibe that they were talking about before SNW and that I was expecting from that album.
You know, I feel it's a little unorthadox myself. Frank's effects throw it off for me, but i still like it. And yeah those lyrics sound like they were fuckin around and someone told him to keep it or something. Just probably one of the most far away tracks from them that I would expect to hear, thats all.
I like it so much I sometimes start the album from there, just to listen to the CMND/CTRL-YSTB-Beauty School 123.
Best part for me is Frank's building atmosphere towards the end of the song with the droning synth.
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 05, 2010, 07:16 PM
bitch you're barbaric, king kong, get some
i fucking love this track.
100%.
Love those lyrics.
Quote from: stapezee on May 05, 2010, 07:53 PM
Yea the King Kong line is one of my favorites on the album. Straight bad ass. Gotta disagree with u dude. I'm sure the song will grown on u.
+1
best song on the fuckin album idiot!!
THIS SONG KICKS ASS!!!!!!!! another nit picky douche bag! JUST BECAUSE I CANNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
Quote from: Bergerac on May 05, 2010, 10:32 PM
I like it so much I sometimes start the album from there, just to listen to the CMND/CTRL-YSTB-Beauty School 123.
Best part for me is Frank's building atmosphere towards the end of the song with the droning synth.
I do the same shit.
Quote from: saltinut1 on May 05, 2010, 11:51 PM
best song on the fuckin album idiot!!
Quote from: darksoul on May 05, 2010, 11:58 PM
THIS SONG KICKS ASS!!!!!!!! another nit picky douche bag! JUST BECAUSE I CANNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
Seriously, guys? Is name calling really necessary? How old are we? I made an intelligent dissection of an anomaly on the album that was bugging me as I'm incredibly critical of Deftones because they've been one of my favorite bands for a long time and you respond as if I just shit all over it or all over you. I didn't. I actually love this album more and more every listen but I was expecting a much more aggressive song out of "CMND/CTRL" than it actually is and I'm voicing my opinion on it. I didn't set out to offend anyone. And yeah, I'm pretty critical of the aforementioned lyrics that I found distasteful but I can accept them. They just feel out of place for me because I can really relate to the rest of the song's lyrics.
So back to the original topic, I'm finding that the song comes off better on my car stereo than it did on my home stereo because the bass is a bit more powerful in the car and I'm basing my issue with the overall tone/mix of the song on my first listen which was in my room on a really great system but at a significantly low volume that didn't let the bass announce itself as well as it has in other listens since then.
So yeah, I'm coming to terms with most of my issues with this track. Thanks to everyone who responded politely and added their voice to this discussion.
Yeah what he said................Let's play nice kids!
That being said it is definitely the most Brutal track on the album and I like Brutal!
However it is no "When Girls Telephone Boys" IMO
Quote from: buddyboy101 on May 05, 2010, 08:48 PM
ha yeah i freakin love the king kong line.
i dunno but i rather hear him singing about some ape insted of waves and earth
I love this song, I dont really have any criticisms about it. Deftones are like my favorite band, but I like their diversity, so it means I love most of their songs (even if it takes a while). Anyways, about the "bitch you're barbaric, King Kong, get some" lyrics...it seems outta place, but I guess it's part of the vibe. It sounds like it's meant to be in this kinda sarcastic or mocking way, so that fits in I suppose...it still made me laugh wen I actually read it though, I wasnt expecting that.
i dont know about u guys, but i think it would be pretty neat if there was a guy dancing in a gorilla costume on stage while deftones performed the song live
I agree with the OP, even though I like this song it seems really plain to me and not very interesting. I like all of the songs on DE but this one id definetly my least favorite. Just seems too simple for me, probably what they were going for. I think its kind of simular to royal, but royal blows it out of the water. Cant really put my finger on it, but I could live without this song being on the album.
I like the song don't get me wrong but its not my favorite
Best song on the album. It's got so much fucking attitude. Ballin'
Quote from: Hesperian Death-Horse! on May 05, 2010, 06:28 PM
It seriously makes the Deftones sound like they're trying to be heavy and failing, which is something at which they could never fail.
I have exactly the same feeling. It's the only song of the album I skip...
I like it. Its what they do best, straight riffs in your face, not forgeting the melodic stuff that Chino does so well. Too bad he cant reach the high notes live (So far)!
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 06, 2010, 03:34 PM
Quote from: buddyboy101 on May 05, 2010, 08:48 PM
ha yeah i freakin love the king kong line.
i dunno but i rather hear him singing about some ape insted of waves and earth
I'm the opposite. :D I love his Romance imagery. Its incredibly powerful to me. This is really the first time, out something like 70 songs that I've really questioned his lyrical integrity. I've always loved everything else he's written but I'm adapting to this and every other song on Diamond Eyes is as close to perfect as Chino ever gets lyrically. I just have such high expectations for his lyrics that I found it really difficult to accept at first especially since it reminded me of the shitty "King Kong in the trunk" dance song.
Like in "When Girls Telephone Boys," the song is very angry and solemn for the most part but the title is sort of tongue in cheek and the some of the lyrics like "I would call but I forget where the phone is at" are somewhat humorous but still sarcastic and angry. To me, that's the perfect marriage of aggression and humor but like I said, the King Kong reference was just a little too low-brow for me to handle in lyrics that are otherwise excellent.
So yeah. I'm glad some people are feeling me on this. I still feel like they're kind of holding back in this track. I would hold it up to songs like "Rapture" and I feel like "Rapture" does a better job at being one of the "brutal" tracks. Still love the shit out of this album though.
Quote from: Hesperian Death-Horse! on May 07, 2010, 04:28 AM
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 06, 2010, 03:34 PM
Quote from: buddyboy101 on May 05, 2010, 08:48 PM
ha yeah i freakin love the king kong line.
I just have such high expectations for his lyrics that I found it really difficult to accept at first especially since it reminded me of the shitty "King Kong in the trunk" dance song.
or leroy brown
And he's bad, bad Leroy Brown
The baddest man in the whole damned town
Badder than a-old King Kong
And meaner than a junkyard dog
jim croce bad bad leroy brown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaVPASJmeMU#)
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lol. Not a fan of that song at all and definitely wouldn't hold that artists songs in the same regard as Deftones.
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Anyone else notice the laughing noise at 00:48, right after he says "the camera laughing at you"?
Quote from: buddyboy101 on May 08, 2010, 05:35 AM
Anyone else notice the laughing noise at 00:48, right after he says "the camera laughing at you"?
Yep
Yes. I'm liking this song more and more. Just had to get over the blown up expectations. I still feel the drums could have used a bit more balls but its cool.
Quote from: buddyboy101 on May 08, 2010, 05:35 AM
Anyone else notice the laughing noise at 00:48, right after he says "the camera laughing at you"?
Yeah
Quote from: buddyboy101 on May 08, 2010, 05:35 AM
Anyone else notice the laughing noise at 00:48, right after he says "the camera laughing at you"?
should be a laughing noice after king kong too
Quote from: Hesperian Death-Horse! on May 07, 2010, 04:28 AM
I'm the opposite. :D I love his Romance imagerysong.
its not that, its the constant using of those words. it has nothing to do what the words are or what they stand for. i mean jonathan davis use "pain" a lot, robert smith "kiss", joey cape "hypocrite", morrissey likes to sing about cars and so on.. its like chino wants to have somw words that are typically "chino" but it just gets annoying
Quote from: buddyboy101 on May 08, 2010, 05:35 AM
Anyone else notice the laughing noise at 00:48, right after he says "the camera laughing at you"?
Yeah man, it's Chino laughing right after he says it. lol
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 09, 2010, 10:50 AM
Quote from: Hesperian Death-Horse! on May 07, 2010, 04:28 AM
I'm the opposite. :D I love his Romance imagerysong.
its not that, its the constant using of those words. it has nothing to do what the words are or what they stand for. i mean jonathan davis use "pain" a lot, robert smith "kiss", joey cape "hypocrite", morrissey likes to sing about cars and so on.. its like chino wants to have somw words that are typically "chino" but it just gets annoying
Hm...for a while I figured "lungs" was his word...he'd say it quite a lot. And then it became waves and the earth. Still, like you said, lots of ppl have words they use a lot.
and in this album, anxiety, and his variations and waves haha
Earth is to "SNW" as Waves is to "DE".
I say for the next record he litters the line, "king kong" in every other song.
chino loves the earth, huh?
The whole song is awesome except for the horrible chorus. Chino sings way too high and a lot of the melodies are too traditional with no edge. While Hexagram has the most fucked, end of the world chorus. How can this be the same band?
Quote from: nyquil_addict133 on May 10, 2010, 11:58 PM
The whole song is awesome except for the horrible chorus. Chino sings way too high and a lot of the melodies are too traditional with no edge. While Hexagram has the most fucked, end of the world chorus. How can this be the same band?
I totally agree - the chorus is just boring. Same goes for "Royal".
i think royal is pure greatness, while cmnd/ctrl is quite... weak?
it's a good song, but... it lacks something
Quote from: wax on May 07, 2010, 05:51 AM
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is now my desktop
Royal and CMND are both my fave. Someone mentioned they heard laughing in CMND. I hear diamonds in Prince and door knocks on Youve seen the Butcher.
Quote from: mr.sinister on May 09, 2010, 08:43 PM
Earth is to "SNW" as Waves is to "DE".
I say for the next record he litters the line, "king kong" in every other song.
I actually feel that "Earth" was a bit more widely used on S/T but I could be wrong especially since the word is like the main point in both "Hole In The Earth" and "Kimdracula" which was actually titled "The Earth" initially. I actually feel like going through and tallying it up. S/T had an amazing flow of thematic words/imagery that traveled from track to track and kind of linked them all together. I love that.
I really love the recurrence of Chino's lyrical themes. It just doesn't get old for me. Which is why "King Kong" fucked with me so much.
The only thing that really bothered me is the repetitiveness of the riff and just how one dimensional the verse sounded. The song really grew on me though.
The main riff is just weird though. I think Stef is just using the octaves which makes it sound brittle or something.
Personally I really like it it. A little reminiscent of Helmet for me. Also quite impressed they've managed to make quite a pimp-rock sounding song without it sounding staid, dated or something from the late 90s nu-metal era.
Quote from: mr.sinister on May 09, 2010, 08:43 PM
Earth is to "SNW" as Waves is to "DE".
I say for the next record he litters the line, "king kong" in every other song.
there was "waves" in bloody cape, anniversary for an uninteresting event and in cherry waves too, they're everywhere
to me personally this song is like street carp not sonically, but the way it fits in the album. It fits it flows well but just something missing. Just my thoughts.
Quote from: nyquil_addict133 on May 11, 2010, 05:25 AM
Royal and CMND are both my fave. Someone mentioned they heard laughing in CMND. I hear diamonds in Prince and door knocks on Youve seen the Butcher.
YES!! I had crappy headphones, and everytime YSTB would come on (frm the leak) I'd think my floor was creaking on its own or something. I realized it was the song. It was a stupid moment.
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 11, 2010, 10:35 AM
Quote from: mr.sinister on May 09, 2010, 08:43 PM
Earth is to "SNW" as Waves is to "DE".
I say for the next record he litters the line, "king kong" in every other song.
there was "waves" in bloody cape, anniversary for an uninteresting event and in cherry waves too, they're everywhere
Thank you, i was just talking about that a couple weeks ago. As far as SNW he says the earth four xs in kimdracula in very chorus like verses...so the fuck what. And of course hole in the earth and he mentions it in xerces. Still i dont think its THAT bad.
Quote from: TheShade1989 on May 11, 2010, 11:14 PM
Quote from: nyquil_addict133 on May 11, 2010, 05:25 AM
Royal and CMND are both my fave. Someone mentioned they heard laughing in CMND. I hear diamonds in Prince and door knocks on Youve seen the Butcher.
YES!! I had crappy headphones, and everytime YSTB would come on (frm the leak) I'd think my floor was creaking on its own or something. I realized it was the song. It was a stupid moment.
haven't heard the diamonds on prince yet but fucking when i first was hearing the knocks on YSTB it would fucking startle the fuck out of me, they're too loud.. still does it to this day and i know they're there.. it's just too like... random and loud.. but it kinda adds a vibe there..
Earth's in Minerva too. :P
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on May 12, 2010, 12:46 AM
Earth's in Minerva too. :P
Nice call i forgot. Brings my knees to the earth!
Also, Good Morning Beautiful. :P
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on May 12, 2010, 06:43 AM
Also, Good Morning Beautiful. :P
You choose heaven over the EARTH. Fuck! Im eating my own words.
No more gold lights for the queen EARTH
Its fuckin everywhere man.
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Shit cracks me up every time. ;D
Quote from: deftones86 on May 12, 2010, 12:47 PM
No more gold lights for the queen EARTH
Its fuckin everywhere man.
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/tmacie_2006/THEEARTH.jpg)
Jesus already mentioned that along with bloody cape. Its cool though
ok just as long as its cool. i was worried it wouldnt be
Yeah, man. I love the main themes that run through S/T. The main themes as I've nailed them down are
Earth
Crowd
Sound
Proud
Moan
Sail
Waves
And I tallied it up between S/T and SNW. On S/T "Earth" scores a 10 and on SNW it gets a 14. And that's not counting the echoes of the chorus in "Hole In The Earth." I only tallied how many times he actually said it initially.
Quote from: deftones86 on May 12, 2010, 12:47 PM
No more gold lights for the queen EARTH
Its fuckin everywhere man.
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/tmacie_2006/THEEARTH.jpg)
ha! ill admit, compared to other planets in our solar system, the earth is hype...
I think Chino is a green peace member he does drive a Toyota Prius, used the phrase 'the earth' quite a lot back then. Maybe he was in cohoots to subliminaly make us join also
Quote from: MxKnife on May 13, 2010, 02:37 AM
I think Chino is a green peace member he does drive a Toyota Prius, used the phrase 'the earth' quite a lot back then. Maybe he was in cohoots to subliminaly make us join also
Bet it says that if you play it backwards. On another note i have lost respect for Chino...driving a Prius.
'Yvan eht nioj'
i lost respect for him when he wasn't out there with a flat top low rider. Cruisin for some rucas. Hahahah
Quote from: MxKnife on May 13, 2010, 02:59 AM
'Yvan eht nioj'
i lost respect for him when he wasn't out there with a flat top low rider. Cruisin for some rucas. Hahahah
Lol seriously. U cant be a rockstar and drive a Prius.
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Quote from: SX King on May 13, 2010, 03:14 AM
Lol seriously. U cant be a rockstar and drive a Prius.
perhaps that's a true rock star right there.. not giving a shit about what,in people eyes, should be done? he just dont give a fuck :P
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 13, 2010, 07:11 AM
Quote from: SX King on May 13, 2010, 03:14 AM
Lol seriously. U cant be a rockstar and drive a Prius.
perhaps that's a true rock star right there.. not giving a shit about what,in people eyes, should be done? he just dont give a fuck :P
You have a good point but i think owning a Prius is one of those LA trends especially when they first came out.
what if he bought the car because its better for the enviorment, its a hybrid afterall, electricity and gasoline.
then u can go 2 ways, either you think "man thats rock n roll, doing quite the opposite to what is expected" or"man thats gay, real rock stars drive monstertrucks"
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on May 13, 2010, 07:29 AM
what if he bought the car because its better for the enviorment, its a hybrid afterall, electricity and gasoline.
then u can go 2 ways, either you think "man thats rock n roll, doing quite the opposite to what is expected" or"man thats gay, real rock stars drive monstertrucks"
Then good for him. I still wouldnt drive one.
people always forget that theres alot of energy consumption in MANUFACTURING hybrid cars. Its not all about exhaust. People are like sheep they flock in the direction they are guided.