here is the link of the interview
http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/the_class_of_2000_chino_moreno_on_deftones_white_pony/ (http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/the_class_of_2000_chino_moreno_on_deftones_white_pony/)
Here is the link of the interviews thread
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,16661.0.html (http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,16661.0.html)
nice interview. thx
It's interesting about the drugs comment Chino makes and one that I thought was always true. From someone who has taken "drugs" myself, your imagination and creative mind is enhanced so much. That is why the lyrics are so great on White Pony and to an extent S/T. With the S/T era the band were going through shit with divorces etc which is why the lyrical content is sad and depressing. The drug taking maybe stopped Chino from being so creative because of all the shit he had to think about. A lot of drug taking can also get you really down...
And maybe this is why I am a little disappointed with the lyrics on Diamond Eyes because Chino doesn't do much narcotics anymore...
From Chino:
Quote"But then you add those lyrics in there, they're painting a picture, they're telling you a story, I guess. Those are some of my favorite lyrics that I wrote. Now that I look back at it, I don't remember writing them. Which leads me to believe that I was probably out of my mind when I did it."
Good interview.
I was truly disappointed with the lyrics in SNW.
Maybe the same reason...or...other drugs.
Quote from: Starz on Aug 10, 2010, 10:30 AM
It's interesting about the drugs comment Chino makes and one that I thought was always true. From someone who has taken "drugs" myself, your imagination and creative mind is enhanced so much. That is why the lyrics are so great on White Pony and to an extent S/T. With the S/T era the band were going through shit with divorces etc which is why the lyrical content is sad and depressing. The drug taking maybe stopped Chino from being so creative because of all the shit he had to think about. A lot of drug taking can also get you really down...
And maybe this is why I am a little disappointed with the lyrics on Diamond Eyes because Chino doesn't do much narcotics anymore...
From Chino:
Quote"But then you add those lyrics in there, they're painting a picture, they're telling you a story, I guess. Those are some of my favorite lyrics that I wrote. Now that I look back at it, I don't remember writing them. Which leads me to believe that I was probably out of my mind when I did it."
Good interview.
I never understood how taking any drugs helped ppl be creative, but I guess it depends on how you react to it and why you take them and everything. Personally, I think the lyrics on Diamond Eyes are awesome (even though I do prefer White Pony, lyrically). Still, it has its good and bad points. The fantastical and story-telling kinda thing works best with them to me though, so even if Chino being on drugs enhanced that, I think it's just how he prefers writing anyways.
Awesome interview by the way, thnx.
that's a great interview. Nice to have a retrospective view on the greatest album of all time from the guy who wrote it.
Quote from: aj on Aug 10, 2010, 07:20 PM
that's a great interview. Nice to have a retrospective view on the greatest album of all time from the guy who wrote it.
Haha it's not like he wrote it himself :-)
the best words have been written without drugs
Great interview, Thanks for sharing.
That guy is a fucking dickface. It's funny that Chino's honesty to everything blows up in dickface's face though. Dreadlocks and fancy tracksuits? uuuuggh, isn't that the way they came in anyways? What a good fucking record and a damn good person to get the answers from! Especially from a d-bag asking the q's. Reminds me of when they are on camera in an awkward interview and u can see them laughing inside at these dbag fucksticks. It's like, thanks for your time asshole but here is your straightup answer whether u like it or believe it or NOT. It's for us to hear, not this stain who probably makes weekly hair appointments and has an actual penis at the same time. ;D Plus, Thank you much, still got a lot outta this courtesy of u n Chino
"Isn't White Pony your last record to go platinum? Because Nickelback rocks and stuff and they are like awesome and are a really Platinum band everytime. What a great, respectful question to a band celebrating 10 years on a milestone. :-X
Quote from: Starz on Aug 10, 2010, 10:30 AM
It's interesting about the drugs comment Chino makes and one that I thought was always true. From someone who has taken "drugs" myself, your imagination and creative mind is enhanced so much. That is why the lyrics are so great on White Pony and to an extent S/T. With the S/T era the band were going through shit with divorces etc which is why the lyrical content is sad and depressing. The drug taking maybe stopped Chino from being so creative because of all the shit he had to think about. A lot of drug taking can also get you really down...
And maybe this is why I am a little disappointed with the lyrics on Diamond Eyes because Chino doesn't do much narcotics anymore...
From Chino:
Quote"But then you add those lyrics in there, they're painting a picture, they're telling you a story, I guess. Those are some of my favorite lyrics that I wrote. Now that I look back at it, I don't remember writing them. Which leads me to believe that I was probably out of my mind when I did it."
Good interview.
anyone who thinks drugs genuinely make you more creative is just plain retarded. are you 14?
"Drugs have done good things for us, if you don't believe they have, do me a favor, take all your albums, tapes, and cds and burn 'em. 'cause you know the musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years.... rrrrrrrrreal f**kin high." - Bill Hicks
that's not really my point. drugs don't make non-creative people creative and they certainly don't make for better creativity. i'm not ripping on drugs, god knows i've done my share and i'm in a life long love affair with pot, but i don't find i'm any more creative when i'm high. in fact i'm less creative and that initial inspiration leaves pretty fast. being creative is a lifestyle, not a side effect. drugs have had definite influences on things i create and things i love but 90% of the time things created while high have no purpose or direction and generally turn out terrible. doing drugs won't make you cool or make art and music better. you usually have to have some talent in the first place to use drugs for creative purposes. do drugs, don't do drugs, whatever i'm just saying drugs won't cause you to feel something that wasn't already there. self reflection and understanding works much better i think.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Aug 11, 2010, 06:13 PM
that's not really my point. drugs don't make non-creative people creative and they certainly don't make for better creativity. i'm not ripping on drugs, god knows i've done my share and i'm in a life long love affair with pot, but i don't find i'm any more creative when i'm high. in fact i'm less creative and that initial inspiration leaves pretty fast. being creative is a lifestyle, not a side effect. drugs have had definite influences on things i create and things i love but 90% of the time things created while high have no purpose or direction and generally turn out terrible. doing drugs won't make you cool or make art and music better. you usually have to have some talent in the first place to use drugs for creative purposes. do drugs, don't do drugs, whatever i'm just saying drugs won't cause you to feel something that wasn't already there. self reflection and understanding works much better i think.
Definitely agree with you. Maybe the drugs Chino took allowed him to experience new feelings and thoughts that helped him lyrically and with the themes of White Pony. But I dont think it's like he cant write creatively or fantastical songs without drugs. He obviously has it in him. But it all depends on what individual fans think, regarding his lyrics.
Quote from: White Wrist on Aug 10, 2010, 10:38 AM
I was truly disappointed with the lyrics in SNW.
Maybe the same reason...or...other drugs.
they were pretty straightforward and straight from the soul. i know what u mean when u compare them to white pony or diamond eyes. i think there was some deadline as well to get the album finished.
I love the SNW lyrics. The first time I've ever felt the need to question ANY of Chino's lyrical input is on "CMND/CTRL" with that "King Kong/get some" terribleness. Other than that small snippet, I find Chino to be one the most amazing lyricists I've ever encountered. Even his simple lyrics are amazing because they're so insightful and unique.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Aug 11, 2010, 06:13 PM
that's not really my point. drugs don't make non-creative people creative and they certainly don't make for better creativity. i'm not ripping on drugs, god knows i've done my share and i'm in a life long love affair with pot, but i don't find i'm any more creative when i'm high. in fact i'm less creative and that initial inspiration leaves pretty fast. being creative is a lifestyle, not a side effect. drugs have had definite influences on things i create and things i love but 90% of the time things created while high have no purpose or direction and generally turn out terrible. doing drugs won't make you cool or make art and music better. you usually have to have some talent in the first place to use drugs for creative purposes. do drugs, don't do drugs, whatever i'm just saying drugs won't cause you to feel something that wasn't already there. self reflection and understanding works much better i think.
Very agreed. I think that's definitely a widely held misconception and it's more based on the fact that those in creative occupations just tend to do more drugs, so people associate the two. And then you have guys like Chino that would clearly even be creative without drugs saying that it probably was, so I think that kind of helps perpetuate that too.
But I hold the belief that personality-related phenomena that sound like side effects of drug use are often (not always) more related to the person's personality than to their drug use. I also base that on no science whatsoever, just personal empirical observation.
I find myself a creative person without drugs. I don't need drugs to be creative lol, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is... is that when I do these "drugs" I create something that when I look at in the morning or whenever, I am pleased at what I created because I wouldn't have thought of that if I were sober etc... You find smoking pot has the complete opposite effect for you where as it doesn't for me. We're both completely different people. That's okay.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Aug 11, 2010, 06:13 PM
that's not really my point. drugs don't make non-creative people creative and they certainly don't make for better creativity. i'm not ripping on drugs, god knows i've done my share and i'm in a life long love affair with pot, but i don't find i'm any more creative when i'm high. in fact i'm less creative and that initial inspiration leaves pretty fast. being creative is a lifestyle, not a side effect. drugs have had definite influences on things i create and things i love but 90% of the time things created while high have no purpose or direction and generally turn out terrible. doing drugs won't make you cool or make art and music better. you usually have to have some talent in the first place to use drugs for creative purposes. do drugs, don't do drugs, whatever i'm just saying drugs won't cause you to feel something that wasn't already there. self reflection and understanding works much better i think.
way to judge an entire population of seven billion people, based solely on how you are as a person
Quote from: Korea Rounding on Aug 12, 2010, 09:08 AMQuote from: sing blue silver on Aug 11, 2010, 06:13 PMthat's not really my point. drugs don't make non-creative people creative and they certainly don't make for better creativity. i'm not ripping on drugs, god knows i've done my share and i'm in a life long love affair with pot, but i don't find i'm any more creative when i'm high. in fact i'm less creative and that initial inspiration leaves pretty fast. being creative is a lifestyle, not a side effect. drugs have had definite influences on things i create and things i love but 90% of the time things created while high have no purpose or direction and generally turn out terrible. doing drugs won't make you cool or make art and music better. you usually have to have some talent in the first place to use drugs for creative purposes. do drugs, don't do drugs, whatever i'm just saying drugs won't cause you to feel something that wasn't already there. self reflection and understanding works much better i think.
way to judge an entire population of seven billion people, based solely on how you are as a person
yeah but the thing is, i'm the BEST person so everyone should be trying to get to my level of standards anyway. and i'm also judging this by all the terrible music i've heard kids on ecstasy and coke and acid pump out. i've never liked the whole "i'm a musician on drugs, look at me" thing. it seems a bit juvenile to think it really aids it in any way. and i judge the population of seven billion people on everything i've been exposed to in life. generally people using drugs as a creative crutch are far less intelligent and talented anyway and just need an edge to seem interesting. either way people need to grow the fuck up.
Quote from: Vesanic on Aug 12, 2010, 12:05 PM...
i don't think drugs directly equals great music. the spark has to already be there. if they're used as a guide and you don't rely on them for your inspiration you'll be a lot better off. look at john frusciante. i think he made his best stuff once he cleaned up. i'm not trying to say drugs won't help but they're not the only reason a person should feel creative and if they are you shouldn't be making music. a lot of the worst fucking music on the planet has been fuelled by drugs. 90% of the bands creating drugs induced music is just plain shit. some people make it work and generally they already have talent and don't just rely on drugs.
Nice read, thanks!
White Pony was always my favorite era. Good read.
Quotei don't think drugs directly equals great music. the spark has to already be there. if they're used as a guide and you don't rely on them for your inspiration you'll be a lot better off. look at john frusciante. i think he made his best stuff once he cleaned up. i'm not trying to say drugs won't help but they're not the only reason a person should feel creative and if they are you shouldn't be making music. a lot of the worst fucking music on the planet has been fuelled by drugs. 90% of the bands creating drugs induced music is just plain shit. some people make it work and generally they already have talent and don't just rely on drugs.
This is the kind of thing I've been thinking about occasionally, and I'm glad you said it because if I had attempted to it would have sounded at least half-retarded or biased or something..
Quote from: Nebontha on Aug 13, 2010, 11:28 PM
Quotei don't think drugs directly equals great music. the spark has to already be there. if they're used as a guide and you don't rely on them for your inspiration you'll be a lot better off. look at john frusciante. i think he made his best stuff once he cleaned up. i'm not trying to say drugs won't help but they're not the only reason a person should feel creative and if they are you shouldn't be making music. a lot of the worst fucking music on the planet has been fuelled by drugs. 90% of the bands creating drugs induced music is just plain shit. some people make it work and generally they already have talent and don't just rely on drugs.
This is the kind of thing I've been thinking about occasionally, and I'm glad you said it because if I had attempted to it would have sounded at least half-retarded or biased or something..
thanks. i'm not the best at getting my thoughts out in a coherent manner. i tend to ramble and still miss the point.
The real deal is only in certain people. Drugs just amplify it.
Quote from: nineteen on Aug 14, 2010, 07:35 PM
The real deal is only in certain people. Drugs CAN amplify it.
Fixed.
I want a beer.
i agree drugs CAN amplify creativity. i come up with my best shit when im stoned. all uppers and E made me want to do was play fast. but weed makes you feel what your writing its awesome. smoke up kids