my apologies if this was posted elsewhere but its new in my news feed and pretty damning...sounds like he wanted nothing to do with gore....
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deftones-guitarist-didnt-want-to-play-on-gore-album-it-wasnt-the-style-or-the-sound-i-was-hoping-we-would-take/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deftones-guitarist-didnt-want-to-play-on-gore-album-it-wasnt-the-style-or-the-sound-i-was-hoping-we-would-take/)
Nothing to worry about. He's not going to leave Deftones. He said as much in that ultimate guitar interview, despite whatever creative differences he may have with Chino, Abe, Frank and Sergio.
okay good, i think maybe i misinterpreted it then...still an interesting read though!
Quote from: iceeslunk on Feb 24, 2016, 01:25 AM
okay good, i think maybe i misinterpreted it then...still an interesting read though!
no, you didn't, those are pretty strange statements
Between this interview and triangles, I'm fairly concerned about what gore is going to sound like as a whole. Usually the first song is a banger, but triangles sounds more like a deep cut. What Steph says here is in line with what I hear in the song. Im hoping to be pleasantly surprised!
Quote from: cvthedrv on Feb 24, 2016, 02:15 AMno, you didn't, those are pretty strange statements
yeah i mean thats still what it kind of sounds like to me...something about not leaving the band, but that they started leaving him? very strange to me as well...
that would be heartbreaking if so, steph is the member we can always count on to bring the heaviness....
Quote from: Usurper on Feb 24, 2016, 02:39 AM
Between this interview and triangles, I'm fairly concerned about what gore is going to sound like as a whole. Usually the first song is a banger, but triangles sounds more like a deep cut. What Steph says here is in line with what I hear in the song. Im hoping to be pleasantly surprised!
We know that the album picks up at hearts/wires. From everything we've heard it's going to be a killer album. It just takes a few songs to get there.
i love how that shit gets people to talk
Take the question mark away. Done deal
Stephen Carpenter's High-Flying Birds
The Steph Carpenter Amalgamation (self titled of course)
or simply
Carpenter
(possible cover art being close up of him embracing guitar neck looking seriously at camera)
Opening spots for 5FDP "hey it's the Deftones guy", incorporating 15-minute djent solo
Start a SCA thread please I'm convinced
In the context of the original article, Steph made it clear he has no intention of leaving the band. I understand where he's coming from though, talking about the other guys "leaving him behind" but I think this interview would have been better presented in a video format. You can't read subtleties in people through text, and a lot of times Steph has a more lighthearted, joking attitude when it comes to interviews, and although I definitely think there was some real friction in the band during the Gore sessions, it's probably nothing to worry about. They haven't been an "aggressive" band since the self-titled album. You can always draw a line in their discography. Forgive me for pointing out the obvious here, but...
Demos > Adrenaline > ATF had sort of an oldschool hardcore & thrash influenced sound. White Pony > Deftones > Saturday Night Wrist began and continued Chino's presence as a primary songwriter, things got more consistently mid-tempo, and the more atmospheric sound really evolved during that whole 6 year period. Then there's Eros, which is our missing link in the chain. If we guessed right about Chino and Chi switching guitar and bass duties on more than just the one jam that has surfaced, it's possible this is/was the most inclusive record they'd done since White Pony. I'm not one to speculate too often, but I think that after patching things over after the rocky 3 year period between the 2 previous records, Eros would likely have been a more refined take on songwriting elements from throughout the band's previous two eras, with new sensibilities and direction. Then, Chi's accident happened, and I think it's pretty obvious as to why and how their sound changed again on DE and KNY. If we follow the trend I've outlined which, although risky, provides some clues as to what the future of the band will hold, Gore will be the conclusion of the sound they cultivated on Diamond Eyes. I have a good idea of what to expect from it already, but I'm most curious as to why the shelved songs were not included on the album.
At any rate, check Steph's demeanor during this interview. He's clearly still passionate about his instrument, and if he says he isn't going anywhere, I'm inclined to believe him. https://youtu.be/Rqj4vPDyVSI (https://youtu.be/Rqj4vPDyVSI)
It's just means steph has to step his game up..drop the pipe for awhile ;D
Quote from: Yoi Yes Kokan on Feb 24, 2016, 12:04 PM
i love how that shit gets people to talk
like how ppl write essays when they read a rumoured songtitle?
Quote from: the7thsaga on Feb 24, 2016, 02:56 PM
In the context of the original article, Steph made it clear he has no intention of leaving the band. I understand where he's coming from though, talking about the other guys "leaving him behind" but I think this interview would have been better presented in a video format. You can't read subtleties in people through text, and a lot of times Steph has a more lighthearted, joking attitude when it comes to interviews, and although I definitely think there was some real friction in the band during the Gore sessions, it's probably nothing to worry about. They haven't been an "aggressive" band since the self-titled album. You can always draw a line in their discography. Forgive me for pointing out the obvious here, but...
Demos > Adrenaline > ATF had sort of an oldschool hardcore & thrash influenced sound. White Pony > Deftones > Saturday Night Wrist began and continued Chino's presence as a primary songwriter, things got more consistently mid-tempo, and the more atmospheric sound really evolved during that whole 6 year period. Then there's Eros, which is our missing link in the chain. If we guessed right about Chino and Chi switching guitar and bass duties on more than just the one jam that has surfaced, it's possible this is/was the most inclusive record they'd done since White Pony. I'm not one to speculate too often, but I think that after patching things over after the rocky 3 year period between the 2 previous records, Eros would likely have been a more refined take on songwriting elements from throughout the band's previous two eras, with new sensibilities and direction. Then, Chi's accident happened, and I think it's pretty obvious as to why and how their sound changed again on DE and KNY. If we follow the trend I've outlined which, although risky, provides some clues as to what the future of the band will hold, Gore will be the conclusion of the sound they cultivated on Diamond Eyes. I have a good idea of what to expect from it already, but I'm most curious as to why the shelved songs were not included on the album.
At any rate, check Steph's demeanor during this interview. He's clearly still passionate about his instrument, and if he says he isn't going anywhere, I'm inclined to believe him. https://youtu.be/Rqj4vPDyVSI (https://youtu.be/Rqj4vPDyVSI)
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,20781.0.html (http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,20781.0.html)
Quote from: beaverwithfishyshoes on Feb 24, 2016, 05:14 PM
Quote from: Yoi Yes Kokan on Feb 24, 2016, 12:04 PM
i love how that shit gets people to talk
like how ppl write essays when they read a rumoured songtitle?
lol yes or make long winded paragraphs over their own misunderstanding.
To whom it may concern: Stef is the deftones, and you think he would leave his own band?
without Steph the Deftones will turn into Crosses or Palms...Chino will finally get his wish and turn them into a mellow band with no edge or balls
Quote from: jaypayton on Feb 25, 2016, 12:50 AM
without Steph the Deftones will turn into Crosses or Palms...Chino will finally get his wish and turn them into a mellow band with no edge or balls
You know that's his wish because?
Quote from: LG95 on Feb 25, 2016, 01:42 AM
Quote from: jaypayton on Feb 25, 2016, 12:50 AM
without Steph the Deftones will turn into Crosses or Palms...Chino will finally get his wish and turn them into a mellow band with no edge or balls
You know that's his wish because?
Chino vs. Deftones?
Cmon son
Quote from: TheyCallMeP on Feb 25, 2016, 01:51 AM
Quote from: LG95 on Feb 25, 2016, 01:42 AM
Quote from: jaypayton on Feb 25, 2016, 12:50 AM
without Steph the Deftones will turn into Crosses or Palms...Chino will finally get his wish and turn them into a mellow band with no edge or balls
You know that's his wish because?
Chino vs. Deftones?
Cmon son
it is the way it is, in the snw sessions, it was the same way, chino aparted off from the other members,
I really think jaypayton is a band member. He shits on everything. No sane person would always be on a board of a band he now hates.
His meth pipe and team sleep days, yeah. But I think that last statement was just a tiny bit exaggerated. There are other band members and KNY was reuniting experience by the sounds of it. I don't buy that's what Chino wants or that Stef would leave. But who knows I guess.
Lol
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Quote from: 77years on Feb 24, 2016, 01:32 PM
Take the question mark away. Done deal
Stephen Carpenter's High-Flying Birds
The Steph Carpenter Amalgamation (self titled of course)
or simply
Carpenter
(possible cover art being close up of him embracing guitar neck looking seriously at camera)
Opening spots for 5FDP "hey it's the Deftones guy", incorporating 15-minute djent solo
Start a SCA thread please I'm convinced
Fucking lol'd hard at this, good stuff
Also..
Didn't Steph, Abe, Frank and Sergio shack up for MONTHS to write music while Chino was out promoting Crosses two years ago? If what Steph is saying is true, then its his own fault for not influencing the music in the beginning when he had the chance. I highly doubt Chino rolled in, listened to whatever the band had laid down at that point and said "Nah yo, this gonna be our new wave album"
Half of the people on the internet claim Deftones haven't been heavy since S/T, while the other half complain that Steph is this major component of the band's sound. If that's the case, then step the fuck up and prove it. Don't just bitch about it the same way you do every album since WP about how the other four aren't jiving with you creatively.
Steph isn't going anywhere. What's he going to do, dust off Kush or spend another 10 years writing Sol Invictus demos, ffs?
^ Some very good points.
between the shitty new single, steph basically saying he hates the album and the band is "leaving him" and Chino namedropping justin beiber every chance he gets, i have very low expectations for this album....also think it will be the final album before Chino starts his Duran Duran/ Eurythmics influenced band
No one gives a fuck
Since when does anyone take what they say in interviews as gospel? You have to take everything they say with a giant grain of salt. Everybody blew their load when they talked about the album coming out in the fall and anyone with any common sense should have known that shit wasn't happening.
It's the same song and dance every album cycle. One member says something to the media and it spreads like wild fire and people start freaking out.
Quote from: jaypayton on Feb 25, 2016, 04:20 AM
between the shitty new single, steph basically saying he hates the album and the band is "leaving him" and Chino namedropping justin beiber every chance he gets, i have very low expectations for this album....also think it will be the final album before Chino starts his Duran Duran/ Eurythmics influenced band
My hope then is that they tour this album minimally or not at all then, so Chino can get to it already
All this speculation when Steph clearly said he isn't leaving. Christ.
Quote from: jaypayton on Feb 25, 2016, 04:20 AM
between the shitty new single, steph basically saying he hates the album and the band is "leaving him" and Chino namedropping justin beiber every chance he gets, i have very low expectations for this album....also think it will be the final album before Chino starts his Duran Duran/ Eurythmics influenced band
Steph said he wasn't excited about the music and it took him a while to get with it. It's not the same as saying he hates it. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised that someone whose existence on a forum is to whine about the band not catering to his personal musical tastes is bending words to suit his agenda.
Name-dropping Justin Bieber because he's being asked about music? Wow, what random thing to do, to bring up a music artist in a question relating to music! Man, Chino has been listening to all genres of music since forever, you honestly think because he listens to a crappy pop artist, his entire passion is dedicated to following suit?
Let's face it, dude, you haven't had anything but low expectations from the band ever since you joined the forum.
Wow, so much negativity from you folks. Saturday Night Wrist could've been their last album with all the tension and distance and arguments...but it wasn't, was it? Why is this time any different? Especially since this situation isn't necessarily the same as that. They've been talking about switching up the way they make music to suit their needs better and figuring out a productive way to do it. None of them seem unhappy except Stephen, and even then, he said he wasn't excited about it to begin with, which heavily implies that he no longer feels that way.
And I thought the Donald Trump topic was bad...
lol as the creator of this thread id like to state that it wasn't my intention to inspire such bickering, but i have to admit, it is a ton of fun to read :D
but everyone is entitled to their opinion! im one of the old school fans myself, my favs are adrenaline & ATF but i love every album right up to KNY and am way hyped for gore...i just hope that they never break up in any way shape or form, and its just that this particular interview has me rather concerned...
it would be funny if steph lurked on this forum and used a lot of the criticisms as ammo for when he went back and argued with the band.... "well pretty much everyone at SL agrees with me...even jaypayton thinks your soft shit is weak as hell you morrissey fuckboy" lolol...
(http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i60/2/9/24/frabz-Holy-shit-dude-6db695.jpg)
Quote from: Reichward on Feb 25, 2016, 05:34 PM
And I thought the Donald Trump topic was bad...
You can never expect less on this forum dude ::)
Quote from: iceeslunk on Feb 26, 2016, 03:26 AM
lol as the creator of this thread id like to state that it wasn't my intention to inspire such bickering, but i have to admit, it is a ton of fun to read :D
but everyone is entitled to their opinion! im one of the old school fans myself, my favs are adrenaline & ATF but i love every album right up to KNY and am way hyped for gore...i just hope that they never break up in any way shape or form, and its just that this particular interview has me rather concerned...
it would be funny if steph lurked on this forum and used a lot of the criticisms as ammo for when he went back and argued with the band.... "well pretty much everyone at SL agrees with me...even jaypayton thinks your soft shit is weak as hell you morrissey fuckboy" lolol...
White Pony is my favourite album of theirs. So it's not 'classic' Deftones but it is classic in the sense that it's kind of the diverse style that they've implemented on every album, in some way or another, since then. But I love all the albums for different reasons, for example I love the rawness and darkness of the self-titled album even though I think Koi No Yokan is a great album, too, despite their sounds being polar opposites. That's what I love about the band, I think. They always sound like Deftones, but they're not stuck to just one sound, and haven't for a very very long time.
I hope Steph doesn't leave. I don't think he will, but I hope they give him more say in what direction they go in next time, so he gets hyped up about the music from the beginning.
I say give Steph complete control over the next album and see what happens. I'm sure Chino can let go of the reigns for one album, right?
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Feb 26, 2016, 05:18 PM
I say give Steph complete control over the next album and see what happens. I'm sure Chino can let go of the reigns for one album, right?
Well, it shouldn't just be Chino or Steph, the others need more control, too. But yeah, if Steph took over most of the direction the album went in, it'd definitely be an interesting and fresh take on their music
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Feb 26, 2016, 05:18 PM
I say give Steph complete control over the next album and see what happens. I'm sure Chino can let go of the reigns for one album, right?
That's what Chino did with the Eros sessions: focused on vocals and lyrics completely, while Steph was in charge of the guitars. Chino stated right after KNY's release that the band would likely do one more album before they considered an official release of Eros. That album is six weeks away.
So figure out a way to combine the Eros stuff with the five songs left off Gore. That's 11 songs, as far as we know. Pretty much split down the middle.
I can't understand some of these people who claim Deftones haven't been heavy in ages. What the fuck were they hearing when songs like Royal, Diamond Eyes, Leathers and Guaze were playing?
Quote from: NYRexall on Feb 26, 2016, 09:51 PM
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Feb 26, 2016, 05:18 PM
I say give Steph complete control over the next album and see what happens. I'm sure Chino can let go of the reigns for one album, right?
That's what Chino did with the Eros sessions: focused on vocals and lyrics completely, while Steph was in charge of the guitars. Chino stated right after KNY's release that the band would likely do one more album before they considered an official release of Eros. That album is six weeks away.
So figure out a way to combine the Eros stuff with the five songs left off Gore. That's 11 songs, as far as we know. Pretty much split down the middle.
I can't understand some of these people who claim Deftones haven't been heavy in ages. What the fuck were they hearing when songs like Royal, Diamond Eyes, Leathers and Guaze were playing?
I recall Deftones mentioning they wrote 16 songs for the album however its very likely they only recorded 12 of them since Chino mentioned one song was cut from the final track list.
http://teamrock.com/news/2016-03-17/deftones-stef-buries-split-rumours-that-followed-tense-gore-sessions (http://teamrock.com/news/2016-03-17/deftones-stef-buries-split-rumours-that-followed-tense-gore-sessions)
@punkflop01: Thank you for posting that interview. Now I can sleep peacefully tonight. :-*
Stef is right, though... I am very emotionally attatched to my artists, so I've had dozens of times that an interview would get me down very badly. This happened especially when my English wasn't so good yet and I didn't understand half of what was said. I'm just relieved he's staying, as I have love him. <3 Social media and forums are cool, but they sure do ensue a lot of drama and arguetainment sometimes.