Happy 4th of july.
To all of the People from the UK, PWNED!!!!
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and for liam
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cmon how can you forget
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lol
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all you non Americans are just jealous that jimi never played your national anthem.
First, annual Wallingford waterfight which will go on for an hour or so.
Second, we make fireworks in Asa's basement.
Third, wo go to the dock where ET's boat is docked and blow shit up. We have about 1500 firecrackers and a bunch of other crap we probably won't use except to get the explosives out of.
nice. way to be patriotic my man
I don't understand patriotism, really, I don't.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 04, 2007, 06:28 PM
nice. way to be patriotic my man
Thanks, now I'm gonna have to go burn a flag to even out.
No but seriously, I only celebrate because explosions rule. Almost as much as my friend's hot sister in a white tanktop getting a bucket full of hose water dumped on her.
Quote from: rxqueen on Jul 04, 2007, 06:46 PM
I don't understand patriotism, really, I don't.
Neither. Its a round planet...ain't it?
;)
Almost everything that happens is a coincidence. Countries don't even exist. The way this world is ruled just sucks. Pride is confused with gratitude. There's nothing I can be 'proud' of than my own behaviour. And too many of these so called patriotists remind me of nazis.
Quote from: rxqueen on Jul 04, 2007, 08:28 PM
;)
Almost everything that happens is a coincidence. Countries don't even exist. The way this world is ruled just sucks. Pride is confused with gratitude. There's nothing I can be 'proud' of than my own behaviour. And too many of these so called patriotists remind me of nazis.
I think I've found a new heart!
Right on
Quote from: rxqueen on Jul 04, 2007, 08:28 PM
;)
Almost everything that happens is a coincidence. Countries don't even exist. The way this world is ruled just sucks. Pride is confused with gratitude. There's nothing I can be 'proud' of than my own behaviour. And too many of these so called patriotists remind me of nazis.
gotta agree with you on this one... well said.
STOP ruining my patriotic american topic emma. If you hate your country that is your business but I love mine
and fyi 95% of everything in here was supposed to be a joke
Quote from: rxqueen on Jul 04, 2007, 08:28 PM
;)
Almost everything that happens is a coincidence. Countries don't even exist. The way this world is ruled just sucks. Pride is confused with gratitude. There's nothing I can be 'proud' of than my own behaviour. And too many of these so called patriotists remind me of nazis.
wrong. Countries do exist. Thats why I am a citizen of the USA. Not the a citizen of emmas stupid fucking theory
Haha, I just noticed "For Liam"
Hahahahaha
lol I thought we could all have some good jokes and act like stuck up americans, but noooooooo
I don't get the joke...
Is it Jessica Simpson
its superman
No it's the guy with the text 'for liam' above marty. ^^ And Trey. No, countries were created, they don't exist. That's not my stupid theory, it's a fact. You know exactly what my point is and I know you were just joking. But what's a convo without me putting my opinion to it. Yeh, a trey monologue. :P
Quote from: rxqueen on Jul 04, 2007, 09:28 PM
No it's the guy with the text 'for liam' above marty. ^^ And Trey. No, countries were created, they don't exist. That's not my stupid theory, it's a fact. You know exactly what my point is and I know you were just joking. But what's a convo without me putting my opinion to it. Yeh, a trey monologue. :P
Ill monologue you all the way to independence day!..............yeah that was really bad.
It's ok Trey. The next tree I'll hug is for you.
Its ok emma, the next baby I kill is for you
oO I bet you feel bad about yourself when you go to sleep. Do you?
George Washington says " HEY BRITISH FUCKERS! PWNED ahahahahahahaha"
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Quote from: rxqueen on Jul 04, 2007, 09:45 PM
oO I bet you feel bad about yourself when you go to sleep. Do you?
never
That's a lie. Everyone feels bad about himself sometimes.
not me. That is a perfect example of you thinking you know everything because you only understand yourself
Oh come on Trey. NOBODY is perfect and everyone does mistakes. Don't act like you're superman. Cause Liam might fall in love with you.
lol nice
I make mistakes (rarely) but it happens. But I dont care about it. I dont get down on myself about it. I just move on. I remember my first EMT teacher told our class that were would have to become the type of people who could just make a decision at a moments notice. And stand by it and live with it for the rest of our lives. That was true when I was working in EMS and its true now that im in the military. thats just the kind of person I am. I rarely 2nd guess myself.
Yeh, but don't you have these moments when you think.. "Damn, I should have made it that and that way." I think it's only natural having these moments.
No, becaue thats when you start to get fucked up. Sometimes people die and there is nothing you can do about it. No use going back
Hmm of course, everyone knows it. But you need time to deal with new situations. It's not always that easy. Cause you can't decide what you feel, you just feel.
To be 100% honest I dont feel much when it comes to stuff like that
Oh oh.
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INDIANS SAY! "I WAS PWNED BY THE AMERICANS!!!!"
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HITTLER SAYS! "FUCK YOU AMERICA FOR PWNING ME!"
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AFRICANS SAY! "THANK YOU AMERICA FOR BRINGING US TO THIS GREAT COUNTRY AND MAKING US AFRICAN AMERICANS!!!!!"
God Bless America,
Land that I love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white with foam
God bless America, My home sweet home.
thank you america for importing japanese products.
Japan says! "HOLY SHIT WE GOT PWNED"
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I love this song
"HOLY SHIT! WE GOT PWNED!"
- america
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The taliban "CURSE THE WHITE DEVIL, WE GOT PWNED!"
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areas the taliban controlled before 911
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areas they control now. I know its hard to tell. But its every region highlighted in neon fucking pink.
Happy fourth Trey! I love my country...fuck what people say or think about it. If you don't or have never lived here, then I don't care to listen to your views on the US. But you should know we are a minority on this board and will get bashed....as usual.
I do agree with Emma, country is a fake notion, and patriotism is a shitty way to put pride in something...
There are tons of things to put pride in (even though pride can be quite a shitty feeling and can fuck so many things up), and that won't be a country.
George says you rock Trey
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Quote from: marty on Jul 05, 2007, 04:29 AM
George says you rock Trey
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Ha, bad ass, thanks man
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 05, 2007, 12:40 AM
Happy fourth Trey! I love my country...fuck what people say or think about it. If you don't or have never lived here, then I don't care to listen to your views on the US. But you should know we are a minority on this board and will get bashed....as usual.
thanks kelly. Its people like you and I that are why this country was even able to be born in the first place. Fuck all the stupid ignorant fuckers that forget what it takes to get where we are. I hope their houses light on fire and they wake up right before the flames take over their bodies and they burn to death with ever arrogant forgetful breath they have. Unappreciative fuckers
Quote from: Variable on Jul 05, 2007, 07:19 AMIts people like you and I that are why this country was even able to be born in the first place.
BS
Right, because the united states was born by pacifist that did not give two shits about anything but themselves and though patriotism was stupid. ::) you're french. Shut up. The only thing you guys ever did right was Napoleon. And you fucking exiled him. Hang your head and walk away.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 05, 2007, 07:33 AM
Right, because the united states was born by pacifist that did not give two shits about anything but themselves and though patriotism was stupid.
Do you know the meaning of obsolete ?
yup, whats your point?
I'm not talking about some hundreds of years ago when USA were founded, but about now...
That might appear as a surprise to you, but world did change slightly during that laps of time...
So you America foundation argument is completely irrelevant to our conversation...
um I was talking to kelly, and I was telling her that it was people like us that was the reason we were able to become a independent country in the first place. And then you said BS. So, the foundation of america seems pretty relevant to me.
The best thing about yesterday was that Alan Johnston was freed.
Anyway, god bless America:
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Obvious opportunity I know, but we can all take a joke right?
Happy belated 4th July, hope you enjoyed your turkey.
are we supposed to eat turkey on the 4th?
you dont have to like the american government or the choices that have been made over the past 6 years to love this country. I fucking hate the fact that weve been at war. regardless of how anyone feels about it, I fucking love my country. the US is the greatest fucking country in the history of the world. there's nothing wrong with taking pride in where you're from, where all your loved ones reside, and the place that made you everything that you are.
I drank my beers, smoked some nugs, ate hamburgers, lit dozens of mortars, and genuinely enjoyed being alive last night. thats what its all about. i hope every american on this board had a badass 4th, the best holiday of the year (next to new years).
edit: all the pwned shit is hilarious BTW
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 05, 2007, 12:40 AM
Happy fourth Trey! I love my country...fuck what people say or think about it. If you don't or have never lived here, then I don't care to listen to your views on the US. But you should know we are a minority on this board and will get bashed....as usual.
I wasn't talking about America. My statement was more general..
Quote from: BLUMPKIN on Jul 05, 2007, 06:23 PM
you dont have to like the american government or the choices that have been made over the past 6 years to love this country. I fucking hate the fact that weve been at war. regardless of how anyone feels about it, I fucking love my country. the US is the greatest fucking country in the history of the world. there's nothing wrong with taking pride in where you're from, where all your loved ones reside, and the place that made you everything that you are.
I drank my beers, smoked some nugs, ate hamburgers, lit dozens of mortars, and genuinely enjoyed being alive last night. thats what its all about. i hope every american on this board had a badass 4th, the best holiday of the year (next to new years).
edit: all the pwned shit is hilarious BTW
hey thanks man. Glad you had a good 4th.
Quote from: rxqueen on Jul 05, 2007, 06:29 PM
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 05, 2007, 12:40 AM
Happy fourth Trey! I love my country...fuck what people say or think about it. If you don't or have never lived here, then I don't care to listen to your views on the US. But you should know we are a minority on this board and will get bashed....as usual.
I wasn't talking about America. My statement was more general..
yeah it is just kind of the cool thing to do amongst teens and college kids around the US to be totally against everything your country is doing and make up crazy conspiracy theories and not be thankful for anything that you have. I think she might have been referring to that. Im not sure though
I'm not trying to be oh so cool or something, there's just too much shit going on so that I could be that satisfied and thankful.
QuoteINDIANS SAY! "I WAS PWNED BY THE AMERICANS!!!!"
what she means is probablly shit like the above sentence.
jüppi yeah genocide. everyone laugh...
You all should see some geography classes, or look for a world atlas... America is a whole continent, North-America is part of that continent, and Canada and the U.S.A. are there... So, I'm southamerican = I'm American too and I don't live in the U.S.A.
This shit always pisses me up :D... People think that America is only the U.S.A... that's not right.
Happy july 4th (it was yesterday :D) hehehe...
Take care, peace.
What? America is a whole continent? Since when?
Quote from: defskull on Jul 05, 2007, 11:29 PM
What? America is a whole continent? Since when?
yes man :)
I know u will be like that, specially you ;)
CONGRATS!
It's not a continent.
North America is a continent . America, no, not a continent. There is a south america too
Quote from: Frankz0r on Jul 05, 2007, 11:12 PM
You all should see some geography classes, or look for a world atlas... America is a whole continent, North-America is part of that continent, and Canada and the U.S.A. are there... So, I'm southamerican = I'm American too and I don't live in the U.S.A.
This shit always pisses me up :D... People think that America is only the U.S.A... that's not right.
Happy july 4th (it was yesterday :D) hehehe...
Take care, peace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continents (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continents)
Take your own advise before you correct me. Oh yeah and Mexico is part of the Continental north america too.
Damn I hate it when Trey is right
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI
I find it so ironic how i dislike America and most of the peoples views there.
But most of my musical idols and role models were all born there.. *sigh*
The only thing that makes it better is that all of them hate America themselves :)
Quote from: marty on Jul 06, 2007, 04:40 AM
Damn I hate it when Trey is right
yet it happens so often
Quote from: Mazzy on Jul 06, 2007, 05:57 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI
funny, but old. I remember watching that a long time ago. To be honest I did not know every question. But I knew most. As did Im sure most of the people he interviewed. That is a old trick. Interview 1000 people show the 5 idiots in the crowed. And even edit out the really stupid confusing question you asked to make it seem like you said something normal or edit their response to make it seem like they said something stupid. While most americans are more ignorant on current affairs than they should be. So is the rest of the world.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 06, 2007, 08:09 AM
I find it so ironic how i dislike America and most of the peoples views there.
But most of my musical idols and role models were all born there.. *sigh*
The only thing that makes it better is that all of them hate America themselves :)
seems like you know a lot about americans for not being one and probably never have been to the states. Can I ask exactly what "most of the peoples views" are here in the states? because I have no fucking clue. And also, how exactly do we hate ourselves?
Quote from: Mazzy on Jul 06, 2007, 05:57 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php?topic=11278.0
and all my responses are in there to that fucking video. And like I said,I'd LOVE for an American to come over there and ask random people on the street's questions and see how fucking stupid they look too.
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 06, 2007, 04:11 PM
Quote from: Mazzy on Jul 06, 2007, 05:57 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php?topic=11278.0
and all my responses are in there to that fucking video. And like I said,I'd LOVE for an American to come over there and ask random people on the street's questions and see how fucking stupid they look too.
well that guy fucked up by saying at the beginning that america run the world. So no matter how dumb he made us look its like "ha ha our dumbasses run the world." pwn
LOL!
don't fuck with us. we will nuke your country.
exactly and the soviet union tried to out do us on that and you know what happened?
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Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev says!!!WE GOT PWNED!!!!!!
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REGAN SAYS!!! " WE PWNED THE SHIT OUT OF THOSE STUPID RUSSIANS AND THEIR STUPID HATS!"
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 06, 2007, 04:11 PM
Quote from: Mazzy on Jul 06, 2007, 05:57 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php?topic=11278.0
and all my responses are in there to that fucking video. And like I said,I'd LOVE for an American to come over there and ask random people on the street's questions and see how fucking stupid they look too.
come on, everyone says that people take this board too seriously and here's a prime example.
Still, fucking dumbasses lol.
If I'd talk like that about my country people would call me nazi. And not because I'm german, no, because it's totally exaggerated . I don't know any other nation that is so proud of its country. I'm sure every country has beautiful sides and cool places and characteristics, no need to put 'my' country above others. Cause that's what parts patriotism from national socialism, thinking the own country is sooo much better than any others.
You can't judge a country based on freaking YouTube video. I'm an American and have lived in Great Britan and France, people were nice as hell to me when they thought I was British. As soon as they find out you're American, they're assholes. And it's all because the actions of a few moron's here in American ruin it for the majority of the good people. As well as the actions of governments affect other nation's citizens opinions of the people governed under that government. For example, I don't think all Canadian's are cowards because their country doesn't supply many soldier's in time of war, on the contrary, a large portion of French Foreign Legion are Canadian and they will kick near anyone's ass.
People are not just the country they are from. FFS.
Sure, USA is great, but I really enjoyed being in Great Britan, France, and Okinawa. Everywhere has it's own charms and problems, like rxqueen said.
Sounds great man, what languages do you speak?
Quote from: Law on Jul 06, 2007, 06:37 PM
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 06, 2007, 04:11 PM
Quote from: Mazzy on Jul 06, 2007, 05:57 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php?topic=11278.0
and all my responses are in there to that fucking video. And like I said,I'd LOVE for an American to come over there and ask random people on the street's questions and see how fucking stupid they look too.
come on, everyone says that people take this board too seriously and here's a prime example.
Still, fucking dumbasses lol.
i know. i didn't think they'd take it so seriously. hell, i didn't even know anybody in the states had heard of chaser's war on everything that's why i didn't know that video was already posted. they do a segment on these so called stupid american's every two weeks or so. there's been funnier segments than that video. they did one that just depressed the shit out of me and it was about 9/11. i don't know if anyone has seen it.
i know a lot of crap about america that americans don't know themselves [not bragging or anything] and i have seen that first hand in the past few weeks because i have met so many people. the sad thing is that americans have a reputation for being 'stupid' regardless of whether that is true or not. i guess people, especially american tourists IN australia, just like to take the piss out of that. i'm not stating that as my opinion, i'm just saying the overall response i get from people.
Quote from: ugh_doom on Jul 06, 2007, 07:05 PM
You can't judge a country based on freaking YouTube video. I'm an American and have lived in Great Britan and France, people were nice as hell to me when they thought I was British. As soon as they find out you're American, they're assholes. And it's all because the actions of a few moron's here in American ruin it for the majority of the good people. As well as the actions of governments affect other nation's citizens opinions of the people governed under that government. For example, I don't think all Canadian's are cowards because their country doesn't supply many soldier's in time of war, on the contrary, a large portion of French Foreign Legion are Canadian and they will kick near anyone's ass.
People are not just the country they are from. FFS.
Sure, USA is great, but I really enjoyed being in Great Britan, France, and Okinawa. Everywhere has it's own charms and problems, like rxqueen said.
where did you live in Okinawa? I guess that is my current home. I am stationed there. but I have been away for a few months
Quote from: rxqueen on Jul 06, 2007, 06:48 PM
If I'd talk like that about my country people would call me nazi. And not because I'm german, no, because it's totally exaggerated . I don't know any other nation that is so proud of its country. I'm sure every country has beautiful sides and cool places and characteristics, no need to put 'my' country above others. Cause that's what parts patriotism from national socialism, thinking the own country is sooo much better than any others.
If anyone says that A person who is proud of being German is a Nazi then they have no idea what they are talking about and you and I both know that is a fact. That is just like someone calling me racist because I am proud to be white. Being proud of your heritage simply means that you are proud of who you are. There is nothing wrong with that at all. And being patriotic is not necessarily saying that your country is better than anyone else. It is just being proud of your homeland. And in some ways being thankful for what your country has given you. And believe me emma. Germany has given you A LOT, as the US has given me A LOT. Im fucking proud just to have German heritage. Most of my family come to the states from Germany and a small bit from Britain. And yes, I am proud of that. Is there something wrong with that?
Why are you proud of that? I could understand if you said you're thankful or glad or happy or whatever. But proud? I'm only proud of what I've achieved by myself. Not what's there anyways and like I said it's a coincidence that I live where I live. No, I really can't say I'm 'proud'.
you do realize that I am in the military right?
I thought marines. But what are you trying to tell me?
My entire job is to fight for my country and its way of life. Can you not see why I would have a bit of pride in it?
Of course you can be proud of your job, if you do it well. I'm proud of how I do my work, too. But that has nothing to do with where I was born into.
Don't get me wrong Trey. I love my homeland Poland (told you I'm going for one week soon, can't wait, it smells so different there..) but I wouldn't call myself proud. Glad strikes it better.
ok so I have written this huge ass long explanation of my thoughts twice now. and twice my Internet has frozen on me and i had to start again. So I am really frustrated right now and would really like to get all of my thoughts out at once so maybe you could see how I feel when it is whole. Its just taking a really long time. So yeah I gota chill for a few min and then i will try again.
but to that last comment. My job and country are extremely closely related. And I fight for my COUNTRY, not my job. Get it?
Yeh, but you're proud because you do your JOB very well. I mean.. would you still be proud if you wouldn't give all you can. Know what I mean?
I tell you what, I work at a shitty department store. We're huge, we have tons of branches in germany. But there's A LOT of shit going wrong. And I'm still hella proud of what I do. Because I know I give my best and my customers are damn satisfied. At a sidenote: One woman once was very happy with how I treated her, she wrote a letter to our company management cause I was so nice and patient. She said it reminded her of how you get treated in the states when you buy something.
So yeh, hope you get what my point is. Your just a piece of a puzzle. And you can be brilliant, although the puzzle in his whole isn't. ;)
I know what you mean. I have had a few really shitty jobs that I was very proud of. I do everything to the best of my abilities and take pride in that.
This was not as good and passionate as the original. But fuck it, it gets the point across
ok so I don't fell that I have really contributed anything too intelligent or constructive to this conversation yet. except of course my drunken rants with Tarkil. So let me try to explain my thoughts on Patriotism.
After 911 something happened in the US. We were attacked and we felt vulnerable. But the people of America did something. Blood banks were full, charity donations were at an all time high, the military had no recruiting problems, and the American flag was being flown on ever car Antenna, every school age kids backpack, and every Harley jacket in the country. And for once fire fighters, police (yes even police) and the military was getting the respect they deserve. People were standing together. We had a common enemy. Any single one of those terrorist would have gladly killed any single one of us given the opportunity. We felt vulnerable and scared. But people stood together. We let each other know that we were not alone and that we would stand tall and with a stiff upper lip with each other. We would fight for our way of life and for each other. And that was a beautiful thing. We gave each other comfort and strength when we needed that. And there is not a god dam thing wrong with that. And if none of you have experience something like that then I am sorry. But once again, refer to my quote.
So yes I am proud of my country and its history and heritage. I love American history. I love the way our country was founded and how influential it has been over the years. I love the people, ideas, inventions and innovations America has provided to the world. And I am proud that I share the same heritage and ideals with these people. I am proud to be able to carry the same name as these people and carry on the heritage. I am so proud of American history the same as I am fascinated with Alexander the Great, or ancient Rome, or the British empire, Or France (god help me) Around Louis the 14th and Napoleon, Ancient China, The Soviet Union, The Samurai, Mujahideen, Sparta, The Vikings....ect ect. I am Fascinated with these historic times and people. But they are not my own. So i do not take pride in them like I do my own countries heritage. And I would not call any of you stupid for being proud of anything your country has accomplished. because in some way or another it has influenced where you are today.
I for one and grateful for everything the US has given me. I will never bitch that I am not getting something I deserve. Unless of course some sort of civil liberty of mine is seriously being violated. But I don't see that happening. But pretty much I was born into a world of wealth and opportunity. As were most of you who were born into the 1st world. Compared to some African, South American, Middle eastern, or Asian countries ( note that I said SOME, I know they are not all bad off) I have it really good. And I did nothing to earn this. Nothing at all, it was just given to me. Built by the sweat and blood of men and women who came before me to build this country. And I am proud of them and their accomplishments and the fact they called themselves Americans, the same as me. So yes, I am grateful because I realize that I am privileged and that I did nothing to deserve it and that it could be so so much worse. So call me stupid or old fashioned for being proud of my nation and what it provides for me. But I call you ungrateful, short sighted , and forgetful.
One of the most fucked up things about all of this is that I could get into a sports conversation on here maybe about soccer or something. and you would all come out of your shells like crazy showing pride for your teams and talking shit and being passionate about the sport. And doubt too many people would say anything negative about it. But then its considered foolish and obsolete to be proud of your nation? wow. The day that I take pride in a stupid pointless game that I am not even partaking in over a country who provides for me and will influence history.....well, that day will just never come. I really think some of you should re evaluate your priorities and morals in life. And get off of the "too cool for government and conservatism" band wagon. Its really idiotic.
I've experienced this 'fighting for each other' thing a few years ago. I was in Poland when the great flood came across the country. It was just.. scary and huuuuuge. We were directly in it. My grandparents were lucky, our village lays a little bit higher, so we just had our basement full of water. But some friends of us have a huge farm, we had to evacuate all the animals with such a boat (it was called amphibian, it could drive and swim). When I see the videos nowadays I'm just glad everyone of us survived.
And I'm not ungrateful or something Trey. I just see the two sides of the coin. Of course there are things I'm thankful for, I'm just not proud about them because I did nothing to effect them. Like you said.. they're given to me. And speaking of the past of my country.. if it was about that I'd have to hang my head in shame. But I wasn't even involved so I just do my best. I'll act the way I think is right so that at the end of the day I can look into the mirror with a good conscience.
Quote from: rxqueen on Jul 06, 2007, 10:32 PM
I've experienced this 'fighting for each other' thing a few years ago. I was in Poland when the great flood came across the country. It was just.. scary and huuuuuge. We were directly in it. My grandparents were lucky, our village lays a little bit higher, so we just had our basement full of water. But some friends of us have a huge farm, we had to evacuate all the animals with such a boat (it was called amphibian, it could drive and swim). When I see the videos nowadays I'm just glad everyone of us survived.
And I'm not ungrateful or something Trey. I just see the two sides of the coin. Of course there are things I'm thankful for, I'm just not proud about them because I did nothing to effect them. Like you said.. they're given to me. And speaking of the past of my country.. if it was about that I'd have to hang my head in shame. But I wasn't even involved so I just do my best. I'll act the way I think is right so that at the end of the day I can look into the mirror with a good conscience.
Hitler is not the only history of Germany. And even then, it was amazing what he was able to accomplish with what little he had. I would be proud to live in Germany. And I guess one of my points of why I am proud is that I will, very soon, be a part of effecting my country and its history. And hopefully Afghanistans for the better. But I also think pride comes from the fact that your blood took part in these acts. It was all of our familys who made this history after all.
what was the other side to the coin on the patriotism thing again?
You're not serious about the Hilter comment aren't you? He wasn't even german, there you go.
And I'm not talking about the other side of coin of patriotism, I'm talking about what goes wrong in this country.
I know all about Hitler my dear. But I am serious. he was amazing. I mean im not advocating what he did. But it is amazing what he was able to accomplish.
But you said you saw the other side of patriotism. and i was just curious as to what that is because I dont think I quite understand that side of the spectrum yet.
and what country is "this" Germany or the US?
I obviously mean the country I live in.
And I can't believe you just said Hitler was amazing. ... These mindless sheep let him get so far. It wasn't his actions, he was just a sick bastard with cruel inhuman intents.
Oh and the other side of patriotism is that some people obviously can't differ it from national socialism. Or they just can't put borders. My country has seen what happens if you don't question authority.
No you really have to take what im saying in proper context. I mean yes genocide is horrible and world domination is primitive and the massive amount of pointless lives lost was horrible. But think about what he did
after WW1 Germany was broke. They had to pay retributions for the war they lost and their military was disarmed. I mean I wont get too far into how crippled Germany was because im sure you know and those are the high points. But then he was able to take that and start all over and create a fighting force that too all of the western world (and then some) to defeat. Outnumbered and under supplied. He did amazing things from a political and military stand point. I mean you call them mindless sheep but they were in no way that. He was just extremely elegant and articulate in his speech. It might have been politics and government at its worst. But he pulled it off. Its amazing. I mean I don't think I could ever do that. and I don't know of too many other historical figures that could. That's what makes it so amazing. he did something HUGE that very few people who have ever lived could ever dream to do. He will forever been one of the most influential figures in history. I say its pretty amazing.
Quote from: Law on Jul 06, 2007, 06:37 PM
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 06, 2007, 04:11 PM
Quote from: Mazzy on Jul 06, 2007, 05:57 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php?topic=11278.0
and all my responses are in there to that fucking video. And like I said,I'd LOVE for an American to come over there and ask random people on the street's questions and see how fucking stupid they look too.
come on, everyone says that people take this board too seriously and here's a prime example.
Still, fucking dumbasses lol.
And you wonder why....
when someone seriously thinks thats how your country is.......yeah, you just might seriously tell them its not really like that
I do agree with Emma there... I'm completely grateful and happy about what my country gave me.
But I don't take any pride any that. IMO, I can only have pride in realizations I have accomplished. Not on what other people did for me. I don't want to have other people responsible for what's happening to me, so the only kind of pride I want to have is the one in my actions.
But other people are responsible for what happens to you
Nope... They are responsible for giving me the background in where I was able to develop myself... Everything that happened after was on my behalf, and I made happen what I have now.
Of course, this was made easier by the place I was born in, my family, etc. but in the end, everything that happened to me was my choices and my responsibility. Therefore, this is where I can have pride from.
Still just my opnion. I'm not stating it to convince you, just to let you know of it...
You dont control everything though
we should nuke tarkil's country. that'll show his ass some control.
werd
Quote from: Variable on Jul 07, 2007, 05:06 AM
You dont control everything though
Of course it's impossible... But I tend to control my life, and live it as I want, never blaming anyone for my mistakes on the one hand, but seeing myself as the only / main responsible for my achievements too... Thus the pride in me and not in an "abstract" notion (see the " here...) as a nation.
I wish more people tried to take responsibility for their own actions.
But I still believe you would not see a nation as so abstract if you ever needed it. IE a international conflict amongst your travels or a war or some sort of social program in a bad time or old age or something.
a country is just a place i live in. it's all good.
Oh shit, I just got owned???
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 06, 2007, 04:11 PM
Quote from: Mazzy on Jul 06, 2007, 05:57 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php?topic=11278.0
and all my responses are in there to that fucking video. And like I said,I'd LOVE for an American to come over there and ask random people on the street's questions and see how fucking stupid they look too.
No offence Kelly but here in the U.K, You'll find people are pretty clued up.
Unless they went and asked a bunch of 12 years olds in a park.
No liam, just no. If you really think thats how americans are then you are a lot more stupid than I thought. And if you think there are not idiots walking around the streets of the UK, stupid.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 07, 2007, 01:15 PM
No liam, just no. If you really think thats how americans are then you are a lot more stupid than I thought. And if you think there are not idiots walking around the streets of the UK, stupid.
My problem is that if you take pride in all the great accomplishments of your country you must also acknowledge all the terrible things your country has done. Something most people aren't too keen on doing.
That's why I don't think I can ever have "pride in my country". Whenever I try to think of something great the USA has done I immediately remember something shitty as well.
We put a man on the moon...oh yeah, and we destroyed thousands of Native Americans lives in the name of Manifest Destiny.
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 06, 2007, 11:00 PM
Quote from: Law on Jul 06, 2007, 06:37 PM
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 06, 2007, 04:11 PM
Quote from: Mazzy on Jul 06, 2007, 05:57 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php?topic=11278.0
and all my responses are in there to that fucking video. And like I said,I'd LOVE for an American to come over there and ask random people on the street's questions and see how fucking stupid they look too.
come on, everyone says that people take this board too seriously and here's a prime example.
Still, fucking dumbasses lol.
And you wonder why....
well yes I do actually, funny video showing how awesome America is.
(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/nov2004/1/0/000ADF94-E181-1189-B6E080BFB6FA0000.jpg)
Aww, look at all the American users of the board get stressy, Truth hurts though..
http://www.blogthings.com/areyouadumbamericanquiz/
Post your results and don't cheat ;)
http://hnazarian.blogspot.com/2007/06/dumb-america.html
Quote from: rainnyx4 on Jul 07, 2007, 04:13 PM
My problem is that if you take pride in all the great accomplishments of your country you must also acknowledge all the terrible things your country has done. Something most people aren't too keen on doing.
That's why I don't think I can ever have "pride in my country". Whenever I try to think of something great the USA has done I immediately remember something shitty as well.
We put a man on the moon...oh yeah, and we destroyed thousands of Native Americans lives in the name of Manifest Destiny.
I totally acknowledge all the shit we have done. But its all part of the story, all a means to an end. At the end of the day this country is still pretty awesome and I am glad to have lived here.
I suppose pride in onces country can also be the acknowledgement that your nation is greater than yourself. The collective minds ,bodies,wealth , power and influence of your nation will more than likely out do anything you can ever accomplish. So you can be proud of that and want to serve your nation and be proud to be a part of it.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 07, 2007, 06:13 PM
(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/nov2004/1/0/000ADF94-E181-1189-B6E080BFB6FA0000.jpg)
Aww, look at all the American users of the board get stressy, Truth hurts though..
no, not really. We just kind of think you are an idiot if you really believe people in the UK are so much smarter. and if you want to use bush as an example you should make fun of yourself because your president followed him on his every move.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 07, 2007, 06:23 PM
Quote from: rainnyx4 on Jul 07, 2007, 04:13 PM
My problem is that if you take pride in all the great accomplishments of your country you must also acknowledge all the terrible things your country has done. Something most people aren't too keen on doing.
That's why I don't think I can ever have "pride in my country". Whenever I try to think of something great the USA has done I immediately remember something shitty as well.
We put a man on the moon...oh yeah, and we destroyed thousands of Native Americans lives in the name of Manifest Destiny.
I totally acknowledge all the shit we have done. But its all part of the story, all a means to an end. At the end of the day this country is still pretty awesome and I am glad to have lived here.
I suppose pride in onces country can also be the acknowledgement that your nation is greater than yourself. The collective minds ,bodies,wealth , power and influence of your nation will more than likely out do anything you can ever accomplish. So you can be proud of that and want to serve your nation and be proud to be a part of it.
I have a lot of problems with what you just said. But I'm only going to say the most important thing right now because I have to leave.
The government exists to serve the people. Not the other way around.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 06, 2007, 08:09 AM
I find it so ironic how i dislike America and most of the peoples views there.
But most of my musical idols and role models were all born there.. *sigh*
The only thing that makes it better is that all of them hate America themselves :)
that is so ignorant and whatever the adjective form of douchebag is. yeah, british people all have bad teeth, except of course eric clapton, jimmy page and all of those role models, and they all hate people who didn't get braces. there's people with extremist views everywhere, you fucking moron. they're just the ones who get their views publicized because they're so crazy about them. you're seriously just following the european american-hating fad, you should probably go buy some pokemon cards and some beanie babies to go with it.
@ emma and variable: u both got different definitions of "pride" and that is y your discussion doesnt make sense.
if you discuss any topic make sure u use the same words with the same meaning.
i think emma is using the right one so you cant be proud of what others did per definitionem.
variable you talked about the feeling that was in america after 911. but creating a stronger group by helping each other etc. does not have to be good. because at the same time you identified yourself with the american group u just out-border others from this group and devlop possibilities to harm then.
then: hitler and goebbels both weren great speakers. in contrary their speeches were just rat fucking dumb as you would recognize if you read them. just the use of words, the lies and the fact they often enough talked in front of guests that were invited to the speeches and didnt need to be convinced of anything since they already have been nazis.
Quote from: Nailec on Jul 07, 2007, 07:10 PM
then: hitler and goebbels both weren great speakers. in contrary their speeches were just rat fucking dumb as you would recognize if you read them. just the use of words, the lies and the fact they often enough talked in front of guests that were invited to the speeches and didnt need to be convinced of anything since they already have been nazis.
Righto! Dankeschön. And they were more loud than clever speaking.
lmfao alvarezbassist17
You're such an idiot man, Don't believe everything you read, It'll turn you blind.
I'm just winding you all up, because i already know America takes huge offence about anyone outside of their stupid fuckin' country taking the mick out of them, Since they believe that they're SOOO special.
Every American i've met in the flesh has been awesome, Just like every Polish, Australian, South African, French, Canadian etc.
It's the select few, Like Kelly that drive me up the wall, Because she really believes America is the greatest country on Earth, When clearly in terms of its values, It is the total opposite.
No country, Nation or whatever is the 'greatest' We're all fuckin' human and happen to live on the same planet.
Hell i am really tempted to get my camera and go around asking loads of random people in London and North of England stupid, common fuckin' questions.. just to show you people aren't as stupid here.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 07, 2007, 07:22 PM
I'm just winding you all up, because i already know America takes huge offence about anyone outside of their stupid fuckin' country taking the mick out of them, Since they believe that they're SOOO special.
Every American i've met in the flesh has been awesome, Just like every Polish, Australian, South African, French, Canadian etc.
It's the select few, Like Kelly that drive me up the wall, Because she really believes America is the greatest country on Earth, When clearly in terms of its values, It is the total opposite.
No country, Nation or whatever is the 'greatest' We're all fuckin' human and happen to live on the same planet.
Hell i am really tempted to get my camera and go around asking loads of random people in London and North of England stupid, common fuckin' questions.. just to show you people aren't as stupid here.
i agree with all you said, liam. my cousins in california raised this argument with me about america being the greatest country in the world and it was only when i disagreed that they completely attacked me. they kept talking about america having the best education system and it being the best country because they have democracy, freedom of speech, the best standard of living etc. they started to get so defensive when i started disputing that. then they started the australia bashing, which annoyed me because i hadn't even mentioned australia. i disagreed of course because i don't believe that a best country exists. everything they were saying had this undertone to it. and they're so fucking educated. that's what shit me so bad. i thought they'd know better.
oh, and they got so pissed when i said that canada seemed nicer than america, which made them start insulting canadians and calling them stupid. obviously, i did not get along with my cousins in california. i had never had a more depressing two weeks in my life than i did there. once i left california i started appreciating it a lot more.
Quote from: Mazzy on Jul 07, 2007, 09:12 PM
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 07, 2007, 07:22 PM
I'm just winding you all up, because i already know America takes huge offence about anyone outside of their stupid fuckin' country taking the mick out of them, Since they believe that they're SOOO special.
Every American i've met in the flesh has been awesome, Just like every Polish, Australian, South African, French, Canadian etc.
It's the select few, Like Kelly that drive me up the wall, Because she really believes America is the greatest country on Earth, When clearly in terms of its values, It is the total opposite.
No country, Nation or whatever is the 'greatest' We're all fuckin' human and happen to live on the same planet.
Hell i am really tempted to get my camera and go around asking loads of random people in London and North of England stupid, common fuckin' questions.. just to show you people aren't as stupid here.
i agree with all you said, liam. my cousins in california raised this argument with me about america being the greatest country in the world and it was only when i disagreed that they completely attacked me. they kept talking about america having the best education system and it being the best country because they have democracy, freedom of speech, the best standard of living etc. they started to get so defensive when i started disputing that. then they started the australia bashing, which annoyed me because i hadn't even mentioned australia. i disagreed of course because i don't believe that a best country exists. everything they were saying had this undertone to it. and they're so fucking educated. that's what shit me so bad. i thought they'd know better.
oh, and they got so pissed when i said that canada seemed nicer than america, which made them start insulting canadians and calling them stupid. obviously, i did not get along with my cousins in california. i had never had a more depressing two weeks in my life than i did there. once i left california i started appreciating it a lot more.
Thank you Mazzy, Atleast i'm not alone on that one.
And i agree with you, Canada is a beautiful country and does seem alot nicer than America. (for the record, I have been if anyone starts mouthing off on that one)
I believe that is why Canadians get huge flak from Americans, Simply because they're jealous that Canada really does have better standards and aren't brainwashed by all this patriotic babble.
i love america and i can't wait to study there in a couple of years.
i won't judge an entire country, just because i don't agree with their government and politics.
americans are the nicest people i've ever met. danish people are so fucking rude and judgemental.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 07, 2007, 07:22 PM
lmfao alvarezbassist17
You're such an idiot man, Don't believe everything you read, It'll turn you blind.
I'm just winding you all up, because i already know America takes huge offence about anyone outside of their stupid fuckin' country taking the mick out of them, Since they believe that they're SOOO special.
Every American i've met in the flesh has been awesome, Just like every Polish, Australian, South African, French, Canadian etc.
It's the select few, Like Kelly that drive me up the wall, Because she really believes America is the greatest country on Earth, When clearly in terms of its values, It is the total opposite.
No country, Nation or whatever is the 'greatest' We're all fuckin' human and happen to live on the same planet.
Hell i am really tempted to get my camera and go around asking loads of random people in London and North of England stupid, common fuckin' questions.. just to show you people aren't as stupid here.
Now Now Liam...I've never said America is the best country,and I don't believe it to be. But I live here,and I love it here and I just take ffense when people assuma all Americans are retards. That is all. YOu know you love me. ;)
There are stupid and smart people in every country in the world... there's just no point in judging people based on few people whose actions you've seen. yes, i mean politicians. but we all know politicians aren't the best way of representing a country... :P
Nobody said all Americans are retarted and I guess that wasn't anybody's point here Kelly. And yeh true, we love ya.
@Theis: Really? Germany is a fucking cold country, too. That's why I can't wait to visit my homeland after such a long time. The people there are so much friendlier and just nice.
This is why i hate getting into a debate about it, Cause yes Kelly, I love you and i'm sure i'd love alot of Americans too.
Just the strongly patriotic ones drive me insane, kinda like JuicyFruit and her sexism bullshit and Trey with his constant 'know it all' attitude, There will always be some that piss me off.. sometimes you just can't help but throw people from a certain background, culture, country etc. into a category.
Quote from: Nailec on Jul 07, 2007, 07:10 PM
@ emma and variable: u both got different definitions of "pride" and that is y your discussion doesnt make sense.
if you discuss any topic make sure u use the same words with the same meaning.
i think emma is using the right one so you cant be proud of what others did per definitionem.
variable you talked about the feeling that was in america after 911. but creating a stronger group by helping each other etc. does not have to be good. because at the same time you identified yourself with the american group u just out-border others from this group and devlop possibilities to harm then.
then: hitler and goebbels both weren great speakers. in contrary their speeches were just rat fucking dumb as you would recognize if you read them. just the use of words, the lies and the fact they often enough talked in front of guests that were invited to the speeches and didnt need to be convinced of anything since they already have been nazis.
ummmm maybe before you suggest to me and emma that we get our shit straight you should get yours straight. I know exactly what I am talking about and I think emma is smart enough to figure it out too. I do believe the word PATRIOTISM was what sparked this, not pride.
and I dont give a fuck how rat dumb Hitler's speeches were, the man was amazing. Your ass could not do what he did.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 07, 2007, 09:30 PM
Quote from: Mazzy on Jul 07, 2007, 09:12 PM
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 07, 2007, 07:22 PM
I'm just winding you all up, because i already know America takes huge offence about anyone outside of their stupid fuckin' country taking the mick out of them, Since they believe that they're SOOO special.
Every American i've met in the flesh has been awesome, Just like every Polish, Australian, South African, French, Canadian etc.
It's the select few, Like Kelly that drive me up the wall, Because she really believes America is the greatest country on Earth, When clearly in terms of its values, It is the total opposite.
No country, Nation or whatever is the 'greatest' We're all fuckin' human and happen to live on the same planet.
Hell i am really tempted to get my camera and go around asking loads of random people in London and North of England stupid, common fuckin' questions.. just to show you people aren't as stupid here.
i agree with all you said, liam. my cousins in california raised this argument with me about america being the greatest country in the world and it was only when i disagreed that they completely attacked me. they kept talking about america having the best education system and it being the best country because they have democracy, freedom of speech, the best standard of living etc. they started to get so defensive when i started disputing that. then they started the australia bashing, which annoyed me because i hadn't even mentioned australia. i disagreed of course because i don't believe that a best country exists. everything they were saying had this undertone to it. and they're so fucking educated. that's what shit me so bad. i thought they'd know better.
oh, and they got so pissed when i said that canada seemed nicer than america, which made them start insulting canadians and calling them stupid. obviously, i did not get along with my cousins in california. i had never had a more depressing two weeks in my life than i did there. once i left california i started appreciating it a lot more.
Thank you Mazzy, Atleast i'm not alone on that one.
And i agree with you, Canada is a beautiful country and does seem alot nicer than America. (for the record, I have been if anyone starts mouthing off on that one)
I believe that is why Canadians get huge flak from Americans, Simply because they're jealous that Canada really does have better standards and aren't brainwashed by all this patriotic babble.
@ both of you. The US is a pretty wonderful place to live. And I mean all bull shit aside, as far as standard of living goes. Right now its pretty much the gold standard. So fuck off about Americans thinking they are the best and maybe not knowing so much about the outside world. It comes down to necessity. Americans have such wonderful lives in their own country that they really dont have to look out to any other countries the same as others do. And im not saying its right. In fact ignorance in America drives me up the wall because so many people have no idea what the fuck is going on. But at least im not ignorant enough to hold it against them when I know they are just products of the world they live in. you would more than likely be the same in their shoes. And its not all americans. Obviously, a lot of us do know. Remember that the US is much much much larger than most of the nations you are from. Of course we will have a few more idiots than you, but more than likely a few more brilliant people also.
and mazzy sorry that your cousins made your trip to cali so bad. I hate the people in cali but love the state. But I find that when it comes down to it they really have no fucking clue what they are talking about and if you are just stern enough with them they will believe whatever you tell them no matter how ridiculous it is. So if this ever happens to you again, I would just get mad and spout out some brilliant truth and they will feel like idiots and shut up
oh and liam. Why are americans the devils people for thinking they are better than other countries but you can straight up say canada is better and its no big deal?
and I still cant believe you dont see how big of an idiot you are for buying into that video and thinking you could "prove people aren't dumb" where you are from by doing the same thing. that guy probably spend a whole week just finding those people. and that was the end results of edits after edits and misquotes and all kinds of stupid shit just to get a laugh. Jay Leno does it all the time. You are so stupid for thinking its real.
Quote from: rxqueen on Jul 07, 2007, 09:59 PM
Nobody said all Americans are retarted and I guess that wasn't anybody's point here Kelly
wrong. liam has said that in so many words a couple times. Like that you would have to go to a playground and interview 12 year olds to get the same results in the UK that you would get in the US. Or that he wants to hit the streets he is from to prove the people there are smarter. Come on now emma be fair and give it to people from both sides.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 07, 2007, 10:11 PM
This is why i hate getting into a debate about it, Cause yes Kelly, I love you and i'm sure i'd love alot of Americans too.
Just the strongly patriotic ones drive me insane, kinda like JuicyFruit and her sexism bullshit and Trey with his constant 'know it all' attitude, There will always be some that piss me off.. sometimes you just can't help but throw people from a certain background, culture, country etc. into a category.
you get so mad because you usually have no fucking idea what you are talking about. You just hopped on some stupid fad and roll with it. Then when someone can sit in front of you and lay out and intelligent argument for why you are an idiot you don't like it and have to throw us into a category for why we suck. Not to mention you are one of the worse people I have ever seen at separating a joke from seriousness.
Oh, and I do know it all, get over it.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 07, 2007, 07:22 PM
Every American i've met in the flesh has been awesome, Just like every Polish, Australian, South African, French, Canadian etc.
then what the fuck gives you license to say that america as a whole is egoistic and a shitty country? does everyone in british popular culture and government reflect the general public completely? no, it doesn't anywhere. that's just what you see, what you can judge by. that and it's a pretty easy bandwagon to jump onto. find something better to be pissed off at, maybe something in YOUR country that's wrong.
Liam, I think you sound more like an idiot than 95% of the americans on this forum alone.
Sorry, but it's the truth.
Here we go again Josh, Don't fall off the bandwagon now eh ;)
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 08, 2007, 07:16 AM
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 07, 2007, 07:22 PM
Every American i've met in the flesh has been awesome, Just like every Polish, Australian, South African, French, Canadian etc.
then what the fuck gives you license to say that america as a whole is egoistic and a shitty country? does everyone in british popular culture and government reflect the general public completely? no, it doesn't anywhere. that's just what you see, what you can judge by. that and it's a pretty easy bandwagon to jump onto. find something better to be pissed off at, maybe something in YOUR country that's wrong.
Infact, this is the first time i've ever spouted off about America, It's not something i think about daily, It's just what i think mate. Sure not everyone reflects their Government bla bla bla, Well no shit dumbass why do you think there is tons of Americans on here who are just as cool as the people i know over here? and all these bands i'm into, share the same views on America?
If you don't like what i say, Go fuck yourself or don't bother reading, Truly.
You're already making yourself out to be the typical American stereotype.
i am the smartest american on this board. i will nuke you. don't fuck with me.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 08, 2007, 08:08 AM
Here we go again Josh, Don't fall off the bandwagon now eh ;)
I'm just gonna ignore the rest of that nonsense you posted and say, "You're one to talk"
Quotethe man was amazing
prove this thesis please
what he achieved in economy is a result of producing weapons in order to take over the world. there is nothing amazing in it. it could be done at any time to decrease unemployment but nobody is as evil as hitler was and would do it. plus several alliances would forbid the increase of military.
the way of how he convinced the people for his movement. well i guess psychology can explain. to a smaller extent we got the same problem in germany right now. great frustration -> people ellect right wing and left wing parties...
imho there is nothing special about him.
probablly as a soldier you just see his military achievements?
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 08, 2007, 08:08 AM
Infact, this is the first time i've ever spouted off about America, It's not something i think about daily, It's just what i think mate.
Come on now Liam! ;)
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php?topic=6443.msg442095#msg442095
And you spouted on MSN that one time. :-*
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 08, 2007, 08:08 AM
Infact, this is the first time i've ever spouted off about America,
i'm glad devilinside already called you out about that, that is the biggest bunch of bullshit i've ever read, you've got the most anti-american sentiment that i've read on the board, easily.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 08, 2007, 08:08 AM
You're already making yourself out to be the typical American stereotype.
i'm not really huge on the whole patriotism/flag-waving stuff either, you're just talking shit when it's clear that you don't know what the fuck you're saying.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 08, 2007, 08:08 AM
Sure not everyone reflects their Government bla bla bla, Well no shit dumbass why do you think there is tons of Americans on here who are just as cool as the people i know over here? and all these bands i'm into, share the same views on America?
then if you think they're cool and have met them personally, why do you go and say you hate america/americans? i'd say that's a more firsthand experience than what you hear about in the media, i feel like that's what you should judge by, not some caricature of george bush and dick cheney taking over the world one country at a time, because that's not how americans are.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 08, 2007, 08:08 AM
If you don't like what i say, Go fuck yourself or don't bother reading, Truly.
i usually do, when you're talking about buttfucking and floral patterns, i don't really give a fuck, but when you're talking this much retarded shit about something that has nothing to do with you, it's hard to not find an excuse to slander your dumb ass.
ok that entire last post was great
But this
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 08, 2007, 05:09 PM
i usually do, when you're talking about buttfucking and floral patterns, i don't really give a fuck, but when you're talking this much retarded shit about something that has nothing to do with you, it's hard to not find an excuse to slander your dumb ass.
Almost killed me. That was great
Same.
I lol'd
snarf
So I guess this would be a good thread to share this story in.
Yesterday I flew from Albuquerque to Washington DC. There was this kid behind me, had to be about 17 or 18. He was really loud and obnoxious. Like he was shouting to the people next to him. and when he would get up to piss he would pull on every seat (including my own) as hard as he could. So it was really hard to sleep on the plane around him. So I listened to what this guy had to say. And I figured out that he was Canadian visiting some family that had just moved to New Mexico. And this guy was a total idiot. But I found one conversation of his to be really entertaining.
So he was trying to figure out what the time difference between DC and Albuquerque was. and the person next to him told him 2 hrs. but he could not accept this as truth because the time difference between his home in Canada and New Mexico was only 2 hours. And his rational for this was that Canada is much further north than Washington DC so it could not possibly be the same......Yeah guess he never heard of Longitude. Anyways the people sitting next to him tried assuring him that they were right. But he just played them off as idiots and went on to some other moronic conversation.
Guess the US is not the only country with idiots. Good thing we dont all judge countries by a couple people we know of from them.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 08, 2007, 09:55 PM
So I guess this would be a good thread to share this story in.
Yesterday I flew from Albuquerque to Washington DC. There was this kid behind me, had to be about 17 or 18. He was really loud and obnoxious. Like he was shouting to the people next to him. and when he would get up to piss he would pull on every seat (including my own) as hard as he could. So it was really hard to sleep on the plane around him. So I listened to what this guy had to say. And I figured out that he was Canadian visiting some family that had just moved to New Mexico. And this guy was a total idiot. But I found one conversation of his to be really entertaining.
So he was trying to figure out what the time difference between DC and Albuquerque was. and the person next to him told him 2 hrs. but he could not accept this as truth because the time difference between his home in Canada and New Mexico was only 2 hours. And his rational for this was that Canada is much further north than Washington DC so it could not possibly be the same......Yeah guess he never heard of Longitude. Anyways the people sitting next to him tried assuring him that they were right. But he just played them off as idiots and went on to some other moronic conversation.
Guess the US is not the only country with idiots. Good thing we dont all judge countries by a couple people we know of from them.
Well in reality, that's pretty much how the western world views the middle east and beyond. No surprise though with all the problems that have been created there.
[Oh, and to note regarding population numbers... considering that the US has over 300,000,000... which is a lot I know, but much smaller countries like UK (60,000,000) and France have substantial populations alone: The US is practically empty compared to EU states and others]
america
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i290/willi377/FatDude.jpg)
america
(http://philip.greenspun.com/images/20050813-newport-jazz-festival/fat-shirtless-guy-eating-cheeseburger-2.4.jpg)
america
(http://www.chadblodgett.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/fat-dog-751481.jpg)
argh what a shame for mankind
Quote from: Law on Jul 09, 2007, 08:54 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 08, 2007, 09:55 PM
So I guess this would be a good thread to share this story in.
Yesterday I flew from Albuquerque to Washington DC. There was this kid behind me, had to be about 17 or 18. He was really loud and obnoxious. Like he was shouting to the people next to him. and when he would get up to piss he would pull on every seat (including my own) as hard as he could. So it was really hard to sleep on the plane around him. So I listened to what this guy had to say. And I figured out that he was Canadian visiting some family that had just moved to New Mexico. And this guy was a total idiot. But I found one conversation of his to be really entertaining.
So he was trying to figure out what the time difference between DC and Albuquerque was. and the person next to him told him 2 hrs. but he could not accept this as truth because the time difference between his home in Canada and New Mexico was only 2 hours. And his rational for this was that Canada is much further north than Washington DC so it could not possibly be the same......Yeah guess he never heard of Longitude. Anyways the people sitting next to him tried assuring him that they were right. But he just played them off as idiots and went on to some other moronic conversation.
Guess the US is not the only country with idiots. Good thing we dont all judge countries by a couple people we know of from them.
Well in reality, that's pretty much how the western world views the middle east and beyond. No surprise though with all the problems that have been created there.
[Oh, and to note regarding population numbers... considering that the US has over 300,000,000... which is a lot I know, but much smaller countries like UK (60,000,000) and France have substantial populations alone: The US is practically empty compared to EU states and others]
I dont see the middle east like that. I might have used to. But I think when it comes down to it most people just view them more as primitive than stupid. Education would go a long long way out there.
And Seeing that the US has 5 times more population than France or the UK I would say that there is a better posibility for us to have one or two more idiots. That was my point. It had nothing to do with over crouding. But the most populated country in Europe that I could find was Germany at 82,431,390. The US is still almost 3 times larger. But those population numbers still dont take into account all of the illegal immigrants that are in the US (as well as European countries) and I know the US has MILLIONS of illegals right now.
Alvarezbassist -
I find it funny how you call me an idiot and say that i don't have a clue, When you don't even read what i'm saying.
You're a complete cock, So whatever you say doesn't really mean anything to me, Neither should anything i say mean anything to you. So go wait for the new Harry Potter book and pick your nose, Since you have nothing better to do with your time.
Kelly -
What does me thinking that being Gay in England is alot easier than it is America have anything to do with me hating what America stands for? (and most of it's populations ideas of their own country)
I spouted off about America on MSN, Not Here...and it was about how Saddam didn't get a fair trial and America still stepped in and thrown their weight around like they're the rulers of Earth, Yet you defend them..
It's no wonder this world will come to an abrupt end by our own hands.
you think saddam deserved a fair trial?
Quote from: theis on Jul 09, 2007, 03:36 PM
you think saddam deserved a fair trial?
Ahh legit one yeah, His one was so fuckin' false it's untrue.
I don't give a shit if he was alive or not, He didn't effect my life.. i just felt kinda sick to think that the whole thing being shown on the news was a big show put on by the American government, FOR the American government and all the people praising it like it should happen.. when really, In the end they had no reason to murder him.
Like alot of others, Saddam was just another block in the way for America's quest for oil and world domination... so it figures.
subliminal left.
*throws a party*
Quote from: yoda on mars on Jul 09, 2007, 10:17 AM
america
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i290/willi377/FatDude.jpg)
america
(http://philip.greenspun.com/images/20050813-newport-jazz-festival/fat-shirtless-guy-eating-cheeseburger-2.4.jpg)
america
(http://www.chadblodgett.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/fat-dog-751481.jpg)
So apparently, there are no obese people in other countries?
Quote from: yoda on mars on Jul 09, 2007, 10:17 AM
america
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i290/willi377/FatDude.jpg)
america
(http://philip.greenspun.com/images/20050813-newport-jazz-festival/fat-shirtless-guy-eating-cheeseburger-2.4.jpg)
america
(http://www.chadblodgett.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/fat-dog-751481.jpg)
Europeans
(http://blog.erdener.org/archives/images/20040204-two-heads-b.jpg)
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j168/PItabew13/101457.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/meghanshellman/Good%20Memories%20of%20a%20bad%20year/110406003.jpg)
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 09, 2007, 05:01 PM(http://blog.erdener.org/archives/images/20040204-two-heads-b.jpg)
Now that's what I would call a perfect design for a headfuck...
High 5 for Europe...
LOL!
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 09, 2007, 03:40 PM
Quote from: theis on Jul 09, 2007, 03:36 PM
you think saddam deserved a fair trial?
Ahh legit one yeah, His one was so fuckin' false it's untrue.
I don't give a shit if he was alive or not, He didn't effect my life.. i just felt kinda sick to think that the whole thing being shown on the news was a big show put on by the American government, FOR the American government and all the people praising it like it should happen.. when really, In the end they had no reason to murder him.
Like alot of others, Saddam was just another block in the way for America's quest for oil and world domination... so it figures.
lol what an idiot. The US did not even try Saddam. It was his own people. The US stayed out of it so that idiots like liam could not accuse them of anything like this. But people just see what they want to. He was tried by his own people in the laws of his own culture. Who the fuck is anyone to tell those people they were wrong for holding justice as is fit in their culture.
Its funny though. People get pissed off at the US and call us world police and tell us that we should just stay out of the affairs of the rest of the world. Then when something shitty happens or something does not go the way they want they blame the US for not doing enough. lol fucking bandwagon hypocrites. No wonder liam left the board. He probably got sick of realizing how big of an idiot he is every day
oh and one other note to liam even though he probably wont read this. Saddam did effect your life. Your country is at war because of him. Wether you are too stupid to realize it or not, he has effected your life. And they did have a reason to kill him. They killed him for his crimes against humanity. He raped, tortured, gassed, and tried genocide in his country and bordering countries. If you think that's good to go then you deserve to be hung with him.
Now do I think they SHOULD have hung him? well I am not too sure about that anymore. But they had every reason to. And if your entire life had been one big painful and oppressive mess because of a dictator, you just might want to kill him too.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 09, 2007, 06:36 PM
oh and one other note to liam even though he probably wont read this. Saddam did effect your life. Your country is at war because of him. Wether you are too stupid to realize it or not, he has effected your life. And they did have a reason to kill him. They killed him for his crimes against humanity. He raped, tortured, gassed, and tried genocide in his country and bordering countries. If you think that's good to go then you deserve to be hung with him.
Now do I think they SHOULD have hung him? well I am not too sure about that anymore. But they had every reason to. And if your entire life had been one big painful and oppressive mess because of a dictator, you just might want to kill him too.
^5
;-)
What many people around the world, and in the States, don't realize is that the United States is like a confederation of about 6 or 7 countries and its always been like that.
I think the only reason the border states with all the illegals(South Cali, Arizona, most of Texas, etc),
...The lunatic fringe fundie south (South Carolina, Alabama, Luisiana, Florida, most of Texas, etc),
...The more enlightened north east (New York, New Hampshire, Maine, hell, even Jersey, etc),
...The places where mountain beasts lies (Montana, Utah, Idaho, etc),
And all the regions of the fuckin country won't secede from each other is because we've forgotten about the whole ideal of seceding. When we do think of it when only think of it in the context of the Civil War.
I love Lincoln for releasing the slaves but fuck, I wish the South would secede again....and float off into the sun.
..........does anyone else want to run with this one? Because its really easy
Nah,I think things in the south are good how they are now. Slavery was a bunch of bullshit. Lazy ass white people couldn't do their own work so they had to bring people here to do it for them,while beating,raping and killing them....fuck that.
THEN they complain there are too many black people in the US...well you can thank you lazy ass forefathers for that. I guess racism is a big thing for me, being from the south where it's really strong,I cannot stand hearing people make racist remarks about black people.
fucking niggers
Trey seriously,shut the fuck up!!
lol, now why would you get mad when you know someone is not serious about it? Sometimes people are way too sensitive about shit they should not be so sensitive about.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 09, 2007, 03:29 PM
Alvarezbassist -
I find it funny how you call me an idiot and say that i don't have a clue, When you don't even read what i'm saying.
You're a complete cock, So whatever you say doesn't really mean anything to me, Neither should anything i say mean anything to you. So go wait for the new Harry Potter book and pick your nose, Since you have nothing better to do with your time.
he clearly only left so i couldn't show everyone how much higher his posts per day was that mine is, and so i couldn't present this algorithm, but i'm gonna do it anyway
homosexuals crave cock
i am (allegedly) a cock
subliminal craves me
it's inherently simple, even though he may not have realized it yet, someday when he's still lurking here (tomorrow), he'll realize it and i'll get free dome.
p.s. i don't watch harry potter, not enough cursing.
subliminal deleted his account. :'(
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 10, 2007, 03:50 AM
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 09, 2007, 03:29 PM
Alvarezbassist -
I find it funny how you call me an idiot and say that i don't have a clue, When you don't even read what i'm saying.
You're a complete cock, So whatever you say doesn't really mean anything to me, Neither should anything i say mean anything to you. So go wait for the new Harry Potter book and pick your nose, Since you have nothing better to do with your time.
he clearly only left so i couldn't show everyone how much higher his posts per day was that mine is, and so i couldn't present this algorithm, but i'm gonna do it anyway
homosexuals crave cock
i am (allegedly) a cock
subliminal craves me
it's inherently simple, even though he may not have realized it yet, someday when he's still lurking here (tomorrow), he'll realize it and i'll get free dome.
p.s. i don't watch harry potter, not enough cursing.
Im coming to the conclusion that you are pretty awesome
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 10, 2007, 03:50 AM
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 09, 2007, 03:29 PM
Alvarezbassist -
I find it funny how you call me an idiot and say that i don't have a clue, When you don't even read what i'm saying.
You're a complete cock, So whatever you say doesn't really mean anything to me, Neither should anything i say mean anything to you. So go wait for the new Harry Potter book and pick your nose, Since you have nothing better to do with your time.
he clearly only left so i couldn't show everyone how much higher his posts per day was that mine is, and so i couldn't present this algorithm, but i'm gonna do it anyway
homosexuals crave cock
i am (allegedly) a cock
subliminal craves me
it's inherently simple, even though he may not have realized it yet, someday when he's still lurking here (tomorrow), he'll realize it and i'll get free dome.
p.s. i don't watch harry potter, not enough cursing.
Dude...Harry Potter is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111
*and i'm being serious*
Quote from: Variable on Jul 10, 2007, 05:21 AM
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 10, 2007, 03:50 AM
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 09, 2007, 03:29 PM
Alvarezbassist -
I find it funny how you call me an idiot and say that i don't have a clue, When you don't even read what i'm saying.
You're a complete cock, So whatever you say doesn't really mean anything to me, Neither should anything i say mean anything to you. So go wait for the new Harry Potter book and pick your nose, Since you have nothing better to do with your time.
he clearly only left so i couldn't show everyone how much higher his posts per day was that mine is, and so i couldn't present this algorithm, but i'm gonna do it anyway
homosexuals crave cock
i am (allegedly) a cock
subliminal craves me
it's inherently simple, even though he may not have realized it yet, someday when he's still lurking here (tomorrow), he'll realize it and i'll get free dome.
p.s. i don't watch harry potter, not enough cursing.
Im coming to the conclusion that you are pretty awesome
it's just an optical illusion, i'm actually a 13 year old girl from bumfuckzville, minnesota.
haha i'm just playin, i define pimp.
Quote from: penny on Jul 10, 2007, 03:57 AM
subliminal deleted his account. :'(
oh well, i've had him on block forever anyway
alvarez is the man
Alvarez has always been the man.
oh, you guys, stop it, i'm blushing. we're just the deftonesworld.com/board OGs.
I miss those days. I miss the days a bit before everyone bashed the hell out of me.
Yeah, those were funny... :)
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 10, 2007, 10:45 PM
i define pimp.
I know exactly how you feel. I define awesome
Clever.
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 09, 2007, 09:45 PM
Nah,I think things in the south are good how they are now. Slavery was a bunch of bullshit. Lazy ass white people couldn't do their own work so they had to bring people here to do it for them,while beating,raping and killing them....fuck that.
THEN they complain there are too many black people in the US...well you can thank you lazy ass forefathers for that. I guess racism is a big thing for me, being from the south where it's really strong,I cannot stand hearing people make racist remarks about black people.
thats bullshit, im not condoning slavery by any means, people who owned, beat, raped and killed slaves were the scum of the earth by todays standards...but slavery had been going on for hundreds of years before america was founded and had been accepted all over the world as a common practice. it doesnt make it right, but it was white people that stood up and put an end to the atrocious act that had been happening since the beginning of time. thousands of white americans lost their lives fighting to end slavery and setting a standard of freedom for the rest of the world thus changing the course of human history.
people of EVERY race have been enslaved at one point in human history....saying that lazy white people owned slaves is just as ignorant and racist as people making remarks about black people in the south
Quote from: Variable on Jul 11, 2007, 02:17 PM
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 10, 2007, 10:45 PM
i define pimp.
I know exactly how you feel. I define awesome
aren't you sick of fuckin merriam webster bugging you all the time too?
Does the difference of the color of a people still make a difference anymore? of course it does, more then ever, more subliminallly, and it's way too sad, and way to over-done, and to think peopple that sun'burn are better then people that sun-natural, is just another stereotype. but we're still more beautiful.
Quote from: theis on Jul 12, 2007, 12:04 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 11, 2007, 02:17 PM
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 10, 2007, 10:45 PM
i define pimp.
I know exactly how you feel. I define gayness.
we know, man. we know.
weak
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 13, 2007, 02:37 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 11, 2007, 02:17 PM
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 10, 2007, 10:45 PM
i define pimp.
I know exactly how you feel. I define awesome
aren't you sick of fuckin merriam webster bugging you all the time too?
im too awesome to be bugged
Quote from: BLUMPKIN on Jul 12, 2007, 10:46 PM
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 09, 2007, 09:45 PM
Nah,I think things in the south are good how they are now. Slavery was a bunch of bullshit. Lazy ass white people couldn't do their own work so they had to bring people here to do it for them,while beating,raping and killing them....fuck that.
THEN they complain there are too many black people in the US...well you can thank you lazy ass forefathers for that. I guess racism is a big thing for me, being from the south where it's really strong,I cannot stand hearing people make racist remarks about black people.
thats bullshit, im not condoning slavery by any means, people who owned, beat, raped and killed slaves were the scum of the earth by todays standards...but slavery had been going on for hundreds of years before america was founded and had been accepted all over the world as a common practice. it doesnt make it right, but it was white people that stood up and put an end to the atrocious act that had been happening since the beginning of time. thousands of white americans lost their lives fighting to end slavery and setting a standard of freedom for the rest of the world thus changing the course of human history.
people of EVERY race have been enslaved at one point in human history....saying that lazy white people owned slaves is just as ignorant and racist as people making remarks about black people in the south
couple things for the both of you.
Kelly blumpkin is right. Slavery had been around for THOUSANDS of years before america. It is how empires were built for the longest time. Anyone know why the spartains could only send 300 to fight? In real life its because their slaves out numbered them by so much that if they did not have their military in their country all the time they would not be able to control their slaves and they would be over taken. But is anyone talking shit about the spartains and calling them the scum of the earth? nope. Its all relative. And its not about white people being lazy. There was just too much work for them to do alone and they could have either paid people, or owned slaves. and back then it was not morally wrong to own slaves (remember you have a hind sight view on this) so they bought slaves. It was wrong and horrible looking back. But at the time it was just as normal and acceptable as taking your kids to day care is today. And if your really think about it. Slavery totally jump started americas economy and sped up the process to make america what it is today. It was a gross infringement on the civil rights of generations of people, but it did a lot of good for america.
and blumpkin. I know that in history classes today they try to make it seem like the civil war was all about slavery and all that. but in reality slavery was a 2nd agenda that most people didn't even care about. I almost find it comical to even think about someone believing that the union soldiers were fighting for the freedom of black people. The civil war was about the succession of the souther states from the northern states and Lincoln not wanting the Union to fall apart on his watch. Slavery was just an issue that added a bit of muscle to his platform. Kind of like WMDs with this war. Really, that's it.
difference is, wmd's didn't exist in this war. owned.
you missed the point. Its not that wmds did or did not exist and that slavery for sure did. Its that they were both secondary agendas used by the presidents to get support. Abraham Lincoln was a racist. It is clear as day if you read his speeches on slavery. But he ran into a problem when the south wanted to
succeed. Technically they were legally allowed to do that. But Abe did not want to be known as the president who let the union laps on his watch. So he said no, even though the south was technically allowed to do what they were saying. so one way Abe got support was raising the 2nd agenda of slavery. Even though the real agenda was keeping the Union.
Just like Bush used WMDs as a 2nd agenda when he really wanted to go in for......well im not going there but you can fill in the blank with whatever you want. I just really dont care to start another Iraq debate.
But yeah, that was my point that you missed. Pwned
secede*
Thank you. That was bugging me.
yeah dude, what a fucking retard.
hm, sorry that is what I meant
I could understad getting them confused once...
You suck, Trey.
OK. Dumb question:
Whats a WMD
Quote from: You Fail Me on Jul 16, 2007, 04:14 AM
I could understad getting them confused once...
You suck, Trey.
you could understand who getting confused about what once?
and I am awesome.
Quote from: marty on Jul 16, 2007, 04:26 AM
OK. Dumb question:
Whats a WMD
Weapons of mass destruction noob. Havnt you ever seen team america world police? Or the news?
team america world police is one of the funniest movies ever
"NO ME GUUUSTAAA!"
lol
I was only a young boy when the americans came in their black hawk helicopters..........................the oil fields lit up like the eyes of allah..................and if you dont believe me, then you better kill me now. Because ill put a jihad on your ass too.
I love that part
This movie is indeed teh awesome...
When I hanged out with the Tones in London, Abe and one of the roadie kept on repeating that "dakka dakka" stuff, it was pretty hilarious...
OHHHHHH! durka durka?
yeah something like that... :)
they say all kinds of stupid stuff. I was just trying to communicate with you in durka language.
That F.A.G stuff is priceless too... :)
Oh, that and this too:
We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong Il is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!
Quote from: tarkil on Jul 16, 2007, 08:11 AM
Oh, that and this too:
We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong Il is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!
lol seriously how the fuck do you write something so stupid and funny. Yet so true and intelligent.
it's because trey parker is a fuckin genius and should be recognized as the best comedic writer of our generation, hands down. that is, if he rightfully earned the writing credits on all of his stuff, which i think he did for the most part.
have you guys seen baseketball?
yeah trey and matt are both awesome beyond their credit. But that's because they piss too many people off. I have seen basketball. Its hilarious. ever seen cannibal the musical?
baseketball is one of my favorite movies ever for sure, it's like tied with the south park movie and team america. "you kids today with your loud music, your dan fogelberg, zima, hula hoops and pac-man video games. don't you see? people today have attention spans that can only be measured in nano seconds (remer staring at bird)" ahahaha.
i haven't seen cannibal, is it good?
I dont know. MY friend just told me about it like 3 weeks ago. But he loved it. I guess it was their first movie when they were in film school
I didn't see any of these 2... I'm a huge fan of Matt and Trey though, so I guess I really need to check them out...
yeah i've definitely heard about it before. i bet it's really good, everything they touch is golden. south park is definitely my favorite tv show ever. but they do relentlessly piss people off, that's part of what's so great about it, they just tear everybody apart equally with no mercy or political correctness. fucking great comedy. i'm gonna watch one of the episodes from the entire series i have downloaded tonight :)
Yes, South Park is really awesomely great imo... They indeed shit on every type of person equally... And that's just great...
I could watch some for hours...
I could watch it for hours too
i can watch it for hours. bittorrent is the SHIIIIT
Yeah, bittorrent, or that tv-link something where you can watch to all of them in streaming and in a quite correct quality...
do they have the scientology one?
THey used to have all of them, from all seasons...
That scientology one was awesome... :)
the scientology one is a hard one to find. and now they wont play it on the air anymore
QuoteI don't understand patriotism, really, I don't.
Neither do I, especially if one's nation is going to shit. patriots are dickheaded pigs
i'll shut it now. lol
Quote from: Nebontha on Jul 21, 2007, 02:00 PM
QuoteI don't understand patriotism, really, I don't.
Neither do I, especially if one's nation is going to shit. patriots are dickheaded pigs
its the people who dont do anything while their nation is going to shit that are dick head pigs.
bump
So I know this is early for those of you in the states. But its the 4th here on oki. So im getting it started.
I was cooking food for tomorrow,and thought I should get on here and tell you happy fourth...... we kinda sorta appreciate what you do for us. ;)
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 04, 2008, 12:10 AM
I was cooking food for tomorrow,and thought I should get on here and tell you happy fourth...... we kinda sorta appreciate what you do for us. ;)
Thank kelly, I know you do.
*in the voice for Team America*
"AMERRRRICA FUCK YEAH!!!"
A fun fact.
On this day in 1826 ( the 50th anniversary of the declaration of independence) Thomas Jefferson ( the 3rd president of the united states) and John Adams (the 2nd president of the United states ) were the only surviving signers of the declaration. Each of them died on the 4th of July 1826 within hours of each other. John Adams last words are accepted as " Thomas Jefferson survives" even though the only words that were actually audible were "Thomas Jefferson"
Tell me that its not a bit weird that they would both die on the 50th anniversary.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 04, 2007, 11:11 PM
[youtube=425,350]mh_jkUqpTi8[/youtube]
I love this song
Quote from: Variable on Jul 04, 2008, 12:27 AM
A fun fact.
On this day in 1826 ( the 50th anniversary of the declaration of independence) Thomas Jefferson ( the 3rd president of the united states) and John Adams (the 2nd president of the United states ) were the only surviving signers of the declaration. Each of them died on the 4th of July 1826 within hours of each other. John Adams last words are accepted as " Thomas Jefferson survives" even though the only words that were actually audible were "Thomas Jefferson"
Tell me that its not a bit weird that they would both die on the 50th anniversary.
i had heard that before, and yeah thats pretty cool. and creepy
this from that era but not July 4:
The First Submarine Attack in History took place in NY Harbor in 1776.
Connecticut inventor David Bushnell called his submarine the Turtle because it resembled two large tortoise shells of equal size joined together. The watertight hull was made of 6-inch-thick oak timbers coated with tar. On September 6, 1776, the Turtle targeted the HMS Eagle, flagship of the British fleet. The submarine was supposed to secure a cask of gunpowder to the hull of the Eagle and sneak away before it exploded. Unfortunately, the Turtle got entangled with the Eagle's rudder bar, lost ballast and surfaced before the gunpowder could be planted.
Its the 4th of July now in New Zealand
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jul 04, 2008, 12:36 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 04, 2008, 12:29 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 04, 2007, 11:11 PM
[youtube=425,350]mh_jkUqpTi8[/youtube]
I love this song
OMGZ thank you for finding that!!
Im here for you
Quote from: indychinoluv on Jul 04, 2008, 12:40 AM
Its the 4th of July now in New Zealand
well happy American independence day New Zealand!
LMAO @ that video!!!!!
This video must become a SL 4th of July tradition. We have already had it for 2 years.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 04, 2008, 12:45 AM
well happy American independence day New Zealand!
I had a hot dog for you. Its the middle of winter here, so I'll proberley just drink some watered down beer.
lol. I ate a hotdog today too. I have no idea why that was such a necessary thing to do
Quote from: Variable on Jul 04, 2008, 03:13 AM
lol. I ate a hotdog today too. I have no idea why that was such a necessary thing to do
I thought it was an american thing. We call them yank dogs here!
yeah a hotdog is pretty fucking american
Happy 4th of July, everyone.
Trey, I love ya and I want to thank you for doing what you do.
[youtube=425,350]RssIN3ustUw[/youtube]
sorry, i just couldnt resist ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: White Pwny on Jul 04, 2008, 03:05 PM
Happy 4th of July, everyone.
Trey, I love ya and I want to thank you for doing what you do.
thanks sinner.I love you too
Quote from: goldpony on Jul 04, 2008, 03:19 PM
[youtube=425,350]RssIN3ustUw[/youtube]
sorry, i just couldnt resist ;D ;D ;D
it wont play
Quote from: Variable on Jul 04, 2007, 05:26 PM
Happy 4th of july.
To all of the People from the UK, PWNED!!!!
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and for liam
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LMAO!! Aww....I miss Liam!
yeah. This time last year. Him and I were at each others throats non stop. He was good to have around for board conflict.
Congrats to you, it wouldn't have happend without the french ;D
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLOOLOLOLLLLOOOOL....good one!
Quote from: Variable on Jul 04, 2008, 03:56 PM
thanks sinner.I love you too
Quote from: goldpony on Jul 04, 2008, 03:19 PM
[youtube=425,350]RssIN3ustUw[/youtube]
sorry, i just couldnt resist ;D ;D ;D
it wont play
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RssIN3ustUw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RssIN3ustUw)
^heres the link to the cheeseist video ever made
Quote from: Corleone on Jul 04, 2008, 06:21 PM
Congrats to you, it wouldn't have happend without the french ;D
this is true. But I think we paid you back, a couple times
happy freedom friday
Quote from: goldpony on Jul 04, 2008, 09:59 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 04, 2008, 03:56 PM
thanks sinner.I love you tooQuote from: goldpony on Jul 04, 2008, 03:19 PM
[youtube=425,350]RssIN3ustUw[/youtube]
sorry, i just couldnt resist ;D ;D ;D
it wont play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RssIN3ustUw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RssIN3ustUw)
^heres the link to the cheeseist video ever made
[/quote]lol. Oh yeah. that is bad. I wont even try to act like I didnt listen to that song non stop when I was a kid though.
They always play that at all the military graduations and shit. It always end up pulling tears from a bunch of people.
I used to love america but now it's just meh...
btw It's so true...
(http://www.msxnet.org/humour/world-according-to-america.png)
(http://johnbakersblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/americanworld.jpg)
Not quite true
Quote from: Variable on Jul 05, 2008, 09:26 AM
Not quite true
true for most of you. You Trey at least know where Afghanistan is.
I also know where Japan is. Seeing as how I live in Japan. I also have a general idea where China is because that is where my sister lives. Oh yeah an I can pretty much tell you where most other countries in the world are because believe it or not, I have looked at a map once or twice before.
Its not like every other country in the world has the geography of the world imbedded into their brains. And if you asked them to point on a blank map where Iowa is, I doubt they would get it. You should remember that one or two states in the US is about the size of your average country in the world.
Quote from: whodunit? on Jul 05, 2008, 10:01 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 05, 2008, 09:26 AM
Not quite true
true for most of you.
again not quite true, remember the US is a BIG place with a lot of people. dont let a few ignoramus' taint your view of our intelligence. thats like saying all polish people are idiots based on some crude jokes. true we have are share of idiots, but the same could be said the world over
what could be said is that we get offended at jokes about our country, but the first to make one about another ;)
Quote from: Variable on Jul 05, 2008, 05:31 PM
what could be said is that we get offended at jokes about our country, but the first to make one about another ;)
so true, tho i did find yodas post to be funny. besides, who doesnt like a little jingoism and xenophobia from time to time :D
yeah I dont even care anymore. If people want to be ignorant and think that the US is some big devil nation then whatever
Quote from: Variable on Jul 06, 2008, 02:21 AM
yeah I dont even care anymore. If people want to be ignorant and think that the US is some big devil nation then whatever
I have never said i see you as demon-breeding country. No wai!
The USA always reminds me of the Roman Empire. Victorious and glorious but fell eventually.
Don't get me wrong. I see America as a land of opportunities but also a land of total ignorance about other countries.
I never said that you said anything. I was just making a general statement.
whatever
I was being serious. I just made a general statement. There are a lot of haters out there. Geez, I guess if the shoe fits
All this talkin reminds me of this thread..
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,11278.0.html
oh, now I see why tarkil bumped it. It was you.
Yes, please don't blame me... :)
lol
its just small minded to criticize Americans for what they're government does. Im from New Orleans and know a thing or two about how shitty our leaders can be but at the same time the individuals in the country arnt to blame the same way as i wouldnt blame everybody in Turkey for the genocide they commited against the kurds. Its ignorance to "hate" a country for things that its government does. I live in Taiwan right now and have first hand knowledge of the "other" side of the world and its obvious that we are all individuals, some more malleable (or stupid) than others, but all makers of our own choices (cept slaves i guess). The government here (Taiwan) can be pretty fucked up and corrupt too but i dont hear anyone talkin shit about Taiwan or China or 100 other countries that commit similiar atrocities as America (albeit on a smaller scale). Its just because America is on top and is a target, Jealousy is a stinky cologne
Quote from: nonesuch on Jul 07, 2008, 01:07 PM
Its just because America is on top and is a target, Jealousy is a stinky cologne
Wrong...
Quote from: nonesuch on Jul 07, 2008, 01:07 PM
Its just because America is on top and is a target, Jealousy is a stinky cologne
...and that my friend is why the USA gets shit
Quote from: indychinoluv on Jul 08, 2008, 02:31 AM
Quote from: nonesuch on Jul 07, 2008, 01:07 PM
Its just because America is on top and is a target, Jealousy is a stinky cologne
...and that my friend is why the USA gets shit
Exactly man... Couldn't agree more... cf. "oh noez..." ;)
we're not on top anymore, that's the reality. we're struggling to keep up with the real world superpowers now.
and who would that be?
Well, your mom's on top... :)
OF YOUR DAD!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was more thinking of the top of my cock, but if that makes you feel safer.... ;)
its not arrogant to point out the obvious consensus. Sure the US is in recession and has gone south a bit since George W got in but no one can deny that America either was/is the most powerful country in the world or damn near for almost 100 years. Sure i have pride in my country but im not close minded either and see and respect all of the other world powers, and wouldnt say America is the "best" because thats arbitrary and relative and impossible to determine. So why exactly would i deserve "shit" for saying America is/was on top (or has been for a long time) and thats a big reason we get backlash. Its a common theme throughout history. Everyone is vying for the top and whoevers currently there gets critized
And to anybody making ridiculously stupid and immature comments like "your moms on top" your opinion doesnt mean shit. go back to 7th grade
He is just fucking around man. Were all friends just making stupid comments to lighten the mood. Its all good
But to add a little bit to what you were just saying. The united states may be in an economic recession. However we are still the worlds military powerhouse. We have been since the fall of the soviet union. I know china is coming on like gang busters. But their navy is no where near the strength of ours. So they can have as many in their army as they want. If they cant transport them over the ocean , they are useless. Remember that we did do tremendous things during the great depression. I agree that the US is no where near as prestigious as we used to be. But that's not to say we wont ever get our luster back.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 08, 2008, 12:49 PM
I agree that the US is no where near as prestigious as we used to be. But that's not to say we wont ever get our luster back.
that's what i am trying to say. I think China is right up there now , as a world power.
But you mention the military, which I idiotically completely overlooked....we still know how to fight. And we have some amazing weapons technology
plus if you look at the US's GDP and consumption power we dwarf whole continents.
But on the other hand, after living abroad for a while i have changed my worldview a bit, in that now i do realize (truly) that America is just one country in a big world. Growing up there you do sort of get fed some subversive ethnocentric bullshit, until you almost (in a doublethink kind of way) believe that America is the Earth and everybody else is here to serve us. You dont realize til you leave or reach a certain point of enlightment that Americans are told "This is the Greatest Country in the World" their whole lives, until you honestly could never fathom of a place as perfect as America
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jul 08, 2008, 02:29 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 08, 2008, 12:49 PM
I agree that the US is no where near as prestigious as we used to be. But that's not to say we wont ever get our luster back.
that's what i am trying to say. I think China is right up there now , as a world power.
But you mention the military, which I idiotically completely overlooked....we still know how to fight. And we have some amazing weapons technology
Their are only 10 nuclear powered aircraft carriers in the entire world. The US has 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. All 10 of them, that is a tremendous amount of power. We have 12 carriers all together.
And THIS!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Ridge,_Tennessee
LOL
yay! manhattan project!
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jul 09, 2008, 01:00 AM
yay! manhattan project!
funny story, my mom sold a stove to oppenheimer and she had to come to house to show him how it worked ;D
I can't wait until the US is a third world cunt tree.
Quote from: 13hourstoparadise on Jul 11, 2008, 11:31 PM
I can't wait until the US is a third world cunt tree.
mmmm cunt tree
all america has is american idol
Quote from: Variable on Jul 08, 2008, 09:05 PM
are only 10 nuclear powered aircraft carriers in the entire world. The US has 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. All 10 of them, that is a tremendous amount of power. We have 12 carriers all together.
Wow! Cool