I've just found this opinion from one dude (music fan, btw) and now i'm thinking again and again about it. It just take all my thoughts
He said (wrote, it's on one board) the following:
Quotekid yourself all you want but music has never brought anything but romantic fantasies to the minds of the whole population and tricked us into believing something that's not true: there's something that connects all of us. some people describe music as the universal language but they're just blind, we're communicating for escapism and listening for escapism. it's a cruel gag we've been playing on ourselves since the first beat of a drum was beat and rhythm was born. and now with the current trend in music to listen to as many possible artists as you can fit in one computer there isn't even a sense of community. we're alienating ourselves and it's sickening.
So far, i haven't found anything wrong in these arguments. DO WE really kid ourselves? Is music really so fucking overrated thing?
Goddamn, why did i read this.
Quote from: Zevaka on Dec 17, 2007, 05:10 PM
I've just found this opinion from one dude (music fan, btw) and now i'm thinking again and again about it. It just take all my thoughts
He said (wrote, it's on one board) the following:
Quotekid yourself all you want but music has never brought anything but romantic fantasies to the minds of the whole population and tricked us into believing something that's not true: there's something that connects all of us. some people describe music as the universal language but they're just blind, we're communicating for escapism and listening for escapism. it's a cruel gag we've been playing on ourselves since the first beat of a drum was beat and rhythm was born. and now with the current trend in music to listen to as many possible artists as you can fit in one computer there isn't even a sense of community. we're alienating ourselves and it's sickening.
So far, i haven't found anything wrong in these arguments. DO WE really kid ourselves? Is music really so fucking overrated thing?
Goddamn, why did i read this.
its both as far as i'm concerned. i see your mike patton sig and know your a fan of his work. so am i, and thats enough to start a conversation. people come together and bond on common interests.
but at the same time i can listen to mr. bungle and "escape" into my own world and have a totally different experiece from the music than you mught have.
all entertainment is a form of escapism. you could have said the same thing about any media. i think its what separates us from animals, the ability to find meaning in the meaningless. I dont think music, or any entertainment, is overrated. i think it is essential to our mental well being to be able to "escape" and forget about what ills us. this is probably why the cavemen did it. can u imagine how stressful it was to be a caveman? as for alienation, how is getting closer to each other alienating. we all have access to music and ideas we didnt even have 5 years ago. you could say the dearth of choices is overwhelming, but alienating? i dont think so, unless youre part of a clique and cant accept other forms of music.
anyway, you should know that the only universal language is math
blah blah blah.
music is amazing.
end.
Quote from: goldpony on Dec 17, 2007, 07:18 PM
anyway, you should know that the only universal language is math
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of course music do, its all about a context, maybe caveman never worried about being bored cuz they didnt have a context about "music", o well beyond the music as an universal language it got used as good for ideological state apparatuses, just like internet or any kind of media as it's been said, some times i just laugh at it cuz there's not a thing such an "escape"
music is just creative expression. nothing more, nothing less. an aural glimpse into another human being's psyche. here's another way to express one's self:
http://www.flurl.com/item/Hatchet_vs_Genitals_u_199612
The only thing I agree on is the fact that mp3s makes us even less connected with it all. That's why for all my favourite bands I still get the cds. I find the cds to be far more satisfying than the mp3s on my computer. I listen to them more, get more involved in the music and the artists behind them, I just FEEL them more.
And I think we listen to music for it gets us closer to our OWN feelings. I don't listen to it to connect with others.
I think people is expecting too much from music.
They expect it to be the hero of their life, to teach them, to tell them how they should feel, think, what to do, how to solve their problems...that shows how poor is our selfsteem. Every people that gets sad just hear some song like waiting to be cured, or somehing like this. I don't know, it's just my idea.
Quote from: Deftones-argentina on Dec 19, 2007, 02:07 AM
I think people is expecting too much from music.
They expect it to be the hero of their life, to teach them, to tell them how they should feel, think, what to do, how to solve their problems...that shows how poor is our selfsteem. Every people that gets sad just hear some song like waiting to be cured, or somehing like this. I don't know, it's just my idea.
You sumed it up quite nicely.
Yes, music is a form of escapism, but what is wrong with that.
I'd rather listen to music than watch the crap on TV.
Quote from: emotivelotion on Dec 17, 2007, 08:03 PMmaybe caveman never worried about being bored cuz they didnt have a context about "music"
Or maybe they were to busy scavaging for food , ducking dinosaurs and beating the shit out of Cavewhores for poon.
this thread is retarded .
Lock it.
Quote from: goldpony on Dec 17, 2007, 07:18 PM
all entertainment is a form of escapism. you could have said the same thing about any media. i think its what separates us from animals, the ability to find meaning in the meaningless. I dont think music, or any entertainment, is overrated. i think it is essential to our mental well being to be able to "escape" and forget about what ills us. this is probably why the cavemen did it. can u imagine how stressful it was to be a caveman? as for alienation, how is getting closer to each other alienating. we all have access to music and ideas we didnt even have 5 years ago. you could say the dearth of choices is overwhelming, but alienating? i dont think so, unless youre part of a clique and cant accept other forms of music.
anyway, you should know that the only universal language is math
Intelligently expressed. I agree.
Quote from: occipudding on Dec 17, 2007, 09:20 PM
http://www.flurl.com/item/Hatchet_vs_Genitals_u_199612
dude what the fuck is wrong with those people??? i hurt too much to even watch, wtf! lol
holy shit that was wrong lol
heres an idea. stop listening to all of your music. and we will see if somethings missing. oh. have fun driving
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Dec 20, 2007, 02:29 AM
oh. have fun driving
you could listen to talk shows :(
Music saves, art saves me.
Without music I would be probably dead.
Music conect us with the feeling we have when we are with a girl, when we where high or drunk.
Today is not the best music era, but fuck it we can listen every kind of bands from 60s 70s.
When the music is over, turn off the lights.
locked.
Quote from: oldgentlovecraft on Dec 19, 2007, 02:22 PM
holy shit that was wrong lol
yeah man, im not even gonna kid around and say i was the 3rd one. my genitals are right where they should be... firmly tucked between my legs after having envisioned the horrid grotesqueness that is on the internet.
Quote from: Corleone on Dec 20, 2007, 03:03 AM
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Dec 20, 2007, 02:29 AM
oh. have fun driving
you could listen to talk shows :(
most of the time i'm driving alone, so i play music pretty loud.
driving with no music on would suck.
what if all music was just one continuous note.... wooooowwwww
music is music
it duznt hav to mean anything
it only has to sound good to the person listening to it
Quote from: Atomic on Dec 22, 2007, 09:56 AM
music is music
it duznt hav to mean anything
it only has to sound good to the person listening to it
or at least the people who own radio and tv companies
everybody is forgetting about the artist who obviously has communicated a feeling or motif, otherwise you wouldn't be talking about it. to say that this comment is a universality is false but to say people who feel this way may subconsciously want to affect people in the same capacity is something worth talking about.
dont like it? turn off the stereo
LOCK THIS THREAD NOW
smart, u come up with that all by yorself? ::)
Quote from: Zevaka on Dec 17, 2007, 05:10 PM
I've just found this opinion from one dude (music fan, btw) and now i'm thinking again and again about it. It just take all my thoughts
He said (wrote, it's on one board) the following:
Quotekid yourself all you want but music has never brought anything but romantic fantasies to the minds of the whole population and tricked us into believing something that's not true: there's something that connects all of us. some people describe music as the universal language but they're just blind, we're communicating for escapism and listening for escapism. it's a cruel gag we've been playing on ourselves since the first beat of a drum was beat and rhythm was born. and now with the current trend in music to listen to as many possible artists as you can fit in one computer there isn't even a sense of community. we're alienating ourselves and it's sickening.
So far, i haven't found anything wrong in these arguments. DO WE really kid ourselves? Is music really so fucking overrated thing?
Goddamn, why did i read this.
I think that quote is the biggest load of BS I've ever seen. It sounds like whoever thought to type up a piece of garbage like that has no idea what they're talking about and secondly, for some reason wants to turn the idea of listening to music into some sort of philosophy theory.
This person sounds a little bitter about something to me. Why not just take it for what it is? Music is Music. Has anyone here ever heard anyone say that they don't like music? People might not like all kinds of music, but as a whole, I've never come across a human being that didn't like music. It is a universal language. No matter what language you speak or what culture you come from, music is still music.
We're communicating for escapism and listening for escapism??? WTF? So what? Music isn't the only art form, or form of expression that allows human beings to do so. We'd all be murdering each other is we didn't have some sort of outlet.
And this person can't be serious by saying that we're alienating ourselves by listening to as many artists as we can fit on a computer. Really? Why isn't this person at a museum all pissed off that they put as many paintings by different artists that they could fit in that building. I think it's the computers themselves, communicating through text message, email and cell phones rather than face to face. Calling any company and having to go through 15 minutes or recorded menus...that's what isolates us. Music has been around for how long now and this genius basically just cited having 5000 mp3s in your itunes as the reason for human isolation. If you think about it, music is still one of the few things that brings people together in the world.
I don't think we're kidding ourselves at all. If you love music, keep listening. Go back and read that quote again and again until you realize how ridiculous it is. This sounds like it's coming from the same type of person who would want to narrow down the cause of a school shooting to what video games a kid was playing and how many Marilyn Manson cds someone owns.
*nods politely* ;D Shaye is smart
Quote from: Atomic on Dec 26, 2007, 04:14 PM
*nods politely* ;D Shaye is smart
Thank you, thank you.
That whole music quote got me all fired up. I actually read it a few days ago and thought about it before I responded with my thoughts. Ugh.... >:(
Quote from: Shaye on Dec 26, 2007, 04:02 PM
Has anyone here ever heard anyone say that they don't like music? People might not like all kinds of music, but as a whole, I've never come across a human being that didn't like music.
deaf people don't like music
Quote from: occipudding on Dec 27, 2007, 01:45 AM
Quote from: Shaye on Dec 26, 2007, 04:02 PM
Has anyone here ever heard anyone say that they don't like music? People might not like all kinds of music, but as a whole, I've never come across a human being that didn't like music.
deaf people don't like music
LMAO...I want to think of something clever to say in response to this, but I can't.
Oh well, you know what I mean.
Quote from: occipudding on Dec 27, 2007, 01:45 AM
Quote from: Shaye on Dec 26, 2007, 04:02 PM
Has anyone here ever heard anyone say that they don't like music? People might not like all kinds of music, but as a whole, I've never come across a human being that didn't like music.
deaf people don't like music
ive actually met deaf people who like music. they just dont like it in a traditional sense...mostly the vibrations from the speaker (not in a sexual way). sorta like a blind person can see you by feeling your face, kinda the same thing.
Quote from: goldpony on Dec 27, 2007, 09:53 PM
ive actually met deaf people who like music. they just dont like it in a traditional sense...mostly the vibrations from the speaker (not in a sexual way).
HAHAHAHA ;D SPEAKER SEX
Quote from: goldpony on Dec 27, 2007, 09:53 PM
Quote from: occipudding on Dec 27, 2007, 01:45 AM
Quote from: Shaye on Dec 26, 2007, 04:02 PM
Has anyone here ever heard anyone say that they don't like music? People might not like all kinds of music, but as a whole, I've never come across a human being that didn't like music.
deaf people don't like music
ive actually met deaf people who like music. they just dont like it in a traditional sense...mostly the vibrations from the speaker (not in a sexual way). sorta like a blind person can see you by feeling your face, kinda the same thing.
umm, don't quote me on this... but i think you are very gullible person
"wow, that song felt really good!" HAHAHAHA
i luv u occipudding :)
was that directed at me?
Quote from: occipudding on Dec 29, 2007, 03:03 AM
Quote from: goldpony on Dec 27, 2007, 09:53 PM
Quote from: occipudding on Dec 27, 2007, 01:45 AM
Quote from: Shaye on Dec 26, 2007, 04:02 PM
Has anyone here ever heard anyone say that they don't like music? People might not like all kinds of music, but as a whole, I've never come across a human being that didn't like music.
deaf people don't like music
ive actually met deaf people who like music. they just dont like it in a traditional sense...mostly the vibrations from the speaker (not in a sexual way). sorta like a blind person can see you by feeling your face, kinda the same thing.
umm, don't quote me on this... but i think you are very gullible person
"wow, that song felt really good!" HAHAHAHA
like i said they dont listen in a traditional sense, but they can pick up on different frequencies in the vibration, not only from a sub but from tweeters too. not all deaf people do it, but i have
known some
Quote from: goldpony on Dec 29, 2007, 09:53 PM
Quote from: occipudding on Dec 29, 2007, 03:03 AM
Quote from: goldpony on Dec 27, 2007, 09:53 PM
Quote from: occipudding on Dec 27, 2007, 01:45 AM
Quote from: Shaye on Dec 26, 2007, 04:02 PM
Has anyone here ever heard anyone say that they don't like music? People might not like all kinds of music, but as a whole, I've never come across a human being that didn't like music.
deaf people don't like music
ive actually met deaf people who like music. they just dont like it in a traditional sense...mostly the vibrations from the speaker (not in a sexual way). sorta like a blind person can see you by feeling your face, kinda the same thing.
umm, don't quote me on this... but i think you are very gullible person
"wow, that song felt really good!" HAHAHAHA
like i said they dont listen in a traditional sense, but they can pick up on different frequencies in the vibration, not only from a sub but from tweeters too. not all deaf people do it, but i have known some
you know some perverted deaf people
Quote from: Atomic on Dec 29, 2007, 01:32 PM
i luv u occipudding :)
was that directed at me?
in the words of the rza, "huh?" on a side note though, i hate it when you leave but i love to watch you go
...to the bathroom
and i hate yor leavings but i love to watch u go :P
http://www.amazon.com/This-Your-Brain-Music-Obsession/dp/0452288525/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199600448&sr=8-1
Quotehe discusses neurobiology, neuropsychology, cognitive psychology, empirical philosophy, Gestalt psychology, memory theory, categorization theory, neurochemistry, and exemplar theory in relation to music theory and history in a manner that will draw in teens.
i bet he duz ::)
Don't be upset if you can't understand english.
i'v never been upset about it, fo' shizzle boi ;D
but why read about how to enjoy music wen i already know how