6 shot dead, including gunman, at Northern Illinois University
DEKALB, Illinois (CNN) -- A gunman dressed in black stepped from behind a curtain at the front of a large lecture hall at Northern Illinois University on Thursday and shot 21 people, five of them fatally, then shot and killed himself, said university president John Peters.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/02/14/university.shooting/index.html
What a wonderful world.
holy shit another mass murder at school. damn world
is What a wonderful world a psychedelic song?
louis armstrong
it's sickening.
so what band(s) did they blame it on this time?
Gosh, you know this is not keeping me motivated to get my masters in education so I can teach. No, not at all. :(
It fucking sucks,really. I have 2 kids,and am terrified that some shit like this will happen to them one day . Schools need to have more security. Fuck getting tax money back to "boost the economy",use it to up the security.We will have no economy TO boost if this shit keeps happening.
This is the 4th school shooting this week ALONE in the US. Obviously with the elections going on the news felt it not of any importance to report this as it should have been. Hooray for selective media. ::)
one more reason why the US will vote to have big brother watch them
isn't it normal? isn't it just another event during a school year? like a graduation day? I guess so.
I'm sure there will be at least one-two more such eventful days.
People should be allowed to carry concealed pistols.
Quote from: untz untz untz on Feb 15, 2008, 11:21 PM
People should be allowed to carry concealed pistols.
they are in certain states, like mine
mine too...and I heard something about them letting people take them into bars now...as long as they aren't drinking?!?!?!? Mmmk..........
2003 - 598
2004 - 448
2005 - 448
2006 - 467
2007 - 443
this is so sad...
Quote from: aenemic on Feb 15, 2008, 09:46 AM
it's sickening.
so what band(s) did they blame it on this time?
good question, marylin manson is not longer on target i guess
Quote from: devilinside on Feb 15, 2008, 05:43 PM
Schools need to have more security.
Schools shouldn't need security. Get rid of them guns.
Yeah,but we know that's impossible since you can order them anywhere.
that's the problem. But seriously a weapon like this fella must have used shouldn't be available to the public. If he tried that shit with a hunting rifle or something he would get max two hits in before getting kicked in the crotch.
I don't see any reason for rapid firing automatic weapons to be available to the public at all.
I still don't get why the fuck it's like a "psych trend" in the US to grab a semi-automatic gun and kill people at a university/school.
You motherfuckers, if you want to drain rage, go and play counter-strike or halo 3.
Hello kelly *muah* I haven't talked to you in ages :( <- random chat.
keep selling guns like they were candies Americans.
i dont see this kind of situation happening anywhere else in the world (ok, theres some exceptions).
they can blame who the hell they want to, but i dont see artist giving them full acess to guns , they are only throwing words. fight the real problem. get rid of the gun system. oh yeah Michael Moore... another motive to do a doc
sad, just sad
Quote from: spitfire on Feb 16, 2008, 04:55 AM
keep selling guns like they were candies Americans.
i dont see this kind of situation happening anywhere else in the world (ok, theres some exceptions).
they can blame who the hell they want to, but i dont see artist giving them full acess to guns , they are only throwing words. fight the real problem. get rid of the gun system. oh yeah Michael Moore... another motive to do a doc
sad, just sad
agreed. it boggles my mind that it's still so easy to get a gun in the US, even after all these shootings.
they blame all emo bands now especially MCR
you guys are idiots if you think getting rid of guns all together would solve the problem. Obviously the people who we are having problems with are people who dont give two shits about the law. So maybe if we make another law against guns they will follow that one? Yeah that makes a lot of sense ::)
Quote from: Variable on Feb 17, 2008, 09:23 AM
you guys are idiots if you think getting rid of guns all together would solve the problem.
Getting rid of guns would solve the problem, good luck getting rid of them though.
Just like getting rid of drugs will solve that problem. Not gonna happen.
remember, the founders of the US made it our constitutional right to bear arms....in case those goddamn europeans try to attack again and take our freedom ;D
Quote from: Crazylegs on Feb 17, 2008, 03:14 PM
Quote from: Variable on Feb 17, 2008, 09:23 AM
you guys are idiots if you think getting rid of guns all together would solve the problem.
Getting rid of guns would solve the problem, good luck getting rid of them though.
you know, there are no guns in prison, but people are still murdered there.
but you are right about getting rid of them. All the law abiding citizens in america would be unarmed. But criminals would continue to be criminals and break the law and purchase weapons outside the law. If you guys think making a law against guns would solve the problem, why not just one up it. Lets make a law against killing people. Since everyone obeys every law that we make, that would totally work ::)
Quote from: Variable on Feb 19, 2008, 01:31 PM
Quote from: Crazylegs on Feb 17, 2008, 03:14 PM
Quote from: Variable on Feb 17, 2008, 09:23 AM
you guys are idiots if you think getting rid of guns all together would solve the problem.
Getting rid of guns would solve the problem, good luck getting rid of them though.
you know, there are no guns in prison, but people are still murdered there.
but you are right about getting rid of them. All the law abiding citizens in america would be unarmed. But criminals would continue to be criminals and break the law and purchase weapons outside the law. If you guys think making a law against guns would solve the problem, why not just one up it. Lets make a law against killing people. Since everyone obeys every law that we make, that would totally work ::)
Damn man, for once, wow you say is complete uber stupid shit... Usually, whether I agree with you or not, it's sort of brained and thought of. But how can you seriously believe in the talk you just had ?
Obviously having freely available weapons everywhere increases murder rate... That's so obvious that I still cannot believe you think otherwise...
If guns are prohibited, obviously, some people will still manage to get some, but it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less...
I'm disappointed Variable...
Quote from: tarkil on Feb 19, 2008, 03:10 PM
Quote from: Variable on Feb 19, 2008, 01:31 PM
Quote from: Crazylegs on Feb 17, 2008, 03:14 PM
Quote from: Variable on Feb 17, 2008, 09:23 AM
you guys are idiots if you think getting rid of guns all together would solve the problem.
Getting rid of guns would solve the problem, good luck getting rid of them though.
you know, there are no guns in prison, but people are still murdered there.
but you are right about getting rid of them. All the law abiding citizens in america would be unarmed. But criminals would continue to be criminals and break the law and purchase weapons outside the law. If you guys think making a law against guns would solve the problem, why not just one up it. Lets make a law against killing people. Since everyone obeys every law that we make, that would totally work ::)
Damn man, for once, wow you say is complete uber stupid shit... Usually, whether I agree with you or not, it's sort of brained and thought of. But how can you seriously believe in the talk you just had ?
Obviously having freely available weapons everywhere increases murder rate... That's so obvious that I still cannot believe you think otherwise...
If guns are prohibited, obviously, some people will still manage to get some, but it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less...
I'm disappointed Variable...
i agree with takil. if you look at violent crime stats, countries were firearms are banned (like the UK) are much much lower than the US. I still support the 2nd ammendment tho, im just for really strict controls.
He has a gun in his avatar, of course he's supporting them!
Quote from: Penicks on Feb 19, 2008, 07:23 PM
He has a gun in his avatar, of course he's supporting them!
yeah I know right
I'm gonna have to agree with a Variable on this one. Where there's a will there's a way. People here would still find anyway possible to get guns. Criminals can already get them illegally, crazy hilljack militia fanatics would freak out and stockpile more than they already do, and because they were banned more idiots would go out and find a way to buy one just to be rebellious. And it's not always about the m.o. because if guns were banned they would just use something else. It's in their nature and a gun ban wouldn't do much to decrease our crime rate.
I really don't see the full outlaw of guns probable in the United States; it may work for other countries, but it's inevitable that the instance the ban is implemented, people will be pulling out the "freedom of defense" card... which I think is bullshit when that privilege has been abused. There are alternative ways of protection.
If anything, security and and regulations need to be heightened because when you don't feel safe on a college campus, that's a major warning that something is wrong.
yeah, it will never be illegal in this conutry to own a gun. it is a basic right spelled out in out constitution. its really hard to overturn an amendmant, especially that one. cause, you know, everyone needs to be able to hunt deer with a semi-automatic rifle
Quote from: goldpony on Feb 20, 2008, 06:20 PM
yeah, it will never be illegal in this conutry to own a gun. it is a basic right spelled out in out constitution. its really hard to overturn an amendmant, especially that one. cause, you know, everyone needs to be able to hunt deer with a semi-automatic rifle
Seriously. I mean, look how hard it was to ban alcohol during the prohibition in this country. And that had nothing to do with constitutional rights.
Hello people, Alcohol and Guns are not the same kind of things... Guns FUCKING KILL people (ok so does alcohol, but timeframe might be slightly different...)
We are fucking talking about free availibility of objects used to kill each other... Don't fucking act like it's normal, just in case you need to fucking defend yourself from something... You americans are way too paranoid...
Banning guns won't stop people from getting them. I think its fine to have a gun for protection, I just think certain types of firearms really don't need to be available to the public legally, and the obvious tightening of the rules and laws making it possible to purchase a gun. There really is no need for a civilian to own a rapid fire weapon, protection or not.
Quote from: tarkil on Feb 21, 2008, 04:42 AM
Hello people, Alcohol and Guns are not the same kind of things... Guns FUCKING KILL people (ok so does alcohol, but timeframe might be slightly different...)
We are fucking talking about free availibility of objects used to kill each other... Don't fucking act like it's normal, just in case you need to fucking defend yourself from something... You americans are way too paranoid...
I didn't mean to imply that they were the same thing. I was just pointing out that it was so hard to ban alcohol and that was just a drink. Banning guns would be much harder, being that it's part of the constitution and secondly that it would be hard to enforce, just like alcohol or drugs.
I agree that alcohol takes longer to kill a person if you're referring to getting liver disease from drinking too much for example. However alcohol kills a large amount of people just as quickly as any bullet to the head would if you think about drunk driving fatalities.
I don't have a very strong opinion on gun control either way because firearms happen to not be a part of my life. But I just agree that it would be very difficult to enforce any type of ban on them, here in the US.
Quote from: kreepercamikaze on Feb 21, 2008, 04:51 AMBanning guns won't stop people from getting them.
Actually yes.... It will be waaaaaaaay harder, and therefore only accessible to a tiny tiny little minority of people...
Quote from: kreepercamikaze on Feb 21, 2008, 04:51 AMI think its fine to have a gun for protection
Out of curiosity, protection against what ?
Quote from: tarkil on Feb 21, 2008, 04:42 AM
Hello people, Alcohol and Guns are not the same kind of things... Guns FUCKING KILL people (ok so does alcohol, but timeframe might be slightly different...)
We are fucking talking about free availibility of objects used to kill each other... Don't fucking act like it's normal, just in case you need to fucking defend yourself from something... You americans are way too paranoid...
Guns don't fire themselves. If you take away guns people are just going to find something else to commit crimes with. Hell maybe we should just so people have to get a bit more creative. I can't wait to see the day when crazy militia fucks run around with chainsaws instead of assault rifles.
Quote from: oldgentlovecraft on Feb 21, 2008, 05:10 AM
Quote from: tarkil on Feb 21, 2008, 04:42 AM
Hello people, Alcohol and Guns are not the same kind of things... Guns FUCKING KILL people (ok so does alcohol, but timeframe might be slightly different...)
We are fucking talking about free availibility of objects used to kill each other... Don't fucking act like it's normal, just in case you need to fucking defend yourself from something... You americans are way too paranoid...
Guns don't fire themselves. If you take away guns people are just going to find something else to commit crimes with. Hell maybe we should just so people have to get a bit more creative. I can't wait to see the day when crazy militia fucks run around with chainsaws instead of assault rifles.
Haha. Just look at the shit prison inmates use as weapons, and resources are much more limited to them than any free citizen. A human can kill another with a shoelace if he/she wanted to. Granted, it's easier to fight off someone with a shoelace, than to dodge bullets. Still, while I agree that obtaining a firearm should be tougher and more resticted, I just think a ban would be impossible to enforce. But who knows?
Quote from: oldgentlovecraft on Feb 21, 2008, 05:10 AM
I can't wait to see the day when crazy militia fucks run around with chainsaws instead of assault rifles.
Well at least it's fun... ;)
Plus I'm way less scared of someone with a 20 kgs chainsaw than with a gun...
i was watching future weapons last night and i saw a taser that can be fired out of a shotgun. it was awesome. and remember
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Quote from: tarkil on Feb 21, 2008, 05:06 AM
Quote from: kreepercamikaze on Feb 21, 2008, 04:51 AMBanning guns won't stop people from getting them.
Actually yes.... It will be waaaaaaaay harder, and therefore only accessible to a tiny tiny little minority of people...
Quote from: kreepercamikaze on Feb 21, 2008, 04:51 AMI think its fine to have a gun for protection
Out of curiosity, protection against what ?
No. Banning something does not make it impossible to get, if there was a ban set at this point, it would be pretty much useless because of the weapons people already have at this point. What are they going to do? Confiscate every gun from every registered gun owner in the country? Even then, people owning guns illegally would still have them, and illegal gun owners out number legal gun owners by miles. Besides if someone wants to kill someone else, they'll find a way to do it, gun or no gun.
My mother owns a handgun for protection from 2 of her homicidal ex's. One of which held her hostage at knife point and attempted to beat her to death after she moved halfway across the country to get away from him and he tracked her down. If the neighbors had not have called the police she would have been killed. She did not own a gun at the time and did not believe in carrying one and was a strict supporter of gun control before then. Lets just say a few experiences changed her mind a bit, as well as my own.
ok tarkil. Lets break this down k. I have thought about this for a really long time. But it does not seem that you have.
1st. Banning something does not make it impossible to get. Pot is illegal in the US and most of the world. But ill bet that 99% of this board will smoke some today. Prohibition is a great example of what happens when you make something illegal in America. And it would not stop the crimes. My point was simply that saying a law against weapons would stop people from purchasing weapons is the same as saying a law against murder would stop murder. It just does not make any sense.
2nd. The problem is not with the weapons, its with the people. If you look at most criminal shootings. They are not done with registered weapons. They are done with weapons that were purchased illegally. So that means that if you are a law abiding citizen and just want a gun, and you go through all the legal hoops to get this gun, then you are less likely to break the law. However those people with no respect for the law no only get guns illegally, but they also use them in a criminal manner. So simple logic will tell you that if you made a law banning guns. The law abiding citizens would obey, but the assholes who didnt care about any other law will still purchase fire arms and still commit crimes with them.
3rd. I understand what you are trying to say about if there were less guns available. It would be much harder to obtain them, thus crime would go down. Um, no. Not in the US anyways. Ever seen Lord of War? I mean you could count on about 1000 other guys like him providing weapons to Americans who wanted them. Guaranteed. Because where there is money to be made, people will go. Just like the drug trade. Not to mention that the military and Law enforcement agents would still have to be armed. So now just to be a cop you would have to worry about some cracked out ass hole breaking into your house and holding a knife to your kids throat just so that he could get your 9mm to go rob a 711.....what a wonderful world.
4th. IT is a proven fact that criminals will take a soft target over a hard target given the choice. Ill use a popular piece of fiction to illistrate this. Pulp Fiction. The opening scene. We have two armed criminals who are planning a robery. Now they are in a restaurant and realize that most normal people do not carry a weapon with them to breakfast. And most restaurants do not have armed guards. Hmmm, easy target. So they try to rob it. However everyones favorie disco dancer and mother fucking black man were armed. And they mannaged to secure their property because of it. I mean think about it. If you are really hard up for money and you are going to rob someone. YOu see me on one street corner and goldpony on the other. You know that there is a good chance that I have a .45 tucked into my back. And you know that there is a good chance that the only thing goldpony has on him is a snickers. Who are you going to go after? So the point is that if there is a ban on firearms. Criminals will KNOW that the majority of citizens will not be armed. Makes for a much easier day for the bad guys.
5th. You asked "protection from what?" well us americans are not so paranoid. There are a lot of violent crimes in america. And I feel that I should have the right to defend myself. Such as if someone in the class room had been carrying a firearm that day, maybe the gun man would have dropped before he could even get 3 shots off. Who knows? But schools are popular targets because people know that it is illegal to carry fire arms on campus. Hmmmm violent crimes in places where weapons are banned....hmmmmm
6th. Ill get one thing clear. I am not against gun control. But the problem with gun control in America, just like every other problem in america. Is that we have two extreme majorities. One who wants all weapons gone , and the other that wants all to be leagal. And each side thinks that if they let up even a little bit, that it is a slippery slope and they will lose the cause all together. People just need to fucking grow up and learn to compromise. No not everyone needs 50 caliber sniper rifles. No not everyone needs a m4 or ak47. Not fully auto anyways. But I dont see anything wrong with allowing people to own hunting rifles and shot guns. Even conceled hand guns for protection. But like I said, people have to grow up.
7th. Someone nailed it on the head. This would never work in America. Every culture has their stereotypes. Ours is that we are gun slinging ass holes who fight people just for the hell of it. We are a gun culture to our roots. And thats that. It will never change.
hope that helps to show why im not so crazy and stupid.
^^ Bravo.
Quote from: Variable on Feb 22, 2008, 12:18 PM
YOu see me on one street corner and goldpony on the other. You know that there is a good chance that I have a .45 tucked into my back. And you know that there is a good chance that the only thing goldpony has on him is a snickers. Who are you going to go after?
i will fuck some fuckers up with a snickers, beyotch
Quote from: goldpony on Feb 22, 2008, 03:55 PM
Quote from: Variable on Feb 22, 2008, 12:18 PM
YOu see me on one street corner and goldpony on the other. You know that there is a good chance that I have a .45 tucked into my back. And you know that there is a good chance that the only thing goldpony has on him is a snickers. Who are you going to go after?
i will fuck some fuckers up with a snickers, beyotch
Well I just found my SL members quote of the day...
Quote from: Variable on Feb 22, 2008, 12:18 PM
1st. Banning something does not make it impossible to get. Pot is illegal in the US and most of the world. But ill bet that 99% of this board will smoke some today.
will and have
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Feb 22, 2008, 08:19 PM
Quote from: Variable on Feb 22, 2008, 12:18 PM
1st. Banning something does not make it impossible to get. Pot is illegal in the US and most of the world. But ill bet that 99% of this board will smoke some today.
will and have
+1
Variable, thanks for your effort...
Unfortunately I'm too lazy to do the same kind of thing as written arguing sucks cocks in my book...
So I'll be brief, and just precise my thoughts on this quickly.
Indeed, you do sound less crazy and stupid.
Thing is I do agree with you : banning guns wouldn't work in the US. That's obvious seeing that everyone and their mother already have a gun, and is used to it...
I was more talking about an "abstract" state of things : having guns distributed freely => more criminality. As simple as that.
Couple of things :
Quote from: Variable on Feb 22, 2008, 12:18 PM
us americans are not so paranoid.
Quote from: Variable on Feb 22, 2008, 12:18 PM
So now just to be a cop you would have to worry about some cracked out ass hole breaking into your house and holding a knife to your kids throat just so that he could get your 9mm to go rob a 711.....what a wonderful world.
-> I never feared having a crackhead breaking into my house to threaten me ever... And never will.
For real you guys are paranoid... Nothing bad with that, I guess that if I was leaving in a place where I know everyone has the ability to erase me from earth in a second, I guess I'd be
the same. Even if you don't feel it, I swear man, you guys do live in a fear mind state.
Sorry I'm really too lazy to really develop more than that, I wish we were talking about that around some nice vodka, then I'd be fully motivated, but arguing over the internet just sucks man...
Oh, and last thing : not having guns available everywhere works in every other country of the world... ;)
that's just cuz you guys don't have the second amendment, duh
Quote from: tarkil on Feb 23, 2008, 06:56 AM
-> I never feared having a crackhead breaking into my house to threaten me ever... And never will.
For real you guys are paranoid... Nothing bad with that, I guess that if I was leaving in a place where I know everyone has the ability to erase me from earth in a second, I guess I'd be
the same. Even if you don't feel it, I swear man, you guys do live in a fear mind state.
Stories a lot crazier than that have happened close to my house. And I lived in nice neighborhoods. But if you ban guns and a desperate individual wants a gun. They will know where to find them. Thats asking a lot of public defenders.
Quote from: tarkil on Feb 23, 2008, 06:56 AM
Sorry I'm really too lazy to really develop more than that, I wish we were talking about that around some nice vodka, then I'd be fully motivated, but arguing over the internet just sucks man...
and word to that man. Im sure we would all sound way more intelligent if we were actually in person and we would all probably be having a lot more fun if we had a bottle of vodka.
but as far as banning guns in other parts of the world "working" I have seen contradicting reports on that. The NRA says that crime has sky rocketed everywhere that guns have been banned. Then some crazy liberal "we want all weapons on earth melted and turned into hood ordainments in the shape of a peace sign" group says that its 100% crime free now that guns are gone. So I mean I really dont know what to believe
Trey, well put....
Guns in the wrong hands are, well, in the wrong hands. Simple. The fucking NRA needs to stop preaching fear. I hate guns and war of all forms.
Both of my shoulders are tattoo'd with broken general stars. If I was drafted I would not fire a single shot and I would proudly die knowing I never aimed to kill an innocient person... However, if I was placed in that situation I'm sure my outlook would be the polar oppisite.
I owned a gun for two weeks. I drive an M3 and some drunk fucks in seattle jay walked and called me a yuppy faggot. First I have a temper, second, I'm 6'2 and love to get into fist fights. But this night I stopped so quick to avoid these kids that the 9mm hit me in the back of the heels... I played off the name calling when one dude lifted his arms to smack my hood. I got out of my car with the 9mm and told at least 6 or 7 of the drunk fucks to line againist the wall. I told them they were luckey that the gun isn't loaded and I wasn't crazy enough to kill them. I told them to learn from their mistake... I think one of the shit his pants. Anyway, a cop drove by, I got in my car and 7 miles later off the exit I was arrested. Luckey for me those kids (well, they were not kids, mid 20's) got in a cab so I was let go after spending 6 hours in a holding cell....
To sum it up, I'm not one to hold a gun, wrong hands.... Point should be taken. Trey obviously is trained, and I respect that, now him choking to death is well, his dumbass... Sorry, I couldn't resist. :)
http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm
oh well read all this replies, still no one can argue against statistics
@ Variable you say that every citizen should have a gun to be protected against thiefs. just a suggestion then, maybe police departments should be extinguished, so we can all secure maximum security with automatic guns.
america strange land
Quote from: 13hourstoparadise on Feb 24, 2008, 05:30 PM
Trey, well put....
Guns in the wrong hands are, well, in the wrong hands. Simple. The fucking NRA needs to stop preaching fear. I hate guns and war of all forms.
Both of my shoulders are tattoo'd with broken general stars. If I was drafted I would not fire a single shot and I would proudly die knowing I never aimed to kill an innocient person... However, if I was placed in that situation I'm sure my outlook would be the polar oppisite.
To sum it up, I'm not one to hold a gun, wrong hands.... Point should be taken. Trey obviously is trained, and I respect that, now him choking to death is well, his dumbass... Sorry, I couldn't resist. :)
the line of who is and who is not innocent is very blurred, or maybe subjective is a better word. But contrary to popular belief the US military is very disciplined when it comes to shooting. Thousands of time a day the US does not shoot some stupid fucker who is being stupid. But the one time a year that something shady happens our judgement gets called out. Its bull shit. And I mean to each his own, but im not calling anyone who is shooting at me innocent. and ill be god dammed if I am going to let someone shoot me without a fight. And I have a feeling you are the same way. You just need to get away from those dam hippies ;)
and you know what im convinced that I will die by choking. That shit has happened like 6 more times to me. I think something is wrong with me but I mean working in medical, then going to medical for help. It just doesn't fit well. Ill ride it out.
Quote from: spitfire on Feb 24, 2008, 06:36 PM
http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm
oh well read all this replies, still no one can argue against statistics
@ Variable you say that every citizen should have a gun to be protected against thiefs. just a suggestion then, maybe police departments should be extinguished, so we can all secure maximum security with automatic guns.
america strange land
well that's one site supporting a ban on guns. Im sure if I had the time I could fine 5 more with stats that say violent crimes go up when you ban guns. Ask any statistician (or whatever you call guys who make stats) You can make the numbers say whatever you want.
and I would like you to quote me where I said everyone should own a gun. Because im almost positive that I did not. I also specifically said that I dont think automatic weapons should necessarily be legal. I believe police SHOULD have superior weapons than the public. However cops are not always right there at the time you need defense. At that point, I dont see a problem with a person holding a concealed to carry licence having a gun tucked away.
if you want to throw some stats around. Find out how many violent crimes were committed with automatic weapons last year in the US. I know off the top of my head that zero crimes were committed with 50 caliber weapons. But for some reason everyone is calling for a ban on them. The ban on weapons is just as largely based on fear as the NRAs call to keep them legal.
also if you want to throw stats out check out how many of those violent crimes were committed by registered weapons. You will find that most people who go through the trouble of following the rules to purchase a weapon, continue to follow the rules after they purchase the weapon. Proving that criminals purchase the weapons illegally, and use them to committee crimes. So why would you think that they would stop just because of a new crime?
also you can look up that some of the highest murder rates happen in state penitentiaries where there are no firearms available to the inmates. Further proving that a criminal will act as a criminal regardless of the resources available to him or her.
I guess America is strange because a lot of us continue to still make our decisions based on reason?
I have no problems with guns if they are used for the right reasons. I have a pistol in the top of my closet where my kids cant reach,and have never seen it,and a rifle or two also. I would only use the pistol if someone were to break in my house and its just me and my kids here. You enter my house and I dont know you,I'll shoot you.
My children are well educated as far as guns go,my son has a bb gun and KNOWS to keep the safety on when not shooting it. I think if you have guns,you need to inform your kids,and teach them that they are not toys,and not intended to hurt people. I've grown up around guns of all sorts,and never shot up a school. You just gotta be smart about it.
Quote from: devilinside on Feb 24, 2008, 08:48 PM
IYou enter my house and I dont know you,I'll shoot you.
gets a woody
I have to really remember that everyone is not as crazy as me when it comes to issues like this. If it were up to me we would all be living in the wild west again. Gun slinging mother fuckers. Buy of course I know this is not the best for the greater good. So I try to level my head before I speak.
you are right though. The people I know that grew up around guns and were educated with them and saw what the were really capable of were not running around with them trying to prove how big of a man they were by killing some other kid on the block. Education is huge. Well put mrs kelly
why americans love guns
Quote from: deafnotes on Feb 27, 2008, 10:09 AM
why americans love guns
Why are you stupid ?
Some questions will actually never have answers...
ahahahahahahahaha
Quote from: deafnotes on Feb 27, 2008, 10:09 AM
why americans love guns
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plus its the only way we can keep our niggers in line. You Europeans will figure it out when all the Muslims start going naners in your countries.
In all seriousness though I was watching the movie "vacancy" a few weeks ago and I turned to the marine I was watching it with and said "man if Staff Sergeant Gilbert was watching this he would say that none of this would happen if the dude had a concealed to carry permit." And I totally forgot about the whole thing after that. Then yesterday we were getting ready to go on a convoy and we were all bull shitting and this staff sergeant said that he watched the movie Vacancy last night. And so people wanted to know if it was good or not. And he was like, "yeah it was ok, but it was kind of stupid because if he just had a fucking concealed to carry permit he could have just locked the door and shot anyone who walked into the room." well im sure it was a had to be there moment to appreciate how funny it was. But it does illustrate yet another point as to why its not such a bad thing for the good guys to have guns.