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Title: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Corleone on Jun 02, 2008, 11:52 PM
(http://ccn1.net/POTD10/crystal-skulls/crystal-skull-2.jpg)

I was watching the discovery channel last night and ended up seeing a 2 hour show on these crystal skulls. Does anyone here believe in the world ending?

How about the myth that these skulls could prevent the 'Year Zero', December 21st, 2012 as stated by the Mayans?

(http://www.crystalinks.com/cryskulls12around1mayan.jpg)


What about the Robot head found on the Moon?

(http://members.tripod.com/imzadiradenoy/DatasHead.jpg)


How about Mars having pyramids just like earth? Maybe even before?

(http://mars-earth.com/cydonia_eygpt/image002.jpg)


Or the fact that the Asteroid Belt could be a former planet that exploded? Possibly from some type of  war?

(http://www.tqnyc.org/NYC063368/AsteriodBelt.jpg)



The Philidelphia Experiment?

:-\



Anyone have any comment, other myths or conspiracies?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Jun 03, 2008, 12:05 AM
I'm a sucker for these things.

I want to believe.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: bright lights, big city on Jun 03, 2008, 12:12 AM
yes me too, conspiracy theories are so interesting
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: devilinside on Jun 03, 2008, 01:13 AM
I posted about that in the Indiana Jones thread. That show was AWESOME! I <3 Discovery Channel!!!

Quote from: devilinside on May 20, 2008, 10:58 PM
I think it's gonna be a HUGE letdown. :( I LOVE Indiana Jones,but I just dont think they will be near as good as the previous ones. I was watching Discovery Channel and they were talking about how things from the Indiana Jones movies were based on actual facts. Pretty interesting the depth the films went into.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: lostpilot on Jun 03, 2008, 01:27 AM
I do believe in a Change, not the End.
I really believe near 2012 there is going to be a major change in all our lives - this could happen because of a nuclear war, a drastic climate change, an imporant discovery, an unexpected twist in world politics, etc.
Something will happen.

Even though, sometimes the part of me which is a believer thinks about the Mayan Calendar, coincidences with symbols of cultures, history and religion. Somehow some of them lead to 2012.

We're living in a very interesting period of human history. We are the gap between the wars, stagnations, crisis, etc - and now I see myself observing a new downward spiral in human existence. Climate changes, almost cold war, unbelievers turning into believers.. interesting.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: bright lights, big city on Jun 03, 2008, 01:39 AM
that's deep ^^^^
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: wither-I on Jun 03, 2008, 02:38 AM
let our brains not fool us.

never underestimate what lies within, which we have yet to even know.
"Belief" is our greatest testament to "intuitive desire" and a crippling gesture the same.

i know one thing, we. will. evolve..... -AGAIN. think about it. neandertal man lasted a couple of hundred thousand years, and cromagnon man (modern man/us) has only been around for like 80 thousand years... neandertals were the most succesful to date. we may not even outlive their saga. and also we fail to mention the dinosaurs (rather the most succesful species to ever walk the face of earth.) fact.

the face on mars is shit. they have disproved this by higher resolution images... it was just the shadow. or atleast thats what they are telling us.

my theory is the ONLY thing that could save us from ourselves, or infact decimate us the same, is finding extra-terrestrial life. IT WOULD CHANGE EVERYTHING. "earth issues become redundant, and people will realize how insignificant we are" it could be humbling enough for peace, or disastrous enough to commit global conscious suicide the same. some have even said this will be the second coming of God. -pure revelation. we meet God in that he(God) is NOT specific just to us (humans). in a sense we come to know better.

the mayan thing is interesting because it involves a "full eclipse" with the earth sun and moon aligning with a few other planets and the center of the Milky Way galaxy. this causes a disruption in the earth's magnetic field and may in turn cause plate tectonic shifts. figure; Alaska used to be the north pole, and now its not. the last major ice age was said to have occured during this drastic change, with the last eclipse of this measure.

there is also the newest theory that every "some odd" million years there is a "Mass Extinction", and it is caused by an "unknown" planet (of our solar system) which is on an extreme eliptical orbit and only comes into near correspondence with the sun and earth (and other inner-planets) about every 25 million years (though this differs because the orbit is so profound. it is said that this planet would actually be a molten (early-earth-like planet) with a mass accumulation of debris (asteroid rocks) trailing it/ orbiting it,- which, when in close vacinity to earth would literally spray and pummble earth with this debris to cause these mass extinctions. ive heard this new theory is "catching on" with scientists right now, meaning it has some substantial content and holds feasible context.

either way our own sun will kill us as it expands. and our moon will eventually leave orbit with the earth creating calamitous devastation.
then we have gamma ray bursts, super volcanos (that will erupt), imminent asteroid/ comet impacts, black holes (found inside of our own galaxy), and the imminent danger of our neighbor galaxy "Andromeda" colliding with our own (they say this will happen and will undoubtedly be epic as fuck!), and by the laws of thermodynamics -"everything moves unto disorder" our universe will actually die. as stars cannot be created, and we've only been given a fixed amount, one day (said to be 10 trillion years away) the last stars will be dying and black holes will actually die as well from lack of things to devour...... black and abysmal.

there will be an end, its just a matter of how and when.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Fireal1222 on Jun 03, 2008, 03:18 AM
the whole 12 21 12   thing is so awesome to read about or watch on tv


i believe something crazy is gonna happen as well. but who knows what
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: lithium on Jun 03, 2008, 03:20 AM
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 03, 2008, 02:38 AM

there will be an end, its just a matter of how and when.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: ToneDef on Jun 03, 2008, 05:39 AM
I love all that shit.

LOL @ the Robot Head
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: tarkil on Jun 03, 2008, 07:05 AM
It all starts with these days' economic recession guys.... Oil and food crisis...  Just saying.....
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: bright lights, big city on Jun 03, 2008, 07:18 AM
Quote from: tarkil on Jun 03, 2008, 07:05 AM
It all starts with these days' economic recession guys.... Oil and food crisis...  Just saying.....
i can see that
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: tarkil on Jun 03, 2008, 07:59 AM
Times are definitely changing, and I'm not sure we're able to handle that change yet : we are coming to a dead end with petroleum, we are killing the place we're living in because of this oil lure (and the rest...), inequalities are growing everywhere, whether it is within the same country, or between different countries.
I'm not even talking about the world order that is completely changing : USA and Europe are slowing down to a nearly immobile state (we can even debate US are going backwards...), China and new economies are taking the lead, but are they mature enough to do so (environment matters ? freedom / democracy matters) ?

Everything goes pretty bad : economy (which means the way we can eat and live everyday), environment (which means the place we live in everyday), and the global politics (which means the way are lives are governed)...
When all these aspects start to fuck up, you can wait for some pretty nasty move to come to a new balance...


Nota Bene :
That's just a pessimistic vision of things I don't really believe in, but still, it's far from an aberrant vision.
And I tend to always be optimistic and trustful in human nature (how naive of me ?)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Fireal1222 on Jun 03, 2008, 08:15 AM
im really not trying to be funny when i say this. but the sun even seems different. the past few years i noticed that it feels like its giving off the vibe of impending doom
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: theis on Jun 03, 2008, 10:26 AM
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 03, 2008, 08:15 AM
im really not trying to be funny when i say this. but the sun even seems different. the past few years i noticed that it feels like its giving off the vibe of impending doom

that's just the grass talking.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 03, 2008, 10:49 AM
Fireal, I think you put down the pot pipe and picked up a crack pipe

We had a thread about the 2012 thing and I pretty much stated that I think you are all crazy for believing that.  And obviously civilization as the Mayans knew it ended waaaay before 2012 anyways.  so they suck either way.  

Bored I have no idea what you are talking about when you say we are the gap between the wars.  Im pretty sure that there is a lot of war going on right now.

But obviously things will change.  You would be ignorant to think that we would be the end of the rise and fall of nations throughout history.  And its very obvious to anyone with half a brain that the US started its decline a long time ago.  American society has become more and more weak as the years go by.  We have become so concerned with being "progressive" that we forgot some of the unpleasant necessities of life that make people strong.  And like it or not, at this point in history.  Europe and The US have intertwined faits that are driven by the actions of the US.  So yeah, the western world is due for a recession.  But I doubt we are going to go back to the stone ages.  We are just going to have a mediocre century or so.  Then the tides will change again and again and again.  Who knows what the world will look like after that.

The environment is obviously an issue.  How could be survive without the planet?  But thats all part of evolution.  The survival of the fittest.  The earth is forcing us of of oil and pushing us into what looks like the hydrogen age.  that is a good thing.  It will help immensely with the environment.  And we will become more and more aware of what our footprint on the earth is doing to our futures and come up with more and more ways to be clean.  When it comes down to survival, humans are amazingly capable.

And yes, I do think that we are due for a fairly large scale war sometime pretty soon.  The middle east loves the attention, multiple asian countries want it, the UN has lost any real credibility, and the economic decline of the US is going to force it to stop waving its big stick around as a deterrent for other countries to go crazy.  But I doubt it will be a "end of the war" type war.  For the same reason no nukes were ever used between the soviet union and the US.  We all know that kind of war would be the end of the world.  And that goes against our natural intuition to survive.  Were all just going to end up with some sick ass halo type suites banging each other with sticks trying to kill each other with concussions because our armor is so sick and bullets just stopped working.  WW3 is going to be like one giant "American gladiators"  should be fun.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: lostpilot on Jun 03, 2008, 11:01 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 03, 2008, 10:49 AM
Bored I have no idea what you are talking about when you say we are the gap between the wars.  Im pretty sure that there is a lot of war going on right now.


I mean we're not having WW3 (yet).
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: tarkil on Jun 03, 2008, 12:05 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 03, 2008, 10:49 AM
banging each other with sticks

Fantasy ?



:)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: goldpony on Jun 03, 2008, 05:28 PM
Quote from: tarkil on Jun 03, 2008, 12:05 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 03, 2008, 10:49 AM
banging each other with sticks

Fantasy ?



:)

LMAO


I agree with trey, humans have an amazing capacity for survival and i think the only thing that will end it is a major disaster (asteroid/volcano). that or NK using a nuclear missile
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 03, 2008, 06:17 PM
Quote from: bored on Jun 03, 2008, 11:01 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 03, 2008, 10:49 AM
Bored I have no idea what you are talking about when you say we are the gap between the wars.  Im pretty sure that there is a lot of war going on right now.


I mean we're not having WW3 (yet).
yeah but there have only been two world wars, and they were both in the 20th century.  World wars have not been a traditional part of history that our generation is somehow defying the laws of nature without.
Quote from: tarkil on Jun 03, 2008, 12:05 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 03, 2008, 10:49 AM
banging each other with sticks

Fantasy ?



:)
lol.  God damm it
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: tarkil on Jun 03, 2008, 07:30 PM
ha ha ha, sorry couldn't miss this one man... :)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Oldnewtype on Jun 03, 2008, 07:38 PM
i could say a whole lot on this topic but. as usual. im lazy, so all im gonna say is we have too much shit left to fuck up for the world to end in just 4 years.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: wither-I on Jun 03, 2008, 08:31 PM
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 03, 2008, 08:15 AM
im really not trying to be funny when i say this. but the sun even seems different. the past few years i noticed that it feels like its giving off the vibe of impending doom
depletion of the ozone layer. the sun will infact be more vibrant than usual due to the lack of gaseous sustenance in our upper echelons of our atmosphere. [pollution]

agree.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: ToneDef on Jun 03, 2008, 08:48 PM
The Mayans got owned by a bunch of spaniards. They don't know what they're talking about.

Their traps were the shit though.

"Pursue me through the jugle will you?" KA-DOING!!!! Impaled. Pwn.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: wither-I on Jun 03, 2008, 08:51 PM
Quote from: ToneDef on Jun 03, 2008, 08:48 PM
The Mayans got owned by a bunch of spaniards. They don't know what they're talking about.

Their traps were the shit though.

"Pursue me through the jugle will you?" KA-DOING!!!! Impaled. Pwn.
[disease]
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: whodunit? on Jun 03, 2008, 09:20 PM
reptilians shit is interesting
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Jun 03, 2008, 10:05 PM
I agree on a whole with what trey said, believe it or not. that was a pretty good post.

like I said, I want to believe in these things. exactly why, I don't know. I guess I'm just fascinated by the unknown and the possibilities of the world around us. but the question is how much I actually believe...

in the end, I don't think anything special will happen on that day or any day in our lifetimes. eventually, something will happen. but none of us will be alive and neither will our children's children's children. what will happen is war. I'm fairly certain that wars will only escalate from now on and sooner or later we will have a third word war. it's easy to say that no nukes will be launched because of our races survival instinct and moral code, but I'm not so sure about that. remember, the US did fire off those nukes in WW2... and the nukes we have now are a lot bigger and the tactics of nuclear war are a lot more devastating. a bunch of terrorists or a stupid ass country who consider themselves opressed will fire off a nuke and that will be the start of the ending of our current civilization.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: devilinside on Jun 03, 2008, 10:23 PM
Quote from: aenemic on Jun 03, 2008, 10:05 PM

in the end, I don't think anything special will happen on that day or any day in our lifetimes. eventually, something will happen. but none of us will be alive and neither will our children's children's children.

I agree
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 04, 2008, 12:44 AM
Quote from: aenemic on Jun 03, 2008, 10:05 PM
I agree on a whole with what trey said, believe it or not. that was a pretty good post.

like I said, I want to believe in these things. exactly why, I don't know. I guess I'm just fascinated by the unknown and the possibilities of the world around us. but the question is how much I actually believe...

in the end, I don't think anything special will happen on that day or any day in our lifetimes. eventually, something will happen. but none of us will be alive and neither will our children's children's children. what will happen is war. I'm fairly certain that wars will only escalate from now on and sooner or later we will have a third word war. it's easy to say that no nukes will be launched because of our races survival instinct and moral code, but I'm not so sure about that. remember, the US did fire off those nukes in WW2... and the nukes we have now are a lot bigger and the tactics of nuclear war are a lot more devastating. a bunch of terrorists or a stupid ass country who consider themselves opressed will fire off a nuke and that will be the start of the ending of our current civilization.
well true, we did use nukes in WW2.  however they were very new, and we also knew that japan didn't have any.  So it is a lot easier to use them when you know they wont be used back on you.  But the world has had so much education on nuclear weapons since the one time in history that they were used.  I doubt that any of the current nuclear powers would start lobbing then anywhere. 

You were right about some radical douche bag getting his hands on something like a nuke or a chemical weapon and starting some serious shit.  That's why this point in history is really critical and interesting.  We are at a turning point.  There are way too many variables to list.  But say oil.  If the US can get off oil and move to hydrogen power.  then we can completely pull out of the middle east.  The whole reason they were all pissed off at us in the first place is because we have troops is Saudi Arabia "the holy land" If we get out of there, that's a big start in the right direction.  The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.  If the US is successful in these wars we will keep global credibility, make two very powerful allies ( for their region ) and maybe even start a chain reaction of democracy in the middle east that sling shots them into the 21st century ( I know its wishful thinking ) A lot depends on Chinas break through into the lead of the global economy.  How will they handle being on top?  Will the US find a way to get it back?  Will each country allow to share dual superpower status?  How will china treat is poor yet potentially powerful Asian neighbors?  Will the US ever pill out of Japan and allow then to have their own military?  What will India do as they are also up and coming in this world?  ..................soooo many possibilities that could be great or horrible for the world.

That is why it is very important that we dont be short sighted about the issues.  That seems to be the trend in history.  Societies grow and prosper.  Then through too much luxury get weak and short sighted, then disappear.  Its important that the whole world gets qualified leaders who can make intelligent decisions.  because if we just start electing a bunch of idiots who are just trying to get in office to feed their egos.......we might be seeing a clash here pretty quick.  It all just depends.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Oldnewtype on Jun 04, 2008, 08:49 PM
HOW CAN THERE BE
ANY LOGIC
IN BIOLOGICAL WAR
WE ALL KNOW THIS IS WRONG
BUT THE NEW WORLD ORDERS BEATING DOWN THE DOOR
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 04, 2008, 10:22 PM
ok
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Battle-Axe on Jun 11, 2008, 05:52 PM
Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 03, 2008, 07:38 PM
i could say a whole lot on this topic but. as usual. im lazy, so all im gonna say is we have too much shit left to fuck up for the world to end in just 4 years.

It's not about the world ending - it's about this current universal cycle ending.

My boss is waaay into this stuff and so I'm not 100% sure on this, but he said something like the universal cycle is like 26,000 years long and is based around the moon revolving around us revolving round the sun revolving round whatever it does. The Mayans were the ones who worked it all out and they were the first to pioneer calendars and stuff like that and he said it was proved somewhere their calendars were only like 13 seconds out. Out from what, I dunno, but they were pretty fuckin accurate. Apparantly every 26,000 something catastrophic happens and this has been "proven" too, and they say that on 21st December 2012 or roundabouts something is gonna happen and it'll bring about "collective consciousness" because we're coming to the end of the universal cycle.

He said there's always like a 5 year transition or something and December last year marked that 5 year transition to the end of this universal cycle and long story short, shit is apparantly about to hit the fan :P

I'm not 100% sure I believe it but I'm not gonna completely deny it could happen either. I just find these things interesting more than anything :]
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: bright lights, big city on Jun 11, 2008, 08:24 PM
theres been a lot of earthquakes lately and this happened during all the Midwest flooding....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/weather/chi-lake-delton-wedjun11,0,5987083.story
a goddamn lake drained! a whole fucking lake turned to mud in a couple hours!!
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Fireal1222 on Jun 11, 2008, 10:01 PM
Quote from: Battle-Axe on Jun 11, 2008, 05:52 PM
Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 03, 2008, 07:38 PM
i could say a whole lot on this topic but. as usual. im lazy, so all im gonna say is we have too much shit left to fuck up for the world to end in just 4 years.

It's not about the world ending - it's about this current universal cycle ending.

My boss is waaay into this stuff and so I'm not 100% sure on this, but he said something like the universal cycle is like 26,000 years long and is based around the moon revolving around us revolving round the sun revolving round whatever it does. The Mayans were the ones who worked it all out and they were the first to pioneer calendars and stuff like that and he said it was proved somewhere their calendars were only like 13 seconds out. Out from what, I dunno, but they were pretty fuckin accurate. Apparantly every 26,000 something catastrophic happens and this has been "proven" too, and they say that on 21st December 2012 or roundabouts something is gonna happen and it'll bring about "collective consciousness" because we're coming to the end of the universal cycle.

He said there's always like a 5 year transition or something and December last year marked that 5 year transition to the end of this universal cycle and long story short, shit is apparantly about to hit the fan :P

I'm not 100% sure I believe it but I'm not gonna completely deny it could happen either. I just find these things interesting more than anything :]


theres alot of great videos about it.. the best one i saw was on the history channel. its on youtube.. its called the decoding the past. the mayan prophecy

but its really interesting stuff. and i must admit i believe it..
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: lostpilot on Jun 12, 2008, 01:50 AM
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 11, 2008, 10:01 PM
theres alot of great videos about it.. the best one i saw was on the history channel. its on youtube.. its called the decoding the past. the mayan prophecy

but its really interesting stuff. and i must admit i believe it..

yeah, I saw series of interesting videos on 2012 too. my one friend is just hyped with information on that. and on almost all of the videos ideas are supported by history. Mayans, astrology, Japanese, etc. I must admit I am not a strict believer or nonbeliever - I find some things really interesting and appealing to me, but some things could be just thought up. Like - when you want to find a coincidence, probably you will find it. Those coincidences cannot be taken as a fact.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Law on Jun 12, 2008, 02:37 AM
For US and Western world I think it's a tad late to try and make the middle east to begin to like us again, I mean we have pretty bombed the shite out of their countries for  too long now.

God bless America though, that's makes us all feel better.

Too much to worry about in this life, I aren't gonna worry about this or the possibility of Doomsday, I've got a PhD to finish and too many women to love.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 03:45 AM
I can speak from first hand experience when I say that most of afghanistan actually really loves the US.  They dont forget very easily.  And they know what we did to help stop the genocide of their people when the soviets were in their country. And they know what we are doing now.  Believe me, not very many of them liked the taliban.  I believe that if we succeed in building a stable Islamic democracy in afghanistan.  We will have a powerful ally in the region for a long time.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: deafnotes on Jun 12, 2008, 08:45 AM
i hope we all die in a slow painful death
lol
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 06:24 PM
I kinda want to die in a shark attack. 
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: pissedandpierced on Jun 12, 2008, 08:10 PM
The only Crystal Skulls I know of is the Mastodon kind.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 08:41 PM
and I dont even know what that is
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: theis on Jun 12, 2008, 09:27 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 06:24 PM
I kinda want to die in a shark attack. 

Funny you say that...

It would actually be my worst fear.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 09:33 PM
Im more scarred of dying on a hospice bed than I am a shark.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Jun 13, 2008, 02:28 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 09:33 PM
Im more scarred of dying on a hospice bed than I am a shark.

I kinda agree. I'd rather die by surprise, hopefully barely starting to realize what's going on before I'm gone. fuck having to lie in a bed with my family visiting and just waiting for me to pass away.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: devilinside on Jun 13, 2008, 02:33 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 09:33 PM
Im more scarred of dying on a hospice bed than I am a shark.

Yeah but what if the shark ate only half of you and you were stuck in a bed forever....UUGH!

I'm scared of drowning....
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: bright lights, big city on Jun 13, 2008, 06:20 AM
Quote from: devilinside on Jun 13, 2008, 02:33 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 09:33 PM
Im more scarred of dying on a hospice bed than I am a shark.

Yeah but what if the shark ate only half of you and you were stuck in a bed forever....UUGH!

I'm scared of drowning....
i love swimming pools and lakes and shit, but drowning definitely would be one of the worst ways to go
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: whodunit? on Jun 13, 2008, 02:08 PM
I'm scared I'm gonna die browsing SHARINGLUNGS  :o
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Jun 13, 2008, 02:19 PM
with my luck, I'm probably gonna die while sitting on the toilet.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: pissedandpierced on Jun 13, 2008, 06:54 PM
Quote from: aenemic on Jun 13, 2008, 02:19 PM
with my luck, I'm probably gonna die while sitting on the toilet.

Like Elvis.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: devilinside on Jun 13, 2008, 06:58 PM
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jun 13, 2008, 06:20 AM
Quote from: devilinside on Jun 13, 2008, 02:33 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 09:33 PM
Im more scarred of dying on a hospice bed than I am a shark.

Yeah but what if the shark ate only half of you and you were stuck in a bed forever....UUGH!

I'm scared of drowning....
i love swimming pools and lakes and shit, but drowning definitely would be one of the worst ways to go

I hate lakes,unless wake boarding or jet skiing. But i'm a super strong swimmer,and the thought of drowning TERRIFIES me.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 13, 2008, 07:25 PM
Quote from: aenemic on Jun 13, 2008, 02:28 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 09:33 PM
Im more scarred of dying on a hospice bed than I am a shark.

I kinda agree. I'd rather die by surprise, hopefully barely starting to realize what's going on before I'm gone. fuck having to lie in a bed with my family visiting and just waiting for me to pass away.
exactly.  And I dont want my life to have zero chance of excitement or adventure.  I would rather die going, "well shit this hurts but its pretty cool" than "oh dear god why did they take EVERYTHING out of this room I could kill myself with"
Quote from: devilinside on Jun 13, 2008, 02:33 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 09:33 PM
Im more scarred of dying on a hospice bed than I am a shark.

Yeah but what if the shark ate only half of you and you were stuck in a bed forever....UUGH!

I'm scared of drowning....
lol good point.  I guess the  standard is that I have to die for a shark attack to be desirable

and to the whole drowning thing.  I used to be really scared of it.  but not anymore.  When I really think about it, it would be quick, the world around you would be calm and beautiful ( I guess the beauty depends on where you are) and I buy what they say about the euphoric feeling you get while you are drowning.  You might just be groovin out in the ocean pretending you are a fishy right before your last heart beat.  Not too shabby.

Quote from: aenemic on Jun 13, 2008, 02:19 PM
with my luck, I'm probably gonna die while sitting on the toilet.
the toilet is actually the #1 place to have a heart attack.  Because when you bear down to get it out it stimulated your vaso vegal response which will initially speed your heart way up,then dramatically drop your heart rate.  So if your heart is already shitty.......no pun intended.......then you might just shit the can.....intended.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: ToneDef on Jun 14, 2008, 03:03 AM
Quote from: pissedandpierced on Jun 13, 2008, 06:54 PM
Quote from: aenemic on Jun 13, 2008, 02:19 PM
with my luck, I'm probably gonna die while sitting on the toilet.

Like Elvis.

Uhuh. There's nothing wrong with dying on the toilet anymore. Not since the King did it.

There was such a stigma attached to it up to that point. Now I hope I do die on the shitter. If it's good enough for fucking Elvis...



The worst I can imagine are burning alive, munched by a shark or - the worst - eaten by a snake. Fuck. That. Shit.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 14, 2008, 07:15 AM
Fuck elvis

but yeah, burning alive.  Not thanks
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: kalhan on Jun 14, 2008, 08:33 PM
i want to believe too... very interesting stuff

first thing that comes to my mind when i hear about something like this is the y2k... fuck, seriously... i thought that'd be epic... complete anarchy, chaos, all that shebang... but come year 2000, nothing... no fucking thing... i was so disappointed...

i remember my friends asking me if my computer was "y2k protected" and it wasn't (ofcourse) and they'd tell me that a computer can only count till 2000 years, then it goes back to 1900. heck, my computer said it was 1975 (i had windows then)

so, yeah, i'm going to be waiting patiently... when 2012 does come along, and assuming i haven't jumped off a building while flying on acid before that.

i should read up on this more, but a long time ago i thought that the whole idea of judgement day was really interesting... our teachers would tell us that we'd go to hell and burn for ever if we didn't do our homework, so i've had insomnia ever since i was in 2nd grade...

i need to choose what to believe... :)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 14, 2008, 10:32 PM
or you could realize that just because you believe in something, doesn't make it true
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: kalhan on Jun 15, 2008, 12:00 PM
but you believe in it... so it doesn't really matter?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 15, 2008, 03:31 PM
depends on what level you take your belief.  You brought up the Y2k.  I heard of people blowing their entire savings and going crazy becaues they thought it was the end of the world in a couple weeks.......so I would say that matters.

It makes sense to me not to "choose" what to believe.  Rather just know what you already believe based on your life experience.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: derekautomatica on Jun 16, 2008, 02:03 AM
i think the whole 2012 thing is bullshit. but as far as our eco system going to shit, running out of petroleum, and politics i can see that greatly affecting us within the next four years. the whole world coming to an end subject is scary but i think we have alot of time before that comes close to happening. i mean look at the technology we have now, compared to 5 years ago. if it does come to that im sure we'll think of something to counter act that subject. and the whole crystal skull think completely blows me away...looks like some guy was bored in his garage and crafted a skully out of crystal, then the whole face/pryamid/city on mars come on seriously? have you ever heard of photoshop? and the robot head? i just thik its all bullshit and that there's just people out there trying to fuck with us and see our reactions. as far as that goes. i just think we, as a whole, are going to see some major changes in our world within the next four years fuck maybe within the next two years, who knows. things are changing every day and every day we're getting smarter or some are getting dumber but there's something changing every day. look at cars for instance. almost every major manufacturer has some sort of hybrid car...toyota,honda,lexus, etc. so what do i think will happen on 12 12 12...absolutely nothing, just like y2k everyone will pull their head out of their asses and say wow, what a waste of time.

but theres my opinion.

as far as dying goes i wanna got out in style much like the guys in devils rejects...not to that extent but like dying while racing or dying while im doing somthing cool. i dont wanna sit around in a bed waiting to die and seeing the looks on my families faces while im about ready to check out. 
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jerry_Curls on Jun 16, 2008, 05:25 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 14, 2008, 10:32 PM
or you could realize that just because you believe in something, doesn't make it true

yeah man, religion is stupid.

Quote from: goldpony on Jun 03, 2008, 05:28 PM
Quote from: tarkil on Jun 03, 2008, 12:05 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 03, 2008, 10:49 AM
banging each other with sticks

Fantasy ?



:)

LMAO


I agree with trey, humans have an amazing capacity for survival and i think the only thing that will end it is a major disaster (asteroid/volcano). that or NK using a nuclear missile

or not. Society has been dumbed down by TV, movies, games, etc. I'm pretty most people wouldn't last, without tools bought from Walmart or some shitty place like that,  in the forrest for more than a week. I know I wouldn't and I want to learn. I need to know the basic surviving skills that society has taken away from me so I can use them when Big Brother starts hunting us down.

Most people are douchebags and don't care about anything except their cars, money, celebrity gossip, stupid shit. 2012 will be when society caves in to the NWO's way of life and we'll be slaves. FIGHT BACK!

And a couple of minutes after posting this, I found this video on another message board and it deals with the stuff we are talking about and some stuff I mentioned. Please watch.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16pTg03gYK4[/youtube]

hmmm I suck at embedding youtube videos. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16pTg03gYK4
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 16, 2008, 07:29 AM
ELVIS IS THE GREATEST PUNK ROCKER EVER!
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: samson simpson on Jun 16, 2008, 08:15 AM
revolt
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 16, 2008, 08:32 AM
I have so many thoughts. I feel rightous just because I am not scared of death and trust me fellow homo sapians if anybody has been scared of death it is I! Oh the lord has tested me immensly, i've faced myself many times feeling the impending doom of life, getting thoughts so far out i couldnt even comprehend them and made me feel not alive, but I'm a man, i'm going to keep living, i can't stop my heart, i don't want too, I luv too much.

there is many thoughts and ideas and prophecies in life, i really in the end just think it's beautiful.

For a long time I ignored alot of things, my back was against the wall, i couldnt understand why nobody was fighting for their freedom, people just accept things, i wanted to not care too, but this system pulled me into it and made me fight back, instilled me with hate, but i dont hate, i just want my rights!

God is amazing isnt he? I mean 4.6 billion years and goin on this earthly situation and he we are. the world has destroyed and rebuilt itself many times, and will continou to do so! so what if another apocalypse is coming, god wants his children back! and I will be there seated at mount zion with him!

but while im here, im gonna make music, wheter only i hear it or everybody alive does doesnt matter, what matters to me is that I leave it here on earth and whatever form of life comes next, I hope they have anthropologists so they can dig up my thoughts and ideas on tape and listen to it! thats all i care about.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Fireal1222 on Jun 16, 2008, 08:39 AM
Quote from: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 16, 2008, 08:32 AM
I have so many thoughts. I feel rightous just because I am not scared of death and trust me fellow homo sapians if anybody has been scared of death it is I! Oh the lord has tested me immensly, i've faced myself many times feeling the impending doom of life, getting thoughts so far out i couldnt even comprehend them and made me feel not alive, but I'm a man, i'm going to keep living, i can't stop my heart, i don't want too, I luv too much.

there is many thoughts and ideas and prophecies in life, i really in the end just think it's beautiful.

For a long time I ignored alot of things, my back was against the wall, i couldnt understand why nobody was fighting for their freedom, people just accept things, i wanted to not care too, but this system pulled me into it and made me fight back, instilled me with hate, but i dont hate, i just want my rights!

God is amazing isnt he? I mean 4.6 billion years and goin on this earthly situation and he we are. the world has destroyed and rebuilt itself many times, and will continou to do so! so what if another apocalypse is coming, god wants his children back! and I will be there seated at mount zion with him!

but while im here, im gonna make music, wheter only i hear it or everybody alive does doesnt matter, what matters to me is that I leave it here on earth and whatever form of life comes next, I hope they have anthropologists so they can dig up my thoughts and ideas on tape and listen to it! thats all i care about.


i know thats you ronald mcdonald!!
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 16, 2008, 08:46 AM
You didn't have to ruin this post, any post but this post. son.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jerry_Curls on Jun 16, 2008, 11:36 AM
"Today, we need a nation of minutemen citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life, and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

-John F. Kennedy (March 29th, 1961)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jizzlobber on Jun 16, 2008, 12:07 PM
I read something relating to 2012 that involved the extra-terrestrial alien 'greys' making a massive uncovering of their observations of us, and making themselves available to help us with whatever may happen on Dec 21 2012.

coz they have advanced beyond us, and we have somehow fucked up the way we were meant to evolve as a civilisation by our technological advances causing global environmental catastrophies the likes of which we will not know how to deal with or reverse...i'e global warming.

lots of 2012 stuff egtting talked about lately.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: White Pwny on Jun 16, 2008, 12:16 PM
All I know is that if the "aliens" come here to help us....   I hope they bring alot of marijuana with them.   =o)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 16, 2008, 01:02 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 16, 2008, 11:36 AM
"Today, we need a nation of minutemen citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life, and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

-John F. Kennedy (March 29th, 1961)

And just as every other man that was trying to portray freedom in america in the 1960's the goverment wiped him out too! not only him, but his brother, and they framed the hitman too!

he was a good president, and his successor, bill clinton, also had his campaign ruined by the goverment.

Quote from: Jizzlobber on Jun 16, 2008, 12:07 PM
I read something relating to 2012 that involved the extra-terrestrial alien 'greys' making a massive uncovering of their observations of us, and making themselves available to help us with whatever may happen on Dec 21 2012.

coz they have advanced beyond us, and we have somehow fucked up the way we were meant to evolve as a civilisation by our technological advances causing global environmental catastrophies the likes of which we will not know how to deal with or reverse...i'e global warming.

lots of 2012 stuff egtting talked about lately.

No you didn't.

Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 16, 2008, 12:16 PM
All I know is that if the "aliens" come here to help us....   I hope they bring alot of marijuana with them.   =o)

Don't, just don't.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: theis on Jun 16, 2008, 01:33 PM
who the fuck are you?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Jun 16, 2008, 03:58 PM
Quote from: Azwethinkweiz on Jun 16, 2008, 01:33 PM
who the fuck are you?

ross aka atf27 (or whatever the fuck it was) aka dumbass.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: theis on Jun 16, 2008, 04:05 PM
aha, what a surprise.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: kalhan on Jun 16, 2008, 05:07 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 15, 2008, 03:31 PM
depends on what level you take your belief.  You brought up the Y2k.  I heard of people blowing their entire savings and going crazy becaues they thought it was the end of the world in a couple weeks.......so I would say that matters.

It makes sense to me not to "choose" what to believe.  Rather just know what you already believe based on your life experience.

well, i didn't, i was waiting for computers to conk off though. then my marks and attendance would've been off the school computer, so i was counting on that... needless to say, i got into a lot of trouble that year.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 05:12 PM
so I know Im about to make a bunch of multiple post.  But im bored and have a lot to say.  I figured that if I just went ahead and cut up my responses it would work better.  Please forgive.  
Quote from: derekautomatica on Jun 16, 2008, 02:03 AM
i think the whole 2012 thing is bullshit. but as far as our eco system going to shit, running out of petroleum, and politics i can see that greatly affecting us within the next four years. the whole world coming to an end subject is scary but i think we have alot of time before that comes close to happening. i mean look at the technology we have now, compared to 5 years ago. if it does come to that im sure we'll think of something to counter act that subject. and the whole crystal skull think completely blows me away...looks like some guy was bored in his garage and crafted a skully out of crystal, then the whole face/pryamid/city on mars come on seriously? have you ever heard of photoshop? and the robot head? i just thik its all bullshit and that there's just people out there trying to fuck with us and see our reactions. as far as that goes. i just think we, as a whole, are going to see some major changes in our world within the next four years fuck maybe within the next two years, who knows. things are changing every day and every day we're getting smarter or some are getting dumber but there's something changing every day. look at cars for instance. almost every major manufacturer has some sort of hybrid car...toyota,honda,lexus, etc. so what do i think will happen on 12 12 12...absolutely nothing, just like y2k everyone will pull their head out of their asses and say wow, what a waste of time.

but theres my opinion.

as far as dying goes i wanna got out in style much like the guys in devils rejects...not to that extent but like dying while racing or dying while im doing somthing cool. i dont wanna sit around in a bed waiting to die and seeing the looks on my families faces while im about ready to check out.  
k, seriously.  Why does everyone think we are running out of petroleum?  That is not the reason for gas prices.  If the world was almost out of petroleum our government would already have alternative fuels and engines out.  Do you really think the president will just be like " ah shucks, we ran out.  Guess I dont get air force 1 anymore.  Guess our military will just have to hump it everywhere from now on"  No, no no no no no.  Think people.  If we were almost out of fuel the military would all be equipped with new hummers complete with hydrogen cell engines.  Nasa would launch the first magnetic powered air shuttle.  The pope would have a bullet proof segway.  George Bush and Dick Cheny would be the proud owners of Americas first major hydrogen fuel production plants.  And the Saudis would suddenly stop squandering their fortunes, and invest their money into Dick and Bush hydrogen inc.  

Their is all kinds of speculation for high gas prices.  Like that since we keep coming out with vehicles with better gas mileage they Saudis have to compensate.  that's the best one I have heard anyways.  I mean think about it, we all used to drive vehicles that got 10 mpg.  now we are at 30-40 mpg.  and gas prices have trippled....hmmmmmm.

But the rest of your post was pretty great.  I agree that pretty much the rest of all that shit is BS made up ( not that im a subject matter expert or anything )
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 05:13 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 16, 2008, 05:25 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 14, 2008, 10:32 PM
or you could realize that just because you believe in something, doesn't make it true

yeah man, religion is stupid.

Quote from: goldpony on Jun 03, 2008, 05:28 PM
Quote from: tarkil on Jun 03, 2008, 12:05 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 03, 2008, 10:49 AM
banging each other with sticks

Fantasy ?



:)

LMAO


I agree with trey, humans have an amazing capacity for survival and i think the only thing that will end it is a major disaster (asteroid/volcano). that or NK using a nuclear missile

or not. Society has been dumbed down by TV, movies, games, etc. I'm pretty most people wouldn't last, without tools bought from Walmart or some shitty place like that,  in the forrest for more than a week. I know I wouldn't and I want to learn. I need to know the basic surviving skills that society has taken away from me so I can use them when Big Brother starts hunting us down.

Most people are douchebags and don't care about anything except their cars, money, celebrity gossip, stupid shit. 2012 will be when society caves in to the NWO's way of life and we'll be slaves. FIGHT BACK!

And a couple of minutes after posting this, I found this video on another message board and it deals with the stuff we are talking about and some stuff I mentioned. Please watch.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16pTg03gYK4[/youtube]

hmmm I suck at embedding youtube videos. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16pTg03gYK4


jerrycurls - I dont think religion is stupid.  I mean, that's a whole different conversation that we can have somewhere else if you want.  But in short, I dont think religion is stupid.  But I do think blind faith is stupid.  If you have a belief.  You should have plenty of good and logical reasons that you have digested over and over again for why you believe them.  You shouldn't just throw world beliefs on a wheel and give it a spin to see what you believe.

as far as the rest of your post.  Yeah you are right.  Our society is dumb and weak because of all the comforts we enjoy.  However through all of my life experiences I have found one thing to be true over and over again.  Its not so much survival skills that you learn that will save you.  It is an extreme mental toughness that will save you in bad situations.  The ability to be calm in extremely stressful situations.  The stubbornness to never , ever get beaten.  These are true survival skills.  I know that the TV show "man vs wild" makes you think that all SAS and Seals are trained in extensive survival skills.  But think about it.  What have you seen of training for the special forces?  a bunch of dudes getting the shit beat out of them.  Swimming in freezing temperatures and doing 1000 pushups every hour of every day for 12 weeks.  What does any of that have to do with survival?  If you can prove you have the mental toughness and dont get stressed, they know you are already a survivor.  That you will figure it out when you get there. 

But yeah, most people that I encounter have no where near that toughness.  I meet few people that I could see standing shoulder to shoulder with the Spartans, Vikings, or Roman soldiers.  Even in todays army and marine corps that I work very closely with.  I see very, very few people that I think could take Normandy or Iwo Jima.  Its sad really.

as far as that video goes.  Are you serious?  People accuse the US government of fear mongering with Rhetoric and Propaganda.  that is like extreme fear mongering with zero ground to stand on.  Come on man , check yourself before you go buying into that bull shit. 
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 05:18 PM
Quote from: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 16, 2008, 08:32 AM
I have so many thoughts. I feel rightous just because I am not scared of death and trust me fellow homo sapians if anybody has been scared of death it is I! Oh the lord has tested me immensly, i've faced myself many times feeling the impending doom of life, getting thoughts so far out i couldnt even comprehend them and made me feel not alive, but I'm a man, i'm going to keep living, i can't stop my heart, i don't want too, I luv too much.

there is many thoughts and ideas and prophecies in life, i really in the end just think it's beautiful.

For a long time I ignored alot of things, my back was against the wall, i couldnt understand why nobody was fighting for their freedom, people just accept things, i wanted to not care too, but this system pulled me into it and made me fight back, instilled me with hate, but i dont hate, i just want my rights!

God is amazing isnt he? I mean 4.6 billion years and goin on this earthly situation and he we are. the world has destroyed and rebuilt itself many times, and will continou to do so! so what if another apocalypse is coming, god wants his children back! and I will be there seated at mount zion with him!

but while im here, im gonna make music, wheter only i hear it or everybody alive does doesnt matter, what matters to me is that I leave it here on earth and whatever form of life comes next, I hope they have anthropologists so they can dig up my thoughts and ideas on tape and listen to it! thats all i care about.
if an "anthropologists" dug you up and was able to some how tape your thoughts.  they would say " wow, what a moron who uses so many words to say absolutely nothing except, im a moron"
Quote from: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 16, 2008, 01:02 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 16, 2008, 11:36 AM
“Today, we need a nation of minutemen citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life, and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.”

-John F. Kennedy (March 29th, 1961)

And just as every other man that was trying to portray freedom in america in the 1960's the goverment wiped him out too! not only him, but his brother, and they framed the hitman too!

he was a good president, and his successor, bill clinton, also had his campaign ruined by the goverment.
obviously Clinton was not JFK's successor.  And Clinton was elected twice.  His campaign that was not ruined by the government.  he was the fucking government for 8 years, idiot.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 05:29 PM
Quote from: Jizzlobber on Jun 16, 2008, 12:07 PM
I read something relating to 2012 that involved the extra-terrestrial alien 'greys' making a massive uncovering of their observations of us, and making themselves available to help us with whatever may happen on Dec 21 2012.

coz they have advanced beyond us, and we have somehow fucked up the way we were meant to evolve as a civilisation by our technological advances causing global environmental catastrophies the likes of which we will not know how to deal with or reverse...i'e global warming.

lots of 2012 stuff egtting talked about lately.
No offense but I think your post in total BS, except for one point.  Humans fucking up their evolutionary process.  There is really no more "survival of the fittest" In American society today.  And I imagine that it is the same in most European countries ( I cant really say because I have never been there )  but I mean we have social programs, affirmative action , special needs classes, political correctness....ect ect ect.  It used to be that if you were too weak to make it, you were either lower class , or you died.  The world used to be a place where only the strong survived.  Today no one really has to survive.  Our survival is our technology and "social progress"  Darwinism is gone.  evolution has stopped.  There is no more need to adapt to anything.  Its a strange thing to think about. 
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Jun 16, 2008, 05:49 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 05:12 PM
k, seriously.  Why does everyone think we are running out of petroleum?  That is not the reason for gas prices.  If the world was almost out of petroleum our government would already have alternative fuels and engines out.  Do you really think the president will just be like " ah shucks, we ran out.  Guess I dont get air force 1 anymore.  Guess our military will just have to hump it everywhere from now on"  No, no no no no no.  Think people.  If we were almost out of fuel the military would all be equipped with new hummers complete with hydrogen cell engines.  Nasa would launch the first magnetic powered air shuttle.  The pope would have a bullet proof segway.  George Bush and Dick Cheny would be the proud owners of Americas first major hydrogen fuel production plants.  And the Saudis would suddenly stop squandering their fortunes, and invest their money into Dick and Bush hydrogen inc.  

Their is all kinds of speculation for high gas prices.  Like that since we keep coming out with vehicles with better gas mileage they Saudis have to compensate.  that's the best one I have heard anyways.  I mean think about it, we all used to drive vehicles that got 10 mpg.  now we are at 30-40 mpg.  and gas prices have trippled....hmmmmmm.

But the rest of your post was pretty great.  I agree that pretty much the rest of all that shit is BS made up ( not that im a subject matter expert or anything )

considering how much money there is in gas, obviously they don't want everyone to know there's an effective substitute for it. especially right now when the awareness of pollution is at a peak. if we were offered an alternative people would change and wouldn't pay the ridiculous gas prices. if you ask me, it's all pretty logical.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 05:54 PM
yeah I dont disagree with you at all there.  But my point was that we are no where near the end of our petroleum supply.  High gas prices dont mean that we are about to run out.  It just means there are some greedy ass holes controlling natural resources. 
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: derekautomatica on Jun 16, 2008, 10:38 PM
Quote from: Jizzlobber on Jun 16, 2008, 12:07 PM
I read something relating to 2012 that involved the extra-terrestrial alien 'greys' making a massive uncovering of their observations of us, and making themselves available to help us with whatever may happen on Dec 21 2012.

coz they have advanced beyond us, and we have somehow fucked up the way we were meant to evolve as a civilisation by our technological advances causing global environmental catastrophies the likes of which we will not know how to deal with or reverse...i'e global warming.

lots of 2012 stuff egtting talked about lately.

really? aliens helping us? did you ever see independence day? haha.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 11:09 PM
yeah, plus its pretty arrogant to think that a whole species is sitting around watching us just waiting to help in case of a huge disaster. 
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: White Pwny on Jun 16, 2008, 11:10 PM
Dude it's just funny to think that they are looking down... then glancing at their watches... just waiting til we fuck up bad enough.   
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 11:13 PM
uh, get on yahoo

and yeah its cool to think about, but totally unrealistic
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Battle-Axe on Jun 17, 2008, 01:20 AM
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 11, 2008, 10:01 PM
Quote from: Battle-Axe on Jun 11, 2008, 05:52 PM
Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 03, 2008, 07:38 PM
i could say a whole lot on this topic but. as usual. im lazy, so all im gonna say is we have too much shit left to fuck up for the world to end in just 4 years.

It's not about the world ending - it's about this current universal cycle ending.

My boss is waaay into this stuff and so I'm not 100% sure on this, but he said something like the universal cycle is like 26,000 years long and is based around the moon revolving around us revolving round the sun revolving round whatever it does. The Mayans were the ones who worked it all out and they were the first to pioneer calendars and stuff like that and he said it was proved somewhere their calendars were only like 13 seconds out. Out from what, I dunno, but they were pretty fuckin accurate. Apparantly every 26,000 something catastrophic happens and this has been "proven" too, and they say that on 21st December 2012 or roundabouts something is gonna happen and it'll bring about "collective consciousness" because we're coming to the end of the universal cycle.

He said there's always like a 5 year transition or something and December last year marked that 5 year transition to the end of this universal cycle and long story short, shit is apparantly about to hit the fan :P

I'm not 100% sure I believe it but I'm not gonna completely deny it could happen either. I just find these things interesting more than anything :]


theres alot of great videos about it.. the best one i saw was on the history channel. its on youtube.. its called the decoding the past. the mayan prophecy

but its really interesting stuff. and i must admit i believe it..

Thanks, I'll try watching it later when youtube decides to work for me :]

Quote from: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 11:09 PM
yeah, plus its pretty arrogant to think that a whole species is sitting around watching us just waiting to help in case of a huge disaster. 

I agree with this BUT I do to some extent believe there is other life out there. Some people believe like the bible is a big sort of... "astrological metaphor" or something... I'm crap at explaining things :/ But the general gist of that is that they believe Jesus is the sun, his 12 disciples are the 12 zodiac constellations and that angels are actually aliens. There's all sorts of other stuff ties into that as well such as the great star the 3 wise men etc. supposedly followed has something to do with how Orion's belt changes slightly in December but again, this isn't something I believe in but I'm not gonna dismiss it either. These are just things my boss talks about at work that I find interesting :)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 17, 2008, 07:47 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 05:18 PM
Quote from: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 16, 2008, 08:32 AM
I have so many thoughts. I feel rightous just because I am not scared of death and trust me fellow homo sapians if anybody has been scared of death it is I! Oh the lord has tested me immensly, i've faced myself many times feeling the impending doom of life, getting thoughts so far out i couldnt even comprehend them and made me feel not alive, but I'm a man, i'm going to keep living, i can't stop my heart, i don't want too, I luv too much.

there is many thoughts and ideas and prophecies in life, i really in the end just think it's beautiful.

For a long time I ignored alot of things, my back was against the wall, i couldnt understand why nobody was fighting for their freedom, people just accept things, i wanted to not care too, but this system pulled me into it and made me fight back, instilled me with hate, but i dont hate, i just want my rights!

God is amazing isnt he? I mean 4.6 billion years and goin on this earthly situation and he we are. the world has destroyed and rebuilt itself many times, and will continou to do so! so what if another apocalypse is coming, god wants his children back! and I will be there seated at mount zion with him!

but while im here, im gonna make music, wheter only i hear it or everybody alive does doesnt matter, what matters to me is that I leave it here on earth and whatever form of life comes next, I hope they have anthropologists so they can dig up my thoughts and ideas on tape and listen to it! thats all i care about.
if an "anthropologists" dug you up and was able to some how tape your thoughts.  they would say " wow, what a moron who uses so many words to say absolutely nothing except, im a moron"
Quote from: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 16, 2008, 01:02 PM

Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jun 16, 2008, 11:36 AM
"Today, we need a nation of minutemen citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life, and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

-John F. Kennedy (March 29th, 1961)

And just as every other man that was trying to portray freedom in america in the 1960's the goverment wiped him out too! not only him, but his brother, and they framed the hitman too!

he was a good president, and his successor, bill clinton, also had his campaign ruined by the goverment.
obviously Clinton was not JFK's successor.  And Clinton was elected twice.  His campaign that was not ruined by the government.  he was the fucking government for 8 years, idiot.

No he wasn't, he was a figurehead, just like every president, the thing is, yes, he actually did some work, didn't have all the people behind him and the rest of the pentagon forming plans, he did his part, but still those behind him that were jealous did everything they could to character assasinate him.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jizzlobber on Jun 17, 2008, 11:03 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 05:29 PM
Quote from: Jizzlobber on Jun 16, 2008, 12:07 PM
I read something relating to 2012 that involved the extra-terrestrial alien 'greys' making a massive uncovering of their observations of us, and making themselves available to help us with whatever may happen on Dec 21 2012.

coz they have advanced beyond us, and we have somehow fucked up the way we were meant to evolve as a civilisation by our technological advances causing global environmental catastrophies the likes of which we will not know how to deal with or reverse...i'e global warming.

lots of 2012 stuff egtting talked about lately.
No offense but I think your post in total BS, except for one point.  Humans fucking up their evolutionary process.  There is really no more "survival of the fittest" In American society today.  And I imagine that it is the same in most European countries ( I cant really say because I have never been there )  but I mean we have social programs, affirmative action , special needs classes, political correctness....ect ect ect.  It used to be that if you were too weak to make it, you were either lower class , or you died.  The world used to be a place where only the strong survived.  Today no one really has to survive.  Our survival is our technology and "social progress"  Darwinism is gone.  evolution has stopped.  There is no more need to adapt to anything.  Its a strange thing to think about. 

yeah its can be BS. Its someone elses BS though. i find the whole scenario intriguing as hell!

the alien shit, probably unlikely, but our evolution...i think its obvious to everyone, even 5 year old kids that we fucked up something.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Jun 17, 2008, 11:20 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 11:13 PM
and yeah its cool to think about, but totally unrealistic

dude, have some imagination. just because something doesn't fit what you learned in school doesn't mean it's unrealistic. when I think about these things, or science in general, I always remind myself how much science has changed over the years and how "unrealistic" a lot of recent discoveries would be to scientists a few hundred years ago.

that said, I don't necessarily believe there's an alien species watching over us. but I believe in aliens to 100% and I wouldn't be one bit surprised if they're here, and have been here before, being part of the human races history.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 17, 2008, 11:51 AM
I have a huge imagination.  But I dont see how that has much to do with me believing in aliens.  I see no reason to believe in aliens.  However I also see no reason not to believe in aliens.  So im sort of an aliennostic I guess.  I think a lot of people believe in shit just because they really really really want it to be true.  But that seems like a stupid reason to believe in something to me. 

Even if I did 100% believe in aliens I would still say its unrealistic to say that a superior species is just sitting and watching us and then boom right at the last minute will come and sweep in to rescue us from ourselves.  I mean , that's just stupid.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jizzlobber on Jun 17, 2008, 01:16 PM
wanting something to be true is silly. But i find when respectable, high ranking pilots and air force staff hold press conferences on..'aerial phenomena' i cant look at these people and not believe them.

i also highly doubt any form of life is interested enough in us..as if we were an anthill, we as humans can sit and watch ants in their anthill, but we have no reason to try educate them about our technology, coz they are ants, thats sortof what we are like as earthlings, compared other species in the universe. they have no reason to bother us , coz, we kill each other and are un trustworthy and power hungry
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 17, 2008, 01:38 PM
or maybe we are more advanced than they are. Why are aliens always portrayed as superior beings?

Do you have any links to what you are talking about with the air force pilots? 
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Jun 17, 2008, 04:13 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 17, 2008, 01:38 PM
or maybe we are more advanced than they are. Why are aliens always portrayed as superior beings?

well, considering there are probably thousands if not millions of alien species somewhere out there we might very well be one of the more advanced. but let's say one species has managed to come here from far away - most likely they will be a lot more advanced than us. who knows, maybe they're advanced beyond our imagination.

I can very well imagine them keeping a look on us (and probably life on other planets) the same way we keep a look on wild animals.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: devilinside on Jun 17, 2008, 04:50 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 17, 2008, 11:51 AM
  So im sort of an aliennostic I guess.

LOL!
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Law on Jun 17, 2008, 09:56 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 17, 2008, 11:51 AM
I have a huge imagination.

You're in the wrong job then surely...
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 17, 2008, 11:06 PM
Quote from: aenemic on Jun 17, 2008, 04:13 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 17, 2008, 01:38 PM
or maybe we are more advanced than they are. Why are aliens always portrayed as superior beings?

well, considering there are probably thousands if not millions of alien species somewhere out there we might very well be one of the more advanced. but let's say one species has managed to come here from far away - most likely they will be a lot more advanced than us. who knows, maybe they're advanced beyond our imagination.

I can very well imagine them keeping a look on us (and probably life on other planets) the same way we keep a look on wild animals.
well I mean what you are saying makes sense.  Except I still just dont see any reason to even believe that there is one alien species out there.  Yet thousands ( and I lived in Roswell, New Mexico for a year.  Believe me that I heard a lot of reasons) It all just sounds like speculation and fantasy to me.  I mean with as far as out telescopes can see out into the universe ( and that's fucking far ) why have we never even seen one of them?  I know that we have found other solar systems and shit.  But it just seems like eventually we would run on some solid proof.  And yeah I know that maybe we have and the government is hiding it.....because somehow that benefits them.  I just dont buy it right now.
Quote from: Jambi on Jun 17, 2008, 09:56 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 17, 2008, 11:51 AM
I have a huge imagination.

You're in the wrong job then surely...
how so?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jizzlobber on Jun 19, 2008, 10:14 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 17, 2008, 01:38 PM
or maybe we are more advanced than they are. Why are aliens always portrayed as superior beings?

Do you have any links to what you are talking about with the air force pilots? 

Well there are a couple video's of pilots from the U.K that was sort of made a story out of in newspapers and stuff.

Capt. Ray Bowyer was one who made a statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IeJQGPEPrs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSCog5La-yw

Nick Pope of the British Defense ministry was involved too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G4bGWfkrio&feature=related


Normally in the U.K, UFO reporters arent treated like crazy redneck inbreeder tabloid readers who are insane and out of their minds.
I have an image that in the States no one believes that anyone who see's a UFO is sane! and that you MUST be crazy to talk about them, but, they are fact. over 2 thirds of the worlds "crop circles" are found in the U.K , so people become interested in why.

Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: blondie on Jun 19, 2008, 11:15 AM
here's a riddle...

why would a race of alien beings travel light years to get here and just fly around moronically, crush a few twigs in circles or peek into retards' windows?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: White Pwny on Jun 19, 2008, 11:18 AM
They peek in my windows... but I think we know why.   ;)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: blondie on Jun 19, 2008, 11:19 AM
why?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: White Pwny on Jun 19, 2008, 11:23 AM
cuz they like my TV... duh.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: blondie on Jun 19, 2008, 11:23 AM
i'm sure they have a bigger one.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: White Pwny on Jun 19, 2008, 11:24 AM
psh, just crush my bubble, why don't ya!?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: blondie on Jun 19, 2008, 11:25 AM
i don't think it's possible to crush a bubble.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: White Pwny on Jun 19, 2008, 11:25 AM
ok damn it.. you burst it. 
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 19, 2008, 11:28 AM
Quote from: blondie on Jun 19, 2008, 11:15 AM
here's a riddle...

why would a race of alien beings travel light years to get here and just fly around moronically, crush a few twigs in circles or peek into retards' windows?
exactly
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: wither-I on Jun 20, 2008, 09:15 AM
Quote from: blondie on Jun 19, 2008, 11:15 AM
here's a riddle...

why would a race of alien beings travel light years to get here and just fly around moronically, crush a few twigs in circles or peek into retards' windows?
because aliens are really just far, far "evolved" human beings from the future...the advancements are technological and physiological, -they're like us but "similarly different" (going by the iconic description-"the little green men") with eyes, nose slits, arms, legs, fingers, toes... like us, but far evolved... look at life on earth, in the short span (universally speaking) of earth's time signature, the evolution of species even neandertals and other "early man" species are very close, but very different.... imagine slapping another few million or far more years to that figure... thats what aliens are...

oh and about them courting with retards, its because they are studying the "Proles"...
there is faith in the Proles!
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jizzlobber on Jun 20, 2008, 10:18 AM
Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 16, 2008, 11:10 PM
Dude it's just funny to think that they are looking down... then glancing at their watches... just waiting til we fuck up bad enough.  

Glancing at their watches? where the fuck do you come from?

Quote from: blondie on Jun 19, 2008, 11:15 AM
here's a riddle...

why would a race of alien beings travel light years to get here and just fly around moronically, crush a few twigs in circles or peek into retards' windows?

Yeah coz that's all they do, fly around like MORONS , crush TWIGS, and observe RETARDS. yeah, you summed up intersteller space travel with one sentance
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: tarkil on Jun 20, 2008, 10:28 AM
Quote from: pissedandpierced on Jun 12, 2008, 08:10 PM
The only Crystal Skulls I know of is the Mastodon kind.

^5
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 20, 2008, 01:20 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 20, 2008, 09:15 AM
Quote from: blondie on Jun 19, 2008, 11:15 AM
here's a riddle...

why would a race of alien beings travel light years to get here and just fly around moronically, crush a few twigs in circles or peek into retards' windows?
because aliens are really just far, far "evolved" human beings from the future...the advancements are technological and physiological, -they're like us but "similarly different" (going by the iconic description-"the little green men") with eyes, nose slits, arms, legs, fingers, toes... like us, but far evolved... look at life on earth, in the short span (universally speaking) of earth's time signature, the evolution of species even neandertals and other "early man" species are very close, but very different.... imagine slapping another few million or far more years to that figure... thats what aliens are...

oh and about them courting with retards, its because they are studying the "Proles"...
there is faith in the Proles!
lol, so now we believe in time travel too?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: indychinoluv on Jun 20, 2008, 09:30 PM
I wonder how many people will be ticking drugs up on the 20th December...
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 21, 2008, 12:39 AM
Homo sapians believe Aliens are more advanced because they have the ability to come from wherever in the galaxy they came from and find us as opposed to us who cannot go to any other planet. Let alone roam our own country freely.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Fireal1222 on Jun 21, 2008, 07:01 AM
Quote from: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 21, 2008, 12:39 AM
Homo sapians believe Aliens are more advanced because they have the ability to come from wherever in the galaxy they came from and find us as opposed to us who cannot go to any other planet. Let alone roam our own country freely.


your posts always make me laugh
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 21, 2008, 07:46 AM
Humans have failed so dearly at revealing U.F.O.'s to the masses that the masses just gave up and started calling the mexicans aliens.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: LIFEAFTERDEATH on Jun 21, 2008, 07:58 AM
Best scene ever acted in a movie
[youtube=425,350]http://youtube.com/watch?v=73PnAymHAHk[/youtube]
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Law on Jun 21, 2008, 03:33 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 17, 2008, 11:51 AM
I have a huge imagination.

You're in the wrong job then surely...
[/quote]how so?
[/quote]

Never thought the Military allowed for that sort of expansion, you should be a researcher or something
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: indychinoluv on Jun 22, 2008, 10:20 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 20, 2008, 09:15 AM
because aliens are really just far, far "evolved" human beings from the future...the advancements are technological and physiological, -they're like us but "similarly different" (going by the iconic description-"the little green men") with eyes, nose slits, arms, legs, fingers, toes... like us, but far evolved... look at life on earth, in the short span (universally speaking) of earth's time signature, the evolution of species even neandertals and other "early man" species are very close, but very different.... imagine slapping another few million or far more years to that figure... thats what aliens are...

oh and about them courting with retards, its because they are studying the "Proles"...
there is faith in the Proles!
awsome.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: wither-I on Jun 23, 2008, 02:45 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 20, 2008, 01:20 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 20, 2008, 09:15 AM
Quote from: blondie on Jun 19, 2008, 11:15 AM
here's a riddle...

why would a race of alien beings travel light years to get here and just fly around moronically, crush a few twigs in circles or peek into retards' windows?
because aliens are really just far, far "evolved" human beings from the future...the advancements are technological and physiological, -they're like us but "similarly different" (going by the iconic description-"the little green men") with eyes, nose slits, arms, legs, fingers, toes... like us, but far evolved... look at life on earth, in the short span (universally speaking) of earth's time signature, the evolution of species even neandertals and other "early man" species are very close, but very different.... imagine slapping another few million or far more years to that figure... thats what aliens are...

oh and about them courting with retards, its because they are studying the "Proles"...
there is faith in the Proles!
lol, so now we believe in time travel too?
physics says its possible. so yeah, but i base my belief on imagination. imagination is limitless imo...

all imagination is, is realizing possibilities in the unfathomable/unimaginable...

and this is where intuition, and inquisition is born. if you ask me, anything is possible.
with the power of our minds we can defy matter and cure pain. a common conscience thing i guess. k im rambling..

over.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Battle-Axe on Jun 23, 2008, 03:37 AM
"physics says its possible"

Never really looked into it myself, but I'm guessing by this you mean like how Weir talks about wormholes in Event Horizon [if you've seen the film that is]?

Actually come to think of it, I'm not even sure he talks about time travel haha...
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: wither-I on Jun 23, 2008, 05:46 AM
Quote from: Battle-Axe on Jun 23, 2008, 03:37 AM
"physics says its possible"

Never really looked into it myself, but I'm guessing by this you mean like how Weir talks about wormholes in Event Horizon [if you've seen the film that is]?

Actually come to think of it, I'm not even sure he talks about time travel haha...
i know what you mean with event horizon and whatnot. but besides inter-stellar wormholes, they have some scientists "constructing" wormholes in labs. yes this one guy i saw on like discovery science or whatever was making this column of inter-weaving lasers and was describing how he can drop an atom into this thing and it will be transported, not in time but in space... its hard to explain, im gonna try and look up more about it, but the "transportal" he is trying to create is a small frame model and he said by using basically the same principles on a higher note will enable time travel as well...

Einstein talked much about this i recall and he claimed it was feasible.
i bring up the evolution aspect because i think its amazing, that we really only use such a small percentage of our brain power and that if not interfered with by some calamity or whatever we "will" evolve again... its a matter of life on earth, a survival of the fittest.\\

and like i always say, evolution is "de-evolving" the same. think about it, we dont even use our appendix, and i hear that in like 10,000 years we will be totally losing our "pinky-toes". we're regressing to adapt. thats why i mention these aliens "as 'us' from the future" because imo when you look at it from this direction it seems so feasible/believable for these beings to just be far evolved human species with their smaller bodies, less-number of fingers and toes, big heads (prob for larger brains) and prob all one color/race/ethnicity etc etc...
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: wither-I on Jun 23, 2008, 06:13 AM
also like ive been saying alot lately just as a thought...
we are dues for another "great enlightenment" and i think there are two senarios for this;

-we will evolve. just like i said above, of course it would take time, but if we evolve with our consciousnesses we can 'learn' (literally) to coexist more peacefully. me and my friend joe always say, that there is probably some far off species that is so intelligent that they exist blissfully in their world floating around effortlessly in their atmosphere living off of each other's involuntary energy. and this energy would be like "affectionate" energy in a sense surpassing knowledge itself. you can learn and then you can become wise, and know sure that you know nothing at all. i believe that in this realm of supra-intelligence, you revert back to ignorance, bringing you closer than ever to your own environment. ive theorized somewhat on how when we die we lose our conscience only iin an earthly sense, but obtain a whole new conscious (which is unfathomable) where your "new-life-experiences" are seen outside of our realm of understanding the world and universe (percepts and affects) where you gain a new "sense" unseen and unheard, not felt or tasted how we do now, but in another-worldly realm of perception. in this you become more involved/evolved to your environment, becoming more intelligent and naive simultaneously, seeing the world as a child, blissful and happy, loving life more than ever, seeing God without witness, and becoming God the same, no longer seeing the universe outside of ourselves and once and for all becoming part of an everlasting heaven which exists before us, though we fail to see it because we worry of the problems of the world (which we invent, make-up, design, manifest).
its all too unreal.
"I do not exist" -Aaron Weiss (MewithoutYou)

- and the other way we will be "saved" is deiscovering extra-terrestrial life. it would either make people go hay-wire or drive us down and make us more humbled. and im not even talking about " intelligent life", just "microbial life" discovery would change EVERYTHING.

the thing i see is in order to become enlightened you must see "how insignificantly significant we are". in this i mean, we always see ourselves as outside of the universe/earth, we feel that we are the only thing that matters (God concept), that nature and the universe owes us in a way.... so once we can become humbled in being totally small and insignificant in the infinitely broad scale of the universe, we realize that we are significant and are "most" and God. we are the greater part of everything because "everything lies within us, not besides us."
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 23, 2008, 03:43 PM
well I mean everything you are saying is really fantastic and who wouldn't want to believe that all of that is true?  But I just dont see a reason to believe most of it.  I would love to really study physics and understand everything in detail that you have been talking about.  There seems to be a level of legitimacy there.  But saying that our imagination is the limit seems more suiting as a line in some cheezy pixar movie than an intelligent conversation held between adults.  I think that humans inherently have the desire to explore and a desire for adventure.  And this world seems so used up and explored.  So we would love to believe that there is still adventure and exploring to do.  It makes everything you are saying to be very desirable.  But I just dont see it. 
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: lostpilot on Jun 23, 2008, 04:10 PM
wither-I,

if to talk about Enlightenment, you may call me a pessimistic person, but I do not really think that some sort of 'Breakthrough' is going to happen. I mean, look around us - we are totally lonely in this universe, our existence is merely a random event. The whole existence of human race is like an hour in whole long planet Earths life. We are meaningless, and there is nothing more to it. And I really don't believe in idea of extraterrestrial life finding us, or us discovering them.

First of all, everything in our Universe is too random - our existence is random, our planet being capable to sustain life on earth is random, our solar system is random. And our universe is just too big for us to meet someone. If we are still unable to leave our solar system in a fast way, so that a human body would last, I do not think there is another material being which would have discovered a faster speed and could contact us. There is nothing out there. We will blast our asses off this earth, destroying the planet, and that will be the only trace of us actually ever existing.

(the sceptic side of me has spoken, now I will let the believer express his opinion)

Yesterday me and my friends we're discussing on our beliefs. And I stated what I believe - I believe that this reality - everything, this Universe, us, our subconscious worlds, etc - is a product of a higher power, in my mind I like to call it 'the stream'. It's a source of power, which can create separate different realities. And what I believe, is that technically there is no history - I mean, I believe in a critical mass of 'Energy', which creates us, our world, etc. There is always harmony in the world - we will destroy what we've built, we will die and shall be reborn again, in a different form. And all of the coincidences in this world which occurs while exploring different cultural symbols (example, those skulls, 2012 theories, historic information (like Mayans noticing the creatures from the skies, etc) leads our thoughts back to the stream.

We, somewhere deep within, are aware of being united with the Universe and through it being connected to the stream - it's like a mild memory. And I do believe in parallel worlds, different Universes filled with different creatures because of different amounts of 'Energy' provided by the stream. God, I really which English was my mothertongue language, I am sooo bad at expressing my thoughts..

To sum up, since I'm very two-sided, one of my sides thinks that we are meaningless and there is no hidden meanings in anything, while the other believes in parallel worlds (=parallel creatures we are able to contact by aletring our (sub)conscious state). I hope you understood what I meant.

Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: wither-I on Jun 23, 2008, 09:41 PM
Quote from: bored on Jun 23, 2008, 04:10 PM
wither-I,

if to talk about Enlightenment, you may call me a pessimistic person, but I do not really think that some sort of 'Breakthrough' is going to happen. I mean, look around us - we are totally lonely in this universe, our existence is merely a random event. The whole existence of human race is like an hour in whole long planet Earths life. We are meaningless, and there is nothing more to it. And I really don't believe in idea of extraterrestrial life finding us, or us discovering them.

First of all, everything in our Universe is too random - our existence is random, our planet being capable to sustain life on earth is random, our solar system is random. And our universe is just too big for us to meet someone. If we are still unable to leave our solar system in a fast way, so that a human body would last, I do not think there is another material being which would have discovered a faster speed and could contact us. There is nothing out there. We will blast our asses off this earth, destroying the planet, and that will be the only trace of us actually ever existing.

(the sceptic side of me has spoken, now I will let the believer express his opinion)

Yesterday me and my friends we're discussing on our beliefs. And I stated what I believe - I believe that this reality - everything, this Universe, us, our subconscious worlds, etc - is a product of a higher power, in my mind I like to call it 'the stream'. It's a source of power, which can create separate different realities. And what I believe, is that technically there is no history - I mean, I believe in a critical mass of 'Energy', which creates us, our world, etc. There is always harmony in the world - we will destroy what we've built, we will die and shall be reborn again, in a different form. And all of the coincidences in this world which occurs while exploring different cultural symbols (example, those skulls, 2012 theories, historic information (like Mayans noticing the creatures from the skies, etc) leads our thoughts back to the stream.

We, somewhere deep within, are aware of being united with the Universe and through it being connected to the stream - it's like a mild memory. And I do believe in parallel worlds, different Universes filled with different creatures because of different amounts of 'Energy' provided by the stream. God, I really which English was my mothertongue language, I am sooo bad at expressing my thoughts..

To sum up, since I'm very two-sided, one of my sides thinks that we are meaningless and there is no hidden meanings in anything, while the other believes in parallel worlds (=parallel creatures we are able to contact by aletring our (sub)conscious state). I hope you understood what I meant.


you basically just said that "there is nothing besides us, and that their are creatures that we can contact through a subconscious way"

i never said "intelligent life finding us or us finding them"... i stated "microbial life"...

i think you may have misunderstood much of what i meant, i know you said you had some trouble with english expression...

on a side note, i understand what you are saying, completely actually... ...solely because i used to believe the same thing.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 23, 2008, 03:43 PM
well I mean everything you are saying is really fantastic and who wouldn't want to believe that all of that is true?  But I just dont see a reason to believe most of it.  I would love to really study physics and understand everything in detail that you have been talking about.  There seems to be a level of legitimacy there.  But saying that our imagination is the limit seems more suiting as a line in some cheezy pixar movie than an intelligent conversation held between adults.  I think that humans inherently have the desire to explore and a desire for adventure.  And this world seems so used up and explored.  So we would love to believe that there is still adventure and exploring to do.  It makes everything you are saying to be very desirable.  But I just dont see it. 
variable... well trey, *in the most cli'che/cheezy pixar manner* -"you must see, we have conquered all but ourselves"...

i like you man, i admire your passion, honestly. and you are very smart, and keen on what you say...

...but most everything we humans do, falls to "necessity of satiation through instinctive values", which are; ... we fuck, feed, and sleep.  And the other outfit is the "desires" we crave, which exceed our longings, and precede adventure and love, and these are our passions, like the artist's yearn to "create", stems from desire and want, but becomes a "need" in a sense really.

i know i went off track a little there, but im tired and swaying...

later cake.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Battle-Axe on Jun 23, 2008, 10:45 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 23, 2008, 05:46 AM
Quote from: Battle-Axe on Jun 23, 2008, 03:37 AM
"physics says its possible"

Never really looked into it myself, but I'm guessing by this you mean like how Weir talks about wormholes in Event Horizon [if you've seen the film that is]?

Actually come to think of it, I'm not even sure he talks about time travel haha...
i know what you mean with event horizon and whatnot. but besides inter-stellar wormholes, they have some scientists "constructing" wormholes in labs. yes this one guy i saw on like discovery science or whatever was making this column of inter-weaving lasers and was describing how he can drop an atom into this thing and it will be transported, not in time but in space... its hard to explain, im gonna try and look up more about it, but the "transportal" he is trying to create is a small frame model and he said by using basically the same principles on a higher note will enable time travel as well...

Einstein talked much about this i recall and he claimed it was feasible.
i bring up the evolution aspect because i think its amazing, that we really only use such a small percentage of our brain power and that if not interfered with by some calamity or whatever we "will" evolve again... its a matter of life on earth, a survival of the fittest.\\

and like i always say, evolution is "de-evolving" the same. think about it, we dont even use our appendix, and i hear that in like 10,000 years we will be totally losing our "pinky-toes". we're regressing to adapt. thats why i mention these aliens "as 'us' from the future" because imo when you look at it from this direction it seems so feasible/believable for these beings to just be far evolved human species with their smaller bodies, less-number of fingers and toes, big heads (prob for larger brains) and prob all one color/race/ethnicity etc etc...

Ahhh yea my boss has mentioned about that atom transporter thing before in the same conversation about time travel... to be honest he talks so much about this stuff that I forget half of it :P It sorta reminds me of the Philadelphia Experiment, only as far as I know [which is only as much as my boss has told me haha] is that the ship only vanished - like it wasn't actually transported.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Fireal1222 on Jun 23, 2008, 10:46 PM
last night i was was on youtube for hours watching different videos on the mayan prophecy. and calender.. also reading up on the drug. DMT and ayahuasca


http://youtube.com/watch?v=_s376qEZGY0
awesome awesome explanation
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: deafnotes on Jun 25, 2008, 11:00 AM
some say burning alive is ticklish
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: White Pwny on Jun 25, 2008, 09:57 PM
Quote from: deafnotes on Jun 25, 2008, 11:00 AM
some say burning alive is ticklish

I find this so amazingly hard to believe.   I have a bad fucking sunburn.. and the last thing it is is ticklish.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 26, 2008, 03:24 AM
Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 25, 2008, 09:57 PM
Quote from: deafnotes on Jun 25, 2008, 11:00 AM
some say burning alive is ticklish

I find this so amazingly hard to believe.   I have a bad fucking sunburn.. and the last thing it is is ticklish.
Once a burn reaches the 3rd degree your nerve endings die and you feel nothing. Big difference between a sunburn and burning alive.
Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 23, 2008, 04:00 AM
Please don't forget that I am too medically inclined
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: White Pwny on Jun 26, 2008, 05:50 AM
ZOMG!  Imagine this!  Trey downing me again.   I was not saying it was not true, I was saying I find it so hard to believe it would feel ticklish.   Now, go on with your bad self.  *rolls eyes*
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 26, 2008, 05:58 AM
I simply states a fact.  That is all.  If you regret your own words.  that is your own business.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: White Pwny on Jun 26, 2008, 06:23 AM
*looks confused*    Did I say I regret my words?   In fact, Trey.. In order to get to third degree burn.. you must get to first and second degree burn that hurts like a MF.     I don't quite know why you are trying to twist what I say, but hey, if that's what ya gotta do.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 26, 2008, 06:53 AM
most people associate burning to death by intense heat such as your whole body being on fire.  This would not be a slow burn.  The time from 1st to 3rd would only take seconds.  But yeah, I guess being sunburned to death would hurt really , really bad.

Im not saying I believe that being burned to death would feel like someone tickling me. I was just throwing some facts out there.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: deafnotes on Jun 30, 2008, 04:03 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 26, 2008, 03:24 AM
Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 25, 2008, 09:57 PM
Quote from: deafnotes on Jun 25, 2008, 11:00 AM
some say burning alive is ticklish

I find this so amazingly hard to believe.   I have a bad fucking sunburn.. and the last thing it is is ticklish.
Once a burn reaches the 3rd degree your nerve endings die and you feel nothing. Big difference between a sunburn and burning alive.
Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 23, 2008, 04:00 AM
Please don't forget that I am too medically inclined


haha. i think if you jump into a big fire. that will hurt in seconds and then you are dead?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Corleone on Jun 30, 2008, 09:27 AM
Humans are going to push the evolution of themselves through DNA research, and we are all going to be alive to see it. If we don't blow ourselves up there is no doubt we could live way longer lives.


Wheres my robot lungs...
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Jun 30, 2008, 10:15 AM
Quote from: Corleone on Jun 30, 2008, 09:27 AM
Humans are going to push the evolution of themselves through DNA research, and we are all going to be alive to see it. If we don't blow ourselves up there is no doubt we could live way longer lives.


Wheres my robot lungs...

the technology won't be available to us in our lifetime though. not unless we become stinking rich.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jun 30, 2008, 10:17 AM
Quote from: deafnotes on Jun 30, 2008, 04:03 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 26, 2008, 03:24 AM
Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 25, 2008, 09:57 PM
Quote from: deafnotes on Jun 25, 2008, 11:00 AM
some say burning alive is ticklish

I find this so amazingly hard to believe.   I have a bad fucking sunburn.. and the last thing it is is ticklish.
Once a burn reaches the 3rd degree your nerve endings die and you feel nothing. Big difference between a sunburn and burning alive.
Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 23, 2008, 04:00 AM
Please don't forget that I am too medically inclined


haha. i think if you jump into a big fire. that will hurt in seconds and then you are dead?
no
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jizzlobber on Jun 30, 2008, 11:53 AM
Quote from: bored on Jun 23, 2008, 04:10 PM
wither-I,

I do not really think that some sort of 'Breakthrough' is going to happen. I mean, look around us - we are totally lonely in this universe, our existence is merely a random event. The whole existence of human race is like an hour in whole long planet Earths life. We are meaningless, and there is nothing more to it. And I really don't believe in idea of extraterrestrial life finding us, or us discovering them.

First of all, everything in our Universe is too random - our existence is random, our planet being capable to sustain life on earth is random, our solar system is random. And our universe is just too big for us to meet someone. If we are still unable to leave our solar system in a fast way, so that a human body would last, I do not think there is another material being which would have discovered a faster speed and could contact us. There is nothing out there. We will blast our asses off this earth, destroying the planet, and that will be the only trace of us actually ever existing.

(the sceptic side of me has spoken, now I will let the believer express his opinion)

Yesterday me and my friends we're discussing on our beliefs. And I stated what I believe - I believe that this reality - everything, this Universe, us, our subconscious worlds, etc - is a product of a higher power, in my mind I like to call it 'the stream'. It's a source of power, which can create separate different realities. And what I believe, is that technically there is no history - I mean, I believe in a critical mass of 'Energy', which creates us, our world, etc. There is always harmony in the world - we will destroy what we've built, we will die and shall be reborn again, in a different form. And all of the coincidences in this world which occurs while exploring different cultural symbols (example, those skulls, 2012 theories, historic information (like Mayans noticing the creatures from the skies, etc) leads our thoughts back to the stream.

We, somewhere deep within, are aware of being united with the Universe and through it being connected to the stream - it's like a mild memory. And I do believe in parallel worlds, different Universes filled with different creatures because of different amounts of 'Energy' provided by the stream. God, I really which English was my mothertongue language, I am sooo bad at expressing my thoughts..

To sum up, since I'm very two-sided, one of my sides thinks that we are meaningless and there is no hidden meanings in anything, while the other believes in parallel worlds (=parallel creatures we are able to contact by aletring our (sub)conscious state). I hope you understood what I meant.



but you personally dont know anything about the universe, you just think you do. God knows why, perhaps you smoke a lot of pot, but, we are certainly not just a "Random event"! c'mon man!
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Jun 30, 2008, 12:16 PM
I always say this: we don't know shit. ever since we started making "scientific" discoveries, we thought we understood things. and then something happened and proved us wrong. I'm pretty sure it will always be like that.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: lostpilot on Jun 30, 2008, 02:24 PM
Quote from: Jizzlobber on Jun 30, 2008, 11:53 AM
but you personally dont know anything about the universe, you just think you do. God knows why, perhaps you smoke a lot of pot, but, we are certainly not just a "Random event"! c'mon man!

this is just my guess, theory, belief.
I'm not saying everything IS that way. I just think it could be going on like that
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jizzlobber on Jul 01, 2008, 07:34 PM
well, okay. it could be, maybe we are just a lone planet of societies.

it really sucks to think that we could be, but i doubt it, i just highly doubt it.

Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: wither-I on Jul 02, 2008, 12:32 PM
Quote from: Jizzlobber on Jul 01, 2008, 07:34 PM
well, okay. it could be, maybe we are just a lone planet of societies.

it really sucks to think that we could be, but i doubt it, i just highly doubt it.


what makes you so sure there is a God? theres really no proof either way.

i believe in a higher power because its obvious, we are nothing to the might of the universe (unto us).

the universe is completely indifferent (to us).
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jul 03, 2008, 04:57 AM
I think a big question that everyone has to consider when they are choosing to believe in a god or not.  If god is not real, where did the universe come from?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: tarkil on Jul 03, 2008, 08:46 AM
From my ass...
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jul 03, 2008, 10:14 AM
where did your ass come from?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: tarkil on Jul 03, 2008, 10:37 AM
God damn it, the old egg and chicken thingy...
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jul 03, 2008, 11:07 AM
it just makes you wonder is all
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: tarkil on Jul 03, 2008, 11:37 AM
Actually not really... Just see it as there's no "before"... Time was created when matter got created too...
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jul 03, 2008, 04:34 PM
where did matter come from? 
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Jul 03, 2008, 05:39 PM
The Big Fart

duh
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jul 04, 2008, 03:31 AM
where did the fart come from?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: tarkil on Jul 04, 2008, 05:44 AM
Told you already man : my ass !! You're going in circles right there.... ;)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: mrs_swa on Jul 04, 2008, 05:47 AM
Trey going in circles, are you surprised?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jul 04, 2008, 06:20 AM
Quote from: tarkil on Jul 04, 2008, 05:44 AM
Told you already man : my ass !! You're going in circles right there.... ;)
just illustrating a point to show why people might believe in a superior being beyond our understanding rather than just believing that matter has always existed and came from no where.
Quote from: mrs_swa on Jul 04, 2008, 05:47 AM
Trey going in circles, are you surprised?
well haven't you just become a snide bitch towards me these days?  I have been ignoring it because I know that you in some immature logic think it is justified.  But keep it up, and ill give you a real reason to be pissed at me. 
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: mrs_swa on Jul 04, 2008, 06:28 AM
Lol, I was being sarcastic Trey.  Lighten up.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Jul 04, 2008, 07:17 AM
no, you have been taking little jabs at me here and there for the past week or so.  As I said, I know you think you have a reason to be mad at me.  So I have been ignoring it.  But there is really no need.  So lets all just get along. mkay?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: deafnotes on Aug 07, 2008, 10:53 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 03, 2008, 04:57 AM
I think a big question that everyone has to consider when they are choosing to believe in a god or not.  If god is not real, where did the universe come from?

thats a good question too. but if god created the universe, then who created god?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Aug 07, 2008, 11:23 AM
I was waiting for someone to ask that
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Aug 07, 2008, 12:39 PM
ok ok, I admit it. I did.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Aug 07, 2008, 06:00 PM
Its impossible for me to imagine that matter has always existed and was not created and did not come from anywhere.  that there is no start of time.  Time has just always been here, and so has matter.  And from that matter over billions of years of accidents here we are.  Or at least I haven't ever hear anyone give me a good explanation for how that would be possible. 

I think it is easier to imagine that there is a superior being that created the universe.  Then of course the question of , "who created this superior being?" comes up.  But I just think it is easier to believe that he is on a totally different level than we are in our little two dimensional world we cant understand the true complexity of such a being.......but like I said, its easier for me to believe that.  I dont necessarily think its true.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Aug 07, 2008, 06:10 PM
why is it so hard to accept that there might simply be infinity? why does everything have to start and end somewhere?

as for time, I'm more of the belief that time doesn't exist and is only an effect of atoms moving. imagine if everything just stopped moving completely. there'd be no more time.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Aug 07, 2008, 06:21 PM
thats something to think about
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: wither-I on Aug 07, 2008, 08:31 PM
all we've ever known is a beginning and an end with "everything" so its not brash to assume that life has a definite beginning and an end. simply we dont know.
but i see our universe as just a piece/ mechanism/ aspect/ organ OF God.
the laws of attraction has us AS God. we are a functional appendage of God, therefore we are.

i see God as the "whole" -that is greater than the sum of it's parts.

the worse thing we can do is "assume" God is a certain image, or light, or thought, or energy.

*the body is all in all just a host for the brain. where the brain is actually a pest of the body. therefore as we evolve intellectually, in our minds, our "reality" changes with it. that is why many physicists say that as we evolve our perceptions, our perceptions of reality, and reality itself is alternated.
they say that with the brain we can defy matter!
therefore we are God. we are manifest. we are OF everything.

how does it feel? i live my life to this.

"you're a miracle, so live like it." -my dad
we're more unbelievable than we know.

it is no matter of fate or purpose its a matter of free form and function. evolving. revolving. cycling. infinitely...

resounding indeterminately, indifferent, and indescribable. catch the wave and ride that bitch.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Aug 08, 2008, 06:17 AM
I don't know about us being god (although I often think that I actually am god ) But what you just said makes sense.  On some level anyways. 

I was raised as a Christian.  And like everything else in life was very curious about it and learned a lot through personal research.  But as I kind of grew up and started to travel more I just realized that the world is so much bigger than that.  One doctrine, One god, One name, One way, One truth.  I just don't know.  So at this point I am still trying to figure out what I believe.  Although to be honest, im not really ever expecting to figure it out.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: deafnotes on Aug 08, 2008, 07:15 AM
whats weird is that.....it seems like all the gods are unknown. their genders are unknown, they all never shows up, etc

i was raised in a catholic country. tbut we are not really religious family (if im right, we didnt even go to church in a family group more than 2 times.)


Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Aug 08, 2008, 04:21 PM
well I dont really believe that god has a gender.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: White Pwny on Aug 08, 2008, 04:45 PM
haha... of course SHE does!   =o)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: lostpilot on Aug 08, 2008, 05:49 PM
Quote from: Variable on Aug 08, 2008, 04:21 PM
well I dont really believe that god has a gender.

I agree with you. I think God is not a being at all.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: wither-I on Aug 08, 2008, 09:28 PM
Quote from: Variable on Aug 08, 2008, 06:17 AM
I don’t know about us being god (although I often think that I actually am god ) But what you just said makes sense.  On some level anyways. 

I was raised as a Christian.  And like everything else in life was very curious about it and learned a lot through personal research.  But as I kind of grew up and started to travel more I just realized that the world is so much bigger than that.  One doctrine, One god, One name, One way, One truth.  I just don’t know.  So at this point I am still trying to figure out what I believe.  Although to be honest, im not really ever expecting to figure it out.

the beauty is in not knowing. and as i say, -in not knowing we find freedom, because freedom of the spirit comes from creation, and we "create" to fulfill the desire to know. to breach matter nd aesthetic and touch our belief with a curious prod of affection.

life is art.
and art is ruin, because you must dissolve an order to find the composite.
just like as we evolve we de-evolve the same, -but in this is evolution at its finest, a creation by mutation, and disorder, and ultimately "ruin" of an aspect of your being.

*LOVE -is the most immaculate means of discerning both affections AND perceptions. these "percepts" and "affects" are the logistics of God. the reality and bite of life in our own manifest. these are our creations.
and therefore we must hone these honors, these abilities, and this grandest opportunity.

and as everything is "absurd"-because NOTHING has a "True" explanation or meaning. "fate" and or "reason"are forms of conceptual suicide. and in order to defeat the absurd one must create and love. create happiness and joy. our choices or rather our rights to life have been undermined and or taken- for- granted too much as of late.

this is why, i choose to believe in "Everything" because thats all i can fathom, -is a wholeness in life!!
one huge love, and essence, and shared existence, and passion, and innate "free-formed function".

bless.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: lostpilot on Aug 08, 2008, 09:52 PM
conceptual suicide.. love it, wither.

I believe in possibilities. I believe in possibility of God, extraterrestrial life, fixed fate, karma, reincarnation. I believe, that the possibility exists, and, therefore this possibility is God itself. A complex set of possibilities, random or not random, who cares.

for the "absurd".. well, the world is built pretty much chaotically, though in some fixed sense (again, think about a set of possibilities) - but there will always be fault, mistakes. And, I think the fact that we are capable to understand the absurdity of existing, well, could probably be called just a fault. The chance made us reasonable and profound, gave us the power to witness music, art, feelings, every perception - but ironically it also gave us the curse of understanding that the gift of perception is technically meaningless and absurd.

line from Thrice's "Silver Wings" hit my head -
"and after all of this I am amazed
that I am cursed far more than I am praised."

I just.. well, believe in chance. Chance of things.. maybe I am too much of a believer, but what is worse than having no belief? And after all, I sometimes hate how people, in this case me too, just sometimes hate themselves so much.. people should love themselves and each other, we are the miracle, we are one of the possibilities, and we are here and now. I can reach out to every one of you, every one of you can reach out to me - we're all of one blood and one skin, no matter how different do we look.

yours unexpectedly optimistic and loveful,
D.

btw: wither-I, I'm not sure if you've seen this:
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,14352.0.html
just your inbox is full..
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: wither-I on Aug 09, 2008, 01:24 AM
Quote from: bored on Aug 08, 2008, 09:52 PM
I believe in possibilities. I believe in possibility of God, extraterrestrial life, fixed fate, karma, reincarnation. I believe, that the possibility exists, and, therefore this possibility is God itself. A complex set of possibilities, random or not random, who cares.



I just.. well, believe in chance. Chance of things.. maybe I am too much of a believer, but what is worse than having no belief? And after all, I sometimes hate how people, in this case me too, just sometimes hate themselves so much.. people should love themselves and each other, we are the miracle, we are one of the possibilities, and we are here and now. I can reach out to every one of you, every one of you can reach out to me - we're all of one blood and one skin, no matter how different do we look.

yours unexpectedly optimistic and loveful,
D.

great great thoughts bro! im digging the optimism 2 :)
im always telling people to just be involved in each other and the shear essence of living. and to use your body as a brush, and a tool, a device for piece of mind, and joy.
in "believing in everything" per say , its like this excruciatingly awesome rush everyday, because the world amazes me more than ever, and im not a child anymore...
ya know...

-we are all beyond perfect, we are miracle, that miraculous conjure, a chance-conception, the scale of creation and all the efforts of indifferent energies.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Fireal1222 on Aug 09, 2008, 08:22 PM
Quote from: Variable on Aug 08, 2008, 06:17 AM
I don't know about us being god (although I often think that I actually am god ) But what you just said makes sense.  On some level anyways. 

I was raised as a Christian.  And like everything else in life was very curious about it and learned a lot through personal research.  But as I kind of grew up and started to travel more I just realized that the world is so much bigger than that.  One doctrine, One god, One name, One way, One truth.  I just don't know.  So at this point I am still trying to figure out what I believe.  Although to be honest, im not really ever expecting to figure it out.



one night. with my friend mike. i had some incredibly strong visuals. i wasnt drunk. wasnt high


but one of the conclusions i came to is that you are a part of god.


god is the all seeing eye. and you see everything that you do.. you also know when you are doing right and wrong. so i agree that we are a part of god.


i also believe that god will do good things for you if you deserve them.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Nailec on Aug 09, 2008, 08:32 PM
i dont know what this thread is about. but the last two posts have been about god and who were all part of it.

a concept i find interesting and i read in Max Scheler`s "Man's Place in Nature" was the one of a personal god  that is not to be found in metaphysics but that grows with human ideas. this really means that you have to act in a good manner in order to create god. if there wouldnt be humans, there would be no god since no one would have the idea of god and no one could create god.

other concepts of god are often pretty passive in a way that you just have to trust in god no matter how you are acting.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: 13hourstoparadise on Aug 11, 2008, 12:11 AM
I hope the world ends. I hate it here.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Aug 11, 2008, 06:34 AM
do you need a hug sweety?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Corleone on Sep 03, 2008, 07:47 AM
http://www.ancientx.com/nm/anmviewer.asp?a=75&z=1
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Corleone on Sep 04, 2008, 09:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aPNcUJuiLY
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: emotivelotion on Sep 04, 2008, 08:36 PM

mayan's and aztec's aint the same, aztecs fucked up quetzalcoatl who was albino, being different they made fun of him, getting his ass drunk and acting like ordinary people, quetzalcoatl couldnt deal the shame and ran away not before saying "i will come back and ill be thousands" or something like that, so when cortez came they thought it was all about quetzalcoatl's revenge, they wouldnt defeat god's power again thats why spainairds were treated like kings
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Fireal1222 on Sep 04, 2008, 11:02 PM
Quote from: 13hourstoparadise on Aug 11, 2008, 12:11 AM
I hope the world ends. I hate it here.


maybe thats why you have it bad.

just because your life sucks why should the whole world need to be ended
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Sep 05, 2008, 06:44 PM
Quote from: emotivelotion on Sep 04, 2008, 08:36 PM

mayan's and aztec's aint the same, aztecs fucked up quetzalcoatl who was albino, being different they made fun of him, getting his ass drunk and acting like ordinary people, quetzalcoatl couldnt deal the shame and ran away not before saying "i will come back and ill be thousands" or something like that, so when cortez came they thought it was all about quetzalcoatl's revenge, they wouldnt defeat god's power again thats why spainairds were treated like kings
Thank you for posting something intelligent.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: emotivelotion on Sep 05, 2008, 07:16 PM
you making fun of me? :(
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Sep 05, 2008, 07:23 PM
no, I was being serious.  lol, seriously.  That you for posting something intelligent and interesting.

This is not a part of history I am familiar with at all.  So you caught my interest, and gave me a good base to be able to do more research from.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: emotivelotion on Sep 05, 2008, 07:49 PM
hehe, as you notice i dont have enough formal words, ive been looking for that topic in english without success, pity neither spanish sites have idea where this phrase was taken from "volveré y seré miles", of those things people aint used to know cuz i dunno if in any other place but in mx history as it seen on classrooms is a bunch of lies to increase nationalism  to keep control on people

<edit>
and to keep their catholic religion
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: goldpony on Sep 05, 2008, 09:17 PM
^same the world over
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Sep 06, 2008, 04:48 AM
God bless them
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: devlin on Sep 17, 2008, 08:21 PM
i can't believe i never came across this thread before. i have read alot on the year 2012 and what is theorized to take place. and its all new age bull shit. no offense to any believers. but the world is not going to end nor are we going to step up into the next level of consciousness as a race.

this is nothing more than the 13th cycle of the mesoamerican's "b'ak'tun" (or mayan long count calander). and theirs nothing showing the mayans having prophiced anything bad on this day. all these theories are realativly new (past 50 years or so from what i've been able to find). in fact the mayans believed it to be a privlige to be celebrated when a cycle completed.

this is just a hippy version of the christians claiming the end of times for the year 2000. and as far as i know that didn't happen. unless its still on its way and it takes jesus and his ska band of trumpet players a while to get here from heaven.

i apologize if any of this has already been said. i didn't read all 10 pages of thread.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Sep 18, 2008, 12:15 AM
um.  I don't think its really accurate to say that the "Christians" predicted the world would end in 2000.  I mean, they have been saying that the "rapture" was coming since about 10 years after Jesus died.  Their have been a few nuts here and there trying to predict it ( even though the bible clearly states that no one will know ) But Y2K was not a Christian thing at all.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jerry_Curls on Sep 18, 2008, 01:37 AM
People just want you to keep thinking of that deadline so you won't do anything to stop what is reallyhappening. Like "oh well, its going to happen in 2012, can't stop it now!"

It doesn't have to meant he end of the world literally, just the end of the way we live. It could either be total control of all the people, aliens projected into the sky by the elite so you will think it is real and you will obey them, etc.

Things are changing and people aren't doing anything because everyone is asleep.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Sep 18, 2008, 03:02 AM
you had a good point until you started talking about aliens and the elite
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: emotivelotion on Sep 18, 2008, 03:51 AM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Sep 18, 2008, 01:37 AM
Things are changing and people aren't doing anything because everyone is asleep.

i still see a point :)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Corleone on Sep 18, 2008, 04:15 AM
we are the aliens...


:P
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: devlin on Sep 18, 2008, 02:04 PM
Quote from: Variable on Sep 18, 2008, 12:15 AM
um.  I don't think its really accurate to say that the "Christians" predicted the world would end in 2000.  I mean, they have been saying that the "rapture" was coming since about 10 years after Jesus died.  Their have been a few nuts here and there trying to predict it ( even though the bible clearly states that no one will know ) But Y2K was not a Christian thing at all.

i wasn't refering to Y2K. i remember alot, but no not all, christians claiming that as as the date.

Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Sep 18, 2008, 01:37 AM
People just want you to keep thinking of that deadline so you won't do anything to stop what is reallyhappening. Like "oh well, its going to happen in 2012, can't stop it now!"

It doesn't have to meant he end of the world literally, just the end of the way we live. It could either be total control of all the people, aliens projected into the sky by the elite so you will think it is real and you will obey them, etc.

Things are changing and people aren't doing anything because everyone is asleep.

seriously? i'm not trying to make fun of you in any way, but do honestly believe thats a possibilty?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: lostpilot on Sep 18, 2008, 04:43 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Sep 18, 2008, 01:37 AM
Things are changing and people aren't doing anything because everyone is asleep.


absolutely agree.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Sep 18, 2008, 07:12 PM
Quote from: devlin on Sep 18, 2008, 02:04 PM
Quote from: Variable on Sep 18, 2008, 12:15 AM
um.  I don't think its really accurate to say that the "Christians" predicted the world would end in 2000.  I mean, they have been saying that the "rapture" was coming since about 10 years after Jesus died.  Their have been a few nuts here and there trying to predict it ( even though the bible clearly states that no one will know ) But Y2K was not a Christian thing at all.

i wasn't refering to Y2K. i remember alot, but no not all, christians claiming that as as the date.

Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Sep 18, 2008, 01:37 AM
People just want you to keep thinking of that deadline so you won't do anything to stop what is reallyhappening. Like "oh well, its going to happen in 2012, can't stop it now!"

It doesn't have to meant he end of the world literally, just the end of the way we live. It could either be total control of all the people, aliens projected into the sky by the elite so you will think it is real and you will obey them, etc.

Things are changing and people aren't doing anything because everyone is asleep.

seriously? i'm not trying to make fun of you in any way, but do honestly believe thats a possibilty?
well. I'm sure a lot of people were saying stupid shit about the millennium. Not just Christians.  But it was not a popular belief throughout the Christian church, nor the official policy of any denomination that I know of , that the rapture would happen in 2000.  I was just saying that I thought you threw that name out there a little loose is all.

and yes, Jerry does actually believe that.  Him and a couple other members here are pretty fucking crazy.  Not stupid though.  The fucked up thing is that some of the shit they believe actually had substance.  But then they take the truth, and what could actually be used as an eye opening experience for a lot of people.  And run it way out into left field so that no one wants to pay attention to them and thinks they are all just crazy ranting lunatics.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: devlin on Sep 18, 2008, 07:56 PM
Quote from: Variable on Sep 18, 2008, 07:12 PM
Quote from: devlin on Sep 18, 2008, 02:04 PM
Quote from: Variable on Sep 18, 2008, 12:15 AM
um.  I don't think its really accurate to say that the "Christians" predicted the world would end in 2000.  I mean, they have been saying that the "rapture" was coming since about 10 years after Jesus died.  Their have been a few nuts here and there trying to predict it ( even though the bible clearly states that no one will know ) But Y2K was not a Christian thing at all.

i wasn't refering to Y2K. i remember alot, but no not all, christians claiming that as as the date.

Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Sep 18, 2008, 01:37 AM
People just want you to keep thinking of that deadline so you won't do anything to stop what is reallyhappening. Like "oh well, its going to happen in 2012, can't stop it now!"

It doesn't have to meant he end of the world literally, just the end of the way we live. It could either be total control of all the people, aliens projected into the sky by the elite so you will think it is real and you will obey them, etc.

Things are changing and people aren't doing anything because everyone is asleep.

seriously? i'm not trying to make fun of you in any way, but do honestly believe thats a possibilty?
well. I'm sure a lot of people were saying stupid shit about the millennium. Not just Christians.  But it was not a popular belief throughout the Christian church, nor the official policy of any denomination that I know of , that the rapture would happen in 2000.  I was just saying that I thought you threw that name out there a little loose is all.

and yes, Jerry does actually believe that.  Him and a couple other members here are pretty fucking crazy.  Not stupid though.  The fucked up thing is that some of the shit they believe actually had substance.  But then they take the truth, and what could actually be used as an eye opening experience for a lot of people.  And run it way out into left field so that no one wants to pay attention to them and thinks they are all just crazy ranting lunatics.

i'm definitly not calling anyone stupid. i just can't fathom how anyone can believe stuff like this. but it goes both ways. i'm sure they can't believe i don't see any signs of change on the horizon.

i apologize for calling out christians, i get the impression you are one and i offended you. its the first similar situation that came to mind. and honestly i wanted to tell that trumpet joke. my jokes are mainly directed at the extreme zealots though. the blind followers.

mocking religion is something i do all to often, but never wanting to offend. i'm not religious so there just jokes to me. but i really respect and almost envy religious people. having faith like that and having the comfort that God is protecting and forgiving and that everything is part of his divine plan. i've tried to believe, i've read up some religions. mainly christianity. but just can't, it just doesn't click i guess.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Penicks on Sep 18, 2008, 09:38 PM
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 18, 2008, 04:15 AM
we are the aliens...


:P


(http://i35.tinypic.com/1tlphu.jpg)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Corleone on Sep 18, 2008, 11:24 PM
Quote from: Penicks on Sep 18, 2008, 09:38 PM
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 18, 2008, 04:15 AM
we are the aliens...


:P


(http://i35.tinypic.com/1tlphu.jpg)


ahahahahahaaha... wtf that made my day
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Sep 19, 2008, 12:36 AM
Quote from: devlin on Sep 18, 2008, 07:56 PM
Quote from: Variable on Sep 18, 2008, 07:12 PM
Quote from: devlin on Sep 18, 2008, 02:04 PM
Quote from: Variable on Sep 18, 2008, 12:15 AM
um.  I don't think its really accurate to say that the "Christians" predicted the world would end in 2000.  I mean, they have been saying that the "rapture" was coming since about 10 years after Jesus died.  Their have been a few nuts here and there trying to predict it ( even though the bible clearly states that no one will know ) But Y2K was not a Christian thing at all.

i wasn't refering to Y2K. i remember alot, but no not all, christians claiming that as as the date.

Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Sep 18, 2008, 01:37 AM
People just want you to keep thinking of that deadline so you won't do anything to stop what is reallyhappening. Like "oh well, its going to happen in 2012, can't stop it now!"

It doesn't have to meant he end of the world literally, just the end of the way we live. It could either be total control of all the people, aliens projected into the sky by the elite so you will think it is real and you will obey them, etc.

Things are changing and people aren't doing anything because everyone is asleep.

seriously? i'm not trying to make fun of you in any way, but do honestly believe thats a possibilty?
well. I'm sure a lot of people were saying stupid shit about the millennium. Not just Christians.  But it was not a popular belief throughout the Christian church, nor the official policy of any denomination that I know of , that the rapture would happen in 2000.  I was just saying that I thought you threw that name out there a little loose is all.

and yes, Jerry does actually believe that.  Him and a couple other members here are pretty fucking crazy.  Not stupid though.  The fucked up thing is that some of the shit they believe actually had substance.  But then they take the truth, and what could actually be used as an eye opening experience for a lot of people.  And run it way out into left field so that no one wants to pay attention to them and thinks they are all just crazy ranting lunatics.

i'm definitly not calling anyone stupid. i just can't fathom how anyone can believe stuff like this. but it goes both ways. i'm sure they can't believe i don't see any signs of change on the horizon.

i apologize for calling out christians, i get the impression you are one and i offended you. its the first similar situation that came to mind. and honestly i wanted to tell that trumpet joke. my jokes are mainly directed at the extreme zealots though. the blind followers.

mocking religion is something i do all to often, but never wanting to offend. i'm not religious so there just jokes to me. but i really respect and almost envy religious people. having faith like that and having the comfort that God is protecting and forgiving and that everything is part of his divine plan. i've tried to believe, i've read up some religions. mainly christianity. but just can't, it just doesn't click i guess.
Oh no, you're good.  I'm not a Christian.  I just like accuracy.  I would expect you to call me out if I said something inaccurate too.  If I think I know what im talking about, and I don't, I appreciate it when people let me know.  Its nothing personal.

It is amazing the things that people can passionately believe that seem so crazy.  But for every smooth talking sliver tongued government official who can make the public believe all kinds of bull shit, there is a crazy ass smooth talking silver tongued conspiracy theory nut who can take half truths and make some crazy shit seem true. 
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Oldnewtype on Sep 26, 2008, 01:05 AM
i dont think were gonna died in 2012 but given the current state of the world it is going to be entirely different in 3 years i promise.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Oldnewtype on Sep 26, 2008, 03:01 AM
ok ive been reading this stuff for about two hors now and you're all gonna think im crazy but here goes:


quite possibly, 2012 will be the end of civilization as we know it. not because of mayans, but because of top-secret time travel and hyperspace experiments. Just research the philadelphia experiment, the montauk project of the phoenix project and you will understand that a 40 year loop was formed when an experiment connected aug. 12 1943 with august 12 1983. another forty years from 83? 2013, or actually dec. 21st 2012. according preston nichols, who was involved with the projects, "No one has picked up a tangible future beyond 2012 AD. There is a very abrupt wall there with nothing on the other side. A working time vortex was created to the future. " meaning time travel will be accomplished in 2012. there are tons and tons of absolutely amazing details released by the doctors involved with these experiments including people being frozen in time, people going through time/space unsuccesfully and moving through the ship only to be stuck inside of the walls and floor of the ship when it returned, and even this, the final statement in his interview:
"At one point a creature came through and everyone went into a panic. They shut the transmitter off. The creature ate people and equipment. They had to go back and shut down the unit in Philadelphia in order to shut off the unit in the future so they could stop this creature in 1983. This was on August 12,1983. The vortex locked on to the August 12, 1943 test, formed a 40 year loop, which takes us to 2013."
My own personal opinion is this could have something to do with the LHC which at the current rate of the project might not have a completely succesful run for another four years. I knwo I sound crazy but i spent quite a while reading into this today and it all seems entirely logical. anyone interested can get started reading here: http://www.crystalinks.com/montauk.html
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: tarkil on Sep 26, 2008, 08:34 AM
Wow.... You can't be serious when you say you're actually believing in this kind of stuff dude ?


edit :
LOLZ @ your website :

Quote
Various conspiracy theorists claim that experiments began in earnest in the early 1980s. They claim that during this time one, some or all of the following occurred at the site. No evidence has ever been provided that any of the following is true:

    * The facility was expanded to as many as twelve levels and several hundred workers. Some reports have the facility extending under the town of Montauk itself.
    * Homeless people and orphans were abducted and subjected to huge amounts of electromagnetic radiation to test mind control technology and remote brain programming. Few survived.
    * People had their psychic abilities enhanced to the point where they could materialize objects out of thin air. Stewart Swerdlow claims to have been involved in the Montauk Project, and as a result, he says, his "psionic" faculties were boosted, but at the cost of emotional instability, post-traumatic stress disorder, and other issues. An alien supposedly designed a chair, which an individual could sit in to boost his mental and precipatory powers. A prototype duplicate was given to England and put in a facility on the Thames River.
    * Experiments were conducted in teleportation.
    * A "porthole (portal?) in time" was created which allowed researchers to travel anywhere in time or space. This was developed into a stable "Time Tunnel." Underground tunnels with abandoned cultural archives were explored on Mars using this technique.
    * Contact was made with alien extraterrestrials through the Time Tunnel and technology was exchanged with them which enhanced the project. This allowed broader access to "hyperspace".
    * Mind control experiments were conducted and runaway and kidnapped boys were abducted and brought out to the base where they underwent excruciating periods of both physical and mental torture in order to break their minds, then their minds were re-programmed. Many were supposedly killed during the process and buried on the site. Others were released with programming as mind-slaves with alternate personalities to be sleeper cells who could be activated to perform missions.
    * On or about on August 12, 1983 the time travel project at Camp Hero interlocked in hyperspace with the original Rainbow Project back in 1943. The USS Eldridge was drawn into hyperspace and trapped there. Two men, Al Bielek and Duncan Cameron both claim to have leaped from the deck of the Eldridge while it was in hyperspace and ended up after a period of severe disorientation at Camp Hero in the year 1983. Here they claim to have met John von Neumann, a famous physicist and mathematician, even though he was known to have died in 1957. Von Neumann had supposedly worked on the original Philadelphia Experiment, but the U.S. Navy denies this.
    * Flying saucers were observing the Philadelphia Experiment in 1943 and and got sucked into a time warp and was transported to one of the underground tunnels in Montauk and got stuck there. The aliens demanded a large quartz crystal to help get their ship's engines started to be able to leave. The time machine was used to obtain one from another planet.
    * Nikola Tesla, whose death was faked in a Conspiracy, was the chief director of operations at the base. Mass psychological experiments, such as the use of enormous subliminal messages projects and the creation of a "Men in Black" corps to confuse and frighten the public, were invented there.
    * Professional wrestler Rob Van Dam claims to have accidentally stumbled upon the area while driving to an arena. During one hour's time, he went into the time tunnel and claimed to have met Nikola Tesla, who told him that he was "...going to return in 2007 to end it all".
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Sep 26, 2008, 10:28 AM
RVD!
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Oldnewtype on Sep 26, 2008, 06:03 PM
yeah that shit is hilarious.


but thats 1 paragraph of about 100 or so pages i read so thats kinda unfair to take that one paragraph out of context.


you dont have to believe it all, analyze as much information as you can and then use your own good judgement to pick out whats logical and whats illogical. thats what i do.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: sharingbuns on Nov 13, 2008, 01:00 AM
this is a pretty sweet thread
didn't the mayans have a calendar or clock or something that was a little more accurate than the one we use today?
the whole 2012 thing is very interesting to me i'm such a closet nerd
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Variable on Nov 14, 2008, 10:16 AM
If you take the word closet out of your last statement, we all agree
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jizzlobber on Nov 14, 2008, 05:39 PM
Quote from: Variable on Nov 14, 2008, 10:16 AM
If you take the word closet out of your last statement, we all agree

i certainly agree.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: devlin on Nov 14, 2008, 07:36 PM
Quote from: sharingbuns on Nov 13, 2008, 01:00 AM
this is a pretty sweet thread
didn't the mayans have a calendar or clock or something that was a little more accurate than the one we use today?
the whole 2012 thing is very interesting to me i'm such a closet nerd

slightly less acurate, but only but like 4 days or something like that. if i remember correctly. but still crazy impressive considering when it was developed.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: sharingbuns on Nov 14, 2008, 09:37 PM
8,000 posts and 2,000 posts, and you're calling me a nerd?
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: devlin on Nov 14, 2008, 09:39 PM
uh oh i think they're gettin' sassy wit u
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: sharingbuns on Nov 14, 2008, 09:40 PM
i know right
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: goldpony on Nov 14, 2008, 11:14 PM
no, just pointin out the obvious. besides it takes one to know one, duh.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Corleone on Oct 03, 2009, 07:24 PM
Anyone watch The Obama Deception?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7886780711843120756#


Talks about the federal bank and the intent to govern the entire world.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Oct 03, 2009, 07:47 PM
Reply #207 on: Nov 14, 2008, 01:14 PM

Reply #208 on: Today at 09:24 AM

Lawl.

But seriously, this is relevant to my interests.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jerry_Curls on Oct 04, 2009, 01:43 PM
Quote from: Corleone on Oct 03, 2009, 07:24 PM
Anyone watch The Obama Deception?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7886780711843120756#


Talks about the federal bank and the intent to govern the entire world.

Yea it s a good documentary to show that obama [and others like G.W and clitoris clinton] are all just puppets. FUCK THOSE FOOSL. FUCK QUEEN ELIZABETH.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Eros TBA on Feb 02, 2012, 10:19 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PUD0olhKo1o/TufG4uaBSZI/AAAAAAAABVs/lQfLpJZ66-k/s1600/yeti.jpg)
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Feb 27, 2012, 08:52 PM
It's funny when these old threads get bumped. I always see my old posts and realize how asinine I must have seemed, and then realize that in a couple years, my current self will look just as retarded to me as well.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: snw9 on Feb 28, 2012, 06:18 PM
Almost near the end of the first quarter of 2012 but nothing yet.
Most likely a media hype, ESPECIALLY the whole Mayan calendar thing
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: Jacob on Feb 28, 2012, 06:34 PM
Quote from: snw9 on Feb 28, 2012, 06:18 PM
Almost near the end of the first quarter of 2012 but nothing yet.
Most likely a media hype, ESPECIALLY the whole Mayan calendar thing

it's not any random day during 2012 the world will end. it's december 21. so there's still hope!
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: bright lights, big city on Feb 28, 2012, 08:59 PM
Quote from: Jacob on Feb 28, 2012, 06:34 PM
Quote from: snw9 on Feb 28, 2012, 06:18 PM
Almost near the end of the first quarter of 2012 but nothing yet.
Most likely a media hype, ESPECIALLY the whole Mayan calendar thing

it's not any random day during 2012 the world will end. it's december 21. so there's still hope!
aww yea, can't wait! Just like Leap Day, I'm planning a huge part-ay.
Title: Re: Crystal Skulls: the year 2012 and other Myths
Post by: TheyCallMeP on Apr 09, 2012, 10:08 PM
Pssshhh, what did those Mayans know anyway?