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Slapin There own mom

wheres the dad?

so this fucker can get a beatin with the belt

what a repressive and reactionary bitch that is.

if she feels like a boss, she needed to fail in raising her child.


i do you guys blame the kid?

When I read that you said this kid hit his mom, I was like... "Oh hell NO, let me watch this lil bastid in action."     Then I watch the whole tape, and what I see is a kid that is really hurting, and desperatly wanting her attention.  He should not have struck her, that is a no brainer.... but I was saddened watching their interaction.   I have a 12 yr old son, and I could not imagine THAT being US.     You are right, she has failed raising him...    Hopefully they got some help....

If I woulda done that to my mom when I was a kid,she woulda beat the shit outta me. Seems to me like that kids an overly dramatic spoiled fucking brat. He has no right talking to her the way he did,he's acting as her equal when he in fact is not. And this is only one side of the life they live,this kid could be like this every fucking day and it probably drains the shit out of that woman. Help is definitely needed.

He is not her equal, but he is allowed to speak to her in a manner in which he is.  Something went seriously wrong along the way.....

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 07, 2008, 12:36 AM
what a repressive and reactionary bitch that is.

if she feels like a boss, she needed to fail in raising her child.


i do you guys blame the kid?

dude I have no idea what you were trying to communicate there.


See, this shit right here is a perfect example of how weak our society has become.  This little shit is crying because he had a mark on his arm for 20 min.  What a fucking fat, worthless, pussy.  Your parents are not supposed to be your friends, they are guardians,providers,teachers, nurturers, and disciplinarians.  Not friends.

sinner this kid is hurting and desperate for her attention because he is a whinny , weak bitch.  He needs to get the shit beat out him and a serious reality check.  This is the same kid I have seen 1,000 times in the ER crying about whatever. Taking a bottle of pills because no one cared when they finished a book ( seriously , true story ) The last thing those kids need is for their parents to play into their bull shit.  If you have me one month with little fuckers like that.  They would hate me, but I guarantee they would see the world through different eyes.  And they would appreciate how good they have it.

What a useless cunty brat..... I would have so knocked him out....

Yeah, it is interesting where is his father.
My parents would have already beaten the shit out of him.

Kids need your discipline! (Trent Reznor, lol)

QuoteSee, this shit right here is a perfect example of how weak our society has become.  This little shit is crying because he had a mark on his arm for 20 min.  What a fucking fat, worthless, pussy.  Your parents are not supposed to be your friends, they are guardians,providers,teachers, nurturers, and disciplinarians.  Not friends.

i feel so sorry for everyone here thinking that it would be better to beat the shit out of this child. simply ask yourself y he has become a whiny attention whore. and than look at his mother and how she treats him as he wouldnt be equal to her. i do agree that there have to be certain rules in education. but when it comes to a meta-communication and even there she disrupt his words that is so wrong. it is oppressing and so its almost logic that he slaps her. that was the only way to show her what he is thinking.

QuoteSee, this shit right here is a perfect example of how weak our society has become.

our (i think i can compare germany here to the usa) society is not weak because there is to less order, rules and stuff like that. the oppoisite is the case. the whole nation rather watches tv than developing some kind of critical thinking. that is, y they are weak.

Proverbs 13-24: Spare the Rod, spoil the child

No,the problem nowdays is parents DONT spank their kids!!! "BACK IN THE DAY",if our parents had talked to their parents like that kid did,they would have gotten beaten. And most,NOT ALL,but most of todays 40-50+ year old people did a good job raising kids,better than most do nowadays.   A lot of todays parents are fucking wimpy,and that results in children like that. There is NO EXCUSE for a child to act like that. Point is...he's a CHILD not an adult.

lolz @ back in the day.   There was abuse straight up "back in the day".... also, back in the day.. they had a ton of kids to do their work... Alot of their children didn't go to school as they were busy working, or babysitting the younger children.       


I am all for spankings.. if it's deserved....


I don't have to deal with this bullshit this kid pulls... with my children, as my kids mind me.... I don't have to deal with this because I don't tell my kids to shut up all fucking day long.   Some parents just don't want to deal with their kids, and it's a shame. 

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 07, 2008, 03:07 PM
And most,NOT ALL,but most of todays 40-50+ year old people did a good job raising kids,better than most do nowadays.

i agree they did better than our generation does. because of 1968 and its achievements to child education (not saying that the anti-autoritary education of 1968 was the non plus ultra but it had some good impacts for sure).
also today everyone will tell you (i mean every pedagogue) that a liberal, athoritative education is prefered over the shit that you and this mother in this video praises. i just have no idea y this concept of education isnt common knowledge and certainly there are some other influences on education.

if you instead mean like 100 years ago then probablly ask yourself, how a whole nation wanted to follow Adolf Hitler. im sure that a wrong (repressive) education was playing a big role because noone was able to speak against the authority as this brave child in the video does.

QuoteThe premier demand upon all education is that Auschwitz not happen again. Its
priority before any other requirement is such that I believe I need not and should not
justify it. I cannot understand why it has been given so little concern until now. To
justify it would be monstrous in the face of the monstrosity that took place. Yet the
fact that one is so barely conscious of this demand and the questions it raises shows
that the monstrosity has not penetrated people's minds deeply, itself a symptom of the
continuing potential for its recurrence as far as peoples' conscious and unconscious is
concerned. Every debate about the ideals of education is trivial and inconsequential
compared to this single ideal: never again Auschwitz

Theodor W. Adorno

fake.

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 07, 2008, 04:37 PM

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 07, 2008, 03:07 PM
And most,NOT ALL,but most of todays 40-50+ year old people did a good job raising kids,better than most do nowadays.

i agree they did better than our generation does. because of 1968 and its achievements to child education (not saying that the anti-autoritary education of 1968 was the non plus ultra but it had some good impacts for sure).
also today everyone will tell you (i mean every pedagogue) that a liberal, athoritative education is prefered over the shit that you and this mother in this video praises. i just have no idea y this concept of education isnt common knowledge and certainly there are some other influences on education.

if you instead mean like 100 years ago then probablly ask yourself, how a whole nation wanted to follow Adolf Hitler. im sure that a wrong (repressive) education was playing a big role because noone was able to speak against the authority as this brave child in the video does.

QuoteThe premier demand upon all education is that Auschwitz not happen again. Its
priority before any other requirement is such that I believe I need not and should not
justify it. I cannot understand why it has been given so little concern until now. To
justify it would be monstrous in the face of the monstrosity that took place. Yet the
fact that one is so barely conscious of this demand and the questions it raises shows
that the monstrosity has not penetrated people's minds deeply, itself a symptom of the
continuing potential for its recurrence as far as peoples' conscious and unconscious is
concerned. Every debate about the ideals of education is trivial and inconsequential
compared to this single ideal: never again Auschwitz

Theodor W. Adorno

I'm not sure where you're from,but I'm pretty sure Americans didn't want to follow Hitler. And unfortunately,there isn't a manual for parenting. Some people are made for it,some aren't.  Luckily I'm a great mom with awesome kids.

QuoteAnd unfortunately,there isn't a manual for parenting. Some people are made for it,some aren't

if there is a free will than you have a lot in your own hands. its your decision if you beat your child or not. and i think you cans also decide whether to speak about problems with your child or just stay quiete about those.

QuoteI'm not sure where you're from,but I'm pretty sure Americans didn't want to follow Hitler

im from germany. and its obvious that germans followed him.

there would be enough other examples where people followed some "charismatic" guy even though with just a little bit of a critical mind they would have denied their fellowship.

ask yourself if your children would be strong enough to say "no" even though everyone of their friends jump around commiting genocide. or if they are strong enough to argue with their teacher. can resist the influence of authorities?

QuoteLuckily I'm a great mom with awesome kids.

bad argument. i cant falsify this ;)

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 07, 2008, 09:21 PM


ask yourself if your children would be strong enough to say "no" even though everyone of their friends jump around commiting genocide. or if they are strong enough to argue with their teacher. can resist the influence of authorities?

QuoteLuckily I'm a great mom with awesome kids.

bad argument. i cant falsify this ;)

I can confidently say that my children would NEVER fight with a teacher,why?!?! Because they have MANNERS! My son is going on his 5th year of school,and has had nothing but praise from his teachers for his incredible behavior. They aren't easily influenced by other children,I've seen kids try to get my kids to do some retarded shit,and they just ignore them...because they are smart and know what not to do.

And joking or not,you don't know shit about me,so don't call me a bad parent.


Do you have children?

Effective discipline "back in the day" produced what you see now... times change, its what happens... theres no break in the link/system...this so called "great generation(s)" did what?? created wars. thats what "nailec" is getting at i see...

"im tired of old men thinking up wars for young men to die in"-hunter s. thompson

the point is its a "society thing". kids see now adays that their parents only fall under the umbrella of society. the thing is; is that in today's society the level of exposure "internet, television, etc etc" to the rest of the "globalized world" has kids seeing their parents as "less than the world". when you speak of back in the day, your talking of a vastly different era where families were much more rural (less industrialized) and contact was limited, -therefore having the family system (reasons for spawning more children than nowadays) was to work the farm and affect the family system in a whole different way. parents in "those" days were much higher in position to their kids... parents were nurturers, teachers, disciplinarians (thanks variable), and most effectively they were "God" in a great sense., in this much more reclusive life style. the amount of exposure these days has kids unconciously seeking out this raw justice of "equal rights" and whatnot. its true, they hear of abuse and all these other domestic malfeasances' (formerly unknown as TABOO to them) and shun their parents authority. just as has already been said, its on television... its on the internet, its everywhere, and if they dont get it at home, they'll damn sure get it in school, the workplace, the playground, or wherever.... some kids trun out alright, but now when kids may be a little "individualistic"-which carries certain, and "different" character traits (like obsessive compulsive issues, and temper/mood differentials) SOCIETY accentuates these issues to greater degrees "than ever thought possible".

"We're in the midst of something new, and the old is all but lost as it dies out. Your dearly famed 'greatest generation' (product of two world wars and countless acts of cruel, pompous agression to Africans, Jews, and countless other racial minorities, The mentally retarded/the mentally ill, homosexuals, and all other things different (or rather unknown), is DYING.... And for fuck sake im glad.... this is the 'back in the day' you speak of, and many besides you, resent!"

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 07, 2008, 09:40 PM

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 07, 2008, 09:21 PM


ask yourself if your children would be strong enough to say "no" even though everyone of their friends jump around commiting genocide. or if they are strong enough to argue with their teacher. can resist the influence of authorities?

QuoteLuckily I'm a great mom with awesome kids.

bad argument. i cant falsify this ;)

I can confidently say that my children would NEVER fight with a teacher,why?!?! Because they have MANNERS! My son is going on his 5th year of school,and has had nothing but praise from his teachers for his incredible behavior. They aren't easily influenced by other children,I've seen kids try to get my kids to do some retarded shit,and they just ignore them...because they are smart and know what not to do.

And joking or not,you don't know shit about me,so don't call me a bad parent.


Do you have children?

first of all: i think it must be a consense that we all dont tolerate violence. the resitance i defend is non-violent of course.

Quoteso don't call me a bad parent.

where have i? please read me benevolently.

QuoteDo you have children?

sorry.

no i dont. but y this question? do you think i am not allowed to talk on a topic i am not directly involved with? (also excuse that i dont read your question benevolently. but it happend so many times that people didnt allow me to discuss just because im not involved)

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 07, 2008, 09:52 PM
first of all: i think it must be a consense that we all dont tolerate violence. the resitance i defend is non-violent of course.

[EXACTLY]


Bless us all.

Quote from: wither-I on Jun 07, 2008, 10:01 PM

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 07, 2008, 09:52 PM
first of all: i think it must be a consense that we all dont tolerate violence. the resitance i defend is non-violent of course.

[EXACTLY]


Bless us all.

actually my statement is pretty wrong. if there ever again i guy like hitler comes and you have to chance to kill him, plz do it.

dont kill your teachers but plz kill evil dictators. its not seen as a murder, its a rescue^^

people need reign... its part of the herd instinct.

sadly of course.

and this is where our bombasity derives from.
"Primal Nature"/
War is still today seen as "survival of the fittest" just ask "Nationalism" or your neighborhood patriot.

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 07, 2008, 09:52 PM

Quoteso don't call me a bad parent.

where have i? please read me benevolently.

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 07, 2008, 09:21 PM

QuoteLuckily I'm a great mom with awesome kids.

bad argument. i cant falsify this ;)

And I dont believe in hardcore violence,I'm hugely against war and will not watch any movies with war involved. But i do believe you can discipline your child. I dont mean beat them till they are unconscious or bruised or bleeding,but a pop on the butt. And all that "time out" bullshit...give me a break. Verbally can sometimes hurt them more than a hand on the butt. 

And the reason I ask if you have children,is because it's sooo easy to say "oh im gonna be like this and do this and teach my child this",but when the time comes,things dont go exactly as you plan and your child doesn't do exactly what you thought they would do. Having children is a live and learn situation,and you never know how things will go till you have them.

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LOL..yeas..beating ur child TOO hard will change his race and make him sexually attracted to little kids. LOL ewww

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 07, 2008, 11:17 PM
LOL..yeas..beating ur child TOO hard will change his race and make him sexually attracted to little kids. LOL ewww

but....theyll be able to do this (http://www.univie.ac.at/cga/art/mowtown25moonwalk.gif) anddddd buy you a house in Nepal.

I say beatem till they scream betty

I wonder if he learned that backing away from his dad?? Hmmmmmmm.....


*ponders*

naw, his pet mouse that his dad killed gave him that idea..he does it for JUSTICE in the name of all evil parents

again, it all comes down to effective communication, as in any relationship. if you want to raise your kid without hitting, this is what it takes. it also helps to take an active interest in their lives rather than just treating them like a dog. at the same time, your kid has to respect you and if you give respect, you get respect.

im not a parent but i see that most kids (that twats age) definition of respect means staying up until 9 & watching TV or not wanting to bath or some shit .....

if i was that kids dad or that womans husband and that was mine,  id be in jail for punching that little bastard right in the back of the neck

LOL! I do agree that a child's idea of "respect" is really just them getting their way.

in a few years that kid will have a dick in his mouth and bad drug habits

Quote from: lithium on Jun 09, 2008, 07:31 PM
in a few years that kid will have a dick in his mouth and bad drug habits

;D ;D ;D

Quote from: lithium on Jun 09, 2008, 07:31 PM
in a few years that kid will have a dick in his mouth and bad drug habits

my guess is he will be a clever kid that has learned to think for himself rather than letting himself control by some teachers or whatever.

and id like to punch yor for mentioning homsexuality and drug abuse in one line. the homophobia on this board is scary

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 09, 2008, 10:04 PM

Quote from: lithium on Jun 09, 2008, 07:31 PM
in a few years that kid will have a dick in his mouth and bad drug habits

my guess is he will be a clever kid that has learned to think for himself rather than letting himself control by some teachers or whatever.

and id like to punch yor for mentioning homsexuality and drug abuse in one line. the homophobia on this board is scary

did you ever suck dick for coke?!? boo this man off the stage

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 09, 2008, 10:04 PM

Quote from: lithium on Jun 09, 2008, 07:31 PM
in a few years that kid will have a dick in his mouth and bad drug habits

my guess is he will be a clever kid that has learned to think for himself rather than letting himself control by some teachers or whatever.

and id like to punch yor for mentioning homsexuality and drug abuse in one line. the homophobia on this board is scary

What's your deal with teachers pushing kids around? You get pushed around by a teacher?? This has nothing to do with teachers,but that's all you keep bringing up for some reason.

  And look at you wanting to use violence....I thought that wasn't the way???

is it true white people raise their kids spoiled? lol in american you cant hit your kids. in the other country you can hit your kids

QuoteAnd look at you wanting to use violence....I thought that wasn't the way???

ahaha sorry. that was my internet-me ;)

Quote from: deafnotes on Jun 10, 2008, 06:47 AM
is it true white people raise their kids spoiled? lol in american you cant hit your kids. in the other country you can hit your kids

Well,I think you can't help but spoil your children,but they also need to learn how to appreciate what you do for them. I will admit my children are spoiled,but they are grateful for everything they have. When they have great behavior,I don't mind spoiling them. I am very proud of them.

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 10, 2008, 02:34 PM

Quote from: deafnotes on Jun 10, 2008, 06:47 AM
is it true white people raise their kids spoiled? lol in american you cant hit your kids. in the other country you can hit your kids

Well,I think you can't help but spoil your children,but they also need to learn how to appreciate what you do for them. I will admit my children are spoiled,but they are grateful for everything they have. When they have great behavior,I don't mind spoiling them. I am very proud of them.

i think spoiled is a bad term. if you buy your kids a toy, some people think you are spoiling them. being spoiled to me means not being grateful for the things you have and receive and not giving back in kind. in other words being selfish. for instance, since my daughter is the only grandchild, her grandparents buy her stuff all the time, even though she doesnt ask for it. but the funny thing is, she could care less about the material gifts and just likes to spend time with her grandparents

That's learned behavior from somewhere.  I wonder where he got it from.  He sounded like an abusive husband only with that whiny little boy edge to it.

Quote from: wither-I on Jun 07, 2008, 09:47 PM
Effective discipline "back in the day" produced what you see now... times change, its what happens... theres no break in the link/system...this so called "great generation(s)" did what?? created wars. thats what "nailec" is getting at i see...

"im tired of old men thinking up wars for young men to die in"-hunter s. thompson

the point is its a "society thing". kids see now adays that their parents only fall under the umbrella of society. the thing is; is that in today's society the level of exposure "internet, television, etc etc" to the rest of the "globalized world" has kids seeing their parents as "less than the world". when you speak of back in the day, your talking of a vastly different era where families were much more rural (less industrialized) and contact was limited, -therefore having the family system (reasons for spawning more children than nowadays) was to work the farm and affect the family system in a whole different way. parents in "those" days were much higher in position to their kids... parents were nurturers, teachers, disciplinarians (thanks variable), and most effectively they were "God" in a great sense., in this much more reclusive life style. the amount of exposure these days has kids unconciously seeking out this raw justice of "equal rights" and whatnot. its true, they hear of abuse and all these other domestic malfeasances' (formerly unknown as TABOO to them) and shun their parents authority. just as has already been said, its on television... its on the internet, its everywhere, and if they dont get it at home, they'll damn sure get it in school, the workplace, the playground, or wherever.... some kids trun out alright, but now when kids may be a little "individualistic"-which carries certain, and "different" character traits (like obsessive compulsive issues, and temper/mood differentials) SOCIETY accentuates these issues to greater degrees "than ever thought possible".

"We're in the midst of something new, and the old is all but lost as it dies out. Your dearly famed 'greatest generation' (product of two world wars and countless acts of cruel, pompous agression to Africans, Jews, and countless other racial minorities, The mentally retarded/the mentally ill, homosexuals, and all other things different (or rather unknown), is DYING.... And for fuck sake im glad.... this is the 'back in the day' you speak of, and many besides you, resent!"

Are you a fucking idiot?  The great generation that was being spoke of did not create any wars.  WW1 and WW2 had absolutely nothing to do with America.  That's why we had a delayed entrance into both wars.  Those generations wanted to avoid going to war, and only did so when they saw how bad things were getting.  Then they not only unified as a country ,changed American industry, and made great fanatical sacrifices to achieve a common goal ( victory )  But they also rebuilt the war torn countries that they went into to in order to show the world that they America ( as we are very different today) was not about war and imperialism.  They were a great generation, they accomplished a lot.  And they deserve respect.  Not to be belittled by some bum whose greatest life accomplishment will be doing the creature walk.

You cant hold it against this generation that society had not progressed beyond racism and hate towards certain life styles.  It takes a LONG time for Societies to be enlightened.  You can try to hold you head high and be smug about how progressive you are now.  But without them starting the movement one person at a time, little by little.  You would have never gotten there.  Its really, really sad to see people forget the great accomplishments of the past.  You think the country you were born into was this great over night?  Our founding fathers (men I consider to be some of the best in all of history) Owned slaves and called for war.  Should I write them off as racist war mongers?  Or should I try to understand the time and culture and see them for who they really are.  You really have no right at all to judge that generation.

Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 07, 2008, 04:01 PM
lolz @ back in the day.   There was abuse straight up "back in the day".... also, back in the day.. they had a ton of kids to do their work... Alot of their children didn't go to school as they were busy working, or babysitting the younger children.       


I am all for spankings.. if it's deserved....


I don't have to deal with this bullshit this kid pulls... with my children, as my kids mind me.... I don't have to deal with this because I don't tell my kids to shut up all fucking day long.   Some parents just don't want to deal with their kids, and it's a shame. 

Hey sinner, I hate to go against you.  But there is straight up abuse today too.  And just because parents actually disciplined their kids back then, did not make it abuse.  Sometimes kids need a paddle to their ass.  Other times you need to straight tell them the truth, that they are acting like total fucking morons.  There are obviously lines, obviously.  However many have backed way too far away from that line and have just become cushy. Not only are they raising brats.  But weak brats.  Useless members of society that I personally don't feel like carrying on my back.  I look at the results of that "abuse" "back in the day" and I would take that any day over the shit that we are producing today

QuoteBut they also rebuilt the war torn countries that they went into to in order to show the world that they America ( as we are very different today) was not about war and imperialism.

i think this is the positive way to see this. you could also say they needed those countries ( i can only speak of western germany) as allies against russia.

in fact they did not very much for the denazification of germany which was a main reason for the 68 movement in germany.
there still have been old nazis in all institutions: schools, political parties etc. etc.


with what i have written, i just want you to see things a little bit differentiated.

There is a huge difference in what I meant Trey.   Yes, I am aware that there is abuse now... DUH.   But it was nothing back then for the parents to WHIP their kids asses on the fly...   I don't know if it was more helpful, or harmful.   I mean they raised what they thought were "good kids"  because they were "seen and not heard" .... but how many of you have OLD relatives that were alcoholics and such.   I know you know about me being a mom and you have talked to my children.  My point was, I would not even WANT to raise MY kids like they did "in the old days"....   and it's silly for anyone to talk about it even, as everything has changed around us.      I love for my kids to tell me what they think about things... I love that they feel they can talk to me.    I don't agree with the "See and not hear" approach.    You have to be able to listen to your children, and they need to respect and listen to you.

ok if i was dr. phil. heres what id say


you are both terrible actors. how do i keep my show

but. if this actually was real. id say this


listen miss. your son is a tubbo. he has never gotten any play from any of the ladies his entire life. and that is why he is on complete edge.. you ma'am are past your years of getting any play from the boys. so your personality has become as clamped up as your vag

http://youtube.com/watch?v=I_zaef2ZFUc




these parents are fucking retards man. its actually making me angry.. im on the kids side just by how dumb the parents are acting with the cameras on..

Dude, the kid is like 11.   I don't quite think he's quite old enough to be getting "play" and highly doubt that's why he's on edge.

we are overthinking this anyway. ITS FAKE

Quote from: Fireal1222 on Jun 11, 2008, 12:22 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I_zaef2ZFUc




these parents are fucking retards man. its actually making me angry.. im on the kids side just by how dumb the parents are acting with the cameras on..

I'm not even gonna watch it cause i'm sure it will make my headache worse.... And I hate Dr Phil. You'd be amazed at all the fucked up parents in the world. there are very few of us "cool" parents.

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Quote from: blondie on Jun 11, 2008, 12:40 AM
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lmao

Quote from: Variable on Jun 10, 2008, 09:31 PM

Quote from: wither-I on Jun 07, 2008, 09:47 PM
Effective discipline "back in the day" produced what you see now... times change, its what happens... theres no break in the link/system...this so called "great generation(s)" did what?? created wars. thats what "nailec" is getting at i see...

"im tired of old men thinking up wars for young men to die in"-hunter s. thompson

the point is its a "society thing". kids see now adays that their parents only fall under the umbrella of society. the thing is; is that in today's society the level of exposure "internet, television, etc etc" to the rest of the "globalized world" has kids seeing their parents as "less than the world". when you speak of back in the day, your talking of a vastly different era where families were much more rural (less industrialized) and contact was limited, -therefore having the family system (reasons for spawning more children than nowadays) was to work the farm and affect the family system in a whole different way. parents in "those" days were much higher in position to their kids... parents were nurturers, teachers, disciplinarians (thanks variable), and most effectively they were "God" in a great sense., in this much more reclusive life style. the amount of exposure these days has kids unconciously seeking out this raw justice of "equal rights" and whatnot. its true, they hear of abuse and all these other domestic malfeasances' (formerly unknown as TABOO to them) and shun their parents authority. just as has already been said, its on television... its on the internet, its everywhere, and if they dont get it at home, they'll damn sure get it in school, the workplace, the playground, or wherever.... some kids trun out alright, but now when kids may be a little "individualistic"-which carries certain, and "different" character traits (like obsessive compulsive issues, and temper/mood differentials) SOCIETY accentuates these issues to greater degrees "than ever thought possible".

"We're in the midst of something new, and the old is all but lost as it dies out. Your dearly famed 'greatest generation' (product of two world wars and countless acts of cruel, pompous agression to Africans, Jews, and countless other racial minorities, The mentally retarded/the mentally ill, homosexuals, and all other things different (or rather unknown), is DYING.... And for fuck sake im glad.... this is the 'back in the day' you speak of, and many besides you, resent!"

Are you a fucking idiot?  The great generation that was being spoke of did not create any wars.  WW1 and WW2 had absolutely nothing to do with America.  That’s why we had a delayed entrance into both wars.  Those generations wanted to avoid going to war, and only did so when they saw how bad things were getting.  Then they not only unified as a country ,changed American industry, and made great fanatical sacrifices to achieve a common goal ( victory )  But they also rebuilt the war torn countries that they went into to in order to show the world that they America ( as we are very different today) was not about war and imperialism.  They were a great generation, they accomplished a lot.  And they deserve respect.  Not to be belittled by some bum whose greatest life accomplishment will be doing the creature walk.

You cant hold it against this generation that society had not progressed beyond racism and hate towards certain life styles.  It takes a LONG time for Societies to be enlightened.  You can try to hold you head high and be smug about how progressive you are now.  But without them starting the movement one person at a time, little by little.  You would have never gotten there.  Its really, really sad to see people forget the great accomplishments of the past.  You think the country you were born into was this great over night?  Our founding fathers (men I consider to be some of the best in all of history) Owned slaves and called for war.  Should I write them off as racist war mongers?  Or should I try to understand the time and culture and see them for who they really are.  You really have no right at all to judge that generation.

my bad dude... i guess i didnt spell it out... i meant "the greatest generation" refering to the period between and/or during the two world wars, I and II... (not sure the exact period when they consider the greatest generation to have been wrought)...not meaning that they created them.

they created vietnam.

and i dont think i live in a "great" place at all (refering to America). freedom (true freedom) is ellusive around the world entire...
all we can do is hope for different. im sorry i just cannot condone any form of opression or violence, whether you see it as conventional and necessary means for instating security or not... i stand for true peace with no exception... i could never kill a man, ever, for no reason, id rather be done.

That is easy for you to say because you have not grown up in a world that forced you to be violent.  If you were a Jew, and the Nazis were coming.  And the only hope of survival for you and your family were to kill the two boys coming for you.  Ill bet you would kill in a second and get your family to freedom.  Your ideas of war are obviously sculpted around Vietnam and Operation Iraqi Freedom.  Two very unpopular wars that most people found unnecessary.  I dont really care what your opinion of those wars is.  But what is important to remember is that SOMETIMES, war is necessary.  Sometimes fighting is the right thing to do.  And when it was the right thing to do, that generation stood up and sacrificed a lot to do it.  Its fucking sick that anyone would forget what they did and even condemn them for what they did.  You think I like the fact that all those boys died?  Who knows how many more FDRs and Ben Franklins our country could have seen without all that death.  But they stood up and did what was right,because it was right.  Sitting back and doing nothing but preaching peace would have been a horrible tragedy and waste of time.  But you need to remember Its easy to try and think you are progressive and take the high road on this peace bull shit.  But thats just because you are afforded that luxury because of the great life you live due to the country that those "war mongers" created for you.  Try paying attention to history so that you can remember where you actually came from, and how bad it could be.  And stop speaking with absolutes.  Anyone who deals with absolutes is a moron. 

And you're right about the "Greatest generation" being the WW2 era of men and women.  And you can say they created Vietnam.  But you might take a look at French imperialism before you say that(sorry tarkil).  You might also try to truly understand the genuine fear and concern that america felt due to the spread of communism ( refrence Koirea, the violence of the soviet union.....and just for fun,watch "red dawn" ........people were genuinly scared for the survival of democracy.)  You might also want to remember that generation raised the generation that fought the cold war.  Cold because there was not a shot fired.  Sounds like your kind of war.  But go on and forget the great accomplishments of these men and women.  Thats a much more intelligent approach.

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 10, 2008, 10:01 PM

QuoteBut they also rebuilt the war torn countries that they went into to in order to show the world that they America ( as we are very different today) was not about war and imperialism.

i think this is the positive way to see this. you could also say they needed those countries ( i can only speak of western germany) as allies against russia.

in fact they did not very much for the denazification of germany which was a main reason for the 68 movement in germany.
there still have been old nazis in all institutions: schools, political parties etc. etc.


with what i have written, i just want you to see things a little bit differentiated.

Well you could say that.  But seeing as how they rebuilt japan but would not allow them to have a military ( to this very day) I dont quite think you're on the right track.  Im not saying that the government was not thinking of powerful allies and the possibility of the economic gain that can be obtained from building up countries.  But is it really that hard to believe that the average joe American supported their governments decision just because they were sick and tired of seeing the world torn apart and in agony? 

Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 12:42 AM
That is easy for you to say because you have not grown up in a world that forced you to be violent. 

But what is important to remember is that SOMETIMES, war is necessary.  Sometimes fighting is the right thing to do. 

Who knows how many more FDRs and Ben Franklins our country could have seen without all that death.  

Sitting back and doing nothing but preaching peace would have been a horrible tragedy and waste of time.  But you need to remember Its easy to try and think you are progressive and take the high road on this peace bull shit.  But thats just because you are afforded that luxury because of the great life you live due to the country that those "war mongers" created for you.  Try paying attention to history so that you can remember where you actually came from, and how bad it could be.  And stop speaking with absolutes.  Anyone who deals with absolutes is a moron. 

You obviously have no earthly idea who i am, and much less the life i have lived. you know the greatest deal of nothing concerning my life whatsoever. im going to fail to tell you as well. you believe i am just some rich, novelty kid off the park bench who doesnt know nothing of who i am and where i came from (history which made me)... that i seemingly fell to my convictions because im so "progressive" in my little collegiate funhouse.... i can only spare to you, your pretentious and volatile "ASSUMPTIONS" of who "I" am...

keep dreaming that you "know"

im sure of knowing i have never known anything at all.

if war is necessary to you, i have empathy for your kind.
"there CAN be another way." i sense you just fall shy of the idea of peace because it seems impossible, and therefor you less than hesitate to deem the this life to a "thats how it is..." brand of thinking....this thinking in itself is throwing your hands up, surrendering and letting the greater forces of "common bad" (power) deal you your official hand. beyond your personal sacrifices...

i can understand ben franklin-he was a great thinker, but FDR...? dont play yourself. FDR had the great Huey P. Long assasinated cause he was afraid. you know, "meat=mondays" and "wheat wednesdays", huey p. instated this policy...
"a chicken in every pot!"

and the ideas you proposed, of "peace=bull shit and wasting time, and absolute being moronic"... i can only see these things holding weight in absolutism. in-fact waht you are saying is an "absolute" way of looking at life, there is "this" way, and there is "that" way. you must kill or be killed. its formulated and suicidal. all i can hope for you variable is that you may live your life to the fullest possible and stay away from "isms" because they are not the solution, they are the confinement and containment of the problem. if you or i could want, honestly want and desire true freedom and love and peace day in and day out without succumbing to "real-worldly inhibitions" we may affect greater goods in people, and maybe, just maybe, with all of our unfailing hope and relentless passion we can defeat our only true enemy, -FEAR of one another. we all derive from that singularity as far back as we can count and that we are all related to one another biologically, and all related to the earth chemically, and all related to the universe anatomically... this is enough to make me smile and hold to my convictions of -"life as the only utility"...

"all we are saying, is give peace a chance".... if we dont we may just miss our chance...

I really dont need to know a thing about you to say that dealing in absolutes  is moronic.  I dont need to know a thing about anyone who says they would rather lay down and die and let their children and wife be raped than pick up a weapon and defend themselves.  These idealistic idiotic statements speak for themselves.

Im not cold man.  I think that a peaceful world where we could all live in peace and prosperity would be beautiful.  I dont think its realistic.  I think life will always fight itself.  But I can see in theory how it is possible.  However just like womens sufferage and the end of slavery ( not just in america ) the formationm of democracy and many other great  progressive movements of history.  These  things take many, many years of small progress before the possibility even presents itself.  So to look back at the generation of WW2 and say they were stupid ignorant war mongers that dont deserve respect, is just ignorant.  Plain and simple

Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 03:13 AM
who says they would rather lay down and die and let their children and wife be raped than pick up a weapon and defend themselves. 

NEVER said this. NOT ONCE.
sorry didnt think of the whole wife getting raped, and my children/ family, whomever being personally attacked. i meant abruptly to kill. to kill because i am told to kill. mostly never putting myself in the "position to have to make a choice like this" -----> [WAR]
and my family has been attacked before and myself. my brother was murdered 4 years ago, so dont think i havent run this shit through my fucking head a thousand times over man! you DONT know who the fuck i am!

you need to come up with new arguments... you keep spelling out the same thing over and over and over again...

Quote from: Variable on Jun 10, 2008, 09:31 PM

You cant hold it against this generation that society had not progressed beyond racism and hate towards certain life styles.  It takes a LONG time for Societies to be enlightened.  You can try to hold you head high and be smug about how progressive you are now.  But without them starting the movement one person at a time, little by little.  You would have never gotten there.  Its really, really sad to see people forget the great accomplishments of the past.  You think the country you were born into was this great over night?  Our founding fathers (men I consider to be some of the best in all of history) Owned slaves and called for war.  Should I write them off as racist war mongers?  Or should I try to understand the time and culture and see them for who they really are.  You really have no right at all to judge that generation.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 12:42 AM
But thats just because you are afforded that luxury because of the great life you live due to the country that those "war mongers" created for you.  Try paying attention to history so that you can remember where you actually came from, and how bad it could be.   

Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 03:13 AM
I really dont need to know a thing about you to say that dealing in absolutes  is moronic.
the formationm of democracy and many other great  progressive movements of history.  These  things take many, many years of small progress before the possibility even presents itself.  So to look back at the generation of WW2 and say they were stupid ignorant war mongers that dont deserve respect, is just ignorant.  Plain and simple

i mean are you serious? you keep bringing up the absolute ideal thing when thinking in general (most notably how you do of good and evil, kill or be killed) is absolute. as long as there resides a "bounds" or a "goal" or even "hope". anything in aspiration to "means of achieving an ends" is an absolute way of thinking... shit, "winning a war"... i mean you can go on and play footsie around your war mantra of patriotism and idealism, but your missing the point because you have no defense to offer, rather you take "assumed" personal attacks, contorting my words to fit your passage. let me know when you come up with some real valuable art. some creative thinking. because TRUST ME ive thought all these ideologies, mine, yours, and others times over and the greatest offering is love. and this is what i believe because affection seems all but absolute. keep trying to break apart my words to "find meaning for the objection" and all you will end up with is this narrow vision of yours, and fear that bad things will always mark your world. i hope you come back from that god awful servant system you are ployed in across the world, and i hope you will find love and maybe someday we will reconcile the differeneces of "words".. progress the argument, laundry is quotes behind.

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Quote from: deafnotes on Jun 10, 2008, 06:47 AM
is it true white people raise their kids spoiled? lol in american you cant hit your kids. in the other country you can hit your kids

Well,I think you can't help but spoil your children,but they also need to learn how to appreciate what you do for them. I will admit my children are spoiled,but they are grateful for everything they have. When they have great behavior,I don't mind spoiling them. I am very proud of them.

i think spoiled is a bad term. if you buy your kids a toy, some people think you are spoiling them. being spoiled to me means not being grateful for the things you have and receive and not giving back in kind. in other words being selfish. for instance, since my daughter is the only grandchild, her grandparents buy her stuff all the time, even though she doesnt ask for it. but the funny thing is, she could care less about the material gifts and just likes to spend time with her grandparents

in america & canada it seems like the parents are scared of their kids.

hulk hogan's son is an example of a rich spoiled kid?

Quote from: wither-I on Jun 12, 2008, 04:03 AM

Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 03:13 AM
who says they would rather lay down and die and let their children and wife be raped than pick up a weapon and defend themselves. 

NEVER said this. NOT ONCE.

ooooooooooooooook buddy lets take a look back here.....ah yeah, there it is

Quote from: wither-I on Jun 11, 2008, 05:54 AM
i stand for true peace with no exception... i could never kill a man, ever, for no reason, id rather be done.

NO EXCEPTION.  You could NEVER kill a man EVER for ANY ( well you should have said any instead of no) reason.  You would rather die than resort to violence because you stand for TRUE PEACE with NO exception. 

That statement right there means that I can come up with any scenario I want, and you would still not turn to violence.  Thats why I called you a moron who deals in absolutes.  And now you are a contradicting moron who deals in absolutes.  Congratulations

Quote from: deafnotes on Jun 12, 2008, 05:09 AM

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Quote from: devilinside on Jun 10, 2008, 02:34 PM

Quote from: deafnotes on Jun 10, 2008, 06:47 AM
is it true white people raise their kids spoiled? lol in american you cant hit your kids. in the other country you can hit your kids

Well,I think you can't help but spoil your children,but they also need to learn how to appreciate what you do for them. I will admit my children are spoiled,but they are grateful for everything they have. When they have great behavior,I don't mind spoiling them. I am very proud of them.

i think spoiled is a bad term. if you buy your kids a toy, some people think you are spoiling them. being spoiled to me means not being grateful for the things you have and receive and not giving back in kind. in other words being selfish. for instance, since my daughter is the only grandchild, her grandparents buy her stuff all the time, even though she doesn't ask for it. but the funny thing is, she could care less about the material gifts and just likes to spend time with her grandparents

in america & canada it seems like the parents are scared of their kids.

hulk hogan's son is an example of a rich spoiled kid?

You're right.  It does seem like a lot of parents are scared of their kids.  It seems as if adults are more worried about if their children will love them or like them as friends than they are truly raising them properly.  Of course there are great parents out there doing all the right things.  And I do believe that you have to cater to your childs personality just a bit.  But I just think people are spending too much time watching oprah and Dr phil learning the proper ways to hug their children than they do actually raising them.

Its scary though.  Its easy to say this shit when you're not a parent ( I have no kids, yet ) So im hoping to be able to find the right balance.  Obviously I am going to love my children and want to spoil the shit out of them.  But I just think its important to remember that you are trying to raise a well rounded , happy, and successful (by their own standards) adult.  And like josh said, its not spoiled if they appreciate what they have and dont take it for granted.  Thats probably the biggest thing. 

Kids grow up too fast, so it's best to start beating them when they're still in diapers.  Just kidding.

But I think when I have children, I will discipline them with fairness and respect.  I want my kids to grow up to be happy with themselves and to treat others with respect.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 12, 2008, 03:16 PM
That statement right there means that I can come up with any scenario I want

you can ake any statement anyone makes and construe it to your liking if you really want to be a child about this. i feel sorry for you man... you overlook many important things... dont waste your time

you are a waste of time because you have no idea what you are talking about.  You're just spouting off ideas and fantasies that you will more than likely grow out of in 10 years once you have more life experience and figure out how the world really works.  You say one thing.  Then hold it against me when I throw your own words back in your face.  If you didn't mean it, then you shouldn't have said it.  Good luck growing up.

If you are not a liberal at twenty, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative at forty, you have no brain.
- Winston Churchill

Quote from: wither-I on Jun 12, 2008, 04:03 AM
i meant abruptly to kill. to kill because i am told to kill. mostly never putting myself in the "position to have to make a choice like this" -----> [WAR]

im sorry my explanations are not good enough for you. you must still press a point which has already been consumed and devoured.

the simple fact that the only points you can make against me "are the many facets of what my words could be construe as", is typical of your narrow mindedness. be creative. i say so many things and you only stick to the "follies of word generality". i know you prob wont but if you re-read my posts its all in there, you just presume upon face value too much its silly.

oh and i dont consider myself a liberal at all. i have no affiliation. if i was anything id be more conservative though because i believe in life and the security of it.

you fail to recognize my point once again as you have insessantly  done throughout your posts. you miss the point that this "REAL-WORLD" you speak of, and living amongst it as one's only utility is a shame. you are far too deep in a "societal" aspect of living. i agree that we humans are a herd species and tend to coagulate to form and system and order but the spree for something better cannot be honestly underminded, though you NAIL it. all i keep bringing to light is peace and love peace and love and all you do is argue argue  argue argue argue argue argue argue argue argue argue argue argue argue argue and argue...... you surpass all kindly offerings therefor you shall recieve angst and fear and volatile agression, all which you resemble so well in your passages. its pointless to argue any further because you present nothing new, much of the same mantras and creeds you have been stitched to, -harmonizing past victories of tripole and the spread of your designed affection of democracy and privelege through power. 

"I see that people do not want their freedom, their true natural rights to habitat, self and earth, they do not want it because it allows others to have it, and in that -others will have it- they will defy their power. people want to be known amongst the 'powers of difference' (pompous individualism). therefor character cannot be had, and fame and rightcheousness are ellusive"

these are your opinons variable, and your character. respond with defense, as you always do and you will only reach confines. and stupid "real-world" quotes by winston churchill (i admit its a good quote if you enjoy being part of a greater system and like others to be in control of your 'wordly inhibitions', -who you may admire, but you should maybe seek some other teachings "besides war." enlighten yourself my friend. all you seem to know is power relations and how they further relate to well....power relations. all you will end up with in your world is despair. try some philosophy.

AND FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR-SELF PRACTICE ANYTHING BUT WAR!

wow, you really are an elitist.  You think you have it all figured out and those of us who dont agree are just idiots.  Including some of the greatest men in history.  Interesting.

I understand everything in your post just fine.  I simply decided to show you that the righteous zeal for peace that you so proudly proclaimed could be proved false in a matter of one or two post.  And you ignored plenty of legitimate points that I brought up too.  So take your nose out of the air and try to keep up with whats really going on.

The entire point of how this complete waste of time ( as you go off on stupid rants about nothing almost worse than ross) was that you were bashing the generation that kelly brought up.  Kelly said she respected that generation for how they raised their children ( and I agreed ) But then you went off about how horrible this generation was because of the wars they participated in.  And then I tried to make the point ( which you totally missed ) That those people had no choice in the matter.  Hitler was not going to stop if someone asked nicely enough ( Europe already tried that ) And this generation even managed to stay out of the war until attacked by Japan.  Tensions were already high because everyone knew they couldn't just turn their back on the horrors that were taking place over both seas.  And most assumed that if Hitler won his campaign in Europe, it would just be a matter of time before he attacked the US.  So my point was, they had no choice.  They had to do it.  But then you went off about how you would never, ever, under any circumstances resort to violence, and that you "would rather be done"  So I gave you a scenario where you would.  So if you had half a brain to keep up in the conversation, you would have seen that I led you on a leash to admit that you are the same as that generation.  Just a little more stupid because I had to sit here and re explain it piece by piece.

kids are the stupidest motherfuckers I've ever seen.

any age in particular?  Because some kids never grow up

Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 13, 2008, 04:47 PM
kids are the stupidest motherfuckers I've ever seen.

So you're calling yourself a stupid motherfucker? Cause...we were all kids once...and to our parents were still kids.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 13, 2008, 04:16 PM
wow, you really are an elitist.  You think you have it all figured out and those of us who dont agree are just idiots.  Including some of the greatest men in history.  Interesting.

I understand everything in your post just fine.  I simply decided to show you that the righteous zeal for peace that you so proudly proclaimed could be proved false in a matter of one or two post.  And you ignored plenty of legitimate points that I brought up too.  So take your nose out of the air and try to keep up with whats really going on.

The entire point of how this complete waste of time ( as you go off on stupid rants about nothing almost worse than ross) was that you were bashing the generation that kelly brought up.  Kelly said she respected that generation for how they raised their children ( and I agreed ) But then you went off about how horrible this generation was because of the wars they participated in.  And then I tried to make the point ( which you totally missed ) That those people had no choice in the matter.  Hitler was not going to stop if someone asked nicely enough ( Europe already tried that ) And this generation even managed to stay out of the war until attacked by Japan.  Tensions were already high because everyone knew they couldn't just turn their back on the horrors that were taking place over both seas.  And most assumed that if Hitler won his campaign in Europe, it would just be a matter of time before he attacked the US.  So my point was, they had no choice.  They had to do it.  But then you went off about how you would never, ever, under any circumstances resort to violence, and that you "would rather be done"  So I gave you a scenario where you would.  So if you had half a brain to keep up in the conversation, you would have seen that I led you on a leash to admit that you are the same as that generation.  Just a little more stupid because I had to sit here and re explain it piece by piece.

fail.

oh yeah, there's a "creative" and intelligent rebuttal ::) just stop posting man.  You make yourself look more like an idiot every time.

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 13, 2008, 06:15 PM

Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 13, 2008, 04:47 PM
kids are the stupidest motherfuckers I've ever seen.

So you're calling yourself a stupid motherfucker? Cause...we were all kids once...and to our parents were still kids.

that's the truth.  Im visiting my mom right now and she is driving me crazy the way she is trying to pamper me like a little kid. 

Quote from: Variable on Jun 13, 2008, 06:43 PM
oh yeah, there's a "creative" and intelligent rebuttal ::) just stop posting man.  You make yourself look more like an idiot every time.

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 13, 2008, 06:15 PM

Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 13, 2008, 04:47 PM
kids are the stupidest motherfuckers I've ever seen.

So you're calling yourself a stupid motherfucker? Cause...we were all kids once...and to our parents were still kids.

that's the truth.  Im visiting my mom right now and she is driving me crazy the way she is trying to pamper me like a little kid. 

Eat it up! Cause you never know if it will be the last time. And she's a mom...that's what we do to our kids,no matter how old you are!

QuoteKelly said she respected that generation for how they raised their children ( and I agreed ) But then you went off about how horrible this generation was because of the wars they participated in.  And then I tried to make the point ( which you totally missed ) That those people had no choice in the matter.  Hitler was not going to stop if someone asked nicely enough ( Europe already tried that ) And this generation even managed to stay out of the war until attacked by Japan.  Tensions were already high because everyone knew they couldn't just turn their back on the horrors that were taking place over both seas.  And most assumed that if Hitler won his campaign in Europe, it would just be a matter of time before he attacked the US.  So my point was, they had no choice.  They had to do it.

i want to turn this discussion back on topic so i only ask some questions to this part and ignore your personal fight.


my question is: how did the one and the same generation in the usa differ from the one in germany?
lets just be blind about other factors as the germans wanting revenge for WW 1 and the reparations and so forth.

would it have been possible that Hitler could have done the same thing in the usa at this time?
if no: why
if yes: how then was this a kind of good education?

QuoteTensions were already high because everyone knew they couldn't just turn their back on the horrors that were taking place over both seas.  And most assumed that if Hitler won his campaign in Europe, it would just be a matter of time before he attacked the US.  So my point was, they had no choice.  They had to do it

this sounds to much as the americans really had to fight because of some adventage and not because they wantet to fight nazi germany out of moral reasons.

what you mean of those two?

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 13, 2008, 06:46 PM

Quote from: Variable on Jun 13, 2008, 06:43 PM
oh yeah, there's a "creative" and intelligent rebuttal ::) just stop posting man.  You make yourself look more like an idiot every time.

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 13, 2008, 06:15 PM

Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 13, 2008, 04:47 PM
kids are the stupidest motherfuckers I've ever seen.

So you're calling yourself a stupid motherfucker? Cause...we were all kids once...and to our parents were still kids.

that's the truth.  Im visiting my mom right now and she is driving me crazy the way she is trying to pamper me like a little kid. 

Eat it up! Cause you never know if it will be the last time. And she's a mom...that's what we do to our kids,no matter how old you are!

oh believe me.  I am trying.  I just need her to listen a bit when im trying to let her know that she is really getting on my nerves.  Like she ask me if I want anything and everything.  Like the other night at dinner there was a tray of apples two inches from my hand and shes like " do you want some apples?" im like, mom if I wanted an apple I would move my hand two inches and get one myself.  And its like that all day long with everything.  It just starts to wear on me.  But im trying my best to make her happy and just grin and bear it when I have to.

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 13, 2008, 08:37 PM

QuoteKelly said she respected that generation for how they raised their children ( and I agreed ) But then you went off about how horrible this generation was because of the wars they participated in.  And then I tried to make the point ( which you totally missed ) That those people had no choice in the matter.  Hitler was not going to stop if someone asked nicely enough ( Europe already tried that ) And this generation even managed to stay out of the war until attacked by Japan.  Tensions were already high because everyone knew they couldn't just turn their back on the horrors that were taking place over both seas.  And most assumed that if Hitler won his campaign in Europe, it would just be a matter of time before he attacked the US.  So my point was, they had no choice.  They had to do it.

i want to turn this discussion back on topic so i only ask some questions to this part and ignore your personal fight.


my question is: how did the one and the same generation in the usa differ from the one in Germany?
lets just be blind about other factors as the Germans wanting revenge for WW 1 and the reparations and so forth.

would it have been possible that Hitler could have done the same thing in the usa at this time?
if no: why
if yes: how then was this a kind of good education?

QuoteTensions were already high because everyone knew they couldn't just turn their back on the horrors that were taking place over both seas.  And most assumed that if Hitler won his campaign in Europe, it would just be a matter of time before he attacked the US.  So my point was, they had no choice.  They had to do it

this sounds to much as the americans really had to fight because of some adventage and not because they wantet to fight nazi germany out of moral reasons.

what you mean of those two?

great questions.

The world generations of that time may have shared the same birth dates.  But they grew up in very different societies ( think of comparing me to a guy who was born in Iran at the same time, we would be the same age, but very different) So as the US and Germany had very different societies back then, that is how the people differed.

However to answer your next question.  Yes, of course Hitler ( or a man like Hitler ) could have done the same in the United States.  Hitler was brought to power and so influential by the fact that he was extremely charismatic.  He made people love him and forget what his actual policies and direction for germany was.  We can learn from this by how we vote in our officials today.  The US (as I cant speak for other countries ) is notorious ( even in todays presidential race ) for voting in men who have no business being president.  We just vote them in because we like them.  The candidates focus more on throwing our key slogans and making themselves lovable and desirable than they do actually speaking about issues or illustrating an actual direction they have for the country.  Just the other day I listened to comments made by Mccain and Obama about the US economy.  Each said it was an issue they were very concerned about.  Neither of them gave any indication that they had a plan or the ability to fix it.  But that's OK because most people dont care.  They just want to hear that their candidate agrees with them.  The candidates know that the people will blindly follow them as long as they stay lovable , relatable, and sincere.  Its pathetic.  What we can learn from Adolf Hitler is that it is very dangerous to blindly follow someones Rhetoric and Propaganda ( yeah kids Politicians are still spewing it out in 2008 ) instead of actually taking the face and eloquence away from the candidates and actually looking at who is most qualified for the job.  If we did that we would probably be looking at two different candidates.

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.
Adolf Hitler

All great movements are popular movements. They are the volcanic eruptions of human passions and emotions, stirred into activity by the ruthless Goddess of Distress or by the torch of the spoken word cast into the midst of the people.
Adolf Hitler

All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.
Adolf Hitler

and to your last question.  I think that a lot of people wanted to fight the Nazis out of moral reasons ( but remember we did not know 1 100th to the extent of the holocaust until the war was over ) and others remembered WW1 and wanted nothing to do with another war.  I think some people felt threatened by the rise of socialism and totalitarianism in the world and though the US might be next if no action was taken.  And other just thought if they kept it out of sight out of mind it would be ok.  This is why we were late entering the war.  The country was not unified around one belief.  Then Pearl Harbor happened and that was the end of that.  The country was unified and we went and took care of business.  Nobodys speculations and assumptions mattered any more.  We got attacked, and we sure as shit were not going to let that happen again.  So the military did its job and made sure that it didn't, and it didn't.  That the strength of that generation that I was speaking to.  I do not believe Americans today could do the same thing.

shit I should have just wrote a book.  It would have taken less time

Quote

However to answer your next question.  Yes, of course Hitler ( or a man like Hitler ) could have done the same in the United States.  Hitler was brought to power and so influential by the fact that he was extremely charismatic.  He made people love him and forget what his actual policies and direction for germany was.  We can learn from this by how we vote in our officials today.  The US (as I cant speak for other countries ) is notorious ( even in todays presidential race ) for voting in men who have no business being president.  We just vote them in because we like them.  The candidates focus more on throwing our key slogans and making themselves lovable and desirable than they do actually speaking about issues or illustrating an actual direction they have for the country.  Just the other day I listened to comments made by Mccain and Obama about the US economy.  Each said it was an issue they were very concerned about.  Neither of them gave any indication that they had a plan or the ability to fix it.  But that's OK because most people dont care.  They just want to hear that their candidate agrees with them.  The candidates know that the people will blindly follow them as long as they stay lovable , relatable, and sincere.  Its pathetic.  What we can learn from Adolf Hitler is that it is very dangerous to blindly follow someones Rhetoric and Propaganda ( yeah kids Politicians are still spewing it out in 2008 ) instead of actually taking the face and eloquence away from the candidates and actually looking at who is most qualified for the job.  If we did that we would probably be looking at two different candidates.

because of that pretty negative picture of people in your society, which i share and of which i think it also fits for germany in these days is why i am for a way more critical and free education than most people in this thread allow. with critical i mean that every single clap is something that makes the child stay quite and to force back their feelings.
a discipline that says "you have to listen to your parents, teachers etc" is uncritical in the same way, just without physical violence.


in some small town here in germany, the NPD got 25% of votes. NPD is the follow-up party of the NSDAP.

i just fear that a lot of people could allow another dictatorship if things in the world (economy) go worse.

this is y quotet Adorno. i think his thoughts 25 years after auschwitz are again pretty actual. i mean i dont actually fear a dictatorship within the next years but every fascist is one fascist to much.

Well people forget.  People start to live very comfortable and removed lives.  Gives people too much time to think about the way the world should be instead of the way the world is.  It is our responsibility to our children to raise them in a safe and enjoyable environment.  But at the same time educate them in such a manner that they can appreciate how it is they got where they are. 

I think negative reinforcement can be a great tool if used properly.  I believe in strict disciplined environments too.  But what I think you are describing may be a bit too strict for my taste.  I want kids to be guided in a way where they can understand logic and reason and make thier own beliefs on the world so that they truly are their own beliefs.  I wouldn't want them to feel forced or brainwashed into believing what you and I believe are right, just to have them rebel against it for the sake of rebellion.  Hopefully if you taught them proper history ( so that they could see how bad some people had it (( im guessing wither - i slept through most of his history classes )) and see where they are now ) taught them basic morals, and taught them reason and logic.  They probably would grow up to believe in democracy and freedom.  And they also probably wouldn't be able to be sweet talked into totalitarianism very easily either.

Variable is the perfect example of a brainwashed human being. I can't say that without offense. the truth is an offense. Where did you find logic? out of extreme illogic it appears.

I think for myself, thanks.  But if you care to give some rhyme or reason for that statement then I would be more than happy to make you look like an idiot as well.

LOL

Quote from: Variable on Jun 14, 2008, 04:14 AM
Well people forget.  People start to live very comfortable and removed lives.  Gives people too much time to think about the way the world should be instead of the way the world is.  It is our responsibility to our children to raise them in a safe and enjoyable environment.  But at the same time educate them in such a manner that they can appreciate how it is they got where they are. 

I think negative reinforcement can be a great tool if used properly.  I believe in strict disciplined environments too.  But what I think you are describing may be a bit too strict for my taste.  I want kids to be guided in a way where they can understand logic and reason and make thier own beliefs on the world so that they truly are their own beliefs.  I wouldn't want them to feel forced or brainwashed into believing what you and I believe are right, just to have them rebel against it for the sake of rebellion.  Hopefully if you taught them proper history ( so that they could see how bad some people had it (( im guessing wither - i slept through most of his history classes )) and see where they are now ) taught them basic morals, and taught them reason and logic.  They probably would grow up to believe in democracy and freedom.  And they also probably wouldn't be able to be sweet talked into totalitarianism very easily either.

i agree. just let us elaborate, what we mean with "teach".

i mean its not a frontal, one sided thing in the way that i tell my kid what it has to do. with my children hopefully it will be more a conversation. i try to leed them to reach morality, virtues and the other important stuff. perhaps my own morality is seen totally wrong in the generaton of my children. so i dont want them to think the same way i do.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 14, 2008, 03:32 PM
I think for myself, thanks.  But if you care to give some rhyme or reason for that statement then I would be more than happy to make you look like an idiot as well.

You could try to make some egotistical comeback like you do to everyone else on the board because you lost your libido and so the only thing that follows you is your hatred, always trying to prove people wrong over nothing, when your only real enemy is yourself, that which you don't realize yet, always looking for the easy popular comeback, never any originality or style, provoking and selling hatred, wearing it on your sleave, condoning everything wrong with the world. Go ahead.

Thats not a rhyme or reason for anything that you said.  Try again.  This time, try using your brain.

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 14, 2008, 10:00 PM

Quote from: Variable on Jun 14, 2008, 04:14 AM
Well people forget.  People start to live very comfortable and removed lives.  Gives people too much time to think about the way the world should be instead of the way the world is.  It is our responsibility to our children to raise them in a safe and enjoyable environment.  But at the same time educate them in such a manner that they can appreciate how it is they got where they are. 

I think negative reinforcement can be a great tool if used properly.  I believe in strict disciplined environments too.  But what I think you are describing may be a bit too strict for my taste.  I want kids to be guided in a way where they can understand logic and reason and make thier own beliefs on the world so that they truly are their own beliefs.  I wouldn't want them to feel forced or brainwashed into believing what you and I believe are right, just to have them rebel against it for the sake of rebellion.  Hopefully if you taught them proper history ( so that they could see how bad some people had it (( im guessing wither - i slept through most of his history classes )) and see where they are now ) taught them basic morals, and taught them reason and logic.  They probably would grow up to believe in democracy and freedom.  And they also probably wouldn't be able to be sweet talked into totalitarianism very easily either.

i agree. just let us elaborate, what we mean with "teach".

i mean its not a frontal, one sided thing in the way that i tell my kid what it has to do. with my children hopefully it will be more a conversation. i try to leed them to reach morality, virtues and the other important stuff. perhaps my own morality is seen totally wrong in the generation of my children. so i dont want them to think the same way i do.

well you and I probably have no idea what we are in for seeing as how neither of us actually have children.  But yeah our kids probably will see many faults in our generation.  But thats ok, their are certain things that need to be let go of.  Its all in the natural progression of society.  I just think you and I see eye to eye on that if we do not teach our kids proper morals and virtues that they may become weak,and their view of the world may be distorted.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 15, 2008, 02:36 AM
Thats not a rhyme or reason for anything that you said.  Try again.  This time, try using your brain.

trey, I don't play, it's no wonder you trust in the police thugs, goverment drugs, and the corruption raging this eruption / your brain is washed, you can't even see, i'll pray for your blashphemy. Luv is what god has shown, and to those who see, his majesty is known!

Ross, you sucked the last two times that you left the board because of me.  And you will suck when you do so again in a couple weeks.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 15, 2008, 12:28 PM
Ross, you sucked the last two times that you left the board because of me.  And you will suck when you do so again in a couple weeks.

Your delussions, allussions, and illussions are still the same. you to me are a Trifle.

yeah im sure life confuses you all the time.  but since you are too confused to actually contribute to the topic on hand, lets just be done here.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 16, 2008, 01:08 PM
yeah im sure life confuses you all the time.  but since you are too confused to actually contribute to the topic on hand, lets just be done here.

It's funny how everything you make up and create and hate about me is precisely what you hate about yourself. Try harder when you hate, get some flames going, heat it up, scoll me. Try.

Scoll is NOT a word.   Try again.

whos that rookie?

I think you're a rookie if you don't know who it is!

(unless ur bein sarcastic)

the nice thing about ross is that he unifies the board in a common disgust for stupidity.

Quote from: White Pwny on Jun 17, 2008, 07:00 PM
Scoll is NOT a word.   Try again.

What?  I scoll myself in the bathtub with soap and spittle.

unless you are bilingual, no you don't.

I could be...

you could.

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 17, 2008, 09:26 PM
I think you're a rookie if you don't know who it is!

(unless ur bein sarcastic)

sorry. cant remember

well I cant really blame you.  He has had like 10 names since I have been here

Quote from: Variable on Jun 18, 2008, 06:25 AM
well I cant really blame you.  He has had like 10 names since I have been here

tell me. perhaps i remember and like to greet him.from what i see here, this rookie seems to be a fool

no offense, newfag

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 07, 2008, 01:30 AM
If I woulda done that to my mom when I was a kid,she woulda beat the shit outta me. Seems to me like that kids an overly dramatic spoiled fucking brat. He has no right talking to her the way he did,he's acting as her equal when he in fact is not. And this is only one side of the life they live,this kid could be like this every fucking day and it probably drains the shit out of that woman. Help is definitely needed.

well put, that kid seems like he gets his way and the times he doesnt he flips out. he just looks like a spoiled little bitch in need of a serious beat down. i dont care what the situation is, you never hit a woman, not even your own mother your own flesh and blood. sorry but thats uncalled for.

Quote from: Nailec on Jun 18, 2008, 06:42 AM

Quote from: Variable on Jun 18, 2008, 06:25 AM
well I cant really blame you.  He has had like 10 names since I have been here

tell me. perhaps i remember and like to greet him.from what i see here, this rookie seems to be a fool

no offense, newfag

well I cant remember them all and im not going to take the time to look them up.  But I know before I came to the board he was ATF then some numbers.  And since I have been here I can remember Black Elvis and Jesus Costello.  There have been a couple more too.

Quote from: derekautomatica on Jun 18, 2008, 06:46 AM

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 07, 2008, 01:30 AM
If I woulda done that to my mom when I was a kid,she woulda beat the shit outta me. Seems to me like that kids an overly dramatic spoiled fucking brat. He has no right talking to her the way he did,he's acting as her equal when he in fact is not. And this is only one side of the life they live,this kid could be like this every fucking day and it probably drains the shit out of that woman. Help is definitely needed.

well put, that kid seems like he gets his way and the times he doesnt he flips out. he just looks like a spoiled little bitch in need of a serious beat down. i dont care what the situation is, you never hit a woman, not even your own mother your own flesh and blood. sorry but thats uncalled for.

im not in the habit of hitting women. But I think there are some circumstances where it is ok to hit a chick.

I'm very disappointed in you Trey. Maybe if she was coming at you with a knife trying to kill you... a psychotic woman maybe,but not a woman you love just cause she pissed you off.

I didn't say I was going to hit a woman that I love.  I wouldn't even hit my guy friends that I love.  And I wouldn't even think about hitting a girl just because she pissed me off in most cases.  But he said he never thinks its ok to hit a woman.  And I just started thinking about it, and yeah their are some circumstances I could see myself hitting a girl.  Its against the way I was raised.  But like you said, if she was trying to kill me.  Or even in todays world where men and women are supposed to be treated equal.  If a girl wants to act like a classy lady, she can get away with a lot more.  But if she wants to step up and act like a man because she thinks she has a safety net of estrogen around her....maybe she deserves to get brought back to earth.  You cant have the best of both worlds.  I think that generally I am a gentlemen to every girl I meet.  But there are still lines. 

Quote from: Variable on Jun 18, 2008, 01:06 PM
But if she wants to step up and act like a man because she thinks she has a safety net of estrogen around her....maybe she deserves to get brought back to earth.

HAHA...wow. I'm pretty sure if a woman steps up to a man,she's pretty fucking fearless,and could care less about the "estrogen" factor.

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 18, 2008, 02:43 PM

Quote from: Variable on Jun 18, 2008, 01:06 PM
But if she wants to step up and act like a man because she thinks she has a safety net of estrogen around her....maybe she deserves to get brought back to earth.

HAHA...wow. I'm pretty sure if a woman steps up to a man,she's pretty fucking fearless,and could care less about the "estrogen" factor.

i imagine she'd be like wolverine and bust out the claws

That's bad ass!

Quote from: devilinside on Jun 18, 2008, 02:43 PM

Quote from: Variable on Jun 18, 2008, 01:06 PM
But if she wants to step up and act like a man because she thinks she has a safety net of estrogen around her....maybe she deserves to get brought back to earth.

HAHA...wow. I'm pretty sure if a woman steps up to a man,she's pretty fucking fearless,and could care less about the "estrogen" factor.

nooooooooooooooo no no.  You have never seen this?  A girl will have an attitude that she is invincible because she doesn't think that a guy will hit her.  So she tries pulling all kinds of shit.  It has nothing to do with her being a bad ass or fearless.  Just pure stuck up bitch.  And she thinks she can get away with it.  Its bull shit.

Man, who gives a shit. A lot more to worry about than a pre-pubsent teen ager who is obiviously gonna be a fat drunk homosexual when he gets older...

Way to go mom, making that shit public to make yourself feel better...

Quote from: 13hourstoparadise on Jun 20, 2008, 11:01 PM
Man, who gives a shit. A lot more to worry about than a pre-pubsent teen ager who is obiviously gonna be a fat drunk homosexual when he gets older...

Quote from: lithium on Jun 09, 2008, 07:31 PM
in a few years that kid will have a dick in his mouth and bad drug habits

one thing is for sure.  This kid will be a total loser when he grows up.  Unless something drastic changes.  But judging on how weak his mom is, I doubt it.

Quote from: Variable on Jun 21, 2008, 02:35 AM
one thing is for sure.  This kid will be a total loser when he grows up.  Unless something drastic changes.  But judging on how weak his mom is, I doubt it.

Well said. Completely agree.

Quote from: 13hourstoparadise on Jun 20, 2008, 11:01 PM
Man, who gives a shit. A lot more to worry about than a pre-pubsent teen ager who is obiviously gonna be a fat drunk homosexual when he gets older...

you should give a shit, these little mutated bastards are gonna be running the world one day.

Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 24, 2008, 05:48 PM

Quote from: 13hourstoparadise on Jun 20, 2008, 11:01 PM
Man, who gives a shit. A lot more to worry about than a pre-pubsent teen ager who is obiviously gonna be a fat drunk homosexual when he gets older...

you should give a shit, these little mutated bastards are gonna be running the world one day.

Good! Then that little faggot can kill us all. I could care less about society, everyone is fucked, human beings are shit... Not all, but pretty much 90%.

i can definitely agree with the later part...

Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jun 24, 2008, 05:48 PM

Quote from: 13hourstoparadise on Jun 20, 2008, 11:01 PM
Man, who gives a shit. A lot more to worry about than a pre-pubsent teen ager who is obiviously gonna be a fat drunk homosexual when he gets older...

you should give a shit, these little mutated bastards are gonna be running the world one day.

I thought that the evil elite of "the government" was going to be ruling the world?

The axis of evil...

Evildoers... Booo....

;D

Fucking monkey president cracks me up.

these conspiracy theories blow my mind.  I dont understand how anyone can be so stupid.