Im pretty shocked to hear this news. Congratulations women?
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.republican.vp.candidate/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.republican.vp.candidate/index.html)
I mean. I dont know. Kelly I need you to weigh in on this.
hah..I see what he did there! He saw how Hillary had an affect on many women,and got many votes from them as well...so he chose a woman to get more votes. He knows Obama fucked up not picking her. Haha...pretty smart right there! I don't think he would have chose a woman if Hillary had never run. Aaah...Hillary is awesome.
I pretty much said fuck it when she didn't get the nomination,but now imma have to look into McCain and see what he's about....besides being a *gasp* republican.
I just DONT like Obama. I can't help it.
Yeah but I dont know. I dont know if this is the kind of actions I can respect in my candidate. I mean god bless her if she really deserves the job. But I agree with what you said. McCain picked up so many votes from Hillary supporters who got pissed at Obama. But he is slowly losing them. So I think he picked her just assuming that he would draw in female votes just because some females want to see a woman in power so bad. Having nothing to do with if she is actually the best person for the job or not. The offices of the white house are not supposed to be about this horse shit. Its supposed to be about the very best people to lead our country. Not about who can be the most historic or pull the most heart strings. I fucking give up on all of this. Both parties are a bunch of fucking tool bags.
I mean, does that insult you at all? Fuck, im insulted. I feel like he walked right up to the feminist women in america and said " you will vote for me because I know you are a huge advocate of the women's rights movement and I picked a woman to be my VP"
Enough with these fucking games already!
Yeah, I'm not happy with either candidate. And supposedly this woman has really NO experience! She's been a governor/mayor for what,2 years?!?! Give me a fucking break.
I mean...I can't NOT vote,but I feel like imma have to draw a name out of a hat to make a decision. So in all,I'm really disappointed.
Yeah , shes a first term Governor. Im trying to read up on her seeing as how I dont know a dam thing about her. But it doesn't seem like a very experienced political history. McCain is going to have A LOT of a harder time talking shit about Obamas experience now. I dont know, supposedly she has done some pretty revolutionary shit in Alaska. But I haven't really gotten into the nitty gritty yet.
quick side note. Does anyone know how I can get a hold of Chelsea Clinton? Im pretty sure she is going to be very excited when she finds out I want to take her out.
You wanna date a Democrat?!?! *shock*
But seriously,I don't feel comfortable knowing that an inexperienced woman would take over office if,heaven forbid,McCain died. I just need to read up on these people to get a better idea of who I like most. It's sad I'll probably end up voting based on the VP candidate rather than the Presidental candidate.actual
OOH!! And she was runner up for Ms. Alaska 1984!!!!
Quote from: devilinside on Aug 29, 2008, 03:49 PM
You wanna date a Democrat?!?! *shock*
But seriously,I don't feel comfortable knowing that an inexperienced woman would take over office if,heaven forbid,McCain died. I just need to read up on these people to get a better idea of who I like most. It's sad I'll probably end up voting based on the VP candidate rather than the Presidental candidate.actual
I dont give a god dam about political party. Whoever gets her, gets a whole lot of money, and a whole lot of power along with her. I can dig. Plus unless the GOP proves to me that they are going a different direction than the BS the Bush administration pulled, they have lost me.
yeah this chick is a 2 year governor. It seems she is a very popular and respected governor who is actually taking some stabs at reform. But I dont know. It still seems like bad form. If I was voting off VPs, Biden would have it. As far as democrats go, hes top notch. But one thing to remember is that VPs dont do shit. Unless of course the President dies, god forbid. The secretary of state is really the big power job after the president. that's really the more important choice.
Do you think this years candidates are worse than 4 years ago?
Quote from: Corleone on Aug 29, 2008, 04:11 PM
Do you think this years candidates are worse than 4 years ago?
Hell no. Gore Bush, and Kerry Bush was an all time low in American history. Either way, no matter who wins. We are better off.
McCain is speaking now if anyone wants to listen
I think I'll pass. But thanks!
And come one!! FLIP FLOP FTW!
well she spoke too! You missed it! It was a pretty good speech. Shes a firecracker for sure.
I dunno....she's a political "noob"
Quote from: Variable on Aug 29, 2008, 04:09 PM
But one thing to remember is that VPs dont do shit.
have you forgaotten about cheney????? hes the one really running that circus
Right now i only feel like arguing about experience. Experience has very little to do with being president(I would say decision making is the most important). All I have to say is look at Lincoln- he had less experience than Obama or Palin (he was a state senator for a few years before being elected president).
So we dont need to hear anything else about "lack of experience"...however, I do just find it funny that McCain did pick a woman just to be slick and to play those fucking stupid political games....
Yeah...and I think it's a sad decision that he picked a woman with hardly and experience. The more i've thought about it the more it kinda pisses me off. Fuck John McCain. Just what we need in office is a fucking beauty queen! I'm all for a woman being in office,but I want one I feel semi comfortable with if she HAD to take over. This bitch dont know shit other than how to fake smile and wave. So i'm also gonna go with Obama.
VPILF Mmmm
::)
Quote from: devilinside on Aug 29, 2008, 05:38 PM
I dunno....she's a political "noob"
Actually, the more I read about her. The more im ok with this. She is pretty new. But when it comes down to it. She has more experience than Obama does. And that's a fact. So either way, McCain or Palin. You are getting more than Obama.
Quote from: goldpony on Aug 29, 2008, 06:28 PM
Quote from: Variable on Aug 29, 2008, 04:09 PM
But one thing to remember is that VPs dont do shit.
have you forgaotten about cheney????? hes the one really running that circus
Cheny will go down in history as the most powerful VP to ever hold the office. There is always an exception to the rule. After over 200 years he just happened to be it.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Aug 29, 2008, 10:06 PM
Right now i only feel like arguing about experience. Experience has very little to do with being president(I would say decision making is the most important). All I have to say is look at Lincoln- he had less experience than Obama or Palin (he was a state senator for a few years before being elected president).
So we dont need to hear anything else about "lack of experience"...however, I do just find it funny that McCain did pick a woman just to be slick and to play those fucking stupid political games....
1. Experience does matter. You are kidding yourself if you say otherwise
2. You cant say that Lincoln had less experience than Obama. Obama has only been a state senator for a couple of years. And he has been campaigning since he got elected. He hasn't done a dam thing but give inspirational speeches. That's it. That's not experience.
Quote from: Variable on Aug 30, 2008, 02:59 AM
Quote from: devilinside on Aug 29, 2008, 05:38 PM
I dunno....she's a political "noob"
Actually, the more I read about her. The more im ok with this. She is pretty new. But when it comes down to it. She has more experience than Obama does. And that's a fact. So either way, McCain or Palin. You are getting more than Obama. Quote from: goldpony on Aug 29, 2008, 06:28 PM
BUUULLLLLLL SHIT!
no bull shit
Obama hasent accomplished anything in his political career. "oh he voted against the war in Iraq" no, he spoke out against the war in Iraq. But He wasn't a senator yet, so he didn't get to vote. He hasn't passes any legislation. Hasn't done a fucking thing but hit the road and campaign. Look it up. Then look up what Palin has done. She stood the office she was elected to. She didn't go out and campaign for the next. So she actually has accomplishments you can read about. I know its weird, to have a politician who has actually done something instead of just talking about what they would do. But believe it, its true.
This guy seems to have the intelligence and charisma of a piece of slightly soggy bread.
I really don't envy you Americans this time around.
Your options seem highly limited.
you are just the product of a bias international news media. John McCain is an extraordinary man. I have a lot of respect for both candidates. I dont really have a whole lot of respect for Obamas political career. But I have respect 1. for his education ( who wouldn't envy that? ) 2. for his charisma and public speaking abilities ( who wouldn't envy that? ) 3. and by far the most important. I believe he is genuine, and genuinely want the best for America. He genuinely believes he can help. And he genuinely believes that he will help if given the opportunity.
now I could be wrong about that. He could be a narcissistic elitist ass hole who just wants his face all over history books. But I guess only time will tell.
I just happen to have different beliefs on how to accomplish the goals than Obama does. Plus I really dont think he is ready yet. Not if HE wants to be the president instead of some staff with him as the figurehead ( like everyone's favorite current US president )
But at this point. Im not 100% on who i am voting for yet. Im still up for sale.
The whole point though was that McCain really is a great man. His life story could Humble any man. I think he deserves the respect and recognition.
they both suck. so who cares?
when i hear a president begin to talk about peace. then i'll listen
yeah. unfortunately that is not an option right now. Even you must admit that much?
Shit man , now that I think about it. Off the top of my head, I cant even think of the last president who didn't deploy our military. Maybe carter? Maybe...... I could look it up but im not in the research mood.
But peace would be nice, I just dont think its realistic.
Quote from: Fireal1222 on Sep 01, 2008, 12:35 PM
they both suck. so who cares?
huh that's news to me
Presidential candidates are never the best people for the jobs. The smartest and most capable Americans will never be in office. Presidential elections are based on charisma, oratory silllz, and manipulation ability just as much as a student council election is based on popularity. It has nothing to do with who is the best for the job.
one of them will become america's homecoming queen.
nice
popularity contests ftw!
If Bob Barr somehow pulled off a win. I would literally, and I seriously mean literally, shit myself. I would probably have a stroke of shock, amazement, and joy.
Ralph Nader would produce a similar, less drastic response.
http://news.aol.com/elections/conventions/republicans/article/palin-says-daughter-17-is-pregnant/155019?icid=100214839x1208785897x1200481521
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! I'm sure Republicans will LOVE that!
Yeah I've been looking that up. Ridiculous stuff. Apparently Sarah Palin was quoted as being strong supporter of abstinence-only education about sex in high school.
I feel like McCain dug himself a hole selecting Palin. Wasn't a big thing that McCain had on Obama was lack of experience, but then he chose some one with... little experience.
If Ron Paul was still running I'd vote for him in November, but he's not.
So as far as I'm concerned I'll just wait to the debates, but things aren't looking good for McCain.
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 02, 2008, 11:40 AM
http://news.aol.com/elections/conventions/republicans/article/palin-says-daughter-17-is-pregnant/155019?icid=100214839x1208785897x1200481521
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! I'm sure Republicans will LOVE that!
I don't even understand why that matters? Its her daughter. Not her. So a 17 year old girl had sex, oh no. She probably raised her daughter with other morals. But how can you really enforce that without literally making her a prisoner in your house so that you can always watch her? FUCK SARAH PALIN FOR NOT PHYSICALLY FORCING HER BELIEFS ON HER DAUGHTERS BODY!.......? seems counter productive to the women's civil rights movement to even make a deal out of this.
Quote from: defskull on Sep 02, 2008, 03:24 PM
Yeah I've been looking that up. Ridiculous stuff. Apparently Sarah Palin was quoted as being strong supporter of abstinence-only education about sex in high school.
I feel like McCain dug himself a hole selecting Palin. Wasn't a big thing that McCain had on Obama was lack of experience, but then he chose some one with... little experience.
If Ron Paul was still running I'd vote for him in November, but he's not.
So as far as I'm concerned I'll just wait to the debates, but things aren't looking good for McCain.
I agree that Palin was a very poor choice. He could have done SO much better. But I still stand my ground that Palin has more experience than Obama. So McCain kind of opened a trapped door. Whenever democrats want to talk about how irresponsible McCain is for being 72 and picking such an inexperienced VP. He can turn the table and tell them they are even more irresponsible for picking such an inexperienced president.
Palin is kind of a reality check for America. It was all fun in games when the charismatic larger than life black man was irresponsibly running for office. But when someone who is easier to throw a punch or two at steps up, suddenly we realize how fucking ridiculous all of this has been.
i love how evangelicals are rallying behind Palins daughter by saying it is a pro-life decision, but you know they would go batshit insane if it was obamas daughter. funny. also, has anyone else heard about the rumor that Palin's baby is actually her daughters? great times
I mean its all very e-Hollywood news and all. But it really doesn't have anything to do with Governing our country.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x180/mrs_swa/sarahpalin__oPt.jpg)
Lolz.
AHAHA!!!
im not implying that you guys are stupid or anything. But you do know that's photoshopped right?
Nope...not at all. ::)
Quote from: Variable on Sep 03, 2008, 01:54 AM
im not implying that you guys are stupid or anything. But you do know that's photoshopped right?
yeah, I knew that. This was above the photo on Perez..."P.S. Yes, this pic is Photoshopped....and funny as hell!"
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 03, 2008, 01:56 AM
Nope...not at all. ::)
yeah, I knew that would be received wrong. That's why I tried saying that im not like trying to insult you. I didn't think it was photoshopped when I first saw it. I just didn't want to assume everyone else would pick it up right off the bat. Dont be so sensitive, you know I got love for you guys.
and yes jackie, it is funny.
Oh I didn't take it wrong...and I would fucking hope people knew it wasn't real...like this one...
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x214/faelanae/palin.jpg)
a little too exposed for alaska weather no?
i'll be voting for McCain
the speeches at the RNC today were pretty dam good, imo. Especially thompson
just watched the Giuliani speech, and wow, what a dick...and the majority of his points for McCain were pretty laughable
He was a bull dog. They sent him out as the assassin. Just because you aren't used to seeing people not kissing Obama's ass doesn't make them a dick. But which parts of his speech did you find laughable?
I was pretty impressed with Palins speech too. It wasn't just me either. The democrats I was working with were even very impressed ( 3 black democrats since race seems to matter so much in this election)
is race really that much of an issue? actually, it probably is to half of America.
but anyway i just thought that some of what Giuliani was either a complete fabrication and exaggeration of something Biden or Obama said. (off the top of my head, i remember multiple referrals to Obama wanting to raise everyone's taxes, when in reality they both have fairly similar plans for taxes)
actually i will agree with you on Palin. she didn't seem too bad, it was a good first impression, but then again i still don't know that much about her.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Sep 04, 2008, 04:21 AM
is race really that much of an issue? actually, it probably is to half of America.
but anyway i just thought that some of what Giuliani was either a complete fabrication and exaggeration of something Biden or Obama said. (off the top of my head, i remember multiple referrals to Obama wanting to raise everyone's taxes, when in reality they both have fairly similar plans for taxes)
actually i will agree with you on Palin. she didn't seem too bad, it was a good first impression, but then again i still don't know that much about her.
Yes, race is a big issue. Need proof? Answer me this. Would Obama have even made it to the primary if he was not black? Can you honestly tell me that a white man with his credentials would be candidate of his party? I think it is ridiculous that race matters so much to people in 2008. and I dont think that this parade has progressed America at all. Calling this a "huge step" for America is bull shit. It would be a huge step if a black man reached this point without anyone bringing up the fact that he was black. that is progression. But we are the products of Affirmative Action. It is ok to be racist as long as it works in the favor of minorities. Makes perfect sense to me.
Can you honestly tell me that you think Obama's and McCains tax plans are similar? Obama is a socialist. McCain is a Federalist-Capitalist. Obama is calling for the largest tax increase since anyone can remember. He is hiding it under the fact that he is not taxing the middle and lower class directly. But tell me sir, if you tax businesses and corporations, are you still not taxing the middle and lower class? Those businesses and corporations will still have to pay their employees. Its not like the price of production is going to go down either. Meaning that chances are they will have to raise prices on their products to maintain....so not only will big business be paying taxes out the ass, but the middle and lower class will be paying to make up for their loss. OHHH, now I understand where Obama is going to get all the money for his "universal health care" and other social programs. He is going to drastically raise taxes!
I cant stand when people criticize Republicans for looking out for the top 1% of the country and giving them breaks ( not syaing this is you) It goes to show that either they have no idea about anything to do with economics. Or they are trying to manipulate their audience. Because anyone with a basic knowledge of economics can figure out that if you ensure that the instillation who provide employment to your citizens have money and are successful, it is a good thing for your citizens and economy. If you drive them into the ground with taxes, it is not good for anybody. (oh wait, didn't Obama criticize the Republicans for giving tax breaks to cooporations? hmmmmm that means either he is a moron and need to take an economics class. Or he is lying right to your face to try to manipulate you. What a breath of fresh air, this is truly change)
This is why democrats have such a hard time getting re-elected. they talk a huge game about how everyone is going to have more food on their plate. Then when the country gets smothered in taxes to pay for other peoples food, and other people plates. they get fucking sick of it and will abandon their party to vote in the party who believes in smaller government so that they (the people) can get some relief from all the taxing.
long story short, Obamas tax plan is wack. But only to people who use money.
i thought palins speech really said a whole lot of nothing, just GOP rhetoric.
and to throw my two cents in, the last few fiscal messes our country has experienced have come because of republican overspending
LOL!
I remember back in the day when Clinton was prez...I got gas for .99 a gallon.
And you talk about how Obama would tax businesses and stuff....hasn't the Republican party been doing that as awell? I mean... $6 for a gallon of milk? I would much rather get ass raped by a tax hiking democrat that a tax hiking republican.
Quote from: goldpony on Sep 04, 2008, 02:27 PM
i thought palins speech really said a whole lot of nothing, just GOP rhetoric.
and to throw my two cents in, the last few fiscal messes our country has experienced have come because of republican overspending
Absolutely GOP rhetoric. She is psyching the fuck out of the conservative base. It is McCain's ticket to the white house. She served her purpose well
And I see what you are saying out "Republican overspending" and I agree with you, with one minor change. It was "Bush administration overspending" After all, one of the fundamental differences between democrats and republicans ( if it still even matters to people to know why they belong to their party) is that Republicans believe in less government spending. This is why men like Ron Paul are republicans. the Bush administration just happened to go completely rogue and fucking do whatever the fuck they wanted. They were not a Republican administration by definition.
Of course, the democrat majority congress didn't do shit to stop them either. I mean, if we are pointing fingers that is.
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 04, 2008, 02:28 PM
I remember back in the day when Clinton was prez...I got gas for .99 a gallon.
yeah but that's pretty irrelevant to today. That really didn't have anything to do with the economy or overspending. Supply and Demand. We really cant control how much these ass holes are going to charge us. Not to mention that our Middle Eastern friends have even admitted to purposely driving up the price of oil to make up for better fuel efficiency in modern automobiles.
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 04, 2008, 02:34 PM
And you talk about how Obama would tax businesses and stuff....hasn't the Republican party been doing that as awell? I mean... $6 for a gallon of milk? I would much rather get ass raped by a tax hiking democrat that a tax hiking republican.
and I think that really has more to do with the high prices of gas ( transportation of the milk ) and inflation ( the farmer has to charge more because his dollar is worth less ) Not to mention that farmers are getting ass rapped left and right in this country. So they have to charge more to make ends meat.
I haven't really ever researched it , because I live in japan and shop at the military PX so my shit is pretty cheap. But I don't think the rise in food prices was due to taxing.
Republicans believe in helping the people through providing a strong economy through capitalism. They provide the market, you work in it and prosper. Not , you dont do shit but still get food and medical care for it. Governments have an obligation to look after their citizens. their poor and hungry and struggling citizens. Its called a social contract ( I know, huge oversimplification) . However, I ( Trey Gregory ) do no have an obligation to give my money to the hungry and poor. now maybe I will give out of my own pocket because I am a nice guy and I have morals. But it is not the governments job to take it from me, and give it to them. I would rather live in a strong prosperous market ( IE the long term ) than live in a country of hand outs ( IE the short term)
Need proof that it works? check out the 80s, they were way more prosperous than 92-2000. Go ahead and google to find out who was president back then.
Like I said, George W. was not a republican president. He had his own agenda. But the whole reason that he got elected was because people voted based on party affiliation and refused to research the real facts. He won votes in small town america because he made them feel like he was one of them, not because he was the best man for the job. Is this sounding familiar? Lets not make the same mistake AGAIN America, do the fucking research this time.
Quote from: Variable on Sep 04, 2008, 03:12 PM
And I see what you are saying out "Republican overspending" and I agree with you, with one minor change. It was "Bush administration overspending" After all, one of the fundamental differences between democrats and republicans ( if it still even matters to people to know why they belong to their party) is that Republicans believe in less government spending. This is why men like Ron Paul are republicans. the Bush administration just happened to go completely rogue and fucking do whatever the fuck they wanted. They were not a Republican administration by definition.
Of course, the democrat majority congress didn't do shit to stop them either. I mean, if we are pointing fingers that is.
true true, but i think you also have to include reagan and the first bush as well. clinton was no saint, but at least he balanced the budget. and i doubt congress coudl stop a dust bunny imo
The RNC last night just reminded me how much of a chode I think Giuliani is. If there is one politician I hate more than anyone else, it's this guy.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/03/sot.rnc.giuliani.iraq.cnn (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/03/sot.rnc.giuliani.iraq.cnn)
yeah, that ass hole. Fuck him for totally cleaning New York up
Haha. What has he done since then except be stuck on the past? In order to move forward you need to move on.
Quote from: goldpony on Sep 04, 2008, 02:27 PM
and to throw my two cents in, the last few fiscal messes our country has experienced have come because of republican overspending
thank you, that's all anyone needs to know, to know who to vote for (not really, but it really fuckin pisses me off)
Quote from: defskull on Sep 04, 2008, 08:42 PM
The RNC last night just reminded me how much of a chode I think Giuliani is. If there is one politician I hate more than anyone else, it's this guy.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/03/sot.rnc.giuliani.iraq.cnn (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/03/sot.rnc.giuliani.iraq.cnn)
yea thats how i feel as well about that corrupt, pompous, over-exaggerating, lying prick.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Sep 04, 2008, 10:07 PM
Quote from: goldpony on Sep 04, 2008, 02:27 PM
and to throw my two cents in, the last few fiscal messes our country has experienced have come because of republican overspending
thank you, that's all anyone needs to know, to know who to vote for (not really, but it really fuckin pisses me off)
And when you think of influential presidents,which one comes to mind?? I know for a LOT of people,it's JFK....who was a........................................????
Howard Dean FTW!!!
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 04, 2008, 10:52 PM
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Sep 04, 2008, 10:07 PM
Quote from: goldpony on Sep 04, 2008, 02:27 PM
and to throw my two cents in, the last few fiscal messes our country has experienced have come because of republican overspending
thank you, that's all anyone needs to know, to know who to vote for (not really, but it really fuckin pisses me off)
And when you think of influential presidents,which one comes to mind?? I know for a LOT of people,it's JFK....who was a........................................????
Howard Dean FTW!!!
BYAW!!!!!!!!!
???
Here are some points for you to hash over,
-Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."
-Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'"
-Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.
-Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man made."
-Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP.
-Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest.
-Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches.
-As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor."
-She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."
very interesting ^^^^
are you watching McCain tonight?
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 05, 2008, 12:38 AM
Here are some points for you to hash over,
-Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."
-Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'"
-Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.
-Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man made."
-Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP.
-Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest.
-Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches.
-As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor."
-She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."
I even read some more crazy stuff :
From wikipedia :
In 2007, Palin supported the Alaska Department of Fish and Game policy allowing Alaska state biologists to hunt wolves from helicopters as part of a predator control program intended to increase moose populations.[63] The program was criticized by Defenders of Wildlife and predator control opponents,[63] and prompted California State Representative George Miller to introduce a federal bill (H.R. 3663) seeking to make the practice illegal.[63] In March 2008, a federal judge in Alaska upheld the practice of hunting wolves from the air, though limited its extent.[64] On August 26, 2008, Alaskans voted against ending the state's predator control program.[65]
-> Can't find it anymore, but I read the reason for that is that hunters can enjoy a bigger population of moose to hunt and have fun with.
Still wikipedia :
On January 5, 2008, the New York Times published an op-ed by Palin, presenting her view that the polar bear should not be placed on the endangered species list.[66] In May 2008, Palin objected to the decision of Dirk Kempthorne, the Republican United States Secretary of the Interior, to list polar bears federally as an endangered species, saying this move was premature and was not the appropriate management tool for their welfare; the State of Alaska filed a lawsuit to stop the listing amid fears that it would hurt oil and gas development in the bears' habitat off Alaska's northern and northwestern coasts.[67]
-> Is there anything that needs to be said ?
Still wikipedia :
Palin also opposes strengthening protections for beluga whales in Alaska's Cook Inlet, where oil and gas development has been proposed. [68]
-> Is there anything that needs to be said ?
Still wikipedia :
Palin has declared herself in favor of capital punishment. She has stated: "If the legislature passed a death penalty law, I would sign it. We have a right to know that someone who rapes and murders a child or kills an innocent person in a drive by shooting will never be able to do that again."[19] In a televized debate in 2006, Palin's responded to a question about the death penalty by saying that for crimes such as the murder of a child, "My goodness, hang 'em up, yeah."[20]
So yeah, you're "pro life", and wouldn't want the victim of a rape to be able to abort because she has (from her own words) "faith that every baby is created for a good purpose", but then you're in favour of death penalty....
Anyway, I didn't like that much Mc Cain, but he still looked like an OK candidate to me... But now that he has made that political move of choosing Palin as VP, and seeing as despicable that bitch is, I say fuck him...
I'm not a blind supporter of Obama, and don't think he's the greatest man ever, or that he could be the best president, but fuck, seeing what the republicans offer (I'm not talking about the complete voidness of their program and speeches which only consist in attacks towards Democrats...), fuck there's no hesitation for me who I would vote for if I had to...
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 04, 2008, 10:52 PM
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Sep 04, 2008, 10:07 PM
Quote from: goldpony on Sep 04, 2008, 02:27 PM
and to throw my two cents in, the last few fiscal messes our country has experienced have come because of republican overspending
thank you, that's all anyone needs to know, to know who to vote for (not really, but it really fuckin pisses me off)
And when you think of influential presidents,which one comes to mind?? I know for a LOT of people,it's JFK....who was a........................................????
Howard Dean FTW!!!
JFK was influential how? He didn't do shit but fail in cuba and start the war in Vietnam. The only thing he did right, was get assassinated. That's the only reason anyone still talks about him. And you know its true.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Sep 04, 2008, 10:07 PM
Quote from: goldpony on Sep 04, 2008, 02:27 PM
and to throw my two cents in, the last few fiscal messes our country has experienced have come because of republican overspending
thank you, that's all anyone needs to know, to know who to vote for (not really, but it really fuckin pisses me off)
so do you not have a reply to my statement about Republican spending? McCain is promising to stop all that spending. As I said, the Bush administration was not a Republican administration by definition. Republicans are the party trying to make government smaller. Democrats are the party trying to make it larger. If the only reason you are not voting "republican" is because Bush and McCain are both "republicans" then than is pretty moronic.
Sorry, I dont have time to reply to any other post right now. Gota be getting back to work soon. But ill reply to your post when I have time ( I noticed most of you dont reply to mine. You just wait for some new hot gossip to throw out)
Quote from: Variable on Sep 05, 2008, 03:46 AM
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Sep 04, 2008, 10:07 PM
Quote from: goldpony on Sep 04, 2008, 02:27 PM
and to throw my two cents in, the last few fiscal messes our country has experienced have come because of republican overspending
thank you, that's all anyone needs to know, to know who to vote for (not really, but it really fuckin pisses me off)
so do you not have a reply to my statement about Republican spending? McCain is promising to stop all that spending. As I said, the Bush administration was not a Republican administration by definition. Republicans are the party trying to make government smaller. Democrats are the party trying to make it larger. If the only reason you are not voting "republican" is because Bush and McCain are both "republicans" then than is pretty moronic.
Sorry, I dont have time to reply to any other post right now. Gota be getting back to work soon. But ill reply to your post when I have time ( I noticed most of you dont reply to mine. You just wait for some new hot gossip to throw out)
basically yeah you were right, and after seeing his speech there is some hope if he does get elected (even though he bored me to hell during the second half by telling his war stories).
if he can actually successfully mend some ties between the republicans and democrats and change some shit, then he would make me happy.
I really don't like either. I'd vote for JM though cause that VP is smokin. ..
word to her mother
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 05, 2008, 04:06 AM
I really don't like either. I'd vote for JM though cause that VP is smokin. ..
Good thing you live in Canada.
too bad you dont!
har har har ::)
You're just mad my vote will cancel out yours....you voting noob!
not really seeing as how we dont live in the same state. Google the electoral college noob.
Oh...I'm TOOOOOOOOTALLY moving to NM just to vote...so HMM!
lol, you would have to become a citizen. Are you sure you want to take that step? Go slumming with us desert folks. But be careful, we did vote for Bush in 04. There is a pretty large conservative community outside of Albuquerque and Santa Fe. Palin might just energize all those conservative farmers to take a trip to the city and vote in that nice young Christian lady.
Hell...Tennessee voted for Bush too,so I guess it's not that big of a step. I need to move to a Blue state...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/US_presidential_election_2004_map.svg/800px-US_presidential_election_2004_map.svg.png)
well you dont have a whole hell of a lot of options. But there you go
I should move to Chicago!!! YES!!!
yeah, im pretty sure we can all count on Illinois going blue
Compliments of Lithium....hahaha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYwzW2QFnwo
<3 it!
bow wow bow wow chica chica chica
;D
[youtube=425,350]9DqR7zis99I[/youtube]
HAHAHAHA! WHAT THE FUCK!?
lol
it is actually a common belief and practice world wide that you need to heat water to 37 degrees Celsius before trying to rehydrate an infant with it. Its my understanding that it has been proven not to matter. As in it causes no harm or damage. But for a long time, that was the standard. It still is in a lot of places today.
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 05, 2008, 11:41 AM
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 05, 2008, 04:06 AM
I really don't like either. I'd vote for JM though cause that VP is smokin. ..
Good thing you live in Canada.
I do, but I'm still an American. I might just go down and vote McCain.
mmmmm my vote cancels yours
obama is sounding like sometype of wannabe god
i will end disease and world hunger... while the sick will get better and the dead will rise
lawl
lol, thats exactly how I see him. And its based on exactly nothing.
jon stewart makes up my mind
:D
Im a big fan of the Colbert Report for my news information.
Although lately he has been pissing me off. He is so obviously for Obama and against McCain. He will take cute little harmless stabs at Obama. But like throws the entire GOP under a bus and lights them on fire. Its just annoying. I thought he was supposed to be the conservative right wing relief from the Daily show anyways. Hopefully when the elections are over he will be back in true form. Although I do love the fact that he has Ron Paul on A LOT.
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 07, 2008, 04:43 AM
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 05, 2008, 11:41 AM
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 05, 2008, 04:06 AM
I really don't like either. I'd vote for JM though cause that VP is smokin. ..
Good thing you live in Canada.
I do, but I'm still an American. I might just go down and vote McCain.
mmmmm my vote cancels yours
obama is sounding like sometype of wannabe god
i will end disease and world hunger... while the sick will get better and the dead will rise
lawl
So...you're a registered voter?? Were you born in America?
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 07, 2008, 03:43 PM
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 07, 2008, 04:43 AM
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 05, 2008, 11:41 AM
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 05, 2008, 04:06 AM
I really don't like either. I'd vote for JM though cause that VP is smokin. ..
Good thing you live in Canada.
I do, but I'm still an American. I might just go down and vote McCain.
mmmmm my vote cancels yours
obama is sounding like sometype of wannabe god
i will end disease and world hunger... while the sick will get better and the dead will rise
lawl
So...you're a registered voter?? Were you born in America?
Nah I'm just talking shit, my dad lives in Atlanta, and I was born in Canada.
Seriously though, what is it that you don't like about McCain/Palin?
They are the evil republican ticket. All republicans are evil ass holes by default. All democrats are warm and happy and just want to help you. Because they love you.
Quote from: Variable on Sep 07, 2008, 09:04 PM
They are the evil republican ticket. All republicans are evil ass holes by default. All democrats are warm and happy and just want to help you. Because they love you.
Quote from: Variable on Sep 07, 2008, 09:04 PM
They are the evil republican ticket. All republicans are evil ass holes by default. All democrats are warm and happy and just want to help you. Because they love you.
Finally! We pass out hug coupons too.
You guys need to finish out this war shit, and then help in afghanistan, you know, where the taliban actually is.
Don't say "you guys"....My vote or opinion doesn't mean shit cause my party isn't in office...so............'
exactly what she said ^^
He that oppress reproach his maker. He that honor him have mercy on the poor.
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 08, 2008, 12:44 AM
Don't say "you guys"....My vote or opinion doesn't mean shit cause my party isn't in office...so............'
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Sep 08, 2008, 02:05 AM
exactly what she said ^^
yeah i just read the obama thread
:P :-[
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 08, 2008, 03:44 AM
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 08, 2008, 12:44 AM
Don't say "you guys"....My vote or opinion doesn't mean shit cause my party isn't in office...so............'
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Sep 08, 2008, 02:05 AM
exactly what she said ^^
yeah i just read the obama thread
:P :-[
lawl your high fool
democracy is a fucking lie
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 08, 2008, 12:17 AM
You guys need to finish out this war shit, and then help in afghanistan, you know, where the taliban actually is.
woh woh woh woh. Hold on a sec. I think we can all agree going to Iraq was one of the worst decisions in American history. But, we did go to Afghanistan first. And we have not left Afghanistan since. We have more than enough troops in Afghanistan to get the mission done. And we are helping the people of Afghanistan in many, many ways. Afghanistan is actually coming along quite nicely.
The recent increase of violence is for two reasons
1. The fighting season. Check every single year, that the US and NATO has been in Afghanistan. Violence always hits bottom in the winter, and sky rockets in the summer. The mountains and harsh winter there do not allow the fighters to cross the Pakistan border during the winter. So unless you are literally right on the boarder ( which of course only the US is with the Only exception of Britain except that we had to send the USMC down south to help them out) there will be no violence.
2. The United States Marine Corps. yes, that is a reason in itself. They threw a few thousand Marines down south and they stirred things up. How? they left the base. Yes, the opposite is actually a strategy that NATO forces ( particularly Canada and Britain down in the Helman Provence) have tried, and keep trying. There is this infection mentality in Afghanistan that you should just stay on your FOB and hope the world around you remains secure. It extents to the US Army as well. Its disturbing. However, Marines being trained as assault troops. Tend to try to go do something. So they started patrols. This confused the Bad guys at first. Because they were not used to seeing NATO forces in their villages. After they realized it was not going to stop. They started shooting at them. Because it was giving the good people in those villages a sense of security. A sense that maybe it was ok to go give some intelligence about where the bad guys are hiding out.
anyways, im preaching. But that's what up in afghanistan. Obama so proudly talks about how intelligent he is for wanting to send in, what is it two more brigades? But that's not the problem at all. The problem is to get the forces that are already there to do their job. The mission after all is to get the Afghanistan National Army and Afghanistan National Police to take charge so we can eventually leave. How would sending more troops be progressing towards that? The NATO forces need to get their shit together. And seeing as how the ONLY NATO forces with the potential to be worth a fuck are Canada and Britain ( I talk shit, but I actually have a lot of respect for both ) Maybe you sir should get your country to start doing more in Afghanistan.
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 08, 2008, 12:44 AM
Don't say "you guys"....My vote or opinion doesn't mean shit cause my party isn't in office...so............'
and that bull shit too kelly. And you know it. Who has control of congress? Did the Democrats not Vote for the "war" in Iraq? Have republicans not tried to get out of it? This issue goes beyond parties. But, the congress controlled by your party hasn't done shit about anything. If you want to point fingers that is.
Correct me if I'm wrong,but didn't the Democratic party just gain head in Congress?
"During the administration of President Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–45), the Democratic Party controlled both houses of Congress. The Republicans won control of both houses in the 1946 elections, only to lose them in 1948; with Dwight D. Eisenhower's election to the presidency in 1952, the Republicans again won both houses. However, after the Democratic Party again won back control in the elections of 1954, it was the majority party in both houses of Congress for most of the next 40 years; the Republicans were only able to win control of the Senate for a six-year period (1981–87). The Republicans won a majority position in both houses of Congress in the elections of 1994. The Republicans controlled both houses until 2006, except the Senate for most of 2001 and 2002, when the Democrats had the majority after Jim Jeffords left the Republican Party to become an independent and caucus with the Democrats. In 2006, the Democratic Party regained control of the House of Representatives, and the results of the Senate elections yielded a Senate makeup of 49 Republicans, 49 Democrats, and two independents. In the 110th Congress (2007–08), the Democratic voting bloc has a 51-49 majority in the Senate because the two independents, Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut and Bernie Sanders of Vermont, align themselves with the Democratic Party."
if you consider "just" to be 2 years then sure. But that's half their term. They are up for re election in 2010. And this is in fact the least productive congress in American history. As in, they literally have not done shit. Have not accomplished anything. And since you so proudly boasted that your party was not in the white house. I just thought I would mention that they did have control of congress. and the president can only veto twice.....so.....hm
TECHNICALLY they didn't take over till 07...kinda like when we vote for President and he doesn't take over till the next year. And here's a list of a few things they HAVE done.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/key-votes/
I like Roll Call 624 myself...especially the last line "President Bush has promised to veto any bill that sets a deadline for troop withdrawal" ::)
Why Trent is sooo BA
[youtube=625,550]yqOCpvCb1cI[/youtube]
Quote from: Variable on Sep 08, 2008, 09:31 AM
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 08, 2008, 12:17 AM
You guys need to finish out this war shit, and then help in afghanistan, you know, where the taliban actually is.
woh woh woh woh. Hold on a sec. I think we can all agree going to Iraq was one of the worst decisions in American history. But, we did go to Afghanistan first. And we have not left Afghanistan since. We have more than enough troops in Afghanistan to get the mission done. How would sending more troops be progressing towards that? The NATO forces need to get their shit together. And seeing as how the ONLY NATO forces with the potential to be worth a fuck are Canada and Britain ( I talk shit, but I actually have a lot of respect for both ) Maybe you sir should get your country to start doing more in Afghanistan.
I know you guys are in Afghanistan, just wasn't sure how many troops you've commited. Do you know? I'm curious, we have 2500. I think thats a pretty good amount considering the size of our population.
The only thing I can do to help the war in Afghanistan is vote for Stephen Harper. Unless I enlist, which I'm not because I don't care that much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
http://www.cmpa.com/Studies/Election08/election%20news%207_29_08.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Media_and_Public_Affairs
Todd Harris, a GOP strategist, slips up (?) and admits on MSNBC that the reason for Palin's press silence could be because she might make a mistake. So ... they need to groom and prep her to the point of a practical gag order?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AV_54517R8
Oh, and the bit about her asking before if someone could explain to her what exactly a VP does everyday ... because, you know, she's used to "being productive and working real hard." Nice tone there, lady. Seems like this woman doesn't think much of jobs other than her own, considering she's mocked Obama's community work and the job of vice presidents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006axc2aELE
::)
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 08, 2008, 06:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
lol
I don't get it, why wouldn't the media cover this?
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 08, 2008, 06:11 PM
Quote from: Variable on Sep 08, 2008, 09:31 AM
Quote from: Corleone on Sep 08, 2008, 12:17 AM
You guys need to finish out this war shit, and then help in afghanistan, you know, where the taliban actually is.
woh woh woh woh. Hold on a sec. I think we can all agree going to Iraq was one of the worst decisions in American history. But, we did go to Afghanistan first. And we have not left Afghanistan since. We have more than enough troops in Afghanistan to get the mission done. How would sending more troops be progressing towards that? The NATO forces need to get their shit together. And seeing as how the ONLY NATO forces with the potential to be worth a fuck are Canada and Britain ( I talk shit, but I actually have a lot of respect for both ) Maybe you sir should get your country to start doing more in Afghanistan.
I know you guys are in Afghanistan, just wasn't sure how many troops you've commited. Do you know? I'm curious, we have 2500. I think thats a pretty good amount considering the size of our population.
The only thing I can do to help the war in Afghanistan is vote for Stephen Harper. Unless I enlist, which I'm not because I don't care that much.
im not sure exactly. It would probably be pretty easy to look up. But I just woke up so im being lazy. But its a pretty substantial number. Especially between the US and all the troops from all the other NATO countries. Its enough. Like I said, the goal is to have the ANA and ANP take over anyways. I know the ANA is around 70,000 right now. Not too bad for a country smaller than Texas. You do know that I got back from afghanistan in April right? Im just saying from my experiences there, we have enough troops. They are just not being used.
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 08, 2008, 03:43 PM
TECHNICALLY they didn't take over till 07...kinda like when we vote for President and he doesn't take over till the next year. And here's a list of a few things they HAVE done.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/key-votes/
I like Roll Call 624 myself...especially the last line "President Bush has promised to veto any bill that sets a deadline for troop withdrawal" ::)
like I said kelly, he can only veto twice
Ok,whats your deal with the Vetoes? He can only Veto a bill once I though...
Congress passes a bill, the president doesn't like it. He vetoes it. It doesn't pass. But if congress really believes in the bill, and isnt just trying to win the public over by saying " hey we tried but those jerk faces said no" then they will pass it again. Once again, the president Vetos it. After that, if congress passes the bill again, the president can't veto it. He can only veto the same bill twice. So if any of this was actually important to them, they continue to pass the legislation, only 3 times.
Its just their way of saying that they did something, without actually doing anything.
really? i thought he just vetoed a bill once, then the process started over in congress, but it needed 2/3 of the vote to override the president.
guess i'm dumber than i thought.
Interesting stuff
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Sep 08, 2008, 11:54 PM
really? i thought he just vetoed a bill once, then the process started over in congress, but it needed 2/3 of the vote to override the president.
guess i'm dumber than i thought.
EXACTLY! That's what I was saying. But hell....maybe I remember wrong also.
well yeah there is more to the process. But I just simplified it. Pretty much, the president does not have unlimited veto power.
k. I did get it a little mixed up. Here it is
The word "veto" does not appear in the United States Constitution. Per U.S. Const., Article I, Section 7 all legislation passed by both houses of Congress must be presented to the President. This presentation is in the President's capacity as head of state.
If the President approves of the legislation, he signs it (sign into law). If he does not approve, he must return the bill, unsigned, within ten days, excluding Sundays, to the house of the United States Congress in which it originated, while the Congress is in session. The President is constitutionally required to state his objections to the legislation in writing, and the Congress is constitutionally required to consider them, and to reconsider the legislation. This action, in effect, is a veto.
If the Congress overrides the veto by a two-thirds majority in each house, it becomes law without the President's signature. Otherwise, the bill fails to become law unless it is presented to the President again and he chooses to sign it.
A bill can also become law without the President's signature if, after it is presented to him, he simply fails to sign it within the ten days noted. If there are fewer than ten days left in the session before Congress adjourns, and if Congress does so adjourn before the ten days have expired in which the President might sign the bill, then the bill fails to become law. This procedure, when used as a formal device, is called a pocket veto.
either way, the president doesn't have unlimited veto power.
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/19/how-does-the-wsj-article-affect-mccain/
he graduated 894th out of 899? no wonder i thought his economic plan seemed dumb.
Oh wooooooooooooooooooooooooooow!!!
how serious is the threat of the economy theses days? what do u guys think about it considering that market places all over the world are involved.
pretty much it still sucks
it's very serious dude... Markets are crazy and make no sense at all anymore....
Let's see what the us government is gonna come with, but for once, they might save the world for real...
Still, it's gonna be fucking shitty for them.... Debt will be even crazier, and China will pretty much own the US... well sort of....
It is beyond serious. The US and all the countries who have invested in the US could get fucked really hard, really fast. I am 100% confident that the US government is going to make the wrong choice in how to deal with this. They have been ignoring the signs of the damage that the Federal Reserve has been doing to our country for decades. Here is a quote from 2001 from Congressman Dr. Ron Paul
"The relative soundness of our currency that we enjoy as we movie into the twenty-first century will not persist. The instability in the world currency markets, because of the dollars's acceptance for so many years as a reserve currency, will cause devastating adjustments that Congress will eventually be forced to deal with."
If that is not proof that we need to start listening to these 3rd party candidates and pay some serious attention to the issues they bring up, I dont know what is. I have not done a whole lot of research on the big 4 3rd party candidates. But from what I do understand, they all agree with Dr. Paul on how to fix the economy. While Obama and McCain both just want to continue to put band aids on the economy instead of admitting that they have absolutely no understanding of economics.
Where did a county who is trillians of dollars in debt get the billions of dollars to buy out these companies? The federal reserve just straight up printed it up. Just like that. Inflating our dollar even more. This is a very, very temporary fix. It is also very dangerous. The market is going to falsly appear to stabilize. So people make bad investments because they seem to be stable and good at the time. Bad investments are obviously bad for the economy. It also makes people feel a bit safer to step out and take a loan on live outside of their means because interest rates will get lowered due When the effects of the inflation hit, and the market gets very unstable again. What is going to happen? More government buy outs, more inflation. Probably to the point of hyper inflation. At that point, its too late. The dollar will literally be worthless. Not worthless in a cynical way, literally worthless. I'm telling you right now, buy gold.
The most direct thing people can do to stop this will be to live within their means. Stop going into debt, or at least further into debt. The government is probably not going to change any time soon. But we have to start taking the steps. We have to demand that these issues be raised in political debates instead of pointless minor issues like abortion and gun control. We need to talk about the gold standard. Getting rid of the federal reserve. Or at least controlling their ability to print off as much money as they want. We need to re-evaluate NAFTA and the WTO. We need true free trade if it is ever going to really work. We must also demand that the US government also starts to live within its means. And starts using our tax dollars to get out of debt, instead of getting further into it.
This is very scary stuff. And most people seem to either be oblivious that it is happening or oblivious that the big dogs in the Government have no idea how to fix it. I am personally very worried.
Dude I watched some very interesting shit on MSNBC last night...wish I could find it though. McCain was blaming OBAMA for the stock market falling!! lemme look...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26798324#26798523
LOL @ S.P.I.C
There are soo many more great videos if you'd like to look.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26798324#26797957
Gawd he's an idiot!
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 20, 2008, 02:27 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26798324#26798523
LOL @ S.P.I.C
There are soo many more great videos if you'd like to look.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26798324#26797957
Gawd he's an idiot!
i dont know why i watched that. pisses me off so much...
Yeah its amazing how retarded this presidential race is getting. I think McCain's comment about the economy was kind of like Obama's "bitter voters" comment. I understand what each of them meant by it. And I think most people do too, they are just choosing to pretend that they meant something else so that they have a reason to gripe. The big difference though was that Obama actually had a pretty good point. McCain is just wrong. Granted that Obama agrees with him by default, because he is not offering to change the fundamentals of our economy.
I dont want to sound like im defending McCain and Palin again. But that video was pretty dam 1 sided. I almost think Michael Moore must have helped them. And the sexist comment? I didn't quite see the grounds for that at all. The amazing thing about that video to me though was how obviously and shamelessly that chick is about being anti McCain. I mean she is not even trying to appear non bias. That is very irresponsible in the media.
The reporter from the 2nd video was bad too. Fuck MSNBC is way worse than FOX. At least FOX tries to act like they are not bias. The only person worth listening to in that whole thing was the Black dude from the 2nd video. He was pretty intelligent. McCains comment about Obama needing to take responsibility for the economic crisis was beyond stupid. But Obama's response was also misleading and overreactive. McCain didn't solely blame Obama. He pretty much just said " get off your high horse and admit that you were part of the problem." the problem though, is that McCain didnt take responsibility himself. Fuck, if I can figure this out, why cant they?
Its a shame what this campaign has done for McCain. He was a very honorable man. But he has gotten so caught up in all of this bull shit ( no doubt with tons of pressure from the GOP to say this and say that and smear this and smear that) He is really ruining his once good name.
kelly-It took me forever to upload both of those videos. So im not going to go surfing through the rest. But I appreciate you steering me towards some of the better ones. I dont have a TV so I dont get to catch the news very often. If you find any more that are worth the long upload, let me know.
But Trey,Fox is a "RED" news stations. Everyone knows that! But yeah,I have noticed MSNBC is mainly a "BLUE" channel. Maybe that's why I watch MSNBC soo much. :P
If I come across anymore tonight I'll send em your way...
i love watching Olbermann on MSNBC
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 21, 2008, 04:18 AM
But Trey,Fox is a "RED" news stations. Everyone knows that! But yeah,I have noticed MSNBC is mainly a "BLUE" channel. Maybe that's why I watch MSNBC soo much. :P
If I come across anymore tonight I'll send em your way...
yeah fox obviously favors the GOP. But like, slightly. I have seen then go both ways. And at least they have Hannity
and Colmes. Even when they are being bias, they still try to pretend that they are not. Those people were shamelessly just throwing it out there that they are particient. They should not be able to be classified as news.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26838582/
;D
She uses a Yahoo email address for personal business? ? ? ?
heard about that one....classic
She could a LEAST use a Gmail....gah.
Palin_Vice_Prez@yahoo.com. LOL
yeah dont politicians somehow get special e-mail accounts or something. Something secure, at least.
yeah for sure they have a secure network. Even I have two e-mail accounts on secure government networks.
And I'm just soo terribly happy to see McCain giving the go ahead for tonights debate. GOD what a douche! I don't see him making it to the White House...people are starting to see what a lying prick he really is.
Fox news-Rupert Murdoch
McCain-master of political theater
The Fed-unconstitutional and technically illegal
Palin-troopergate
bridge to nowhere
money stolen for the funds for bridge to nowhere
hypocrisy in asking people to "respect her daughters decision" when she won't respect ours
supposed foreign relations experience by being in close proximity with another nation
obviously has no clue what her running mate stands for
and of course
lipstick
^^ the most comprehensive and intellignet take on McCain yet, nice work defkitty
LoL thats great. I can't wait for tonight, I hope McCain tells us some more war stories
I hung out with my best friend and her husband today,and they are hardcore Republicans...and you'll be happy to know Trey,they said they wanted to vote for Ron Paul! hahahahaha
sound like smart people. True republicans should be pretty disgusted with Bush and McCain. You should really read Ron Paul's book. Its amazing
Maybe i'll buy it one day. But I want the Dita Von Teese book first...OUUWAAHHH!!
If I lived near you I would buy it for you. I buy it for anyone who wants it. Im kind of like a Gideon with the bible. I just really believe in the message of the book. The world would be so much better off if we add opted the policy Dr. Pail speaks about in his book. Its pretty short, you can kill it in no time. You should pick it up. I guarantee it will change the way you view the world forever.
You still owe my daughter one! =o)
okay okay...I'll get it!
But....DITA!
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indeed
Quote from: devilinside on Sep 28, 2008, 11:34 PM
okay okay...I'll get it!
But....DITA!
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I would rather sit down and speak with Ron Paul than have all night alone with her.
Wow....you're pretty gay Trey.
No. Skanks like her are a dime a dozen. I don't get to sit down and have intelligent discussions with brilliant people - heroes of mine very often. Sorry for being influenced more by great political thinkers and revolutionaries than sex symbols. I'm such a douche.
you'd arrive to your little sit down, only to find a note that read "brb fag, im out with dita von teese"
you're so much better than any of us.
If you say so.BUT...how do you know she's not a brilliant woman? Because she's a famous burlesque dancer or cause she's into fetish photography or cause she married,and divorced Marilyn Manson? How can u judge her mind by how she looks??
I get what ur saying,Ron Paul is a big influence on u,but calling her a skank and pretty much saying she's stupid is pretty lame when you PROBABLY don't know soo much about the woman (other than what I listed above).
I did not call her stupid. I called her a skank and a sex symbol. But only after I made a very simple statement. And then you called me gay for making the statement. We were talking about books. I was suggesting Ron Paul's book. You said that you wanted to read it, but you wanted to read Dita's book first. Then you posted a pic of her. To which obviously I found sexy and attractive. To try and make a point as to how much I enjoyed his book, and respect the man. I said that I would rather sit and be able to have a conversation with him rather then spend all night having sex with this beautiful woman. Then you called me gay.
So we went from a simple conversation where we were sharing people that we like with each other, to you insulting me. So I fired back. In my own defense, I didn't take a shot at you like you did to me. Then you act like I'm some terrible , elite, asshole. I was simply defending myself by saying that my life has been influenced more by men like Ron Paul and Thomas Jefferson then by pop culture sex symbols. I see beautiful women all the time. I have had plenty of sex with beautiful women. I have never been able to meet such an influential. Definitely never had a private conversation with them. If that makes me gay and an elitist to you people, then I think you are fucked up. I was not insulting any of you, or saying I was better than anyone.
Oh an Kelly. I'm sorry that you got so offended by my skank comment. But image, and how you choose to have people perceive you, says a lot about you. She has produced thousands of pictures of her being half naked, or naked. She wrote two books that I could find. One called naked ambition and her earlier book Burlesque/Fetish and The Art of the Teese I could not find much info on naked ambition but the most people could say about Burlesque/Fetish and The Art of the Teese is that it had a lot of good pictures. Her biggest accomplishment seems to be that she designed a product for wonderbra. I dont think this is a woman who is trying to be known for her brilliance or intellect.
Quote from: White Pwny on Sep 28, 2008, 11:28 PM
You still owe my daughter one! =o)
ill mail it to her. But only on the condition that you read it to her ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be9X9fuVS-c
let's just ice mccain and put paul on the fucking ticket. he would totally win if the republicans would just get behind him
That's whats fucked up. He would win and he is actually the best man for the job.
Wow thanks for all the info.! I had never really looked into Ron Paul, but he has some great ideas and a great general philosophy. I still am voting for Obama this time though. I definitely think it's awesome though that Ron Paul is against the FDIC...it really coincides with a lot of proposed theories on international banks that the documentary "Zeitgeist" suggests (and foreshadows now that you look at our current economy). It's crazy to me how the FDIC is not being questioned enough by our media in relation to all of this -they make our money backed by thin air and therefore can control how much we have... this is nuts and definitely unconstitutional.
I agree that the internet is really the most objective form of research that we have left today...Fox is way too conservative (Rupert Murdoch, Bill O'Reilly), MSNBC/NBC are very liberal (Keith Olberman/Rachel Maddow--I do still love to watch them rant), and pretty much all the others seem to be biased depending on which anchor is on. Funny I seem to watch the news more for comedic entertainment now than for informational purposes....kinda sad actually....
John McCain will be arriving here in Nashville any minute for tomorrow nights debate....
are you ready for his new smear campaign?
sure
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/mccain-loses-ground-to-obama-in-polls/203370?icid=100214839x1211085246x1200646343
Looks like McCain has a new friend....joe the plumber. Let me start by saying that I have absolutely nothing against plumbers in general. It's an extremely necessary job and I'm grateful for all that they do. However when this joe guy starts influencing the votes for the leader of the free world....I get worried. McCain is truly desperate if he's going this low.
I really find it suspicious that this guy just happened to get questions with each of them and just happened to get them all answered on camera too. I guess Joe the Plumber is plan z for the McCain campaign.
This guy was mentioned more in the final presidential debate than the word "Iraq." Wow.
I'd like to see the candidates prove they're "middle class worthiness" by living in it rather than manipulating some middle class citizen into supporting them on national television. This is sick and this guy obviously has no idea what the candidates stand for because he supports McCain (for his super low taxes) when Obama would actually tax him less. Hmmmm....someone call out Sarah Palin for another distraction-the facts may just start to get in the way again. This whole thing is a fucking circus.
Ha, Obama kicked McCains ass in the third debate.
Update---Joe the plumber is not an actual plumber----I repeat mr. middle class joe is a POSER.
C-O-N-S-P-I-R-A-C-Y
Can't say I didn't expect it from McCain and his disgusting campaign.
If I were Obama I would rip that bitch apart. But I guess he's too chill for that.
Quote from: defkitty on Oct 16, 2008, 07:18 PM
This is sick and this guy obviously has no idea what the candidates stand for because he supports McCain (for his super low taxes) when Obama would actually tax him less.
This is not true. You are being sold the small picture when Obama says he will lower taxes for 90% or 95% or whatever the fuck he is saying. Each of their tax plans puts a huge tax bourdon on the American people. It doesn't matter what end you take it from, you will feel it financially.
You don't have to believe in the "trickle down" effect for wealth and prosperity. That is fine. However the trickle down of misery is a tried and true fact. If you add millions of dollars in tax bourdons to the employers of America. It's going to come out of the pocket of the employees. Because you can be dam sure that the CEO isn't going to give up his pay. No pay raises to meet inflation, cuts in benefits, outsourcing, machine labor.....whatever these guys have to do to make up for this money. They will do. Because in the end all these companies produce is profits. Fuck with their profits, and they will fuck their workers. That is truth we can all believe in.
and to be 100% honest man. I don't want to hear shit about conspiracies that McCain is cooking up to win. I have only been back in America for like 12 hours and I am already appalled by the obvious red carpet treatment obama is getting from the press. Every magazine rack I walk by has Obama's face on it with some kind of positive message. Mens fucking health has Obama onthe cover? What the fuck?
Then I see the new cover of rolling stone with McCain crashing a plane on it. Headlining something about his past being reckless and deceiving or dangerous or dishonest....something like that.
I was watching CNN's recap of the debates closing comments. They took McCain and turned the screen black and white. Then when Obama came around. They kept everything red, white, and bue. WTF is that?
Then O'reilly can't say one true negative thing about a democrat without being accused of being a GOP pawn. But douche bags like Keith Olberman can dedicate every episode of their entire program to doing nothing but trying to tear appart the McCain / Palin ticket.
Spare me the bull shit man. There is an obvious machine working for Obama out there. It is literally making me sick to walk around these air ports and see it. Not very many of you seem to care though. Probably because it's working in your favor.
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