http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
I was telling my friend's mom about the zeitgeist movie and decided to show her the website and I noticed something that said Zeitgeist: Addendum and decided to check it out. It is a new Zeitgeist movie, uploaded to google videos yesterday.
Just started watching it. A butt-ton more information on the Federal Reserve and the way money actually comes into existence than the last Zeitgeist movie.
Did someone say the Federal Reserve? im sold
Economic hit-men? Scary.
watching now, thanks!
I started watching "Esoteric Agenda" on youtube also...it's also about the fed and some similar concepts as Zeitgeist...
And www.thezeitgeistmovement.com is up on Oct. 10. Peter Joseph is a genius and so artistically talented-this movie won best feature film at the Artivist Film Festival on Oct. 2.
just watched both of em. Gonna show it to everyone I know. Its some enlightening shit.
I was able to watch just about half of this movie last night. I will get to the rest tonight hopefully.
So far it has been very educational. The part of the Federal Reserve is 100% fact. No conspiracy theory at all. Just in case that is turning off anyone from wanting to watch it. The rest of the video, I dont know yet. But everyone should learn about what the federal reserve is, and how it opperates. This is a good place to start
great movie. they should have just named it "Dr. Obvious And The Journey To The Center Of No One Gives A Shit".
what a waste of 2 hours.
lol, shut up man. There are a lot of people that really have no idea about a lot of this stuff. So far I have only been able to see about 3/4ths of the movie. Finished the part about the venus project. They for sure could have left that part out of the movie. The parts on the Federal Reserve and the Economic hitmen is still pretty interesting though.
they guy lost a lot of credibility with the first zeitgeist.
and actually, i find the venus project to be the most interesting part of the movie.
Quote from: bIondie on Oct 08, 2008, 09:14 PM
they guy lost a lot of credibility with the first zeitgeist.
and actually, i find the venus project to be the most interesting part of the movie.
yeah I agree, some of those religious views are rediculous.
Quote from: bIondie on Oct 08, 2008, 09:14 PM
they guy lost a lot of credibility with the first zeitgeist.
and actually, i find the venus project to be the most interesting part of the movie.
I thought it was very interesting. But there are a lot of holes in it that they didn't talk about. To me it just seemed like a subject that would have better been represented all by itself. Or in a different movie. I'm still glad that I learned about it though.
I never saw the first Zeitgeist movie. So I don't know what he lost credibility about. But recently, the monetary policy of the US and our central banking system has just become an important issue for me. So I was glad to see yet another movie, with good information, getting out to people. Maybe that made me see the rest of the video through rose colored glasses. I don't know, I should probably finish it first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10FI0g0PMhY
Only the first part of "Esoteric Agenda", but the best I could do
Definitely watch for more on the Fed
cool man thanks
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/
I have barely started reading and I am already super sucked in. It's amazing how much sense this makes.
LOL, I love the part at the end of this movie where he is like " Don't join and don't let anyone you know join the military " Fuck me there I guess.
This movie for sure has its ups and downs. I loved the parts about the federal reserve and economic hit men. This may seem like common sense to a lot of us who spend hours online reading shit like this from day to day. But to a lot of people out there, they never even thought of anything like this. So I think it is cool someone is trying to put the information out there. But I kind of wish he would have done it in a ........less artistic? Manner. Someone like my dad would just turn off a movie like this because of all the crazy sounds and graphics. I understand that they are trying to appeal to the younger generations and stuff. But when in Rome....You won't be able to get your message out to people who can act now if they turn it off and take you for a crazy drug addict extremist before they even watch your program.
But as I said, ups and downs. The rest of the movie after the economic whiten part was real hit or miss. I won't go into detail, unless it seems like someone actually want's to talk about it. I will just say that in my opinion, there're some really valid points in these parts, then some other points that seem to be half truths. However, if you are still pondering if this is worth two hours of your life. I would for sure say you could spend your time in a lot of worst ways ( like in my balls topic ) It's probably a good idea to go ahead and watch this movie even if you are sure you wont like it. Just to expose yourself to the other side and issues and ideas you might have never thought about before.
I still think the world is coming to an end, one or another.
Just finished watching Addendum..
and I am sure, well, in my head, that the world is coming to an end. Or, in other words, any hope for mankind to evolve is gone. People are already brainwashed too much. Even you, Trey, no offence, but you are already too brainwashed - you're in the army. Even though I really respect your brain capacity and ability to think analytically and critically, you're in the army - a major mass of units designed to kill people. And it does not matter what do you do there - paint their walls, shoot extremist heads or answer medical calls. You're the part of the machine, part of the scheme. Scheme constructed of small particles and few major gears.
Mankind is stuck in a cycle we ourselves created - we evolved, we made change, even though throughout those changes we made tons of mistakes, killed incredible amounts of people, destroyed our planet, but we made change. And now, in the position of highest level of our integration and capabilites, we are unable to make change - we became overproduced by our brain, by our wishes, by mass effect. We locked ourselves - our whole community with not being able to perceive change, to make a major change in the world. And for this I blame globalization.
Communities before us, separate different communities, I mean, were different. They had different ways of perceiving reality, matters, values. Different ideas rose from different regions, better or worse. And know we're all one pool of mankind, almost collided into multi-corporation fronts. We all think we have same ideas (which actually are injected to us by community pressure), we all feel irresponsible for what we've done, we are not willing to give our precious media filled lives for a better future. And now I do not believe in any better future for mankind - not with the attitude we have now.
And now that monetary system seems to be failing, no such ideas like Venus Project are going to be noticed - nobody will care. The world will drown deeper into depression, into wars, into slavery, into prejudice. Everybody will want to have a piece of this cake. It makes me sad, that the world has no hope. We would have had hope if anything had been done ages before. For example, if religion was simply denied and rejected. I am personally agnostic, and I despise any kind of religion, especially Christianity. It's a joke, a cruel joke, a TALE, in which almost all the world believes. Differences in beliefs, religions made the people misunderstand each other, the wars started, the tension, everything. The religion was a way to validate the primal need for killing. But human being is capable of letting that go. And we do not let that go, cause we are afraid of any other human being in the planet. We create guns to kill each other when we disagree. There is no dialogue. There is no dispute. There is only higher political power (which I despise as much as I despise religion) controlling us all, infecting us with false beliefs.
And one last thing, cause I could go over and over again with these thoughts, the Venus Project. Lets say the Project would be at least close to possible - many people reject it. For reasons they provide boredom. I do not believe in that. Our consciousness is clouded with false beliefs, we do not actually know what are we capable of, because we stopped evolving long before.
Damn, I'm angry about humanity in general.
Man is evolving... haven't you ever seen the real superhumans?
oh, yeah, the batman and the catwoman?
sorry, forgot those
wut
I don't believe in superhumans. Not these days.
you can believe in me
nope
Quote from: bored on Oct 17, 2008, 07:53 PM
I still think the world is coming to an end, one or another.
Just finished watching Addendum..
and I am sure, well, in my head, that the world is coming to an end. Or, in other words, any hope for mankind to evolve is gone. People are already brainwashed too much. Even you, Trey, no offence, but you are already too brainwashed - you're in the army. Even though I really respect your brain capacity and ability to think analytically and critically, you're in the army - a major mass of units designed to kill people. And it does not matter what do you do there - paint their walls, shoot extremist heads or answer medical calls. You're the part of the machine, part of the scheme. Scheme constructed of small particles and few major gears.
Mankind is stuck in a cycle we ourselves created - we evolved, we made change, even though throughout those changes we made tons of mistakes, killed incredible amounts of people, destroyed our planet, but we made change. And now, in the position of highest level of our integration and capabilites, we are unable to make change - we became overproduced by our brain, by our wishes, by mass effect. We locked ourselves - our whole community with not being able to perceive change, to make a major change in the world. And for this I blame globalization.
Communities before us, separate different communities, I mean, were different. They had different ways of perceiving reality, matters, values. Different ideas rose from different regions, better or worse. And know we're all one pool of mankind, almost collided into multi-corporation fronts. We all think we have same ideas (which actually are injected to us by community pressure), we all feel irresponsible for what we've done, we are not willing to give our precious media filled lives for a better future. And now I do not believe in any better future for mankind - not with the attitude we have now.
And now that monetary system seems to be failing, no such ideas like Venus Project are going to be noticed - nobody will care. The world will drown deeper into depression, into wars, into slavery, into prejudice. Everybody will want to have a piece of this cake. It makes me sad, that the world has no hope. We would have had hope if anything had been done ages before. For example, if religion was simply denied and rejected. I am personally agnostic, and I despise any kind of religion, especially Christianity. It's a joke, a cruel joke, a TALE, in which almost all the world believes. Differences in beliefs, religions made the people misunderstand each other, the wars started, the tension, everything. The religion was a way to validate the primal need for killing. But human being is capable of letting that go. And we do not let that go, cause we are afraid of any other human being in the planet. We create guns to kill each other when we disagree. There is no dialogue. There is no dispute. There is only higher political power (which I despise as much as I despise religion) controlling us all, infecting us with false beliefs.
And one last thing, cause I could go over and over again with these thoughts, the Venus Project. Lets say the Project would be at least close to possible - many people reject it. For reasons they provide boredom. I do not believe in that. Our consciousness is clouded with false beliefs, we do not actually know what are we capable of, because we stopped evolving long before.
Damn, I'm angry about humanity in general.
i was actually beginning to feel down trodden today because of what is going on in america (which i have recently left behind to travel).
my mom is my life and i miss her so much already, she is basically the only family i have back home and i wish she would just leave the country and travel with me just so i know she would be alright... but your post has actually made me feel better because i know like you, i feel alone in all of the ideals and preservations of thought to reality...
i know im kinda sloppy with my message but thank you really... you are very bright man and never give up your creation, because that is all you, or i, or anyone can do is create love in art and share it with whoever shares the PASSION.
oh and hope is always absurd becuase we should have never hoped in the first place, it is just a "means to achieve an ends" and in life an "ends" is all tragedy and "non-belief".
ambition is the greatest folly of man.
yes, man, yes!
it's all good, much love expressed!
I think without creating or thinking and questioning things I wouldn't have any meaning in my life at all. I don't buy the typical monotonic everyday bullshit most of people do. I don't even need those things.
And I am sick of the blind people not willing to open their eyes.
By the way, totally offtopic, wither-I, I always wondered what your name is. So, what is your name?
kyle :)
and yourself?
Darius :)
nice to meet you, after all, ha :)
yup
one of these days im actually going to have enough time to properly respond to you. It's just taking a while to settle in. I'm sure you understand
I know. I knew while writting you're going to reply in a nice way, so
yeah, I know.
I am always nice and polite
yeah
yeah indeed
right
its gona get much worse before it gets better
Quote from: Variable on Oct 23, 2008, 01:59 AM
yup
one of these days im actually going to have enough time to properly respond to you. It's just taking a while to settle in. I'm sure you understand
still waiting
yeah yeah tonight. I'm about to go back to work. I kind of forgot about this.
Quote from: lostpilot on Oct 17, 2008, 07:53 PM
I still think the world is coming to an end, one or another.
Just finished watching Addendum..
and I am sure, well, in my head, that the world is coming to an end. Or, in other words, any hope for mankind to evolve is gone. People are already brainwashed too much. Even you, Trey, no offence, but you are already too brainwashed - you're in the army. Even though I really respect your brain capacity and ability to think analytically and critically, you're in the army - a major mass of units designed to kill people. And it does not matter what do you do there - paint their walls, shoot extremist heads or answer medical calls. You're the part of the machine, part of the scheme. Scheme constructed of small particles and few major gears.
Mankind is stuck in a cycle we ourselves created - we evolved, we made change, even though throughout those changes we made tons of mistakes, killed incredible amounts of people, destroyed our planet, but we made change. And now, in the position of highest level of our integration and capabilites, we are unable to make change - we became overproduced by our brain, by our wishes, by mass effect. We locked ourselves - our whole community with not being able to perceive change, to make a major change in the world. And for this I blame globalization.
Communities before us, separate different communities, I mean, were different. They had different ways of perceiving reality, matters, values. Different ideas rose from different regions, better or worse. And know we're all one pool of mankind, almost collided into multi-corporation fronts. We all think we have same ideas (which actually are injected to us by community pressure), we all feel irresponsible for what we've done, we are not willing to give our precious media filled lives for a better future. And now I do not believe in any better future for mankind - not with the attitude we have now.
And now that monetary system seems to be failing, no such ideas like Venus Project are going to be noticed - nobody will care. The world will drown deeper into depression, into wars, into slavery, into prejudice. Everybody will want to have a piece of this cake. It makes me sad, that the world has no hope. We would have had hope if anything had been done ages before. For example, if religion was simply denied and rejected. I am personally agnostic, and I despise any kind of religion, especially Christianity. It's a joke, a cruel joke, a TALE, in which almost all the world believes. Differences in beliefs, religions made the people misunderstand each other, the wars started, the tension, everything. The religion was a way to validate the primal need for killing. But human being is capable of letting that go. And we do not let that go, cause we are afraid of any other human being in the planet. We create guns to kill each other when we disagree. There is no dialogue. There is no dispute. There is only higher political power (which I despise as much as I despise religion) controlling us all, infecting us with false beliefs.
And one last thing, cause I could go over and over again with these thoughts, the Venus Project. Lets say the Project would be at least close to possible - many people reject it. For reasons they provide boredom. I do not believe in that. Our consciousness is clouded with false beliefs, we do not actually know what are we capable of, because we stopped evolving long before.
Damn, I'm angry about humanity in general.
Ok, so its about time I respond to this. Sorry it took me so long. I had to wave my flag for 30 days straight in order to gain my nationalism back after reading this ;)
Look. I know that after watching a video like this and really contemplating the depths of the evil capabilities of humanity, life can look pretty gloom. But this is simply one of the many schools of thought out there. I think you should dig a bit deeper into some of the philosophers like John Locke and Voltaire before you go ahead and make a total judgement on the world.
But Ill just start with a defense of my military service, then we can carry on the conversation from there.
I am in the military ( specifically the Navy, even more specifically the Fleet Marine Force ) But this does not in any way make me brain washed. The US military is a machine. One of the Jobs of the military is to kill other people. However, if this machine is used properly, most people would be ok with the circumstances in which this killing happens. Lets dig a bit deeper into it.
We need government. Why? To provide us freedom under law. How do laws provide us freedom? Well it has been argued ( and widely accepted ) that if man is 100% free, he will be in a constant state of war. You and I are not 100% free. Beyond all the bull shit laws of our countries, at the roots of the constitutions of our countries, we are still not 100% free. I can't rape you, I cant murder you, can't assault you, steal your property ect ect. These are freedoms that we as humans give up, in order to obtain peace. It is called ( and look this up ) a
social contract. We tell the government that we will give up our freedom to rape and murder. As long as they make sure we are not raped or murdered. Therefore we no longer have to be in a constant state of war.
However, something has to protect this right? Police. Police are great ( if they are used properly ) They protect property and life. The right to raise a military was one of the only rights the founding fathers of America gave the Federal government. They knew that if they gave the government too much power, we would lose our freedoms ( so fuck all of you democrats who bitch about not being able to smoke inside ) They knew that the main responsibility of a Government was to protect its citizens rights under this social contract. Other wise, who is to stop another country from coming over and taking those rights away from us?
So yes, I am in the military. I volunteered for the military. Not because I believe in pre emptive war or killing. I believe in a military who stays and home and defends the homeland against attack. However, I don't always get my way. But I still believe in the American Revolution. I still believe in the American constitution. And I still believe in the social contract that gives freedom and liberty to the people. And I will defend it. If its fuck up, I will do what I can to un fuck it through the political process ( Gregory 2032 ;) )
So yes, I am in the military. I am a trigger puller as well as a medic. I have done both jobs for my country. But I also understand that without these machines, there would be even more war. You can't tell me that you can logically imagine a world without governments living in peace and harmony. It it illogical if you take into account human behavior. MANY brilliant men before you and these clowns at the Venus project have contemplated and determined it. I would honestly say that to me, you seem to have been more brainwashed by that video than I ever have by the military.
And before you totally give up on humanity all together. You need to realize how far humanity has come over the centuries. We used to go to war just because. Britain would be like ....."I'm bored.....fuck, the French are probably having a fun gay ass party right now. Fuck them" and boom, a war starts. WW1 was pretty much nothing but a power struggle and land dispute between cousins. And WW2 was just a continuation of that. Sure, today we have preemptive wars. Which are disgusting. But at least we have to have a reason these days. In another 100 years, the reason might even have to be true. You never know. Look at the progression in the civil rights movement over the past 100 years. In 20 years homosexuals might not even be discriminated against anymore. In 50 years, people might stop looking at themselves as racial groups and just see through the skin straight to the soul and realize we are all the same. The point is that it takes time. And not too many parts can move at once. But YOU have to keep them moving, or else YOU are the problem. Not me, and not the military. Because you can't expect anyone else to do it, or anyone else to care, if you don't.
Not to be disrespectful, trust me, I had dug deeper into philosophy, history, and all the other things you're talking about. So do not turn this in a way that I do not know things. I do know things. Actually I do not know another person that thinks as much as I do. Sometimes I think I will go insane just because of the tons of the ideas in my head.
So, yes, I absolutely agree that society and it's attributes (language, laws) are kept working just because of the Contract. And I am with you when talking that technically we need government to keep the Contract working - the only problem is that people are fucking self-centered and corrupt, so these governments become corrupt as well, taking decisions that are to advantage of their own mutual good. And in this way - I approve Police 100 percent, on terms that those people really do their job (what's really strange and unexpected to me is that even though crime level in Lithuania is really high, police really do their job well, I have met several really good cops, who were really nice in person too), so then they really have to control society. But what I do not like about the Contract.. in a way, nowadays, it is transformed, and every nation can claim that somebody is 'trying to take their rights'. People in these days tend not to do research, think or something, so instead they're listening to what their TVs are telling them to do (on this moment, I am sorry to maybe disrespect you or something, but in my opinion Americans are THE dumbest people in the world). And television spreads nicely shaped propaganda about terorrism (which, if to believe in Addendum does not exist and is caused by USA itself, that one case), about rights and so on. This makes housewives, that are absolutely bored with their life talk about these things and say - YES, WE NEED WAR, THEY TOOK OUR RIGHTS! And so they say these things and just go bake some pie again in their comfortable lives.
Wars are the most expensive Contracts out there. And in war, usually, whichever side of the conflict is always able to make their ways seem 'righteous', and now, in my opinion, USA does this everywhere. Even though usually those wars are profit driven, they're always claiming to 'stop the people from taking somebody elses rights away'. Bullcrap. In my pacifict opinion, none of the wars in the world ever were unavoidable.
And yes, I know that people start wars because of their personal interests, boredom and all the small things, so in this case I should call every Patron of every land an asshole.
By the way, I really do not think, that my judgement over the absurdity and hopelessness of humanity is shaped by this movie only. Every of my friends know that I have this belief for, like, forever. Cause I really honestly do not believe in any progress any more. When I took Cultural Antropologic Theories studies, I always had this thought, that we have stopped evolving in every way (in terms of "belief" evolving - we started out with Pantheism with Myths, then Monoteisim with Religions, and then Technology. And it really does not seem that there is something more to be discovered, a major leap and breakthrough in human consciousness).
Moreover, I must add, that I really adore the fact that you are a medic there.. this is better than just killing random people. You actually get to heal them, which is very important. Cheers.
Darius my man. You have broken out of your shell. I have to say that I agree with most of what you just said. Sorry if my tone was a bit condescending before, I think I took your original statement wrong.
I totally understand what you mean about your head exploding. Some people think I'm just an ass hole who talks shit online for shits and giggles. But I actually lose sleep over this shit. I think about it all day long. I preach to people I work with. I pass out Ron Paul's book for free to anyone who will take it. I really, honestly , care and believe. But for some reason people just DONT GET THE FUCKING POINT. Our generation seems to be really stupid.
Which brings me to your point about Americans being stupid. I agree. We are after all the people who voted in Bush twice, and then believed that Obama is actually about change ( even though I will say the rest of the world seems to have jumped on the Obama band wagon) You can quote George W. Bush from 1999 and almost match it word for word what Obama was saying a couple months ago. But people forget, because they are stupid, or maybe too distracted by halo 3 and the NFL. I really believe that Americans seem to be the dumbest collective group of people because they technically control ( through a "republic") the most wealth and power in the world. Therefore, it is of the most importance to hold us down and make us blind to the real workings of the world. But fuck that shit. There are still strong willed people in America. Strong wills + intelligence. The blinders just have to be taken off our eyes my friend. People like you and many others that I encountered online, plus other great Americans like Ron Paul, took the blinders off of my eyes. There will be a movement in America, all things take time though my friend. There is a reason that Thomas Jefferson believed in regular revolution. Today that reason is more clear to me than ever. But in the tradition of great men like Gandhi and MLK, we will lead a peaceful revolution. Because while Jefferson was right, these men enhanced his idea and showed us a better way to do business. And we are proud to follow in their foot steps.
I understand what you are saying about human evolution and how it has seemed to have stopped. If not regressed in some way. I have said that 100 times. But honestly, when you look at it. Society is still progressing. That is hopeful. Maybe humans were always this stupid, and the stories of our forefathers are just overblown. I sure as shit hope so. Because I know that I no where near stand up to the caliber of how I view of the founding fathers of America. And I care more about these issues that anyone I know. I just think that people lack inspiration. Look at how much blind hope Obama got for no other reason that a catchy slogan. If someone was able to channel that energy though an actual educated and righteous campaign, holy shit. If someone stood on the national stage with the clout of Obama and spoke of Eisenhower's word about pre emptive war, Jefferson's words about central banks, Truly unregulated free trade, a non fiat monetary system........dude, just real, genuine conservatism or "classical liberalism" OMFG. It would be amazing. I am determined to make that happen in my lifetime.
Say what you will about the military. But I am telling you right now. 100% honesty. That I have to say, of all people, it was certain US Marines that opened my mind to these ideas. To think outside of the box. I really believe that our experiences in combat gives us a perspective on the world that only a few % of the populations can see. Sometimes, to me, it seems that those of us who have lived the closest in the dirt, the closest to death, and the closest to the spear head of US foreign policy, are the ones who truly understand why things must change. I am so disturbed every time I hear about Afghans being killed. Thinking about my friends, my brothers, and their families being bombed and killed for the sake of democracy........I don't even know what to say........I guess just thank god that no pictures or names hit the US news. Because I know and love too many Afghans.
You seem to have a really good head on your shoulders. I just want to encourage you to always stand up for your beliefs and make them known. I want to encourage you to make a difference. No matter how big or small, make a difference. Because if you don't, who will? The only way that anything is going to change, is if we get enough people to make a revolution. So....................
I will absolutely reply to this post later, Trey!
lol
well, actually I thought there is not much to reply here after all!
I'm glad we're both thinking!
Yeah, the thinking never stops. It can be a real pain in the ass sometimes. At times I think I am incapable of just turning off my brain and staring at a video game or sports or whatever. But then, porn comes on ;)
Seriously though. If you really do believe that the world it totally jacked up. I hope you act. Try to impact your community. I'm sure Ireland could use help too.
But I do ( for the 1,001 time ) want to say that I really am disappointed in the stereotypes that surround service members. We are a pretty large group of people, you can't judge us all from one or two of the idiots that you have met. And for sure we can't be judged by our depiction in Hollywood. They do a beyond terrible job of accurately depicting what it is like to be in the military. I have been surrounded by some ridiculously intelligent and free thinking people in the military. And lets be honest here, I don't think I'm particularly stupid. For whatever reason we all signed up. There wasn't a single one of us who though we were going to Afghanistan to fight for America, freedom, or democracy. It's probably a strange thing to try and understand.....but yeah, we knew what was going on. So rest at ease. There is not a mass of hundreds of thousands of men and women with guns who are brainwashed into following an expectative order to the death. We still have our brains.
Quote from: Variable on Nov 14, 2008, 11:16 PM
So rest at ease. There is not a mass of hundreds of thousands of men and women with guns who are brainwashed into following an expectative order to the death. We still have our brains.
I wish I could believe you... Hopefully you're right...
Do I honestly seem brainwashed to you?
Some rare times, yeah
Quote from: Variable on Nov 15, 2008, 06:13 AM
Do I honestly seem brainwashed to you?
I think you're definitely able to think on your own, but I'm definitely not sure that's the case for everyone in the military.
I mean, it's pretty much a known fact that most of the people entering the military do it cause they're too dumb to do anything else.
I'm obviously not talking about everyone, and it definitely depends on the "assignment' or "role" or whatever you call that of the guy.
But the basic "trooper" (or whatever you call that) is definitely not hired because of his cleverness and ability to think back what he's asked...
I disagree. Most of the guys I work with are very intelligent. You have to take poverty into account. A lot of people join the military because they need a stable job, money for college, family tradition, a belief in service, they seek adventure. There are a lot of reasons becides an alternative to failure. But I think the #1 being poverty. Just because you are poor doesn't make you stupid ( I know you didnt say that, I'm just saying ) I think that is just a really misguided stereotype that the media ( mainly movies ) have placed in peoples minds. Not to mention that their are a shit ton of officers in the military. All of them with college education. Obviously some people join as an alternative to failure. But a lot of them get weeded out. Or don't make rank to be in a position that matters
I have got so many people to watch the Zeitgeist movies but they just don't care. People seem to be happy or maybe a better word, content in their own world regardless if they know that they are in fact slaves to the dollar or not. Sometimes I preach ideas discussed in the movies to friends and family and they just look at me like I'm insane. Ironic really...
It was funny my brother who is in Mosul Iraq right now showed me this clip of him and the other medics getting their co worker to eat a doggy treat for 5 bucks, the fucker really did it too, that was harsh watching him take it down, he was gaggin' and everything.
My friend joined the army because her life was a mess. She said she needed "structure" to pull shit together... and college money.
and how do you feel about that?
It's her life I guess...but I get it. She got into some really bad shit (drugs) so I guess it could be like a rehab type thing. Last I heard she liked it at basic.
I think army can easily put one's life in control.
Just my guess.. I guess I'm right, Trey, am I not? :)
It just depends on what the person wants. I have seen plenty of people fuck up their lives in the military. It is a good way for people who genuinely want to do good in life, but lack the motivation, to get on the right path. You defiantly have a hand pushing you. It is no longer your choice to be inactive. You will either do it, or suffer worse than if you just performed the task. So if she is just trying to get someone to force her to do what she wanted to do, then its a good deal. But if she decides that she hates being told what to do and just wants to tell everyone to fuck off, then her life is going to suck, and be worse for joining the military.
So its kind of funny that this topic got bumped. Because lately I have been watching A LOT of Zeitgeist. Its the new craze on base. But as I was watching these movies a few times, some things did not seem to add up right. Plus I'm the kind of person that never accepts anything as truth, it has to be proven to me. So I started doing some research of my own. I started with religion as it is part 1 of the first Zeitgeist movie. I VERY quickly found out that Zeitgeist had its story all fucked up. Like, not even close.
Well as I moved past Horus to try and look at some other Gods to check out their story I found this web site http://www.conspiracyscience.com/ (http://www.conspiracyscience.com/) This guy pretty much claims that he completely debunked the first zeitgeist movie + the 911 theories. Also that he has debunked pt. 1 of addendum, but has not had time yet to finish the rest of the film.
I have not read everything on this site. Nor have I checked all of his sources to make sure he is not full of shit. But just from how blatantly wrong Peter Joseph was about religion based on my own research( probably because he was intentionally lying ) I pretty much don't trust the rest of the Zeitgeist movies until I can find some reason to believe them again. I will say though that Edward Winston gives himself too much credit. He seems to think that if he can't prove that Peter Joseph is wrong, a sarcastic comment is proof enough.
Check it out guys, I think it will be worth your time.
The other research that I did besides Religion was on the Federal Reserve. I will put this very basic, and very simple for the sake of time and the varied education we all have on economics here. The federal reserve DOES NOT hold the U.S. government in debt. They only attribute to about 7% of the National debt annually. Then they rebate that debt back to the treasure department every year. The FED makes NO MONEY from the federal government. They allow smaller banks to loan out money to people like you and I, then we pay interest, and that is where Bank profit comes from. Not the federal government. This allows the federal government to keep taxes lower. So it is actually a good thing. ( or so a lot of people would say )
Okay so this movie was AWESOME..but for a movie... very very influential..but i did notice a flaw..a big one at that...in the first part
bout the hindu god Krishna...everything about him was absolutely wrong except for the fact that he apparently performed some miracles. He was born 3000odd bc. and his birthdate is july/august (depending on the hindu calender) so all that was ballcrap. Another thing: The Vedas...which are the ancient hindu text date back to over 5000B.C..all the stuff in the first part was after that...me and my mum were like "oh they probably havent explored that so theyre talking of what they know" well..then i looked at this site ^^^conspiracyscience.com and alot of it fits...so im a bit confused..
I think everything thats wrong about the military is wrong on the whole..not as per each individual in the unit. It would be absolutely stupid so talk about variable or anyone he knows coz what should concern us is the WHOLE concept and the acts they perform and whether they are in alliance with what we believe as humans not americans or afghans or brits or french.
The 9/11 shit has really been talked about alot...We'll its over and WHOEVER did it needs to go down but until somone can PROVE something substantial that can be acted upon all of it is just frustrated opinions..and thats it.
Money has always irked me..and one thing this movie has done is create a good solid hate for it because all of us knows it cannot provide any true happiness if one needs more of it. Anything with a vicious cycle. For me its just an ugly tool. like an infected foot that you need to walk on.
Finally i think that even tho some facts were wrong..the basic idea of the movie came out well..about being a concious aware human and not taking the life that we've immersed ourselves in too seriously because we made it and theres duality in everything..so to basically just use whatevers given as a tool and not have your life depend on it and while youre doing that while respecting the undisputable things like nature, love, art, soul, limitless perceptions, healing, honesty, the environment, music and such.
Zeitgeist is certainly counter culture propaganda as it is designed to shock the viewer and create emotional responses, which are not something you should have if you want to really get to the heart of a matter. A 2 hour film of such scope can't do anything but create an ignorant awareness. It takes many more library hours of hard study and a few written pieces to really get a grasp on these issues, because they are very complicated.
The truth is, is that most people will not however, use the movie as a mere starting point...they will watch it, possibly believe it and go around quoting it as a definitive source. This is really really bad because as i said, the movie is only good in sofar as it raises some topics and tries to get them out to the audience so that they care. Not care to make the movie the bible but just to watch it, take notice of some of the things talked about and hopefully become more aware of the con game which is the financial system and be motivated to read further.
Zeitgeist for me is good as it led me to explore new ideas which I never would have ever thought of had I not seen the movie. But it quickly becomes clear that the common things we take for granted in the nature of money are very hollow. This is what completely fascinated me. I had never thought of money in those terms before.
Now when i think of all the stuff I've learnt and read, Zeitgeist is just something which got me into them...its just the glib friend who talked loudly about something at a dinner which most would quote and tell their mates to fill the air...but others might think about the root of what was said and use that to then go on and read credible academic publications. This is what we all must do. Merely watching the film is not enough.
everything in the films is wrong. everybody knows that 9/11 was perpitrated by the masons in affilation with the shriners, just like JFK, UFOs, the hindenburg and whales. sheez, learn some facts people
Quote from: Starz on Mar 03, 2009, 11:24 AM
Zeitgeist is certainly counter culture propaganda as it is designed to shock the viewer and create emotional responses, which are not something you should have if you want to really get to the heart of a matter. A 2 hour film of such scope can't do anything but create an ignorant awareness. It takes many more library hours of hard study and a few written pieces to really get a grasp on these issues, because they are very complicated.
The truth is, is that most people will not however, use the movie as a mere starting point...they will watch it, possibly believe it and go around quoting it as a definitive source. This is really really bad because as i said, the movie is only good in sofar as it raises some topics and tries to get them out to the audience so that they care. Not care to make the movie the bible but just to watch it, take notice of some of the things talked about and hopefully become more aware of the con game which is the financial system and be motivated to read further.
Zeitgeist for me is good as it led me to explore new ideas which I never would have ever thought of had I not seen the movie. But it quickly becomes clear that the common things we take for granted in the nature of money are very hollow. This is what completely fascinated me. I had never thought of money in those terms before.
Now when i think of all the stuff I've learnt and read, Zeitgeist is just something which got me into them...its just the glib friend who talked loudly about something at a dinner which most would quote and tell their mates to fill the air...but others might think about the root of what was said and use that to then go on and read credible academic publications. This is what we all must do. Merely watching the film is not enough.
Perfectly stated.
Quote from: goldpony on Mar 03, 2009, 06:04 PM
everything in the films is wrong. everybody knows that 9/11 was perpitrated by the masons in affilation with the shriners, just like JFK, UFOs, the hindenburg and whales. sheez, learn some facts people
This statement ( as Josh so eloquently stated,) is about as accurate as both of the films
Look. I really appreciate the last couple post a lot. Because they show a "glass half full" perspective of the subject. But lets be honest here people. These films never, ever, not even for a second, intended to be taken as anything but 100% the truth. But they are so false, thats its disturbing. The ballot about religion is so far off that Cinderella seems to be more factual. And the other most talked about subject...money, currency, and the economy. This ass hole has it so wrong that even a freshman on his first day of macroeconomics could tear these "facts" apart. Because in no way what so ever does the federal reserve hold the US government in debt. But you have to have an understanding of economics, before you can realize that the creators of this films are blatantly and purposefully lying to you.
I'm all for expanding your mind and thought processes. I totally believe in questioning and challenging the system around you. But to even consider the rants of some ass hole who purposefully lies to you, just because you want it to be true. Is ludicrous. Educate
yourselves people. Because you truly cant trust anyone but yourself.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3932487043163636261
zeitgeist is nonsense. nothing bad will happen in 2012. there is not going to be a new world order etc etc
Haha....he mentions nothing about 2012 and have you seen the news lately? These fucking elitists arent't hiding it anymore. Gordon Brown keeps calling for a new world order and a global currency. They started saying it out loud in the news around the end of October...or November. Anyways, watch this...
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...there's this other video that shows more current outings of the NWO, but I lost it..have to do some digging.
Oh and the creator of Zeitgeist has recently stated that he has changed his mind on 9/11 being an inside job. He just used that part of the movie to lure in the truthers into learning about his new age Utopian, bullshit society called the Venus Project.
Hey jerry. I was trying to find where Peter Joseph said that. can you link it to me?
Here is another article, from earlier today, on the CNN website:
Analysis: Crisis may lead to new world order
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/04/01/oakley.summit/index.html
And I'll definately try to find that quote again...give me some time.
Yeah I would really appreciate it.
The whole Venus project has some real good philosophical parts to it. But I'm still not sold that its possible.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/nyregion/17zeitgeist.html?_r=1
"The former may be most famous for alleging that the attacks of Sept. 11 were an 'inside job' perpetrated by a power-hungry government on its witless population, a point of view that Mr. Joseph said he has recently 'moved away from.'"
Hmmm...I can't find the whole quote, but this article will suffice.
Thanks man
Mind blowing.
lolconspiracies
Why would this thread get bumped? I guess there was an even newer Zeitgeist released since it was made.
Quote from: Variable on Jun 21, 2011, 05:49 AM
Why would this thread get bumped? I guess there was an even newer Zeitgeist released since it was made.
I watched it, thought it was mind blowing. Simple as.
the 3rd one? Or is it actually the 4th one but I think they call it the 3rd one? Where they start with talking about people being products of their environments and shit? Is that the one you're talking about?
Which ever one jerry curls posted first in this thread. Would watching the others be a good idea or are the same points made again?
Oh, uh....... yeah I guess they are worth watching. They are at least entertaining if you like this kind of thing. Be warned though, the first Zeitgeist is riddled with inaccuracies. I can't remember everything from the 2nd ( the one you watched ) but I do remember that he got some of the stuff about money wrong. He gets the basic idea across accurately enough, it was just some of the stuff about debt that was wrong. The FED doesn't hold the US Government in debt, at least not in the way he explains it. And money does not = debt. It is supposed to equal the value of all goods and services within an economy.
Anyways though, its much too complicated to really get into. Just do your own research, using academic sources. That's really the only way that you can separate the facts from the bull shit. The 1st movie talks about religion, 911, money, war profiteering, and a sort of brief mention about brain washing people into "the American way"
The 3rd was really just a promo for the Venus Project where he pretty much said that everything in the previous movies doesn't really matter, and we should be focusing on creating a society like the Venus Project instead.
The 4th, most recent movie, is a bit different. I can't even remember all of it. It's based more in sociology and how humans are products of their environment. Making the point that if we changed the environment to something better, humans would act in a different way. Possibly rooting out things like greed and selfishness. I also remember a portion about "pre programmed responses" That is actually pretty worth watching. It gives you a perspective when you go out and talk to people or watch the news, then notice people just saying things because they heard them before, or were told they were supposed to believe these things, even though they have no idea what it means. I think the whole film is about 2 1/2 hours long.
That's about the best abbreviated summary I can give you.
The one that you seem to think is a third one is actually just half of the second one.
But yeah, the most recent one was pretty good, actually.
I just call it the third for the sake of simplicity. It almost seemed more like a summary of Addendum with an emphasis on the Venus Project.
Alright kiddos, if you wanna learn a little about this Leftist garbage and also get a few LOLs (at least trey will), check out this pretty long thread about this very topic.
http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/17833.aspx (http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/17833.aspx)
Helluva lot of smart people in that place.
I think the most interesting thing about this movement is how it just exemplifies how socialism just will not die. It's pretty much just the supercomputer equivalent (rather than omnipotent, all-knowing human leader) of the socialist doctrine: that any one being can at any time know exactly how resources must be distributed. For that, you don't just need to know patterns of the past, but also be able to guess how humans will act in the future. It's just plain retarded and impossible on its face.
OH, but I KNOW how all resources must be distributed. Give me the keys to the world and I will TOTALLY bring peace and prosperity to everyone.
BTW, buy my DVD bitch.