So I was at work today. And stumbled upon a copy of Ron Paul's The Revolution that belonged to an unsuspecting co-worker that I coerced into my ridiculous 3rd party ways( Even though I should remind you all that Ron Paul was running as a republican, and suspended his campaign after McCain got the nomination). Then, I turned around and looked at the office copy machine. I then had a eureka moment. I took out the book and thumbed to the spot where DR. Paul talks about health care, as I have been promising to type and copy it from the book over a week now. I took the book, and scanned it, then sent it to my work computer and put it on a thumb drive. Brilliant, I know. So here it is. It doesn't start right off the bat with Health care. As you can see from the top, he is speaking about economic freedom in this chapter. But I think going ahead and starting from this part is a nice introduction into his point with health care. It's only like an extra paragraph....... or 2 or 3 or 4
Anyone who want's to claim that health care is actually important to them, or that they are informed about the issues, should read this or else you are full of shit.
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Ok, he makes some strong points. I don't know what else to say, my initial belief is that that type of system would never work again here in the states, but it did work half a century ago. Sadly, I just think corporations' greed would go ahead of the citizens' demands and well-being, honestly. Also from I've read and heard about Ron Paul, he doesn't even seem like a Republican. Are you sure he's not going to pull a Lieberman and switch parties, or a Jim Jeffords and be a republican-turned-Independent?
Bud. I would ask you if you know what the definition of a Republican is? Ron Paul is one of the only genuine republicans that I have ever seen in the US government since I have been alive. It is that belief system, that truly represents the Republican party, that is why I call myself a republican. I'm pretty sure that 99% of the population of America has no idea what the true difference between democrats and republicans are.
that's good. But yeah, basically I'd say it Clinton representing Democrats, Bush representing Republicans (a couple years ago). Today, it looks like Reagan is the "ideal" Republican. Which I still don't like.
But I must admit, a few things Ron Paul has said, makes perfect sense
you are so wrong about both. Seriously, google that shit and do some reading about the doctrinal policies of the parties. Bush is like the ANTI Republican to the T. He is everything a Republican is not supposed to be. Bush actually acts a lot more like a democrat than a republican. That is why the term "republicrats" has come about. The parties have moved away from their doctrines and have joined and just bicker of stupid issues. You cant even tell the difference between the parties anymore.
He does make A LOT of sense though. You should read the whole book though man. Obviously his plan for America makes a lot more sense when you read it cover to cover.
yes people, that is right. He doesn't just say he is going to change shit, then not tell you how. Doesn't just answer how he would bring about all these ideals and innovations to the white house. But not tell you what the ideals and innovations are. He wrote a whole book to tell you exactly how he would change America. Do voters really see no value in direct, precise speaking? Obama is so Abstract that he might as well say nothing at all. McCain....well.....thats self explanatory
LOL.....Ron Paul
ok.......
I'm just kiddang
I know it.
Hmmm. I should just go out and buy this book.
Quote from: devilinside on Oct 09, 2008, 03:14 PM
LOL.....Ron Paul
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win"
-Ghandi
What is his name funny? You know what.. I laugh at Obama whenever I hear him speak and all the sheep listen to him like he's the next JFK. Yeah right. Why don't these nominees actually talk/debate about what's important to THIS country and not being imperialistic, caring about other countries, spreading "democracy". There are people out there that actually care about this country, yet all you people want to hear about is "change" and "progress"
Watch this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEw0qKjP7hk
Exactly. But then the majority of people just don't understand third party candidates and I don't know why. I feel like most Americans have been taught to expect certain things from their candidates, things that are safe. Many people thought Ron Paul was making a mistake for running as a Republican because he didn't share Republican values, but in reality he was the only true Republican running. I find this all rather frustrating. If people want change, third party is the change necessary for this country.
well that's what you believe. i just happen to think obama is the right answer. that's the beauty of america.
its funny, cause cspan was replaying the 92 town hall debate before that last debate and it made me remember why i wanted to vote perot in 92 (if i could have voted). he actually made a lot of sense and had a plan, not unlike ron paul. did i agree with everything he said? no, but at least he made sensible points about policy (many of them applicable to today). i really wish america wasn't stuck in a two party cycle
I would've voted for Ron Paul if he had made it this far.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Oct 09, 2008, 07:52 PM
well that's what you believe. i just happen to think obama is the right answer. that's the beauty of america.
This is very true. However, the reason why people like myself and these gentlemen get frustrated, is because you think Obama is the best candidate when he has not even addressed 90% of the issues that these 3rd party candidates are trying to bring awareness to. If Obama would sit there and have a debate on these issues. Real issues, with real responses. Then you or who ever thought that he was still the best person. I would never say a word to you about it. But the fact is that these issues are not being raised or debated. They are important issues to a lot of us. I believe that they would be important issues to a lot more people if they were being talked about. This is why we might seem a bit fiery at times.
Quote from: defskull on Oct 09, 2008, 07:10 PM
Hmmm. I should just go out and buy this book.
yes sir, you do
Quote from: ImperfectCircle on Oct 09, 2008, 09:04 PM
I would've voted for Ron Paul if he had made it this far.
He did endorse someone to vote for in his absence you know.
Interesting...
BTW Bush and the rest of his party 20 years+ back haven't been "true" core Republicans, but Neocons (whatever that's supposed to mean).
In all reality no candidate is ever perfectly attached to the idealologies of their parties which pretty much discredits the system altogether. And George Washington said a party based election system would be the death of our nation.
In reference to the words of Dr. Paul-
This sounds great, but seems to rely heavily upon the good caring natures of doctors, which is not always the case. I can see how this regulation makes things harder for practices and I'm definitely against regulation period if it's not necessary, but I can't really picture this approach in our "modern" world. I mean, left alone, would these doctors be free to go crazy with fees, etc. If someone is seriously ill, paying it would no longer be a choice, but a necessity- and some people probably wouldn't have time to "shop around" the free market of docs after being injured.
Plus it seems like socialized medicine has been successful in places like London (or so I've heard/ read).
Not that I don't agree with what he says, it actually seems fairly simple on paper- especially compared to how complicated a socialized system would be to regulate. Just some points to think about.
Well I think his point is that there will more than likely not be just one doctor in town. They will be competing with each other to provide the best care at the cheapest price. This is how the "all powerful market" that people are starting to talk so much shit about, works. But it hasn't been able to properly work because of all the regulation placed on it in the name of special interest. But this is just for routine medical issues.
As far as people being really sick, needing emergency care. ERs in America already can't turn anybody away. They have to treat anyone. The civilian ER I used to work at got paid by 30% of the patients we saw. And that was a private hospital. But this is where insurance for everyone comes in. If we all start to use insurance for only emergencies ( as Dr. Paul is talking about ) then the price of insurance will be a lot lower. Affordable for almost anyone and everyone.
But you also have to put this all into perspective with his total plan. This is only one notch in his "economic freedom" plan. To try and evaluate it all by itself makes it more subject to scrutiny. In the nation he is trying to describe. Our monetary system and policy is much different. Regulation is much different. Free trade is much different ect ect. Though this he believes that all Americans will have more wealth, allowing everyone to be able to afford this cheaper health care. It just scares the shit out of people because they are so used to having big brother government as a safety net. Even though its just making everything worse.
He also brings up a very legitimate point about Military Medicine. I work in Navy Medicine, and used to work in civilian medicine, so I feel I can speak on this issue. He is right, the standard is very low in the military where health care is universal, compared to the civilian world where we have a semi free market of health care. Service members can come in any time, for anything. This leads to a lot of unnecessary care. People getting seen by a MD for a headache. People coming in to see a MD about sleep disorders even though they drink 8 red bulls a day. If people had to pay for their care, they would use common sense and wouldn't be clogging the system. But as I was saying, the quality of care is horrible. The training , the attitudes of the health care workers and providers is horrible ( due to the abuse of the system ) , the facilities themselves are below standards ( because there is no competition, plus we operate on a government regulated budget ), it's a lower standard of care all around. And as he said, this is all for the war fighters of America. How do you think you are going to be treated? And you do pay in the end, through taxes you will pay. I mean, sure it is true that in the military we all do get taken care of. It is nice. But, I would rather the military just provide me with insurance and allow me to go into a free market and pick a doctor that provides the standard of care that I want. There are a lot of disgruntled service members with military medicine. It is just so hard to get good care. Including me, and I fucking work in it.
i read all that, and i couldn't agree more. i just don't know how to feel right now, cuz we are in a crisis right now, and this election presents us an opportunity to fix it, and it's just gonna get worse. and everybody who is voting for a bipartisan candidate thinks they are making some great, different decision that's going to fix it, and they're just going to make it worse too.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Oct 09, 2008, 07:52 PM
well that's what you believe. i just happen to think obama is the right answer. that's the beauty of america.
i'm not trying to talk shit or anything, but it really seems like you're judging candidates based on feelings, the folly of this (and many previous) elections. fucking obama and his charisma.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Oct 14, 2008, 04:47 PM
i read all that, and i couldn't agree more. i just don't know how to feel right now, cuz we are in a crisis right now, and this election presents us an opportunity to fix it, and it's just gonna get worse. and everybody who is voting for a bipartisan candidate thinks they are making some great, different decision that's going to fix it, and they're just going to make it worse too.
I that we have probably had to opportunity to make a difference in the past too. This is just the first election where I am aware of a broader spectrum of political issues. Most of which are not being addressed by anyone but 3rd party candidates.
I feel you though. About your comment for people voting bipartisan. It is really frustrating for me. Because you don't want to sit there and force your beliefs down anybodies throat. I believe that people are allowed to disagree. It is inevitable, that's fine. The frustrating thing is how people flock to these people, like they are some messiah. But they do it for no apparent logical reason. I could swallow it a lot easier if I thought their fixation with the candidates was based on well rounded political research. But that just does not seem to be the case.
Two words: The media.
If all that the media is showing are the democrats and republicans then of course many people will only see Barack and McCain. No one is willing to take a risk. Many people vote blindly simply because a candidate is a part of the party they are affiliated with. Seems like a lot of people who feel they are conservative must be a repub and if you are liberal you must be a democrat. It's bullshit to just accept that one party will have certain views that oppose all the views of the opposite party. Republicans are pro life so Democrats are pro choice. But if a republican is pro choice then obviously he's a bad person. Why is he even a registered Republican?? Fuck these parties. Seriously.
Quote from: defskull on Oct 15, 2008, 05:01 PM
Two words: The media.
If all that the media is showing are the democrats and republicans then of course many people will only see Barack and McCain. No one is willing to take a risk. Many people vote blindly simply because a candidate is a part of the party they are affiliated with. Seems like a lot of people who feel they are conservative must be a repub and if you are liberal you must be a democrat. It's bullshit to just accept that one party will have certain views that oppose all the views of the opposite party. Republicans are pro life so Democrats are pro choice. But if a republican is pro choice then obviously he's a bad person. Why is he even a registered Republican?? Fuck these parties. Seriously.
Yep parties are completely irrelevant today. And they have been for quite sometime. It seems party affilliation is like belonging to an exclusive frat or sorority. It makes things simpler for people to just vote a straight ticket. They don't have to think about individual issues because to them (based on the limited options presented in the media) they relate to one more than the other and so on. It's actually a bit insulting to the American public that we are left with only two major candidates to choose from.
So I guess easy is the new American way. To semi-quote from Zeitgeist: as long as we have a cell phone that can make pancakes we don't want to rock the boat. Sad. And again the founders of our country were originally against this because it seperates the country too definitely. So everyone joins a team and blindly follows anything they say.
Quote from: defskull on Oct 15, 2008, 05:01 PM
Two words: The media.
If all that the media is showing are the democrats and republicans then of course many people will only see Barack and McCain. No one is willing to take a risk.
How is voting 3rd party risky? Why in the hell should that ever even be considered risky at all?
What I mean is people aren't willing to go out of their comfort zone and do some research. To many people Ralph Nader is unfamiliar. Why take a risk with someone the media shows almost nothing about.
That, and they have been convinced that the other party is evil and they would rather vote for the lesser of two evils just to keep this horribly evil Republican or Democrat out of office. Which of course is total bull shit.
To grossly over simplify it. Republicans are supposed to be a political party that believes in a very small federal government, tiny government spending, and states rights. The Democrats are supposed to be a political party who believes is a much larger and powerful central government. Pretty much, bigger government and more spending in order to improve the quality of life for American citizens. No where, in the definition of a Republican or Democrat does it talk about being liberal or conservative. No where in their doctrine does it talk about abortion , religious morals, progressive thinking...or whatever else people associate with these parties.
But what happened was that these parties pretty much merged with their ideas on how to govern the country. Probably largely due to large campaign contributions from very wealthy men. Probably a lot in part to things like central banking and other special interest. Anyways. They merged. So now, instead of debating the best way to govern the country. They try to make you feel like you are voting for ideals. "change" "country first" instead of " an end to imperialism " " No more central banks " "true free trade" " a monetary policy that makes sense" ect ect. Because they all agree on how to govern. So Republicans try to make you think that if you vote for them you are voting for the military, for patriotism, for morals, and for Jesus. Democrats try to make you think that if you vote for them you are voting for progression, the environment, civil right and and to poverty. They only do this because they need something to draw a base from. Republicans know they will get a large base of "social conservatives" and Democrats know they will get a large base of " progressive liberals" This way, they don't have to talk about how they are actually the same dam thing. Jokes on us.
Haha. Exactly. And 'republican' has become such a dirty word. Neocons have totally raped the republican party of the respect it used to have. It's rather unfortunate. What's worse is how unfortunate so many people are buying into it.
it all hurts me in my heart-place. let's take a stand.
Quote from: defskull on Oct 16, 2008, 01:55 AM
What I mean is people aren't willing to go out of their comfort zone and do some research. To many people Ralph Nader is unfamiliar. Why take a risk with someone the media shows almost nothing about.
And what I mean is that it shouldn't matter wether or not the media talks about said candidate. It should be (and is) more risky to vote for whoever the media IS talking about.
yes but the media is the utmost in attention grabbing as it takes much more effort to ignore the constant stream of political bullshit that plagues our collective television.
obama's gonna win because of mtv
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Oct 18, 2008, 01:07 AM
Quote from: defskull on Oct 16, 2008, 01:55 AM
What I mean is people aren't willing to go out of their comfort zone and do some research. To many people Ralph Nader is unfamiliar. Why take a risk with someone the media shows almost nothing about.
And what I mean is that it shouldn't matter wether or not the media talks about said candidate. It should be (and is) more risky to vote for whoever the media IS talking about.
Right. I agree. But most of America doesn't want to do some research on their own. They'd rather have the tv tell them everything the want to know.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Oct 18, 2008, 01:13 AM
obama's gonna win because of mtv
No shit. All this talk about young voters this year. Its because most young voters don't know a god dam thing. But they sure as shit are easy to influence.
I was looking at cars yesterday and the dude was from Iran. Been in the states a while but I was trying to spit practice some Dari with him since Farsi and Dari are close languages. Well so obviously he wants to know how I speak a Persian language and I tell him about going to Afghanistan and stuff. So we start talking about the war. Long story short dude says " oh its all about to be over soon. When Obama gets elected all the wars will be over and there will be peace again. He is going to sit down with every world leader and make peace and everything is going to be so good."
and he was dead serious. Had this like day dreaming smile on his face and was 100% convinced this was true. I was blown away. I was like " Um, I don't think thats quite true man. Obama even wants to go to war in Pakistan" and he was like "no no man. Its not like that. Everything will be peace. You will see." and I just left it at that. It's amazing how much people don't know.
you should need to take some form of test to make sure you know what the fuck you're talking about before you can vote. pie in the sky, i know, but it's not like people have learned anything from the last two elections besides "ooo bush republican, republican bad, republican eeevil der der der der," not knowing they are no less evil than the democrats, who just disguise their party-furthering antics as philanthropy.
But democrats are all about love and peace and prosperity for all. Or didn't you hear?
It's the stupid colonists fault. If we only they hadn't rebelled against the British, everything would be ok.
Fucking colon-ists, trying to make better lives for themselves. What assholes.
;D
i hate those dirty hippies
^ What are you talking about?
variable's comment on democrats
If I was American and Ron Paul was still running for office, I'd vote for him. If I had to choose between Obama and McCain, Obama all the way, because Obama proved you can still be an upstanding American citizen without being an overly patriotic flag worshipping asshole.
Obama and McCain aren't the only choices though.
Quote from: Variable on Oct 19, 2008, 04:18 PM
But democrats are all about love and peace and prosperity for all. Or didn't you hear?
yeah but i'm all about that too, but i'm more about achieving it through economic prosperity, not through socialism. we don't have the population density for that. but i know, i'm preachin to the choir.
Quote from: Variable on Oct 17, 2008, 12:12 AM
That, and they have been convinced that the other party is evil and they would rather vote for the lesser of two evils just to keep this horribly evil Republican or Democrat out of office. Which of course is total bull shit.
To grossly over simplify it. Republicans are supposed to be a political party that believes in a very small federal government, tiny government spending, and states rights. The Democrats are supposed to be a political party who believes is a much larger and powerful central government. Pretty much, bigger government and more spending in order to improve the quality of life for American citizens. No where, in the definition of a Republican or Democrat does it talk about being liberal or conservative. No where in their doctrine does it talk about abortion , religious morals, progressive thinking...or whatever else people associate with these parties.
But what happened was that these parties pretty much merged with their ideas on how to govern the country. Probably largely due to large campaign contributions from very wealthy men. Probably a lot in part to things like central banking and other special interest. Anyways. They merged. So now, instead of debating the best way to govern the country. They try to make you feel like you are voting for ideals. "change" "country first" instead of " an end to imperialism " " No more central banks " "true free trade" " a monetary policy that makes sense" ect ect. Because they all agree on how to govern. So Republicans try to make you think that if you vote for them you are voting for the military, for patriotism, for morals, and for Jesus. Democrats try to make you think that if you vote for them you are voting for progression, the environment, civil right and and to poverty. They only do this because they need something to draw a base from. Republicans know they will get a large base of "social conservatives" and Democrats know they will get a large base of " progressive liberals" This way, they don't have to talk about how they are actually the same dam thing. Jokes on us.
That is a very good simplistic break down of the parties. I am registered as an independent however I am admittedly left leaning... or at least that's what the TV tells me... What I mean is I can look at an issue research it, and make my own educated decision on it. Now in a perfect world that would be the end of it, I could just go on making my own decisions based on the knowledge I gather. But here is where the media comes in. They say, "Oh.. you're pro choice? Liberal. You want to drill in Alaska? Conservative. Free Health Care? Dem. Against gays marrying? Republican."
Someone listening to this then thinks hey.. I don't believe in global warming and I hate gays so I must be a "conservative" and wait... "conservative" means "republican" so now I must vote for John McCain.. or I love the environment and Will and Grace is my favorite show I must be a "liberal" and hence a "democrat" so Obama is my Savior. Now that the population in neatly catagorized into one of only TWO parties for however many millions of people in America they then pick their media outlets.. Dems to MSNBC & Bill Maher!!! Repubs to Fox News and Bill O'Reilly!!! Once here they then hear one sided views of the world that further pushes them together with their herd and further splits the 2 herds from each other. This, my friends, is the 2 party system driven by the media.
So now, instead of having multiple candidates debating meaningful issues, we get 2 people to choose from. All I can hope is that people do their homework and pick the candidate that best represents their concerns and beliefs.
So,I did early voting today. While I was there,I noticed there WAS a spot for Write In Cadidate. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-in) so you could in fact vote for Ron Paul.
I voted all Democrat,accept one Independent,and that was for County Commissioner.
Thought these were cute...and they totally didn't give out the stickers this year!!!!!!!!!!1 >:(
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What state did you vote in?
But there i no point in writing Ron Paul in. He is supporting another candidate that has his same views on how to lead this country [CHUCK BALDWIN].
^ exactly. Even though I would leave the booth with such a big smile if I was able to actually check his name
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Oct 23, 2008, 01:40 AM
But there i no point in writing Ron Paul in. He is supporting another candidate that has his same views on how to lead this country [CHUCK BALDWIN].
Maybe,but why not write in Ron Paul...it's not like him or Baldwin are gonna get it anyways. If you like RP...write in RP.
Quote from: bangbang240 on Oct 23, 2008, 01:02 AM
What state did you vote in?
Tennessee....good ole red state.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Oct 23, 2008, 01:40 AM
But there i no point in writing Ron Paul in. He is supporting another candidate that has his same views on how to lead this country [CHUCK BALDWIN].
Have you actually looked Chuck Baldwin up? I don't know if he's the best bet. Some of his views seem great, but others seem way too religion based in a way that blends the line of church and state.
That's why I'm voting Nader.
Writing in Ron Paul is just as useful as writing in Mickey Mouse. If you vote for Ron Paul, then it shows nothing. You vote for a third party candidate that is actually running and it's a vote against the Repubs and Democs and shows the country that third party should not be considered lightly. I know my vote essentially doesn't matter. It takes a vote away from McCain or Obama. But at least I can say I chose the candidate running for president with the most views akin to my own.
You are correct. If I made it seem like I was voting for him, sorry. I was just saying how if you were GOING to vote for RP, he has recommended you vote for Baldwin since he stated publicly he was going to support him and not Nader. ALTHOUGH RP also said that you shouldn't vote Rep. or Dem. at all and vote for any Third Party candidate.
Ever since the 1996 election I've been interested in voting for Nader. This will finally be my chance!
Since you were 8?? Dayum....lol That's pretty young to be thinkin about voting.
YEA
[THE SLAVERY OF AN ENTIRE PEOPLES]
...AND WATCH... when this guy fucks you all over by sending more kids to die in war, or an even worse answer to our "problems", by raising some unseen calamity to the fortune of "prosperity" you rely so sheepishly on... you will have no one to blame but yourself... its gonna happen you fucking watch it.
NOTHING IS GOING TO "CHANGE".
NOTHING WILL "PROGRESS"
for you and ALL... it will be the same war mongering global genocide and slavery you fail to witness when you fall "consciously" under the very regime.
OBAMA IS FIXED.
I'll SAY IT AGAIN......
OBAMA IS FIXEDQuote from: devilinside on Oct 22, 2008, 10:12 PM
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OK...are you posting under 2 names? Cause,what you wrote was under Nonesuch's name,then all of a sudden,you post and it's under yours and his is changed to "yea"....Odd.............
yeah because im using his laptop in the airport, and i forgot it was logged in under his name so i copied and pasted...
got a problem with that sukka??
If I do...whatcha gonna do...NUKKA!
Quote from: devilinside on Oct 24, 2008, 12:09 AM
Since you were 8?? Dayum....lol That's pretty young to be thinkin about voting.
I have always been interested in things that the other youngins weren't into.
Quote from: wither-I on Oct 24, 2008, 12:49 AM
[THE SLAVERY OF AN ENTIRE PEOPLES]
...AND WATCH... when this guy fucks you all over by sending more kids to die in war, or an even worse answer to our "problems", by raising some unseen calamity to the fortune of "prosperity" you rely so sheepishly on... you will have no one to blame but yourself... its gonna happen you fucking watch it.
NOTHING IS GOING TO "CHANGE".
NOTHING WILL "PROGRESS"
for you and ALL... it will be the same war mongering global genocide and slavery you fail to witness when you fall "consciously" under the very regime.
OBAMA IS FIXED.
I'll SAY IT AGAIN......
Exactly. Just a couple of days ago Joe Biden spoke at a fundraiser [hmmm...only speak the truth about this change to the people that give you their money? Why not TV or the debates?] Want to read some things
Joe Biden swore was going to happen?
-"It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy," ....
-"Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a
generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."
-"I promise you it will occur," Biden added, "As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it is going to happen."
He also said something like most Americans will not like these decisions Obama will make..yadda yadda.
Is he a psychic all of sudden? You guys really think all of this stuff just happens on accident. It is all planned out.
I SURE as hell can't wait for this "change" you guys are talking about. FUCK OBAMA.
Here is Joe speaking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOwb9l0DtRA
That's pretty cool though. My son is 9,and they have been talking about it at school and are having an "election" there to see who the kids pick. And without hearing anything I've ever said,he told me "I'm gonna vote for Obama,cause he seems like the right guy. The other one looks mean" ...hahah nice way to judge!
Quote from: devilinside on Oct 24, 2008, 01:57 AM
The other one looks mean" ...hahah nice way to judge!
thats how 90% of adults vote
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Oct 24, 2008, 01:31 AM
Quote from: devilinside on Oct 24, 2008, 12:09 AM
Since you were 8?? Dayum....lol That's pretty young to be thinkin about voting.
I have always been interested in things that the other youngins weren't into.
Quote from: wither-I on Oct 24, 2008, 12:49 AM
[THE SLAVERY OF AN ENTIRE PEOPLES]
...AND WATCH... when this guy fucks you all over by sending more kids to die in war, or an even worse answer to our "problems", by raising some unseen calamity to the fortune of "prosperity" you rely so sheepishly on... you will have no one to blame but yourself... its gonna happen you fucking watch it.
NOTHING IS GOING TO "CHANGE".
NOTHING WILL "PROGRESS"
for you and ALL... it will be the same war mongering global genocide and slavery you fail to witness when you fall "consciously" under the very regime.
OBAMA IS FIXED.
I'll SAY IT AGAIN......
Exactly. Just a couple of days ago Joe Biden spoke at a fundraiser [hmmm...only speak the truth about this change to the people that give you their money? Why not TV or the debates?] Want to read some things Joe Biden swore was going to happen?
-"It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy," ....
-"Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."
-"I promise you it will occur," Biden added, "As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it is going to happen."
He also said something like most Americans will not like these decisions Obama will make..yadda yadda.
Is he a psychic all of sudden? You guys really think all of this stuff just happens on accident. It is all planned out.
I SURE as hell can't wait for this "change" you guys are talking about. FUCK OBAMA.
Here is Joe speaking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOwb9l0DtRA
THIS is the exact reason i posted my rants this morning.
IM frankly fucking pissed off because ITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE'S FUCKING FACE and they ignore it anyway
90% of people in this ENTIRE world are COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BRAIN-WASHED TO NEAR EXTINCTION OF CONSCIOUSNESS.
THIS IS THE SADEST PERIOD IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY AND ONLY HINDSIGHT WILL GAWK SO
SPELLINGLY AT IT WITH HILARITY IN DISPOSE.
FOOLED.
FAIL.
sooo when is someone going to change the system and make it a multiple-party system?
It was at one point. I mean Teddy almost won under the Progressive Party nearly 100 years ago. How awesome is that? But that's only because he was such a large public figure, it's kind of like saying Bill Clinton will be running under his own made up party. That would get lots of attention just because he is a big name. Lame.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Oct 24, 2008, 04:31 AM
sooo when is someone going to change the system and make it a multiple-party system?
when I am old enough to run for office
it is a multi party system but the money trail has decided to pay for the winner, eliminating any system at all
check the main donors to both obama and mccain , they are the same
Check out how much money Obama has spent compared to McCain. Then you see the true system
Quote from: Variable on Nov 03, 2008, 01:17 AM
Check out how much money Obama has spent compared to McCain. Then you see the true system
Yeah that it takes more money for a black man to even run for president then it does for the children of Japheth.
once again Ross with the quick ignorance
Yes, the truth is funny.
Ignorance is not a synonym for funny.
That was your all time greatest post.
1 good post out of 10,000.
It's about time.
You should keep your posts down to sentances from now on too, stop filling up pages of propaganda, you aren't gonna start anything on this device, your KKK ain't goin' down on this WWW.
Yeah. Me and the KKK , totally the same thing.
He said it himself people. no need for I to reply.
And his ignore count does nothing but help that fact.
lol. It's kind of pathetic that you took the time to look up how many people ignore me. Is that even an option anymore? I'm pretty sure everyone who ignoring me has quit coming to the board about a year ago
LOL Well I'm Glad it makes you feel better LOL it's just so funny i know LOL because 6 still don't wanna read what you have to say LOL but you're still responding to me LOL and they're still listening to me LOL so I guess the war is over LOL
The most annoying thing is when I tell people I voted for Ralph Nader and people feel that I wasted my vote. I don't even know where to begin to explain to them the faults of the two party system, especially when they are so blindly following their party.
^ Totally know what you mean.
Went into my breakroom tonight. This guy is sitting with an Obama shirt and we start talking about who we voted for. So its my turn to say who I voted for and I say "Nader". He chuckled. I don't see why it's funny to vote for someone who wants to actually CHANGE things like the federal reserve, stop being imperialistic, cares about the environment.
Quote from: Jedidiah Solomon on Nov 05, 2008, 03:16 AM
LOL Well I'm Glad it makes you feel better LOL it's just so funny i know LOL because 6 still don't wanna read what you have to say LOL but you're still responding to me LOL and they're still listening to me LOL so I guess the war is over LOL
you have a post ignore era name dumb ass
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Nov 05, 2008, 05:28 AM
^ Totally know what you mean.
Went into my breakroom tonight. This guy is sitting with an Obama shirt and we start talking about who we voted for. So its my turn to say who I voted for and I say "Nader". He chuckled. I don't see why it's funny to vote for someone who wants to actually CHANGE things like the federal reserve, stop being imperialistic, cares about the environment.
It goes to show how ignorant people are. It doesn't sit well with me that the American people don't get to pick the Republican or Democrat candidates. Only a few elite in each party do. Then they tell us we have to vote for one of these two or else we are wasting our vote. Yeah, thats real choice right there. I totally wasted my vote by going outside of that system.
I am kind of glad that Obama won. Its the only way I see my vote actually really mattering. The GOP will more than likely start to try and figure out how it lost and how to get those votes back. So they are going to be forced to look at us "south park Republicans" or "Ron Paul Republicans" and how to get us to vote again. Hopefully this means paying more attention to important issues. Or even running a candidate like Ron Paul
Quote from: Variable on Nov 05, 2008, 02:11 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Nov 05, 2008, 05:28 AM
^ Totally know what you mean.
Went into my breakroom tonight. This guy is sitting with an Obama shirt and we start talking about who we voted for. So its my turn to say who I voted for and I say "Nader". He chuckled. I don't see why it's funny to vote for someone who wants to actually CHANGE things like the federal reserve, stop being imperialistic, cares about the environment.
It goes to show how ignorant people are. It doesn't sit well with me that the American people don't get to pick the Republican or Democrat candidates. Only a few elite in each party do. Then they tell us we have to vote for one of these two or else we are wasting our vote. Yeah, thats real choice right there. I totally wasted my vote by going outside of that system.
I am kind of glad that Obama won. Its the only way I see my vote actually really mattering. The GOP will more than likely start to try and figure out how it lost and how to get those votes back. So they are going to be forced to look at us "south park Republicans" or "Ron Paul Republicans" and how to get us to vote again. Hopefully this means paying more attention to important issues. Or even running a candidate like Ron Paul
Well put and good point.
Thanks man. Lets hope some real change happens within the GOP over the next 4 years. Dam, or if the Obama Administration totally tanks maybe even an Independent would have a shot at the White House. I know thats wishful thinking....but still.
does anyone have the breakdown for how the 3rd party candidates did?
52% - 46% Obama
so thats 2% or about 2.5 million people didnt vote democrat or republican
I want to see the actual results though. I havent been able to find them. Not that I have tried real hard either
(http://api.ning.com/files/ptD3Fl81XI82CX9PR*mjvgNK38tSs3ssvoLo4FpQjyC-pwGhBC4C7qcKyu7cMHGzJ*phrYEkxVGWAn25o0phFFHzagJa1P1D/VOTE.jpg?width=568&height=435)
Quote from: Variable on Nov 05, 2008, 02:07 PM
Quote from: Jedidiah Solomon on Nov 05, 2008, 03:16 AM
LOL Well I'm Glad it makes you feel better LOL it's just so funny i know LOL because 6 still don't wanna read what you have to say LOL but you're still responding to me LOL and they're still listening to me LOL so I guess the war is over LOL
you have a post ignore era name dumb ass
Nobody on this board gets as butt hurt as you, fuckin sailor, sore gaped hole!
No wonder you type and type and type, I can say what you wanna say in two sentances.
Haha fucking badass. Ron Paul still got almost 20 thousand votes.
Thought you'd like this Trey.
(http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/CelebsonCampaignTrail/Speidi26_502.jpg)
that guy there is everything that is wrong with half of america.
He's a total douche.
Quote from: devilinside on Nov 06, 2008, 05:47 PM
He's a total douche.
so is she. i really dont understand the fascination with these vacant eyed whores
I agree.
Quote from: goldpony on Nov 06, 2008, 06:38 PM
Quote from: devilinside on Nov 06, 2008, 05:47 PM
He's a total douche.
so is she. i really dont understand the fascination with these vacant eyed whores
well said, well said
haha wow, just when i thought that Spencer fuckhead couldn't get any worse, he's wearing a shirt like that.
seriously, fuck that douche. someone beat him up already!!!
oh, and bitchslap the ugly bitch while you're ahead.
douchebags.
Quote from: penguin in the desert on Nov 07, 2008, 02:24 PM
haha wow, just when i thought that Spencer fuckhead couldn't get any worse, he's wearing a shirt like that.
seriously, fuck that douche. someone beat him up already!!!
oh, and bitchslap the ugly bitch while you're ahead.
Hey...you're in the same city as them,they're social whores and shouldn't be too hard to find...you do it for us!!! haha
so that guy's someone famous? who exactly?
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,13643.msg541890.html#msg541890 (http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,13643.msg541890.html#msg541890)
;D
heh, I don't even own a tv.
fuck tv and the "stars" on it.
Quote from: devilinside on Nov 07, 2008, 11:22 PM
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,13643.msg541890.html#msg541890 (http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,13643.msg541890.html#msg541890)
;D
Figures he would make a topic about that show... gay.
Quote from: devilinside on Nov 06, 2008, 04:51 PM
Thought you'd like this Trey.
(http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/CelebsonCampaignTrail/Speidi26_502.jpg)
How many times do I have to tell you that I didn't support McCain or Palin before you hear me?
and that cant be real? It looks photoshop to me
Actually it's not photoshopped.
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b65306_heidi_spencer_rock_t-shirts_shotguns.html
And calm the fuck down Trey,I'm just giving you shit. After all,you're the one who made the McCain thread.
To talk about both sides. I said a million times that I wasn't voting for him or didn't support him. But every single time I talked shit about Obama you came back at me talking shit about republicans as if I supported them. I just didn't see the point in kicking a dog while he was down. Not to mention I don't know of any McCain supporters on this board. So talking shit about him would be pointless. I would get 10 post in a row of " ^ 5" or " + 1 " .
I'm not worked up though. I'm just trying to make it very clear that I'm not a Republican or a Democrat at the moment.
If I felt like it I could find a few post's you've made claiming to be a republican,but I'm not. I do believe Ron Paul is a republican too,isn't he? And you pretty much always talked trash about Obama,and that's ok. I didn't talk trash about Mccain,I just posted a pic.
i talk trash about McCain....
Quote from: devilinside on Nov 08, 2008, 02:17 AM
If I felt like it I could find a few post's you've made claiming to be a republican,but I'm not. I do believe Ron Paul is a republican too,isn't he? And you pretty much always talked trash about Obama,and that's ok. I didn't talk trash about Mccain,I just posted a pic.
I said " by definition I am a Republican" as in I am a federalist. I believe in small government. I believe in liberty and freedom. I don't think the government can solve all of my problems. If you listened to my criticism of the Republicans as much as you did to my criticism of Obama you would know that I have been saying that George Bush ( both of them ) and Ronald Reagan and so on are not true republicans. In fact the George W. Bush administration acted by definition as democrats. Increasing the size of government and government spending.
and why would I sit here trying to convince people that McCain was not their savior if there are no McCain supporters on this board? I talked plenty trash About McCain and the GOP as a whole to my fellow " conservative " service brethren. But its pointless to do here where everyone has a boner for Obama.
You have no clue about liberty and freedom, stop talking, just stop!
The amount of education it must have taken to get that thought about blows my mind Ross. You truly are a board treasure.
But its ok Ross. We will just Blame the War on Illiteracy, the Department of Education, and Pollution on your lack of brain activity. We are all still rooting that you pull through.
with jah and a big bong on his side, there's nothing he can't do.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/10/sanford.conservatives/index.html
word.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Nov 11, 2008, 05:47 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/10/sanford.conservatives/index.html
word.
Wow, what a breath of Fresh air. I'm starting to think that I may not single handedly have to save conservatism in America ;)
For all of you on here who seem to think that "Republican" and "conservative" are dirty words that represent George Bush, War, and Greed. You should read that. It's pretty short, pretty basic. But a great illustration of how conservatives are supposed to act.
Nobody acts how they are suppose to, republicans are always for greed and disgust and filth. They prove it everytime. No one has ever gone by the constitution or given true credit to who they stole their Ideals from, even less this land, oh yes it's goin' down, and if people think they are happy and don't care about those who don't have enough money to care then you will never find your redemption, we are all apart of this lifely situation, we are all equal, how you act, may save you, DON'T PUT YOUR TRUST IN THE MONEY PLAN>
I know I have talked to you about talking in absolutions before Ross. You are setting yourself up when you do that. Maybe not in your lifetime, But there have been some great Republican politicians.
That's not really the point though. The point is that some of us are trying to break free from all of these bull shit and totally irrelevant stereotypes that come along with the word " Republican " and " Conservative " . Some of us want those words to represent ways that a country is governed, not moral values ( or lack there of ) Please don't perpetuate this horrible cycle. It's ruining our government
And a side note, there have been more than plenty greedy and corrupt " Democrats " and " Liberals "
Quote from: Variable on Nov 12, 2008, 01:49 AM
I know I have talked to you about talking in absolutions before Ross. You are setting yourself up when you do that. Maybe not in your lifetime, But there have been some great Republican politicians.
That's not really the point though. The point is that some of us are trying to break free from all of these bull shit and totally irrelevant stereotypes that come along with the word " Republican " and " Conservative " . Some of us want those words to represent ways that a country is governed, not moral values ( or lack there of ) Please don't perpetuate this horrible cycle. It's ruining our government
And a side note, there have been more than plenty greedy and corrupt " Democrats " and " Liberals "
Both side is no good side, one is a little less dangerous than the other, yes.
So when we spot the divine light we just chill, cause we know that our vote in Heaven counts all day every day, that's all were hear about, freedom, true freedom, no illusion, lending a helpful hand to remind all the rest and give another chance. some say you'll never get a second chance, with the god of love, unlimited chances...
oh yes.
Divide and conquer. They want one group to hate the other group instead of focusing on the real issues. Ross has clearly shown it has worked.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Nov 12, 2008, 04:08 AM
Divide and conquer. They want one group to hate the other group instead of focusing on the real issues. Ross has clearly shown it has worked.
Yeah because I hate so much.
You're the one Top Rankin' buddy.
you ever seen the last supper with cameron diaz and those other people?
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Nov 12, 2008, 04:08 AM
Divide and conquer. They want one group to hate the other group instead of focusing on the real issues. Ross has clearly shown it has worked.
It is extremely obvious that "they" the republicrats are trying to divert public attention from the real issues.
There is relatively NO difference between Republicans and Democrats anymore (excepting Ron Paul who gets treated like a joke by his political peers for what?- being a real Republican). We pick sides based on false truths of a platform hoping that one day there will be an honest candidate that actually follows through. The honest truth is: a) All politicians, Democrat, Republican, Independent, Communist, fat, ugly, ect. are all out for one thing- to get re-elected and fullfill their own personal agendas while maintaining some sort of subjective record to make a worthless place in history. b) Corporations run this country through lovely people called lobbyists. They too have agendas but don't give a fuck about the history part, just the cash. c) The Constitution is now a rough draft for every lawmaker to revise and restate however he/she wishes. It's really just paper now. d)There is NO privacy.
If this seems a bit cynical or negative, that is what our country has become.
Companies take their private jets to ask for bailout money from Congress.
A politician in an Armani suit sympathizes with the poor average worker who just got laid off.
All of these acts make for great photo-opts, but don't hide the truth in the end, because a rousing speech, a one time stimulus charity check of 600 bucks, and a "green" car for every poltician in Washington, D.C. don't give the people who lost their jobs, the people who lost their homes, or anyone else any real shit help or hope in their country or their right to be treated equally.
There is a class system even though it goes unnamed. The people have to make the difference in this country-revolutionary or not, and reject this idea of having to belong to some "party" that has divided us all along. It would appear we're the only honest ones left.
My articulate grandfather put it best on the day of the inauguration of Bill Clinton:
"Same asshole. Different suit."
^^+1...or 5
Ron Paul Invites Rush Limbaugh To Debate On The Issues(http://eyesonthelies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/paulimbaugh.jpg)
Matt Jarfi
EyesOnTheLies. com
Former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul made a Tuesday evening appearance on MSNBC to discuss the recent ruckus caused by neoconservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh.
Over the weekend, Limbaugh stated at the Conservative Political Action Conference that he wanted Barack Obama's presidency to fail. Since then, the mainstream media has hailed Limbaugh as the "leader of the Republican Party" and has played numerous clips of neoconservative members within the Republican party agreeing that Limbaugh is indeed the leader of the party.
When pressed with question, "Do you want President Obama to fail?", Paul responded by saying "no" and affirmed that he wanted the president to be successful in accomplishing his goals but gave the explanation that he does not wish to see Obama's philosophies of big government, socialism, welfare, and foreign intervention to succeed.
The Texas Congressman followed by saying that
we dwell too much on the opinions of a talk radio host instead of dealing with the real issues. Paul even went as far as boldly challenging Rush Limbaugh on issues like the
civil liberties, the Federal Reserve, and foreign policy.
"I would ask him why doesn't he stand up more for civil liberties and why doesn't he explain why he supports the Patriot Act," Paul said. "I would much rather talk about why Rush Limbaugh doesn't support my position in looking into the Federal Reserve and being able to audit the Federal Reserve, now that is an important issue."
"He never said hardly boo against George Bush. He supported all that big spending.
Did he complain about George Bush? Did he complain about all those wars that were going on that cause us so much trouble? So that's the kind of issues that I want to talk about and I will be quite willing to challenge Rush Limbaugh on those issues."
Is Ron Paul challenging the entire Republican Party by calling out Limbaugh's neocon views? Maybe, but this could be a very good thing for the Republican Party. The fact that the Republican's have lost massively in the past two elections is the end result of the neocon's stranglehold on the party.
If the Republicans are to return to their conservative roots, now is the time for the leaders in the party who are in line with Limbaugh's views of foreign policy and civil liberties to be challenged on these same policies that have the party in search of their identity.
If the Republicans want to return to the era of Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, and true conservatism, than their views must be challenged.
Rush Limbaugh . . . Ron Paul has offered you a challenge.Will you step up to the plate?
If you think Rush Limbaugh should step up to the plate and challenge Ron Paul on the real issues than contact Rush Limbaugh.
Limbaugh's email addresses provided at RushLimbaugh.com:
ElRushbo@eibnet.com
webmaster@rushlimbaugh.com
Call Limbaugh during his radio show and challeng him on the air. His show is from 12 - 3PM EST. The call in number is 1-800-282-2882.
here it is on youtube
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god, david schuster is a douche.
In Missour "..supporters of presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr as "militia" influenced terroristsi..."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/secret-state-police-report-ron-paul-bob-barr-chuck-baldwin-libertarians-are-terrorists.html
lol. I dont know how I didn't see this sooner. So I clicked on that link jerry last posted. And they had pics of symbols that these "militias" might use. Take a look at the top left corner and tell me if it looks familiar. The funny part, is that I only rep that flag because of its marine corps history. It also just happens to be an official marine corps flag. Some people are so ignorant. I wish somehow I could take credit for getting that put on there.
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r313/MyOwnFur/militia.jpg)
Thought I'd give this long-dead topic a bump because I have only come to like Ron Paul more and more, he's had an immense influence on my worldview and thought process, and also because of this:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41)
And our economy has plenty of tanking left to do by 2012 so barring any shenanigans by the Republican Party, it'd end up being a shoe-in.
I would be SO happy. I doubt that it will actually happen. But man, I would be fucking happy.
I dunno man, I really can see things getting that bad when the bond bubble finally pops and the dollar is worthless. I mean there's definitely the possibility we'll descend into rampant socialism, but I'd like to hope that folks like us, the people at the von Mises institute, and the likes of Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Peter Schiff can get the message across before it really is too late. Very long term I'd say I'm bullish on the US economy, because while Americans have only gotten dumber and dumber, we're still so rich in capital that once (if it is allowed to happen) things are valued at the real and not nominal values and we (again a huge "if") can get our fiscal house in order that we will be able to start building things up again. And the fact that no matter how out to lunch we become, Europe is most likely going to be leaps and bounds ahead of us in that regard. So I know it's probably overly optimistic, but I still hope that once America is finally forced to get Austrian as fuck, we, as a people, might actually realize how full of shit the establishment is and take up the cause. And then we'll finally cure AIDS and figure out light speed travel and it'll be just like star trek.
Star trek indeed.
I think that if a mass disaster happened that everyone would just turn to the government even more and look to them to solve it all and keep them happy. And not in a free market government kind of way. They wouldn't want to hear a message about a self correcting market. They would want to hear the government say " Don't worry, we will save you all in no time!" and fuck up 30 times ( the new deal comes to mind ) before either figuring something out, or just mass war breaks out and we regain an economy by raping other countries for resources ( oil in the middle east comes to mind).
The public is truly just too uneducated on the subject to be able to witness a mass failure and be like "oh, those sound money guys were right. this proves it. I guess its time to be fiscally conservative again." I would bet that most Americans don't even know what the word fiscal means. Therefore it would be impossible for them to utter that sentence, and mean it ;)
Yeah, it's really hard to say. I have a really hard time being optimistic too, but the liberty movement is growing. And the Tea Party is actually having an effect on things, they pretty much got Rand the nomination and have Peter Schiff's back over any other candidate, so the election in 2010 is something to be hopeful about. But if that doesn't go the way we'd want it, I'm seriously considering emigrating, as much as that pains me, before all of the shit goes down. But you're right, as is shown in that other thread, people really aren't educated at all. And I also sadly think that you're right that everybody will turn to the government for help, but I dunno, by that time it's going to be so blatantly obvious that it all happened at the government's hand that people would have to be even dumber than they are to not realize it. Wouldn't be surprised, though.
And its not even unreasonable for people to turn to government in times of extreme crisis. That is kind of one of the terms of social contract theory. Its just that we can be assured that the wrong people will be running the government, therefore the wrong solutions will present.
Yeah, exactly. That's the thing, I don't even understand how people leaning towards Liberalism could even support the kinds of governments we have in the US and around the world. No wonder they do such a terrible job teaching about fascism and socialism in schools, this whole Democrat thing is becoming more and more clearly just a front for that kind of agenda.
Oh and one of my favorite quotes ever comes from Peter Schiff, being interviewed on national TV after the financial collapse about how he predicted it, and he said something to the effect of "it's not that I was so smart, it's that everybody else was so stupid." And I really think that's not only hilarious, but really true and illustrative about how ridiculously warped our principles have become. I can't even describe it, it's like people are in fantasy-land, and it's all induced by all of this government propaganda. Stepping back and looking at the situation and comparing it to earlier fascistic fiascoes is really trippy too, it just shows how absolutely out to lunch people can be. I surmise that towards the beginning of the Nazi movement in Germany or the fascist movement in Italy, people who defended the government were saying stuff like "oh how could you think that our government is anything like (their previous example of what many today would say was a horrible government movement i.e. Nazi Germany or fascist Italy), we're in a new age, our government is capable of doing all of these things around the world, they can save us, blah blah blah." And it just makes me think; I think that's why we never learn from history, people of every time just think that because of increases in technology, booms that have happened throughout history, that every time we are in a new age, one where somehow now government could possibly redistribute wealth, or benevolently control every aspect of life, or just help the indigent and impoverished. But it's actually the opposite. Now, with all of this new technology and ease of commerce and everything, it would be a more perfect time than any to have less and less government control, more free trade and all of that jazz.
Do you agree with this? Kind of a Ron Paul thing: that a strong national defense is a great thing obviously, but that the best way to destabilize shitty foreign regimes is by increasing free trade, but more with the people, and enriching the populations, rather than just throwing foreign aid money at their governments and/or nation building? I mean there's definitely a lot of nuance to the argument, but what do you think of it in general?
I'm sorry Corey, Trey will not be returning. He has been banned for observing and then stating his observations.
wait, what? are you shitting me?
I shit not, my friend.
Oh like Ive never been banned before ;) I knew my homies wouldn't stand for it. Thanks btw.
I guess now that means my lazy ass actually has to type something to contribute to the libertarian cause on SL.
Then DO it!! I promise I'll stroke your ego if and only if you return the favor.
I know. I have just been so unmotivated lately. I always feel like an ass hole when I look at those topics and I don't post anything. I feel you judging me :(
bahaha it's all good, just gotta get you some more energy drinks. Have you seen all the free shit they have on mises.org?
NO! I have not.
DEFINITELY check it out. I mean it's not even close to just articles and stuff, they have zillions of free books and every author has a podcast page with just an incredible amount of material on them. Here, check these guys out, I'm sure you know of most if not all of them already.
Joe Salerno
http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&ID=237 (http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&ID=237)
Tom Woods
http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&ID=424 (http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&ID=424)
Walter Block
http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&ID=443 (http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&ID=443)
Robert Murphy
http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&ID=380 (http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&ID=380)
Tom DeLorenzo
http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&ID=425 (http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&ID=425)
Ron Paul
http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&ID=392 (http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&ID=392)
I mean it just goes on and on and on. Definitely the greatest resource I've found out there. Oh and here's Peter Schiff's youtube channel, also chock full of great fuckin shit.
http://www.youtube.com/user/schiffreport?blend=1&ob=4 (http://www.youtube.com/user/schiffreport?blend=1&ob=4)
Now you have like infinite hours of stuff to distract yourself with.
I have actually taken advantage of a lot of their free stuff before. I used " What has government done to our money " as a reference for when my friend paid me to write her final for her. It was all free on there, good stuff.
yeah dude, when my gf was writing a paper on poverty for her writing class i hooked her up with a bunch of articles, and she had no idea what they were talking about haha. I revert back to my argument about the failure of our government school system. It's just more and more evident every day.
Maybe we should change this to the Ron Paul/Libertarian topic so we seem more esoteric haha.