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Title: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: theis on Jun 11, 2009, 02:33 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/rrpower/Shutter%20Island%20in%20Taunton/ShutterIslandPoster.jpg)

(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm299/jumpkaka/shutterislandteaser.jpg)

Just when you think Scorsese's done it all, he makes a horror movie.

Trailer: Shutter Island - Movie Trailers - iTunes (http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/shutterisland/#)

Fuck, this looks amazing!
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: bright lights, big city on Jun 11, 2009, 02:36 PM
oh man i seriously just saw this on another site a couple minutes ago. i cannot wait for this. Gone Baby Gone and Mystic River were both great flicks and the fact that this one's got Scorsese makes it potentially even better.

this and The Road are basically the 2 movies I'm looking forward to that could be Oscar-contenders this year.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: Crazylegs on Jun 11, 2009, 03:17 PM
looks promising. I'm gay for leo these days, he always ends up in good movies, may have something to do with the fact that so many of them are scorcese's films.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: wither-I on Jun 11, 2009, 05:57 PM
it may have to do with the fact that he is an brilliant acting talent .
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: Deftones-88-05-Deftones on Jun 11, 2009, 06:47 PM
Thats really awesome Im checking this out.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: Crazylegs on Jun 11, 2009, 07:17 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Jun 11, 2009, 05:57 PM
it may have to do with the fact that he is an brilliant acting talent .

that too.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: Mikey on Jun 13, 2009, 04:39 AM
fucking hell!! way to go marty!!!
this looks tiiiiiiiight!!!
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: tarkil on Jun 14, 2009, 06:19 AM
Wow, it looks awesome !!! Can't wait for this bad boy to drop !!
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: ben on Jul 07, 2009, 01:09 AM
Yea, this film has caught my interest for a while.  Should be a good time.  You can tell from his whole body of work that Martin loves indulging in the disturbing...it just took him a while to go all-out. 
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: Wax And Wane on Jul 17, 2009, 03:25 PM
I knew about this movie a while ago (Thanks IMDB) but had some doubts.... Then i saw the trailer. (Doubts gone) Looks fucking amazing! 
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: Jacob on Jul 17, 2009, 03:40 PM
looks pretty cool.

I fucking hate watching trailers though. they ruin so much. we already know the plot and at least one major plot twist by now.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: Deftones-88-05-Deftones on Aug 23, 2009, 04:34 AM
This fucking blows :(


"Shutter Island", the thriller mystery from Academy Award-winning director Martin Scorsese, is no longer among the Paramount Pictures' 2009 line-up. In a surprising move, the studio announced on Friday, August 21, that the theatrical release date of the movie has been pushed back from October 2, 2009 to February 19, 2010.

As speculations over the move built up, Paramount Pictures Chairman and CEO Brad Grey came up with an official statement. "Our 2009 slate was greenlit in a very different economic climate and as a result we must remain flexible and willing to recalibrate and adapt to a changing environment," so the studio topper reasoned.

"Leonardo DiCaprio is among the most talented actors working today, and Martin Scorsese is not just one of the world's most significant filmmakers, but also a personal friend," he continued explaining. "Following a highly successful 2009, we have every confidence that 'Shutter Island' is a great anchor to lead off our 2010 slate and the shift in date is the best decision for the film, the studio and ultimately Viacom."
With "Shutter Island" out of the 2009 slate, Paramount will only have one movie to be presented this fall. The studio will release Peter Jackson's "The Lovely Bones" on December 11. Paramount's decision to move "Shutter" prompted Fox Searchlight to immediately slid Drew Barrymore-directed film "Whip It!" to the October 2 slot.
Based on Dennis Lehane's 2003 novel, "Shutter Island" tells the story of two U.S. marshals, Teddy Daniels and Chuck Aule. The two are summoned to a remote and barren island off the cost of Massachusetts to investigate the mysterious disappearance of a murderess from the island's fortress-like hospital for the criminally insane.
The script was provided by "Alexander" screenwriter Laeta Kalogridis. In addition to Leonardo DiCaprio, the cast ensemble consist of Mark Ruffalo, Michelle Williams, Ben Kingsley, Emily Mortimer, Max von Sydow, Jackie Earle Haley and Patricia Clarkson.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: theis on Aug 23, 2009, 10:39 AM
Fuck, that sucks.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: bright lights, big city on Aug 23, 2009, 07:41 PM
what the fuck? I just saw the trailer again last night in front of Inglourious Basteds, and it said october. unbelieveable. Not that it really matters, but this also kills any Oscar chances it has for 2010. I just really don't get why you would move a project involving Lehane, Scorcese, and DiCaprio to the new year.

And to give Drew Barrymore their slot? just wow.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: Deft_16_Ones on Feb 22, 2010, 02:05 AM
Saw it last night and I tought it was pretty great tough my GF was a pain in the ass and hate it  >:(
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: bright lights, big city on Feb 22, 2010, 04:58 AM
does she normally like horror movies? because my special lady dislikes the horror, but i wanna drag her to this.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: defskull on Feb 22, 2010, 06:53 AM
It's not really that much of a horror movie.  Except for maybe 20 minutes, it's really not too scary.  Definitely more of a psychological thriller. 

This was a very entertaining movie.  Certainly not Scorcesse's best but it's still a hell of a lot better than what else is out there.  I was initially let down by the ending but the more I thought about it the more I liked it.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: theis on Feb 22, 2010, 06:28 PM
I thought this movie was absolutely incredible. It blew me a away.

Leo was fucking amazing. Wow, what a performance. The last 15 minutes tore my heart out and smashed it with a sledgehammer.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: bright lights, big city on Feb 22, 2010, 06:51 PM
goddamn i gotta see this asap
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: theis on Feb 22, 2010, 07:02 PM
But yeah, as defskull said; it's not a horror movie, but it's definitely creepy and the overall atmosphere is pretty damn unnerving. I'd call it more a psychological drama.

Make sure to NOT read any in depth reviews. It'll only spoil it, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: nonesuch on Feb 22, 2010, 10:08 PM
some asshole on 4chan spoiled the ending for me, but it was still good

not great though.  when marty and leo get together i expect nothing short of brilliance, but this one seemed a bit formulaic and unoriginal

the bar is so high for these guys that its damn near impossible to reach it
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: Deft_16_Ones on Feb 22, 2010, 10:40 PM
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Feb 22, 2010, 04:58 AM
does she normally like horror movies? because my special lady dislikes the horror, but i wanna drag her to this.

She does like horror movies but I dont know what the hell was wrong with her. The night didnt end up as great, it ended up as tragedy LOL but I fucking enjoyed the movie. :)
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: defskull on Feb 23, 2010, 04:09 AM
Quote from: nonesuch on Feb 22, 2010, 10:08 PM

not great though.  when marty and leo get together i expect nothing short of brilliance, but this one seemed a bit formulaic and unoriginal


Granted it's not their fault for it being unoriginal or formulaic.  I thought both Leo's acting and Marty's directing were both absolutely top notch.  It was just maybe not the best story for him to direct.  I absolutely loved the dream sequences.

Anyone else think that Mark Ruffalo did an astounding job in this movie?  I mean Leo and Marty deserve cred but I feel like Mark gave an underrated performance.  I wouldn't mind watching the movie again and focusing more on his character.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: theis on Feb 23, 2010, 12:11 PM
Mark Ruffalo is fantastic. I've always been a big fan of him. He was great in Shutter Island, very subtle role.

Damn, I can't get this movie out of my head.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: Crazylegs on Feb 23, 2010, 03:25 PM
This film may be a good reason for me to finally drag my ass to the cinema.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: defskull on Feb 23, 2010, 06:10 PM
Quote from: theis on Feb 23, 2010, 12:11 PM
Mark Ruffalo is fantastic. I've always been a big fan of him. He was great in Shutter Island, very subtle role.

Damn, I can't get this movie out of my head.

Yeah.  As "simple" as the movie is, it had a lot going on.  It's one of those movies that will probably get better with more viewings.  I saw it Saturday and last night I had a long talk with three other people about the movie.  It's been awhile since I've seen a movie where I'm talking about the movie multiple days after seeing it.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: el perro on Feb 23, 2010, 07:28 PM
this movie fucked my mind
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: wither-I on Feb 23, 2010, 07:37 PM
i heard it just sucked
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: theis on Feb 23, 2010, 08:00 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Feb 23, 2010, 07:37 PM
i heard it just sucked

You heard wrong.

It's a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: nonesuch on Feb 24, 2010, 01:21 AM
Quote from: theis on Feb 23, 2010, 08:00 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Feb 23, 2010, 07:37 PM
i heard it just sucked

You heard wrong.

It's a masterpiece.

definitely not a masterpiece.  the departed was a masterpiece.  this is a pretty good movie. 

Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: one weak on Feb 24, 2010, 04:34 AM
neither are masterpieces compared to anything Scorcese did early in his career
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Post by: ben on Feb 24, 2010, 08:09 PM
I wouldn't say it's a masterpiece, especially when I called the twist.  When the same director has made films like Raging   WHICH by the way I thought was done quite well.  I liked it.

Interesting note:  I got to sit in the "crying room" with my two friends, which was badass.  We were able to talk and goof off without any consequences.

anyways, what is your top five scorsese films?  here's mine

5. Goodfellas
4. After Hours
3. Casino
2. Taxi Driver
1. Raging Bull
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: theis on Feb 25, 2010, 12:49 AM
1. RAGING BULL (greatest performance ever by any actor. Good ol' Bobby D)
2. Taxi Driver (one of the first "classics" I ever watched. Changed my whole view on movies)
3. Mean Streets
4. Goodfellas/The King of Comedy (tie. TKOC is one of the most underrated movies ever)
5. Shutter Island

My opinion may change on Shutter Island after some time, but I'm pretty awe-struck by it at the moment. I've been finding some of the scenes from it on the net and it's fascinating how almost every piece of dialogue has something to do with the "twist". Such incredible detail. Can't wait to watch it again.

Scorsese never made a bad movie.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (new horror/thriller by MARTIN SCORSESE)
Post by: defskull on Feb 25, 2010, 05:19 AM
Yeah exactly. 

SPOILERS

The twist of him being a patient there is pretty weak.  But why he is there and how everyone is trying to help him see that he is in fact a patient there is pretty great.

One of my favorite things I noticed afterward is the fact that Mark Ruffalo has problems taking his gun out of it's holster when he first gets on the island.  I thought it was odd that so much time was spent on that, but it makes sense now.  It's because he was never a US Marshall.  He's never done anything like that.  Great great attention to detail.  Little things like that make the movie so much better than what some might claim it to be.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (SPOILERS)
Post by: theis on Feb 25, 2010, 03:43 PM
Quote from: defskull on Feb 25, 2010, 05:19 AM
One of my favorite things I noticed afterward is the fact that Mark Ruffalo has problems taking his gun out of it's holster when he first gets on the island.  I thought it was odd that so much time was spent on that, but it makes sense now.  It's because he was never a US Marshall.  He's never done anything like that.  Great great attention to detail.  Little things like that make the movie so much better than what some might claim it to be.

Haha, I'm getting goosebumps from just reading that. Well spotted!

Anyone else thought Michelle Williams did a brilliant job?

Such a subtle and creepy performance. The way she just wanders back and forth on the porch while Leo's in the water with the dead kids. Shit, it gave me chills.
"They can be our own live dolls".
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: ben on Feb 25, 2010, 10:43 PM
Yea that was pretty disturbing, a long with the snow/holocaust scene.  The visuals are amazing. 

I watched Kundun lastnight, that's another Scorsese film where he goes out of his staple elements and gives us great shots.  I suggest checking it out...though it really pisses me off the people speak in english instead of it being subtitled.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: Deft_16_Ones on Feb 26, 2010, 01:21 AM
Top 5 films from Scorsese

1. Taxi Driver
2. Casino
3. Goodfellas
4. Cape fear
5. The aviator
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: theis on Feb 26, 2010, 02:14 AM
Quote from: ben on Feb 25, 2010, 10:43 PM
I watched Kundun lastnight, that's another Scorsese film where he goes out of his staple elements and gives us great shots.  I suggest checking it out...though it really pisses me off the people speak in english instead of it being subtitled.

That's the only Scorsese movie I haven't seen yet. Gotta get on that.
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Post by: alvarezbassist17 on Feb 26, 2010, 04:08 AM
i liked the movie, i kinda want to see it again to make my final judgment because i too called the plot twist right when they were like "but records say there's 66 patients here" or whatever and essentially spent the rest of the movie being like "goddammit if he's #67 i'm gonna be kind of pissed."  But I did really like how at the end he decided to get lobotomized even though their treatment worked, I thought that was a great plot element.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: defskull on Feb 26, 2010, 07:13 AM
From what I've read from reviews, and I agree with this, is I think Scorcesse almost wanted the audience to know the twist long before the reveal.  It helps you become one with the character.  Because you're thinking "there's no way that's the twist" and so you're becoming convinced just as Leo is that there is a huge conspiracy going on.  I mean I thought him being a patient was the obvious twist to have to I kept convincing myself that that wasn't the twist and that he was really catching on to a big government conspiracy. 

When it's revealed that he's a patient we're thinking the same thing Leo is thinking.  "No way. There is no way he's a patient.  We've come all this way to find out he's a patient?" I think it's really great.
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Post by: tarkil on Mar 18, 2010, 01:20 AM
Just saw that yesterday, and LOVED every second of it !
Awesome, awesome movie, really...

I'm curious about what you guys think though : does he really falls back into madness at the end ? Or he just "plays" it in order to get lobotomized, cause he doesn't want to live with the truth ?


BTW, my first idea was a relapse, but after second thinking it, with his sentence "is it better to live as a monster, or die as a good man", I'm more oriented towards the faking madness hypothesis now.
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Post by: theis on Mar 18, 2010, 01:22 AM
*high five*
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Post by: shine down unshy on Mar 18, 2010, 01:27 AM
Saw it the other night.

It sucked.  I was very disappointed at how bland and dry the whole story was.  I could already tell about halfway into the movie that he was going to end up being a patient there.  So there was no twist for me.

I loved Scorcese's other movies like Taxi Driver, Casino and Goodfellas but this movie was awful.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: theis on Mar 18, 2010, 01:29 AM
I guess the story flew over your head.

This was so much more than "him just being the patient".
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: defskull on Mar 18, 2010, 05:55 AM
Seriously.  Determining whether or not the movie is good based on whether or not you knew what the twist is is stupid.  I guess Goodfellas was good because of the twist ending of Ray Liotta becoming a part of the Witness Protection program?

Shutter Island is so much more than a twist and it cheapens the movie if that's all you think it is.  It was outright obvious he was a patient there.  Before the movie even came out my girlfriend was saying he was a patient there.  I think it's supposed to be obvious to the viewer.  That way when Leo (and the viewer) finds out that he is a patient there, the character and audience don't believe it.  The audience can't believe it not because it's shocking, but because the entire time you're thinking "nah, he can't be a patient there, that'd be too obvious" and then they go that route anyway.  Now the audience and character are both in denial.  Leo and the viewer are thinking "this can't be".  There HAS to be something more than him just being a patient. 

At least that's how I felt.  Having such a simple twist seems pointless, but it really isn't.  I mean in the end Leo and the viewer both would rather it be that his conspiracies were real. His pretend life and our pretend perception of what's real and what isn't are so much better than what reality is.  That's why he chooses to be lobotomized.  He'd rather have the good memories than live the rest of his life knowing the terrible truth. 
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: shine down unshy on Mar 18, 2010, 07:08 AM
My dad was with me, he wanted to get up and leave halfway into the movie.  Just cuz you like Scorcese doesn't mean you have to swallow everything he feeds you.  If you liked it, great! I didn't.  Maybe one day I'll see it again and finally "get it".  Maybe not.

Oh, and Goodfellas was good because it was a true gangster flick.  That whole lifestyle, the money, respect..very real so...no need to insult my intelligence.

Everyone has their own opinions and perceptions.  
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: defskull on Mar 18, 2010, 04:40 PM
I'm not saying everything he does is great.  I'm just saying that determining the movie as good or not just based on whether or not the twist is expected lame.  Sure you would like there to be a good twist but don't forget the rest of the movie that came before it. 
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: Hidalgo on Mar 22, 2010, 06:15 AM
this was more like a M Night Shyamalan movie than Scorsese. it was good, but it wasn't his usual style of movie, not at all. not brilliant like good fellas, gangs of new york, the aviator, etc. stll this was a solid flick
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: Hidalgo on Mar 22, 2010, 06:26 AM
1. the aviator (so underrated, it's awesome. tons of good 1 liners from howard hughes, lol)
2. good fellas
3. gangs of new york
4. the color of money
5. cape fear

"and tell Jimmy i want 10 chocolate chip cookies, aright, medium chips, none too close to the outside. got it?"
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: lostpilot on Mar 24, 2010, 06:46 PM
Shutter Island was TOTALLY awesome.
Blew my mind kinda.

I guess movies like this are totally my favorite ones.

mindfuck forever \m/
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: theis on Mar 24, 2010, 06:54 PM
Quote from: lostpilot on Mar 24, 2010, 06:46 PM
Shutter Island was TOTALLY awesome.
Blew my mind kinda.

I guess movies like this are totally my favorite ones.

mindfuck forever \m/

Awesome, man.

I watched it for the second time some days and it still gave me chills. Especially the "cabin scene".
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: lostpilot on Mar 24, 2010, 07:16 PM
I'm pretty sure I'll be watching this again after some time.
It's weird how I enjoyed the fuck out of DiCaprio. He was kinda dead to me, but totally aced this movie.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: bright lights, big city on Mar 24, 2010, 08:36 PM
these days, i totally have a man-crush on DiCaprio. everything he's been in for the last decade, i've enjoyed.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: Mikey on Apr 10, 2010, 02:44 AM
Quote from: shine down unshy on Mar 18, 2010, 07:08 AM
My dad was with me, he wanted to get up and leave halfway into the movie.  Just cuz you like Scorcese doesn't mean you have to swallow everything he feeds you.  If you liked it, great! I didn't.  Maybe one day I'll see it again and finally "get it".  Maybe not.

Oh, and Goodfellas was good because it was a true gangster flick.  That whole lifestyle, the money, respect..very real so...no need to insult my intelligence.

Everyone has their own opinions and perceptions.  
I loved it and saw it twice. But to each his own, Sam.

Scorsese could film himself taking a shit and i would still watch it and love it. ;D :D
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: el perro on Aug 04, 2010, 08:03 PM
Watching it again.. at the end when he says "what would be worse.. to live as a monster or to die as a hero" or something like that. First time i noticed he might not actually have reverted, just he wants it to end. Can't be sure.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: Crazylegs on Aug 04, 2010, 09:15 PM
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Mar 24, 2010, 08:36 PM
these days, i totally have a man-crush on DiCaprio. everything he's been in for the last decade, i've enjoyed.

I realize i'm answering an age-old post, but i'm totally with you on that one. He's one of the greatest actors out there at the moment.

As for the movie, I really like it. Watched it two times in two days. It was awesome watching it a second time, and noticing all the details that are so obvious when you know what's really going on.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: theis on Aug 04, 2010, 09:30 PM
Quote from: el perro on Aug 04, 2010, 08:03 PM
Watching it again.. at the end when he says "what would be worse.. to live as a monster or to die as a hero" or something like that. First time i noticed he might not actually have reverted, just he wants it to end. Can't be sure.

I think it's pretty obvious that he wants to be lobotomized. Otherwise he wouldn't have said that.
Title: Re: Shutter Island (MAJOR SPOILERS)
Post by: bright lights, big city on Aug 05, 2010, 04:14 AM
Quote from: Crazylegs on Aug 04, 2010, 09:15 PM
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Mar 24, 2010, 08:36 PM
these days, i totally have a man-crush on DiCaprio. everything he's been in for the last decade, i've enjoyed.

I realize i'm answering an age-old post, but i'm totally with you on that one. He's one of the greatest actors out there at the moment.

As for the movie, I really like it. Watched it two times in two days. It was awesome watching it a second time, and noticing all the details that are so obvious when you know what's really going on.
although not knowing anything at all the first time through a movie is great, I really think I enjoyed Shutter Island even more the second time through