For those that don't know, Cameron's AVATAR is a top secret film that apparently has used new technology to create PHOTOREALISTIC CGI and 3D that makes the images on screen look holographic. Now up until last week, nobody had seen even a frame of footage but Cameron brought 24 minutes of his 3D adventure to a cinema expo in Amsterdam and the reaction is that it is almost unbelievable what was seen.
Here are some articles and excerpts from what was seen:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=56535
"It's the third scene where my heart begins to pound like crazy. Jake and Norm will inhabit their Avatar for the first time. They enter some sort of capsule and - flash – their mind enters the blue creatures, now lying on hospital tables. And not before long Avatar Jake wakes up. And it took my breath away. I thought--just like you guys--that I've seen it all with Gollum, or The Hulk, but Cameron has done it again. These creatures seem so real, that within minutes you forget you're watching an enormous and very blue CGI character. Even the eyes are totally convincing. The characters have real personalities and a soul."
http://www.no-spoon.net/article.php?news_id=504
"It is simple: such a level of realism and immersion, it was never seen before"
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/06/avatar-navi-description-trailer-update.html
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/06/exclusive-avatar-footage-impressions.html
"Until now, all we saw was the base in 3D, mostly humans and now the 2 N'avi Avatars.
They look NOTHING like the drawing you've seen. They're living creatures with blue skin, bigger yellow eyes than humans with tails. The avatars even look like their human connectors. You will NOT believe the detail. Jake's character will get a wound in a scene we saw later, it looked so real. You could see beneath the skin's first layer, like only real wounds show."
"the audience afterwards was stunned. Everyone just gasped, wondered and just couldnt believe what they saw."
No footage has been released to the public. The film wrapped production over two years ago and since then, everything has been post production. Nope, not even a teaser trailer. According to certain sources, a trailer will drop at the end of the summer and AVATAR will be released on December 18, 2009.
official trailer
[youtube=425,350]26QzkbPn0CQ[/youtube]
:O
Sweet. I have never been a fan of anything 3-D when it comes to movies, but now I am hopeful.
is this based on the anime Avatar?
Quote from: Jacob on Aug 21, 2009, 03:18 PM
is this based on the anime Avatar?
Nope..I thought the same thing. It's some project James Cameron's had in mind since before he made Titanic...just never had the technology to produce it until now.
the funny thing is that there is an avatar movie coming out based on the anime. It is being directed by m night.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0938283/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0938283/)
one of my buddies looked at me weird when i said that this avatar movie is supposed to be badass... he was like, the anime movie.... it took like two minutes for both of us to be on the same page.
;D
Holy shit Mikey that's an awesome find. I was kinda disappointed when I found out Avatar wasn't based on the anime.
<3 Ang!
And funny...the guy playing Sokka is the guy who played Jasper in Twilight. lol
Quote from: shine down unshy on Aug 21, 2009, 09:49 PM
Holy shit Mikey that's an awesome find. I was kinda disappointed when I found out Avatar wasn't based on the anime.
hehe, that's the reason I asked - I vaguely remember reading there would be a movie based on the anime ;D
yeah but M Night Shyamalan hasn't made a decent movie in years. Signs was the last thing I enjoyed of his.
really? I tend to like his movies. at least the has the guts to do something different.
anyways, I just watched the teaser for Avatar and while the movies looks awesome, I gotta agree witth Theis... the CGI looks terrible and it really clashes with the real-life scenes. it looks like CGI videos from a game. actually, I'm pretty sure I've seen better in a game.
signs was complete crap
the happening was almost ok
Come on Cameron direct Aliens again, I never get tired of that movie. Anyway alien is being brought back with a pre-sequel directed by Riddley Scott, maybe now we sci-fi fans will know what the hell was that big gun and alien at the beginning of the movie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Jockey_%28Alien%29
Not a fan of Cameron's AVATAR thus far. Fuck CGI.
Quote from: Timmy666 on Sep 12, 2009, 04:29 AM
Not a fan of Cameron's AVATAR thus far. Fuck CGI.
yeah, I'm not a big fan either. I mean, there are some awesome CGI effects done in movies, but in general I
really prefer them using models and old-school effects.
Quote from: Jacob on Sep 12, 2009, 08:16 AM
Quote from: Timmy666 on Sep 12, 2009, 04:29 AM
Not a fan of Cameron's AVATAR thus far. Fuck CGI.
yeah, I'm not a big fan either. I mean, there are some awesome CGI effects done in movies, but in general I really prefer them using models and old-school effects.
Abso-fuckin-lutely
Got 11.20AM tickets for tomorrow.
I'm going in with fairly low expectations.
looks like the death of film...
gonna have to see it though
Quote from: wither-I on Dec 17, 2009, 04:25 PM
looks like the death of film...
That doesn't make sense.
seeing this Friday.
Holograpgic images? No way. Those god damned fucking glasses hurt as fuck when you put them on for 3 hours. But it does have the best CGI I have ever seen.
Quote from: theis on Dec 17, 2009, 04:44 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Dec 17, 2009, 04:25 PM
looks like the death of film...
That doesn't make sense.
maybe not.
the actual fabric that is film has a short lifespan whenever you factor in atmospheric catalysts... it must be stored in a cool and very dry place.
but what i am talking about is movies that contain LIFE. with real people acting and sets that are staged by real people, who are alive and well. directors moving about with utmost vitality handing out direct orders to real individuals who have minds and are physical entities with warmth and energy exuding from their every pore.
this cgi shit is a plague. its like photoshop but worse...
*viva theatre!
GIVE ME SOMETHING REAL
So this isn't the Last Air Bender Aang is it? lol
Quote from: devilinside on Dec 18, 2009, 02:09 AM
So this isn't the Last Air Bender Aang is it? lol
my idiot friend thought it was until he went and saw it last night. i don't know what it is but i have absolutely zero interest in seeing this film.
cartoons are nearly dead too...
farewell old friends
Quote from: wither-I on Dec 18, 2009, 01:56 AM
Quote from: theis on Dec 17, 2009, 04:44 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Dec 17, 2009, 04:25 PM
looks like the death of film...
That doesn't make sense.
maybe not.
the actual fabric that is film has a short lifespan whenever you factor in atmospheric catalysts... it must be stored in a cool and very dry place.
but what i am talking about is movies that contain LIFE. with real people acting and sets that are staged by real people, who are alive and well. directors moving about with utmost vitality handing out direct orders to real individuals who have minds and are physical entities with warmth and energy exuding from their every pore.
this cgi shit is a plague. its like photoshop but worse...
*viva theatre!
GIVE ME SOMETHING REAL
Yeah I definitely agree.
I was supposed to see this today, but there's so much fucking snow that I don't even wanna bother going outside. And to be honest, my interest in this flick is close to zero. I love James Cameron's Aliens and Terminator 1&2, but this CGi world doesn't interest me one bit.
I completely disagree in every way possible. CGI could be used to do more than create fake explosions and Cameron realizes this. The movie itself is not synthetic, but the story actually is. I thought it was wonderful.
I might go tomorrow since everyone I've talked to, who thought the trailers looked lame, think it's fantastic.
Quote from: ben on Dec 18, 2009, 07:57 PM
I completely disagree in every way possible. CGI could be used to do more than create fake explosions and Cameron realizes this. The movie itself is not synthetic, but the story actually is. I thought it was wonderful.
whats new.
what do you mean the movie is not synthetic but the story is?
the story is the most real the about it. the imaginative mind creating the entire concept.
and of course the movie is synthetic! how could it not be. read my above post of the simple degredation properties of film exposure.
and go see a play.
Go see a play? haha ok.
There are two kind of great films.
1. A film with a lack of SFX with a solid story, developed characters, great setting and a decent mis-en-scene
2.A film that lacks a solid story but is decent with new innovative ways of expressing film. Avatar fits in here. Like one critic said, "Watching it now in 2009 may have the same impact on us that the original King Kong had on moviegoers in the thirties".
SFX were made from people's creative minds too. Just like your amateur paintings, they were devised and created using long hard processes. Have some respect for those people; they have more talent than you or I.
Quote from: wither-I on Dec 18, 2009, 10:06 PM
and go see a play.
Theater is the most boring art form out there. Seriously.
Quote from: ben on Dec 18, 2009, 10:24 PM
Go see a play? haha ok.
There are two kind of great films.
1. A film with a lack of SFX with a solid story, developed characters, great setting and a decent mis-en-scene
2.A film that lacks a solid story but is decent with new innovative ways of expressing film. Avatar fits in here. Like one critic said, "Watching it now in 2009 may have the same impact on us that the original King Kong had on moviegoers in the thirties".
SFX were made from people's creative minds too. Just like your amateur paintings, they were devised and created using long hard processes. Have some respect for those people; they have more talent than you or I.
ill agree with amatuer paintings. figuring that i just started painting last may and only have 10 finished paintings, "amateur" fits the suit.
i cant help but notice you always take shots at me and anything i say, as if you do it just to spite me... i remember some while back, the first thing you ever replied or said of my presence, was something like -"who the fuck is this guy!?"
but i will say this to you, -watch me! watch me take off, as you sit on solid ground. watch me you motherfucker. watch me. you aint got shit. what do you have to offer?? you got no spirit bro. do you do anything? or just talk shit?
why dont you take all your elitist flare on that wretched little tounge of yours and spit something REAL. go think hard and long about what you wish you had.
but seriously. keep in touch.check me out in the future and hit me up. call me an amateur still as i soar.
but youre a hater. thats what youll always be. sitting on message boards hating on people you dont know for no reason other than lack of self-assurance and esteem. keep being a dead weight and an elite mouth and you got nothing.
try to hit me with your sly remarks about my work. how u dare.
but really keep in touch and remember the name motherfucker. cause you WILL hear of me again.
pay up.
-kyle nugent. (remember me)
Quote from: theis on Dec 18, 2009, 10:38 PM
Quote from: wither-I on Dec 18, 2009, 10:06 PM
and go see a play.
Theater is the most boring art form out there. Seriously.
either, you are insane.
or you have never seen a good theatre production.
Going with the insane part ;)
But really, I enjoy most forms of "art". Theater just bores me.
Oh, and your response to ben was pretty unnessecary and rough. He made legitimate reasons.
man im sorry to hear that :(
ive done theatre most of my life and am currently working on writing a full play... maaaaybe it will even be made into a film one day :) ive always dreamt of film production ever since i was a kid. the first conceptual piece of writing i ever did was a screenplay/short story called "the monkey speaks his mind". the title of course borrowed from an old blues song. i was like 7 years old...
...so that kind of makes me sad.
what plays have you seen?
oh and ben took a shot at me. he always takes shots at me im tired of him. he's a hater.
I'm not a hater. I even like your paintings! I'm just trying to put into perspective to you, because you obviously have strong biases that I'm sure have some backing but you have to refrain from outlandish statements like "this is the death of film". Then tell me to go watch a play; the two have different criteria in judging both, so it has no bearing on our argument.
That's all. if I have been excessively harsh in the past as well I apologize.
Yeah I really don't see how you can go and call Ben the elitist when he is the one praising a mainstream movie. You're the one being the elitist saying that this new movie is the death of film without even seeing the movie.
Whos going to see this flick???
Quote from: ben on Dec 18, 2009, 10:24 PM
Go see a play? haha ok.
There are two kind of great films.
1. A film with a lack of SFX with a solid story, developed characters, great setting and a decent mis-en-scene
2.A film that lacks a solid story but is decent with new innovative ways of expressing film. Avatar fits in here. Like one critic said, "Watching it now in 2009 may have the same impact on us that the original King Kong had on moviegoers in the thirties".
SFX were made from people's creative minds too. Just like your amateur paintings, they were devised and created using long hard processes. Have some respect for those people; they have more talent than you or I.
completely agreed. and it's pretty closed minded to say that CG is bad across the board. i mean, i've seen some pretty cheesy/shitty CG in my days, but I mean there's CG out there that is genuinely artful. look at some of guillermo del toro's movies, they're gorgeous, and there's no way in shit he could've pulled that off sans advanced graphics techniques. Pan's Labyrinth, anyone?
To me, it's comparable to the advent of the paintbrush, or some other advance in art. There's gonna be genuinely creative, hard working people using it, and the opposite. why's it so hard to just say that shitty CG is... shitty?
Yeah. I was watching some of POTC: Dead Man's Chest and it might not be the best movie in the world but I swear that the CGI for the Davy Jones character is some of the best ever. That character could not be created otherwise. Sure you could have done a shit load of make up and do some animatronics but it wouldn't look as realistic as the CGI character does.
yeah my friends who have seen it loved it, even though very few were actually anticipating this. I'm not really anxious to see it either, honestly, but it is Cameron and I've really enjoyed all of his movies (except Titanic, and I do respect him for his reasons to make that film). Now Avatar was something he's been wanting to do for decades, but technology just was never up to par. So this means I have to like it, right?
No images and trailers will do this movie justice. I thought it looked lame from the previews, but decided to give it a chance today.
Consider my mind blown.
What beauty, what action, what emotion and what GRAPHICS!. Sure, the story has been seen before, but the way Cameron tells it is truly wonderful.
I loved every second and thought everyone did a splendid job. It's incredible how much you actually get to care about these big blue CG cat people. Am I the only one who thought Neytiri was ridiculously hot?
I also really, REALLY like Sam Worthington. That dude's got one hell of a future in front of him.
And oh my goood - the final battle; Probably the greatest battle between the "good guys and bad guys" I've witnessed in a movie. I had chils the entire time. When it comes to sci-fi and fantasy, it really doesn't get much better than Avatar.
Another thing I loved was that you actually had time to breathe between the action sequences. It wasn't too exsessive. (Bay, take notice).
People in doubt - GO SEE THIS.
Bravo, James Cameron. I will happily call this movie a masterpiece.
If you can't enjoy this movie, I fucking feel sorry for you. I really do...
9.5/10
Exactly. I went in with the same kind of expectations and was blown away. That's why I didn't want to really discuss my reasons for why I disagreed. I think it's better if people go into it thinking it's going to suck. Honestly, it's my favorite film of the year, and I've seen some good ones.
Quote from: ben on Dec 20, 2009, 05:13 PM
Honestly, it's my favorite film of the year.
Same. And one of the best of the decade.
???
i heard this movie is quite amazing. i'll pay to go see this
The visual effects were pretty ridiculous. One of the effects that I tended to love a lot was the fact that you had this CGI robot walking but you can still see the human actor inside. I thought that was very cool. Not only that, but CGI and human interaction was unreal. If you had no idea CGI existed you would believe that the Navi and humans coexisted.
And yes that final battle just might be the best I've ever seen. Ridiculously cool shit going on. I did feel like the movie was a little long, but when considering what they could have gotten rid of, there really isn't anything. It takes a lot of time to introduce the audience to the world of Pandora. There's just so much going on. I'll probably go see it again.
Oh yeah, it's worth seeing in 3D. It's not gimmicky shit like ooo lets extend this all the way into the audience. Instead, the 3D was used to literally give another dimension to the world.
Quote from: theis on Dec 20, 2009, 04:48 PM
No images and trailers will do this movie justice. I thought it looked lame from the previews, but decided to give it a chance
8.5/10
great message.
Glad you liked it :)
seen it in 3d today. impressed by the visuals of course but story, dialogues and charactes were average at best.
two points that should have been deepened were jakes disablement and the ressource problem and resulting dilemma of the human race. those themes would have brought at least some deep to the whole movie. instead it was just the typical conflict between capitalists and autochthonous people with a pocahontasesque love story.
i would have loved to see the Alien 2 marines team in this movie :)
7/10
Quote from: ben on Dec 20, 2009, 05:13 PM
Honestly, it's my favorite film of the year.
x2
loved every piece of it
i'll probably get flamed but i really dislike this film. i don't understand why james cameron gave the female alien/s breasts, despite the fact that they made no biological sense on them, since they aren't mammals, because they had to be "sexy". "well, they have to be identifiable as female. . ." come on! so much of the so-called biodiversity made no sense - they wouldn't have looked like humans at all, and someone i know brought this up, but despite the fact that it's a whole new system, there are still the same old patriarchal gender roles and power structures we have on earth. and oh look who's coming along to save the day! mr alfa white dude! it's dances with wolves in space!
i have not yet seen the movie but...
Quote from: blixa on Jan 06, 2010, 11:42 AM
i'll probably get flamed but i really dislike this film. i don't understand why james cameron gave the female alien/s breasts, despite the fact that they made no biological sense on them, since they aren't mammals, because they had to be "sexy". "well, they have to be identifiable as female. . ." come on! so much of the so-called biodiversity made no sense - they wouldn't have looked like humans at all, and someone i know brought this up, but despite the fact that it's a whole new system, there are still the same old patriarchal gender roles and power structures we have on earth. and oh look who's coming along to save the day! mr alfa white dude! it's dances with wolves in space!
why do people overthink things and ruin the movie for themselves? its just a movie. nothing more than entertainment. yes there is a message blah blah blah. but the point is entertain. take you out of your life and get imersed in the story.
it would be just ''good'' if it wasnt 3d
Quote from: devlin on Jan 06, 2010, 11:50 AM
i have not yet seen the movie but...
Quote from: blixa on Jan 06, 2010, 11:42 AM
i'll probably get flamed but i really dislike this film. i don't understand why james cameron gave the female alien/s breasts, despite the fact that they made no biological sense on them, since they aren't mammals, because they had to be "sexy". "well, they have to be identifiable as female. . ." come on! so much of the so-called biodiversity made no sense - they wouldn't have looked like humans at all, and someone i know brought this up, but despite the fact that it's a whole new system, there are still the same old patriarchal gender roles and power structures we have on earth. and oh look who's coming along to save the day! mr alfa white dude! it's dances with wolves in space!
why do people overthink things and ruin the movie for themselves? its just a movie. nothing more than entertainment. yes there is a message blah blah blah. but the point is entertain. take you out of your life and get imersed in the story.
i don't tend to "over think" things at all so this is a big deal that i even noticed these things. if you want me to get way more serious about it, i really had no respect for the way jake's disability was portrayed at all. he's represented as feeling broken and useless and we're informed that it is right for him to feel that way in a differently-abled body. although i am pretty happy to say that it is pocahontas with spaceships.
i wasn't really calling you out. your post just got me thinking. or "over thinking" if you please.
but again having not seen the movie. and not knowing specifically how these things were portrayed. i'm willing to bet that damn near anyone with a disability would gladly have their minds put into an able body.
i don't agree that a disabled person should be stereotyped like that. i know a lot of disabled people and it's offensive to pre-suppose that they wish to be abled or whatnot. you can think that all you want, but that doesn't make it so. i'm not attacking you either. it's just the internet hahaha.
i don't think this movie is revolutionary in plot. pretty much your standard action movie with fucking kickass CGI. that's it.
sterotypes exist because the majority of the time they're true. i'm tired of all this PC bullshit. you may know plenty of people who have come to grips with the disability and live very happy complete lives. but i seriouly doubt anyone of them would say "what? walk again? no, thank you. i'm not handicapped, i'm handicapable!" of course they would rip the baby out of a new mothers arms to get at those stem cells, if it got them closer to a fully functioning body.
there was nothing PC about the way his disability was portrayed at all. stereotypes exist because the majority of people live in a box that they've invented for themselves. when i saw jake and his wheelchair i thought, will this be the first time i've seen a movie where a main character with a disability hasn't been magically 'cured' by the end? in the movie, jake abandons his wheelchair to be permanently installed in a na'vi body. this pretty much is telling us the underlying theme, which is that his human body is inadequate. instead he can achieve some type of salvation by entering his new body.
i'm sorry but that's fucking bullshit.
i didn't mean the movie was PC. i meant u.
and i'm sure, once again, that there are plenty of people with a disability was DO find their body to be "inadequate" and wish upon a star every night to be able to what the character in the movie did. not all. but the majority. why wouldn't they? like i said. even if they are perfectly happy in a wheel chair. why wouldn't they want to be able to stand, walk, run, jig?
some thoughts on the gender problem in this movie and jakes disablement.
-of course its not clinic reality that there is a cure for disabled people, sadly. but saying that jake can have the same perfect live with his disablement is just relativistic and regressive to my eyes. its the typical "everyone is different and thats ok" ideology that hinders progression and improvement of society. its a typical way of thinking of the feminist left that wants emancipation on the one side. but when it comes to oppose against female mutilation and the burka-tradition, this ideology often enough stays silent because it accepts every diversity.
- james cameron may transport gender clichees but he certainly does not prefer the manly way. in aliens its a caring women that survives while abunch of manly and heavy armed marines fail horribly. same thing in avatar: agression loses and pacific, caring autochthones prevail.
- jake as an alpha male? he was disabled and not able to take part in any fight in his human body. and he was a newbie in his na`vi body and only won the boss fight because of his female friend.
-the movie was made for big masses, so it was necessary to have projection screens for a wide audience. therefore tits.
-is a gender analysis alone enough to interpret and judge this movie? no way.
Quote from: Nailec on Jan 06, 2010, 03:20 PM
some thoughts on the gender problem in this movie and jakes disablement.
-of course its not clinic reality that there is a cure for disabled people, sadly. but saying that jake can have the same perfect live with his disablement is just relativistic and regressive to my eyes. its the typical "everyone is different and thats ok" ideology that hinders progression and improvement of society. its a typical way of thinking of the feminist left that wants emancipation on the one side. but when it comes to oppose against female mutilation and the burka-tradition, this ideology often enough stays silent because it accepts every diversity.
- james cameron may transport gender clichees but he certainly does not prefer the manly way. in aliens its a caring women that survives while abunch of manly and heavy armed marines fail horribly. same thing in avatar: agression loses and pacific, caring autochthones prevail.
- jake as an alpha male? he was disabled and not able to take part in any fight in his human body. and he was a newbie in his na`vi body and only won the boss fight because of his female friend.
-the movie was made for big masses, so it was necessary to have projection screens for a wide audience. therefore tits.
-is a gender analysis alone enough to interpret and judge this movie? no way.
GREAT points.
our great mother...
and blixa, im sorry, but are you actually serious?
even leuitenant dan who wanted only death got new legs. the stuff they use on the spaceships..
Quote from: blixa on Jan 06, 2010, 11:42 AM
i don't understand why james cameron gave the female alien/s breasts, despite the fact that they made no biological sense on them, since they aren't mammals, because they had to be "sexy". "well, they have to be identifiable as female. . ." come on! so much of the so-called biodiversity made no sense - they wouldn't have looked like humans at all,
and yes youre right the breasts are there to make the aliens identifiable. without these easy clues to keep audiences in tune it would be too complicated for the film to work and/or would have to be over 4 hours long. theres already so much information that transpires throughout the film conditioning the viewer to this new world...
and acually some "scientists" have pointed out that biodiversity and evolution could be likely to take very similar aesthetical roles on an alien planet. we could be suprised how much alien life would relate to our own. do i think they would be represneted like the movie however, no. but again this makes things identifiable and relateable to our current situation on earth. just with the horses and trees and pterodactyls and jungle dog things, and triceratops looking things... relateable.
its early so sorry for my disjunct rambles.
time for some humor?
http://www.geekologie.com/2010/01/youve_gotta_be_kidding_me_foru.php (http://www.geekologie.com/2010/01/youve_gotta_be_kidding_me_foru.php)
Quote from: Nailec on Jan 06, 2010, 03:20 PM
some thoughts on the gender problem in this movie and jakes disablement.
-of course its not clinic reality that there is a cure for disabled people, sadly. but saying that jake can have the same perfect live with his disablement is just relativistic and regressive to my eyes. its the typical "everyone is different and thats ok" ideology that hinders progression and improvement of society. its a typical way of thinking of the feminist left that wants emancipation on the one side. but when it comes to oppose against female mutilation and the burka-tradition, this ideology often enough stays silent because it accepts every diversity.
Actaully, the thing that is a lot more socially regressive is your view that "disabled" people will never have a "cure" for their uninspired lives is shared by far too many people.
sheesh
As for the film. It was cool looking, but not my cup of tea. It was like going to a museum (which i like) and being in awe, but growing pretty bored after about an hour.
I think CGI advances are the tits, but give me real photography, acting and a story any day of the week. What will be awesome is when someone takes the nerds who animate and photograph at this technical level and plug in all the variables of a truly great story!
Quote from: one weak on Jan 06, 2010, 09:15 PM
I think CGI advances are the tits, but give me real photography, acting and a story any day of the week. What will be awesome is when someone takes the nerds who animate and photograph at this technical level and plug in all the variables of a truly great story!
:)
Quote from: devlin on Jan 06, 2010, 03:11 PM
i didn't mean the movie was PC. i meant u.
and i'm sure, once again, that there are plenty of people with a disability was DO find their body to be "inadequate" and wish upon a star every night to be able to what the character in the movie did. not all. but the majority. why wouldn't they? like i said. even if they are perfectly happy in a wheel chair. why wouldn't they want to be able to stand, walk, run, jig?
yes, and we see this being the basis in every film. james cameron brought nothing new in regards to issues he could have 'revolutionised'. this movie was just made to look good. that's what disappointed me. it didn't give me what i wanted because it's nothing plotwise. you know how it's gonna end fifteen minutes in, plus you know exactly what will happen to lead to this end.
and i don't agree with you about disabled people so there's no point arguing any further.
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Hahaha.
ha ha ah
LOL!!!
Hahahahahaha
This movie was painful to watch 3 hours of pure boredom and political agenda. Anyway I enjoyed to make out + with my GF.
So you're one of those buttfuckers who smooches before my eyes when i try to enjoy a movie. Well I hope you realise I shot all my boogers on your hair.
Quote from: Deft_16_Ones on Jan 18, 2010, 06:12 PM
Hahahahahaha
This movie was painful to watch 3 hours of pure boredom and political agenda. Anyway I enjoyed to make out + with my GF.
hi. youre the new troll-captain here?
Quote from: Penicks on Jan 18, 2010, 09:06 PM
So you're one of those buttfuckers who smooches before my eyes when i try to enjoy a movie. Well I hope you realise I shot all my boogers on your hair.
hahahaha i'm with you, i hate those buttmunches.
in other news, Avatar actually won best picture at the golden globes .
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jan 18, 2010, 11:09 PM
in other news, Avatar actually won best picture at the golden globes .
The Hurt Locker won Best Picture.
Except that it didn't.
Oh shit, I was looking at a different list.
Crazy. Inglourious Basterds should've won.
Quote from: Nailec on Jan 18, 2010, 10:40 PM
Quote from: Deft_16_Ones on Jan 18, 2010, 06:12 PM
Hahahahahaha
This movie was painful to watch 3 hours of pure boredom and political agenda. Anyway I enjoyed to make out + with my GF.
hi. youre the new troll-captain here?
Are you the asshole with no life that defends a movie? ::) Im pretty sure the production will call you to congratulate you and your amazing skills on a forum 8) What a pro !
Professional Asshole 8)
Goodbye
Quote from: theis on Jan 19, 2010, 12:30 AM
Oh shit, I was looking at a different list.
Crazy. Inglourious Basterds should've won.
seriously. or Hurt Locker. Avatar was pretty good, but I just am failing to see it as this truly spectacular movie (although the special effects were pretty legendary)
It's really sad but I mean these award shows have come down to politics. It's no longer about the best film anymore but rather the amount of money you spend to have your movie recognized as best film.
Though I will say that it appears that best actor and actress categories are still untainted. Christopher Waltz deserves every award he can. I mean he effectively and believably acted in FOUR different languages in Inglourious Basterds. He was both charming and chilling at the same time.
But anyway, Avatar deserves all the technical awards it can get. Giving it the best movie award though when much more original movies came out is a crime.
Quote from: defskull on Jan 19, 2010, 07:01 AM
But anyway, Avatar deserves all the technical awards it can get. Giving it the best movie award though when much more original movies came out is a crime.
I agree. It deserves the technical awards, but to call it any more than a nice looking movie is crazy...especially considering the other movies involved. Seriously, if Avatar can win Best Picture, why couldn't The Dark Knight? Bullshit, if you ask me.
Pocahontas + The Matrix ( Dances with Wolves )= AVATAR
Cool colors, LAME movie.
LOL! I saw this on Twitter the other day...
(http://www.saltypopcorn.com/images/avatar-pocahontas1.jpg)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D8IRIYBSnk#)
HAHA!
i hope this movie wins nothing at the oscars.
Quote from: blixa on Feb 02, 2010, 02:33 PM
i hope this movie wins nothing at the oscars.
It'll most definitely sweep all the technical awards, but It doesn't deserve to win Best Picture or Best Director. Those two categories belong to Inglourious Basterds and Quentin Tarantino.
yeah really. after seeing this, I did basically enjoy the movie. but seriously, after thinking more and more about it, i am starting to dislike the movie. it is good for what it is, it LOOKS good. but everything else about it is just stupid.
but after making $2 billion, my opinion is pointless. we are going to see a lot more 3D and a lot less plot in the future.
Quote from: theis on Feb 02, 2010, 02:45 PM
Quote from: blixa on Feb 02, 2010, 02:33 PM
i hope this movie wins nothing at the oscars.
It'll most definitely sweep all the technical awards, but It doesn't deserve to win Best Picture or Best Director. Those two categories belong to Inglourious Basterds and Quentin Tarantino.
i don't care so much who wins. i just don't want avatar to get anything.
To be fair though, Cameron's directing is admirable. Not exactly who I want to win, but I think he is definitely deserving of the Oscar. It's not like that world appeared out of thin air. He created it and was able to direct the actors effectively to properly inhabit the world. Sure the script is not the best but that's not the fault of his direction.
I just saw this today, and it's perfect if you have about 20 minutes to spare. definitely sums up how I feel about Avatar.
http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/02/70-minute-star-wars-review-guy-does-avatar (http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/02/70-minute-star-wars-review-guy-does-avatar)
finally saw it and wow
it really sucked ass
was i supposed to be happy that jake led the navi (the fictional space species) in murdering humans after only three months of hanging out with them? Yea the general was evil or whatever but the rest of the guys were just following orders. it would be like celebrating when the iraqi insurgents kill a bunch of US soldiers. They have every right to defend themselves against the invaders, but its not the foot soldiers fault its the guys upstairs. believe im 100% against the wars and all wars for that matter but i wouldn't be proud of an american soldier that infiltrated the iraqis, became a muslim, then led an attack against american soldiers.
i dont like hearing about some 18 year old kid getting blown up while walking around baghdad, and i wasn't happy when jake (in full protective avatar gear) killed dozens of his compatriots
the love story was complete bullshit and unbelievable, actually the entire script was utter failure
visually of course it was stunning
everything else, terrible
if it wasnt 3d, it would be just a good animation movie
more like Avaturd (Avatard is also acceptable)
the hurt locker kicked avatar's arse at the baftas. it pretty much cleaned up all the top awards. hoping to see the same thing at the oscars.
a serious man should win ever oscar including special effects, cinematography , art direction, and score
Quote from: nonesuch on Feb 22, 2010, 10:16 PM
a serious man should win ever oscar including special effects, cinematography , art direction, and score
you know what? i saw that today and really wasn't THAT impressed with it. the cinematography was good, it was humorous, and i think i understood that ending.
and I'm as big a Coen Bros fan as there can possibly be, but after one viewing I definitely don't consider it as one of their top movies (or one of the best of 2009 for that matter).
watch it again. it might be their most subtle film, but if you pay attention (at least for me) every line of dialogue is pure genius
oh i will. i'm hoping it has the same effect Big Lebowski had on me. didn't really get it the first time, but now it's my favorite movie ever.