http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSTRE56F5MK20090717
Who recorded Frasier over my moon landing tape? ALVIN!!!!!!!!!!
El oh fuckin' el
It never really happened anyways.
Quote from: Jacob on Jul 19, 2009, 04:20 AM
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 19, 2009, 02:40 AM
It never really happened anyways.
word.
someone must've watched that documentary on FOX way back in the day
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jul 19, 2009, 05:54 AM
Quote from: Jacob on Jul 19, 2009, 04:20 AM
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 19, 2009, 02:40 AM
It never really happened anyways.
word.
someone must've watched that documentary on FOX way back in the day
nope, I've just read about it a lot.
I saw a "mockumentary" on it though - they made it like a real documentary with all these facts and evidence that it's a hoax, then ended it off with revealing that everyone in it was an actor etc. pretty funny.
Quote from: devilinside on Jul 19, 2009, 02:40 AM
It never really happened anyways.
if you're serious i'm gonna rape your face.
you do realize that it probably actually didn't happen when they said it did, right?
its unbelievable. lied to over and over and over and over again... nothing is true, and no one can prove it!
you can pretty much prove it through logic
Anyone smart would know America wasn't the first on the moon anyway and i just think it's so convinient that they 'lost' the tapes.
Seriously, if it was so important they would've had a million copies of that landing, just to be sure, it's like they're saying ''we lost the original landing tapes, so we've recorded a re-creation of the events''
well the news copies of it are being "touched up" by a major special effects company as we speak
the ministry of TRUTH decides what the past was
the ministry of LOVE makes us all feel warm and fuzzy
the ministry of homeland securtiy says go to the cell at the end of the hall
either way you look at this, you're admitting that some things aren't always as they seem.
A LOT of things are not as they seem bro. Most things actually. The more I educate myself, the more I realize this.
Yeah Slipknot said it best ''Nothing is what it seems!''
And just like you said Trey, as you learn and experience things in life, the truer the statement becomes.
Anything really is possible!
Well so many things go on due to apathy and ignorance. They dont really even try to cover it up because they know the large majority of people don't, and never will care enough to try to figure out what really happened. So it doesn't even take all that much research or intelligence to figure out whats really going on.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:08 PM
Well so many things go on due to apathy and ignorance. They dont really even try to cover it up because they know the large majority of people don't, and never will care enough to try to figure out what really happened. So it doesn't even take all that much research or intelligence to figure out whats really going on.
I know, i don't care what anyone says 9/11 was an inside job, it's so frigging obvious. But the people behind it are too powerful and too rich to be touched on it, the media won't touch it because the media aren't out for justice, they're the smokescreen.
People in general really are just docile and stupid, no ambition, no drive. Just, let's work, shag, get drunk and die. Losers.
It still drives me batty that people accept whatever is said in newspapers or on the news as gospel truth, i don't even read or watch the news anymore, i feel like i'm just being lied to and it's one big joke, which it really is.
You pretty much are being lied to, mislead, or just have some idiot talking to you that genuinly has no idea what they are talking to.
I'm in the middle on the 911 thing. But it doesn't matter to me, because either way we didn't need everything that came after it.
Of the all conspiracies out there, the moon-landing one is the stupidest.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:15 PM
You pretty much are being lied to, mislead, or just have some idiot talking to you that genuinly has no idea what they are talking to.
I'm in the middle on the 911 thing. But it doesn't matter to me, because either way we didn't need everything that came after it.
That's the point, the greedy rich white men did though and it brought a great excuse to go to war and to get everyone behind it, because of those 'dang terrorists' ha, please.
But it doesn't matter to me either now, it's been almost a decade and there's fuck all that can be done.
Quote from: raynor on Jul 23, 2009, 11:16 PM
Of the all conspiracies out there, the moon-landing one is the stupidest.
Of all the people to post in this thread, you're the stupidest
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 23, 2009, 11:16 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:15 PM
You pretty much are being lied to, mislead, or just have some idiot talking to you that genuinly has no idea what they are talking to.
I'm in the middle on the 911 thing. But it doesn't matter to me, because either way we didn't need everything that came after it.
That's the point, the greedy rich white men did though and it brought a great excuse to go to war and to get everyone behind it, because of those 'dang terrorists' ha, please.
But it doesn't matter to me either now, it's been almost a decade and there's fuck all that can be done.
True. Except our governments could change their foreign policies ( for real, not some fake Obama change ) and actually go back and reverse what we have done since 911. Kind of take a step in the right direction, you know?
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:21 PM
Quote from: raynor on Jul 23, 2009, 11:16 PM
Of the all conspiracies out there, the moon-landing one is the stupidest.
Of all the people to post in this thread, you're the stupidest
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 23, 2009, 11:16 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:15 PM
You pretty much are being lied to, mislead, or just have some idiot talking to you that genuinly has no idea what they are talking to.
I'm in the middle on the 911 thing. But it doesn't matter to me, because either way we didn't need everything that came after it.
That's the point, the greedy rich white men did though and it brought a great excuse to go to war and to get everyone behind it, because of those 'dang terrorists' ha, please.
But it doesn't matter to me either now, it's been almost a decade and there's fuck all that can be done.
True. Except our governments could change their foreign policies ( for real, not some fake Obama change ) and actually go back and reverse what we have done since 911. Kind of take a step in the right direction, you know?
Yeah i know, but i don't know.
Untill people realise the true value of life, the greedy ones will always get away with such corruption. The Watchmen movie covers this whole topic perfectly, i love that film. I really do need to read the graphic novel though..
enlighten me with you moon-landing theory then kiddo
I haven' seen it. Maybe Ill have to go rent it now.
But you're right. Most people don't realize the human cost of our foreign policies. I think thats where a lot of my views started getting shaped. When I saw how much it cost everyone. NATO troops and families back home, and also the Afghans and Iraqis not to mention all the other countries we are fucking with hard core.
Quote from: raynor on Jul 23, 2009, 11:23 PM
enlighten me with you moon-landing theory then kiddo
enlighten me with why you think it did happen? Because Cronkite told you it really did happen?
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:24 PM
I haven' seen it. Maybe Ill have to go rent it now.
But you're right. Most people don't realize the human cost of our foreign policies. I think thats where a lot of my views started getting shaped. When I saw how much it cost everyone. NATO troops and families back home, and also the Afghans and Iraqis not to mention all the other countries we are fucking with hard core.
Aye exactly, all these innocent people who didn't ask to exist in these times are getting majorly butt fucked for nothing. But then aslong as there is humanity, there will be wars, as they say.
Check out The Watchmen though man, it's three hours long, the uncut version is four hours, i need to get that. It's brilliant, it's just funny at how true the story is and how it relates to the times we live in and it's based on super heroes and set in the 60s!
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:26 PM
Quote from: raynor on Jul 23, 2009, 11:23 PM
enlighten me with you moon-landing theory then kiddo
enlighten me with why you think it did happen? Because Cronkite told you it really did happen?
I asked first. But alright, it's quite simple. Why would they lie? Too beat the russian, sure sure. But why havn't the russian told us the truth yet, if it really didn't happen. Also because all the theories that actually go against it are: dipshit. They're just grasping for straws. It's like "well there wern't enough dust on the landing feet" or "there were no stars on the pictures" or "ooh ooh crooked shadows". I mean we've all take pictures in the dark, and you need a shutter speed of seconds to actually capture stars, if even that. And on a sunny day, you see crooked shadows everywhere, the ground makes shadows bend. If you have a better theory, as a I said, please present it.
But do you in all seriousness think it was filmed in a studio?
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 23, 2009, 11:29 PM
Check out The Watchmen though man, it's three hours long, the uncut version is four hours, i need to get that. It's brilliant, it's just funny at how true the story is and how it relates to the times we live in and it's based on super heroes and set in the 60s!
Theatrical cut is 2 hours 40 mins. Director's Cut is 3 hours.
Quote from: penguin in the desert on Jul 23, 2009, 11:37 PM
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 23, 2009, 11:29 PM
Check out The Watchmen though man, it's three hours long, the uncut version is four hours, i need to get that. It's brilliant, it's just funny at how true the story is and how it relates to the times we live in and it's based on super heroes and set in the 60s!
Theatrical cut is 2 hours 40 mins. Director's Cut is 3 hours.
Ahh yes my bad sorry, i downloaded it that's why.
any way to get someone to see the Watchmen. loved that movie, and the directors is definitely the way to go.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jul 23, 2009, 11:58 PM
any way to get someone to see the Watchmen. loved that movie, and the directors is definitely the way to go.
Yeah, the Directors Cut is worth the extra time!
My comic book geek friend says there's gonna be an Uncut version that will be 4 hours though?
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 23, 2009, 11:29 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:24 PM
I haven' seen it. Maybe Ill have to go rent it now.
But you're right. Most people don't realize the human cost of our foreign policies. I think thats where a lot of my views started getting shaped. When I saw how much it cost everyone. NATO troops and families back home, and also the Afghans and Iraqis not to mention all the other countries we are fucking with hard core.
Aye exactly, all these innocent people who didn't ask to exist in these times are getting majorly butt fucked for nothing. But then aslong as there is humanity, there will be wars, as they say.
Check out The Watchmen though man, it's three hours long, the uncut version is four hours, i need to get that. It's brilliant, it's just funny at how true the story is and how it relates to the times we live in and it's based on super heroes and set in the 60s!
If I wasn't so fucking exhausted I would go rent it and watch it tonight......who knows, maybe I still will. If not, ill do it tomorrow because I'm sick as fuck and dont want to do anything but lay on my couch all weekend.
But that is one of the worst things about all these wars. Are the innocent locals who are just getting FUCKED up because of this war. I mean, trust me, from first hand experience, most of it is totally unintentional by our forces. But shit happens you know. And you can't explain human collateral damage the people suffering the loss. Shit, you cant explain it to me, because its bull shit.
I know what you mean about humans and war. But at the very least, it shouldn't exist in free societies.
Quote from: raynor on Jul 23, 2009, 11:33 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 23, 2009, 11:26 PM
Quote from: raynor on Jul 23, 2009, 11:23 PM
enlighten me with you moon-landing theory then kiddo
enlighten me with why you think it did happen? Because Cronkite told you it really did happen?
I asked first. But alright, it's quite simple. Why would they lie? Too beat the russian, sure sure. But why havn't the russian told us the truth yet, if it really didn't happen. Also because all the theories that actually go against it are: dipshit. They're just grasping for straws. It's like "well there wern't enough dust on the landing feet" or "there were no stars on the pictures" or "ooh ooh crooked shadows". I mean we've all take pictures in the dark, and you need a shutter speed of seconds to actually capture stars, if even that. And on a sunny day, you see crooked shadows everywhere, the ground makes shadows bend. If you have a better theory, as a I said, please present it.
But do you in all seriousness think it was filmed in a studio?
Uh it wasnt just about beating the Russians. The cold war was no joke. Two super powers that powerful that were competing and on the verge of global destruction. Yeah, each wanted to establish themselves as the best and most powerful. The Soviet Union were the first in space. The U.S. needed a victory. Thats called motive.
The rest of it. Honestly, I don't really know enough about it to really have this discussion. I just called you stupid because you just made an empty statement without any reasons. I knew it would spur a better response from you.
Quote from: Subliminal on Jul 23, 2009, 10:57 PM
Yeah Slipknot said it best ''Nothing is what it seems!''
and Radiohead: "Just because you feel it, doesn't mean is there"
I'm in Vietnam right now, where over 3 million civilians were killed, was recently in Cambodia and Laos where America waged the "Secret War" and massacred millions more, and i can tell all of you that what we (America) have and continue to do is FUCKED in serious way. When a child with no legs because she stepped on a mine that America dropped there decades ago drags their body across the ground to beg you for a dollar you realize that America is the bad guy.
Not American's of course but our government was siezed in a hostile takeover a 100 years ago
The moon landing was bullshit in my opinion because of the fact that we have done basically nothing since it. we were landing on the moon in the 60s supposedly but i doubt we could land someone on the moon today, Basically in 40 YEARS the best weve done is put a useless space station in our orbit, we havent even updated the 20 year old Hubble Telescope, the shuttles are ancient, NASA fell apart
It could be due to funding, but i think it was a tool to gain hegemony and it worked
i just watched some seriously convincing footage
the moon landing was COMPLETELY fake, never happened
do you have a link to that footage? I'd very much like to see it.
but I gotta say, I don't believe in using "we have done basically nothing since it" as an argument. there were several more supposed moon landings within 3 years after the first one. and to be honest, what reason did they have (or still do have) to go there again? except for the experience, of course. if landing on the moon is even possible, the costs must be so huge that they just can't justify going there again - I'm willing to believe that.
or maybe they found something there that just makes them want not to go back ;)
all in all though, I'm very open to the idea that it never happened. and this whole thing with losing the tapes only pushes me more over the fence.
alright watch these videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vrge-8F6rw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE&NR=1
and just do some research
;911 was an inside job
we never went to the moon
pluto is not a planet
chistopher columbus never stepped foot on mainland america
the world is not a scary dangerous place
there is no santa, tooth fairy, or closet monster
but yes you will get cramps and drown if you go swimming within 30 minutes of eating
nice, I will check thise when I get home. thanks.
but actually, you do not get cramps if you go swimming within 30 minutes of eating. why would you? it's an old myth, told to children for some reason I forgot.
and it's no big secret that pluto is not a planet ;)
first, people should learn how to walk in the earth
Quote from: nonesuch on Jul 24, 2009, 08:51 AM
alright watch these videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vrge-8F6rw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE&NR=1
and just do some research
;911 was an inside job
we never went to the moon
pluto is not a planet
chistopher columbus never stepped foot on mainland america
the world is not a scary dangerous place
there is no santa, tooth fairy, or closet monster
but yes you will get cramps and drown if you go swimming within 30 minutes of eating
Those videos are pretty cool.
saw this on FOX like a decade ago, way back when I was young and believed everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5MVVtFYTSo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b309_YspwMk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1CpNoI4WGc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8qzDJwYjro&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiCKy41zZMU&feature=related
Quote from: Jacob on Jul 24, 2009, 07:32 AM
do you have a link to that footage? I'd very much like to see it.
but I gotta say, I don't believe in using "we have done basically nothing since it" as an argument. there were several more supposed moon landings within 3 years after the first one. and to be honest, what reason did they have (or still do have) to go there again? except for the experience, of course. if landing on the moon is even possible, the costs must be so huge that they just can't justify going there again - I'm willing to believe that.
or maybe they found something there that just makes them want not to go back ;)
all in all though, I'm very open to the idea that it never happened. and this whole thing with losing the tapes only pushes me more over the fence.
Why go all the way there and not want to go back to it? To film it's landscape with better cameras and shit like that. If their space craft had less processing power than our mobile phones, then why can't we go back in a snap?
NASA has plenty of money.
I'm just wondering if the Mars landing will be a hoax... or we can't be fooled as easily today, hence why they've never attempted it.
brb, tin foil hat
good call
thats what im sayn subliminal
dont give me that, "we don't need to go there anymore" bullshit
in 40 years FORTY motherfucking years we havent even put a person into outer orbit much less out into open space. Apparently there is some massive radiation belt around earth that humans can't cross without being melted or something
And if we could then, then we should have fucking honeymooners going to the moon and research labs and all that by now. Think about how far technology has come in 40 years, Personal computers didnt even exist. The laptop im typing on right now probably has more computing power than the whole fucking space program did then. And now the original tapes were "lost" and the copies of the copies are being "touched up" by a hollywood special effects company. Its a fucking joke
What blows me away is how anyone can believe the bullshit that is being fed to them
It's all crazy! It's all false! its all a dream!
its alright
I gotta disagree. launching men into space and landing on the moon must be the most expensive and risky experiments you can imagine. a lot of people have died because of exploding rockets and other malfunctions. and in those cases, all the money, time and effort put into the mission was completely wasted. not to mention the lives lost.
I think we're more interested in sending unmanned vehicles into space, and robots to take pictures and samples.
but yes, I will agree when you say that in 40 years space technology should have moved forward a bit more. but maybe it has? we definitely don't know everything, we only know what NASA lets us know.
like I said, I would not be surprised in the least if the first moon landing was a hoax. maybe even every single one after that. but the argument "if we did it 40 years ago, why not do it again?" doesn't hold up imo. if all there is to do on the moon is to take even more rock samples, better photographs, place yet another flag and say "hey, look at me - I'm on the moon!" I can't imagine they can justify that with the costs and the risks for human life. hell, I even read a quote from someone somewhere saying that the first mission was way more risky than what we would have accepted by todays standards.
There are a million reasons to go "back" to the moon
They could produce near perfect bearings in the low gravity, build a last resort bunker in case of a cataclysmic event, mine the damn thing, Put a telescope that would blow the hubble away, perform innumerable scientific experiments, build a giant laser beam to shoot the chinese with, the list goes on
we dont because we cant
It was simply a matter of gaining hegemony during the cold war, and it worked
Quote from: nonesuch on Jul 25, 2009, 10:44 AM
There are a million reasons to go "back" to the moon
They could produce near perfect bearings in the low gravity, build a last resort bunker in case of a cataclysmic event, mine the damn thing, Put a telescope that would blow the hubble away, perform innumerable scientific experiments, build a giant laser beam to shoot the chinese with, the list goes on
we dont because we cant
It was simply a matter of gaining hegemony during the cold war, and it worked
Exactly, we can't go back, because it didn't happen.
It's still hilarious that America wasn't the first, the answers are all out there but the people just go ''Oh the anniversary of the moon landings in todays newspaper'' i'll just buy that.
if we weren't first, who was?
wait, so you think the US can't go to the moon, but the Soviet Union did?
Quote from: Jacob on Jul 25, 2009, 12:11 PM
wait, so you think the US can't go to the moon, but the Soviet Union did?
No, the U.S couldn't be arsed and didn't go. They clearly couldn't have the Soviet Union making it first, so they had to do one better and land on it. That's why you never hear in the papers or the news ''the Soviet Union had a craft land but smash to bits on the Moon, but the US landed and put the first man on the Moon''
That video of the illusion of them looking at the Earth from their spacecraft just proves to me the US thing was a whole hoax.
so you think the Soviets landed on the moon (with humans) prior to 1969, but didn't publicize it? Then when the Americans went, the Soviets still didn't prove we faked the whole thing? They just let us claim we were the first to have put man on the moon?
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jul 25, 2009, 12:46 PM
so you think the Soviets landed on the moon (with humans) prior to 1969, but didn't publicize it? Then when the Americans went, the Soviets still didn't prove we faked the whole thing? They just let us claim we were the first to have put man on the moon?
I didn't say (with humans) they were technically the first to land on the Moon with their space craft, which was destroyed.
oh ok. yeah that is common knowledge then.
September 1959 = first man-made object to crash land on the moon (Soviet)
February 1966 = first images from surface (Soviet)
December 1968 = first humans to orbit moon (U.S.)
blates a fake after watching the youtube documentary. the NASA spokesman doesnt give any reasons in defence of the speculations, and even watching the footage of the first moon landing it looks just fake, even if it was the 60's.
what about all the other landings on the moon?
Quote from: Nailec on Jul 25, 2009, 08:03 PM
what about all the other landings on the moon?
People seem to forget that there were many moon landings.
Also, I suggest everyone that is curious about NASA's fallacies go out and buy Dark Mission by a Mr. Richard Hoagland. The guy is a little insane to say the least, but if you can get past some of the stuff that is obvious old man craziness, there are some unbelievably interesting things in NASA and I highly suggest checking it out.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Aug 23, 2009, 12:26 AM
Quote from: Nailec on Jul 25, 2009, 08:03 PM
what about all the other landings on the moon?
People seem to forget that there were many moon landings.
no, it's been brought up. the general idea for people who think the first one was a hoax believe they were all hoaxes, saying it's actually impossible to go that far.
its always amusing to see how creative anti-american ideology can be