http://www.kfc.com/doubledown/ (http://www.kfc.com/doubledown/)
Does anyone seriously order this?
Gross.
I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.
and we wonder why America is so fucking fat......
"You should try everything in life once, except incest and folk dance"
I'm adding that snack to the quote.
that's the picture that will come to my mind now whenever someone mentions a cumfart or i hear a girl queef
Quote from: Jacob on Apr 19, 2010, 05:36 PM
I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.
That's exactly what i was thinking, that thing would be amazing after a night out. The UK is so uptight since Jamie Oliver told everyone off for eating what they like.
The problem isn't the food, it's the fat fucks who have no self control or self respect and end up burdening the NHS with tripple heart bypasses. It means those who are responsible with what they eat are now being fucked over, take the banning of 'super sizing' at McDonalds as an example.
Quote from: Jacob on Apr 19, 2010, 05:36 PM
I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.
we are just prepared for the coming wheat shortage all others will follow suit
The Fast Food Industry's 7 Most Heinous Concoctions (http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_18959.cfm)
Hilarious, and yes, we are insane.
I saw a commercial for this the other day...I don't know how I feel about that. If it were a NORMAL portion it might be good,but I bet it's ginormous.
Quote from: Livewire on Apr 19, 2010, 08:12 PM
The Fast Food Industry's 7 Most Heinous Concoctions (http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_18959.cfm)
Hilarious, and yes, we are insane.
I have to say as long as you didn't eat them everyday a lot of the stuff on that list looks awesome! ;D
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 19, 2010, 06:27 PM
Quote from: Jacob on Apr 19, 2010, 05:36 PM
I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.
That's exactly what i was thinking, that thing would be amazing after a night out. The UK is so uptight since Jamie Oliver told everyone off for eating what they like.
The problem isn't the food, it's the fat fucks who have no self control or self respect and end up burdening the NHS with tripple heart bypasses. It means those who are responsible with what they eat are now being fucked over, take the banning of 'super sizing' at McDonalds as an example.
Exactly. I wanna eat what the fuck I want. McDonald's tastes fucking good and I want it bigger because it tastes more fucking good. I'm not fat and even if I was, it wouldn't be their fault. They don't make me buy it.
I'm in the US right now and there's food everywhere. It tastes good and it's cheap. I love it.
Quote from: Livewire on Apr 19, 2010, 08:12 PM
The Fast Food Industry's 7 Most Heinous Concoctions (http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_18959.cfm)
Hilarious, and yes, we are insane.
I'm so fucking hungry right now :o
I'd easily down one of those Monster Thickburgers.
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 19, 2010, 06:27 PM
Quote from: Jacob on Apr 19, 2010, 05:36 PM
I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.
That's exactly what i was thinking, that thing would be amazing after a night out. The UK is so uptight since Jamie Oliver told everyone off for eating what they like.
The problem isn't the food, it's the fat fucks who have no self control or self respect and end up burdening the NHS with tripple heart bypasses. It means those who are responsible with what they eat are now being fucked over, take the banning of 'super sizing' at McDonalds as an example.
the food is APART of the problem. as far as i'm concerned, we will have less health problems if we start shutting these arseholes down. it's great you have self control but a large number of people don't.
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 19, 2010, 06:27 PM
Quote from: Jacob on Apr 19, 2010, 05:36 PM
I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.
That's exactly what i was thinking, that thing would be amazing after a night out. The UK is so uptight since Jamie Oliver told everyone off for eating what they like.
The problem isn't the food, it's the fat fucks who have no self control or self respect and end up burdening the NHS with tripple heart bypasses. It means those who are responsible with what they eat are now being fucked over, take the banning of 'super sizing' at McDonalds as an example.
I have a Jamie Oliver cast aluminum pan that is probably the greatest piece of cookware I have ever owned. This is coming from someone that also has all clad stuff.
That is fucking disgusting. Even if I weren't a vegetarian, I STILL wouldn't touch that.
Quote from: ToneDef on Apr 19, 2010, 09:43 PM
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 19, 2010, 06:27 PM
Quote from: Jacob on Apr 19, 2010, 05:36 PM
I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.
That's exactly what i was thinking, that thing would be amazing after a night out. The UK is so uptight since Jamie Oliver told everyone off for eating what they like.
The problem isn't the food, it's the fat fucks who have no self control or self respect and end up burdening the NHS with tripple heart bypasses. It means those who are responsible with what they eat are now being fucked over, take the banning of 'super sizing' at McDonalds as an example.
Exactly. I wanna eat what the fuck I want. McDonald's tastes fucking good and I want it bigger because it tastes more fucking good. I'm not fat and even if I was, it wouldn't be their fault. They don't make me buy it.
I'm in the US right now and there's food everywhere. It tastes good and it's cheap. I love it.
Where are you, man? You heading my way at all?
I'm in Davenport, FL man. You're in Seattle, right? I'm only here on an extended 'vacation' right now. I was due to fly home Friday just gone but that volcano decided to fucking own me. There have been no flights in and out of the UK since it happened. My friend is in Miami and I think he's due to fly back in the morning. If he does, that's good news for me as I got a flight booked for Wednesday morning. If that shit is cancelled I'm gonna be out here a while longer.
I'm with British Airways and they've been cool as fuck. My friend flew with them too and they have paid for extra accommodation and food and stuff for him and his girl. They kept us updated with everything. Apparently, American Airlines have been real shitty though. They sent letters out to their passengers informing them that they're basically not gonna help them (not that they should though, I guess) and when I was speaking to another British guy the other day (after the volcano shit) who flew with them, he said how they wanted him and his family to go check in at their airport the next morning, even though there was no way anybody was gonna be flying for a few days. Crazy shit man.
Lame dude.
You're basically as far away from Seattle as you can get without leaving the states. If for whatever reason you end up in my neck of the woods, I'll buy you a beer, man. We have some of the best beer in the country. Unless you like that Milwaukee lager crap. In which case you'd like all beer the country has to offer except west coast beer. And Colorado beer. Colorado has some pretty decent beer.
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Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 19, 2010, 06:27 PM
Quote from: Jacob on Apr 19, 2010, 05:36 PM
I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.
That's exactly what i was thinking, that thing would be amazing after a night out. The UK is so uptight since Jamie Oliver told everyone off for eating what they like.
The problem isn't the food, it's the fat fucks who have no self control or self respect and end up burdening the NHS with tripple heart bypasses. It means those who are responsible with what they eat are now being fucked over, take the banning of 'super sizing' at McDonalds as an example.
the food is APART of the problem. as far as i'm concerned, we will have less health problems if we start shutting these arseholes down. it's great you have self control but a large number of people don't.
You could say that about anything, if you take that view then they should have banned alcohol decades ago. The problem is education, parental upbringing and people lacking common sense. I know KFC and Mcdonalds taste good, i'd like to eat them every day but i'd be dead and for the vast amount of people that is an obvious fact.
I'd rather the Government passed a bill requiring fast food franchises to have a set of electronic weight scales set up at the entrance manned by a security guard. If you're too fat you are directed to a running track adjacent the drive thru, if you complete twelve laps in 24/hrs you may make a single purchase with diet coke. This would also provide entertainment for those sitting in the drive thru and those dining inside, this would drum up business and counter the severe losses in revenue associated with banning fat asses.
nigga fuck yo shit
http://www.heartattackgrill.com/ (http://www.heartattackgrill.com/)
double bypass burger up in herrrrre
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 20, 2010, 08:54 AM
Quote from: blixa on Apr 20, 2010, 01:24 AM
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 19, 2010, 06:27 PM
Quote from: Jacob on Apr 19, 2010, 05:36 PM
I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.
That's exactly what i was thinking, that thing would be amazing after a night out. The UK is so uptight since Jamie Oliver told everyone off for eating what they like.
The problem isn't the food, it's the fat fucks who have no self control or self respect and end up burdening the NHS with tripple heart bypasses. It means those who are responsible with what they eat are now being fucked over, take the banning of 'super sizing' at McDonalds as an example.
the food is APART of the problem. as far as i'm concerned, we will have less health problems if we start shutting these arseholes down. it's great you have self control but a large number of people don't.
You could say that about anything, if you take that view then they should have banned alcohol decades ago. The problem is education, parental upbringing and people lacking common sense. I know KFC and Mcdonalds taste good, i'd like to eat them every day but i'd be dead and for the vast amount of people that is an obvious fact.
I'd rather the Government passed a bill requiring fast food franchises to have a set of electronic weight scales set up at the entrance manned by a security guard. If you're too fat you are directed to a running track adjacent the drive thru, if you complete twelve laps in 24/hrs you may make a single purchase with diet coke. This would also provide entertainment for those sitting in the drive thru and those dining inside, this would drum up business and counter the severe losses in revenue associated with banning fat asses.
you
can say that about everything. it's like if i stood there and made a gun shape with my hand and went "bang bang" it's not going to do shit. i'm actually going to need a gun to kill somebody. don't stop at alcohol, go for cigarettes, dairy products, drugs etc.
you can educate people as much as you want, it's going to come down to people controlling themselves and making choices. we've already established the fact that most people can't control themselves, wouldn't it be better if fast food companies did something as well. in australia they're raising the price of cigarette packets and alcohol. i work in a liquor shop so i am seeing the direct impact of those price hikes and when i get underage kids and drunks coming in, i refuse to sell them alcohol. some big industries have taken measures but fast food companies are way behind. kfc is the biggest evil in my eyes. it'll be a dream come true if it just fucking disappeared.
you can't tell how unhealthy a person is by their weight. i have a friend who is overweight yet she eats very healthy food and another friend who is a stick and eats oporto and mcdonalds every day. there's thyroid problems and stress and god knows what else. i'm not innocent in all this. i love fried food, i smoke A LOT and i drink shitloads of coffee. i am great at controlling myself though, especially around alcohol. i haven't gotten plastered in a very very long time.
I think now the fast food companies have printed dietry info on all their products, they are playing fair, people know what they are buying into, they know how many calories they are consuming. What I would say the fast food industry is very guilty of is marketing towards kids.
what the fast food industry has done now is charge more for meals which have decreased in size.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 20, 2010, 07:18 AM
And Colorado beer. Colorado has some pretty decent beer.
Fuckin A We do! :-)
Quote from: Wax And Wane on Apr 20, 2010, 05:07 PM
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 20, 2010, 07:18 AM
And Colorado beer. Colorado has some pretty decent beer.
Fuckin A We do! :-)
http://www.averybrewing.com/index2.html (http://www.averybrewing.com/index2.html)
These guys make good shit. There's this bar that I go to that has 64 beers on tap and they had the Avery IPA once and fuck me it was good. Also, that bar is the shit. 64 beers on tap, man. And they're always changing. You're an idiot if you don't try something new when you go there.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 20, 2010, 07:18 AM
Colorado has some pretty decent beer.
got that right. Fat Tire is from the CO. one of my favorites.
Fat Tire is overrated. New Belgium makes faaaaaaaar better and more flavorful beers like Trippel and Ranger.
Trust me bros, you guys haven't tasted a single good beer in that country of yours.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 20, 2010, 06:50 PM
Fat Tire is overrated. New Belgium makes faaaaaaaar better and more flavorful beers like Trippel and Ranger.
Agreed, I also like the 1554. I think my favorite out of Colorado is Breckenridge. They have an awesome vanilla porter.
Quote from: Penicks on Apr 20, 2010, 07:25 PM
Trust me bros, you guys haven't tasted a single good beer in that country of yours.
If you're talking about shit like Budweiser and Coors I agree, but I wouldn't be so quick to judge a lot of these small craft breweries.
Quote from: blixa on Apr 20, 2010, 02:08 PM
you can't tell how unhealthy a person is by their weight. i have a friend who is overweight yet she eats very healthy food and another friend who is a stick and eats oporto and mcdonalds every day. there's thyroid problems and stress and god knows what else.
This is very true. I tested positive for thyroid issues,and have been the chubby girl forever. That said,I am very active,kickbox 3 hours a week, walk 3 miles a day,do yoga every morning and coach my kids soccer teams...yet my weight stays the same. I've had younger,thinner girls in my kickboxing class that quit 15 minutes into it,yet I keep going for the full hour. I eat 3-5 small portions a day like I am supposed to to keep my energy up,drink a gallon of water a day to flush out fat...still nothing. I do avoid fried foods,mainly because the smell makes me feel sick. But I have come to terms with my body,and know that while I might not be rail thin,I can still out do many people younger and thinner than myself,and I have damn healthy heart and lungs and killer stamina.
this is not a good topic, i just did a 3 mile jog which is rare enough for me now all i want is a double down
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 20, 2010, 05:56 PM
Quote from: Wax And Wane on Apr 20, 2010, 05:07 PM
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 20, 2010, 07:18 AM
And Colorado beer. Colorado has some pretty decent beer.
Fuckin A We do! :-)
http://www.averybrewing.com/index2.html (http://www.averybrewing.com/index2.html)
These guys make good shit. There's this bar that I go to that has 64 beers on tap and they had the Avery IPA once and fuck me it was good. Also, that bar is the shit. 64 beers on tap, man. And they're always changing. You're an idiot if you don't try something new when you go there.
http://www.odellbrewing.com/home (http://www.odellbrewing.com/home) ;D Love our local beer
Saying american beer is shit is textbook for trying to be a pretentious snob. On a hot summer day a budweiser or a rolling rock can be awesome.
And if you're really thirsty you can always ask somebody to take a leak in your mouth, won't notice the difference anyway.
Quote from: Penicks on Apr 20, 2010, 09:41 PM
And if you're really thirsty you can always ask somebody to take a leak in your mouth, won't notice the difference anyway.
hahahahaha! that comment is correct about most of our major companies(asshouse, old pyle, bud, etc.), but we have thousands and thousands of micro-breweries that are the tits.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 20, 2010, 07:18 AM
Lame dude.
You're basically as far away from Seattle as you can get without leaving the states. If for whatever reason you end up in my neck of the woods, I'll buy you a beer, man. We have some of the best beer in the country. Unless you like that Milwaukee lager crap. In which case you'd like all beer the country has to offer except west coast beer. And Colorado beer. Colorado has some pretty decent beer.
4 real, seattle haz da best beer and sushi. also the weather is the best in the entire country. seattle is awesome!
Quote from: Penicks on Apr 20, 2010, 07:25 PM
Trust me bros, you guys haven't tasted a single good beer in that country of yours.
If you think that because the only American beer that you have tasted has been exported to whatever shit country you're in, then you have absolutely no idea what our beer is like. The only american beers that get exported are horrible Milwaukee-style piss lager. It's terrible.
From what I understand, most of the hops grown in the states is grown in Washington, Oregon and Idaho, so where I am is going to have the freshest goddamn hops around. You have never had an American beer until you've had beer brewed in the northwest.
Stone brewing co. makes some delicious beer here in the states
besides that .....
Belgium and Germany own all
ohh and to stay on topic.... this sandwich is even further proof that marijuana will be legalized in the U.S. very soon
i jsut fell in love with that "burger"
next time im gonna have barbecue i will copy that thingand it will be awesome.
btw another interesting point to the former discussion: there is evidence that fat makes addicted so you can say there are similarities between alcohol abuse and excessive fast food eating.
imho this would speak for more governmental intervention, at least to protect our kids.
Ok, I had this... they have grilled or original.. I tried bites from both. They are not huge, it's just regular sandwich size, and it was GOOD.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 21, 2010, 07:31 AM
Quote from: Penicks on Apr 20, 2010, 07:25 PM
Trust me bros, you guys haven't tasted a single good beer in that country of yours.
If you think that because the only American beer that you have tasted has been exported to whatever shit country you're in, then you have absolutely no idea what our beer is like. The only american beers that get exported are horrible Milwaukee-style piss lager. It's terrible.
From what I understand, most of the hops grown in the states is grown in Washington, Oregon and Idaho, so where I am is going to have the freshest goddamn hops around. You have never had an American beer until you've had beer brewed in the northwest.
Belgium, motherfucker. Our mothers actually leak beer from their tits instead of milk.
Also I'd like to thank America for creating Subway, which is absolutely amazing.
Quote from: Penicks on Apr 21, 2010, 06:45 PM
Also I'd like to thank America for creating Subway, which is absolutely amazing.
Subway is the shiz!
I've only tried like 3 different kinds but all of them were godlike. I can't wait to try more. Expensive though. But somehow, it's worth it.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 21, 2010, 07:31 AM
If you think that because the only American beer that you have tasted has been exported to whatever shit country you're in, then you have absolutely no idea what our beer is like.
Lol ?
Penicks and I are from Belgium. Beer is the pride of the country. Get your infos right, man.
Anyone into weissbier? Love that shit. Weissbier + a well made wienerschnitzel = awesomeness.
Didn't know you guys were Belgian, lols.
I've had imported Belgian beer and was unimpressed, but I can only imagine what it tasted like before it was imported and I also assume that the only Belgian beer that is exported is like the beer we export, in the fact that it's the stuff that beer connoisseurs avoid.
Quote from: raynor on Apr 21, 2010, 07:49 PM
Anyone into weissbier? Love that shit. Weissbier + a well made wienerschnitzel = awesomeness.
yeah, I fucking love weissbier. I always bring some home from Germany whenever I visit.
there's a really good french one you can get at Systembolaget here in Sweden too:
(http://www.cottingham.com.tw/c/images/stories/kronblanc.png)
try these http://www.drinkfour.com/ (http://www.drinkfour.com/) http://www.drinkjoose.com/ (http://www.drinkjoose.com/)
Quote from: Penicks on Apr 21, 2010, 07:22 PM
I've only tried like 3 different kinds but all of them were godlike. I can't wait to try more. Expensive though. But somehow, it's worth it.
I like how over there it's apparently expensive, but over here we have the $5 footlong.
Quote from: wax on Apr 21, 2010, 11:25 PM
try these http://www.drinkfour.com/ (http://www.drinkfour.com/) http://www.drinkjoose.com/ (http://www.drinkjoose.com/)
NO
Lol. And now this is the beer thread. ;D
i know it's cheap shitty beer but Pabst is the shit when your wallets a little skinny.
I go Rainier if I'm broke. Slightly more than Pabst, but quite a bit better.
(http://brewdude.net/12-REDOVAL.jpg)
I just had this the other day. This is by far, THE WORST beer I have ever tasted. BUT IT'S FUCKING 2.99 FOR A SIX PACK. Ridiculous.
(http://www.thedieline.com/.a/6a00d8345250f069e20120a72a3450970b-550wi)
ohhh, it's so good.
when i'm really desperate i'll get a 40 of olde english...that shit taste like straight up plastic.
now it's the favourite cheap beer thread.
I had Simpler Times once. I'm not a big beer drinker, but that was just God awful.
That is fattening as fuck :o
Quote from: Jacob on Apr 21, 2010, 08:24 PM
Quote from: raynor on Apr 21, 2010, 07:49 PM
Anyone into weissbier? Love that shit. Weissbier + a well made wienerschnitzel = awesomeness.
yeah, I fucking love weissbier. I always bring some home from Germany whenever I visit.
there's a really good french one you can get at Systembolaget here in Sweden too:
(http://www.cottingham.com.tw/c/images/stories/kronblanc.png)
Weissbier is the shit. its just really expensive in the states, but far more superiour to american beers
Quote from: derekautomatica on Apr 22, 2010, 02:37 AM
when i'm really desperate i'll get a 40 of olde english...that shit taste like straight up plastic.
now it's the favourite cheap beer thread.
If you really want to go for the "More Bang for your Buck" thing you could always go Steel Reserve. 8) It's the worst beer ever. but it will get you fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked up. I tend to be down more for taste then getting drunk. But if i just want to get hammered and my bank is empty that's the route I go.
(http://www.hirneisen.com/natalie/photos/mt_rainier.jpg)
anyone ever had some Rainier, brewed in Washington? my favorite beer..
Quote from: stapezee on Apr 22, 2010, 05:26 PM
(http://www.hirneisen.com/natalie/photos/mt_rainier.jpg)
anyone ever had some Rainier, brewed in Washington? my favorite beer..
It's awesome for lager/piss. By far my favorite cheapo beer.
Quote from: stapezee on Apr 22, 2010, 05:26 PM
(http://www.hirneisen.com/natalie/photos/mt_rainier.jpg)
anyone ever had some Rainier, brewed in Washington? my favorite beer..
Are you drinking that while on top of Mt. Rainier?
that beer doesn't taste good coming the opposite direction. ew.
Quote from: Livewire on Apr 22, 2010, 07:15 PMAre you drinking that while on top of Mt. Rainier?
I could be wrong, but it looks to me like he's raising his Rainier in the general direction of Mt. Rainier.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 22, 2010, 07:43 PM
Quote from: Livewire on Apr 22, 2010, 07:15 PMAre you drinking that while on top of Mt. Rainier?
I could be wrong, but it looks to me like he's raising his Rainier in the general direction of Mt. Rainier.
Yea idk what the fuck that dude is doing. I got the pic from google. But I love my Vitamin R, my pops always drank it growing up so I guess it grew on me
American Beer is awful, get some
(http://www.theturkeyinn.co.uk/leffe.jpg)
or
(http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=55954&d=1184886675)
Quote from: Mascara Snake on Apr 22, 2010, 08:30 PM
American Beer is awful, get some
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or
(http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=55954&d=1184886675)
oh not all of it is bad.
pretty sure every country has some shit beer, not just the U.S.
We've been over this, damnit. American beer is great, but the major brewing companies make terrible, terrible pisswater.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 23, 2010, 09:39 AM
We've been over this, damnit. American beer is great, but the major brewing companies make terrible, terrible pisswater.
I don't believe you. send me a couple of packs of your favorite american beer and I might change my mind.
Quote from: Mascara Snake on Apr 22, 2010, 08:30 PM
American Beer is awful, get some
(http://www.theturkeyinn.co.uk/leffe.jpg)
or
(http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=55954&d=1184886675)
Well, when you take shitty examples...
Hoegaarden is amazing. But dissing american beer is old and ignorant. I'd never buy 8 hoegaardens to get shitfaced on for instance.
everyone should just go check the BEER BEER BEER THREAD. we've had this fuckin argument already like 2 years ago, and there are brilliant recommendations from all over the world and from here for you fuckers to try out. cheers.
Quote from: raynor on Apr 23, 2010, 12:10 PM
Hoegaarden is amazing. But dissing american beer is old and ignorant. I'd never buy 8 hoegaardens to get shitfaced on for instance.
i want to try hoegaarden. it sounds like it'd be delish.
Dude Mascara Snake, Leffe is not the good stuff. At all. You should try more local breweries. Delirium Tremens. Westmalle. God damn I want some of that.
Quote from: Penicks on Apr 23, 2010, 02:47 PM
Delirium Tremens. Westmalle. God damn I want some of that.
That's why I'm glad to be Belgian.
Quote from: Penicks on Apr 21, 2010, 06:45 PM
Belgium, motherfucker. Our mothers actually leak beer from their tits instead of milk.
Quote from: Vesanic on Apr 21, 2010, 07:42 PM
Penicks and I are from Belgium
explains a lot
Quote from: Jacob on Apr 23, 2010, 10:25 AM
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Apr 23, 2010, 09:39 AM
We've been over this, damnit. American beer is great, but the major brewing companies make terrible, terrible pisswater.
I don't believe you. send me a couple of packs of your favorite american beer and I might change my mind.
Ha! It would be nice if that trick would work. Good try sir! ;D
Quote from: Penicks on Apr 23, 2010, 02:47 PM
Dude Mascara Snake, Leffe is not the good stuff. At all. You should try more local breweries. Delirium Tremens. Westmalle. God damn I want some of that.
My friends band is called Delirium Tremens (after the Christy Moore song though), Ive heard some good things about it, im gonna have to find some. As far as Leffe is concerned, anything thats 6.8% and goes go's down as easy as it does cant be bad in my book!
Oh and that new Guinnes lager they are introducing is fuckin rank, stay clear!!
Quote from: Mascara Snake on Apr 23, 2010, 08:39 PM
Quote from: Penicks on Apr 23, 2010, 02:47 PM
Dude Mascara Snake, Leffe is not the good stuff. At all. You should try more local breweries. Delirium Tremens. Westmalle. God damn I want some of that.
My friends band is called Delirium Tremens (after the Christy Moore song though), Ive heard some good things about it, im gonna have to find some. As far as Leffe is concerned, anything thats 6.8% and goes go's down as easy as it does cant be bad in my book!
Oh and that new Guinnes lager they are introducing is fuckin rank, stay clear!!
Guinnes lager...ew. that's gonna be hella stiff.
Quote from: blixa on Apr 20, 2010, 02:08 PM
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 20, 2010, 08:54 AM
Quote from: blixa on Apr 20, 2010, 01:24 AM
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 19, 2010, 06:27 PM
Quote from: Jacob on Apr 19, 2010, 05:36 PM
I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.
That's exactly what i was thinking, that thing would be amazing after a night out. The UK is so uptight since Jamie Oliver told everyone off for eating what they like.
The problem isn't the food, it's the fat fucks who have no self control or self respect and end up burdening the NHS with tripple heart bypasses. It means those who are responsible with what they eat are now being fucked over, take the banning of 'super sizing' at McDonalds as an example.
the food is APART of the problem. as far as i'm concerned, we will have less health problems if we start shutting these arseholes down. it's great you have self control but a large number of people don't.
You could say that about anything, if you take that view then they should have banned alcohol decades ago. The problem is education, parental upbringing and people lacking common sense. I know KFC and Mcdonalds taste good, i'd like to eat them every day but i'd be dead and for the vast amount of people that is an obvious fact.
I'd rather the Government passed a bill requiring fast food franchises to have a set of electronic weight scales set up at the entrance manned by a security guard. If you're too fat you are directed to a running track adjacent the drive thru, if you complete twelve laps in 24/hrs you may make a single purchase with diet coke. This would also provide entertainment for those sitting in the drive thru and those dining inside, this would drum up business and counter the severe losses in revenue associated with banning fat asses.
you can say that about everything. it's like if i stood there and made a gun shape with my hand and went "bang bang" it's not going to do shit. i'm actually going to need a gun to kill somebody. don't stop at alcohol, go for cigarettes, dairy products, drugs etc.
you can educate people as much as you want, it's going to come down to people controlling themselves and making choices. we've already established the fact that most people can't control themselves, wouldn't it be better if fast food companies did something as well. in australia they're raising the price of cigarette packets and alcohol. i work in a liquor shop so i am seeing the direct impact of those price hikes and when i get underage kids and drunks coming in, i refuse to sell them alcohol. some big industries have taken measures but fast food companies are way behind. kfc is the biggest evil in my eyes. it'll be a dream come true if it just fucking disappeared.
you can't tell how unhealthy a person is by their weight. i have a friend who is overweight yet she eats very healthy food and another friend who is a stick and eats oporto and mcdonalds every day. there's thyroid problems and stress and god knows what else. i'm not innocent in all this. i love fried food, i smoke A LOT and i drink shitloads of coffee. i am great at controlling myself though, especially around alcohol. i haven't gotten plastered in a very very long time.
Oh, give me a break. What a bunch of pure hypocrisy. You have heard of personal responsibility, right? Just like you're responsible for smoking a lot of cigs (a vice i share), everybody else should be responsible for every single decision they make, no matter how misguided. Once you place that responsibility on government, it's one of those cliche slippery slopes. It's going on right now in America; admittedly the fast food companies are just goading on the movement to ban everything under the sun with all of these baconators and loaded steakhouse burgers (which are delicious, I might add), but seriously, it's gotten to the point where I can't think of much "unhealthy" behavior that isn't under fire or likely to be very soon. Tanning booths are getting a tax hike, there isn't a quarter that I don't hear about the cigarette tax going up, one is disallowed from smoking in virtually every OUTDOOR public locale, I hear New York is working on a city-wide salt limitation, with similar discussions going on in Minnesota, the War on Drugs is imploding Mexico and as a consequence border states (and Mexico to a far greater degree) are losing their liberties, Mexicans and Americans are losing their lives at incredible rates, not to mention its entire premise is a violation of a human's natural rights. And all of this is because our Congress is filled with people like you that truly believe that everybody is too fucking stupid to take care of themselves, so it's up to the smart people to take care of them, with money and loss of our liberties. What the fuck is compassionate about that?
Apologies for just going off on you like that, I'm not against you holding those views, it's just that yours has been the dominant viewpoint in the world for decades now, and has used in legislation for far too long now. Where is any of this great societal benefit that has come from the exponentially increasing control over peoples' lives? Isn't the response always going to be that existing controls weren't followed well enough or just weren't Draconian enough in nature? Can you not see how that philosophy has played out through history? Do you think that there's just going to be some magic, benevolent politician that's going to go against the classic nature of someone in power when he achieves the ability to use "the public health" as an excuse to do whatever he wants? Even if that happened, what then, if someone who had a philosophy you entirely disagreed with were then elected to that same position with those very same powers?
What are you going to say if smoking gives you cancer? Are you going to say "I was too butt-stupid to quit and I wish someone would have regulated my behavior?"
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Apr 25, 2010, 04:02 AM
Quote from: blixa on Apr 20, 2010, 02:08 PM
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Quote from: blixa on Apr 20, 2010, 01:24 AM
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Quote from: Jacob on Apr 19, 2010, 05:36 PM
I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.
That's exactly what i was thinking, that thing would be amazing after a night out. The UK is so uptight since Jamie Oliver told everyone off for eating what they like.
The problem isn't the food, it's the fat fucks who have no self control or self respect and end up burdening the NHS with tripple heart bypasses. It means those who are responsible with what they eat are now being fucked over, take the banning of 'super sizing' at McDonalds as an example.
the food is APART of the problem. as far as i'm concerned, we will have less health problems if we start shutting these arseholes down. it's great you have self control but a large number of people don't.
You could say that about anything, if you take that view then they should have banned alcohol decades ago. The problem is education, parental upbringing and people lacking common sense. I know KFC and Mcdonalds taste good, i'd like to eat them every day but i'd be dead and for the vast amount of people that is an obvious fact.
I'd rather the Government passed a bill requiring fast food franchises to have a set of electronic weight scales set up at the entrance manned by a security guard. If you're too fat you are directed to a running track adjacent the drive thru, if you complete twelve laps in 24/hrs you may make a single purchase with diet coke. This would also provide entertainment for those sitting in the drive thru and those dining inside, this would drum up business and counter the severe losses in revenue associated with banning fat asses.
you can say that about everything. it's like if i stood there and made a gun shape with my hand and went "bang bang" it's not going to do shit. i'm actually going to need a gun to kill somebody. don't stop at alcohol, go for cigarettes, dairy products, drugs etc.
you can educate people as much as you want, it's going to come down to people controlling themselves and making choices. we've already established the fact that most people can't control themselves, wouldn't it be better if fast food companies did something as well. in australia they're raising the price of cigarette packets and alcohol. i work in a liquor shop so i am seeing the direct impact of those price hikes and when i get underage kids and drunks coming in, i refuse to sell them alcohol. some big industries have taken measures but fast food companies are way behind. kfc is the biggest evil in my eyes. it'll be a dream come true if it just fucking disappeared.
you can't tell how unhealthy a person is by their weight. i have a friend who is overweight yet she eats very healthy food and another friend who is a stick and eats oporto and mcdonalds every day. there's thyroid problems and stress and god knows what else. i'm not innocent in all this. i love fried food, i smoke A LOT and i drink shitloads of coffee. i am great at controlling myself though, especially around alcohol. i haven't gotten plastered in a very very long time.
Oh, give me a break. What a bunch of pure hypocrisy. You have heard of personal responsibility, right? Just like you're responsible for smoking a lot of cigs (a vice i share), everybody else should be responsible for every single decision they make, no matter how misguided. Once you place that responsibility on government, it's one of those cliche slippery slopes. It's going on right now in America; admittedly the fast food companies are just goading on the movement to ban everything under the sun with all of these baconators and loaded steakhouse burgers (which are delicious, I might add), but seriously, it's gotten to the point where I can't think of much "unhealthy" behavior that isn't under fire or likely to be very soon. Tanning booths are getting a tax hike, there isn't a quarter that I don't hear about the cigarette tax going up, one is disallowed from smoking in virtually every OUTDOOR public locale, I hear New York is working on a city-wide salt limitation, with similar discussions going on in Minnesota, the War on Drugs is imploding Mexico and as a consequence border states (and Mexico to a far greater degree) are losing their liberties, Mexicans and Americans are losing their lives at incredible rates, not to mention its entire premise is a violation of a human's natural rights. And all of this is because our Congress is filled with people like you that truly believe that everybody is too fucking stupid to take care of themselves, so it's up to the smart people to take care of them, with money and loss of our liberties. What the fuck is compassionate about that?
Apologies for just going off on you like that, I'm not against you holding those views, it's just that yours has been the dominant viewpoint in the world for decades now, and has used in legislation for far too long now. Where is any of this great societal benefit that has come from the exponentially increasing control over peoples' lives? Isn't the response always going to be that existing controls weren't followed well enough or just weren't Draconian enough in nature? Can you not see how that philosophy has played out through history? Do you think that there's just going to be some magic, benevolent politician that's going to go against the classic nature of someone in power when he achieves the ability to use "the public health" as an excuse to do whatever he wants? Even if that happened, what then, if someone who had a philosophy you entirely disagreed with were then elected to that same position with those very same powers?
What are you going to say if smoking gives you cancer? Are you going to say "I was too butt-stupid to quit and I wish someone would have regulated my behavior?"
some people are too fucking stupid to take care of themselves. that is the thing. if tomorrow i woke up and i couldn't buy cigarettes because they were banned then that is when i'll stop smoking. otherwise i'll continue smoking because it's there and easily accessible to me. it does shit me that i cannot smoke in bars and in certain places outside but those legislations have been effective in me cutting down on how much i smoke so i welcome it. i know it's there for the betterment of my health. what the fuck do i have to complain about?
shoot me for wanting the fast food companies to make their foods healthier. just because it's fast food doesn't mean it has to be rubbish. some people have no control and if we need legislation to control it then so be it. in a utopian society there will be kfc, no cigarettes, no alcohol.
if that makes me a hypocrite then i'm a hypocrite. oh, look, she wants fast food joints shut down but she's a smoker. the reason i want kfc gone is from the animal rights stand point. there is no distinction between animal cruelty and eating meat. eating animals is cruel. the way animals are used is cruel. they way they are bred to be murdered is cruel. if they're passing legislation to put pictures on cigarette packets:
(http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Graphic+Images+Cigarette+Packets+Illustrate+Jj3s-i_Fkp-l.jpg)
then they should put massive pictures of the effects of fast food in kfc, mcdonalds, hungry jacks, and everywhere else. why should they be exempt.
Quote from: blixa on Apr 26, 2010, 02:34 PM
there is no distinction between animal cruelty and eating meat. eating animals is cruel.
For fuck sake...
I get that some people don't eat meat..... I get it. But I really HATE when they have to start peddling their propaganda about how it's animal cruelty. Jesus himself ate fish... that cruel bastid...
Yeah, really. I also get that people don't eat meat, but if I were a veggie I wouldn't be always about to call every person who eats meat an insensible murderer. I don't call veggies pussies for what they do.
And you don't call a lion a cruel asshole for eating zebras, do you ?
and since we are on it... I don't think the government should exist to put their thumb on what I do. We do have a constitution.. and no where did I see them say they would regulate how the fuck I live my life. If I want to kill myself eating KFC, smoking... or drinking.. then I should be allowed to do so. I don't need the government breathing down my throat about how I live my life. Sure, some people have no control.. and it's their fucking right to not have it! Yes, now the government has in some way stepped in and banned me from smoking in bars and such... it's not to regulate MY life... it's to make it nice for the non smokers.. and I have no problem going outside to smoke. But in my own space, I should be able to eat what I wish.. and smoke as many cigarettes as I wish... and it should not be a govermental issue at all.
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 02:39 PM
I get that some people don't eat meat..... I get it. But I really HATE when they have to start peddling their propaganda about how it's animal cruelty. Jesus himself ate fish... that cruel bastid...
i'm not peddling propaganda. these are facts that are out there for you to find if you go looking. do you realise that the number one reason for climate change is animal agriculture? do you realise that livestock in factory farms cover 30% of the earth's surface? no, you don't because you're only told to not drive so much and to reduce the amount of energy you use. nothing about your diet.
if you want to talk about jesus then let's talk about jesus because yes, the way we treated animals during his time is exactly how we treat them now? there's scripture about him biting into a big hamburger that came from a factory farm. that's utter bull. we breed animals specifically to be killed now. if you participate in buying meat then you have a direct hand in that cruelty. i used to eat meat myself. i thought i loved animals too but i was ignorant of that love, i didn't know what it meant. i loved them, or i thought i did, but i did not respect them because i was saying yes to them being killed so i could eat a sausage roll.
newsflash: i am a vegan so that is what i believe about people who eat meat, and i'm speaking for myself, not other vegans. i don't believe you can love animals yet eat them at the same time. period. you can tell yourself whatever you want but if you eat meat then you just love animals purely for their flesh. nothing to do with them being anything else other than a commodity.
I'm pretty sure that Jesus himself would love a good burger. And of course it wasn't like it is now in "Jesus times" however.. he still did eat fish. Is that cruel? You can say what you wish about how I have a hand in animal cruelty, and it's your opinion.
I just like good food.
Furthermore... I've never driven past a pasture and thought... "Ohhh how I love those cows..." So yeah, they may be a commodity. It is what it is.
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 03:04 PM
I'm pretty sure that Jesus himself would love a good burger.
I needed that laugh.
McDonaaaald's, palapapapa, Jesus' lovin' it.
I do what I can, Kelly. =)
Quote from: blixa on Apr 26, 2010, 02:59 PM
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 02:39 PM
I get that some people don't eat meat..... I get it. But I really HATE when they have to start peddling their propaganda about how it's animal cruelty. Jesus himself ate fish... that cruel bastid...
i'm not peddling propaganda. these are facts that are out there for you to find if you go looking. do you realise that the number one reason for climate change is animal agriculture? do you realise that livestock in factory farms cover 30% of the earth's surface? no, you don't because you're only told to not drive so much and to reduce the amount of energy you use. nothing about your diet.
if you want to talk about jesus then let's talk about jesus because yes, the way we treated animals during his time is exactly how we treat them now? there's scripture about him biting into a big hamburger that came from a factory farm. that's utter bull. we breed animals specifically to be killed now. if you participate in buying meat then you have a direct hand in that cruelty. i used to eat meat myself. i thought i loved animals too but i was ignorant of that love, i didn't know what it meant. i loved them, or i thought i did, but i did not respect them because i was saying yes to them being killed so i could eat a sausage roll.
newsflash: i am a vegan so that is what i believe about people who eat meat, and i'm speaking for myself, not other vegans. i don't believe you can love animals yet eat them at the same time. period. you can tell yourself whatever you want but if you eat meat then you just love animals purely for their flesh. nothing to do with them being anything else other than a commodity.
the more i read what you say on here the more i hate you. self righteous preachy cunt. get off that high horse of yours. if you don't want to eat meat that's fine and dandy but you don't have to have this elitist attitude about it. i agree that animal agriculture as we know it is not the best thing for the earth but annoying vegan hippies never changed anything. don't try and bring other people down because their beliefs aren't the same as yours. that's called being a fucking douchebag so how's about you...
(http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/files/2008/12/shut-up-hippy.jpg)
Jesus may have been more of a Burger King "have it your way" kind of guy.
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 03:04 PM
I'm pretty sure that Jesus himself would love a good burger. And of course it wasn't like it is now in "Jesus times" however.. he still did eat fish. Is that cruel? You can say what you wish about how I have a hand in animal cruelty, and it's your opinion.
I just like good food.
Furthermore... I've never driven past a pasture and thought... "Ohhh how I love those cows..." So yeah, they may be a commodity. It is what it is.
i'm pretty sure people that have written a thesis about his diet would say otherwise. my lecturer is doing that and he talks about it in class and i find the whole thing interesting. when you are a person of god you forego eating any flesh. look at many religious leaders in eastern christianity and majority of them are vegans.
i feel like i've done this before on here when i was 17 and i don't feel like repeating myself. if you want to believe that you can eat meat and still love cute and cuddly animals then you can believe that. i believe otherwise and that is that.
i am glad to see you admitting that you find animals a commodity though. not many meat eaters can admit that. they just get defensive and talk about their dogs. which is hilarious because dog meat is meant to be the tastiest of the lot. i can't wait till they have dog and cat factory farms. i would love to drive past those...
No way..Wendy's "WHERE'S THE BEEF?!?"
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
Jesus may have been more of a Burger King "have it your way" kind of guy.
i'd think he was more of a wendy's triple baconator guy. i know when i eat it it's like a religious experience.
Quote from: blixa on Apr 26, 2010, 03:22 PM
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 03:04 PM
I'm pretty sure that Jesus himself would love a good burger. And of course it wasn't like it is now in "Jesus times" however.. he still did eat fish. Is that cruel? You can say what you wish about how I have a hand in animal cruelty, and it's your opinion.
I just like good food.
Furthermore... I've never driven past a pasture and thought... "Ohhh how I love those cows..." So yeah, they may be a commodity. It is what it is.
i'm pretty sure people that have written a thesis about his diet would say otherwise. my lecturer is doing that and he talks about it in class and i find the whole thing interesting. when you are a person of god you forego eating any flesh. look at many religious leaders in eastern christianity and majority of them are vegans.
i feel like i've done this before on here when i was 17 and i don't feel like repeating myself. if you want to believe that you can eat meat and still love cute and cuddly animals then you can believe that. i believe otherwise and that is that.
i am glad to see you admitting that you find animals a commodity though. not many meat eaters can admit that. they just get defensive and talk about their dogs. which is hilarious because dog meat is meant to be the tastiest of the lot. i can't wait till they have dog and cat factory farms. i would love to drive past those...
oh so you're one of those college hippies just spewing back out shit their professors told them and passing it off as their own opinion. man...you fucking suck. what should we do with cows besides eat them? they're fucking useless. you are the embodiment of everything i hate.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Apr 26, 2010, 03:18 PM
Quote from: blixa on Apr 26, 2010, 02:59 PM
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 02:39 PM
I get that some people don't eat meat..... I get it. But I really HATE when they have to start peddling their propaganda about how it's animal cruelty. Jesus himself ate fish... that cruel bastid...
i'm not peddling propaganda. these are facts that are out there for you to find if you go looking. do you realise that the number one reason for climate change is animal agriculture? do you realise that livestock in factory farms cover 30% of the earth's surface? no, you don't because you're only told to not drive so much and to reduce the amount of energy you use. nothing about your diet.
if you want to talk about jesus then let's talk about jesus because yes, the way we treated animals during his time is exactly how we treat them now? there's scripture about him biting into a big hamburger that came from a factory farm. that's utter bull. we breed animals specifically to be killed now. if you participate in buying meat then you have a direct hand in that cruelty. i used to eat meat myself. i thought i loved animals too but i was ignorant of that love, i didn't know what it meant. i loved them, or i thought i did, but i did not respect them because i was saying yes to them being killed so i could eat a sausage roll.
newsflash: i am a vegan so that is what i believe about people who eat meat, and i'm speaking for myself, not other vegans. i don't believe you can love animals yet eat them at the same time. period. you can tell yourself whatever you want but if you eat meat then you just love animals purely for their flesh. nothing to do with them being anything else other than a commodity.
the more i read what you say on here the more i hate you. self righteous preachy cunt. get off that high horse of yours. if you don't want to eat meat that's fine and dandy but you don't have to have this elitist attitude about it. i agree that animal agriculture as we know it is not the best thing for the earth but annoying vegan hippies never changed anything. don't try and bring other people down because their beliefs aren't the same as yours. that's called being a fucking douchebag so how's about you...
(http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/files/2008/12/shut-up-hippy.jpg)
i'm not talking about beliefs. killing animals the way we kill them now is cruel. that is fact.
hate me all you want. it doesn't change things. if you think i'm preaching then don't fucking read it. i'm hardly being elitist. i'm telling you that factory farmed meat is cruel and it is the number one reason for climate change and water pollution.
i find it funny that no one has put forth a sensible post. it's all "hippie" this and "i love burgers" that. i guess some things haven't changed.
Quote from: blixa on Apr 26, 2010, 03:28 PM
Quote from: sing blue silver on Apr 26, 2010, 03:18 PM
Quote from: blixa on Apr 26, 2010, 02:59 PM
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 02:39 PM
I get that some people don't eat meat..... I get it. But I really HATE when they have to start peddling their propaganda about how it's animal cruelty. Jesus himself ate fish... that cruel bastid...
i'm not peddling propaganda. these are facts that are out there for you to find if you go looking. do you realise that the number one reason for climate change is animal agriculture? do you realise that livestock in factory farms cover 30% of the earth's surface? no, you don't because you're only told to not drive so much and to reduce the amount of energy you use. nothing about your diet.
if you want to talk about jesus then let's talk about jesus because yes, the way we treated animals during his time is exactly how we treat them now? there's scripture about him biting into a big hamburger that came from a factory farm. that's utter bull. we breed animals specifically to be killed now. if you participate in buying meat then you have a direct hand in that cruelty. i used to eat meat myself. i thought i loved animals too but i was ignorant of that love, i didn't know what it meant. i loved them, or i thought i did, but i did not respect them because i was saying yes to them being killed so i could eat a sausage roll.
newsflash: i am a vegan so that is what i believe about people who eat meat, and i'm speaking for myself, not other vegans. i don't believe you can love animals yet eat them at the same time. period. you can tell yourself whatever you want but if you eat meat then you just love animals purely for their flesh. nothing to do with them being anything else other than a commodity.
the more i read what you say on here the more i hate you. self righteous preachy cunt. get off that high horse of yours. if you don't want to eat meat that's fine and dandy but you don't have to have this elitist attitude about it. i agree that animal agriculture as we know it is not the best thing for the earth but annoying vegan hippies never changed anything. don't try and bring other people down because their beliefs aren't the same as yours. that's called being a fucking douchebag so how's about you...
(http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/files/2008/12/shut-up-hippy.jpg)
i'm not talking about beliefs. killing animals the way we kill them now is cruel. that is fact.
hate me all you want. it doesn't change things. if you think i'm preaching then don't fucking read it. i'm hardly being elitist. i'm telling you that factory farmed meat is cruel and it is the number one reason for climate change and water pollution.
i find it funny that no one has put forth a sensible post. it's all "hippie" this and "i love burgers" that. i guess some things haven't changed.
well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals. then why do i volunteer at the local SPCA? you say you're not being an elitist but then you basically say people who eat meat are flat out wrong and you're more or less a better person than them. maybe take a look at how pathetic your own life is before trying to force your vegan shit on other people.
Quote from: blixa on Apr 26, 2010, 03:22 PM
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 03:04 PM
I'm pretty sure that Jesus himself would love a good burger. And of course it wasn't like it is now in "Jesus times" however.. he still did eat fish. Is that cruel? You can say what you wish about how I have a hand in animal cruelty, and it's your opinion.
I just like good food.
Furthermore... I've never driven past a pasture and thought... "Ohhh how I love those cows..." So yeah, they may be a commodity. It is what it is.
i'm pretty sure people that have written a thesis about his diet would say otherwise. my lecturer is doing that and he talks about it in class and i find the whole thing interesting. when you are a person of god you forego eating any flesh. look at many religious leaders in eastern christianity and majority of them are vegans.
i feel like i've done this before on here when i was 17 and i don't feel like repeating myself. if you want to believe that you can eat meat and still love cute and cuddly animals then you can believe that. i believe otherwise and that is that.
i am glad to see you admitting that you find animals a commodity though. not many meat eaters can admit that. they just get defensive and talk about their dogs. which is hilarious because dog meat is meant to be the tastiest of the lot. i can't wait till they have dog and cat factory farms. i would love to drive past those...
Well, I'm glad you don't want to repeat yourself, because the conversation is boring.
Bottom line is... I don't get involved with what you choose to consume.. and I'd appreciate the same respect.
Yes, I have a dog and I have cats.... I love my animals. However, I don't see stray cats and think.. "ZOMGZ! I must have cuddly animal!!" You can call me cruel... Call me what you wish.... I feel fine..
Mary Browns FTW
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 03:31 PM
Quote from: blixa on Apr 26, 2010, 03:22 PM
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 03:04 PM
I'm pretty sure that Jesus himself would love a good burger. And of course it wasn't like it is now in "Jesus times" however.. he still did eat fish. Is that cruel? You can say what you wish about how I have a hand in animal cruelty, and it's your opinion.
I just like good food.
Furthermore... I've never driven past a pasture and thought... "Ohhh how I love those cows..." So yeah, they may be a commodity. It is what it is.
i'm pretty sure people that have written a thesis about his diet would say otherwise. my lecturer is doing that and he talks about it in class and i find the whole thing interesting. when you are a person of god you forego eating any flesh. look at many religious leaders in eastern christianity and majority of them are vegans.
i feel like i've done this before on here when i was 17 and i don't feel like repeating myself. if you want to believe that you can eat meat and still love cute and cuddly animals then you can believe that. i believe otherwise and that is that.
i am glad to see you admitting that you find animals a commodity though. not many meat eaters can admit that. they just get defensive and talk about their dogs. which is hilarious because dog meat is meant to be the tastiest of the lot. i can't wait till they have dog and cat factory farms. i would love to drive past those...
Well, I'm glad you don't want to repeat yourself, because the conversation is boring.
Bottom line is... I don't get involved with what you choose to consume.. and I'd appreciate the same respect.
Yes, I have a dog and I have cats.... I love my animals. However, I don't see stray cats and think.. "ZOMGZ! I must have cuddly animal!!" You can call me cruel... Call me what you wish.... I feel fine..
+1
Quote from: devilinside on Apr 26, 2010, 03:25 PM
well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals.
Sorry Blixa, but if you really said, you're desperately stupid.
Quote from: Vesanic on Apr 26, 2010, 03:34 PM
Quote from: devilinside on Apr 26, 2010, 03:25 PM
well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals.
Sorry Blixa, but if you really said, you're desperately stupid.
Woah....when did I say that? LOL
Quote from: devilinside on Apr 26, 2010, 03:36 PM
Quote from: Vesanic on Apr 26, 2010, 03:34 PM
Quote from: devilinside on Apr 26, 2010, 03:25 PM
well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals.
Sorry Blixa, but if you really said, you're desperately stupid.
Woah....when did I say that? LOL
Hahaha.. shit is getting CARAZAY!
Quote from: Vesanic on Apr 26, 2010, 03:34 PM
Quote from: devilinside on Apr 26, 2010, 03:25 PM
well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals.
Sorry Blixa, but if you really said, you're desperately stupid.
i is devilinside now or something? that was me.
but yeah. that was one of the stupider things i've read. if i hate animals (and i must since i eat meat) why are my three dogs dogs that i rescued from an abusive owner. i risked getting shot by this crazy fuck on a farm because his dogs were skin and bone and i couldn't stand seeing them live like that. maybe i should just go downstairs and shoot them though because i'm the devil. there is more to people than meets the eye. i may think cows and chickens (i actually have 6 chickens) are dumb as shit and are basically bred to be killed and eaten but it doesn't make me some sort of monster. i'm sorry to tell you but all animals (much like people) are not equal.
No, no, I was quoting Kelly but I was talking about Blixa 'cause Kelly was also quoting Blixa when she wrote that.
Quote from: Vesanic on Apr 26, 2010, 03:47 PM
No, no, I was quoting Kelly but I was talking about Blixa 'cause Kelly was also quoting Blixa when she wrote that.
pretty sure i wrote that. look at the first post at the top of the page. and i know you were talking about blixa.
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well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals.
Sorry Blixa, but if you really said, you're desperately stupid.
then i guess i'm stupid because i do believe that. i find it incredibily weird for a person to claim they love animals yet be able to eat meat, especially factory farmed meat. i don't understand how you can love a living being and be okay with it being killed to accomodate your appetite.
unless you are talking about the different levels of love then people should be more specific.
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Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 02:39 PM
I get that some people don't eat meat..... I get it. But I really HATE when they have to start peddling their propaganda about how it's animal cruelty. Jesus himself ate fish... that cruel bastid...
i'm not peddling propaganda. these are facts that are out there for you to find if you go looking. do you realise that the number one reason for climate change is animal agriculture? do you realise that livestock in factory farms cover 30% of the earth's surface? no, you don't because you're only told to not drive so much and to reduce the amount of energy you use. nothing about your diet.
if you want to talk about jesus then let's talk about jesus because yes, the way we treated animals during his time is exactly how we treat them now? there's scripture about him biting into a big hamburger that came from a factory farm. that's utter bull. we breed animals specifically to be killed now. if you participate in buying meat then you have a direct hand in that cruelty. i used to eat meat myself. i thought i loved animals too but i was ignorant of that love, i didn't know what it meant. i loved them, or i thought i did, but i did not respect them because i was saying yes to them being killed so i could eat a sausage roll.
newsflash: i am a vegan so that is what i believe about people who eat meat, and i'm speaking for myself, not other vegans. i don't believe you can love animals yet eat them at the same time. period. you can tell yourself whatever you want but if you eat meat then you just love animals purely for their flesh. nothing to do with them being anything else other than a commodity.
the more i read what you say on here the more i hate you. self righteous preachy cunt. get off that high horse of yours. if you don't want to eat meat that's fine and dandy but you don't have to have this elitist attitude about it. i agree that animal agriculture as we know it is not the best thing for the earth but annoying vegan hippies never changed anything. don't try and bring other people down because their beliefs aren't the same as yours. that's called being a fucking douchebag so how's about you...
(http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/files/2008/12/shut-up-hippy.jpg)
i'm not talking about beliefs. killing animals the way we kill them now is cruel. that is fact.
hate me all you want. it doesn't change things. if you think i'm preaching then don't fucking read it. i'm hardly being elitist. i'm telling you that factory farmed meat is cruel and it is the number one reason for climate change and water pollution.
i find it funny that no one has put forth a sensible post. it's all "hippie" this and "i love burgers" that. i guess some things haven't changed.
well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals. then why do i volunteer at the local SPCA? you say you're not being an elitist but then you basically say people who eat meat are flat out wrong and you're more or less a better person than them. maybe take a look at how pathetic your own life is before trying to force your vegan shit on other people.
why don't you volunteer to get more humane animal farming going?
i never said i was better than anyone. i just stated the fact that if you consume meat then you do not love animals. maybe people are getting defensive for other reasons. if you love animals, why eat them? i don't think you can possibly respect something if you can take away its life.
i'm not asking you to believe anything i'm saying. i'm vegan so that is what i believe. you can continue believing what you believe in. i'm sorry but i find it incredibly hard to sit here and believe that meat eaters respect the lives of animals because that is something i cannot do. the fact is i never attacked any of you. i just stated my opinion and i was never trying to sound like an elitist and over priviledged wanker. being a vegan is a lifestyle rather than a diet.
Now that that's figured out....
I'm getting hungry. it's almost lunch time.... What's everyone having for lunch?!
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Quote from: devilinside on Apr 26, 2010, 03:25 PM
well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals.
Sorry Blixa, but if you really said, you're desperately stupid.
then i guess i'm stupid because i do believe that. i find it incredibily weird for a person to claim they love animals yet be able to eat meat, especially factory farmed meat. i don't understand how you can love a living being and be okay with it being killed to accomodate your appetite.
unless you are talking about the different levels of love then people should be more specific.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Apr 26, 2010, 03:30 PM
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Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 02:39 PM
I get that some people don't eat meat..... I get it. But I really HATE when they have to start peddling their propaganda about how it's animal cruelty. Jesus himself ate fish... that cruel bastid...
i'm not peddling propaganda. these are facts that are out there for you to find if you go looking. do you realise that the number one reason for climate change is animal agriculture? do you realise that livestock in factory farms cover 30% of the earth's surface? no, you don't because you're only told to not drive so much and to reduce the amount of energy you use. nothing about your diet.
if you want to talk about jesus then let's talk about jesus because yes, the way we treated animals during his time is exactly how we treat them now? there's scripture about him biting into a big hamburger that came from a factory farm. that's utter bull. we breed animals specifically to be killed now. if you participate in buying meat then you have a direct hand in that cruelty. i used to eat meat myself. i thought i loved animals too but i was ignorant of that love, i didn't know what it meant. i loved them, or i thought i did, but i did not respect them because i was saying yes to them being killed so i could eat a sausage roll.
newsflash: i am a vegan so that is what i believe about people who eat meat, and i'm speaking for myself, not other vegans. i don't believe you can love animals yet eat them at the same time. period. you can tell yourself whatever you want but if you eat meat then you just love animals purely for their flesh. nothing to do with them being anything else other than a commodity.
the more i read what you say on here the more i hate you. self righteous preachy cunt. get off that high horse of yours. if you don't want to eat meat that's fine and dandy but you don't have to have this elitist attitude about it. i agree that animal agriculture as we know it is not the best thing for the earth but annoying vegan hippies never changed anything. don't try and bring other people down because their beliefs aren't the same as yours. that's called being a fucking douchebag so how's about you...
(http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/files/2008/12/shut-up-hippy.jpg)
i'm not talking about beliefs. killing animals the way we kill them now is cruel. that is fact.
hate me all you want. it doesn't change things. if you think i'm preaching then don't fucking read it. i'm hardly being elitist. i'm telling you that factory farmed meat is cruel and it is the number one reason for climate change and water pollution.
i find it funny that no one has put forth a sensible post. it's all "hippie" this and "i love burgers" that. i guess some things haven't changed.
well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals. then why do i volunteer at the local SPCA? you say you're not being an elitist but then you basically say people who eat meat are flat out wrong and you're more or less a better person than them. maybe take a look at how pathetic your own life is before trying to force your vegan shit on other people.
why don't you volunteer to get more humane animal farming going?
i never said i was better than anyone. i just stated the fact that if you consume meat then you do not love animals. maybe people are getting defensive for other reasons. if you love animals, why eat them? i don't think you can possibly respect something if you can take away its life.
i'm not asking you to believe anything i'm saying. i'm vegan so that is what i believe. you can continue believing what you believe in. i'm sorry but i find it incredibly hard to sit here and believe that meat eaters respect the lives of animals because that is something i cannot do. the fact is i never attacked any of you. i just stated my opinion and i was never trying to sound like an elitist and over priviledged wanker. being a vegan is a lifestyle rather than a diet.
you are one prejudiced cunt. it's not like i'm out killing every other animal. anyway i'm done.
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Quote from: Vesanic on Apr 26, 2010, 03:47 PM
No, no, I was quoting Kelly but I was talking about Blixa 'cause Kelly was also quoting Blixa when she wrote that.
pretty sure i wrote that. look at the first post at the top of the page. and i know you were talking about blixa.
Yeah...that was this dude...lol it's ok though.
Cyn...I'm having Pizza for lunch...it's a veggie one though. I don't like meats on me pizza. LOL I'm being serious too.
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I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.
That's exactly what i was thinking, that thing would be amazing after a night out. The UK is so uptight since Jamie Oliver told everyone off for eating what they like.
The problem isn't the food, it's the fat fucks who have no self control or self respect and end up burdening the NHS with tripple heart bypasses. It means those who are responsible with what they eat are now being fucked over, take the banning of 'super sizing' at McDonalds as an example.
the food is APART of the problem. as far as i'm concerned, we will have less health problems if we start shutting these arseholes down. it's great you have self control but a large number of people don't.
You could say that about anything, if you take that view then they should have banned alcohol decades ago. The problem is education, parental upbringing and people lacking common sense. I know KFC and Mcdonalds taste good, i'd like to eat them every day but i'd be dead and for the vast amount of people that is an obvious fact.
I'd rather the Government passed a bill requiring fast food franchises to have a set of electronic weight scales set up at the entrance manned by a security guard. If you're too fat you are directed to a running track adjacent the drive thru, if you complete twelve laps in 24/hrs you may make a single purchase with diet coke. This would also provide entertainment for those sitting in the drive thru and those dining inside, this would drum up business and counter the severe losses in revenue associated with banning fat asses.
you can say that about everything. it's like if i stood there and made a gun shape with my hand and went "bang bang" it's not going to do shit. i'm actually going to need a gun to kill somebody. don't stop at alcohol, go for cigarettes, dairy products, drugs etc.
you can educate people as much as you want, it's going to come down to people controlling themselves and making choices. we've already established the fact that most people can't control themselves, wouldn't it be better if fast food companies did something as well. in australia they're raising the price of cigarette packets and alcohol. i work in a liquor shop so i am seeing the direct impact of those price hikes and when i get underage kids and drunks coming in, i refuse to sell them alcohol. some big industries have taken measures but fast food companies are way behind. kfc is the biggest evil in my eyes. it'll be a dream come true if it just fucking disappeared.
you can't tell how unhealthy a person is by their weight. i have a friend who is overweight yet she eats very healthy food and another friend who is a stick and eats oporto and mcdonalds every day. there's thyroid problems and stress and god knows what else. i'm not innocent in all this. i love fried food, i smoke A LOT and i drink shitloads of coffee. i am great at controlling myself though, especially around alcohol. i haven't gotten plastered in a very very long time.
Oh, give me a break. What a bunch of pure hypocrisy. You have heard of personal responsibility, right? Just like you're responsible for smoking a lot of cigs (a vice i share), everybody else should be responsible for every single decision they make, no matter how misguided. Once you place that responsibility on government, it's one of those cliche slippery slopes. It's going on right now in America; admittedly the fast food companies are just goading on the movement to ban everything under the sun with all of these baconators and loaded steakhouse burgers (which are delicious, I might add), but seriously, it's gotten to the point where I can't think of much "unhealthy" behavior that isn't under fire or likely to be very soon. Tanning booths are getting a tax hike, there isn't a quarter that I don't hear about the cigarette tax going up, one is disallowed from smoking in virtually every OUTDOOR public locale, I hear New York is working on a city-wide salt limitation, with similar discussions going on in Minnesota, the War on Drugs is imploding Mexico and as a consequence border states (and Mexico to a far greater degree) are losing their liberties, Mexicans and Americans are losing their lives at incredible rates, not to mention its entire premise is a violation of a human's natural rights. And all of this is because our Congress is filled with people like you that truly believe that everybody is too fucking stupid to take care of themselves, so it's up to the smart people to take care of them, with money and loss of our liberties. What the fuck is compassionate about that?
Apologies for just going off on you like that, I'm not against you holding those views, it's just that yours has been the dominant viewpoint in the world for decades now, and has used in legislation for far too long now. Where is any of this great societal benefit that has come from the exponentially increasing control over peoples' lives? Isn't the response always going to be that existing controls weren't followed well enough or just weren't Draconian enough in nature? Can you not see how that philosophy has played out through history? Do you think that there's just going to be some magic, benevolent politician that's going to go against the classic nature of someone in power when he achieves the ability to use "the public health" as an excuse to do whatever he wants? Even if that happened, what then, if someone who had a philosophy you entirely disagreed with were then elected to that same position with those very same powers?
What are you going to say if smoking gives you cancer? Are you going to say "I was too butt-stupid to quit and I wish someone would have regulated my behavior?"
some people are too fucking stupid to take care of themselves. that is the thing. if tomorrow i woke up and i couldn't buy cigarettes because they were banned then that is when i'll stop smoking. otherwise i'll continue smoking because it's there and easily accessible to me. it does shit me that i cannot smoke in bars and in certain places outside but those legislations have been effective in me cutting down on how much i smoke so i welcome it. i know it's there for the betterment of my health. what the fuck do i have to complain about?
shoot me for wanting the fast food companies to make their foods healthier. just because it's fast food doesn't mean it has to be rubbish. some people have no control and if we need legislation to control it then so be it. in a utopian society there will be kfc, no cigarettes, no alcohol.
if that makes me a hypocrite then i'm a hypocrite. oh, look, she wants fast food joints shut down but she's a smoker. the reason i want kfc gone is from the animal rights stand point. there is no distinction between animal cruelty and eating meat. eating animals is cruel. the way animals are used is cruel. they way they are bred to be murdered is cruel. if they're passing legislation to put pictures on cigarette packets:
(http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Graphic+Images+Cigarette+Packets+Illustrate+Jj3s-i_Fkp-l.jpg)
then they should put massive pictures of the effects of fast food in kfc, mcdonalds, hungry jacks, and everywhere else. why should they be exempt.
See, that's my huge problem, with your thinking, essentially admitting that you and others are too stupid to take care of yourselves and that someone else needs to begets the tendency for people to get worse, more irresponsible, because they increasingly rely on government decree for their moral fabric. I mean look, we've been moving in the direction of more and more control for decades, and people are only getting more and more irresponsible. I was trying to point out that you're not better than anyone, you're not special in the least, and you're just proving that those pictures and warnings really don't have any effect when someone perceives the present benefit from smoking to be greater than the future costs. You're saying you don't give a shit about your health, so someone has to give a shit for you, and that is exactly the kind of mentality that has permeated the world society, and to its great, perceivable detriment. So what that means is essentially in order to help people like you that can't make decisions for themselves, we also have to punish the people who engage in whatever behavior responsibly and with moderation. It's essentially like reverse evolution, in today's society we subsidize the stupid because it's compassionate, but don't realize the detriment put on the responsible.
Another problem I have with your philosophy is your putting animal interests above human interests. Since we live in a society with limited resources, limiting food, whether animal or vegetable, kills people in third world countries. That's it, pure, unadulterated fact. I mean I don't personally understand this suicidal/murderous attitude (I mean I do, because it's so impersonal, and you're never going to see the people that your type of vegan activism kills), but I don't have a problem with it unless its attitude is used in legislation, which it has been for years. But seriously, just because you hold your ever-fallible moral "high-ground," doesn't mean it's truly right enough that it isn't immoral to force it on others.
Also, newsflash: climates change. Humans don't cause it, at least not even close to the extent that you environmental Nazis presume. Get the fuck over yourself and let people make better lives for themselves and those around them.
ha! well, pizza is good. And veggies are good on it.
Im STARVING from all the McDonalds, BK, Baconator and Wendy's talk!
Go getcha a fried bologna sangwich! ewww
*gags*
I love meat... however ... I don't know that bologna can be classified as meat. It's kind of like Spam to me.... I just can't do it, captain!
yeesh... spam. Fun fact: did y'all know that while spam is manufactured in my home state of Minnesota, its primary market is in Hawai'i? I'll allow for speculation on the potential reasons.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Apr 26, 2010, 03:57 PM
you are one prejudiced cunt.
alright, time to lay off the personal attacks. you're just as prejudiced claiming to hate someone based on their opinions. either have a real discussion without unnecessary namecalling or just keep quiet.
It's the unfortunate consequence of one's inability to intellectually win an argument... Although she does tend to make some rather inflammatory statements from the standpoint of people who have a love, as opposed to a disdain for humanity.
lol @ what happened to this thread, debating KFC FTW.
Kentucky Fried Chicken.... it brings out the best in people.
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 02:50 PM
and since we are on it... I don't think the government should exist to put their thumb on what I do. We do have a constitution.. and no where did I see them say they would regulate how the fuck I live my life. If I want to kill myself eating KFC, smoking... or drinking.. then I should be allowed to do so. I don't need the government breathing down my throat about how I live my life. Sure, some people have no control.. and it's their fucking right to not have it! Yes, now the government has in some way stepped in and banned me from smoking in bars and such... it's not to regulate MY life... it's to make it nice for the non smokers.. and I have no problem going outside to smoke. But in my own space, I should be able to eat what I wish.. and smoke as many cigarettes as I wish... and it should not be a govermental issue at all.
+1
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 05:43 PM
Kentucky Fried Chicken.... it brings out the best in people.
it brings out the diarrhea in people
lol@
-the jesus-argument
-the hate against educated people (which btw is often enough a sign of authoritarian sentiment)
-the comparision between blixa and the nazis (i know such argumentation is more common outside germany. but still, i would punch you in the face for that and force you to give an excuse in front of a jewish person)
-the "i have a dog such i love all animals"-argument which is as smart as "i have a black friend therefore im no racist"
you all must be kidding
gosh, I thought some of the points were valid.
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 26, 2010, 07:17 PM
lol@
-the jesus-argument
-the hate against educated people (which btw is often enough a sign of authoritarian sentiment)
-the comparision between blixa and the nazis (i know such argumentation is more common outside germany. but still, i would punch you in the face for that and force you to give an excuse in front of a jewish person)
-the "i have a dog such i love all animals"-argument which is as smart as "i have a black friend therefore im no racist"
you all must be kidding
Dude, sharinglungs should be a TV show I'm tellin' ya.
omgosh... who would play me?!
No one but you, Cyn. We should just film what's going on sharinglungs everyday and you have a supa-dupa TV hit.
Sweet. We should do it. This shiz is better than Big Brother and Real World combined!
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 07:34 PM
omgosh... who would play me?!
(http://woodytondorf.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/lando_smoothie.jpg)
that ALMOST looks like me.. only I am not black...I'm blonde.... I have boobs... I am a chick... and I'm pretty sure I have less facial hair. However.. the outfit is spot on.
I'm glad you appreciate my casting, it was an odd choice but he was so keen on the role, i think he'll give it 100 %
(http://dreamalittledream.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/two-thumbs-up.jpg)
Very nice....
Jerry Springer....minus the incest,add pot heads,drunks,foreigners and too much cock....
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 02:39 PM
I get that some people don't eat meat..... I get it. But I really HATE when they have to start peddling their propaganda about how it's animal cruelty. Jesus himself ate fish... that cruel bastid...
animal cruelty to me is when you beat the shit out of a cat and use it's fur to make a coat. THAT'S ANIMAL CRUELTY. But when people hunt and eat animals as a means to survive...i don't see the problem. Now the way they use animals for our eating pleasure is fucked up...but according to Darwin it's simply natural selection...there's no way around it.
Quote from: derekautomatica on Apr 26, 2010, 08:44 PM
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 02:39 PM
I get that some people don't eat meat..... I get it. But I really HATE when they have to start peddling their propaganda about how it's animal cruelty. Jesus himself ate fish... that cruel bastid...
animal cruelty to me is when you beat the shit out of a cat and use it's fur to make a coat. THAT'S ANIMAL CRUELTY. But when people hunt and eat animals as a means to survive...i don't see the problem. Now the way they use animals for our eating pleasure is fucked up...but according to Darwin it's simply natural selection...there's no way around it.
i think we're all over this now.
Quote from: devilinside on Apr 26, 2010, 08:06 PM
Jerry Springer....minus the incest,add pot heads,drunks,foreigners and too much cock....
i prefer to think of it as maury.
(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/HPM/SM1110~Whatever-Posters.jpg)
Quote from: derekautomatica on Apr 26, 2010, 08:44 PM
Quote from: White Pwny on Apr 26, 2010, 02:39 PM
I get that some people don't eat meat..... I get it. But I really HATE when they have to start peddling their propaganda about how it's animal cruelty. Jesus himself ate fish... that cruel bastid...
animal cruelty to me is when you beat the shit out of a cat and use it's fur to make a coat. THAT'S ANIMAL CRUELTY. But when people hunt and eat animals as a means to survive...i don't see the problem. Now the way they use animals for our eating pleasure is fucked up...but according to Darwin it's simply natural selection...there's no way around it.
darwin didnt intend to write a normative anthrpology.
we are human and to most people we arent working just as a natural entity. we developed culture and have become able to reflect our being.
as a matter of fact we dont actually require meat to stay alive. this is nothing else but socialization that makes want to eat meat. we can work perfectly on vegan food alone.
there is actually a lot of animal cruelty happening in the food-industry, you must know that. and its probablly worse than beating a cat for no reason. corporations want to maximize their capital and in the process a lot of them are giving a shit on such things as animal rights. (for example you can just slit some animals throat to kill it or you can kill it with a more effective but more expensive injection).
the least you can do to regard at least the most fundamental animal rights is to make clear, that corporations work transparent for the public sphere and work together with (independent!!!) governmental representatives who make sure that everything is fine.
btw: im neither vegetarian nor vegan because a) i cant afford to and b) i have grown up on a farm and just like meat
but goddamnit blixa made some points that must at least affect your moral a little bit:
a) cows are a huge factor to climate change (you can now post all your lobbyists "scientific" articles against it, but i tend to rely on european science, not on the american where everyone is bought by some bigger corporation
b) violation of fundamental animal rights
-if youre eating fish youre hopefully aware that the cheaper you buy, the higher the chances are, your buying some fish that is extincted in a couple of years.
-most fats coming from animals are bad fats that may cause your hear to implode or explode or whatever
my personal conclusion it is reasonable for everyone to lower their meat consumption voluntarly because you dont lose anything. im down for 2-3 times meat per weak (plus some salami for bread etc.)
im also not too sure if were all that free when were eating meat because were used to eat it since our childhood and dont even reflect it anymore. expecially fat may make you addicted just like alcohol and thc and your wouldnt call an alcoholic a free person, would you?
Wow, this thread took a 180.
thank you, nailec. finally a person who responded maturely and intelligently.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Apr 26, 2010, 04:35 PM
It's the unfortunate consequence of one's inability to intellectually win an argument... Although she does tend to make some rather inflammatory statements from the standpoint of people who have a love, as opposed to a disdain for humanity.
what is so inflammatory about stating the FACT that animal agriculture is one of the leading causes of climate change. i'm paraphrasing natalie portman here when i say that the human cost of factory farming - both the compromised welfare of slaughterhouse workers and, even more, the environmental effects of the mass production of animals - is staggering. factory-farmed food is making hundreds of millions of dollars for CEOs of corporations at the expense of normal people.
the thing i can't respect is the willful forgetting, the kind of people who say "i simply don't want to think about it." it's like not saying something when someone says rape is alright. i think there are a lot of responsible conclusions one could reach about whether to eat animals. there's selective meat-eating from responsible growers and there's being a vegetarian.
it's an unpopular stance to say what i said but hell, i've never really been very popular here anyway and i don't care. i believe eating meat is wrong. that is my personal belief. i'm not saying that i would love to enforce this ideal on anyone. what i would love is for people to reconsider the impact of the way we not only kill our animals, but the way we treat them also. i think there should be harsher legislation passed to find more humane ways in which they are treated and killed.
and no one has given me a reasonable response as to how you can truly love animals yet be perfectly okay with eating them considering the way they are farmed and killed?
i heard cows far methane gas. Isn't that bad for the ozone? Therefore they shall all perish!
Quote from: derekautomatica on Apr 27, 2010, 03:30 AM
i heard cows far methane gas. Isn't that bad for the ozone? Therefore they shall all perish!
well, so do you, so why not take one for the team?
Over population is the problem i.e. what is the carbon footprint of a human through out their life in comparison to a cow or a 4x4. We should do what China did and put a cap on people in general, one child each if you're lucky.
when i say cap i do not mean a hat.
yeah, I've said that for years: start regulating who can get kids and how many. we should mainly go by how hot the mother is.
Cause its finger fuckin lickin good
SHRINK - Kentucky Fried Chicken (Clip of the Day - PART 20) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5noUDJZJ2w#)
Oh and whats with all this blah blah cows fart and kill us blah blah.
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m163/tmacie_2006/cowfart.jpg)
Quote from: deftones86 on Apr 27, 2010, 01:25 PM
Cause its finger fuckin lickin good
SHRINK - Kentucky Fried Chicken (Clip of the Day - PART 20) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5noUDJZJ2w#)
that is fucking brilliant!
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 27, 2010, 10:41 AM
We should do what China did and put a cap on people in general, one child each if you're lucky.
Yeah, that worked out perfectly.
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 26, 2010, 07:17 PM
lol@
-the comparision between blixa and the nazis (i know such argumentation is more common outside germany. but still, i would punch you in the face for that and force you to give an excuse in front of a jewish person)
I was not comparing blixa to the Nazis, I was comparing the hardcore environmental movement to the Nazi movement.
Obviously there are stark, clear contrasts between the two, but there are very few movements that have used a "religious" belief in their cause (i say religious because the environmental/global warming/climate change movement operates like a faith-based movement in that no attempts at bringing any sort of reason to their attention have any effect) to cause so much death across the globe. You have to realize that it's not the big, evil corporations that take a hit because of environmental regulations. It is every single person that uses energy or has the potential to in the entire world. Because of the animal rights movement and the enormous costs it's imposed on food purveyors, people in third world countries starve. That is economic fact, and it's something COMPLETELY ignored by all of these Al Gore types and people like yourself. So talk about how compassionate these people are, you just can't be ignorant to the fact that these movements slow the progress of all mankind, impoverishing the globe so #1 we'll inevitably be too poor to be able to have the discretionary resources to invest towards ground breaking, "green" energy and #2 people in third world countries will not be able to afford to industrialize and support themselves and in the process, PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE DYING.
And by the way, you're insanely ignorant for saying that global warming dissent is only given by corporate-supported, American hack-scientists. Check out this list, I'm sure among the 700 papers, there's a few non-Americans.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html (http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html)
Quote from: blixa on Apr 27, 2010, 12:38 AM
thank you, nailec. finally a person who responded maturely and intelligently.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Apr 26, 2010, 04:35 PM
It's the unfortunate consequence of one's inability to intellectually win an argument... Although she does tend to make some rather inflammatory statements from the standpoint of people who have a love, as opposed to a disdain for humanity.
what is so inflammatory about stating the FACT that animal agriculture is one of the leading causes of climate change. i'm paraphrasing natalie portman here when i say that the human cost of factory farming - both the compromised welfare of slaughterhouse workers and, even more, the environmental effects of the mass production of animals - is staggering. factory-farmed food is making hundreds of millions of dollars for CEOs of corporations at the expense of normal people.
the thing i can't respect is the willful forgetting, the kind of people who say "i simply don't want to think about it." it's like not saying something when someone says rape is alright. i think there are a lot of responsible conclusions one could reach about whether to eat animals. there's selective meat-eating from responsible growers and there's being a vegetarian.
it's an unpopular stance to say what i said but hell, i've never really been very popular here anyway and i don't care. i believe eating meat is wrong. that is my personal belief. i'm not saying that i would love to enforce this ideal on anyone. what i would love is for people to reconsider the impact of the way we not only kill our animals, but the way we treat them also. i think there should be harsher legislation passed to find more humane ways in which they are treated and killed.
I'm not saying pollution caused by agriculture is a good thing, it is most definitely something that needs to be constantly improved over time. But you have to realize, there is not enough global wealth in our day and age to be able to devote the resources it would take to achieve your utopia-sort of really nice agriculture industry. Does that mean that I don't think that companies that pollute should be brought to court by those who are affected by the pollution (which is a main reason I am such a fan of property rights)? Hell no, I think that they should most certainly be sued. But look, you're not just forcing their CEOs to take a hit on their salary when you make the companies incur these expenses, it increases prices for EVERYONE. Watch this video, i beg of you.
http://media.mises.org/video/HS_2009/05_HS2009_Woods.wmv (http://media.mises.org/video/HS_2009/05_HS2009_Woods.wmv)
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and no one has given me a reasonable response as to how you can truly love animals yet be perfectly okay with eating them considering the way they are farmed and killed?
It's the ability to recognize the fact that you need to be able to differentiate between human and animal rights, animals would not afford us the same rights we give to them if it came down to them needing to eat. That's it.
Quote from: your sister gets me hard on Apr 27, 2010, 06:24 PM
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 27, 2010, 10:41 AM
We should do what China did and put a cap on people in general, one child each if you're lucky.
Yeah, that worked out perfectly.
let's just get full on evil with this shit and demand breeding licenses and an IQ test to procreate. also we'll just cut off any ability for lower class people to have kids. should solve that problem rather nicely.
generally it never works out well. i think the human race is just a self-dooming species. we're incredibly stupid. we always have been and always will be. rational people are in the vast minority so to think it'll ever change on a global scale is pointless. i say we just sit back, relax and watch the world die by it's own hand. surprisingly i find this the least stressful approach. you say it's pessimistic, i say it's realistic.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Apr 27, 2010, 06:34 PM
Quote from: your sister gets me hard on Apr 27, 2010, 06:24 PM
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 27, 2010, 10:41 AM
We should do what China did and put a cap on people in general, one child each if you're lucky.
Yeah, that worked out perfectly.
let's just get full on evil with this shit and demand breeding licenses and an IQ test to procreate. also we'll just cut off any ability for lower class people to have kids. should solve that problem rather nicely.
generally it never works out well. i think the human race is just a self-dooming species. we're incredibly stupid. we always have been and always will be. rational people are in the vast minority so to think it'll ever change on a global scale is pointless. i say we just sit back, relax and watch the world die by it's own hand. surprisingly i find this the least stressful approach. you say it's pessimistic, i say it's realistic.
If religion would fuck off that would be a start, a religion that bans contraception is, well...not really helping the situation. I know that more people makes the economy swell as there are more people parting with their money every second of the day. However, if the population keeps increasing and there is a finite amount of resources regardless of the half hearted recycling that goes on, what will happen to the economy in the long run.
Think the only solution is to have some overall management, a world government, get some rules on the go, build healthy competition, not this 'i have a nuclear programme and you don't attitude'. Seriously, why in this day and age should anyone need a nuclear programme.
Drastic things like a limit on children sound stupid in todays society but i dont see how it wont happen eventually.
ROFLMAO.
Let's make a stop for a second, just to point something out...
Here is the first post of this topic, the main subject:
Quote from: raynor on Apr 19, 2010, 05:33 PM
http://www.kfc.com/doubledown/ (http://www.kfc.com/doubledown/)
Does anyone seriously order this?
And here's the latest post:
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 27, 2010, 07:30 PM
If religion would fuck off that would be a start, a religion that bans contraception is, well...not really helping the situation. I know that more people makes the economy swell as there are more people parting with their money every second of the day. However, if the population keeps increasing and there is a finite amount of resources regardless of the half hearted recycling that goes on, what will happen to the economy in the long run.
Think the only solution is to have some overall management, a world government, get some rules on the go, build healthy competition, not this 'i have a nuclear programme and you don't attitude'. Seriously, why in this day and age should anyone need a nuclear programme.
Drastic things like a limit on children sound stupid in todays society but i dont see how it wont happen eventually.
How did that shit happen ?! ;D
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 27, 2010, 10:41 AM
We should do what China did and put a cap on people in general
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 27, 2010, 10:42 AM
when i say cap i do not mean a hat.
putting a hat on people is a damn good idea tho
:D
as far as i know there are discussions in china going to get rid of their one-child-policy because it does more harm on the long run.
(http://nerdcityonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/kfc-double-down-sandwich.jpg)
FORSAKE ALL OTHER SANDWICHES BEFORE ME FOR I AM YOUR GOD NOW!!!
seriously. I want to eat that thing.
i want a triple down a piece of chicken with 2x chicken as bread
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/EMC9e3BMTmmg5eqdUuXkZI5Xo1_500.jpg)
Quote from: Vesanic on Apr 27, 2010, 07:52 PM
ROFLMAO.
Let's make a stop for a second, just to point something out...
Here is the first post of this topic, the main subject:
Quote from: raynor on Apr 19, 2010, 05:33 PM
http://www.kfc.com/doubledown/ (http://www.kfc.com/doubledown/)
Does anyone seriously order this?
And here's the latest post:
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Apr 27, 2010, 07:30 PM
If religion would fuck off that would be a start, a religion that bans contraception is, well...not really helping the situation. I know that more people makes the economy swell as there are more people parting with their money every second of the day. However, if the population keeps increasing and there is a finite amount of resources regardless of the half hearted recycling that goes on, what will happen to the economy in the long run.
Think the only solution is to have some overall management, a world government, get some rules on the go, build healthy competition, not this 'i have a nuclear programme and you don't attitude'. Seriously, why in this day and age should anyone need a nuclear programme.
Drastic things like a limit on children sound stupid in todays society but i dont see how it wont happen eventually.
How did that shit happen ?! ;D
Haha, and in the middle we talked about beer.
I bet the Colonel's Sauce is made from the plaque found in clogged arteries of this sandwich's latest victims.
almost bad as the turducken
Quote from: sing blue silver on Apr 27, 2010, 10:34 PM
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Wendy's? ;D
I've been fighting it, but i think its time i Doubled Down.
Quote from: Wax And Wane on Apr 27, 2010, 11:56 PM
Quote from: sing blue silver on Apr 27, 2010, 10:34 PM
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Wendy's? ;D
seriously looks like a turd sandwich.
That's horrible....ack
that burger is just outrageous. Who needs THAT much burger. Really.
(http://www.mediauser.de/wp-content/uploads/xxl-burger-krefeld.jpg)
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 28, 2010, 11:12 AM
(http://www.mediauser.de/wp-content/uploads/xxl-burger-krefeld.jpg)
the sporting nike t-shirt must be ironic.
I'm not gonna quote that first burger pic again, that grosses me out. The most I do is the triple stacker at burger king, super delicious. But I would much rather grind and grill my own patties. There's this place that serves Kobe burgers in NE Minneapolis for pretty reasonable prices, and they're like pure sex.
http://www.thebulldognortheast.com/food/ (http://www.thebulldognortheast.com/food/)
Is Kobe beef considered humanely raised? haha
Maybe, but not really what you would call locally produced. But hey, I guess not much of what we shove into our mouths is.
(http://www.funny-potato.com/images/hamburger/record-hamburger.jpg)
Quote from: raynor on Apr 28, 2010, 02:19 PM
Maybe, but not really what you would call locally produced. But hey, I guess not much of what we shove into our mouths is.
Yeah, I don't know if there's a whole lot of genuinely Japanese Kobe beef around in America, besides New York and Las Vegas, etc. They sort of mimic the same style here, too, I guess it's pretty much the exact same besides the origin of the feed.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Apr 28, 2010, 02:56 PM
Quote from: raynor on Apr 28, 2010, 02:19 PM
Maybe, but not really what you would call locally produced. But hey, I guess not much of what we shove into our mouths is.
Yeah, I don't know if there's a whole lot of genuinely Japanese Kobe beef around in America, besides New York and Las Vegas, etc. They sort of mimic the same style here, too, I guess it's pretty much the exact same besides the origin of the feed.
Nah I meant don't you think it's shipped from Japan?
I'm guessing Japan probably exports a lot of imported Kobe beef; I'm definitely not disagreeing with you there, I've just heard that a lot of American Kobe-imitation farms have sprung up to deal with the demand. So not necessarily local, but more local anyways. I just think the only restaurants that do import it are in the major population centers since it's so expensive. I don't think anyone sells imported Kobe beef in Minnesota that I know of, all the American-cultivated variety, which they say is only different in terms of the origin of the cow's feed.
Ah really? That cool. How's a kobe beef by the way? Does it live up to it's hype/price?
And you know I wasn't really dissing you or anything for eating kobe beef, just stating how crazy it is that food is being sent all over. They even have Grissini (italian breadsticks) imported from Italy here in the supermarket. Fucking bread sticks! Just seems like a big hey-fuck-ya to logistics.
Quote from: raynor on Apr 28, 2010, 05:54 PM
Ah really? That cool. How's a kobe beef by the way? Does it live up to it's hype/price?
And you know I wasn't really dissing you or anything for eating kobe beef, just stating how crazy it is that food is being sent all over. They even have Grissini (italian breadsticks) imported from Italy here in the supermarket. Fucking bread sticks! Just seems like a big hey-fuck-ya to logistics.
Oh I know man, no worries, I definitely didn't say it right the first time. But yeah, I haven't had the imported stuff, I've heard the steaks in Vegas can be like 60-70 bucks if not more, fucking crazy. The burgers at that place really are fuckin awesome and reasonably priced, all <$12. They're so fatty and juicy and delicious, definitely a delicacy... and unhealthy.
Haha, who would import fuckin breadsticks? How can you get better breadsticks than the ones at the Olive Garden anyways? But at least that's not like over the ocean, I can't imagine how much more air transport costs compared to ground.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Apr 27, 2010, 06:28 PM
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 26, 2010, 07:17 PM
lol@
-the comparision between blixa and the nazis (i know such argumentation is more common outside germany. but still, i would punch you in the face for that and force you to give an excuse in front of a jewish person)
I was not comparing blixa to the Nazis, I was comparing the hardcore environmental movement to the Nazi movement. Obviously there are stark, clear contrasts between the two, but there are very few movements that have used a "religious" belief in their cause (i say religious because the environmental/global warming/climate change movement operates like a faith-based movement in that no attempts at bringing any sort of reason to their attention have any effect) to cause so much death across the globe. You have to realize that it's not the big, evil corporations that take a hit because of environmental regulations. It is every single person that uses energy or has the potential to in the entire world. Because of the animal rights movement and the enormous costs it's imposed on food purveyors, people in third world countries starve. That is economic fact, and it's something COMPLETELY ignored by all of these Al Gore types and people like yourself. So talk about how compassionate these people are, you just can't be ignorant to the fact that these movements slow the progress of all mankind, impoverishing the globe so #1 we'll inevitably be too poor to be able to have the discretionary resources to invest towards ground breaking, "green" energy and #2 people in third world countries will not be able to afford to industrialize and support themselves and in the process, PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE DYING.
And by the way, you're insanely ignorant for saying that global warming dissent is only given by corporate-supported, American hack-scientists. Check out this list, I'm sure among the 700 papers, there's a few non-Americans.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html (http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html)
Quote from: blixa on Apr 27, 2010, 12:38 AM
thank you, nailec. finally a person who responded maturely and intelligently.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Apr 26, 2010, 04:35 PM
It's the unfortunate consequence of one's inability to intellectually win an argument... Although she does tend to make some rather inflammatory statements from the standpoint of people who have a love, as opposed to a disdain for humanity.
what is so inflammatory about stating the FACT that animal agriculture is one of the leading causes of climate change. i'm paraphrasing natalie portman here when i say that the human cost of factory farming - both the compromised welfare of slaughterhouse workers and, even more, the environmental effects of the mass production of animals - is staggering. factory-farmed food is making hundreds of millions of dollars for CEOs of corporations at the expense of normal people.
the thing i can't respect is the willful forgetting, the kind of people who say "i simply don't want to think about it." it's like not saying something when someone says rape is alright. i think there are a lot of responsible conclusions one could reach about whether to eat animals. there's selective meat-eating from responsible growers and there's being a vegetarian.
it's an unpopular stance to say what i said but hell, i've never really been very popular here anyway and i don't care. i believe eating meat is wrong. that is my personal belief. i'm not saying that i would love to enforce this ideal on anyone. what i would love is for people to reconsider the impact of the way we not only kill our animals, but the way we treat them also. i think there should be harsher legislation passed to find more humane ways in which they are treated and killed.
I'm not saying pollution caused by agriculture is a good thing, it is most definitely something that needs to be constantly improved over time. But you have to realize, there is not enough global wealth in our day and age to be able to devote the resources it would take to achieve your utopia-sort of really nice agriculture industry. Does that mean that I don't think that companies that pollute should be brought to court by those who are affected by the pollution (which is a main reason I am such a fan of property rights)? Hell no, I think that they should most certainly be sued. But look, you're not just forcing their CEOs to take a hit on their salary when you make the companies incur these expenses, it increases prices for EVERYONE. Watch this video, i beg of you.
http://media.mises.org/video/HS_2009/05_HS2009_Woods.wmv (http://media.mises.org/video/HS_2009/05_HS2009_Woods.wmv)
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and no one has given me a reasonable response as to how you can truly love animals yet be perfectly okay with eating them considering the way they are farmed and killed?
It's the ability to recognize the fact that you need to be able to differentiate between human and animal rights, animals would not afford us the same rights we give to them if it came down to them needing to eat. That's it.
i will watch your video if you read jonathan safran foer's book 'eating animals'. it's compelling and i think you will like it. it's not making a case for vegetarianism. it's just giving you facts and things you should know whether you eat meat or not.
apart of being vegan is a belief that i am not better than an animal. we deserve to be treated equally. because we do have the upper hand, it becomes our responsibility to make things better for them. why is it not okay to kick a cat or a dog yet it be okay for a cow to die in the worst conditions for the sake of being somebody's beef patty? i'm just asking for better methods and better ways to treat our animals. it has been proven that meat that comes from an animal who has not been distressed or fed hormones tastes better and is better for you. the thing is, people don't want to pay more for cruelty free and i think that is where the problem is. labels should also be better regulated. free range organic really doesn't mean much. let's look at turkeys: the turkey could have gotten just two minutes to walk about before they're put into a smaller cage. free range is just something that isn't really regulated and is only slapped on as a label to sell turkeys. if animals live decent lives and are killed humanely, i think that would help me sleep better. however, this is not the case in our society, so eating animals is bad.
Quote from: derekautomatica on Apr 28, 2010, 11:03 PM
Quote from: sing blue silver on Apr 28, 2010, 02:36 PM
Quote from: Wax And Wane on Apr 27, 2010, 11:56 PM
Quote from: sing blue silver on Apr 27, 2010, 10:34 PM
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/EMC9e3BMTmmg5eqdUuXkZI5Xo1_500.jpg)
Wendy's? ;D
frick yeah. baconator FTW!
ugh...that's got bad news written all over it.
That will cut a few years off your life in one sitting right there! 8)
Quote from: blixa on Apr 29, 2010, 02:27 PM
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Apr 27, 2010, 06:28 PM
Quote from: Nailec on Apr 26, 2010, 07:17 PM
lol@
-the comparision between blixa and the nazis (i know such argumentation is more common outside germany. but still, i would punch you in the face for that and force you to give an excuse in front of a jewish person)
I was not comparing blixa to the Nazis, I was comparing the hardcore environmental movement to the Nazi movement. Obviously there are stark, clear contrasts between the two, but there are very few movements that have used a "religious" belief in their cause (i say religious because the environmental/global warming/climate change movement operates like a faith-based movement in that no attempts at bringing any sort of reason to their attention have any effect) to cause so much death across the globe. You have to realize that it's not the big, evil corporations that take a hit because of environmental regulations. It is every single person that uses energy or has the potential to in the entire world. Because of the animal rights movement and the enormous costs it's imposed on food purveyors, people in third world countries starve. That is economic fact, and it's something COMPLETELY ignored by all of these Al Gore types and people like yourself. So talk about how compassionate these people are, you just can't be ignorant to the fact that these movements slow the progress of all mankind, impoverishing the globe so #1 we'll inevitably be too poor to be able to have the discretionary resources to invest towards ground breaking, "green" energy and #2 people in third world countries will not be able to afford to industrialize and support themselves and in the process, PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE DYING.
And by the way, you're insanely ignorant for saying that global warming dissent is only given by corporate-supported, American hack-scientists. Check out this list, I'm sure among the 700 papers, there's a few non-Americans.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html (http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html)
Quote from: blixa on Apr 27, 2010, 12:38 AM
thank you, nailec. finally a person who responded maturely and intelligently.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Apr 26, 2010, 04:35 PM
It's the unfortunate consequence of one's inability to intellectually win an argument... Although she does tend to make some rather inflammatory statements from the standpoint of people who have a love, as opposed to a disdain for humanity.
what is so inflammatory about stating the FACT that animal agriculture is one of the leading causes of climate change. i'm paraphrasing natalie portman here when i say that the human cost of factory farming - both the compromised welfare of slaughterhouse workers and, even more, the environmental effects of the mass production of animals - is staggering. factory-farmed food is making hundreds of millions of dollars for CEOs of corporations at the expense of normal people.
the thing i can't respect is the willful forgetting, the kind of people who say "i simply don't want to think about it." it's like not saying something when someone says rape is alright. i think there are a lot of responsible conclusions one could reach about whether to eat animals. there's selective meat-eating from responsible growers and there's being a vegetarian.
it's an unpopular stance to say what i said but hell, i've never really been very popular here anyway and i don't care. i believe eating meat is wrong. that is my personal belief. i'm not saying that i would love to enforce this ideal on anyone. what i would love is for people to reconsider the impact of the way we not only kill our animals, but the way we treat them also. i think there should be harsher legislation passed to find more humane ways in which they are treated and killed.
I'm not saying pollution caused by agriculture is a good thing, it is most definitely something that needs to be constantly improved over time. But you have to realize, there is not enough global wealth in our day and age to be able to devote the resources it would take to achieve your utopia-sort of really nice agriculture industry. Does that mean that I don't think that companies that pollute should be brought to court by those who are affected by the pollution (which is a main reason I am such a fan of property rights)? Hell no, I think that they should most certainly be sued. But look, you're not just forcing their CEOs to take a hit on their salary when you make the companies incur these expenses, it increases prices for EVERYONE. Watch this video, i beg of you.
http://media.mises.org/video/HS_2009/05_HS2009_Woods.wmv (http://media.mises.org/video/HS_2009/05_HS2009_Woods.wmv)
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and no one has given me a reasonable response as to how you can truly love animals yet be perfectly okay with eating them considering the way they are farmed and killed?
It's the ability to recognize the fact that you need to be able to differentiate between human and animal rights, animals would not afford us the same rights we give to them if it came down to them needing to eat. That's it.
i will watch your video if you read jonathan safran foer's book 'eating animals'. it's compelling and i think you will like it. it's not making a case for vegetarianism. it's just giving you facts and things you should know whether you eat meat or not.
apart of being vegan is a belief that i am not better than an animal. we deserve to be treated equally. because we do have the upper hand, it becomes our responsibility to make things better for them. why is it not okay to kick a cat or a dog yet it be okay for a cow to die in the worst conditions for the sake of being somebody's beef patty? i'm just asking for better methods and better ways to treat our animals. it has been proven that meat that comes from an animal who has not been distressed or fed hormones tastes better and is better for you. the thing is, people don't want to pay more for cruelty free and i think that is where the problem is. labels should also be better regulated. free range organic really doesn't mean much. let's look at turkeys: the turkey could have gotten just two minutes to walk about before they're put into a smaller cage. free range is just something that isn't really regulated and is only slapped on as a label to sell turkeys. if animals live decent lives and are killed humanely, i think that would help me sleep better. however, this is not the case in our society, so eating animals is bad.
Well, I'm glad you can consider some form of moderation, and I'm totally with you about constant progression towards cruelty, pollution, whatever-free agriculture. My point is, and the point of that video is that, because the utopian form of production would ultimately be far too expensive to sustain the world's population with today and prior years' technology, you have to be able to weigh the effects on the human population with the inhumanity of the process. It's not that it's all evil capitalists who only care about a profit, look how many people they help, they make more food for everybody; for the richer countries so that they can export more cheaply to the poor countries, who then starve less.
If you really want to help the animals, you have to realize that the world has to be able to become collectively wealthy enough to be able to afford to treat these animals more humanely, and by that I don't mean just the big food companies, I mean every person who buys food, that's who ultimately pays the costs. Nailec said it up there, he would be a vegan but it's too expensive. What you want to be for is sound monetary policy, private property rights, low taxes, with absolutely none related to savings and capital creation, enforced contracts, and little to no redistribution of wealth. When you have that system, every single person is directly and indirectly benefited (a rising tide floats all boats), so much so, that there is such an abundance of resources that we would then be able to afford to buy a humane injection for every cow, chicken and pig we kill. But regulating businesses, increasing costs, does not do anything to help the situation, does not make anyone wealthier. It just entrenches the corporations that can afford these regulations, and are quite probably the most egregious violators of animal "rights," and ensures competitors do not spring up that would do better. I firmly believe that if the costs were low enough, people would choose the more humane choice every time, so that's the reasonable thing to work towards.
QuoteWhat you want to be for is sound monetary policy, private property rights, low taxes, with absolutely none related to savings and capital creation, enforced contracts, and little to no redistribution of wealth. When you have that system, every single person is directly and indirectly benefited (a rising tide floats all boats)
Yeah totally man, right on, don't know about you but i fancy a double down
dont be surprised if you double down, then throw up
Well i doubled down, cant really imagine eating this with out being high though...
i just got high and ate one, and it was pretty good, nothing earth-shattering. obviously it would be better if made fresh, personally. but kudos to them for trying something weird.
damn dude. you're gonna feel that later.
Oh come on...it's just two pieces of chicken, some cheese and some bacon. It's not that bad at all.
yeah, honestly - how much healthier is the white bread you get your burger in? it's all junk food, it's all unhealthy and it will all make you fat if you eat too much of it.
Not me, I exercise. I find that it's the easiest way to avoid getting fat. Beats me why.
even if you exercise you'll get fat if you eat too much junk food so I don't really understand your argument there. but yes, exercise is the easiest and best way to stay thin and healthy. someone who's careful with what they eat can still put on weight if they sit still all day.
Quote from: Jacob on May 10, 2010, 11:58 PM
even if you exercise you'll get fat if you eat too much junk food so I don't really understand your argument there. but yes, exercise is the easiest and best way to stay thin and healthy. someone who's careful with what they eat can still put on weight if they sit still all day.
some people can eat anything metabolism
one of my friends eats anything she fucking wants. but she works out a little and about two hours after she eats she shits it all out. it's all about the metabolism.
Quote from: Jacob on May 10, 2010, 11:58 PM
even if you exercise you'll get fat if you eat too much junk food so I don't really understand your argument there. but yes, exercise is the easiest and best way to stay thin and healthy. someone who's careful with what they eat can still put on weight if they sit still all day.
I know, I should've been more clear, I get consistent anaerobic exercise. I eat shitloads of shitty food and just lose fat at a slower rate, but mostly just gain muscle. My mom even made me go get a physical and my cholesterol was super low, like 125 give or take a few. I'm not trying to brag, I mean everyone's different obviously, but I was fat as a kid, and never really had much of a metabolism until I started building muscle, not like body builder style or anything, but eating extra protein right after lifting doesn't hurt either.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on May 11, 2010, 06:34 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 10, 2010, 11:58 PM
even if you exercise you'll get fat if you eat too much junk food so I don't really understand your argument there. but yes, exercise is the easiest and best way to stay thin and healthy. someone who's careful with what they eat can still put on weight if they sit still all day.
I know, I should've been more clear, I get consistent anaerobic exercise. I eat shitloads of shitty food and just lose fat at a slower rate, but mostly just gain muscle. My mom even made me go get a physical and my cholesterol was super low, like 125 give or take a few. I'm not trying to brag, I mean everyone's different obviously, but I was fat as a kid, and never really had much of a metabolism until I started building muscle, not like body builder style or anything, but eating extra protein right after lifting doesn't hurt either.
+1
i did the same thing playing football. Protein helps a lot.
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I get stoned and eat crap all day every day since I quit drinking. I haven't gained more than five pounds in the last 10 years. Fuck yeah for super fast metabolism.
Quote from: Oldnewtype on Feb 24, 2012, 04:18 PM
I get stoned and eat crap all day every day since I quit drinking. I haven't gained more than five pounds in the last 10 years. Fuck yeah for super fast metabolism.
Watch out for that colon cancer dude. Having said that cannabinoids do have some beneficial properties in that department.