This tread is for people who recently died.
Well, in around a 24-hour period, we've had Clarence Clemons and Ryan Dunn. I'm still banking on Charlie Sheen to round out the rule of 3.
I haven't had time to look into it AT ALL. So don't make fun of me if I sound like a moron. But I heard some rumor that people think Ryan Dunn is faking is death to promote a new movie or something?
Quote from: Variable on Jun 21, 2011, 05:47 AM
I haven't had time to look into it AT ALL. So don't make fun of me if I sound like a moron. But I heard some rumor that people think Ryan Dunn is faking is death to promote a new movie or something?
oh man, I dont think so, thats be cruel
Truly. It was just something the guys at work were talking about.
I heard about Ryan Dunn first thing this morning then completely forgot about it until I watched the showbiz news.
Quote from: Variable on Jun 21, 2011, 05:47 AM
I haven't had time to look into it AT ALL. So don't make fun of me if I sound like a moron. But I heard some rumor that people think Ryan Dunn is faking is death to promote a new movie or something?
Bam's parents verified that it is not a rumor and he really died but who knows.
Quote from: gunsrazorsknives on Jun 21, 2011, 07:28 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 21, 2011, 05:47 AM
I haven't had time to look into it AT ALL. So don't make fun of me if I sound like a moron. But I heard some rumor that people think Ryan Dunn is faking is death to promote a new movie or something?
Bam's parents verified that it is not a rumor and he really died but who knows.
Where is the long form death certificate?
(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee461/billy6650/RYANDEAD.png)
130MPH crash, while under the influence... no sympathy from me. He had it coming.
Quote from: iceache on Jun 22, 2011, 01:15 AM
130MPH crash, while under the influence... no sympathy from me. He had it coming.
If that's true, indeed yes !!
Quote from: gunsrazorsknives on Jun 21, 2011, 07:28 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 21, 2011, 05:47 AM
I haven't had time to look into it AT ALL. So don't make fun of me if I sound like a moron. But I heard some rumor that people think Ryan Dunn is faking is death to promote a new movie or something?
Bam's parents verified that it is not a rumor and he really died but who knows.
Yeah it only took me about 2 min of research to realize those rumors are retarded. That's what I get for typing before thinking.
Quote from: poofing acid on Jun 21, 2011, 08:47 PM
Quote from: gunsrazorsknives on Jun 21, 2011, 07:28 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jun 21, 2011, 05:47 AM
I haven't had time to look into it AT ALL. So don't make fun of me if I sound like a moron. But I heard some rumor that people think Ryan Dunn is faking is death to promote a new movie or something?
Bam's parents verified that it is not a rumor and he really died but who knows.
Where is the long form death certificate?
Good point actually. I am not un-convinced about his death again.
Quote from: iceache on Jun 22, 2011, 01:15 AM
130MPH crash, while under the influence... no sympathy from me. He had it coming.
That's a little cold don't you think? After all, he did get famous for doing stupid shit.
That's also called natural selection, you know... ;)
It might be a bit cold for people saying that being several times over the limit and speeding that he deserved to die, but what about the passenger of the car that also died? Not only was Ryan responsible for his safety and death but also his friends.
130 sounds like an exaggeration, i read it was 110.
Watched Haggard and gave my respects. Don't mean to sound cruel but im glad the first jackass to die did it outside of the show/movie, dying in one of their crazy stunts would be way worse.
Quote from: pissedandpierced on Jun 24, 2011, 04:24 PM
It might be a bit cold for people saying that being several times over the limit and speeding that he deserved to die, but what about the passenger of the car that also died? Not only was Ryan responsible for his safety and death but also his friends.
I don't see how getting into a car with someone you know is wasted is any better than driving wasted. Your chance of dying is the same regardless.
Peter Falk - a memorable tv detective.
Quote from: lukas989 on Jun 25, 2011, 11:32 AM
Peter Falk - a memorable tv detective.
NOOOOO D:
FUCK NO
RIP... I loved Columbo when I was a kid
he also delivered the classic line "SERPENTINE, SERPENTINE!"
No Sympathy whatsoever for Ryan Dunn. Sure, I feel sorry for his freinds and family that will miss him every day, but if ht's dumb enough to get smashed and drive...Good!
The world just got lighter
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jun 21, 2011, 03:09 AM
Well, in around a 24-hour period, we've had Clarence Clemons and Ryan Dunn. I'm still banking on Charlie Sheen to round out the rule of 3.
Charlie Sheen? Nah he's too busy winning to die ;D:
Songify This - Winning - a Song by Charlie Sheen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg#ws)
On a more serious note though, I'm a little shocked (not really, I'm a bit of a cynic myself, but still) to see people saying they have no sympathy for Ryan Dunn. What's up with that? I guess none of you have ever driven while under the influence before? Come on really? I'm the odd man out then, I've driven drunk and/or high many times, but I'm still here. So I actually do have sympathy for Ryan Dunn, even though I still don't miss him being alive or care that he's dead.
Quote from: TheSeeker1080 on Jul 10, 2011, 09:36 AM
On a more serious note though, I'm a little shocked (not really, I'm a bit of a cynic myself, but still) to see people saying they have no sympathy for Ryan Dunn. What's up with that? I guess none of you have ever driven while under the influence before? Come on really? I'm the odd man out then, I've driven drunk and/or high many times, but I'm still here. So I actually do have sympathy for Ryan Dunn, even though I still don't miss him being alive or care that he's dead.
nah, you're just a lucky idiot. remember asshole, you're not only putting your own life at stake when driving under influence.
Quote from: TheSeeker1080 on Jul 10, 2011, 09:36 AM
I guess none of you have ever driven while under the influence before? Come on really?
haha why is that so fucking hard to believe? what a retard
Oh, so I'm automatically an idiot, retard, and an asshole just because I've driven a car drunk before? And someone else who has done so and lost his life doesn't deserve sympathy? I might be an asshole but I'm no retard or idiot. And out of all the times I've driven Under the Influence no one ever got hurt, so don't get your panties in a bunch. And yes, I did find it hard to believe because I don't picture straight edge kids listen to music like Deftones. Because it is pretty rare that you are not striaght edges and that you have been to parties or gotten drunk before and not driven home after, if you have good for you, but that is no reason to get all holier than thou and lower yourself to name calling.
dude i dont even have a drivers license and ive driven drunk. its waaayyyy different in the boonies though.
Quote from: TheSeeker1080 on Jul 10, 2011, 09:36 AM
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jun 21, 2011, 03:09 AM
Well, in around a 24-hour period, we've had Clarence Clemons and Ryan Dunn. I'm still banking on Charlie Sheen to round out the rule of 3.
Charlie Sheen? Nah he's too busy winning to die ;D:
Songify This - Winning - a Song by Charlie Sheen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg#ws)
On a more serious note though, I'm a little shocked (not really, I'm a bit of a cynic myself, but still) to see people saying they have no sympathy for Ryan Dunn. What's up with that? I guess none of you have ever driven while under the influence before? Come on really? I'm the odd man out then, I've driven drunk and/or high many times, but I'm still here. So I actually do have sympathy for Ryan Dunn, even though I still don't miss him being alive or care that he's dead.
No never have. After seeing firsthand what a drunk driver can do to a loved one...you tend to second guess being an idiot.
It's not you getting hurt I care about, it's who else you hurt.
I just don't get mentality like yours:"I've driven smashed a million times and I'm still here" That's fucked up shit! We ;live in a world where John Lennon is murdered for being a genius and you survive for being an idiot.
That's not the mentality at all, when I was younger I made a poor decision to drive drunk, either out of what I thought was necessity or some other reason, and I never said it was "millions" of times. You completely missed the point and were quick to jump to conclusions and become condescending and insulting. My point was: because I have driven drunk before (for whatever reason) I sympathize with someone who has lost their life while doing so. That's all. Pretty simple. I am not condoning the action or saying I still do it, or that I've done it "a million" times.
And, look how pissed you are all getting over something so trivial, you don't know me. No one was hurt the times I've driven drunk including other people (which I've said already) and yet you are so quick to name call, insult my intelligence and even go as far as to compare me to the opposite of John Lennon, saying I should be dead instead of him.
You assume too much, I'm afraid. You assume that I've done this a million times, or that I still do it, or that I don't live in the boonies, or that I look back and think it was okay because no one got hurt. None of these assumptions are correct. On the contrary I look back and consider myself lucky that no one got hurt and I was able to 'get away' with it, so to speak.
PS: John Lennon was not murdered for being a genius.
dude, the problem is that you think it's ok to drive under the influence and that other people do it, simply because of the fact that you've been lucky enough not to get into an accident. what happened to Ryan Dunn should be proof enough for you that it's a stupid thing to do.
Quote from: TheSeeker1080 on Jul 11, 2011, 12:11 AM
Oh, so I'm automatically an idiot, retard, and an asshole just because I've driven a car drunk before? And someone else who has done so and lost his life doesn't deserve sympathy? I might be an asshole but I'm no retard or idiot. And out of all the times I've driven Under the Influence no one ever got hurt, so don't get your panties in a bunch. And yes, I did find it hard to believe because I don't picture straight edge kids listen to music like Deftones. Because it is pretty rare that you are not striaght edges and that you have been to parties or gotten drunk before and not driven home after, if you have good for you, but that is no reason to get all holier than thou and lower yourself to name calling.
this discussion is a little bit old, most members have said what they think about drinkin and driving. in this thread and in other threads. there were those who said "i say no to drinking and driving, i rather take a taxi, bus or train or sleep where the party's at"... and there were those who said "nah, ain't no big deal. no one has been injured so far so I continue to drink and drive til' someone gets hurt"
it was about 50/50. many before you had your opinion, nothing new, what I reacted on was that you couldn't even imagine a person who has never driven a car drunk.what's fucked up is that it's so foreign to you. that's what's new and worth mentioning at this stage.
I apologize for the "retard" thing,got out of control in the heat of the moment.I wish i'd use "mentally challenged" instead
Quote from: Jacob on Jul 11, 2011, 11:38 AM
dude, the problem is that you think it's ok to drive under the influence and that other people do it, simply because of the fact that you've been lucky enough not to get into an accident. what happened to Ryan Dunn should be proof enough for you that it's a stupid thing to do.
Now it's starting to get annoying. Please learn to read. and learn the meaning of the word "condone." I literally just posted saying "I am not condoning the action (drunk driving)." Furthermore I never said it wasn't a stupid thing to do. The real problem here is (again) what I just posted: that you assume too much. You think you know what I think, for some strange reason. As far as why other people do it, IDK, I can't answer for other people.
ONCE AGAIN: my whole point was "because I have driven drunk before (for whatever reason) I sympathize with someone who has lost their life while doing so." At least try to understand, because it is really not difficult. This is a thread called "RIP" Rest in Peace. And I came to look at it and instead of people paying their respects (or whatever) I found the opposite, people making postmortem insults and saying he deserved it, or otherwise displaying an overall lack of sympathy for someone who has passed away. I happen to sympathize with Ryan Dunn's death and I stated why (multiple times now).
Quote from: from_musings on Jul 11, 2011, 11:53 AM
Quote from: TheSeeker1080 on Jul 11, 2011, 12:11 AM
Oh, so I'm automatically an idiot, retard, and an asshole just because I've driven a car drunk before? And someone else who has done so and lost his life doesn't deserve sympathy? I might be an asshole but I'm no retard or idiot. And out of all the times I've driven Under the Influence no one ever got hurt, so don't get your panties in a bunch. And yes, I did find it hard to believe because I don't picture straight edge kids listen to music like Deftones. Because it is pretty rare that you are not striaght edges and that you have been to parties or gotten drunk before and not driven home after, if you have good for you, but that is no reason to get all holier than thou and lower yourself to name calling.
this discussion is a little bit old, most members have said what they think about drinkin and driving. in this thread and in other threads. there were those who said "i say no to drinking and driving, i rather take a taxi, bus or train or sleep where the party's at"... and there were those who said "nah, ain't no big deal. no one has been been injured so far so I continue to drink and drive til' someone gets hurt"
it was about 50/50. many before you had your opinion, nothing new, what I reacted on was that you couldn't even imagine a person who has never driven a car drunk.what's fucked up is that it's so foreign to you. that's what's new and worth mentioning at this stage.
I apologize for the "retard" thing,got out of control in the heat of the moment.I wish i'd use "mentally challanged" instead
How mature of you..... what you quoted was me saying "NONE" of you have driven drunk, and you said "hahaha that so hard to believe, what a retard." Now you are saying something completely different, that it was about 50/50 yet you still go on to call me a retard, when you couldn't even realize what you said before and what you said just now contradict each other.
As you know, I am new to this board so I had no way of knowing the statistics about opinions such as drunk driving (and I'm not going to go digging through old posts).
Quote from: TheSeeker1080 on Jul 11, 2011, 11:53 AM
This is a thread called "RIP" Rest in Peace
RIP also means rest in pieces, so everyone is entitled to their opinion. sorry
Quote from: from_musings on Jul 11, 2011, 12:06 PM
Quote from: TheSeeker1080 on Jul 11, 2011, 11:53 AM
This is a thread called "RIP" Rest in Peace
RIP also means rest in pieces, so everyone is entitled to their opinion. sorry
Way to prove my point that you are immature and lack respect for the dead.
yes sometimes i'm immature. perhaps a lot of times. but for whatever it's worth, it's not that i disrespect dead people at all - it's just that i don't respect ryan dunn dead.because how he died
I drive wasted on coffee everyday. I'm all tweaking behind the wheel and driving like a typical nj asshole.
On a serious note I've driven drunk many times in the past. Now I have a blanket and pillow in my car at all times. I'm too important and awesome to get injured.
I've driven drunk plenty of times, but never after 11 drinks, and never at 140+ mph in my Porsche GT3. I think those were quite probably his main foibles. If I'm feeling the least lack of confidence in my driving skills, I'm driving leaned over the steering wheel with the cruise control set exactly at the speed limit. Haven't had any problems yet, and we all know that the underlying issue is lack of attentiveness or a poor ability-to-aggressiveness ratio, no matter what the cause: booze, weed, prescriptions, tiredness, general mental retardation, what have you. It's just kind of bullshit to place the fault entirely on drinking and driving, and just leads to more justification for the cops to harass people and take more of their money for some ridiculous .09% stop, when those are clearly not the offenders who are the problem, anyways.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/drunkdriving.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/drunkdriving.html)
http://mises.org/daily/3419 (http://mises.org/daily/3419)
:D
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 11, 2011, 05:54 PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/drunkdriving.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/drunkdriving.html)
http://mises.org/daily/3419 (http://mises.org/daily/3419)
:D
Wow, I have never heard these arguments before. I have heard people talking about privatizing the roads, but not in the context of drunk driving.
I only had time to skim through, but it's defiantly interesting. I'm not saying I'm sold, but it's interesting. Especially since some of the words in that lewrockwell.com article have literally come out of my own mouth before (e.g. that drunk drivers kill people, but so do sober drivers, and plenty of people drink and drive without killing anyone)
Did you know that out here in Cali they are giving DUIs for people SLEEPING in the PASSENGER seat of their cars while they were drunk? As long as the keys are in the car, they can do that to you. ESPECIALLY if the car is on ( say, because it's the winter and you needed heat ). I no shit know of this happening to a couple people. It's insane to me.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 12, 2011, 02:02 AM
Did you know that out here in Cali they are giving DUIs for people SLEEPING in the PASSENGER seat of their cars while they were drunk? As long as the keys are in the car, they can do that to you. ESPECIALLY if the car is on ( say, because it's the winter and you needed heat ). I no shit know of this happening to a couple people. It's insane to me.
It's complete bs, but i'm pretty sure it's standard everywhere in the USA. They're gonna get you anyway the can.
I went home (to Albuquerque, NM) a couple years ago, and heard that a man received a DUI for riding his horse, on his own private ranch, with a single beer in his hand.
I can't accept that this scenario, or giving a drunk person a DUI while they were "sleeping it off" in their car, is in any way a form of public safety. It is nothing else but harassment and a way to rake in money for a city or state. It's absolutely ridiculous. But, while I believe that many people share this opinion, few wish to speak about it publicly because they don't want to be seen as sympathizers for drunk drivers; and they know a whole shit storm would come their way from MADD and other robots who can't see past a straight line, much less outside the box.
It must be nice to be an American politician, and know that your citizens have no backbone or resolve.
I agree, as with most things these days it revolves around money. Drunk driving is frowned upon so much these days that of course, no one wants to speak out. I would much rather have someone in their car sleeping it off then out on the roads potentially harming themselves or others. People are going to drink and as a result...will drink and drive. A person should know when they can drive and when they can't. I think that goes without saying.
Don't even get me started on we Americans. Bottom line is were to comfortable and have become lazy. In order to fight the system people would have to give up that comfort and they're not willing. So we all stand idly by well our country is drove in to the ground.
It's funny to me, that a woman can claim rape because a man had sex with her while she was drunk, and she said yes. The courts say that she was not able to consent to sex, because she was drunk and thus had an altered mental status, therefore she can claim that she was raped.
This pretty much says that a person who is drunk, can't make normal decisions in good judgement, thus can't be held accountable for their actions.
This is a WAY different message than what is being delivered through the drunk driving campaign. They say "to hell with your ability to make decisions you god dammed drunk. You could have killed someone." (even though you didn't, and that sober driver over there did). And "Why are we even wasting time defending this dirty-drunk-driver. That poor girl over there got herself drunk and was then raped! Rable rable rable rable rable!"
I never really noticed that aspect of it. All I know is that your right, it sure doesn't send a clear message. You can't choose when you sympathize with drunk decision making and when you don't. I've always felt like the whole rape thing was a little sexist. Although what guy is going to get drunk, have sex with some random girl, and file for rape lol? Unfortunately, i've slept with chicks that I wouldn't have sober, but I deal with the concequences. Too me it's not rape from either prospective.
Quote from: TheSeeker1080 on Jul 11, 2011, 11:32 AM
My point was: because I have driven drunk before (for whatever reason) I sympathize with someone who has lost their life while doing so. That's all. Pretty simple. I am not condoning the action or saying I still do it, or that I've done it "a million" times.
You're a meat-axe.
Quote from: indychinoluv on Jul 13, 2011, 08:07 AM
Quote from: TheSeeker1080 on Jul 11, 2011, 11:32 AM
My point was: because I have driven drunk before (for whatever reason) I sympathize with someone who has lost their life while doing so. That's all. Pretty simple. I am not condoning the action or saying I still do it, or that I've done it "a million" times.
You're a meat-axe.
eh? not sure if i should be offended by that or not.
If you can't figure it out, maybe you should be offended.
well, where I'm from people don't call each other meat-axe, i've never heard of this. So i'm assuming it's some foreign slang for something condescending, in which case, kindly fuck off.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 13, 2011, 05:15 AM
It's funny to me, that a woman can claim rape because a man had sex with her while she was drunk, and she said yes. The courts say that she was not able to consent to sex, because she was drunk and thus had an altered mental status, therefore she can claim that she was raped.
This pretty much says that a person who is drunk, can't make normal decisions in good judgement, thus can't be held accountable for their actions.
This is a WAY different message than what is being delivered through the drunk driving campaign. They say "to hell with your ability to make decisions you god dammed drunk. You could have killed someone." (even though you didn't, and that sober driver over there did). And "Why are we even wasting time defending this dirty-drunk-driver. That poor girl over there got herself drunk and was then raped! Rable rable rable rable rable!"
this just blew my fucking mind. you think about going to law school?
Quote from: Variable on Jul 13, 2011, 05:15 AM
It's funny to me, that a woman can claim rape because a man had sex with her while she was drunk, and she said yes. The courts say that she was not able to consent to sex, because she was drunk and thus had an altered mental status, therefore she can claim that she was raped.
This pretty much says that a person who is drunk, can't make normal decisions in good judgement, thus can't be held accountable for their actions.
This is a WAY different message than what is being delivered through the drunk driving campaign. They say "to hell with your ability to make decisions you god dammed drunk. You could have killed someone." (even though you didn't, and that sober driver over there did). And "Why are we even wasting time defending this dirty-drunk-driver. That poor girl over there got herself drunk and was then raped! Rable rable rable rable rable!"
It's such a shame how small the club of people who understand personal responsibility is. You'd think this type of hypocrisy would be readily apparent. It's pretty similar to contract law, just pretty bastardized.
QuoteIf a person signs a contract while drunk or under the influence of drugs, can that contract be enforced?
Courts are usually not very sympathetic to people who claim they were intoxicated when they signed a contract. Generally a court will only allow the contract to be avoided if the other party to the contract knew about the intoxication and took advantage of the intoxicated person, or if the person was somehow involuntarily intoxicated (e.g. someone spiked the punch).
I do have a bit of a problem with the emboldened text, though, just because that isn't very good law; too subjective and hard to enforce. I mean it'd have to be pretty obvious and clear-cut to just convict on that. But that's beside the point. You're totally right in (essentially) saying that the intoxicated person did (theoretically) put themselves in that state. How is it anybody else's responsibility, much less how could they know whether a person is too fucked up to make a contract? Or rather, how is it their responsibility to police your actions? And if it is, you can just turn that concept on its head; why isn't it always everyone's responsibility to take care of everyone at any juncture? I know people that do plenty of stupid shit while sober but could claim ignorance or lack of understanding, shouldn't someone out there be punished for not preventing it or educating them? It doesn't make any sense.
If I were a betting man, I think that part of contract law is where the prosecutors got the ideas for the manipulations you were talking about.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jul 13, 2011, 01:52 PM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 13, 2011, 05:15 AM
It's funny to me, that a woman can claim rape because a man had sex with her while she was drunk, and she said yes. The courts say that she was not able to consent to sex, because she was drunk and thus had an altered mental status, therefore she can claim that she was raped.
This pretty much says that a person who is drunk, can't make normal decisions in good judgement, thus can't be held accountable for their actions.
This is a WAY different message than what is being delivered through the drunk driving campaign. They say "to hell with your ability to make decisions you god dammed drunk. You could have killed someone." (even though you didn't, and that sober driver over there did). And "Why are we even wasting time defending this dirty-drunk-driver. That poor girl over there got herself drunk and was then raped! Rable rable rable rable rable!"
this just blew my fucking mind. you think about going to law school?
Actually yes. That is my exact goal in life right now. To get out of the Navy and get into law school.
Good luck trying that logic on your average person though. I have tried, only to be accused of "changing the subject away from drunk driving" or other way more ridiculous things that I don't even want to try and remember.
Quote from: TheSeeker1080 on Jul 13, 2011, 08:24 AM
well, where I'm from people don't call each other meat-axe, i've never heard of this. So i'm assuming it's some foreign slang for something condescending, in which case, kindly fuck off.
Judging by the term "where I'm from...". and your too cool picture of a gun, I think it's safe to say your a meat-axe and a Schmuck.
And Variable, you're right on the mark. They just had Slut-Walks here in New Zealand (goggle it if you don't know) where the girls totally missed the point of what the canadian dude said.
There has been a case here where a chick cheated on her boyfriend, then the next morning cried rape. The poor dude (although not convicted) lost his job, all his friends disowned him and ultimatley commited suicide just from the stigma of being labeled a rapist. alvarezbassist17 you are totally on the money about girls (and people) needing to take responsability for their actions.
Quote from: indychinoluv on Jul 15, 2011, 08:02 AM
Quote from: TheSeeker1080 on Jul 13, 2011, 08:24 AM
well, where I'm from people don't call each other meat-axe, i've never heard of this. So i'm assuming it's some foreign slang for something condescending, in which case, kindly fuck off.
Judging by the term "where I'm from...". and your too cool picture of a gun, I think it's safe to say your a meat-axe and a Schmuck.
And Variable, you're right on the mark. They just had Slut-Walks here in New Zealand (goggle it if you don't know) where the girls totally missed the point of what the canadian dude said.
There has been a case here where a chick cheated on her boyfriend, then the next morning cried rape. The poor dude (although not convicted) lost his job, all his friends disowned him and ultimatley commited suicide just from the stigma of being labeled a rapist. alvarezbassist17 you are totally on the money about girls (and people) needing to take responsability for their actions.
The picture that appears below our posts is called a signature, usually referred to as a "sig," the gun in the picture is made by the manufacturer named "SIG" it's a pun. I guess having a quote of someone saying "suck you I'm going home" is better...
"where I'm from" is not a term. I've lived all over the US and visited other countries and have yet to hear someone call me or call someone else a "meat-axe," funny how in the same post you go on to prove I was right by saying you are in New Zealand. Don't expect me to know colloquial insults from New Zealand, stick to yiddish insults like schmuck, those are more well known. Or better idea, don't be an internet tough guy and name call people on a message board. Only two types of people name call: children, and those with the mentality of a child.
Moving on.....
QuoteIf a person signs a contract while drunk or under the influence of drugs, can that contract be enforced?
Courts are usually not very sympathetic to people who claim they were intoxicated when they signed a contract. Generally a court will only allow the contract to be avoided if the other party to the contract knew about the intoxication and took advantage of the intoxicated person, or if the person was somehow involuntarily intoxicated (e.g. someone spiked the punch).
What about the many many cases where a dying old relative has been coaxed into giving power of attorney and/or signed over all their wealth and property to one of their children (or other member of the family) and that person then excludes the rest of the family from having anything? It happens more than you may think and courts go along with it.
Regarding being drunk and rape vs. being drunk and driving, some good points were made, but I'm not sure I can agree. It's the stigma of rape. If you are drunk and have sex with a chick who is too wasted to know what's going on I think personal responsibility should come into play, you should know you are taking a risk by having sex with said chick. Much in the same way you should know not to get in a car and drive if you are too drunk. The problem of course is when you are that drunk decision making is severely impaired. The solution is not to get to that point, there's no real reason to get so drunk to the point where you don't know what's going on and "can't be held accountable" for your actions. I'm not saying don't drink, or even don't get drunk, but why get so drunk you lose the ability to reason? It's not even fun at that point, it's just alcohol abuse and it's mostly people who are alcoholic who get to that point of intoxication.
The drunk chick who was raped can claim to be not in control of her actions thus had an altered mental state, but what if someone was drunk, had an altered mental state, claimed to not be in control of their actions, and murdered someone? (I don't mean with a car I mean physically killed them) Like say they were drunk got into a fight which led to murder. Wouldn't they still be charged with manslaughter? I'm pretty sure they would. So in that situation even though they were drunk, they are still held accountable.
Quote from: TheSeeker1080 on Jul 15, 2011, 05:05 PM
Regarding being drunk and rape vs. being drunk and driving, some good points were made, but I'm not sure I can agree. It's the stigma of rape. If you are drunk and have sex with a chick who is too wasted to know what's going on I think personal responsibility should come into play, you should know you are taking a risk by having sex with said chick. Much in the same way you should know not to get in a car and drive if you are too drunk. The problem of course is when you are that drunk decision making is severely impaired. The solution is not to get to that point, there's no real reason to get so drunk to the point where you don't know what's going on and "can't be held accountable" for your actions. I'm not saying don't drink, or even don't get drunk, but why get so drunk you lose the ability to reason? It's not even fun at that point, it's just alcohol abuse and it's mostly people who are alcoholic who get to that point of intoxication.
The drunk chick who was raped can claim to be not in control of her actions thus had an altered mental state, but what if someone was drunk, had an altered mental state, claimed to not be in control of their actions, and murdered someone? (I don't mean with a car I mean physically killed them) Like say they were drunk got into a fight which led to murder. Wouldn't they still be charged with manslaughter? I'm pretty sure they would. So in that situation even though they were drunk, they are still held accountable.
Ok, a couple of really good conversation points here. I agree with you in a lot of ways (but probably mostly philosophically)
When I said "drunk" I didn't mean that she was "blacked-out intoxicated" to the point that she didn't know what was going on. By law (seriously) if a girl (or a man to be 100% accurate) consumes ANY alcohol, they may fall under this date-rape law. Meaning that even after 2 or 3 beers, when she's just feeling good and makes a bad decision, she is still unable to consent to sex.
Being in the military, we get briefed on this WAY too often. Because it always re-appears. Some wife of a Marine who is deployed to Afghanistan gets lonely and goes off to a local bar to find some "company." She finds another local Marine, lies about her marital status, and fucks him. Now, all is well, until her husbands buddy hears this other marine bragging about fucking her at work. He tells her husband, all hell breaks lose, and in a panic, she claims rape. AND SHE GETS AWAY WITH IT. The poor bastard looking for strange pussy gets demoted and possibly worse, while the poor "victim" wife, gets a great sob story to tell her husband in Afghanistan, all so that she doesn't have to tell him the TRUTH.
This scenario seriously happens more often than a decent person would hope to think. I'm not saying that real rapes don't happen too, just saying that this particular scenario happens all the time.
The point is that the law doesn't just protect victims, it sometimes creates them out of innocent people. And sometimes guilty people (at least in a moral sense) get away with shit, by hiding behind these insane laws.
But my real original point was simply that there is a duality in our legal system. There are many other examples (Cory pointed out one with contract laws) but drunk driving was already being talked about, so I pointed that out.
You can't say, that after only a couple beers, a woman can't concent to sex, therefore any man who sleeps with her ( even when she says yes!) is raping her; While at the same time saying that any wasted bastard who gets behind the wheel of a car, is a criminal. It doesn't make any sense.
You also highlighted another point, our society seems to be fixated on what they perceive to be victims. We make laws based on emotion and passion, not on logic. The law will bend to one side of the ridiculous spectrum and then to the other, based on which side is perceived to be victimized. The girl was penetrated, so shes the victim. The drunk driver COULD HAVE killed someone, therefore society is the victim and he is the criminal. This is silly.
you brought up the point about violence at the hands of a drunk. Ok, but what is the crime? is it being drunk, or is it assault? Assault is the crime, not drinking, so they are arrested for THAT reason.
See, I don't believe that a drunk driver should be acquitted of running into a mini-van and killing a family, just because he was drunk; just the same as I don't believe a female who has had a couple drinks can claim to be rapped (if she in fact consented at the time)
I ALSO don't believe that someone who is "legally drunk" should be arrested or fined for driving, if they caused no harm or damage. A guy who drank 3 beers then drove home, in perfect control of his vehicle, but hit a DUI checkpoint and blew .01 over the limit, shouldn't be fined thousands of dollars and have a black mark on his record. No crime was committed.
I think the first point was simply that a crime has to take place. Sober drivers kill people just as much as drunk drivers. But you get a 100 dollar fine for texting and driving, while a DUI charge can ruin you life. this is un-proportionate and unfair. It really all boils down to money and public perception.What "they" can get away with by stealing and harassing us, without anyone making a big deal about it.
I seriously think people are fools if they honestly believe that things like DUI Laws, the War on Drugs, or even seat belt laws, make us any safer as a society. It's just harassment from big brother, in the ruse of "public safety" so that people accept it, instead of use their logic and resist it. The end result is money after all, that should usually be your first sign that something is wrong; when government profits from making new "criminal laws"
There has to be a victim for there to be a crime. " Habius-Corpus" literally translates to "show me the body" meaning that WAY back in the day, the judges would demand evidence of a crime, before trying somebody. They needed to see the murdered body (proving there was a victim) before they would even consider trying somebody.
Try using that defense in traffic court "your honor, ill pay my speeding ticket if you can show me one victim, one citizen that I hurt" Yeah, that went over well for me.
But it just goes to show how far-removed our society is from any kind of logical or reasonable thinking.....................I think I ranted enough
Quote from: Variable on Jul 16, 2011, 07:30 AM
Ok, a couple of really good conversation points here. I agree with you in a lot of ways (but probably mostly philosophically)
When I said "drunk" I didn't mean that she was "blacked-out intoxicated" to the point that she didn't know what was going on. By law (seriously) if a girl (or a man to be 100% accurate) consumes ANY alcohol, they may fall under this date-rape law. Meaning that even after 2 or 3 beers, when she's just feeling good and makes a bad decision, she is still unable to consent to sex.
Being in the military, we get briefed on this WAY too often. Because it always re-appears. Some wife of a Marine who is deployed to Afghanistan gets lonely and goes off to a local bar to find some "company." She finds another local Marine, lies about her marital status, and fucks him. Now, all is well, until her husbands buddy hears this other marine bragging about fucking her at work. He tells her husband, all hell breaks lose, and in a panic, she claims rape. AND SHE GETS AWAY WITH IT. The poor bastard looking for strange pussy gets demoted and possibly worse, while the poor "victim" wife, gets a great sob story to tell her husband in Afghanistan, all so that she doesn't have to tell him the TRUTH.
This scenario seriously happens more often than a decent person would hope to think. I'm not saying that real rapes don't happen too, just saying that this particular scenario happens all the time.
The point is that the law doesn't just protect victims, it sometimes creates them out of innocent people. And sometimes guilty people (at least in a moral sense) get away with shit, by hiding behind these insane laws.
But my real original point was simply that there is a duality in our legal system. There are many other examples (Cory pointed out one with contract laws) but drunk driving was already being talked about, so I pointed that out.
You can't say, that after only a couple beers, a woman can't concent to sex, therefore any man who sleeps with her ( even when she says yes!) is raping her; While at the same time saying that any wasted bastard who gets behind the wheel of a car, is a criminal. It doesn't make any sense.
You also highlighted another point, our society seems to be fixated on what they perceive to be victims. We make laws based on emotion and passion, not on logic. The law will bend to one side of the ridiculous spectrum and then to the other, based on which side is perceived to be victimized. The girl was penetrated, so shes the victim. The drunk driver COULD HAVE killed someone, therefore society is the victim and he is the criminal. This is silly.
you brought up the point about violence at the hands of a drunk. Ok, but what is the crime? is it being drunk, or is it assault? Assault is the crime, not drinking, so they are arrested for THAT reason.
See, I don't believe that a drunk driver should be acquitted of running into a mini-van and killing a family, just because he was drunk; just the same as I don't believe a female who has had a couple drinks can claim to be rapped (if she in fact consented at the time)
I ALSO don't believe that someone who is "legally drunk" should be arrested or fined for driving, if they caused no harm or damage. A guy who drank 3 beers then drove home, in perfect control of his vehicle, but hit a DUI checkpoint and blew .01 over the limit, shouldn't be fined thousands of dollars and have a black mark on his record. No crime was committed.
I think the first point was simply that a crime has to take place. Sober drivers kill people just as much as drunk drivers. But you get a 100 dollar fine for texting and driving, while a DUI charge can ruin you life. this is un-proportionate and unfair. It really all boils down to money and public perception.What "they" can get away with by stealing and harassing us, without anyone making a big deal about it.
I seriously think people are fools if they honestly believe that things like DUI Laws, the War on Drugs, or even seat belt laws, make us any safer as a society. It's just harassment from big brother, in the ruse of "public safety" so that people accept it, instead of use their logic and resist it. The end result is money after all, that should usually be your first sign that something is wrong; when government profits from making new "criminal laws"
There has to be a victim for there to be a crime. " Habius-Corpus" literally translates to "show me the body" meaning that WAY back in the day, the judges would demand evidence of a crime, before trying somebody. They needed to see the murdered body (proving there was a victim) before they would even consider trying somebody.
Try using that defense in traffic court "your honor, ill pay my speeding ticket if you can show me one victim, one citizen that I hurt" Yeah, that went over well for me.
But it just goes to show how far-removed our society is from any kind of logical or reasonable thinking.....................I think I ranted enough
Good 'rant', I also agree with what you've said here. What is interesting though, among other things, is the part about how drunk the girl was. They have no way of knowing exactly how much she drank or what the blood alcohol content was, because by the time she has reported rape it is too late, most if not all of the alcohol has left her system. (That gives them a lot of power). It would become something like he said / she said, so I guess that is why by law if a girl consumes any amount of alcohol it falls under the date-rape law.
Going back to what was said earlier about signing a contract while drunk, I think that should also make the contract null and void in the same capacity that a drunk girl can claim to be raped and not in control of her actions, without anyone even giving it a second thought. Gotta be a 2-way street here.
Another interesting fact I stumbled across was that, as of 2011 all states enforce .08 as the legal limit. This is down from the legal limit being .15 just a few decades prior. Why did they change it all of a sudden? To me it seems like .15 would give plenty of room for someone to have a few drinks at the bar and be able to drive home without fear of getting a DUI.
Regarding DUI laws and the war on drugs etc, I agree 100%. Not to mention a "war" on drugs is an "un-winnable" war. Almost like the "war on terror." How can you fight against terror with terror? It just breeds more terrorists. Much in the same way, you can't win a war on drugs, you can arrest a whole cartel (not that they do) but another will just spring up and take it's place.
QuoteThere has to be a victim for there to be a crime. " Habius-Corpus" literally translates to "show me the body" meaning that WAY back in the day, the judges would demand evidence of a crime, before trying somebody. They needed to see the murdered body (proving there was a victim) before they would even consider trying somebody.
I honestly didn't even realize that. I'm sure you see why this can't hold up in modern times because of the many other ways evidence can be obtained. Also that seems like murderers would have free range to kill as they please as long as they were able to get rid of the bodies. I've heard of the saying "no body, no murder" but that doesn't always hold up today either.
This thread suddenly got awesome.
Shit, I blew under the legal limit here in Texas and still got a DUI. I never understood how it was illegal if I blew under the legal limit. They did also catch me with a pipe though there was nothing in it. My shitty lawyer told me that they would assume I was drunk and high, thus putting me over the limit. So he had me plead guilty. I really fucking regret pleading guilty. Gotta say it was the stupidest thing I've ever done in my life. But because I didn't have enough money to pay the lawyer to fight the case I went with it.
I wish I would have known enough about the system to represent myself. That was my first experience with court and all that though, and I think people like me are the main ones they take advantage of. Now I've gotta pay over 5 thousand dollars for having 4 beers after work.
Quote from: Necrocetaceanbeastiality on Jul 16, 2011, 09:47 PM
This thread suddenly got awesome.
Yeah, because you showed up!
I want to make a side note before I make a longer reply that most people wont read.
I actually DID try that defense in traffic court recently. Not because I thought it would work, but because I felt like fucking with the judge and seeing what his response would be.
So to recap. I got 3 speeding tickets in about a week and a half. About two weeks ago I went to court to try and ask for mercy and maybe get the prices lowered or get one taken off my record. The judge was a dick and didn't even want to talk to me. So, I tried the "your honor, can you produce one victim? One person that I hurt or any property that I damaged? If not, I do not believe that I committed a crime."
I half expected him to tell me to fuck off. The other half of me expected a lecture on sociopolitical-philosophy and how, in my arrogance, I missed to point of safety for the greater good.
But no, he didn't do that. He just gave me an ominous scowl and asked if I could pay all 800 and something dollars that day. I said yes, and requested to be signed up for driving school, since California residents are allowed to get one ticket taken off their record per year, as long as they go to driving school.
The bastard cracked a very small grin and lowered his forehead so that when he looked at me, his eyes were already half rolled into his head, and he said "I'm not going to give you driving school" with a very demeaning tone that might as well have ended with "you fucking idiot, and I'm loving every minute of controlling your pathetic life. Because I'm a traffic court judge in Joshua Tree, and you are just scum."
Now, this story is relevant to me, because I don't think I committed a crime at all. And I SERIOUSLY believe that I was the victim of discrimination in two of the tickets, and possibly even in the courtroom (the locals HATE military types around here).
But not only did I get ticketed anyways, the bastard judge actually took away traffic school from me. I was half tempted to ask him "so if I go out and kill someone with my car, can I blame you for not letting me go to traffic school?" But I figured I pushed my luck far enough.
Had I called the court and paid my tickets a week before, they would have automatically set me up for driving school. But since I went to court, and spoke my mind, the judge decides to spite me and took that option away. The actions of the judge did not, in any way, contribute to public safety. They did however increase revenue for the city, and he got to feel big and tough because I was in his courtroom. This is an example of government punishing someone for expressing their opinion. Nixon's "enemies list" suddenly comes to mind.
The full story, on my levels, shows harassment on the part of the local sheriffs department and the CA State Police. The Judges actions were also harassing. But we allow this to happen. Because we need the streets to be safer. And this harassment makes the streets safer, so they say.
Quote from: downtownpony on Jul 16, 2011, 10:19 PM
Shit, I blew under the legal limit here in Texas and still got a DUI. I never understood how it was illegal if I blew under the legal limit. They did also catch me with a pipe though there was nothing in it. My shitty lawyer told me that they would assume I was drunk and high, thus putting me over the limit. So he had me plead guilty. I really fucking regret pleading guilty. Gotta say it was the stupidest thing I've ever done in my life. But because I didn't have enough money to pay the lawyer to fight the case I went with it.
I wish I would have known enough about the system to represent myself. That was my first experience with court and all that though, and I think people like me are the main ones they take advantage of. Now I've gotta pay over 5 thousand dollars for having 4 beers after work.
YOU FILTHY FUCKING CRIMINAL!
I don't even know where to start on the whole DUI thing for under the limit. Why even have a limit if you're not going to use it? (how ironically relevant to our nations debt ceiling)
They give you the DUI because they say you were still too imparted to drive (that used to be the difference between a DWI and DUI) But who makes the decision whether you really were impaired or not? The officer, and depending on how ambitious he is, he might want to bring in as much money for the city as possible. Get on the Mayors good side and stuff.
But then, who is checking to see if the people who blow OVER the legal limit actually ARE impaired? because we all know that some people can function perfectly normal with may more in their system than .08 . But no body cares.........why? They care enough to go out of their way and fuck you when you're under the limit, but not help you when you're over it. Hmmmmmmmmm, could money and public perception have something to do with this? I say yes.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 16, 2011, 10:28 PM
Quote from: downtownpony on Jul 16, 2011, 10:19 PM
Shit, I blew under the legal limit here in Texas and still got a DUI. I never understood how it was illegal if I blew under the legal limit. They did also catch me with a pipe though there was nothing in it. My shitty lawyer told me that they would assume I was drunk and high, thus putting me over the limit. So he had me plead guilty. I really fucking regret pleading guilty. Gotta say it was the stupidest thing I've ever done in my life. But because I didn't have enough money to pay the lawyer to fight the case I went with it.
I wish I would have known enough about the system to represent myself. That was my first experience with court and all that though, and I think people like me are the main ones they take advantage of. Now I've gotta pay over 5 thousand dollars for having 4 beers after work.
YOU FILTHY FUCKING CRIMINAL!
I don't even know where to start on the whole DUI thing for under the limit. Why even have a limit if you're not going to use it? (how ironically relevant to our nations debt ceiling)
They give you the DUI because they say you were still too imparted to drive (that used to be the difference between a DWI and DUI) But who makes the decision whether you really were impaired or not? The officer, and depending on how ambitious he is, he might want to bring in as much money for the city as possible. Get on the Mayors good side and stuff.
But then, who is checking to see if the people who blow OVER the legal limit actually ARE impaired? because we all know that some people can function perfectly normal with may more in their system than .08 . But no body cares.........why? They care enough to go out of their way and fuck you when you're under the limit, but not help you when you're over it. Hmmmmmmmmm, could money and public perception have something to do with this? I say yes.
Haha. Shit now I am a criminal according to my record and any close minded person that looks at it. The really fucked up part is the surcharges. Pretty much a hundred dollars a month for the next three years in order to have a valid drivers license. BUT if you got a DUI before 2008 they had a program that said if you hadn't made any payments on your surcharge in like a year, than you could have it reduced to only 20% of what you owe. Only 20% of about 2 thousand dollars. So if you paid them 200 bucks you would be good. Unfortunately if you have been making payments like you were supposed to you would not be eligible for the reduction. It's the same backwards thinking that yall were talking about earlier.
20% of $2000 is $400.
whoops. Still a lot less..
Amy Winehouse is dead.
Can't say I'm surprised.
It was just a matter of time.
not surprising Amy Winehouse
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/8656961/Amy-Winehouse-dies-aged-27.htmlv (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/8656961/Amy-Winehouse-dies-aged-27.htmlv)
Unsurprising sure, but a pity nonetheless. Thought she'd managed to reign it in there a while back, but then that recent travesty at her most recent gig kinda hinted at a return to the scag. All mores the pity that her most famous hit was a collaboration with that fuckwit Mark Ronson. There is however a ready made clone - her goddaughter no less:
Dionne Bromfield - 'Foolin' (Live Session) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AreeGBpq058&feature=relmfu#ws)
I was wondering the American flag at the courthouse was being flown at half mast.
i hope she r.i.p.
but im sure she s gonna try to get high in whereever she is
This puts her in the 27 club. Strange
Quote from: Livewire on Jul 23, 2011, 11:46 PM
This puts her in the 27 club. Strange
talk about overestimation of capabilities
Amy's death is still being investigated but even the most reliable press sources are saying it's drug related which is what most people are thinking. As it has already been said, it was just a matter of time. I just feel for her family, it's not nice having to bury your child.
How weird I was just watching a video of her on youtube yesterday and I never ever listen to music of her.
amy winehouse's death is affecting me more than i thought it would.
From www.wwtdd.com (http://www.wwtdd.com) :
QuoteGood. Good riddance. I'm glad she's dead. If I were at the funeral I'd tip her coffin over and kick the corpse. First of all her music was annoying, but much more importantly she had every chance in the world to get clean, to get off drugs, to save herself. She chose not too. People begged her. She ignored them. This wasn't some poor girl with no options. She had every option. She had access to the best care in the world. This isn't someone who made a mistake or two or twenty. She was an addict and she thought it was cute. She bragged about it in her biggest hit. If she didn't give a shit about her life why should I? If I had a loved one with a drug problem I'd dig Amy up and tie her up on their doorstep like a Halloween decoration. Maybe it would scare them into getting clean. Or if nothing else I could just wait until Halloween to do it and kill two birds with one stone. My house would be the spookiest!
Harsh words, but I gotta say that I agree with him.
Well, not the "I'm glad she's dead" part, but mostly everything else.
i hated her music, i hated her, she got what was coming to her. it was just a matter of time. only thing pissing me off is people lumping her into the bullshit "27 club". that whole thing is entirely stupid but putting this drug addled brat who hasn't made a huge impact (face it, she had one big album five years ago and like 1 or 2 big hits) into the same company as janis joplin, jim morrison, kurt cobain, and jimmy hendrix is just undeserved. those people revolutionized music, made a lasting impact and will always be missed. in 2 or 3 years people will care even less about amy winehouse than they did when she was alive. tortured genius who met an untimely end? i think not. i'd say spoiled brat who lasted longer than i thought she would.
I don't really wish anyone to just keel over and die. But we all knew this was coming. And as for wwtdd, I at least give that dude credit for not backing down, now that she really died. he's been hating her and saying that same shit about her for years.
utter crap. the bigger star you are the more likely you will lose out to addiction, and amy had mental health issues on top of her addiction. her entire struggle was publicised 24/7. the fact is, there was no one around her who cared as much about her as they did about money. where was her manager and PR people when she was going on stage and embarrassing herself and doing interviews when she was completely off her face? who was protecting her? she clearly was in no condition to take care of herself. so far what i've heard is a defeatist attitude from everyone around her who have spoken out about her death. the quote where her mother said she had gotten used to her daughter being dead from a few years back is fucking tragic. on top of amy giving up on amy, everyone else gave up on her too. if my mum gave up on me i would sure as hell give up on myself.
whether you liked her music or not, she had an amazing voice. she was talented. this is beyond sad. i've been encountering a sentiment of 'glad that junkie's dead' a lot and i think people need to readdress how we view addicts in our society. we don't need this type of shock jock crap surfacing around someone who was clearly ill and sadly didn't have the strength to beat her addiction.
amy isn't a lonesome shark. many people have died in the same circumstance and will continue to die and we can't just spit on their corpse and say, 'they got what was coming to them'.
Another shitty blog written by some moron. Thanks for posting. Not.
Tip her coffin and kick the corpse? He should actually try to do that. I'm sure there will be camera teams to broadcast how he gets beaten up by security, and then sued for trying such a stupid thing.
Quote from: blixa on Jul 25, 2011, 02:15 PM
the quote where her mother said she had gotten used to her daughter being dead from a few years back is fucking tragic. on top of amy giving up on amy, everyone else gave up on her too. if my mum gave up on me i would sure as hell give up on myself.
I heard this last night and couldn't believe it. who's mother gets quoted saying that it was only a matter of time until their daughter died?
Quote from: black coffee on Jul 25, 2011, 02:27 PM
Another shitty blog written by some moron. Thanks for posting. Not.
Tip her coffin and kick the corpse? He should actually try to do that. I'm sure there will be camera teams to broadcast how he gets beaten up by security, and then sued for trying such a stupid thing.
Hey man, wwtdd is fucking hilarious. If you think that's bad, go find some of the stuff he's written about Jennifer Aniston.
Mazzy, how can you say no one tried to help her? They told her to go to rehab. She said, "no, no, no."
hahaha how long have you been sitting on that goldmine of a joke?
i was listening to the radio today and this australian reporter that interviewed amy was saying how her manager just walked amy (who was off her face) into the room and just left her there. the reporter never published the interview because she thought the whole thing was too sad. amy just looked completely sad. but she said that she then went and saw her live after an hour and she was amazing onstage.
but we don't know what she died of yet. police didn't find any drugs in her house.
Quote from: blixa on Jul 25, 2011, 02:48 PM
police didn't find any drugs in her house.
probably because she took them all.
Quote from: poofing acid on Jul 25, 2011, 02:37 PM
Mazzy, how can you say no one tried to help her? They told her to go to rehab. She said, "no, no, no."
So she even wrote song about people trying to help her, and she says no. If her songs have anything to do with her real life than I'd say people have been trying to help her. She obviously didn't want any help.
Quote from: blixa on Jul 25, 2011, 02:15 PM
utter crap. the bigger star you are the more likely you will lose out to addiction
I don't buy that for a single second. There are multitudes of stars that are infinitely bigger than the one-hit-wonder, Amy Winehouse; who never OD or get dragged into a downward-spiral of drug addiction.
I could start a list, I suppose, but it's so long and obvious that it's not even worth going after.
Now, I think I pretty much agree with everything else that you said. Regardless of if people suggested that she go to rehab or whatever, that doesn't mean that anyone really cared or actually tried to help her.
The other simple reality is that an addict wont get rel help until they actually want it. Am I wrong? Or didn't she actually go to rehab, multiple times? I seem to remember a lot of corny jokes about people saying "they told her to go to rehab and she said yes, yes, yes." But just because someone goes to rehab, doesn't mean they got help ( anyone every heard of Scott Weiland? ) But see, Scott mannaged to stay cool while he was addicted, so people aren't blogging about how they hope he dies.
Blixa, my dear, A LOT of people just don't understand what true addiction is. They don't understand that the brain of an addict is literally wired different than the brain of a non-addict ( in the most literal scientific way ). To an addict, getting their drug is not a choice, it becomes a survival instinct just like food and water. Your brain thinks that you HAVE to have it. Its not a choice at that point. So it takes a lot more than a quick pat on the back and "hey you, why don't you go to rehab?" to fix a problem like serious drug addiction.
My point is that there is no need getting mad at people who don't understand these things. Because they don't know, what they don't know. Does that makes sense? I don't want to call them ignorant because I like a lot of them, but it is what it is.
Also, I automatically tune anyone out that gets happy about someones death. It's a human being, that died. But people get caught up in the hype and righteousness of it all, and lose sight that one of their brothers or sisters just died.
Apparently her death is due to a cocktail of Cocaine, Heroin and Ketamine,
Ah, Ketamine. What a bitch. I have been trying to get my hands on some of that for a while now.
K-holes are fun.
I'll take some please
Quote from: Variable on Jul 25, 2011, 08:05 PM
Quote from: blixa on Jul 25, 2011, 02:15 PM
utter crap. the bigger star you are the more likely you will lose out to addiction
Now, I think I pretty much agree with everything else that you said. Regardless of if people suggested that she go to rehab or whatever, that doesn't mean that anyone really cared or actually tried to help her.
The other simple reality is that an addict wont get rel help until they actually want it. Am I wrong? Or didn't she actually go to rehab, multiple times? I seem to remember a lot of corny jokes about people saying "they told her to go to rehab and she said yes, yes, yes." But just because someone goes to rehab, doesn't mean they got help ( anyone every heard of Scott Weiland? ) But see, Scott mannaged to stay cool while he was addicted, so people aren't blogging about how they hope he dies.
Blixa, my dear, A LOT of people just don't understand what true addiction is. They don't understand that the brain of an addict is literally wired different than the brain of a non-addict ( in the most literal scientific way ). To an addict, getting their drug is not a choice, it becomes a survival instinct just like food and water. Your brain thinks that you HAVE to have it. Its not a choice at that point. So it takes a lot more than a quick pat on the back and "hey you, why don't you go to rehab?" to fix a problem like serious drug addiction.
My point is that there is no need getting mad at people who don't understand these things. Because they don't know, what they don't know. Does that makes sense? I don't want to call them ignorant because I like a lot of them, but it is what it is.
Beautifully said. I recently lost a loved one to drug addiction and speaking from my experiences with that I could never, ever try to understand what they went through on a daily basis. An addict's brain is hardwired differently and it is extremely easy to write them off when you don't understand it. I don't want to call these people ignorant, either but unless you're in that situation yourself it is very difficult to understand.
The hardest part is admitting you have a problem without being in denial and it seems as if maybe Amy never got over that hump. You can only help yourself when you admit you need help. Just because someone has the means and resources to go to rehab doesn't necessarily mean they'll get proper treatment or take the program seriously enough to keep up the treatment. And you sure as hell can't drag them there against their will because it goes back to the whole admitting you have a problem. Rehab only gets addicts on the right track--living an every day life is all up to them after that, and for a lot of addicts that can be frightening.
Of course, having your own mother admit to having lost hope years ago does not help either, but being in that position myself I can understand why she would lose hope. Addiction is a horrible disease that affects a lot of people. I'm sympathetic to both sides.
the fact that she is such big news and half the people here in america have no idea 80-something kids and young adults were innocently murdered really fuckin pisses me off.
Quote from: Oldnewtype on Jul 26, 2011, 01:39 AM
the fact that she is such big news and half the people here in america have no idea 80-something kids and young adults were innocently murdered really fuckin pisses me off.
thats so sad, I hope that guy rots in hell
You guys talking about Norway? Or the famine in africa where everyone is starving and mothers are leaving their kids to die on the sides of roads.
everywhere its all sad
Seriously, NONE of my friends know about what happened in Noway. I even tried to tell some of them (the Christian types that I worry about sometimes) to look it up, and none of them even cared enough to look into it. If it didn't happen in the US, they don't care.
Quote from: chick de la lynch on Jul 26, 2011, 12:23 AM
Quote from: Variable on Jul 25, 2011, 08:05 PM
Quote from: blixa on Jul 25, 2011, 02:15 PM
utter crap. the bigger star you are the more likely you will lose out to addiction
Now, I think I pretty much agree with everything else that you said. Regardless of if people suggested that she go to rehab or whatever, that doesn't mean that anyone really cared or actually tried to help her.
The other simple reality is that an addict wont get rel help until they actually want it. Am I wrong? Or didn't she actually go to rehab, multiple times? I seem to remember a lot of corny jokes about people saying "they told her to go to rehab and she said yes, yes, yes." But just because someone goes to rehab, doesn't mean they got help ( anyone every heard of Scott Weiland? ) But see, Scott mannaged to stay cool while he was addicted, so people aren't blogging about how they hope he dies.
Blixa, my dear, A LOT of people just don't understand what true addiction is. They don't understand that the brain of an addict is literally wired different than the brain of a non-addict ( in the most literal scientific way ). To an addict, getting their drug is not a choice, it becomes a survival instinct just like food and water. Your brain thinks that you HAVE to have it. Its not a choice at that point. So it takes a lot more than a quick pat on the back and "hey you, why don't you go to rehab?" to fix a problem like serious drug addiction.
My point is that there is no need getting mad at people who don't understand these things. Because they don't know, what they don't know. Does that makes sense? I don't want to call them ignorant because I like a lot of them, but it is what it is.
Beautifully said. I recently lost a loved one to drug addiction and speaking from my experiences with that I could never, ever try to understand what they went through on a daily basis. An addict's brain is hardwired differently and it is extremely easy to write them off when you don't understand it. I don't want to call these people ignorant, either but unless you're in that situation yourself it is very difficult to understand.
The hardest part is admitting you have a problem without being in denial and it seems as if maybe Amy never got over that hump. You can only help yourself when you admit you need help. Just because someone has the means and resources to go to rehab doesn't necessarily mean they'll get proper treatment or take the program seriously enough to keep up the treatment. And you sure as hell can't drag them there against their will because it goes back to the whole admitting you have a problem. Rehab only gets addicts on the right track--living an every day life is all up to them after that, and for a lot of addicts that can be frightening.
Of course, having your own mother admit to having lost hope years ago does not help either, but being in that position myself I can understand why she would lose hope. Addiction is a horrible disease that affects a lot of people. I'm sympathetic to both sides.
One caveat to that whole thing that neither of us mentioned.
MANY addicts completely acknowledge their "problem" but just don't care. Or they like it. Maybe they even realize they are addicted, but don't see it as a problem.
Our society (and I think I can pretty much speak globally here; in general terms) ridiculous. We see addicts as criminals and degenerates instead of sick people. It's really disturbing. I think the reason that most people think like this, is because they were TOLD to think like that. Not because they really ever sat down and tried to understand it, then came up with that conclusion. Probably the same type of non-thinking that led people to believe that black people were not human, women were of inferior to men, and gays shouldn't be able to legally marry. (lol oh shit, that last one is still going on isn't it?)
legalize er'rythang
word
Quote from: Variable on Jul 26, 2011, 02:54 AM
Seriously, NONE of my friends know about what happened in Noway. I even tried to tell some of them (the Christian types that I worry about sometimes) to look it up, and none of them even cared enough to look into it. If it didn't happen in the US, they don't care.
Internet hasn't arrived to your friends houses?
Just because people have the internet, doesn't mean they read news stories.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 26, 2011, 03:36 AM
Just because people have the internet, doesn't mean they read news stories.
that a fact right there.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 26, 2011, 02:54 AM
Seriously, NONE of my friends know about what happened in Noway. I even tried to tell some of them (the Christian types that I worry about sometimes) to look it up, and none of them even cared enough to look into it. If it didn't happen in the US, they don't care.
This pisses me off as well. I know we've got a debt crisis over here, but normally when an act of terror occurs our media goes into a frenzy. today it was just thrown in there with a Winehouse story and the NFL lockout in the back half of the news.
Quote from: Variable on Jul 25, 2011, 08:05 PM
Quote from: blixa on Jul 25, 2011, 02:15 PM
utter crap. the bigger star you are the more likely you will lose out to addiction
I don't buy that for a single second. There are multitudes of stars that are infinitely bigger than the one-hit-wonder, Amy Winehouse; who never OD or get dragged into a downward-spiral of drug addiction.
I could start a list, I suppose, but it's so long and obvious that it's not even worth going after.
Now, I think I pretty much agree with everything else that you said. Regardless of if people suggested that she go to rehab or whatever, that doesn't mean that anyone really cared or actually tried to help her.
The other simple reality is that an addict wont get rel help until they actually want it. Am I wrong? Or didn't she actually go to rehab, multiple times? I seem to remember a lot of corny jokes about people saying "they told her to go to rehab and she said yes, yes, yes." But just because someone goes to rehab, doesn't mean they got help ( anyone every heard of Scott Weiland? ) But see, Scott mannaged to stay cool while he was addicted, so people aren't blogging about how they hope he dies.
Blixa, my dear, A LOT of people just don't understand what true addiction is. They don't understand that the brain of an addict is literally wired different than the brain of a non-addict ( in the most literal scientific way ). To an addict, getting their drug is not a choice, it becomes a survival instinct just like food and water. Your brain thinks that you HAVE to have it. Its not a choice at that point. So it takes a lot more than a quick pat on the back and "hey you, why don't you go to rehab?" to fix a problem like serious drug addiction.
My point is that there is no need getting mad at people who don't understand these things. Because they don't know, what they don't know. Does that makes sense? I don't want to call them ignorant because I like a lot of them, but it is what it is.
Also, I automatically tune anyone out that gets happy about someones death. It's a human being, that died. But people get caught up in the hype and righteousness of it all, and lose sight that one of their brothers or sisters just died.
i think having your struggle with addiction played out constantly in the media is a lot worse than suffering and dealing with addiction in private. in my personal opinion, amy winehouse was a person who was slowly descending into an abyss that she was not going to surface from, but her death was still a shock to me. i just...cannot stand the ignorance of some people in regards to her death. they make crude jokes about it and say she got what she deserved. i cannot come to terms with that. drug addiction is a big problem in our society and this very cold attitude that some people have towards addicts helps no one.
these are the same people who can have sympathy for a person who bets their house at the pokies and loses everything but not for a person who had another form of addiction and lost their life.
Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal
July 7, 2011 by Trevor Lyman
Drug warriors often contend that drug use would skyrocket if we were to legalize or decriminalize drugs in the United States. Fortunately, we have a real-world example of the actual effects of ending the violent, expensive War on Drugs and replacing it with a system of treatment for problem users and addicts.
Ten years ago, Portugal decriminalized all drugs. One decade after this unprecedented experiment, drug abuse is down by half:
Health experts in Portugal said Friday that Portugal's decision 10 years ago to decriminalise drug use and treat addicts rather than punishing them is an experiment that has worked.
"There is no doubt that the phenomenon of addiction is in decline in Portugal," said Joao Goulao, President of the Institute of Drugs and Drugs Addiction, a press conference to mark the 10th anniversary of the law.
The number of addicts considered "problematic" — those who repeatedly use "hard" drugs and intravenous users — had fallen by half since the early 1990s, when the figure was estimated at around 100,000 people, Goulao said.
Other factors had also played their part however, Goulao, a medical doctor added.
"This development can not only be attributed to decriminalisation but to a confluence of treatment and risk reduction policies."
Many of these innovative treatment procedures would not have emerged if addicts had continued to be arrested and locked up rather than treated by medical experts and psychologists. Currently 40,000 people in Portugal are being treated for drug abuse. This is a far cheaper, far more humane way to tackle the problem. Rather than locking up 100,000 criminals, the Portuguese are working to cure 40,000 patients and fine-tuning a whole new canon of drug treatment knowledge at the same time.
None of this is possible when waging a war.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 26, 2011, 05:25 PM
Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal
July 7, 2011 by Trevor Lyman
Drug warriors often contend that drug use would skyrocket if we were to legalize or decriminalize drugs in the United States. Fortunately, we have a real-world example of the actual effects of ending the violent, expensive War on Drugs and replacing it with a system of treatment for problem users and addicts.
Ten years ago, Portugal decriminalized all drugs. One decade after this unprecedented experiment, drug abuse is down by half:
Health experts in Portugal said Friday that Portugal's decision 10 years ago to decriminalise drug use and treat addicts rather than punishing them is an experiment that has worked.
"There is no doubt that the phenomenon of addiction is in decline in Portugal," said Joao Goulao, President of the Institute of Drugs and Drugs Addiction, a press conference to mark the 10th anniversary of the law.
The number of addicts considered "problematic" — those who repeatedly use "hard" drugs and intravenous users — had fallen by half since the early 1990s, when the figure was estimated at around 100,000 people, Goulao said.
Other factors had also played their part however, Goulao, a medical doctor added.
"This development can not only be attributed to decriminalisation but to a confluence of treatment and risk reduction policies."
Many of these innovative treatment procedures would not have emerged if addicts had continued to be arrested and locked up rather than treated by medical experts and psychologists. Currently 40,000 people in Portugal are being treated for drug abuse. This is a far cheaper, far more humane way to tackle the problem. Rather than locking up 100,000 criminals, the Portuguese are working to cure 40,000 patients and fine-tuning a whole new canon of drug treatment knowledge at the same time.
None of this is possible when waging a war.
Hopefully other countries will learn from this example.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 26, 2011, 05:25 PM
Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal
July 7, 2011 by Trevor Lyman
Drug warriors often contend that drug use would skyrocket if we were to legalize or decriminalize drugs in the United States. Fortunately, we have a real-world example of the actual effects of ending the violent, expensive War on Drugs and replacing it with a system of treatment for problem users and addicts.
Ten years ago, Portugal decriminalized all drugs. One decade after this unprecedented experiment, drug abuse is down by half:
Health experts in Portugal said Friday that Portugal's decision 10 years ago to decriminalise drug use and treat addicts rather than punishing them is an experiment that has worked.
"There is no doubt that the phenomenon of addiction is in decline in Portugal," said Joao Goulao, President of the Institute of Drugs and Drugs Addiction, a press conference to mark the 10th anniversary of the law.
The number of addicts considered "problematic" — those who repeatedly use "hard" drugs and intravenous users — had fallen by half since the early 1990s, when the figure was estimated at around 100,000 people, Goulao said.
Other factors had also played their part however, Goulao, a medical doctor added.
"This development can not only be attributed to decriminalisation but to a confluence of treatment and risk reduction policies."
Many of these innovative treatment procedures would not have emerged if addicts had continued to be arrested and locked up rather than treated by medical experts and psychologists. Currently 40,000 people in Portugal are being treated for drug abuse. This is a far cheaper, far more humane way to tackle the problem. Rather than locking up 100,000 criminals, the Portuguese are working to cure 40,000 patients and fine-tuning a whole new canon of drug treatment knowledge at the same time.
None of this is possible when waging a war.
uh, thank you sir, for posting this (without a link you d-bag). Don't worry, I googled the link for myself and shared it with others.
This is very cool though. I mean, I'm sure it will get spun 6000 ways; but still, it's good that this kind of stuff is finally hitting the press in a real and not hypothetical form.
I recently wrote a paper on why all drugs should be decriminalized (highest grade in the class for the entire semester btw ;) ) But the hardest part of writing a paper like that is convincing the reader that decriminalizing drugs would actually lower drug use. Because the only real argument for that lies in theory and logic, not the scientific method. But this, is at least a start. Thanks again man.
i can't imagine my country heading down that route. a lot of people are still crying injustice over the injection rooms even though they have decreased overdoses and disease spread by dirty needles amongst drug users.
dont get me wrong, but that article is twisted. drugs arent legal here in portugal, the use of it, is (however if you get caught you need to identify yourself and if you have a quantity above 10 times the average daily you are considered a drug dealer and get arrested, also if you get caught with less than that amount, for like 3 times, cops identify you and you need to go to a drug addiction session)
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If you ask me, this model is a big lie, you dont legalize drugs, decriminalize its use, drug traffic still exists and pretend everything is ok, hiding the ugly truth.
regarding this subject, two days ago in the documentaries topic i posted two docs about drugs. check them out, it really makes you think.
I guess the point is more that they're headed in a better direction, do you think it's gotten better or worse?
I'm absolutely for complete legalization, I just think portugal's a pretty good pedagogical example, and really the only one we have.
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 26, 2011, 05:25 PM
Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal
July 7, 2011 by Trevor Lyman
Drug warriors often contend that drug use would skyrocket if we were to legalize or decriminalize drugs in the United States. Fortunately, we have a real-world example of the actual effects of ending the violent, expensive War on Drugs and replacing it with a system of treatment for problem users and addicts.
Ten years ago, Portugal decriminalized all drugs. One decade after this unprecedented experiment, drug abuse is down by half:
Health experts in Portugal said Friday that Portugal's decision 10 years ago to decriminalise drug use and treat addicts rather than punishing them is an experiment that has worked.
"There is no doubt that the phenomenon of addiction is in decline in Portugal," said Joao Goulao, President of the Institute of Drugs and Drugs Addiction, a press conference to mark the 10th anniversary of the law.
The number of addicts considered "problematic" — those who repeatedly use "hard" drugs and intravenous users — had fallen by half since the early 1990s, when the figure was estimated at around 100,000 people, Goulao said.
Other factors had also played their part however, Goulao, a medical doctor added.
"This development can not only be attributed to decriminalisation but to a confluence of treatment and risk reduction policies."
Many of these innovative treatment procedures would not have emerged if addicts had continued to be arrested and locked up rather than treated by medical experts and psychologists. Currently 40,000 people in Portugal are being treated for drug abuse. This is a far cheaper, far more humane way to tackle the problem. Rather than locking up 100,000 criminals, the Portuguese are working to cure 40,000 patients and fine-tuning a whole new canon of drug treatment knowledge at the same time.
None of this is possible when waging a war.
Portugal fuck yeah
Quote from: alvarezbassist17 on Jul 27, 2011, 03:46 PM
I guess the point is more that they're headed in a better direction, do you think it's gotten better or worse?
I'm absolutely for complete legalization, I just think portugal's a pretty good pedagogical example, and really the only one we have.
to be honest i dont see much of a difference in terms on demand for drugs. but it has its good points as not filling prisons will addicts and less police focus on those. but the ugly truth of traffic exists.
now in the city where i live, in the past few months, there has been a major controversy over the so called legal drugs, which are sold in stores. which look likes herbs, but its full of chemicals, which are dangerous as hell. the thing is, if they include one chemical in the "black list of substances" which are considered drugs, the laboratories will just make a variation of it, which legally isnt the same as the banned one and its a spiral with no end. a complete waste of time for everyone.
im full support of drugs being sold in stores (obviously not to persons with mental illness or under 18), that would target the drug traffic (it will always exists, as still exist with tobacco, but it would be severe affected), the state would earn more money from taxes from the business of drugs and the consumer will know they are buying quality drugs, not mixed with other shit as they do today.
its a social, conservative and fear of what would happen and seriously i dont think it will happen in our time, maybe in 100 years.
just because tobacco and alcohol is legal, not everyone is drunk and smoking 24/7. but this so called, developed society is afraid of changes.
RIP everyone who passed away during the 9/11 attacks....I cant imagine how it must have been in that building or on that plane. I'm just sorry, my prayers go out to anyone who lost a love one on that tragic day.....
rest in peace pre-9/11 america. you were somewhat tolerable before so...now you're an annoying fucking douche.
way to honor dead americans by trolling the rest that are still alive.
happy 9/11 everyone!
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OHHH YEAAAAAAAAH
i lol'd
no, but in all seriousness, this still gets me after all this time.
tribute.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AYujWCCHRk#)
Spartacus died
http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/12/spartacus-star-andy-whitfield-dead-at-39/ (http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/12/spartacus-star-andy-whitfield-dead-at-39/)
Never seen the show, but damn...39 years old. Pretty damn sad. Cancer's a bitch.
http://www.apple.com/ (http://www.apple.com/)
RIP.
Guess they should have debuted the iCoffin yesterday.
Too soon?
d'oh!
lol
RIP Steve Jobs, thanks for the free phone.
seriously though, he was important, he did give us the mouse and Pixar.
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as much as I despise Apple, that shit just isn't funny. it's stupid. plain and simple childish. grow up.
Man your a fuckin douche
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Quote from: Jacob on Oct 06, 2011, 05:27 PM
that shit just isn't funny. it's stupid. plain and simple childish. grow up.
lmao im stealing that CSI Miami one
and being able to laugh at the darksides to life is awfully opposed to childish. I dont think anyone hear has a personal vendetta against Steve Jobs. well except Jacob, he despises apple. The man was a visionary i use at least one apple product everyday. I dont think Steve would mind our little laugh at his expense or may his ipod strike my ears now
Quote from: deftones86 on Oct 06, 2011, 06:27 PM
and being able to laugh at the darksides to life is awfully opposed to childish. I dont think anyone hear has a personal vendetta against Steve Jobs. well except Jacob, he despises apple. The man was a visionary i use at least one apple product everyday. I dont think Steve would mind our little laugh at his expense or may his ipod strike my ears now
I do feel a little bad about laughing at some of these posting, which are by the way hilarious, but I agree with what you said. If anything it shows how much of an influence he was on our culture today and I think that says a lot.
Quote from: theis on Oct 06, 2011, 06:13 PM
Quote from: Jacob on Oct 06, 2011, 05:27 PM
that shit just isn't funny. it's stupid. plain and simple childish. grow up.
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Fuck Apple. Fuck the ipod. lol@jacob and theis
lol that pictures actually pretty funny
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Mikey Welsh died, he played bass for Weezer green album era
I leave Chicago for one weekend and someone pretty awesome dies.
can anyone imagine what awesome shit steve could have invited 20 years from now??? he was only 56. Im sure he had some great ideas left to work with.
reposting this here as well.
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Quote from: sing blue silver on Oct 11, 2011, 10:22 PM
reposting this here as well.
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The crazy part of this is,JVittitow (Jordan Vittitow) is my neighbor (4 houses down from me) and he had been talking about how Mikey was coming to town (my little town of Portland) and that they were going to shoot some pictures while he was here. He wrote a note on FB about this:
"This has been super tough for me to deal with over the past couple days...A couple of the pictures I took have been used on various news sites, websites, and .com boards...It is just super surreal for me at this point...I've posted on Mikey's FB page, but have yet to post anything on mine...It's been surprisingly rough...Such a great guy and I'm so sorry to see him leave so soon...
You guys may, or may not remember him from a little band called Weezer...He was the bass player on their "Green" album...That album proved to be one of the bands highest selling records ever...so much so that the record companies couldn't even make "gold" plaques for them...it went platinum that fast...
Anyway, this is a brief overview of the time that I spent with Mikey...
So, pretty much about this exact time last week, Mikey was on a plane headed south towards my place just a little north of Nashville...That afternoon when he got in, we met up for dinner and to hang out together, catch up, etc...It was a great night, full of alot o......f great stories and tons of laughs...
On Monday, we spent the entire day together taking pictures and hanging out...The pic I've attached, is one of many that I took during our time together...It was funny, we were driving around looking for cool places to shoot and we drive over this big bridge, with a river flowing under it...He looks out the passenger side window and says "Hey, let's go down there!" I'm like, "uhh, ok."
I pull off and find a place to park and grab my photo gear and we head off thrashing through the woods towards the river below...It was like walking through a jungle getting down there...It was very hot that day, super humid and muddy...but it was worth it...It was pretty funny as we're walking down to the river, he grabs a stick that is basically the size of a 2x4...I give him a "What's that for?" look and he simply replies, "Just in case I see a snake...I hate snakes." and then smiles at me...
We got some cool photos and had fun hanging out by the river that afternoon...The shot of him on the Weezer.com page was taken down there as well...That was actually his favorite one of the day...
Unfortunately, some PR and promo related stuff promopted him to have to leave several days before he had originally planned too...He jumped on a plane Tuesday afternoon for Chicago...
Monday night was the last time I saw him...As he got into his car to leave my house, he looks at me and says "So, we've got a plan for Tuesday, right?" I remember looking at him and said "Of course we do." I gave him a little wink and off he went...
Mikey was a rare, unique and gifted individual...I'm so glad that I was able to call him a friend and I'll certainly miss not having him in this world...
Anyway, here's some photo's...I hope you guys enjoy it as much as we did creating it...It's crazy how much I miss this guy right now..."
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I lol'd
he's got to be one of the ugliest people ever to walk the earth
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His soul was the ugliest one ever, too..
RIP Ben Breedlove
guess the angels and god decided to kill him anyway
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whitney houston, though not a big surprise
The rule of 3:
Ben Gazzara (Jackie Treehorn)
Bill Hinzman (Zombie #1)
Whitney Houston
keanu reeves is a lie, right
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Brittany Murphy (November 10, 1977 – December 20, 2009)
RIP Michael Clarke Duncan.
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:(
RIP. That's 2 from Sin City now. Both were so young too.
just saw it
:(
rip
This one is actually pretty sad :(
I was gonna post about it but damn that sux :( Great voice on God OF War 2 as Atlas and he did pretty good on Sin City RIP
Quote from: RoyalDeftonicBoy on Sep 03, 2012, 11:56 PM
I was gonna post about it but damn that sux :( Great voice on God OF War 2 as Atlas and he did pretty good on Sin City RIP
He was the victim in my favorite scene of that movie, where the prostitutes are all raining bullets down on him and his henchmen.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Sep 04, 2012, 12:07 AM
Quote from: RoyalDeftonicBoy on Sep 03, 2012, 11:56 PM
I was gonna post about it but damn that sux :( Great voice on God OF War 2 as Atlas and he did pretty good on Sin City RIP
He was the victim in my favorite scene of that movie, where the prostitutes are all raining bullets down on him and his henchmen.
Yeah and him looking with a mad face at all of them.I wonder if the pre production of Sin City 2: A Dame To Kill (2013) will be stop yet once again due to this tragic and awful situation.I wonder if even his character had part on the upcoming movie.
Terry Nutkins.
The children and staff at Sandy Hook Elementary...
So tragic. Fuck, man...
I can't quit crying and I don't even know these people. All I can do is imagine the faces of the children at my daughters school Christmas play last night,and it just breaks my heart,as a parent,to think of what these families are going through right now. I cannot even imagine. :'(
So horrible. And to think most of them were in a single kindergarten class. All I could think is that they were the same age as my goddaughter.
This country better get ready for a big discussion on gun control.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Dec 14, 2012, 09:17 PM
This country better get ready for a big discussion on gun control.
This should have happened ages ago and the fact that is hasn't makes me angry. If this doesn't make people wake up, I don't know what will.
My big question: Why children? I don't understand that. I just don't. I'm heartbroken.
This is really sad man, killing children now? you have to be fucking kidding me how many shooting sprees will it take before the U.S will change their backwards laws and introduce some better gun control it's just ridiculous how they refuse change because of the whole "right to bear arms" thing societies changed the laws need to adapt accordingly,this is why they have a bad reputation overseas.
Quote from: chick de la lynch on Dec 14, 2012, 09:57 PM
My big question: Why children? I don't understand that. I just don't. I'm heartbroken.
They're considered "soft" targets. A large group of defenseless people,in this case,innocent children,that you can take out in a faster burst. Sadly,these poor children were targeted because they were associated with the crazy fucks mother. And it pisses me off even more that he took his life afterwards,cause boy I'd love to beat the shit out him.
Alas,no matter what the gun laws are/will become,people will alway's find a way to posses them...just like illegal drugs. So it doesn't really matter because they will always be floating around regardless of laws. And it's a shame that because you have people that are nuts and shoot up schools,that the people that are responsible with guns,like myself,get punished. But if it comes between owning a firearm and the sheer HOPE of this bullshit ending,then I would gladly give mine up. But I know in the end this will never stop.
yeah, the best way to stop people from getting shot is to bring more guns to the people! logic ftw!
no one is punishing you. the only people getting punished are the innocent people getting shot every day.
Yeah there would be a black market that would pop up but at least it would be harder to get the weapons and if people were found with them they could be prosecuted there's a place for guns for people like you that are respnsible but there needs to be safeguards for others ,In NZ you can't have automatic guns only rifles and pistols and to get your gun licence you have to be sponsored by other people who have their licences and you also have to renew after a while and to pass you have to get statements of character from people you know (can't be family members) to say you are responsible with guns. It just seems so silly that you can build up a whole arsenal like the Batman guy did and it's all completely legal,I know the U.S has a bigger population so there's more of a chance of it happening but they also a have a real gun culture that makes it worse in NZ our cops don't even have guns and only some carry tazers and we have very little gun crime, as far as mass shootings go I think there's only been one like 30 years ago
Quote from: Jacob on Dec 15, 2012, 01:30 AM
yeah, the best way to stop people from getting shot is to bring more guns to the people! logic ftw!
no one is punishing you. the only people getting punished are the innocent people getting shot every day.
Do you understand how many unregistered guns there are in the US? Selling them in a store or not,they will still circulate just like they do now. There is no reason to be a smart ass about it,and logic would tell you there will always be a way to get a gun.
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Dec 15, 2012, 01:37 AM
Yeah there would be a black market that would pop up but at least it would be harder to get the weapons and if people were found with them they could be prosecuted there's a place for guns for people like you that are respnsible but there needs to be safeguards for others ,In NZ you can't have automatic guns only rifles and pistols and to get your gun licence you have to be sponsored by other people who have their licences and you also have to renew after a while and to pass you have to get statements of character from people you know (can't be family members) to say you are responsible with guns. It just seems so silly that you can build up a whole arsenal like the Batman guy did and it's all completely legal,I know the U.S has a bigger population so there's more of a chance of it happening but they also a have a real gun culture that makes it worse in NZ our cops don't even have guns and only some carry tazers and we have very little gun crime, as far as mass shootings go I think there's only been one like 30 years ago
I agree that there should be a huge process you should have to go through to bear arms. Hell,even a psych analysis would be fine with me,then again someone could possibly snap @ any time and go rogue. I've gone into a huge schpeal over why I posses a gun,so I wont go into it again. And I understand people kill people everyday,but damn,not children...5/6 year olds at that. This shit has put me in a serious depression all day. And what about the dude in China stabbing 22 children on their way to school?
Yeah I'm not all anti-gun there are legitimate reasons to have guns, I think people should be able to have guns aslong as they go through a process to make sure they are suitable there will be some people who snap but I think the psych analysis is a great idea,there's not just one fix that will stop everything but it may catch alot people with those violent tendencies before they get guns I think they should also have to be reassessed after a certain period of time rather than a one off thing because people can change dramatically over time whether it's just a slow degrade of their morals or even some one off event that changes their personality for the worse stuff like head injuries that make people extremely temperamental and violent.
This thing upset me alot aswell but it makes me appreciate how safe NZ is compared to other parts of the world I think I'm extremely lucky to live here I used to think it was shit because it was so small but now I can't honestly think of another place i'd like to live.
Quote from: devilinside on Dec 15, 2012, 01:45 AM
And what about the dude in China stabbing 22 children on their way to school?
interestingly, no fatalities. if that were a gun, however...
But yeah nutjobs are everywhere. And I'm definitely all for a psych evaluation for getting a gun. should be like driving a car - written test and accuracy test on top of the psych eval.
Banning guns is like banning cars because of drink-drivers. What they need to do is spot signs of mental illness sooner and do something about it rather than throwing pills at everyone or ignoring it. There seem to be a lotta psychos and sociopaths on the increase in America, and banning guns doesnt do much, it'll just manifest in another way. No point treating the symptoms rather than the disease. They just need to be more thorough. The majority of gun owners are responsible, sane ppl though.
They want your guns. Just ask your self who will have guns if they are outlawed. Criminals. And guns are banned in Mexico look how that's working out. im all for saving the children but I like to think Americas biggest deterrent against our government and others is we can arm every person from 18 to 90 and still have guns left. Guns will never go away in America and that's just how it is. Try that shit in Texas ain't happenin. You can legally own hand grenades and .50 cal machine guns.
It's sad that it has got to that point where in America you need a gun to feel safe people shouldn't have to feel that unsafe in their own country and homes it all just spirals out of control after a while ,cops get guns so the criminals get guns too then citizens get guns so they can defend themselves from the criminals.Probably doesn't help that America has lots of foreign enemies aswell I guess that creates a paranoia among people that they could be attacked at any time but the truth is their right the past shows it attacks are possible.
I don't think anyone in this thread is saying to BAN guns. We just need a less relaxed system to get a gun--background check, psych evaluations, etc. There are plenty of people who own guns who are not psychopaths and upstanding citizens. I don't think they should be punished for a few rotten eggs in the bunch and you know, Bill of Rights.
I personally don't like guns. Never have, never will. I do understand there are people who like having a gun around them for protection or they enjoy hunting. As long as there is still a 2nd Amendment, U.S citizens will still have the right to bear arms. I just want to make sure the people who own the guns won't snap and do something like this and commit mass murder on a random group of people. Just because the 2nd Amendment exists doesn't mean getting a gun should be a lax process.
I think accessing mental health care should also be easier than accessing a gun. I think that's just common fucking sense right there.
How is not having a gun "being punished" I don't understand.
Punished was the wrong word on my end. I should have used "being denied a right in the U.S." (Mind you, I'm only speaking about the U.S.).
You don't deserve that right.
Guns exist, bombs exist, grenades exist, weaapons will exist no matter what. We as humans deserve the right to protect ourselves. Imagine if the teachers had guns locked away to shoot them (there were 2 shooters...as is the case in most of these "random shootings") down. This could have been stopped by having the teachers protected.
Sorry but your logic is just fundamentally fucked ,more guns to solve the problem? You have to be kidding It doesn't solve the issue of why their mental issues weren't spotted earlier or how they managed to amass the guns so easily,People like you is why any significant change will never happen in America the rest of the world is baffled to how this could keep happening so often and you do nothing about it.
I don't see how his logic is fucked.
They would have shot the guy before he killed as many people. Is the idea of someone dying and not being able to continually kill people confusing to you?
It is interesting to note that a lot of these shootings have been happening in areas that do have more gun control laws than usual.
It's fucked because it doesn't treat the cause,The psychos shouldn't be able to build up arsenals so easy The point is you shouldn't have to arm yourself you should trust your governments doing every they can to keep you safe and that means keeping dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands in the first place,The whole land of the free thing is an illusion when you can't even feel safe and have to arm yourself in your own home or workplace.
I guess you should be able to trust your government. But I think history has shown us that the government or ruling class rarely has the people's best interest at heart.
To give the gov the sole right to have arms puts them in a position of power that leaves us people completely helpless to what they may want to impose.
I do think that you shouldn't be able to own a firearm if you are on certain types of medications.
I'm not completely against owning fire arms I just think there should be better processes in place to obtain them considering the damage that can be caused with them,I'm just sick of these sorts of mass shootings they seem to be getting more common lately
So now we should be arming the teachers? And send them to gun ranges while they're student teaching (assuming we want them to be accurate)? And where do store these guns in each classroom? Locked away obviously. But hey if there's a gunman coming down the hallway to my room who's to say I won't choke and fuck up the combination and take too long to open it?
Shouldn't the goal be to have no casualties, instead of say, only 5 or 10?
Of course that should be the goal. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world filled with sane people. So these things are always going to happen and it would be wise to be prepared just in case. Best to have it and not need it than the other way around.
It wasn't too long ago that schools used to have rifle teams and similar gun training classes that taught young people the proper use and responsibility that comes with owning and operating a firearm. Now, I think there is a lot of people who view guns the same way anti/pro-weed people view Marijuana. They can't really step back and view it from a non-biased stand point because the extremes of both sides of gun control are the only ones being represented in the media.
I will admit that each teacher having a gun in their classroom does sound a bit extreme. Maybe a few ex-cop or military stationed at schools with a fire arm would be the better answer. They could be there for protection and educational purposes.
It's just odd to me that in all these cases, witness reports always first state there are more than one gunman. Yet, always only one guy is caught/suicided. If atleast one teacher had a gun, they could have shot back at the shooter. When these schools have these "drills" to prepare for school shootings (ughh) they are told to be complacent and not attack...why the fuck not? Why let a shooter have their way with non-protected hostages? Why not tackle them down and gang up? I'm in no way saying it's an easy thing to do, but why teach adults/students subservient action? All of this is the same song and dance..drills just happened not too long ago at the school and this drill so happened to go "live". There were reports from the kids saying they thought it was a drill at first.
The shooting at the mall in Oregon just had a drill ("The sheriff said the gunman was also hindered in his efforts to kill more people by a fast police response, quick thinking from shoppers and a recently-rehearsed mall lockdown" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2246748/Jacob-Tyler-Roberts-Gunman-Oregon-mall-shooting-identified.html#ixzz2Ermg6bdf (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2246748/Jacob-Tyler-Roberts-Gunman-Oregon-mall-shooting-identified.html#ixzz2Ermg6bdf)
I don't know where I'm going with this, I'm just going on tangents...but I'll just stop now. People who are set on thinking guns are bad will never change their mind and believe Obama will change our world. He hasn't. All the government wants is for us to be un-armed and ready to lick the boots of the men in uniform while they walk down our streets.
p.s. R.I.P. to all the victims :-(
What does wanting Obama to change the world have anything to do with guns and what just happened? He's done zilch with guns in the last 4 years. Blame it on the fact that's it's just not very well-regulated and that psychos that want to get some firearms can do it pretty easily with our current system.
Man. If any of you actually knew what was going on you would want guns too. And the second shooter is always first reported. The batman shooter the sharped dressed man with the underwear bomber.
What's with all the stuff about needing guns to defend yourself from the government is America that fucked up?
America is uber fucked up. Oddly people still want to move here from other countries...go figure. I own several guns to defend myself from crazy mofo's trying to hurt myself or my children...or to bust a cap in a zombies head.
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Dec 16, 2012, 01:22 AM
Guns exist, bombs exist, grenades exist, weaapons will exist no matter what. We as humans deserve the right to protect ourselves. Imagine if the teachers had guns locked away to shoot them (there were 2 shooters...as is the case in most of these "random shootings") down. This could have been stopped by having the teachers protected.
MUH FREEDUMS
MUH SECUND AMMUNDMENT
MORE GUNS
jesus christ dude
Quote from: Penicks on Dec 17, 2012, 09:51 AM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Dec 16, 2012, 01:22 AM
Guns exist, bombs exist, grenades exist, weaapons will exist no matter what. We as humans deserve the right to protect ourselves. Imagine if the teachers had guns locked away to shoot them (there were 2 shooters...as is the case in most of these "random shootings") down. This could have been stopped by having the teachers protected.
MUH FREEDUMS
MUH SECUND AMMUNDMENT
MORE GUNS
jesus christ dude
Sorry that reminded me of this
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RIP Gerry Anderson creator of one of my favorite shows as a kid,The Thunderbirds :(
RIP Jeff Hanneman from Slayer ='( This sux!
Slayer is devastated to inform that their bandmate and brother, Jeff Hanneman, passed away at about 11AM this morning near his Southern California home. Hanneman was in an area hospital when he suffered liver failure. He is survived by his wife Kathy, his sister Kathy and his brothers Michael and Larry, and will be sorely missed.
Our Brother Jeff Hanneman, May He Rest In Peace (1964 - 2013)
So sad. Another one before his time too. RIP.
R.I.P Richard Collins AKA Philadelphia Collins
? -4/15/13
Collins died on April 15, 2013 in Halifax and is survived by his family.
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" The Mustard Tiger" (http://f.bandcamp.com/z/13/12/1312587900-1.jpg)
Everyone that witnessed the Trailer will remember you.
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Dirty Burger in the sky
Bummer. I'd like to honor him with a bam if I may.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!
I'm only going to say this once and yes it will offend as 2pac put it "this sick psychotic society."
I would like to take all the drugs, liquor, weapons, artificial food, synthetic devices and donate them to nasa and have them blast it off this earth.
He was one of my favorites on the show. Along with pretty much the rest of the crew. Aw shiet, might have to rewatch the whole series.
I'm currently on my 4th round of TPB i think. I'll never tire.
RIP Ray Manzarek. Keyboard player of The Doors.
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He was their sound. RIP.
yes he was cool man, great dude, added great vibes to those 6 classic albums.
James Gandolfini
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/james-gandolfini-dead_n_3468861.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/james-gandolfini-dead_n_3468861.html)
True Romance is one of my favorite movies, Sopranos one of the best tv shows. Shit. Last I saw him was in Killing Them Softly, which he was definitely a highlight of.
The Sopranos is a show I've been meaning to check out, but has been low on priority of my list of shows, but I'm thinking about watching now just to see Gandolfini's performance.
He was young. :-\
Well, that sucks. So young, and such a talent.
Man, shit scares me. I may very well have lived more than half my life. Maybe it's time to quit smoking once and for all, and go to the gym.
:( :'(
Quote from: Jacob on Jun 20, 2013, 12:32 AM
Well, that sucks. So young, and such a talent.
Man, shit scares me. I may very well have lived more than half my life. Maybe it's time to quit smoking once and for all, and go to the gym.
just the gym, sweat will do you good, everyday!
Ya Tony was great though, I remember I was too young when the sopranos first came out, but I would always turn it on and wait for a fuck scene.
It was probably one of the funniest shows too and the violence was hysterical. who murders people more creative and funny then latins? even in the classic Roman tradition.
James was good though. all respect due.
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,18919.200.html (http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,18919.200.html)
Tony Tells A Joke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=430RAxsUSYY#)
RIP
yeah i didn't see that until after I made this one.
Super bummer man!
I hate to break this to everyone. But, Princess Diana is dead....... Sorry y'all.
I will fap to her memory. *rose petals slowly fall to the ground*
Another great one
http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/22/dennis-farina-dead-law-and-order-star-dies-at-69/ (http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/22/dennis-farina-dead-law-and-order-star-dies-at-69/)
Damn, that's sad.
He's so good in Snatch.
RIP to those who died in the horrible train accident in Santiago de Compostela, Spain
RIP Tommy Morrison AKA Tommy Gunn from Rocky V. He died of AIDS.
happy nine eleven everybody!
(http://i.imgur.com/LjRwz.jpg) OOOOH YEAAAAAA
a tradition unlike any other
RIP Lou Reed. Your album with Metallica sucked ass.
damn, yeah that was a horrible album.
but I was just listening to some Velvet Underground on Friday night, Lou could write some classics.
Quote from: Jacob on Oct 27, 2013, 06:17 PM
RIP Lou Reed. Your album with Metallica sucked ass.
It did, but nonetheless, you will be missed, Lou Reed.
Indeed.
do do do do do do do do do do
This one took me by surprise
RIP Paul Walker
Fast & Furious" Star Paul Walker Dies In Car Crash! Burning Wreck Caught On Video! (FOOTAGE) ™. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vosFutLtoCE#ws)
What a horrible way to go. This sucks - he always seemed a like cool, chill dude, and to die only at 40. It's depressing, you never know when your time's about to come. And to say I enjoyed his movies is probably an understatement, honestly.
It's a really weird feeling knowing he's dead. I'm by no means a fan of his, but in a weird way I grew up with Paul Walker. He graced the covers of all the teen mags I used to read, he was in all those 90's teen films that I used to watch. He was the heartthrob of my generation. It feels like a classmate of mine died. It's just an eerie feeling. He was so young, too.
A guy on reddit posted a story about meeting Paul Walker recently. Interestingly enough, it turns out he was a Deftones fan.
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1rxie5/i_met_paul_walker_a_few_months_ago_ive_seen_a_lot/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1rxie5/i_met_paul_walker_a_few_months_ago_ive_seen_a_lot/)
Sad....Nelson Mandela :'(
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/12/05/nelson-mandela-obituary-south-africa-apartheid/2027237/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/12/05/nelson-mandela-obituary-south-africa-apartheid/2027237/)
:'( R.I.P. Mandela. I will really miss you.
lol
That's one of many great souls that will probably never rest.
Bless him and his family.
Much Respect
http://youtu.be/FNXfNZTkP5U (http://youtu.be/FNXfNZTkP5U)
RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman
SAY WHAT!? That's a big bummer. I just saw Charlie Wilsons war last night and thought to myself that god damn this guy can act the shit out of whatever.
Lame.
Reportedly found with a needle in his arm. Fucking lame. Another amazingly talented person taken down by fucking heroin. He went through detox last year but I guess that didn't hold.
I can't think of one thing Philip Seymour Hoffman was in where he wasn't brilliant. Even in Along Came Polly, he still rocked out a great performance and made that movie watchable. I'm really heartbroken about this.
His look in this scene...
Big Lebowski - You want me to blow on your toes? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLXnFzdMKto#ws)
He was one of the best.
let this be a sign for everyone, you will never ever get rid of the urge to take drugs once you've taken them
don't be an idort
Easily one of the greatest actors ever.
Sad loss.
I'm late on posting this but whatever.
Harold Ramis.
The Isla Vista victims and Maya Angelou.
RIP Robin Williams
Such a great actor :/
Breaks my heart. Nanu Nanu.
Loved his comedy too. I remember watching his Broadway special like a dozen times. This one is just a total bummer. What a sad year between this, Ramis, and Hoffman.
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R.I.P first celebrity death in a while that's really hit home guy reminds me of my childhood so much, it's a pretty fucked up day when the guy you remember from your childhood as the happiest man in the world kills himself.
This generation grew up with Robin Williams, he was in countless children's films and was a guy who could make us laugh and still be sweet and child-like.
From what past comedians/celebrities have said about Robin that he was all in all a sweet guy and incredible human being, which makes it that much harder to swallow. Depression is a fucked up illness.
Quote from: chick de la lynch on Aug 12, 2014, 06:11 AM
This generation grew up with Robin Williams, he was in countless children's films and was a guy who could make us laugh and still be sweet and child-like.
From what past comedians/celebrities have said about Robin that he was all in all a sweet guy and incredible human being, which makes it that much harder to swallow. Depression is a fucked up illness.
I know you've seen it, but I really wish the Louie episode with Robin Williams was on youtube, where they're the 2 that show up at their "friend's" funeral. They eventually end up at a strip club.
And I've got my dvd of Death to Smoochy ready to watch tonight.
I can't believe it. This is the first time I feel so empty and shattered since Chi's passing last year.
Goodbye Robin Williams. We miss you and your humor. :(
This is a big one. His live on broadway special was what got me interested in stand up comedy and I've seen it more times than any other stand up special. He's up there with Carlin and Cosby to me. This is a loss people will feel. Celebrities die and it's often a shock but the world will truly miss Robin. God knows I will.
Robin Williams on Doc Ellis pitching a no hitter on LSD. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ZUPR1mPeQ#ws)
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Peace
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Aug 12, 2014, 01:19 PM
Quote from: chick de la lynch on Aug 12, 2014, 06:11 AM
This generation grew up with Robin Williams, he was in countless children's films and was a guy who could make us laugh and still be sweet and child-like.
From what past comedians/celebrities have said about Robin that he was all in all a sweet guy and incredible human being, which makes it that much harder to swallow. Depression is a fucked up illness.
I know you've seen it, but I really wish the Louie episode with Robin Williams was on youtube, where they're the 2 that show up at their "friend's" funeral. They eventually end up at a strip club.
And I've got my dvd of Death to Smoochy ready to watch tonight.
I was thinking about that episode when I found out he died. I'm sure if I watched it now it would take on a whole new meaning and I'd cry. :'(
good will hunting. went home and watched it again. his appearance on graham norton is all types of amazing.
joan rivers ded
Vuela alto, Gustavo Cerati.
RIP Wayne Static :(
He left us at 48 and he for sure left his mark in the music :(
Rip saw him at ozzfest 2000 he rocked that bitch!
Wayne Static has entered the Shadow Zone.
R.I.P. :'(
Wow, that's crazy! He definitely had the most impressive hair in the business. :(
RIP Jonathan Athon. Man....
Very sad :(
Musicians are dropping like flies.
It's shitty how musician ruin their awesome life just because drug abuse.
Are the guys (deftones) so stoners/drug addicts? I know stef does weed and chino used to but I really don't know.
Stef smokes weed frequently and Chino and the rest of the bunch only occasionally. But that won't kill them. They laid down all the hard stuff as they grew older.
But I have to disagree with "ruining their awesome life". Sometimes, despite all the fame and success, life can be not so awesome at times for a musician and that's why they turn to drugs. I think it can be hard to comprehend as an outsider and fan, but there's always more going on behind the scenes of a musicians life
Yeah I've heard musicians say they needed the drugs to cope with the change of pace, they would go from touring all over the world to being back home or in studio at a much slower pace and it fucked with their heads but the drugs allowed them to get that fix that touring and partying usually provided. A musicians life is definitely not great especially if you're younger and new to it all, look at Chino he missed a shit ton of his kids childhoods and ended up divorced because he was young and ended getting consumed by the party lifestyle, luckily he survived the drug use and managed to keep a relationship with his kids he could have easily overdosed or lost or ties with his kids.
but Chino is not really the ideal example for the point you made there.
He had tons of fun with his band over the years, probably banged a lot of groupies, toured all the continents of the earth and made some nice money as well. And even considering the downsides of all that, the divorce, not seeing his kids for long episodes, its the life he chose and its a really good one. Not everyone does drugs like cocaine or weed to cope with something, for some its just fun to blast themselves away, and I imagine it would be a lof of fun after performing in front of an audience.
Taking drugs to cope with a change of pace is a bullshit excuse, unless you're mentally unstable. Like Black Coffee says, they do drugs to get fucked up.
Quote from: black coffee on Dec 09, 2014, 01:10 PM
but Chino is not really the ideal example for the point you made there.
He had tons of fun with his band over the years, probably banged a lot of groupies, toured all the continents of the earth and made some nice money as well. And even considering the downsides of all that, the divorce, not seeing his kids for long episodes, its the life he chose and its a really good one. Not everyone does drugs like cocaine or weed to cope with something, for some its just fun to blast themselves away, and I imagine it would be a lof of fun after performing in front of an audience.
Yeah because as I said he was lucky, Chino has said many times during the years he should have died when he was young and feels luck is was on his side, he said he put his life at risk too much because he felt he had to experience it all and that caused him to over indulge. He's alluded to how he got addicted to drugs as-well saying it starts out as a party thing but then follows you.
Quote from: Crazylegs on Dec 09, 2014, 01:25 PM
Taking drugs to cope with a change of pace is a bullshit excuse, unless you're mentally unstable. Like Black Coffee says, they do drugs to get fucked up.
Yeah you're right I don't think it's a good excuse but it happens a lot a musicians life isn't the best for mental stability, imagine your touring for a year doing a show and partying every night and then you go home and there's nothing happening that's got to fuck with your head, you've been riding this big wave of euphoria and then all the sudden you're expected to slot back into domestic life, I don't approve of it but I can at least see why it happens.
I understand this is your favorite band and you take what they say at face value, but I strongly doubt it that Chino "should have died". Don't forget these guys are sometimes exaggerating in interviews, Chino especially. I remember an interview in which he said the band will be over if one of them leaves quits or dies. Now they're working on album #3 without Chi. These are normal people and Chino tends to get a little dramatic, I wouldn't put too much in it.
Not the case you're just assuming things about me, I used judgement just like anyone does this was a more recent interview not back in the days when Chino would just talk shit and he wasn't bragging about getting fucked up on drugs and having threesomes he basically said his mentality was that he was young and should be experiencing everything possible to get the most out of it but he ended up living a very dangerous lifestyle that could have killed him.
I'm surprised you find it hard to believe, over indulgence a pretty common psychology response to mass exposure, even I knew young people who turned 18 moved out of home and developed unhealthy addictions to drugs and alcohol when it became available to them so with those things considered I'm inclined to believe he could of done the same and it's already pretty widely known he did heroin and cocaine now add in the other drugs/alcohol and it's easy to see how he could of died.
well if someone uses the nickname DeftonesNZ on a deftones forum, I'd say its not completely out of the blue to assume its their favorite band ;)
But yes you say it yourself. People move out from their parents place into their own apartment or a dorm room and do all the things they couldn't before. Doesn't mean anyone gets addictions and dies from them.
anyways I know its none of my business, but how old are you? I'm kinda curious.
Yeah they are my favourite band but I listen to lots of music, I get what you meant but I don't really get into the band member fan boy thing I just like the music I fully realise Chino can be a dick I just didn't think he was on that occasion, I'm 21 years old so it's kind of a thing I'm noticing now a lot of the people I know moved out and experimented a bit and are fine but I've seen there are some who have a problem now.
joe fucking cocker
Damn my parents and their friends loved this guy some of my earliest memories growing up had Joe Cocker playing in the background. R.I.P
Damn, fucking cancer strikes again. I always thought his version of With A Little Help From My Friends was the superior version.
Quote from: Crazylegs on Dec 09, 2014, 01:25 PM
Taking drugs to cope with a change of pace is a bullshit excuse, unless you're mentally unstable. Like Black Coffee says, they do drugs to get fucked up.
What do you mean by that remark?
I am almost sure that you are talking about hard drugs as heroin and cocaine, unless if you're one lazy dick, delusional, self-centered, self moronic ape as DeftonesNZ
Aren't you implying Neuroscientists, Shamans etc. For example, Dr. Michele Ross is a former drug researcher for the National Institute on Drug Abuse, turned medical marijuana and psychedelics advocate. Dr. Ross says she sought out non-neurotoxic, nonaddictive DMT to help her heal from trauma. Aren't you implying that she is delusional for this statement,right? I am not messing around. Trolling... Seriously bro...just to clear things up.
Watched a show the other day on cluster headaches. Shit is absolutely brutal. A very small amount of people get them but the ones that do usually end up blowing their brains out due to the pain and suffering. Some of the patients were using LSD and Mushrooms to heal. And the results were incredible. Cool stuff. I always knew some hallucinogens have some medicinal value. None of them used drugs in the past and really only resorted to this as a last resort. But they were almost completely healed. The human brain is a crazy thing.
RIP 2014
i cri everytiem
RIP Leonard Nimoy :'(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6lTSPXDOAI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6lTSPXDOAI)
I used to watch the Star Trek movies and shows with my uncles, of course I cant forget how funny he was in The Simpsons.
He lived long and prosper.
May he continue that eternally. :(
Quote from: deftones47 on Feb 28, 2015, 03:22 AM
He lived long and prosper.
May he continue that eternally. :(
beautiful man...I hope the same for him
Always watched that show on my Nan's couch as a little one ..tripped me out when I saw him in the new one they had a few years ago.
He was a mushroom man and a visionary too so lets just give him that respect also
Leonard Nimoy - The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins [FULL VERSION] - best quality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGF5ROpjRAU#)
Terry Pratchett....
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/81605000/jpg/_81605421_02864380-a0c7-4171-b052-42ca996cea47.jpg)
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-31858156 (http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-31858156)
So sad, I loved loved loved that guy's books........
RIP good man.
Bummer. Don't really know his writing, but actually just started reading good omens which has been really enjoyable thus far.
Good Omens is pretty awesome !
RIP B.B King
yeah yeah christopher lee blahblah
dusty rhodes died today
https://youtu.be/9py4aMK3aIU
HARD TIMES
R.I.P. Satoru Iwata. You were a great person and made great contributions to Nintendo and video games in general.
dude, i'm still bummed out over omar sharif.
Quote from: blixa on Jul 14, 2015, 12:11 PM
dude, i'm still bummed out over omar sharif.
Really ? Why ?
i watched dr zhivago with my dad when i was little so he's always stuck out for me. just seen him in a lot of films and i really really liked him. he had one of those faces. could watch him act in anything.
Goodbye Justin Lowe. After the Burial won't be the same without you.
Quote from: deftones47 on Jul 24, 2015, 10:39 PM
Goodbye Justin Lowe. After the Burial won't be the same without you.
This whole story has been sad to see unfold this year. Still can't believe it ended like this. And indeed, a great guitarist, and ATB won't be the same.
fucking rowdy roddy piper now
bad few weeks for pro rasslin
I bought some bubblegum in memory.... and I'm all out.
Wes Craven...bummer
RIP SCOTT WEILAND :(
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ex-stone-temple-pilots-singer-scott-weiland-found-dead/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ex-stone-temple-pilots-singer-scott-weiland-found-dead/)
:'(
he sounded dead already in his last interview, drugs are bad
killer Rx Queen feature
RIP Lemmy Grandfather of Rock and Metal!
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/motorheads-lemmy-dead-at-70/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/motorheads-lemmy-dead-at-70/)
FUCK
One of the last true rock n rollers. A legend.
He will be missed.
REST IN POWER!
Bowie
Quote from: Penicks on Jan 11, 2016, 07:33 AM
Bowie
And I got his album on Friday :(
RIP to one amazing artist.
Quote from: Penicks on Jan 11, 2016, 07:33 AM
Bowie
Boooo :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
RIP
The last two are brutal, man. Fuck.
Quote from: Crazylegs on Jan 11, 2016, 11:21 AM
The last two are brutal, man. Fuck.
Yeah, just fucking devastating. Like losing family.
Breaks my heart losing Bowie. :'( :'(
alan rickman
The best at being a villain.
"I read about them in Time magazine"
Quote from: deftones47 on Nov 02, 2014, 05:02 PM
Wayne Static has entered the Shadow Zone.
R.I.P. :'(
I just read that Tera Wray Static committed suicide the 13th. It's tragic that two people who loved each other that much had to end that way. R.I.P.
RIP Dave Mirra
Grew up watching the X-Games and he was amazing :(
former ecw wrestler axl rotten too
Man, Axel was an original member wasn't he?
Quote from: RoyalDeftonicBoy on Feb 05, 2016, 06:54 AM
RIP Dave Mirra
Grew up watching the X-Games and he was amazing :(
Aww man that's shit. His pro BMX game was my first introduction to Deftones, always got hyped when BQAD would come on the soundtrack :(
R.I.P Dave Mirra meet and watched him kill it at Metro Jam 06' in Toronto...best fucking bmxer ever
Gametrailers
Quote from: thewanderer on Jan 20, 2016, 01:51 AM
Quote from: deftones47 on Nov 02, 2014, 05:02 PM
Wayne Static has entered the Shadow Zone.
R.I.P. :'(
I just read that Tera Wray Static committed suicide the 13th. It's tragic that two people who loved each other that much had to end that way. R.I.P.
That's really sad and unfortunate.
Frank Sinatra, Jr. RIP
RIP Johan Cruyff
chyna
RIP Prince :(
Such a versatile artist and I remember his great soundtrack for the 1st Batman movie
dang. Bummer, man.
Crazy shit
Prince, the Purple One...damn.
:(
Quote from: RoyalDeftonicBoy on Apr 21, 2016, 05:10 PM
Such a versatile artist and I remember his great soundtrack for the 1st Batman movie
ppl forget that
Quote from: RoyalDeftonicBoy on Apr 21, 2016, 05:10 PM
RIP Prince :(
Such a versatile artist and I remember his great soundtrack for the 1st Batman movie
Scandalous is probably one of my favorite songs from him.
I'm usually never shocked by hearing about a celeb passing (anyone for that matter) , but this one threw me for a loop.
R.I.P.
Sexy Motherfucker slaps a smile across my face every time! Saw him like ten years ago, and he just floored everyone - all that energy, virtuosity, and sense of fun. Total shock. Not one you'd expect.
whats shocking is the number 57. this one got to me. never was a bowie fan i was a Heros fan.
But Prince true artistry
thats why keep my studio purple
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Quote from: shine down unshy on Apr 21, 2016, 06:05 PM
Prince, the Purple One...damn.
Dude I keep hoping this is some kind of fucked up joke. Prince was our connection,Wendy and Lisa will never be the same. :'(
Quote from: Rally Sweat on Apr 21, 2016, 08:16 PM
Sexy Motherfucker slaps a smile across my face every time! Saw him like ten years ago, and he just floored everyone - all that energy, virtuosity, and sense of fun. Total shock. Not one you'd expect.
I was fortunate to see him on his Musicology tour,the energy that man had was insane.
Prince,Bowie and Jackson...there goes the majority of my childhood happiness. My heart hurts...crazy how someone you've never met can make you feel this way.
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post image online (http://postimage.org/)
Nobody seems to have noticed Chi Cheng's death. He was the bassist of Deftones for the record. Deftones are the band this forum is about.
(http://i.imgur.com/PaQarhN.jpg)
...
Fuckin' Muhammad Ali, man. I'm really bummed to see him go :(
RIP Miami's greatest street fighter Kimbo Slice!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/star-trek-actor-anton-yelchin-dies-in-car-crash-at-age-of-27-a7090656.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/star-trek-actor-anton-yelchin-dies-in-car-crash-at-age-of-27-a7090656.html)
Bizarre.
Alan Vega from Suicide died just recently.
Quote from: astynk on Jun 04, 2016, 07:48 AM
Nobody seems to have noticed Chi Cheng's death. He was the bassist of Deftones for the record. Deftones are the band this forum is about.
(http://i.imgur.com/PaQarhN.jpg)
Because there's a Deftones thread, maybe?
RIP George Michael
RIP Carrie Fisher
:(
Seemingly so many celebrities have died in 2016 than in years past that ... 70 celebrities!
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/showbiz-tv/celebrities-died-2016-david-bowie-12337726 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/showbiz-tv/celebrities-died-2016-david-bowie-12337726)
there's two days left. plenty of time for taylor swift to cork it.
Quote from: blixa on Dec 29, 2016, 01:36 PM
there's two days left. plenty of time for taylor swift to cork it.
holy shit, a contender for comment of the year
there's no reason to be jealous blixa, hers and your undercarriage are equally amazing
no thanks. i'm good. i have disliked her from day one. her and her fake arse white feminist bullshit.
i wish to subscribe to your newsletter. who else is on your shit list? better not have my gurl Katy on it.
amy schumer, lena dunham and jennifer lawrence. i dislike all of them.
what's your beef with j-law? She's pretty charismatic, no?
i do like j-law, but she does seem to be in every movie that comes out these days. she's everywhere.
and for some reason i have an irrational ill will towards her passengers movie.
Just don't watch it. I think i only ever saw her in American Hustle.
i dislike her acting and i don't think she's funny. i've heard her in a few interviews and i just cringe. and that time she called mental illness "quirky" and implied it was "cool". i can tell you that is very much isn't.
silver linings playbook is a good film, but i'm just not a fan of hers.
200 Celebrity Deaths in 2016
RIP John Hurt :(
"Game over, man...game over."
:(
HUDSON, NOOO!
It's fucked up
Chris Cornell has died...
This is unbelieveable. :(
Yeah, what a bummer. I'm curious to see what the cause of death was.
R.i.p Chris Cornell !
Reports are coming in that it's suicide.
Oh man... :(
fuck!
RIP to another unmatched voice of the 90's 😔
"When officers went to the room they found Chris Cornell laying in his bathroom, unresponsive and he had passed away. We are investigating it as a possible suicide but we need to wait on the medical examiner to determine the cause and manner of death."
The Wayne County Medical Examiner's office will make an official determination about the cause of death.
Quote from: O on May 18, 2017, 02:33 PM
"When officers went to the room they found Chris Cornell laying in his bathroom, unresponsive and he had passed away. We are investigating it as a possible suicide but we need to wait on the medical examiner to determine the cause and manner of death."
The Wayne County Medical Examiner's office will make an official determination about the cause of death.
BREAKING: Medical examiner determines Soundgarden singer Chris Cornell committed suicide by hanging in Detroit.
That is very sad :(
Its been confirmed that he hung himself. So tragic:(
Sendt fra min EVA-L09 med Tapatalk
Stupid story...
so sad...........
RIP Adam West :(
Yes... RIP to the true master of the Batusi.
! No longer available (http://youtube.com/watch?v=RsYA8Gr5NTY#)
I recently watched some of the "Return Of The Caped Crusaders " animated flick a few months ago, too. I have yet to finish it, though...
RIP Linkin park singer
Rest in Peace Chester Bennington. ❤️
RIP Chester Bennington :(
God bless!
http://loudwire.com/rockers-react-linkin-park-chester-bennington-dead-41/ (http://loudwire.com/rockers-react-linkin-park-chester-bennington-dead-41/)
That's a really bad new :(
RIP Chester
Hybrid Theory forever.
R.I.P Chester
Are you trolling? He hated people bringing up hybrid theory
He had six kids and he offed himself? WTF?
This is ugly. I think Deftones should say something.
R.I.P Chester Bennington
Quote from: Korea Rounding on Jul 21, 2017, 05:07 PM
Are you trolling? He hated people bringing up hybrid theory
Nope. I'm just bringing up a work I really like from him.
Quote from: Vesanic on Jul 21, 2017, 05:27 PM
I think Deftones should say something.
They'll probably do that usual aloof Deftones thing where they make a statement like four days from now.
Perhaps members of Deftones sent their regards and well wishes privately to the Linkin Park and Chester's family and didn't feel the need to post it on social media!
Quote from: Korea Rounding on Jul 21, 2017, 05:07 PM
Are you trolling? He hated people bringing up hybrid theory
what a goof
I think there is nothing worse than someone posting.... look....I knew the dead guy. If it truly means something to Deftones to make a statement of condolences they should do it. I recently had a very close friend pass away and the only part worse than him being gone is the constant social media posts where people share the one photo they ever had with him and discuss how much it's impacted THEM. Makes me fucking pissed. Just my side.
RATM, SOAD, Muse, Korn, Slipknot, Taproot, Limp Bizkit, In Flames...
It just would be weird to not see Deftones in the bunch. They made Linkin Park, even if it's by "accident". The connection between the two is just too obvious.
This is Chester in 1997. If I said it was Chino in 1995, I would be close enough
https://youtu.be/rDZo21rUNS4
Yeah korn, deftones, Limp bizkit.. Bring more exposure to Linkin Park, even if it's by "accident" ... Even rap artists, and etc said something about him... Prayers and love.. to the family and friends !!
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC_-zeWYMYo#)]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC_-zeWYMYo[/url]
happy nine eleven one and all!!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/M39rU77.jpg)
Quote from: Penicks on Sep 11, 2017, 03:41 PM
happy nine eleven one and all!!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/M39rU77.jpg)
What a goof.
RIP Frank Vincent from great films like Casion, Goodfellas and The Sopranos Series.
R.I.P Frank! Post-Up
RIP Hugh Hefner
Well sadly I gotta say it again
RIP Tom Petty
:( Another great artist gone to soon.
R.I.P Ralphie May (February 17, 1972 – October 6, 2017)
RIP Malcolm Young
Thanks for amazing music :(
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This dude XXXTentacion DEAD
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RIP VINNIE PAUL FROM PANTERA
RIP Stan Lee