So yeah, apparently Chino was on that show yesterday, but I can't find anything on the website or whatever...
Anyone watched/heard it ?
http://www.breal.tv (http://www.breal.tv)
I did, it was pretty much just him and some guy drinking/smoking talking about random things. He said no Eros, Crosses is coming out with a full length album after some EP's, and might get back to doing some Team Sleep cause they have a lot of things done for it already. I enjoyed watching it.
EDIT* Oh yeah I forgot, he said they're gonna start writing at the end of November.
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really hope someone ripped this or there's somewhere to watch it. did he say no eros as in no eros ever? i just want to hear a solid no so i can give up hope of it ever coming out. i've already said for a long time it's never going to be released but it'd just be nice to put that tiny bit of hope to rest. also a full length crosses would be cool. hopefully none of the ep stuff gets recycled for it.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Oct 30, 2011, 08:26 PM
really hope someone ripped this or there's somewhere to watch it. did he say no eros as in no eros ever? i just want to hear a solid no so i can give up hope of it ever coming out. i've already said for a long time it's never going to be released but it'd just be nice to put that tiny bit of hope to rest. also a full length crosses would be cool. hopefully none of the ep stuff gets recycled for it.
Well there was a question that read "Eros?" and he just said "No Eros" and got interrupted by that other guy.
Thanks for the infos, Jackie.
Fuck Eros. Time to get working on some Team Sleep.
Quote from: E-Money on Oct 30, 2011, 10:05 PM
Fuck Eros.
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Quote from: ponyx on Oct 30, 2011, 08:17 PM
He said no Eros
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Please NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really hoped Chino meant just for the time being - and not NEVER!
It would be such a shame.
Obviously I really hope with all my heart that Chi gets well enough to return and that then they'll release and tour Eros.
I want to remain positive about Chi but I think that if the time ever comes (and I hope it doesn't) when it looks like Chi will definitely not be rejoining the band - even if he makes a full recovery, he may not want to return, for all we know, - I think the band should release Eros, even if it's only available for download, but I don't think it should go to waste.
It was Chi's last recordings so I think it has a special place in the hearts of Deftones fans.
Chi would surely want his fans to hear it.
Perhaps, taking all of the terrible occurrences out of the equation, that they feel it's a terrible album and that they may have scrapped it even if Chi's accident never happened.
Then release it as a download but I think good or bad the fans would just like to hear it.
When I first heard Melanie live I was so excited, I really love that song and couldn't wait to buy the album and listen to it in it's 'studio' form.
I didn't think I'd still be waiting after 3 years and that now, perhaps all the waiting and hoping was just in vain :(
Surely it would help Chi to release the record.
He could earn some royalties and perhaps a portion of the sales can go to his medical bills?
I know I'd buy about 5 copies of the album!!
Still the Crosses news is great news, I still can't believe the quality of the first E.P.
It's great when a side project doesn't actually sound like a side project.
Team Sleep perhaps doing an album is also good news although to be honest I didn't think that their debut was a brilliant album on the same level as Deftones.
It started off well with 'Ataraxia' and 'Ever (Foreign Flag)' but got a bit boring at times.
I thought that they left some of their best songs - 'Iceache' ,Kool-Aid Party' ,'Mercedes' etc off of the album - it could have been brilliant!
Of course if we can't have Eros any time soon or hopefully NOT ever, then the big news I really want to hear is a new Deftones album in the works!
Come on Chino, if you won't release Eros, please at least release 'Melanie', even if it's as a bonus track on the next album, I'm tired of only being able to listen/watch it from someones cellphone recording on Youtube :(
:(
Quote from: E-Money on Oct 30, 2011, 10:05 PM
Fuck Eros. Time to get working on some Team Sleep.
WHAT??!!!
??? ??? ???
That's crazy talk!!!!
Quote from: pinkmaggit on Oct 30, 2011, 10:17 PM
Quote from: E-Money on Oct 30, 2011, 10:05 PM
Fuck Eros. Time to get working on some Team Sleep.
WHAT??!!!
??? ??? ???
That's crazy talk!!!!
I guess that was a little harsh. I would surely like to hear Chi's last material but I have a feeling Eros isn't anything mindblowing. I'd much rather hear some new TS over some new Tones.
Quote from: E-Money on Oct 30, 2011, 10:26 PM
Quote from: pinkmaggit on Oct 30, 2011, 10:17 PM
Quote from: E-Money on Oct 30, 2011, 10:05 PM
Fuck Eros. Time to get working on some Team Sleep.
WHAT??!!!
??? ??? ???
That's crazy talk!!!!
I guess that was a little harsh. I would surely like to hear Chi's last material but I have a feeling Eros isn't anything mindblowing. I'd much rather hear some new TS over some new Tones.
It wouldn't be "New" though, in the sense that it wouldn't sound as boring as DE, it'd be closer to SNW which is closer to Team Sleep
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Oct 30, 2011, 10:36 PM
It wouldn't be "New" though, in the sense that it wouldn't sound as boring as DE, it'd be closer to SNW which is closer to Team Sleep
eros is the album between snw and d.e.. what is it that says it leans more towards snw than d.e? sergio said that d.e doesn't differ much from eros. if you listen to the eros riffs from the studio,that material do sound much more brutal than any of those records though
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 30, 2011, 10:55 PM
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Oct 30, 2011, 10:36 PM
It wouldn't be "New" though, in the sense that it wouldn't sound as boring as DE, it'd be closer to SNW which is closer to Team Sleep
eros is the album between snw and d.e.. what is it that says it leans more towards snw than d.e? sergio said that d.e doesn't differ much from eros. if you listen to the eros riffs from the studio,that material do sound much more brutal than any of those records though
Just listening to the studio snippets and Mealine you can hear it's nothing like DE. For a start I doubt it'd have the same sound quality as DE too.
It's more likely to lean more toward SNW because DE was made under special circumstances. I thought that'd be obvious.
are you calling sergio a liar? how dare you? the eros snippets doesn't sound like snw either, maybe it doesn't sound like any of the records aside from one song.melanie does sound like rats though, but those songs doesn't sound like team sleep
SNW Sounds more like Team Sleep than any other of their records.
just because melanie is similair to rats doesn't mean they made an entire record sounding like snw. after all that record wasn't exactly a hit. what eros snippet reminds you of snw? that intro sounds more like d.e's beauty school
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Oct 30, 2011, 11:09 PM
DE was made under special circumstances. I thought that'd be obvious.
yes they were under pressure. there's this theory that they used a lot of stuff from eros and polished it up with nick because there was no time. maybe that was what sergio heard. and maybe that's why deftones want to keep eros in the dark
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 30, 2011, 11:25 PM
just because melanie is similair to rats doesn't mean they made an entire record sounding like snw. after all that record wasn't exactly a hit. what eros snippet reminds you of snw? that intro sounds more like d.e's beauty school
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Oct 30, 2011, 11:09 PM
DE was made under special circumstances. I thought that'd be obvious.
yes they were under pressure. there's this theory that they used a lot of stuff from eros and polished it up with nick because there was no time. maybe that was what sergio heard. and maybe that's why deftones want to keep eros in the dark
For a start it sounds nothing like Rats, more like Rapture or something. And the General ambient vibe of the snippets sound more like tracks of SNW.
By theory do you mean CONSPIRACY?!
nothing like rats you say? damn that's a new one. what about those who call it rats II are you calling them liars? how dare you?
yes.. a little conspiracy r :D i'm not saying it doesn't sound like snw because i haven't heard it just speculating and listening to others opinions. why do you think sergio says eros sounds a lot like eros? any "conspiracys" of your own?
He's probably just saying that so fans stop speculating so much and listen to DE more to satisfy their Eros needs. I'm not calling anyone a liar, but you're contradicting yourself when you insist that Melanie sounds like Rats, so you agree that from what very little we have to compare, Eros would lean closer to SNW. Now please shut up as you're totally derailing this topic.
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Oct 30, 2011, 11:42 PM
He's probably just saying that so fans stop speculating so much and listen to DE
that's a good point. "don't focus on deftones without me, focus on deftones with me!"
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 30, 2011, 11:54 PM
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Oct 30, 2011, 11:42 PM
He's probably just saying that so fans stop speculating so much and listen to DE
that's a good point. "don't focus on deftones without me, focus on deftones with me!"
Pretty much sums up my opinion of him
haha mine too
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Oct 30, 2011, 10:36 PM
Quote from: E-Money on Oct 30, 2011, 10:26 PM
Quote from: pinkmaggit on Oct 30, 2011, 10:17 PM
Quote from: E-Money on Oct 30, 2011, 10:05 PM
Fuck Eros. Time to get working on some Team Sleep.
WHAT??!!!
??? ??? ???
That's crazy talk!!!!
I guess that was a little harsh. I would surely like to hear Chi's last material but I have a feeling Eros isn't anything mindblowing. I'd much rather hear some new TS over some new Tones.
It wouldn't be "New" though, in the sense that it wouldn't sound as boring as DE, it'd be closer to SNW which is closer to Team Sleep
True, but SNW wasn't too impressive IMO and I have a feeling Eros isn't anything mindblowing either. Its time for some new TS. The new shit they played during their short 07 tour was 10 x better than anything the tones have written in the last 6 years. Thats my opinion of course.
Quote from: E-Money on Oct 31, 2011, 02:25 AM
The new shit they played during their short 07 tour was 10 x better than anything the tones have written in the last 6 years. Thats my opinion of course.
Fair point, considering the amount of unreleased material they have, one album is fucking ridiculous .
Quote from: E-Money on Oct 30, 2011, 10:05 PM
Time to get working on some Team Sleep.
yeah, There's tons of great stuff from these dudes to be heard (with & without chino's voice). You know, a tour every year or two wouldn't hurt.
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Oct 31, 2011, 02:38 AM
Quote from: E-Money on Oct 31, 2011, 02:25 AM
The new shit they played during their short 07 tour was 10 x better than anything the tones have written in the last 6 years. Thats my opinion of course.
Fair point, considering the amount of unreleased material they have, one album is fucking ridiculous .
It really is man.
Quote from: Deftones-argentina on Oct 31, 2011, 02:56 AM
Quote from: E-Money on Oct 30, 2011, 10:05 PM
Time to get working on some Team Sleep.
yeah, There's tons of great stuff from these dudes to be heard (with & without chino's voice). You know, a tour every year or two wouldn't hurt.
Seriously Nico, even some instrumental stuff would be great. I'll take anything!
Quote from: ponyx on Oct 30, 2011, 08:29 PM
Quote from: sing blue silver on Oct 30, 2011, 08:26 PM
really hope someone ripped this or there's somewhere to watch it. did he say no eros as in no eros ever? i just want to hear a solid no so i can give up hope of it ever coming out. i've already said for a long time it's never going to be released but it'd just be nice to put that tiny bit of hope to rest. also a full length crosses would be cool. hopefully none of the ep stuff gets recycled for it.
Well there was a question that read "Eros?" and he just said "No Eros" and got interrupted by that other guy.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 30, 2011, 11:13 PM
are you calling sergio a liar? how dare you? the eros snippets doesn't sound like snw either, maybe it doesn't sound like any of the records aside from one song.melanie does sound like rats though, but those songs doesn't sound like team sleep
I agree.
Someone needs to get Anonymous to hack the computers at The Spot, and extract all songs for Eros.
So Anonymous if your watching, fuck Facebook. Hack the Deftones shit and give us all their sweet unreleased music. ;D
...
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 30, 2011, 10:55 PM
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Oct 30, 2011, 10:36 PM
It wouldn't be "New" though, in the sense that it wouldn't sound as boring as DE, it'd be closer to SNW which is closer to Team Sleep
eros is the album between snw and d.e.. what is it that says it leans more towards snw than d.e? sergio said that d.e doesn't differ much from eros. if you listen to the eros riffs from the studio,that material do sound much more brutal than any of those records though
In reference to Eros, Chino mentioned the songs are more like a jam session and well, it sounds like they may be repetitive (melanie for example). They're unorthodox meaning (not the same so thats sort of like SNW), aggressive (mix of both SNW and previous albums) and has the FYIHYD stuff(adrenaline and a bit of around the fur)
Sergio also mentioned that the Eros songs are longer and less structured than D.E. I notice DE has structure in it. Eros can be a mix of both but Id say maybe closer to SNW.
The snippets in the clips are probably unused riffs that may not even appear on Eros for all we know. They could be part of songs or probably not....
Sergio's explanation of Eros's songs is very vague, he describes nothing about the songs like Chino did except them being longer (which was the case with SNW until Shaun Lopez chopped them up)
Stephen said he's playing more melodic stuff on Eros as well, so the bottom line is:
Eros is a mix of both Diamond eyes and some of their previous stuff like Around the fur, SNW.
Thats what Ive come up with from my analysis. Please feel free to add.
I really don't find Melanie to be any more or less repetitive than anything else they've written.
Quote from: juvenile on Oct 31, 2011, 04:30 PM
and has the FYIHYD stuff(adrenaline and a bit of around the fur)
FYIHYD not have the feel of Adrenaline / Around the Fur at all (from what i heard), isn't that just a piano solo played by Chino?
FYIHYD (the song) is the piano composition by Chino, and these letters stand for " Fuck you, I hope you die ".
During the Eros days, Chino said:
" So far, it's shaping up to be our most unorthodox piece of work, not only sound-wise but the way a lot of the songs have come about. There is also some of that good old "fuck you, i hope you die!" aggression I know a lot of you love and miss from us. "
When he says "fuck you, i hope you die!" aggression, I guess he means the raw dark sound from the old days and not the FYIHYD track, the similarity is just a coincidence.
"So far, it's shaping up to be our most unorthodox piece of work, not only sound-wise but the way a lot of the songs have come about. There is also some of that good old "fuck you, i hope you die!" aggression I know a lot of you love and miss from us."
this sounds so fucking sweet you guys
Quote from: Vesanic on Oct 31, 2011, 06:23 PM
FYIHYD (the song) is the piano composition by Chino, and these letters stand for " Fuck you, I hope you die ".
During the Eros days, Chino said:
" So far, it's shaping up to be our most unorthodox piece of work, not only sound-wise but the way a lot of the songs have come about. There is also some of that good old "fuck you, i hope you die!" aggression I know a lot of you love and miss from us. "
When he says "fuck you, i hope you die!" aggression, I guess he means the raw dark sound from the old days and not the FYIHYD track, the similarity is just a coincidence.
Yes, that's what I meant. thanks for bringing that up. I am going to wait for EROS to come out and hear what its like but if anyone else can piece together what they think it will be based on the information we have, please do !
Quote from: Vesanic on Oct 31, 2011, 06:23 PM
FYIHYD (the song) is the piano composition by Chino, and these letters stand for " Fuck you, I hope you die ".
During the Eros days, Chino said:
" So far, it's shaping up to be our most unorthodox piece of work, not only sound-wise but the way a lot of the songs have come about. There is also some of that good old "fuck you, i hope you die!" aggression I know a lot of you love and miss from us. "
When he says "fuck you, i hope you die!" aggression, I guess he means the raw dark sound from the old days and not the FYIHYD track, the similarity is just a coincidence.
Sounds fucking excellent to me.... who knows?
Chino smoking again??? ???
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 30, 2011, 11:25 PM
just because melanie is similair to rats doesn't mean they made an entire record sounding like snw. after all that record wasn't exactly a hit. what eros snippet reminds you of snw? that intro sounds more like d.e's beauty school
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Oct 30, 2011, 11:09 PM
DE was made under special circumstances. I thought that'd be obvious.
yes they were under pressure. there's this theory that they used a lot of stuff from eros and polished it up with nick because there was no time. maybe that was what sergio heard. and maybe that's why deftones want to keep eros in the dark
Eros and Diamond Eyes are two completely different records. nothing recorded for Eros made it on to diamond eyes. that is fact. I wish people who do their research before making assumptions that deftones were just reusing previously recorded material on diamond eyes, i mean come on, they are NOT glassjaw...
I remember Chino did an interview when DE came out where he basically said that Deftones needed to release a great record in order to keep going and to grow or at least keep their fanbase.
He was basically implying that Deftones couldn't afford to release another album like SNW.
As great as SNW is, it's not exactly a lot of people's favourite Deftones album.
It really sounded to me like Chino thought that Eros possibly wasn't that great or perhaps that it was a little too unorthodox and might alienate fans.
He made it sound like DE was, if not a superior album in terms of quality, one that would please the fans and perhaps get them noticed by new fans.
Perhaps that's the reason Deftones aren't releasing Eros.
Maybe the material is similar to SNW in that it's more experimental and unorthodox, not that the songs sound the same.
Perhaps now that they're at the top of their game again, getting such good reviews for DE, they're reluctant to release it as they may view it as a step backwards in terms of the progress they made with DE.
Surely if the album really was really mindblowing, the record company would really be pressing them to release it, after-all a lot of money must have been spent to get it recorded and produced.
Also surely the band wouldn't just shelve (possibly completely now) material that would really make people take notice.
I just get the impression that the band is not as proud of the material as they are with the material on DE.
Perhaps they don't want us thinking that this album represents the band well but are reluctant to say it because it's obviously Chi's last work and trashing it would feel a little disrespectful to him.
If this is the case and they feel they don't want to release and promote it as a proper Deftones album/release, maybe they should make it available only for download.
I don't really care if it doesn't live up to expectations and all the hype it's garnered, I still want to hear it.
Even if it's terrible it won't tarnish my view of the band as we can obviously judge DE as being more the direction the band is taking, knowing that it was written and recorded after Eros.
It's in the past now, so even if it really sucks, it doesn't really matter.
By the way does anyone know which interview I'm talking about, maybe someone has a copy.It may be Rollin Stones but I'm not certain at all.
I highly doubt they think Eros sucks, I think Chino is the one that's really not wanting it to get released now, because from here out its really up to *him* to finish it completely, because as far as i know, all it needs is some more vocals and to be mastered, etc. and Chino seems like the type that unless he can finish his vocals right away on something he just says fuck it which is not giving me much hope.
Also, I dont really see how SNW is *that* unorthodox. Its one of Deftones lighter albums, but other than that, I dont see how its particularly strange compared to S/T or White Pony.
Quote from: Electron§ on Nov 01, 2011, 10:45 AM
I highly doubt they think Eros sucks, I think Chino is the one that's really not wanting it to get released now, because from here out its really up to *him* to finish it completely, because as far as i know, all it needs is some more vocals and to be mastered, etc. and Chino seems like the type that unless he can finish his vocals right away on something he just says fuck it which is not giving me much hope.
Also, I dont really see how SNW is *that* unorthodox. Its one of Deftones lighter albums, but other than that, I dont see how its particularly strange compared to S/T or White Pony.
That is also a possibility too, that Chino is reluctant to finish the album. Its also because the album is sad and they're not in that mindset anymore to finish those songs but like Ive said in the past, all the production costs that went into that record need to recovered (although future album sales may recover that investment) the record label will just make more money anyway so it has to be released whether they want to or not.
I think you need to re-listen to SNW carefully and you'll notice how unorthodox it is, compared to Self-titled. In terms of technical writing, ambient elements and recreating each song, so far it is.
it's just an unfinished work. they are on top again and they dont want to release another record without the 'on-the-top' mood. reworking eros is just like a "Meh" to them.
perhaps, perhaps, perhaps
Quote from: juvenile on Nov 01, 2011, 04:30 PM
I think you need to re-listen to SNW carefully and you'll notice how unorthodox it is, compared to Self-titled. In terms of technical writing, ambient elements and recreating each song, so far it is.
Listen to a riff like the one in "When Girls Telephone Boys" or "Needles and Pins" and then compare that to say "Kimdracula" or "Rats!Rats!Rats!". I think it sounds much more like something Chino would describe as *experimental*. I dont even really think the band thinks of SNW as their most experimental album in any way.
Quote from: pony_01 on Nov 01, 2011, 06:43 AM
Quote from: DEFinatelydeftones,fsho on Oct 31, 2011, 08:34 PM
Chino smoking again??? ???
nothing wrong with smoking weed
I agree, thought he was smoking a cig for some reason. Shoulda known....
Quote from: pinkmaggit on Nov 01, 2011, 09:16 AM
I remember Chino did an interview when DE came out where he basically said that Deftones needed to release a great record in order to keep going and to grow or at least keep their fanbase.
He was basically implying that Deftones couldn't afford to release another album like SNW.
As great as SNW is, it's not exactly a lot of people's favourite Deftones album.
It really sounded to me like Chino thought that Eros possibly wasn't that great or perhaps that it was a little too unorthodox and might alienate fans.
He made it sound like DE was, if not a superior album in terms of quality, one that would please the fans and perhaps get them noticed by new fans.
Perhaps that's the reason Deftones aren't releasing Eros.
Maybe the material is similar to SNW in that it's more experimental and unorthodox, not that the songs sound the same.
Perhaps now that they're at the top of their game again, getting such good reviews for DE, they're reluctant to release it as they may view it as a step backwards in terms of the progress they made with DE.
Surely if the album really was really mindblowing, the record company would really be pressing them to release it, after-all a lot of money must have been spent to get it recorded and produced.
Also surely the band wouldn't just shelve (possibly completely now) material that would really make people take notice.
I just get the impression that the band is not as proud of the material as they are with the material on DE.
Perhaps they don't want us thinking that this album represents the band well but are reluctant to say it because it's obviously Chi's last work and trashing it would feel a little disrespectful to him.
If this is the case and they feel they don't want to release and promote it as a proper Deftones album/release, maybe they should make it available only for download.
I don't really care if it doesn't live up to expectations and all the hype it's garnered, I still want to hear it.
Even if it's terrible it won't tarnish my view of the band as we can obviously judge DE as being more the direction the band is taking, knowing that it was written and recorded after Eros.
It's in the past now, so even if it really sucks, it doesn't really matter.
By the way does anyone know which interview I'm talking about, maybe someone has a copy.It may be Rollin Stones but I'm not certain at all.
Man, I just don't know about that because why else would they post short tasty samples for us I believe every week or month at the time? I sensed a feeling of pride
among them then..... legit question, I'm really asking anyone. I mean "peep game!!!" - CHINO And to Juvenille, wasn't it said by maybe V or someone that DE and Covers completed the deal with the label? I thought so but maybe not? U remember this?
Quote from: DEFinatelydeftones,fsho on Nov 02, 2011, 01:09 AM
Quote from: pinkmaggit on Nov 01, 2011, 09:16 AM
I remember Chino did an interview when DE came out where he basically said that Deftones needed to release a great record in order to keep going and to grow or at least keep their fanbase.
He was basically implying that Deftones couldn't afford to release another album like SNW.
As great as SNW is, it's not exactly a lot of people's favourite Deftones album.
It really sounded to me like Chino thought that Eros possibly wasn't that great or perhaps that it was a little too unorthodox and might alienate fans.
He made it sound like DE was, if not a superior album in terms of quality, one that would please the fans and perhaps get them noticed by new fans.
Perhaps that's the reason Deftones aren't releasing Eros.
Maybe the material is similar to SNW in that it's more experimental and unorthodox, not that the songs sound the same.
Perhaps now that they're at the top of their game again, getting such good reviews for DE, they're reluctant to release it as they may view it as a step backwards in terms of the progress they made with DE.
Surely if the album really was really mindblowing, the record company would really be pressing them to release it, after-all a lot of money must have been spent to get it recorded and produced.
Also surely the band wouldn't just shelve (possibly completely now) material that would really make people take notice.
I just get the impression that the band is not as proud of the material as they are with the material on DE.
Perhaps they don't want us thinking that this album represents the band well but are reluctant to say it because it's obviously Chi's last work and trashing it would feel a little disrespectful to him.
If this is the case and they feel they don't want to release and promote it as a proper Deftones album/release, maybe they should make it available only for download.
I don't really care if it doesn't live up to expectations and all the hype it's garnered, I still want to hear it.
Even if it's terrible it won't tarnish my view of the band as we can obviously judge DE as being more the direction the band is taking, knowing that it was written and recorded after Eros.
It's in the past now, so even if it really sucks, it doesn't really matter.
By the way does anyone know which interview I'm talking about, maybe someone has a copy.It may be Rollin Stones but I'm not certain at all.
Man, I just don't know about that because why else would they post short tasty samples for us I believe every week or month at the time? I sensed a feeling of pride
among them then..... legit question, I'm really asking anyone. I mean "peep game!!!" - CHINO And to Juvenille, wasn't it said by maybe V or someone that DE and Covers completed the deal with the label? I thought so but maybe not? U remember this?
Eros was recorded under Reprise Records, technically they still own the recording unless ,if they're out of the label and there is a clause in their contract which will let them keep the recordings which I HIGHLY doubt. I just trying to establish that we will see Eros one day, when is the question.
Didnt Chino say that when they made S/T, they had signed a contract for only two more records on Maverick? So I thought they just produced SNW and Eros, and that's why they had Diamond Eyes on Reprise/Warner Bros. Guess I was wrong.
Quote from: Electron§ on Nov 02, 2011, 06:28 AM
Didnt Chino say that when they made S/T, they had signed a contract for only two more records on Maverick? So I thought they just produced SNW and Eros, and that's why they had Diamond Eyes on Reprise/Warner Bros. Guess I was wrong.
B-Sides and Rariites would count as well too right?
new team sleep... about time!
Quote from: juvenile on Nov 02, 2011, 01:57 PM
Quote from: Electron§ on Nov 02, 2011, 06:28 AM
Didnt Chino say that when they made S/T, they had signed a contract for only two more records on Maverick? So I thought they just produced SNW and Eros, and that's why they had Diamond Eyes on Reprise/Warner Bros. Guess I was wrong.
B-Sides and Rariites would count as well too right?
Maybe, I didn't even think of that.
I'm pretty sure as well that they don't owe Eros to anyone but us!!! ;D Who knows?
the other dude was B Real of Cypress Hill
Quote from: kitesvera on Nov 01, 2011, 08:37 AM
Quote from: from_musings on Oct 30, 2011, 11:25 PM
just because melanie is similair to rats doesn't mean they made an entire record sounding like snw. after all that record wasn't exactly a hit. what eros snippet reminds you of snw? that intro sounds more like d.e's beauty school
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Oct 30, 2011, 11:09 PM
DE was made under special circumstances. I thought that'd be obvious.
yes they were under pressure. there's this theory that they used a lot of stuff from eros and polished it up with nick because there was no time. maybe that was what sergio heard. and maybe that's why deftones want to keep eros in the dark
Eros and Diamond Eyes are two completely different records. nothing recorded for Eros made it on to diamond eyes. that is fact. I wish people who do their research before making assumptions that deftones were just reusing previously recorded material on diamond eyes, i mean come on, they are NOT glassjaw...
no it's not "fact" it's something they've said.big difference right there. chino for example is known for being a compulsive liar throughout the years so i wouldn't use what he says as a 100% reliable source.
that said,i personally don't think d.e is reworked eros material i just said there are specualations,but i can't be 100% sure and neither can you. sure we can all have thoughts and ideas about it,but noone here has "facts" about it
Quote from: mrpelon94 on Nov 02, 2011, 09:46 PM
the other dude was B Real of Cypress Hill
nah it was "Doug E Douche"
Quote from: Electron§ on Nov 01, 2011, 10:45 AM
I highly doubt they think Eros sucks, I think Chino is the one that's really not wanting it to get released now, because from here out its really up to *him* to finish it completely, because as far as i know, all it needs is some more vocals and to be mastered, etc. and Chino seems like the type that unless he can finish his vocals right away on something he just says fuck it which is not giving me much hope.
Also, I dont really see how SNW is *that* unorthodox. Its one of Deftones lighter albums, but other than that, I dont see how its particularly strange compared to S/T or White Pony.
this is what he said about eros in early 2010:
"Moreno had had issues with Eros, enjoying its experimental edge but fearing its songwriting was too untidy. He wanted to improve that on what would become their new album, Diamond Eyes. At least part of the reason for that was because he had come to a startling realisation.
"We needed to save our career," he says. "To be completely honest, I feel that if we had put out Eros, it could have been the end of our career. That's not because the record's terrible but we were still a little unfocussed and people could easily have written us off. In fact, I think a lot of people are on the fence with us at this point."
Why did he feel this about his band?
"I think our lacklustre attitude was showing. There were times I went onstage and, because of my weight, my health and the way I felt, I didn't want to go out there. I'd have been drinking and, because I was drunk, I wouldn't remember shit. I was just getting through it and that was it. I think people still expect a certain amount of quality from us and I don't think the Eros record had that essence and quality."
http://www.tom-bryant.com/deftones-kerrang--tom-bryant.html (http://www.tom-bryant.com/deftones-kerrang--tom-bryant.html)
but like always, chino was talking more optimistic about the record when eros was the record that was going to be released. like the date says, this is said right before the d.e release so now he is in "promoting d.e" mode.
I do think he's right that many lost faith in the deftones at the time he's referring to though, but it was not only about his obesity and bad live shows , it was also about that snw was seen as a disappointment by many longtime fans. if snw had been a fantastic record, many would still have confidence in them, even though the live performances were bad. i'm sure he's aware of it, just don't want to piss on a certain record too much,
he's mixing and confusing things too much i think. "I was fat on stage and people expect quality. eros didn't have the quality."
let's not confuse good music on records with good live energy too much. to be fit, jumping around on stage and be able to sing well on stage is one thing, to record an album with good quality material is another.
if snw was badass, people hadn't been on that fence. he was looking better at 2008 so if looking good is quality, by his way of looking at things - releasing eros wouldn't been the end to their career if he just showed entusiasm at the live shows
Quote from: from_musings on Nov 04, 2011, 11:16 AM
Quote from: Electron§ on Nov 01, 2011, 10:45 AM
I highly doubt they think Eros sucks, I think Chino is the one that's really not wanting it to get released now, because from here out its really up to *him* to finish it completely, because as far as i know, all it needs is some more vocals and to be mastered, etc. and Chino seems like the type that unless he can finish his vocals right away on something he just says fuck it which is not giving me much hope.
Also, I dont really see how SNW is *that* unorthodox. Its one of Deftones lighter albums, but other than that, I dont see how its particularly strange compared to S/T or White Pony.
this is what he said about eros in early 2010:
"Moreno had had issues with Eros, enjoying its experimental edge but fearing its songwriting was too untidy. He wanted to improve that on what would become their new album, Diamond Eyes. At least part of the reason for that was because he had come to a startling realisation.
"We needed to save our career," he says. "To be completely honest, I feel that if we had put out Eros, it could have been the end of our career. That's not because the record's terrible but we were still a little unfocussed and people could easily have written us off. In fact, I think a lot of people are on the fence with us at this point."
Why did he feel this about his band?
"I think our lacklustre attitude was showing. There were times I went onstage and, because of my weight, my health and the way I felt, I didn't want to go out there. I'd have been drinking and, because I was drunk, I wouldn't remember shit. I was just getting through it and that was it. I think people still expect a certain amount of quality from us and I don't think the Eros record had that essence and quality."
http://www.tom-bryant.com/deftones-kerrang--tom-bryant.html (http://www.tom-bryant.com/deftones-kerrang--tom-bryant.html)
but like always, chino was talking more optimistic about the record when eros was the record that was going to be released. like the date says, this is said right before the d.e release so now he is in "promoting d.e" mode.
I do think he's right that many lost faith in the deftones at the time he's referring to though, but it was not only about his obesity and bad live shows , it was also about that snw was seen as a disappointment by many longtime fans. if snw had been a fantastic record, many would still have confidence in them, even though the live performances were bad. i'm sure he's aware of it, just don't want to piss on a certain record too much,
he's mixing and confusing things too much i think. "I was fat on stage and people expect quality. eros didn't have the quality."
let's not confuse good music on records with good live energy too much. to be fit, jumping around on stage and be able to sing well on stage is one thing, to record an album with good quality material is another.
if snw was badass, people hadn't been on that fence. he was looking better at 2008 so if looking good is quality, by his way of looking at things - releasing eros wouldn't been the end to their career if he just showed entusiasm at the live shows
This is very confusing to me, it seems like nowadays Chino likes to acknowledge SNW as if hes unaware that it sounds disjointed and a few of the songs on it aren't very good. Yet, here, he says that because fans were disappointed in it, he seems scared that releasing Eros would be another record fans wouldn't like. Then he goes on to say that when they were about to record Eros, they had rediscovered their friendship and connections as a band, *then* he says he thought it was *too* strange!!!!!! Jesus Chino make up your mind.
Dug out Vesanic's post from an old topic supporting Chino's statement about the end of their career by putting out Eros:
So, some of you know about YouTube channel. Deftones fans from every corner of the world talk to me, exchange informations, and shit.
That might be fake. I haven't got any proof of what the guy pretended but who knows ?
Here it is:
Hey, let me tell you a secret. I work for WMG!! I heard recently that Terry Date handed in their new CD. I`m figuring this was "eros". The head of WMG absolutely hated it!! Fucker!! I figure this was their last album under contract for WMG. So who knows if "eros will ever see the light of day. So now I think they will sign with Universal and put out this second album they've been talking about. We`ll see!! Just thought I`d share.
~Later~ "
I asked him back " Dude... is that true ? "
Here's what he answered me:
Yeah a guy I know that is higher up than me told me cause he knows how much I like the deftones. He said deftones would still get paid for the album but doubts that it will be released. So I think this second album they did with Sergio will go to Universal. If you go to the deftones official website and go to the merchandise section at the very bottom you will see the Universal logo!! I only work security for WMG. But the guy I know actually works for the co. where they store all the master recordings from all the WMG artists. From deftones to Black Sabbath and Grateful Dead Greenday Linkin Park ect. ect. ect. I hope its not true but this dude has no reason to lie"
Quote from: juvenile on Nov 08, 2011, 01:20 AM
Dug out Vesanic's post from an old topic supporting Chino's statement about the end of their career by putting out Eros:
So, some of you know about YouTube channel. Deftones fans from every corner of the world talk to me, exchange informations, and shit.
That might be fake. I haven't got any proof of what the guy pretended but who knows ?
Here it is:
Hey, let me tell you a secret. I work for WMG!! I heard recently that Terry Date handed in their new CD. I`m figuring this was "eros". The head of WMG absolutely hated it!! Fucker!! I figure this was their last album under contract for WMG. So who knows if "eros will ever see the light of day. So now I think they will sign with Universal and put out this second album they've been talking about. We`ll see!! Just thought I`d share.
~Later~ "
I asked him back " Dude... is that true ? "
Here's what he answered me:
Yeah a guy I know that is higher up than me told me cause he knows how much I like the deftones. He said deftones would still get paid for the album but doubts that it will be released. So I think this second album they did with Sergio will go to Universal. If you go to the deftones official website and go to the merchandise section at the very bottom you will see the Universal logo!! I only work security for WMG. But the guy I know actually works for the co. where they store all the master recordings from all the WMG artists. From deftones to Black Sabbath and Grateful Dead Greenday Linkin Park ect. ect. ect. I hope its not true but this dude has no reason to lie"
Basically then, the guys at WMG scared Chino into not wanting to release it, because it was probably too experimental, if this is true. Sounds possible.
that's fucking bullshit
Record labels that's what is bullshit. Telling people how to sound and shit, closed minded fucks. Deftones shouldn't be made to sound a certain way that's what makes them special.
When Chino and the label butt heads it means that the band has something really good. When I hear WMG hates something they did I think "I can't wait to hear that shit!"
By this time in there carrer,I wish they would just buy all there masters and start releasing stuff on there own.a deftones record label,why not?I think it would be smart,shit they could put out crosses,sol invicto,team sleep,why not?shit would sell for sure.
Well I think at the time Chino may have been a little too tired and overwhelmed with getting his shit together, he almost sounds a little sensitive right there. Notice how in the past when the record label would tell him to do something, he would basically be like "fuck that shit", but then in the interview its like hes admitting defeat to them by implying SNW was a failure, and if they thought Eros sucked, it was going down the same path.... I think he was just sick of being so resistant because what do you think was causing a majority of his problems?
But the irony of it, is that the two redheaded step child albums (S/T and SNW) were (and still are) pretty much worshipped by a large sum of people after the initial bad reactions wore off (more S/T than SNW though). And what the band and critics seem to think is *return to form* (Diamond Eyes), isn't very well received anymore, when in the beginning everyone loved it. Ah... Chino is just as confused as we are....
Quote from: sing blue silver on Nov 08, 2012, 12:22 PM
When Chino and the label butt heads it means that the band has something really good. When I hear WMG hates something they did I think "I can't wait to hear that shit!"
THIS!