Care to share album reviews you've seen? Both good and bad, it's always interesting to get different opinions. Overall, the album has been getting mostly positive reviews although Meta critic haven't summed them up yet.
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I recommend this review:
Koi No Yokan review (http://hasitleaked.com/2012/review-deftones-koi-no-yokan/) by Has it Leaked.
Stickied!
There was a thread identical to this and it got closed I think mods want this sort of stuff in the Koi No Yokan general thread
Well, I'm a mod and I think it's cool to have a separate thread for reviews.
http://www.craveonline.com/music/reviews/199565-review-deftones-koi-no-yokan/ (http://www.craveonline.com/music/reviews/199565-review-deftones-koi-no-yokan/)
Quote from: theis on Nov 11, 2012, 04:31 PM
Well, I'm a mod and I think it's cool to have a separate thread for reviews.
Thanks then it's way easier than trawling through all the pages in the other thread
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/music/news/article.cfm?c_id=264&objectid=10845724 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/music/news/article.cfm?c_id=264&objectid=10845724)
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Nov 12, 2012, 01:10 AM
Quote from: theis on Nov 11, 2012, 04:31 PM
Well, I'm a mod and I think it's cool to have a separate thread for reviews.
Thanks then it's way easier than trawling through all the pages in the other thread
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/music/news/article.cfm?c_id=264&objectid=10845724 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/music/news/article.cfm?c_id=264&objectid=10845724)
Lol, love this reply in the comments part
Deftones have mastered their art'?
'Oh and it turns out he's got a great voice'?
"Whoever wrote this is ridiculous.. Someone with more experience with this band should have written this review.
1. Their art has been mastered.
2. Every Deftones fan has been knowing that Chino has a great voice. It's not news.
At least you gave it 5/5, but seriously, you obviously don't know s*** about them."
Yeah that made me laugh the author acts likes he surprised Chino can sing obviously hasn't listened to much Deftones lol
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Nov 12, 2012, 01:59 AM
Yeah that made me laugh the author acts likes he surprised Chino can sing obviously hasn't listened to much Deftones lol
It's probably the first full Deftones album they had listened to.
People should give their own reviews in this thread as well.
Swerve City:Not quite the heavy banger some people described it as before release but very good opener has good energy and is very catchy,It's very dynamic aswell it doesn't feel like it's just 2:45 long there is so many parts.
Romantic Dreams:Awesome track i was worried by preview the song has a much darker than that showed ,very rhythmic and lot's of changes which i like, it switches alot but somehow remains seamless , also very catchy lyrics.
Leathers:Very solid track think it has all the elements that make Deftones special,Probably just doesn't get enough credit because people have heard it lots already but it's really one of the highlights for me i love how it flows so well with the eerie overlapping vocals.
Poltergeist:Like leathers it's one of the best on the album it has that heaviness but then it goes into that extremely groovy chorus ,has pauses in just the right places it's just a really epic song that it seems only Deftones could write.
Entombed: This song is just beautiful it reminds alot of crosses stuff love the dreaminess of it,Stephen's sort of a constant presence with the sweet little riff it all builds up and then comes back down to just Stephen again very well done.
Graphic Nature:Good song has a cool cocky attitude to it which i like along with some very catchy lyrics great song
Tempest:this song didn't really stand out to me when it first came out but hearing it in the context of the album i've falling in love with it ,it just sort of clicked ,this song is basically what Deftones are good at really dynamic and epic sounding.
Gauze:Like this song alot ,very odd sounding riffs and i like what Chino's doing on this track with the repetition of the I bit it adds a bitter sarcasm to the song.Overall very good song with an extremely catchy chorus
Rosemary: This song is contender for my favourite of this album, it's beautiful in that Deftones way it has heavy bits but than it goes into these beautiful soaring bits.the dynamics are at there peak on this song love the contrast between the heavy riffs in the Chorus and the slow picking in the outro pure Deftones genius.
Goon Squad:This song was a real surprise for me not much had been said about it but I loved it straight away it carries on seamlessly from Rosemary with the soft intro but then it just kicks you in the face with a rolling verse the chorus is real groovy and rhythmic very catchy lyrics again this songs lyrics reminded me alot of "Lotion",Just a great Deftones song with lot's of dynamics and attitude.
What happened to you?:I actually like this song quite a lot it has beautiful lyrics and a real relaxing cruise vibe to it ,a great way to seal off the album it brings the mood down really nicely just what i've come to expect from a Deftones closer.
Overall:Overall i love this album it's consistently good there's no skip tracks for me i'm liking all of it,in fact i'm, having alot of trouble trying to find my favourite song there's about 8 possible contenders very good effort from the guys they've moved forward again and i like it alot.
http://www.underthegunreview.net/2012/11/11/review-deftones-koi-no-yokan/ (http://www.underthegunreview.net/2012/11/11/review-deftones-koi-no-yokan/)
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Nov 12, 2012, 03:15 AM
Swerve City:Not quite the heavy banger some people described it as before release but very good opener has good energy and is very catchy,It's very dynamic aswell it doesn't feel like it's just 2:45 long there is so many parts.
Romantic Dreams:Awesome track i was worried by preview the song has a much darker than that showed ,very rhythmic and lot's of changes which i like, it switches alot but somehow remains seamless , also very catchy lyrics.
Leathers:Very solid track think it has all the elements that make Deftones special,Probably just doesn't get enough credit because people have heard it lots already but it's really one of the highlights for me i love how it flows so well with the eerie overlapping vocals.
Poltergeist:Like leathers it's one of the best on the album it has that heaviness but then it goes into that extremely groovy chorus ,has pauses in just the right places it's just a really epic song that it seems only Deftones could write.
Entombed: This song is just beautiful it reminds alot of crosses stuff love the dreaminess of it,Stephen's sort of a constant presence with the sweet little riff it all builds up and then comes back down to just Stephen again very well done.
Graphic Nature:Good song has a cool cocky attitude to it which i like along with some very catchy lyrics great song
Tempest:this song didn't really stand out to me when it first came out but hearing it in the context of the album i've falling in love with it ,it just sort of clicked ,this song is basically what Deftones are good at really dynamic and epic sounding.
Gauze:Like this song alot ,very odd sounding riffs and i like what Chino's doing on this track with the repetition of the I bit it adds a bitter sarcasm to the song.Overall very good song with an extremely catchy chorus
Rosemary: This song is contender for my favourite of this album, it's beautiful in that Deftones way it has heavy bits but than it goes into these beautiful soaring bits.the dynamics are at there peak on this song love the contrast between the heavy riffs in the Chorus and the slow picking in the outro pure Deftones genius.
Goon Squad:This song was a real surprise for me not much had been said about it but I loved it straight away it carries on seamlessly from Rosemary with the soft intro but then it just kicks you in the face with a rolling verse the chorus is real groovy and rhythmic very catchy lyrics again this songs lyrics reminded me alot of "Lotion",Just a great Deftones song with lot's of dynamics and attitude.
What happened to you?:I actually like this song quite a lot it has beautiful lyrics and a real relaxing cruise vibe to it ,a great way to seal off the album it brings the mood down really nicely just what i've come to expect from a Deftones closer.
Overall:Overall i love this album it's consistently good there's no skip tracks for me i'm liking all of it,in fact i'm, having alot of trouble trying to find my favourite song there's about 8 possible contenders very good effort from the guys they've moved forward again and i like it alot.
Nice review man
Video review...
He does refer to Chi as "Ching Moreno" and calls one of their softer songs is Poltergiest
Deftones - Koi No Yokan Album Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XmAE3r2TFM#)
http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/175881/9 (http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/175881/9)
Wow it is good to see them get the credit they deserve, i've seen alot of reviews now and most of them are perfect 5/5 or 10/10 which is unheard of for most reviewers and even if they don't give it a perfect score it's 4.5/5 or 9.5/10 looks like this albums a big success i am really happy for the guys i just hope it's reflected by album sales.
Review from "Drum Media" A free music mag that comes out every Tuesday in Sydney..
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Uncasing video - http://youtu.be/xRwFSjqahvg (http://youtu.be/xRwFSjqahvg)
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Uncasing video - http://youtu.be/xRwFSjqahvg (http://youtu.be/xRwFSjqahvg)
Gorgeous booklet.
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Nov 13, 2012, 07:08 AM
Quote from: P4n1cAtt4cK on Nov 13, 2012, 06:55 AM
Uncasing video - http://youtu.be/xRwFSjqahvg (http://youtu.be/xRwFSjqahvg)
Gorgeous booklet.
Yeah it's not well made though it already sort of worn on the folds and would rip real easily
http://youtu.be/XmQVLvws0iE (http://youtu.be/XmQVLvws0iE)
NOW WITH TEN EIGHTY PEE AUDIO
Album is meh. Swerve City is okay so are a couple others. I just don't care for the new direction they're going in. Chino's crooning sounds the same in most songs.
Ah well, theres always around the fur and self titled and white pony and saturday night wrist and adrenaline and a bunch of rare shit.
Deftones- Koi No Yokan ALBUM REVIEW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYx3RYer3V8#ws)
Deftones by the numbers and too comfortable. I agree.
Lets see all the hate from the newfags.
I'll just write my own review...
Written as I listen to them:
Swerve City - My first impression I get here is Mein 2.0. The bouncy rhythm, sounds pretty decent. Some people don't like this song, but I don't really see anything wrong with it. I like the Verse part a lot, Chino's voice soars here. Chorus riff is pretty run of the mill, but still a headbanger. Love the bridge the best, and the song is short and sweet for an opener. - 3/5
Romantic Dreams - My least favorite song on the album, easily. Starts off really interesting. The "So I wait to discover..." part comes in and continues to be awesome. Then once the chorus comes in, "I'm hypnotized by your name...," I can't help but think there's a better way they could have done that. It sounds terrible to me, absolutely awful. The chorus ruins, for me, what would have been a perfectly good song. - 1/5
Leathers - Wasn't sure about this song when it first came out, was kind of disappointed. I'm still a little disappointed, but it seems to have grown a little on me. But, much like a tumor, it grows on you and you might get used to it.. but you would still rather it not be there. I like the verse, a lot! But the chorus here, again, ruins for me what would be a good song. When I hear this chorus I'm reminded of something like My Chemical Romance or something, and it bothers the hell out of me. The "Show your enemy, what you look like," part REALLY rocks though and makes up for the chorus a bit. - 2/5
Poltergeist - Awesomeness, pure and simple! One of the best on the album, it rocks. It does have a Rocket Skates feel to it, and the working title Roller Derby kinda points to that too. Seems to be this album's Rocket Skates, only much much better than it! The Verse is the hardest rocker on the entire album, and then the Chorus just comes in and sends me to another plane similar to what Kimdracula does to me. Abe's drums on this song are solid as hell, love it. - 5/5
Entombed - KNY, as a whole, seems a lot like DE#2. So, by this point we should all have expected the obligatory Sextape knockoff. It's good for a slow song, which takes a lot for me to really get into (with a few exceptions I loved from the start, see: Riviere, Xerces, etc). The bass line at 2:40 sounds awesome, but then it just kinda restarts from the beginning all over again. The end is the absolute best part of the song, Abe's drumming kills it in the last minute starting at 4:00. Decent. - 3/5
Graphic Nature - One of the songs that really grabbed me at first listen. It sounds fantastic, absolutely dark and cool. Reminds me of their rendition of If Only Tonight We Could Sleep, which I love. One of the best songs on the album, simple. - 4/5
Tempest - Ok, I definitely LIKE this song... but as a single? I'm not sure. It sounds good, and it's great in the context of the album, but I will probably never listen to it unless I'm going through all of KNY. The guitar songs great, and LOVE when it explodes around 3:45. But, like I said, it's very much a slow build kind of song and really only acceptable as part of the album as a whole. - 2/5
Gauze - Their best song since SNW, in my opinion. I love the verse riff, sounds so cool in contrast with Franks textures. The verse soars, as seems to be their signature nowadays. I love the lyrics, I won't get into what I think it means.. but it hits me pretty hard. The end gives me a Headup outro feel, which kinda harks back to their earlier days. Def an amazing track, through and through. - 5/5
Rosemary - In the same sense as Tempest, I just don't feel this song out of the context of the album as a whole. I don't NOT like it, the intro and outro are sexy as hell, and the chorus just pounds you in the face, and the bridge at 5:00 is pretty rockin. But, just like Tempest, it's a very slowwww song.. and SO GOD DAMN LONG! I can't ever see myself listening to it on like a Deftones mix or something, and I just don't feel what everyone else seems to about this. - 3/5
Goon Squad - Another favorite, like old school Deftones style. The intro flows perfectly from Rosemary and lulls you into a false sense of security right before it smashes your teeth in! Then in comes that hardcore Deftones reminiscent of that classic Headup riff, with (of course) the soaring chorus. One of the best on the album for sure. - 4/5
What Happened To You? - Took me a bit to get into this, but I love it! I get a Riviere feel to it, which makes sense since that was their closer for SNW. I like the drums, very eclectic. My only problem is that it does seem to sort of end abruptly, but no big deal. - 3/5
Average Score - 3.36/5
Not a bad album as far as music goes, but my 6th out of 7 total Deftones albums.. just barely beating out Diamond Eyes.
Alrighty, where to begin... Obviously, 1988 would be one of the best starting points; however, as most of you already know, a cult was born that day. Being a fan for almost 14 years (still counting I might add) my love for these guys has yet to subside. But I digress because, well, we're all on this forum for the exact same reason: hopeless devotion of the WORLD'S GREATEST BAND!
So I'm not going to lie, I didn't buy KOI NO YOKAN precisely on the 13th, but I figure Chino and the gang would understand that life can be a b*tch at times [*cough* work *cough*] and I bought the album 2 days later.... Anyways, album review:
In all honesty, I'm still unsure about how I feel about the new album. I admit, I listened to KOI on repeat all day today just to figure this out. I will say it's good, but is it amazing? I don't know lol
I've heard amazingly-awesome-epic from the 'tones (aka Around the Fur, White Pony, and Diamond Eyes, all of which are completely subjective choices), but is KOI just as mind-blowing? I'm not sure.
Songs like Swerve City, Leathers, Entombed, Gauze are great. They're great because they all have a connection to older def tunes: Chino's melodic vocals (always give me a chill), heavy riffs, and ambient mixes (just to name a few). Is this a good thing? yes...and no. Do I think these songs are "safe"? Yes, but I appreciate the allusion to older tunes precisely because I love those older albums.
VERDICT:::: my opinion on Koi remains neutral lol probably not the answer you were hoping to find, yet maybe I'm not the only fan that feels this way about the new album. Am I?
But!!!!!! I still have faith in the new album. Who knows? Maybe after a few days of repeat, I'll have encountered some sort of KOI NO YOKAN epiphany *crosses fingers*
Here's my review:
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Worst Deftones record ever.
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 04:56 AM
Here's my review:
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Worst Deftones record ever.
I think it may be tied with SNW
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 04:56 AM
Here's my review:
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Worst Deftones record ever.
lol
Quote from: beautyschool_elite on Nov 17, 2012, 05:08 AM
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 04:56 AM
Here's my review:
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Worst Deftones record ever.
I think it may be tied with SNW
Naw, KNY isn't nearly that epic! ;)
My 2 cents...
Swerve City - Fun at first, now I'm a bit bored by it. Would've been fine if this appeared on their 1st or 2nd album but kind of embarrassing when it makes the cut on #7.
Romantic Dreams - Kinda like it but should've loved it. The time sig changes are a nice try but never seem organic, like they did it just to sound progressive & "hey everyone. our sound is evolving"
Leathers - interesting intro, nice thick riffs, great lyrics but like a lot of deftones songs over the past decade, turns into repetitive filler. Instead of just trying to make a potential radio hit they could have stepped back & really thought about where the song could've went. Instead, it ends up going nowhere. After the first verse/chorus, you no longer need to keep listeneing 'cause you've already heard the whole song. Probably the weakest track overall imo
Poltergeist - Aside from the fact that i liked the original title Roller Derby 100000x more, track 4 isnt bad but again once i listened all the way thru i knew the next time i listened i would only be listening to a certain point before skipping to something else. The hand claps actually kinda worked for me i guess because they shouldn't have in a song this heavy. Sergio's low end is nice & sinister but again, havent they made this type of short & sweet uptempo aggressive choppy song before (Rickets, Street Carp, Rapture, CMND?CTRL even Melanie) What's the point? They can do this shit in their sleep Is it just an excuse to get another heavy track on the album? Could've been better but instead ends up kinda lame
Entombed - Nice song. I actually prefer more of their melodic stuff but nothing surprising here. This song didnt need to be 5 minutes Very monochromatic all the way thru. Liked the lyrics, Chino's voice didnt sound strained for once & I like the electronic tinge in the drum beats but it makes its point early then has nothing new to say (Sensing a patern here?) KNY's Sextape. Decent song but where's the risk? Do all their albums have to have that one or two ballad-y type team sleep song?
Graphic Nature - not much to say except this gets my vote as most boring song on KNY & one of the most uninteresting songs they've ever done. Not bad so much as its just kinda...there. Nothing memorable. Lyrics are kinda cool but idk...listened once & can safely say it wont be getting a second
Tempest - one of the best songs they've ever written...no complaints except that sadly, more songs werent like this one
Gauze - Glasssjaw called they want their song back. Liked the syncopation just before the chorus & Frank's effects are killer but heavy for the sake of beong heavy No imagination, no exploration Very disappointing
Rosemary - see Tempest...although we didnt need the outro because it said to me "we need to make this song longer so people will look at the track length & think something epic is going on when really we're just adding unnecessary noise at the ends of songs" Come to think of it, you could say the same for entombed, graphic nature, gauze & goon squad...why extend a song longer than it needs to be if you're not gonna use that time wisely. I guess the band heard some fans complaining that DE was too short & decided the remedy would be to make their next album hella long for the hell of it instead of making an honest effort to be exciting & fresh
Goon Squad - awesome intro followed by 4 minutes of ridiculous "WHOOS" in the chorus, a riff that may as well have been playing on a loop, and another song i would've expected from ATF era deftones This song went on forever & just left me numb but not in a good way. Besides the intro, the only other thing i did enjoy was the "designed for you by me" part but overall nothing special
WHTY? - Hate this song as a closer for the sole reason that we've all come to expect songs like this as a closer. However, the only reason it works is because it's the closer so figure that one out. Placed anywhere else on the album & I'd feel the same way for it as i do Entombed or sextape. That being said WHTY is actually a really cool song on its own. Simple yes but Chino's vocals & lyrics really hit me. Anything short of the haunting qualities that Chino provides & I'd be shitting on this track but he kinda saved some greatness for last but its too late nonetheless
if there's one thing KNY accomplished it made me appreciate White Pony even more. HUUUUUUGE disappointment. For all the talk that this band wants to push the envelope & be more daring & experimental, they seemed to have forgotten that it needs to happen naturally. Trying to be different is beneath a band that made its name by being different by simply existing
Honestly, I think this might be their best record yet. It took me about 18 listens to figure that one out, but that's where I stand.
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 04:56 AM
Here's my review:
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Worst Deftones record ever.
come on dude, it's better than de
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Nov 17, 2012, 06:15 AM
Quote from: beautyschool_elite on Nov 17, 2012, 05:08 AM
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 04:56 AM
Here's my review:
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Worst Deftones record ever.
I think it may be tied with SNW
Naw, KNY isn't nearly that epic! ;)
You thought SNW was epic?! Oh my, do elaborate :P
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 04:56 AM
Here's my review:
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Worst Deftones record ever.
For me, that can only be Diamond Eyes. Made a mixtape yesterday and there are like two or three songs from every album on it, but I couldnt find one song from DE that was above average to me. I dont feel that record at all.
But as always: talking about music is like dancing to architecture.
Quote from: Penicks on Nov 17, 2012, 01:19 PM
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 04:56 AM
Here's my review:
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Worst Deftones record ever.
come on dude, it's better than de
I think some songs are better than anything on DE, but as a whole DE was way more cohesive to me. KNY is just a bunch of random tracks in my opinion.
For sure nothing what I expected it to be. However, Rosemary, Goon Squad, Poltergeist are some pure Deftones sounding tracks. I'm sure it'll take a little time to let everyone digest it and look at it in retrospect to their past records and appreciate the album for what it is. Really it has a lot more sincerity than half the songs on DE.
3.8 out of 5
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 06:20 PM
KNY is just a bunch of random tracks in my opinion.
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Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 06:20 PM
Quote from: Penicks on Nov 17, 2012, 01:19 PM
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 04:56 AM
Here's my review:
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Worst Deftones record ever.
come on dude, it's better than de
I think some songs are better than anything on DE, but as a whole DE was way more cohesive to me. KNY is just a bunch of random tracks in my opinion.
You're a bunch of random tracks.
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 04:56 AM
Here's my review:
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Worst Deftones record ever.
lmfao. I can't decide if it's better than DE or not, but they're both in the running for worst record for sure.
Quote from: beautyschool_elite on Nov 17, 2012, 03:37 PM
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Nov 17, 2012, 06:15 AM
Quote from: beautyschool_elite on Nov 17, 2012, 05:08 AM
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 04:56 AM
Here's my review:
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Worst Deftones record ever.
I think it may be tied with SNW
Naw, KNY isn't nearly that epic! ;)
You thought SNW was epic?! Oh my, do elaborate :P
Yes I did, and still do. It's my #1 favorite Deftones album, with ST being a close second. They had not done anything like it before, or since.
HITE has an amazing intro and outro, and beautiful Chino singing throughout with awesome texturing going on in there. The verse riff in Rapture may just be their best ever, it's one of my single favorite tracks of any artist of all time. Beware just kicks ass, plain and simple. Cherry Waves is probably their second weakest on the album, but has a pretty solid bassline. I'll just skip Mein... The Konami Code song is just genius, puts me into a trance and I could listen to it on a continuous loop for hours at a time. Xerces is another top 10 Deftones song for me, I love it. I feel like Rats is their template for everything they've done since SNW, hard verse with a soaring chorus. Awesome and totally different from what they did before. Pink Cellphone is funny, and a good head nodder. Don't know why it's so hated on, it's a fucking joke track, not meant to be a real song goddammit... Combat is another top 10 for me, awesome bouncy rhythm and cool intro. Kimdracula makes me sink into the abyss with that simply amazing riff, one of their best! And Rivière is their single best closing song, soooo sexy!
* indicate my favorite songs (I'll choose 5)
Swerve City: Sergio's bass line is probably the best part of the song for me. The guitar during the bridge builds atmosphere nicely and Chino's lyrics remain vague and sexaul (she breaks her horses.. Hmm, who are the horses?) My two complaints here are Chino's ohhhh's and the song's short length. Some may like the length but it feels incomplete to me.
Romantic Dreams*: The song opens with a very interesting riff for the Deftones standards that builds up to the beginning verse. Chino's vocals are full of emotion and his distant screaming in the verses play off the guitar beautifully. Abe has some memorable parts throughout the song and the band handles the tempo changes well. It might seem hypocritical that I starred this song when it contains more emphasized ohhhh's than Swerve City, they seem to work here. This song is easily one of the highlights off of KNY.
Leathers: Right off the bat, I love the intro to this song. It is unlike anything the band has tried before and builds an eerie stillness before Chino's vocals and Steph's guitar shatter any false sense of security. The verses are heavier than anything else on the album and Frank's contributions add an extra reason to love this song. Chino's vocals do get softer during the chorus which will likely polarize some opinions on the song, but I think they work wonderfully. If I had a sixth star to give, it would go to Leathers. My only complaint is that it is lyrically reminiscent of Around The Fur. There is an EPK where Chino explains the ATF title and Leathers seems to be the song version of his explanation. It is a great song regardless though.
Poltergeist*: The song welcomes listeners with a series of fun rhythmic hand claps before the guitar storms its way in and makes it presence known. Chino's sing/scream vocals are excellent but the highlight if the song for me has to be the lyrics. The whole left you for dead/ love you to death connects the song's title to the music and the Deftones once again mix beauty and violence together to create another memorable tune. It is also hard to not clap your hands or sing along when The music cuts on during the bridge and Chino's vocals stand alone. This song is my pick for the strongest off of KNY.
Entombed: Upon my first listen of KNY, Entombed was one of my top five favorite songs on the album. I still love it and it is currently contending with Leathers for the sixth star. The song is very calming thanks to Steph's finger tapping and the soundscape that Frank creates here, making this a breath of fresh air for listeners at this point on the album. Chino's voice is top notch, as his high notes do not bother me, but his lyrics shine once again and steal the show. If the song is imagined from Chino's point of view, the song describes a one-sided and submissive relationship. Lyrically, the song reminds me of feiticeira (woman who has a man in a vulnerable position, one chained and one in a car trunk, maybe it's just me) but that is far from a complaint. The way Chino sings "shapes and colors are all I see" is also depressingly beautiful.
Graphic Nature: I was drawn into the guitar on this song right away and this is the song I think will be the next single after Swerve City. All the members play well here but there is nothing that really jumps out and demands my attention on this song. The lyrics seem a little uninspired (sorry to anyone who really likes them) but the guitars are what saves this song from being forgettable. This song is middle of the road for me but it use to be my least favorite off the album. It has grown on me a lot since then and maybe it will continue.
Tempest*: This song is beautiful. It is heavy yet still has softer moments (the intro) and the meaty progressive riffs are the executed perfectly. The momentum builds into one of the best choruses on the album full of airy vocals, strong lyrical imagery, and bending guitars. Warner picked a great song for a single and the song does not seem as long as it's track time actually is. Anytime that happens, you know a band has crafted an excellent song that has a high replay value.
Gauze: The opening seconds of guitar sound generic in my opinion but then a riff reminiscent of I'll Throw Rocks At You immediately hooked me back in. The verse is ok in my opinion but nothing too special, but the song shows signs of life again when the band experiments with a guitar keyboard mixture during the chorus. I am beginning to warm up to this song a little more but it suffers from the same problems Graphic Nature had. Gauze just has an experimental chorus and hard rocking outro. Another slightly above average song.
Rosemary*: This song is the most complete peice of music on the album. From the soft spacey introduction, to the changing atmosphere of the chorus, to the ending riff (that sounds suspiciously like the ending riff of Diamond Eyes) that eats you alive, you will be entertained. There is stron lyrical imagery here and the way Chino sings explooooooode at the song's climax is tremendous. As if this wasn't enough to listen, the outro to this song may be one of my abortive parts of the entire album. Deftones create a dream like soundscape with a Smashing Pumpkins styled guitar riff. After Steph's hard riff near the end of Rosemary, this is a beautiful way to end the song. Rosemary and Poltergeist are easily the best two songs on the album for me.
Goon Squad: Where to begin. On a positive note, the intro carries the atmosphere from the end of Rosemary. On a negative note, the intro is the best part of the song. Many people say the aggressive guitar and screaming make this an "old school sounding Deftones song," I wish I heard what those people did. This song pales in comparison to WGTB, Elite, Lotion, or Headup and lacks a certain bite. I am not a fan of the chorus full of looped screams backing up Chino's singing (and I love the dude's voice) and I struggle to get through the whole song. There is a decent guitar section during the bridge but it does not redeem the song. Honestly, this is probably my least favorite song on KNY.
What Happened To You*: I fucking love this song. I can relate the lyrics to a time in my life and the distinct sound of the song makes it that much more special. Sergio's easy going bass is bouncy and supports the verse nicely and makes this track minimalistic and beautiful. When the guitar comes in during the chorus when Chino is singing about the sky falling and stars burning out, this song becomes an emotional high point on the album for me. I can understand why some may not consider it a good "closer," but I will defend this as one of the better songs the Deftones have made since SNW era. Even if you aren't a big fan of the song, "We're alive somewhere else" and life will go on. I respect others opinions but this song is fantastic.
Overall, KNY feels like a very complete record and work very well within the context of the album. There are more individually memorable songs off of their other albums, but this record flows very well. I also enjoy the intros and outros as well as the other experimentation tried on KNY. It will be interesting to see where this record ranks overall in the Deftones catalogie in a year or two.
Basically every song is OK, except Poltergeist and Gauze are amazing and Romantic Dreams and Leathers are terrible.
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Nov 18, 2012, 09:19 PM
Basically every song is OK, except Poltergeist and Gauze are amazing and Romantic Dreams and Leathers are terrible.
lol. Leathers is only 1 out of 2 songs I even listen to. You must be another noob fan into this new style of deftones shit if you think those tracks are better than leathers, cuz they fucking blow.
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Nov 18, 2012, 09:10 AM
Quote from: beautyschool_elite on Nov 17, 2012, 03:37 PM
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Nov 17, 2012, 06:15 AM
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Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 04:56 AM
Here's my review:
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Worst Deftones record ever.
I think it may be tied with SNW
Naw, KNY isn't nearly that epic! ;)
You thought SNW was epic?! Oh my, do elaborate :P
Yes I did, and still do. It's my #1 favorite Deftones album, with ST being a close second. They had not done anything like it before, or since.
I'm with you. Snw is in my top 3.
Quote from: Bza々 on Nov 19, 2012, 01:35 AM
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Nov 18, 2012, 09:19 PM
Basically every song is OK, except Poltergeist and Gauze are amazing and Romantic Dreams and Leathers are terrible.
lol. Leathers is only 1 out of 2 songs I even listen to. You must be another noob fan into this new style of deftones shit if you think those tracks are better than leathers, cuz they fucking blow.
You must be a giant tool to assume your opinion is more valid than mine, and then to assume how long I've been a fan (how you could attempt to know this is well beyond me). Which kind of leads me to believe that it's you that "blows," and not in the metaphorical sense.
Yeah if you disagree you don't need to be a dick about it and put the other guy down just put forward your argument
Here is some of my feelings on the album to date.
First off, I find KNY is miles ahead of DE in every aspect. More interesting songs and more progressive songwriting, also I find it flows flawlessly. I don't find a single section of the album sounding fragmented or out of place. ST is the only other Deftones album I get that feeling from. Sure this album may be a bit more "safe" or "comfortable" for where they are in their career. It's a logical follow up to DE and doesn't take as many stylistic changes from the last album like the band has been known to do, but I feel they really perfected that style they'd moved towards since SNW and added a lot of atmospheric aspects and musicianship that lacked on DE.
So far I am in love with KNY unlike I have been with a Deftones album in quite some time. I find it hard to rank the albums at this point with the sheer volume of material the band have amassed but I see it in 3 stages. Adrenaline and Around the fur were the young, agressive Deftones full of piss and vinegar and making very raw and honest music.
Then comes the WP, ST and SNW stage of the career. The band made a departure from their sound and threw their fans a curveball by separating themselves from their peers and making music that could be taken far more seriously and sounded more mature. They took risks and those risks paid off big time. My two personal favourite and most listened to Deftones albums come from this period (ST and SNW). The emotions were still genuine but presented in more effective and interesting ways that had only been touched on with their first two albums. To me this is when Deftones were most interesting, most exciting and most effective.
Then came the tragic accident of Chi Cheng and this changed the world of Deftones forever. I don't think some fans will ever come to terms with this change. Maybe hearing Eros would shed more light on the stylistic change this time around but somehow I doubt it. The absence of Chi and the addition of Sergio Vega changed the bands sound forever. Also the addition of Nick Raskulinecz and 8 string guitars changed how the band sounds on record. For me Diamond Eyes was the Deftones "pop" record. It's very straight forward and to the point songs with a less agressive edge and a broader appeal. Also it comes across as an immensely optimistic record that really showed in the bands mindset at the time. For me it doesn't resonate a couple years later the way the early albums do but it brought the band back into the public eye the most they had been since WP. It was a critical and commercial success and it instilled a new confidence in the band. Personally I feel the ambition on this record wasn't quite realized but it works as an album. To me it works as a bridge between SNW and KNY.
With KNY the band took that work ethic, sound and optimism of DE and really fully realized the potential of the new sound with the new lineup. Unfortunately Swerve City is the weakest album opener for me yet besides Diamond Eyes but the album really takes off and doesn't fail to impress. Romantic Dreams has a very haunting feeling during the verses and I enjoy the chorus even though it may be the weakest moment of an otherwise great song. I enjoy it but I feel the flow of the song completely shifts during the chorus. Some love it and some hate it. For me it keeps things interesting but I can see how some may find it self indulgent on Chino's part. Leathers and Poltergeist flow well into one another and are a shot of adrenaline that echos through the rest of the album on tracks like Gauze and Goon Squad.
Entombed has grown on me immensely. It may be one of my favourite tracks on the album and I find it connects to me on an emotional level. Also Graphic Nature seems to get a bit of a bad rap. It's groovy and has a very interesting and effective vocal delivery. It's bouncy, fun and a bit haunting all at the same time.
Then comes Tempest, which I consider the second weakest song on the album, but still a very good tune. Though Deftones writing "concept" songs is something I'm not terribly into. It doesn't come off as genuine as other parts of the album and that raw genuine emotion of older albums has been dampened. Songs about the apocalypse and time travel are maybe something I could go without the Deftones trying, though the latter pays off much more with Rosemary. This song is expansive, emotional, and beautiful. It's one of my favourite moments on the album and is placed perfectly between two heavy hitters.
The closing track is an interesting experiment in sound for the band and I love the way it opens up in the chorus. This seems to be a trend with the album but is perhaps most well suited here. It doesn't feel like the song taking a left turn when this moment happens but perhaps one could argue that the lack of such changes in the feeling of the song make it a bit boring to some. This isn't the case for me but I could understand that opinion. It isn't one of the best Deftones closing tracks for an album by any stretch but it's a song I enjoy.
Once again this record echos a positivity that reaches some but may fall a bit short for fans of the agressive or dark and dreary Deftones of the past. There are a few moments on the album that call back to that era in a way but it's not the focus by any means. It won't top the connections I have to albums like ST, SNW and ATF but it's a grower and it's currently having an interesting effect on me. I like it and right now I'm just enjoying the ride of being a Deftones fan. With a band that goes through so many stylistic changes, sometimes even the most die hard fan may not personally care for the choices the band makes. Over my lengthy tenure as a Deftones fan, I've been fortunate enough to enjoy the majority of those changes and this is one I can get behind. Only time will tell how this album sticks out in their catalogue and perhaps I'll fall out of love with it someday as I have before but it won't be any time soon.
Quote from: Bza々 on Nov 19, 2012, 01:35 AM
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Nov 18, 2012, 09:19 PM
Basically every song is OK, except Poltergeist and Gauze are amazing and Romantic Dreams and Leathers are terrible.
lol. Leathers is only 1 out of 2 songs I even listen to. You must be another noob fan into this new style of deftones shit if you think those tracks are better than leathers, cuz they fucking blow.
you're absolutely right: you're obviously one of the only "real" Deftones fans. thank you very much for your well-informed opinion. it's an honor to hear from such a convincing presence in the Deftones fan base.
on a serious note, big deal. someone likes different Deftones songs than you do. you must have been so offended that that was the case. get over yourself. everyone has opinions about this album.
here's my opinion on KNY, track by track. it's not a very well-written "review", but i'm not very good at putting my feelings into words about music anyway.
1. Swerve City: i like it, it's a very solid opener for this already solid album. the sound of this one gets me going. 8/10
2. Romantic Dreams: it's not a bad song, but not one of my favorites on this one. not feeling it too much. 6/10
3. Leathers: i heard it so many times before KNY was released, but it's still enjoyable. not in my top 3 of favorites here though. 7/10
4. Poltergeist: this is my favorite track on KNY, and it's not even that close. 10/10
5. Entombed: on the slower side but not too bad. i don't have any complaints. the sound is still great. 8/10
6. Graphic Nature: it's got a solid sound to it and decent lyrics, but i'm not really feeling this one much. 7/10
7. Tempest: another song i heard a lot before KNY got released. i like this slightly better than Leathers though, but not much more. 8/10
8. Gauze: this is my second favorite track on KNY. i can listen to this one pretty much any time. 10/10
9. Rosemary: my third favorite track on KNY, it's very peaceful but still has that familiarly loud Deftones feel. 9/10
10. Goon Squad: the sound on this one is so intense it can get me pumped no matter what i'm doing. not feeling the vocals too much though. 9/10
11. What Happened to You: vocally an interesting choice to close out the album, but i'm not that into the sound of it. 8/10
OVERALL: in my opinion, this album is a very good release from Deftones. whether you loved or hated DE, this one could probably hold your interest anyway. i think anyone who hated this one expected a White Pony or Around the Fur influence too much. i expected more of a SNW or DE vibe to their sound and that's what i felt i got out of it, so i'm not upset about it.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Nov 19, 2012, 03:10 AM
Here is some of my feelings on the album to date.
First off, I find KNY is miles ahead of DE in every aspect. More interesting songs and more progressive songwriting, also I find it flows flawlessly. I don't find a single section of the album sounding fragmented or out of place. ST is the only other Deftones album I get that feeling from. Sure this album may be a bit more "safe" or "comfortable" for where they are in their career. It's a logical follow up to DE and doesn't take as many stylistic changes from the last album like the band has been known to do, but I feel they really perfected that style they'd moved towards since SNW and added a lot of atmospheric aspects and musicianship that lacked on DE.
So far I am in love with KNY unlike I have been with a Deftones album in quite some time. I find it hard to rank the albums at this point with the sheer volume of material the band have amassed but I see it in 3 stages. Adrenaline and Around the fur were the young, agressive Deftones full of piss and vinegar and making very raw and honest music.
Then comes the WP, ST and SNW stage of the career. The band made a departure from their sound and threw their fans a curveball by separating themselves from their peers and making music that could be taken far more seriously and sounded more mature. They took risks and those risks paid off big time. My two personal favourite and most listened to Deftones albums come from this period (ST and SNW). The emotions were still genuine but presented in more effective and interesting ways that had only been touched on with their first two albums. To me this is when Deftones were most interesting, most exciting and most effective.
Then came the tragic accident of Chi Cheng and this changed the world of Deftones forever. I don't think some fans will ever come to terms with this change. Maybe hearing Eros would shed more light on the stylistic change this time around but somehow I doubt it. The absence of Chi and the addition of Sergio Vega changed the bands sound forever. Also the addition of Nick Raskulinecz and 8 string guitars changed how the band sounds on record. For me Diamond Eyes was the Deftones "pop" record. It's very straight forward and to the point songs with a less agressive edge and a broader appeal. Also it comes across as an immensely optimistic record that really showed in the bands mindset at the time. For me it doesn't resonate a couple years later the way the early albums do but it brought the band back into the public eye the most they had been since WP. It was a critical and commercial success and it instilled a new confidence in the band. Personally I feel the ambition on this record wasn't quite realized but it works as an album. To me it works as a bridge between SNW and KNY.
With KNY the band took that work ethic, sound and optimism of DE and really fully realized the potential of the new sound with the new lineup. Unfortunately Swerve City is the weakest album opener for me yet besides Diamond Eyes but the album really takes off and doesn't fail to impress. Romantic Dreams has a very haunting feeling during the verses and I enjoy the chorus even though it may be the weakest moment of an otherwise great song. I enjoy it but I feel the flow of the song completely shifts during the chorus. Some love it and some hate it. For me it keeps things interesting but I can see how some may find it self indulgent on Chino's part. Leathers and Poltergeist flow well into one another and are a shot of adrenaline that echos through the rest of the album on tracks like Gauze and Goon Squad.
Entombed has grown on me immensely. It may be one of my favourite tracks on the album and I find it connects to me on an emotional level. Also Graphic Nature seems to get a bit of a bad rap. It's groovy and has a very interesting and effective vocal delivery. It's bouncy, fun and a bit haunting all at the same time.
Then comes Tempest, which I consider the second weakest song on the album, but still a very good tune. Though Deftones writing "concept" songs is something I'm not terribly into. It doesn't come off as genuine as other parts of the album and that raw genuine emotion of older albums has been dampened. Songs about the apocalypse and time travel are maybe something I could go without the Deftones trying, though the latter pays off much more with Rosemary. This song is expansive, emotional, and beautiful. It's one of my favourite moments on the album and is placed perfectly between two heavy hitters.
The closing track is an interesting experiment in sound for the band and I love the way it opens up in the chorus. This seems to be a trend with the album but is perhaps most well suited here. It doesn't feel like the song taking a left turn when this moment happens but perhaps one could argue that the lack of such changes in the feeling of the song make it a bit boring to some. This isn't the case for me but I could understand that opinion. It isn't one of the best Deftones closing tracks for an album by any stretch but it's a song I enjoy.
Once again this record echos a positivity that reaches some but may fall a bit short for fans of the agressive or dark and dreary Deftones of the past. There are a few moments on the album that call back to that era in a way but it's not the focus by any means. It won't top the connections I have to albums like ST, SNW and ATF but it's a grower and it's currently having an interesting effect on me. I like it and right now I'm just enjoying the ride of being a Deftones fan. With a band that goes through so many stylistic changes, sometimes even the most die hard fan may not personally care for the choices the band makes. Over my lengthy tenure as a Deftones fan, I've been fortunate enough to enjoy the majority of those changes and this is one I can get behind. Only time will tell how this album sticks out in their catalogue and perhaps I'll fall out of love with it someday as I have before but it won't be any time soon.
holy wall of text batman. could you break it into paragraphs? I'd really like to read it but it hurts my eyes the way it is now.
Quote from: only pieces remain on Nov 19, 2012, 03:24 AM
Quote from: sing blue silver on Nov 19, 2012, 03:10 AM
Here is some of my feelings on the album to date.
First off, I find KNY is miles ahead of DE in every aspect. More interesting songs and more progressive songwriting, also I find it flows flawlessly. I don't find a single section of the album sounding fragmented or out of place. ST is the only other Deftones album I get that feeling from. Sure this album may be a bit more "safe" or "comfortable" for where they are in their career. It's a logical follow up to DE and doesn't take as many stylistic changes from the last album like the band has been known to do, but I feel they really perfected that style they'd moved towards since SNW and added a lot of atmospheric aspects and musicianship that lacked on DE.
So far I am in love with KNY unlike I have been with a Deftones album in quite some time. I find it hard to rank the albums at this point with the sheer volume of material the band have amassed but I see it in 3 stages. Adrenaline and Around the fur were the young, agressive Deftones full of piss and vinegar and making very raw and honest music.
Then comes the WP, ST and SNW stage of the career. The band made a departure from their sound and threw their fans a curveball by separating themselves from their peers and making music that could be taken far more seriously and sounded more mature. They took risks and those risks paid off big time. My two personal favourite and most listened to Deftones albums come from this period (ST and SNW). The emotions were still genuine but presented in more effective and interesting ways that had only been touched on with their first two albums. To me this is when Deftones were most interesting, most exciting and most effective.
Then came the tragic accident of Chi Cheng and this changed the world of Deftones forever. I don't think some fans will ever come to terms with this change. Maybe hearing Eros would shed more light on the stylistic change this time around but somehow I doubt it. The absence of Chi and the addition of Sergio Vega changed the bands sound forever. Also the addition of Nick Raskulinecz and 8 string guitars changed how the band sounds on record. For me Diamond Eyes was the Deftones "pop" record. It's very straight forward and to the point songs with a less agressive edge and a broader appeal. Also it comes across as an immensely optimistic record that really showed in the bands mindset at the time. For me it doesn't resonate a couple years later the way the early albums do but it brought the band back into the public eye the most they had been since WP. It was a critical and commercial success and it instilled a new confidence in the band. Personally I feel the ambition on this record wasn't quite realized but it works as an album. To me it works as a bridge between SNW and KNY.
With KNY the band took that work ethic, sound and optimism of DE and really fully realized the potential of the new sound with the new lineup. Unfortunately Swerve City is the weakest album opener for me yet besides Diamond Eyes but the album really takes off and doesn't fail to impress. Romantic Dreams has a very haunting feeling during the verses and I enjoy the chorus even though it may be the weakest moment of an otherwise great song. I enjoy it but I feel the flow of the song completely shifts during the chorus. Some love it and some hate it. For me it keeps things interesting but I can see how some may find it self indulgent on Chino's part. Leathers and Poltergeist flow well into one another and are a shot of adrenaline that echos through the rest of the album on tracks like Gauze and Goon Squad.
Entombed has grown on me immensely. It may be one of my favourite tracks on the album and I find it connects to me on an emotional level. Also Graphic Nature seems to get a bit of a bad rap. It's groovy and has a very interesting and effective vocal delivery. It's bouncy, fun and a bit haunting all at the same time.
Then comes Tempest, which I consider the second weakest song on the album, but still a very good tune. Though Deftones writing "concept" songs is something I'm not terribly into. It doesn't come off as genuine as other parts of the album and that raw genuine emotion of older albums has been dampened. Songs about the apocalypse and time travel are maybe something I could go without the Deftones trying, though the latter pays off much more with Rosemary. This song is expansive, emotional, and beautiful. It's one of my favourite moments on the album and is placed perfectly between two heavy hitters.
The closing track is an interesting experiment in sound for the band and I love the way it opens up in the chorus. This seems to be a trend with the album but is perhaps most well suited here. It doesn't feel like the song taking a left turn when this moment happens but perhaps one could argue that the lack of such changes in the feeling of the song make it a bit boring to some. This isn't the case for me but I could understand that opinion. It isn't one of the best Deftones closing tracks for an album by any stretch but it's a song I enjoy.
Once again this record echos a positivity that reaches some but may fall a bit short for fans of the agressive or dark and dreary Deftones of the past. There are a few moments on the album that call back to that era in a way but it's not the focus by any means. It won't top the connections I have to albums like ST, SNW and ATF but it's a grower and it's currently having an interesting effect on me. I like it and right now I'm just enjoying the ride of being a Deftones fan. With a band that goes through so many stylistic changes, sometimes even the most die hard fan may not personally care for the choices the band makes. Over my lengthy tenure as a Deftones fan, I've been fortunate enough to enjoy the majority of those changes and this is one I can get behind. Only time will tell how this album sticks out in their catalogue and perhaps I'll fall out of love with it someday as I have before but it won't be any time soon.
holy wall of text batman. could you break it into paragraphs? I'd really like to read it but it hurts my eyes the way it is now.
Should read it, it's actually a good review!
How is this miles better than Diamond Eyes? Diamond eyes has more emotion than KNY. And at the end of the day, that's what music is all about. Fuck deftones going through the motions shit.
i really love the album, its hard to rank it because evey deftonesa album is good , but for me goes like this
1. Around the fur
2. Adrenaline
3. KYN tied with St and tied with WP
4. SNW
5. DE
Quote from: Inkblades on Nov 17, 2012, 08:49 PM
Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 17, 2012, 06:20 PM
KNY is just a bunch of random tracks in my opinion.
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Good one.
I'm finding myself liking SNW better since KNY came out...and DE a bit less -but this one was over-played.
Weird.
Quote from: xToxin on Dec 01, 2012, 12:17 PM
How is this miles better than Diamond Eyes? Diamond eyes has more emotion than KNY. And at the end of the day, that's what music is all about. Fuck deftones going through the motions shit.
I disagree. Diamond Eyes feels much more sterile to me. It's purely fun. KNY seems to come from a deeper place and it means a lot more. People interpret things differently I suppose. KNY has much more emotion as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Dec 12, 2012, 12:58 AM
Quote from: xToxin on Dec 01, 2012, 12:17 PM
How is this miles better than Diamond Eyes? Diamond eyes has more emotion than KNY. And at the end of the day, that's what music is all about. Fuck deftones going through the motions shit.
I disagree. Diamond Eyes feels much more sterile to me. It's purely fun. KNY seems to come from a deeper place and it means a lot more. People interpret things differently I suppose. KNY has much more emotion as far as I'm concerned.
i would most definitely disagree with the
QuoteKNY seems to come from a deeper place and it means a lot more
I felt that KNY was MUCH more sincere than diamond eyes. But it's all about how each individual interprets the songs. The subject matter in KNY is much more relevant to my life currently than DE ever was, and I just FELT the album a hell of a lot more. Deftones always seem to releasean album that coincides with whatever is going on in my life. It's why I've stayed drawn to them for so long. DE was the only exception; I felt no connection to it really. Just enjoyed it for what it was: a batch of catchy bangers.
Different strokes, folks.
i think swerve city is getting a bad rap... I think the song has great energy, more life in it than a typical deftones song (most are dark and brooding, not that I dont like that but this from them is refreshing) I think this is the perfect song to open the album, gets you engaged right away...
to me tempest is the weakest track... it builds but never really delivers for me, the song isnt bad just not one of my favorites, I dont seek that track out like I might for others
Graphic Nature > Gauze IMO
I like GN a lot, one of my fav tracks on the Album, classic tones, great chorus "Tell me how you do it? every time you take my knees out~ I'm surprised"
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Dec 12, 2012, 05:49 PM
I felt that KNY was MUCH more sincere than diamond eyes. But it's all about how each individual interprets the songs. The subject matter in KNY is much more relevant to my life currently than DE ever was, and I just FELT the album a hell of a lot more. Deftones always seem to releasean album that coincides with whatever is going on in my life. It's why I've stayed drawn to them for so long. DE was the only exception; I felt no connection to it really. Just enjoyed it for what it was: a batch of catchy bangers.
Different strokes, folks.
THIS. Thank you for saying exactly what I was about to sir.
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Dec 12, 2012, 05:49 PM
I felt that KNY was MUCH more sincere than diamond eyes. But it's all about how each individual interprets the songs. The subject matter in KNY is much more relevant to my life currently than DE ever was, and I just FELT the album a hell of a lot more. Deftones always seem to releasean album that coincides with whatever is going on in my life. It's why I've stayed drawn to them for so long. DE was the only exception; I felt no connection to it really. Just enjoyed it for what it was: a batch of catchy bangers.
Different strokes, folks.
That's actually why I liked DE that much : it felt fresh, especially after SNW which was good but lacked originality, and when it actually was -e.g. Xerces or Pink Cellphone, completely missed. But like I said I'm reconsidering my opinion on that album, it holds a couple of classics -e.g. the final big three of the album.
KNY feels less fresh; but is more classic Tones to me -especially in it second half, starting with Graphic Nature : more moody, dark, depressing -exception made of WHTY.
after a month , this still an amazing album for me, ...remind me the first deftones albums when you heart it top to botton and you didnt skip almos anithing
plus has rosemary that for me is a highlight carrer , ...and really good songs like GN, WHTY , leathers etc etc
this may no be the greatest deftones album ever , but its very high for suree
sorry for my english >:(
KNY 7/10 8)
Did Rocksound not review Koi No Yokan?
Quote from: pinkmaggit69 on Dec 29, 2012, 01:25 AM
Did Rocksound not review Koi No Yokan?
im a real fan dude, that's my review if god said it was 8 we
Argue til tha mourning, lol
I'm asking:
Does anyone know if Rocksound (the magazine) reviewed Koi No Yokan? It is not on their site, but usually it's in the magazine. I remember they gave Diamond Eyes an 8, and gave SNW a 9.
Koi No Yokan
9/10
A very great Deftones album, but not quite their best. I still like Deftones, Around the Fur, and Diamond Eyes better.
I like the heaviness of some tracks, and the emotion of others.
Standout tracks:
Swerve City
Poltergeist
Tempest
Gauze
Here's my track-by-track rev:
Swerve City : I keep falling in love with the ethereal quality of the verse sections and the floating dreamy bassline that holds it together everytime I listen to this track. Probably one of their best opening tracks and contrary to popular opinion, the song's short length is actually well-implemented as it is one of those "get in, blow minds and get out" kind of songs. 4.5/5
Romantic Dreams : I like the atmosphere conveyed by the verse, but the "So I wait to..." part feels detached and tacked on, almost like it was added at the end. The chorus has a very positive, uplifting, un-Deftonesy feel to it, but it's different and I like it. 3.75/5
Leathers : Chino does the half-scream thing here which kind of reminds me of SNW, which is cool and the high-register chorus(es) is(are) something new for me as I've gotten used to the eerily crooned almost "anti"-melodies, but it's not a bad song by any means as a good bit of heaviness is always welcome. 3.5/5
Poltergeist : Speaking of heavy, HOLY SHIT THAT RIFF! It sounds like it could belong on Meshuggah's Nothing and finally, the Around the Fur-esque crooning makes a return. Hands down, the best song on the album. 5/5
Entombed : Not as immediately affecting as the song it aspires to be (Sextape) but it does have all the familiar elements of a softer 'Tones tune and after all the hype surrounding Stef's supposed "dazzling" in this track, the actual tapping part that refers to in the song is actually a bit underwhelming. 3/5
Graphic Nature : That air-piercing opening guitar line sounds like something straight off of White Pony. Overall, a cool song but don't expect anything too adventurous from this track. 3.5/5
Tempest : A grungier take on the Deftones sound but I made the mistake of overplaying this song before I could digest the album as a whole and I can't seem to enjoy it the same way I used to. Solid, nonetheless. 4/5
Gauze : Aesthetically very similar to Graphic Nature but constructed in a more convincing manner and almost has a danceable sort of vibe to it. I can faintly hear some Glassjaw in the verses and the eight string is unleashed once again. 4/5
Rosemary : YES! Songs like this are the reason why Deftones still sound fresh and have managed to stay relevant almost two decades into their career. The "floating in the clouds" quality of the chorus is breath-takingly incredible only to culminate into an explosion of downtuned shuggah riffs and..DAt outro! 5/5
Goon Squad : It's definitely heavy and the Faith No More-inspired chorus is a nice touch but it's just too simplistic and it lacks a certain emotional edge that was present in tracks like Rats! or Bloody Cape. An extra pattern or two would have helped the song and I really wish the 'tones would experiment with song structures a little more in their future outings. Still quite enjoyable though. 3.75/5
What Happened To You? : Possibly the most positive-sounding, upbeat song in the entire Deftones discog. The repeated battering of that high note that floats under the "sky is falling down" parts works so well. A great way to end the album. 4.5/5
Overall, a more fleshed-out and progressive album than the collection of singles that Diamond Eyes was but it's not without it's flaws. Deftones have still not quite evolved from the rawer, grittier, more emotional sound of ATF or S/T and have instead put that on the back-burner and are focusing on this new direction, which is not a bad thing but I would love for them to pick up where they left off.
Quote from: dopeybanana on Dec 30, 2012, 07:44 PM
Here's my track-by-track rev:
Swerve City : I keep falling in love with the ethereal quality of the verse sections and the floating dreamy bassline that holds it together everytime I listen to this track. Probably one of their best opening tracks and contrary to popular opinion, the song's short length is actually well-implemented as it is one of those "get in, blow minds and get out" kind of songs. 4.5/5
Romantic Dreams : I like the atmosphere conveyed by the verse, but the "So I wait to..." part feels detached and tacked on, almost like it was added at the end. The chorus has a very positive, uplifting, un-Deftonesy feel to it, but it's different and I like it. 3.75/5
Leathers : Chino does the half-scream thing here which kind of reminds me of SNW, which is cool and the high-register chorus(es) is(are) something new for me as I've gotten used to the eerily crooned almost "anti"-melodies, but it's not a bad song by any means as a good bit of heaviness is always welcome. 3.5/5
Poltergeist : Speaking of heavy, HOLY SHIT THAT RIFF! It sounds like it could belong on Meshuggah's Nothing and finally, the Around the Fur-esque crooning makes a return. Hands down, the best song on the album. 5/5
Entombed : Not as immediately affecting as the song it aspires to be (Sextape) but it does have all the familiar elements of a softer 'Tones tune and after all the hype surrounding Stef's supposed "dazzling" in this track, the actual tapping part that refers to in the song is actually a bit underwhelming. 3/5
Graphic Nature : That air-piercing opening guitar line sounds like something straight off of White Pony. Overall, a cool song but don't expect anything too adventurous from this track. 3.5/5
Tempest : A grungier take on the Deftones sound but I made the mistake of overplaying this song before I could digest the album as a whole and I can't seem to enjoy it the same way I used to. Solid, nonetheless. 4/5
Gauze : Aesthetically very similar to Graphic Nature but constructed in a more convincing manner and almost has a danceable sort of vibe to it. I can faintly hear some Glassjaw in the verses and the eight string is unleashed once again. 4/5
Rosemary : YES! Songs like this are the reason why Deftones still sound fresh and have managed to stay relevant almost two decades into their career. The "floating in the clouds" quality of the chorus is breath-takingly incredible only to culminate into an explosion of downtuned shuggah riffs and..DAt outro! 5/5
Goon Squad : It's definitely heavy and the Faith No More-inspired chorus is a nice touch but it's just too simplistic and it lacks a certain emotional edge that was present in tracks like Rats! or Bloody Cape. An extra pattern or two would have helped the song and I really wish the 'tones would experiment with song structures a little more in their future outings. Still quite enjoyable though. 3.75/5
What Happened To You? : Possibly the most positive-sounding, upbeat song in the entire Deftones discog. The repeated battering of that high note that floats under the "sky is falling down" parts works so well. A great way to end the album. 4.5/5
Overall, a more fleshed-out and progressive album than the collection of singles that Diamond Eyes was but it's not without it's flaws. Deftones have still not quite evolved from the rawer, grittier, more emotional sound of ATF or S/T and have instead put that on the back-burner and are focusing on this new direction, which is not a bad thing but I would love for them to pick up where they left off.
Agree with the part in Romantic Dreams... It does sound pasted on but I think it is supposed to reflect the nature of the song with the dreams aspect and how they shift. Could be wrong.
entombed sucks. poltergeist sucks. gauze sucks. romantic dreams got boring. graphic nature, is boring.
listen to Rosemary, Goon Squad, Tempest. rest of the record is quite frankly forgettable
Quote from: ghettovaquero on Dec 31, 2012, 05:20 PM
entombed sucks. poltergeist sucks. gauze sucks. romantic dreams got boring. graphic nature, is boring.
listen to Rosemary, Goon Squad, Tempest. rest of the record is quite frankly forgettable
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Quote from: domaug on Jan 01, 2013, 07:44 PM
Quote from: ghettovaquero on Dec 31, 2012, 05:20 PM
entombed sucks. poltergeist sucks. gauze sucks. romantic dreams got boring. graphic nature, is boring.
listen to Rosemary, Goon Squad, Tempest. rest of the record is quite frankly forgettable
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it sooo wrong lol
Here's my review if it matters to anyone:
I've been listening to KNY for last couple of weeks, I didn't have the time to listen to it carefully due to my non-stop, 24/7, moderator job around here...ya know it's life.
Adrenaline, ATF & WP are perfect records so after all these years I knew the Deftones would not be able to come even closer to such perfection.
KNY is Leathers, Poltergeist, Rosemary, Tempest and that's it. The album is full of filler songs, not even the ones I've just mentioned are even close to the worst tracks in their first three records (if there are bad songs at all in those records).
Yes I have the balls to stand up, as a die-hard fan, and say that I don't like the album and I think that they need to change something if they want to keep with the old school fans. Yes you can come and say the band's getting older and they need to change their music and stuff, yes you're right, I loved what they did with WP, but one thing is going experimental and giving your best on what you're doing, another is what they did, which was just take some fillers and there you go a new album. I can compare this to dredg's chuckles...but know what? If I ever had to choose between chuckles and KNY I'd choose chuckles, this way you can feel what I feel about this album.
I loved how Stef sounded with his raw guitars, but now he plays some kick ass 99 strings guitars that sound like the same in every song. I loved how Chino rapped, whispered, screamed, moaned, but now he seems to be influenced by some sort of Kate Perry virus or something. Abe is Abe period, Frank and Sergio go with the flow.
These are 5 talented musicians, they can go wherever their label and their minds lead them to, and with KNY the were leaded to the worst album of their career. I can live with that, I will listen to it again, I will skip some songs, I forgive and yes I won't forget how great their previous records were.
Maybe they are getting new fans with this 'so so' style, but if you are an old school fan you know what I mean, and I fuckin mean it. Let's hope for better days ahead..
Deftones 4 ever. Amen.
Picks up where ATF left off for me. Probably a bit stupid to say that.
I see alot of the old school fans saying they don't like KNY which is fair enough they're allowed their opinions but I think alot of them need to realize it's 2013 and if Deftones had stuck to the Chino rapping and screaming formula they would have faded into obscurity like the other nu-metal bands, the fact they have achieved such longevity is amazing and they have always managed to do their own thing and somehow still remain relevant. I think it's just a case of the band members and some old fans growing in different directions I doubt they're ever going back to the old style and i think if they did it wouldn't be the same it would just be a bunch of 40 yr olds complaining about teenage problems, adrenaline and those early albums are magic because they captured what it's like to be a teen but at some point they have to move on otherwise the music becomes insincere and stale. I personally feel really lucky because I connect in some with all their albums I think as-long they're enjoying making music then they should keep doing it just because you don't get the new stuff it doesn't mean it's irrelevant there's a whole new generation of fans getting their lives changed by these albums I'm just glad some form of non pop is getting through to this generation.
As someone who 'backed into' the discography (first actual purchase was ATF due to most familiarity) but quickly listened through to all albums in original order. A few EPs and assorted stuff I'm yet to pick up but I EAGERLY awaited KNY after hearing a couple of tracks. Played DE a *lot* both before and after buying it, a great album.
I really love the band's progression and gradual inclusion of elements of other rock subgenres. Their earlier sound hooked me and it grows as I grow. So many references to other styles, bands and themes, complex music for complex times. And how can you not love the album simply for the fact that its nadir is that mesmerising masterpiece Rosemary? They played it live last night, I closed my eyes and let it wash over me. Incredible.
I accept there'll be people who only ever like their earlier work and that's very understandable, I'm heavily invested in electronica and for me there's a parallel with some artists and genres like dubstep. (love the sound from 2004-2008, but too much of the brostep influence slowly crept in and now the vast majority of dubstep you hear sounds terrible. However the partygoers seem to lap that shit up like it's chocolate ice cream so who am I to say it's not as good as earlier stuff?).
Where DE is the album of mediocrity (not one bad song, not one worldclass), KNY is one of heights and lows. There are some amazing songs like Romantic Dreams, Leathers but also the most boring and awful songs (Goon Squad for exp) ever made by Deftones.
how is goon squad boring and awful? atmospheric intro, check, explodes, check, swaggy chorus, check, vocals where chino actually screams and not shouts like the rest of the album, check
best song on kny
Quote from: Penicks on Feb 24, 2013, 05:25 PM
how is goon squad boring and awful? atmospheric intro, check, explodes, check, swaggy chorus, check, vocals where chino actually screams and not shouts like the rest of the album, check
best song on kny
this
after listening to this album for a couple of months and letting it sink in, i can still say: poltergiest is the best song they've written since buffalo/finger of death. royal and prince are great songs too, but this one just kills it. still getting chills from it, i'm feeling like frosty the snowman everytime im blasting it
Quote from: jez rox kaluha on Nov 17, 2012, 08:13 AM
if there's one thing KNY accomplished it made me appreciate White Pony even more. HUUUUUUGE disappointment. For all the talk that this band wants to push the envelope & be more daring & experimental, they seemed to have forgotten that it needs to happen naturally. Trying to be different is beneath a band that made its name by being different by simply existing
Even though I don't agree with the idea you're trying to expose, I just freaking love that last sentence.
Am I right in thinking that neither Pitchfork nor The AV Club has reviewed KNY yet? It came out last year, but both sites seem to be sleeping on it, and they both cover artists much more niche than Deftones.
The AV Club reviewed DE favourably, although Pitchfork has been ignoring them since s/t (which they gave one of their terrible concept reviews).
I don't remember seeing one from them and I don't care lol, Deftones is probably to mainstream for those hipsters, I don't give any weight to what they say after seeing some of their reviews, Anthony Fantano did an good one though, I know he's seen as a hipster but I like his style he's very fair he gives credit where it's due and doesn't rip into an album for it flaws it's like a friend telling you what they think not some uppity music journalist trying show off their extensive vocabulary lol
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Mar 19, 2013, 10:12 AM
Anthony Fantano did an good one though, I know he's seen as a hipster but I like his style he's very fair he gives credit where it's due
Agreed.
Does anyone know how many albums KNY has sold so far?
Still love this album. One of my favourites now.
I loved it at first, but that feeling wore off pretty quickly for me. It did make me go back through the rest of the albums again, though, so I'm sure by the time I get back to it I'll like it again.
I don't live in the world of opinions. I live in a world of fact, as a matter of fact. The fact is Koi No Yokan and Diamond Eyes are Deftones best albums in every way. the opinion is it's not your favorite, or that it's not good.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 09, 2013, 05:20 PM
I don't live in the world of opinions. I live in a world of fact, as a matter of fact. The fact is Koi No Yokan and Diamond Eyes are Deftones best albums in every way. the opinion is it's not your favorite, or that it's not good.
this guy
Diamond Eyes and KNY have become my least favorite Deftones albums.
They're not bad, but there's zero emotion compared to the other albums.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 09, 2013, 05:20 PM
I don't live in the world of opinions. I live in a world of fact, as a matter of fact. The fact is Koi No Yokan and Diamond Eyes are Deftones best albums in every way. the opinion is it's not your favorite, or that it's not good.
Piss off.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 09, 2013, 05:20 PM
I don't live in the world of opinions. I live in a world of fact, as a matter of fact. The fact is Koi No Yokan and Diamond Eyes are Deftones best albums in every way. the opinion is it's not your favorite, or that it's not good.
Man i know why you feel me...you are awesome,keep it real.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 09, 2013, 05:20 PM
I don't live in the world of opinions. I live in a world of fact, as a matter of fact. The fact is Koi No Yokan and Diamond Eyes are Deftones best albums in every way. the opinion is it's not your favorite, or that it's not good.
How self centred do you have to be to confuse own opinion for fact?
Zero emotion? I'd say it has overwhelming emotion. Everyone in the band is at they're A game, especially Chino and Stephen, did you guys hear Stephen's riffs and tone on this record and diamond eyes? He's finally beat James Hetfield for best Metal Rhythm guitarist ever. *EET FUK*
I mean damn I could talk all day long about why these last 2 deftones records are the best, I mean I really don't know what you're looking for in music if you disagree. Like I said that doesn't mean it has to be your favorite and all that, I'm saying how well put together it is in every aspect. I can't even listen to other tones records now.
lol wut
meat never laughs, he only cries.
Quote from: only pieces remain on May 10, 2013, 06:02 PM
meat never laughs, he only cries.
lol ya I was just joking, watching Bull Durham.
KNY doesn't leave a lasting impression, only solid song on there is Rosemary the rest are ok at best. It sucks because i wanted to love this album
Quote from: lostcancer on May 13, 2013, 04:10 AM
KNY doesn't leave a lasting impression, only solid song on there is Rosemary the rest are ok at best. It sucks because i wanted to love this album
Thankfully you don't work for rolling stone or the rest of em you depressed motherfucker.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 13, 2013, 04:15 AM
Quote from: lostcancer on May 13, 2013, 04:10 AM
KNY doesn't leave a lasting impression, only solid song on there is Rosemary the rest are ok at best. It sucks because i wanted to love this album
Thankfully you don't work for rolling stone or the rest of em you depressed motherfucker.
SwervecityUSA is a pink faggot
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on May 13, 2013, 05:00 AM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 13, 2013, 04:15 AM
Quote from: lostcancer on May 13, 2013, 04:10 AM
KNY doesn't leave a lasting impression, only solid song on there is Rosemary the rest are ok at best. It sucks because i wanted to love this album
Thankfully you don't work for rolling stone or the rest of em you depressed motherfucker.
SwervecityUSA is a pink faggot
Hey Jerry, be a little less original please. if you're going to jerk lostcancer, don't call someone else a faget when we just saw you slurp all that cum load up in the streets.
Actually, I just took it all up my ass ^_^
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 13, 2013, 06:22 AM
Hey Jerry, be a little less original please. if you're going to jerk lostcancer, don't call someone else a faget when we just saw you slurp all that cum load up in the streets.
Haha I love how that was supposed to offend you, when in reality it probably gave you a semi.
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on May 13, 2013, 11:41 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 13, 2013, 06:22 AM
Hey Jerry, be a little less original please. if you're going to jerk lostcancer, don't call someone else a faget when we just saw you slurp all that cum load up in the streets.
Haha I love how that was supposed to offend you, when in reality it probably gave you a semi.
That's really all you children like to do on here is talk about cock. does anybody like the Deftones?
So the guy telling someone they slurp up cum from the street proceeds to call someone else childish for mentioning cock... You're not doing yourself any favours here dude.
SwerveCityUSA, the new names on this board just keep getting better and better. What a clown.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 13, 2013, 04:15 AM
Quote from: lostcancer on May 13, 2013, 04:10 AM
KNY doesn't leave a lasting impression, only solid song on there is Rosemary the rest are ok at best. It sucks because i wanted to love this album
Thankfully you don't work for rolling stone or the rest of em you depressed motherfucker.
The only thing depressing is KNY and you taking my comment to heart
I like KNY but I can understand why some people don't. It's certainly not their best album. I don't get a stick up my ass because someone doesn't like it though.
Quote from: lostcancer on May 14, 2013, 01:03 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 13, 2013, 04:15 AM
Quote from: lostcancer on May 13, 2013, 04:10 AM
KNY doesn't leave a lasting impression, only solid song on there is Rosemary the rest are ok at best. It sucks because i wanted to love this album
Thankfully you don't work for rolling stone or the rest of em you depressed motherfucker.
The only thing depressing is KNY and you taking my comment to heart
how do you like deftones if you can't get anything out of that album?
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 14, 2013, 02:02 PM
I like KNY but I can understand why some people don't. It's certainly not their best album. I don't get a stick up my ass because someone doesn't like it though.
It is their best album actually. And here you go again talking about taking it in the butt and so forth, that's every word that comes out of your alls mouth.
how old are you?
Quote from: only pieces remain on May 14, 2013, 07:43 PM
how old are you?
you all are stuck on pre-Self Titled material, which is great stuff, but I'm not a teenager anymore, I want maturity in my music. real blues.
I think self titled and SNW are their best, in fact I think Adrenaline is easily their worst. KNY is nowhere near their best. It's a good album and I do love the majority of it but some parts are a bit sterile feeling and lack the emotion and power of the white pony through SNW era. Please grow up a little. Your opinion is not fact and it only holds as much weight as the opinion of everyone else here. It is in no way their most technical, ambitious, mature or experimental album by any stretch in my opinion BUT poltergeist will go down as one of my favourite deftones songs ever while swerve city will be my most reviled for years to come.
I think it's interesting when people phrase their opinions like they are stating facts. Some people might consider KNY to be the best, some might like Adrenaline the most. It's just opinions, nobody is "right" or "wrong".
No enough of that, diamond eyes and Koi No Yokan are their best, that's not opinion.
The first time I listened to KNY, on my Walkman no less (dont judge me ok), I was blown away. I just thought, this stuff's REAL. Like real real.
Rosemary is definetley the one I dig most sound wise (if that makes sense?) and then Leathers for the lyrics. I thought it would have been cool if they named "What Happened To You?" RX King instead 'cause of the slightly similar drum pattern. White Pony throwback :o
Gosh darnit Deftones, I love you.
Shut the fuck up, SwerveCityUSA!
Swervecity is a troll no doubt, btw check your PM's
you don't even care about the music. hater rage.
Nah you're right, I just pretend to like deftones because nobody really knows about them, I'm a hipster you see.
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on May 15, 2013, 01:06 AM
Nah you're right, I just pretend to like deftones because nobody really knows about them, I'm a hipster you see.
Back off my posts man.
Then don't make a ridiculous claim and not expect someone to repute then you fucking gimpshit.
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on May 15, 2013, 02:18 AM
Then don't make a ridiculous claim and not expect someone to repute then you fucking gimpshit.
dude I don't really want to have to make a reply to your hatred bullshit, seriously, just leave my shit alone.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 14, 2013, 10:36 PM
No enough of that, diamond eyes and Koi No Yokan are their best, that's not opinion.
You need to lay off that "it's a fact, not opinion" bullshit. Stop the trolling.
This is a warning.....
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Quote from: theis on May 15, 2013, 06:23 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 14, 2013, 10:36 PM
No enough of that, diamond eyes and Koi No Yokan are their best, that's not opinion.
You need to lay off that "it's a fact, not opinion" bullshit. Stop the trolling.
This is a warning.....
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No, I can have my own opinion too and state it as fact. Bitch Made.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 15, 2013, 06:41 PM
Quote from: theis on May 15, 2013, 06:23 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 14, 2013, 10:36 PM
No enough of that, diamond eyes and Koi No Yokan are their best, that's not opinion.
You need to lay off that "it's a fact, not opinion" bullshit. Stop the trolling.
This is a warning.....
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No, I can have my own opinion too and state it as fact. Bitch Made.
You certainly can state your opinion, but in no way does that make it a fact.
Enough of does life imitate art or does art imitate life.
My Review, Deftones-adrenaline,ATF,white pony,s/t,snw are the greatest albums ever,their music gave way to a new generation, they are credited with being one of the most influentional and greatest alternative groups ever. thats what i would say exactly if i was drunk,but thankfully i am not, Diamond Eyes and Koi no Yokan the best records.
If you see hot topic scene kids claiming that they are so hardcore because they scream their heads off to "my own summer" or try kills a girl as she bathes by way of electrocution because they love "Digital Bath". Once in your house push them down a flight all fucking stairs, if they survive the fall,punch and kick them in the balls and face repeatedly until they beg for mercy, attempt to help them up but then punch them,repeat until the fag has knocked unconscious, then sell their body to the black market, when they awake,they will have no kidneys then finish them off by forcing them to drink twenty bottles of water. SwerveCityUSA i like your style and of the aperfectcircle
cliché time:
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.---- Voltaire
I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. --Voltaire
opinion or fact? or troll? you decide.
Now see a true review by Chino Moreno and Abe about koi no yokan
Deftones on Exclaim! Aggressive Tendencies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MBqCtyPp3A#ws)
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 15, 2013, 06:41 PM
No, I can have my own opinion too and state it as fact. Bitch Made.
FUCK OFF
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Quote from: BillyNo.9 on May 16, 2013, 02:47 AM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 15, 2013, 06:41 PM
No, I can have my own opinion too and state it as fact. Bitch Made.
FUCK OFF
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keep playing internet games cocksucker, go listen to dubstep.
Friends, you are witnessing the bitter, boring end of the Deftones. Our beloved band will not crumble due to in-fighting, disagreements, artistic differences, or anything that might actually inspire creativity and emotion. Rather they're suffering from the exact opposite – they're mildly happy, reluctantly complacent, and frankly, bored. You can hear it in the tired lyrics of a once-mastermind trying to imitate his former self. Stephen hasn't had an interesting riff in years. Even Abe's drumming, while still hard, lacks the creativity it once paraded naturally.
This tired serenity comes through in everything – the interviews, full with identical phrases and response ("we're capturing a moment in time"); played-out setlists, robotic performances; and an overall lack of excitement. And even though this sounds superficial, imagery is important, and this is the first record in which their physical appearances have not changed a bit. They look identical to Diamond Eyes cycle – the DE/KNY eras are basically identical in terms of sound and image. They even used the same producer, photographer, and used his FATHER for the artwork! It's clear they went with the easiest, safest options – the paths of least resistance, and least reward from an artistic perspective. And this is all because their priorities have changed.
The beautiful thing about the Deftones is they were an unintended success. They didn't start a band to be rock stars and to make a living. They were in a band because they were friends who enjoyed music. This remained the foundation for years, until recently. They're all pushing 40 now, most have kids, some have alimony. These are the burdens of growing the fuck up. While I'd love to see the band in the prior, raw state, it's selfish and unrealistic.
Koi No Yokan, which, like Diamond Eyes, was treated as a 9-5, was nothing more than an attempt to remain relevant. Trust me – if they didn't HAVE to write this record, they would not have. But nobody's going to book them for shows without a new record to promise some interest and ticket sales. The record becomes a necessary evil to promote touring, which has become a necessary evil to support certain lifestyles. At this point, what other choice do they have? Any other career movie is extremely risky. Risk literally cannot be afforded (yet), especially when there is more juice to squeeze from this fruit.
They also can't afford to write music when they feel like it. That's why they ditched Terry – because he understood how to get the best performances out of them: an utter lack of discipline. "Let it come naturally" – the obvious mantra. Nick couldn't give a crap about that kind of stuff. Nick has one job – to get the record done. Terry can get an 8/10 record out of the band, but it will take 3 years. Nick can get a 6/10 in six months. Which option makes more sense? And which one sounds better to mgmt/label – obviously the moneymaker. Reality sets in, this is what we have.
"The shade is a tool, a device, a savior." Yeah, swap "shade" out with "album," and here we are: Koi No Yokan. 1.5/10 for Leathers and the decent verse of Goon Squad.
Friends you are here to behold and see the beauty of the best band that ever graced the earth both in terms of style, time and place, output, live shows and the sound of the music most importantly. The deftones being true children of the Bad Brains and the most high god Jah Rastafari emperor Haile Selassie I, Jesus Christ have prevailed in the most abundant way, even after the sacrifice of their spiritual guide departed this physical realm and went on high to give them spiritual tidings from that special place we all wish to attain.
Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan, includes in it not one bad track and enters into the era that we all begged for with each release from a young group who was surely to mature into seniority. the live shows are more cerebral, the songs are more powerful, even adding Jazz improve stylings to the old material, begging you that you may love the past right here and now.
The Deftones were always a band that was meant to be, they were meant to come and be the band that every one wished to be in and wished to be, most of all everyone wants to create each song and album and never more so than now today. They are here to break down barriers. Chino's vocals sore pop sentiments and soul melodies throughout each track and he still screams with the aggression of the music, making you think how can he still do that? Stephen's riffs are so full of body and movement, he's carving and creating a craft not truly known yet to man, how can something so heavy be so melodic? He makes you think shredding is for the weak and say where is the song in solos? right here with the riff is the answer. "Thou shalt believe in the riff."
Now through life experience they have matured into the perfect band they always were to become, the attainment of perfection has been attained. Back to back triumphant releases of perfectly planned and thought out albums, this band could never let down and not impress. Koi No Yokan is above opinion, it is a piece of heart and soul to be enjoyed by those who have.
Go and see them now, in there prime, in this beautiful history to be regretted if missed. - In the spirit of Chi.
can't tell who's joking, so how bout this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPpDyIJdasg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPpDyIJdasg)
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 04:45 AM
Koi No Yokan is above opinion, it is a piece of heart and soul to be enjoyed by those who have.
Go and see them now, in there prime, in this beautiful history to be regretted if missed. - In the spirit of Chi.
(http://i.imgur.com/Ay29K.jpg)
Thank You Friend..
Quote from: musteatbrains on May 16, 2013, 04:12 AM
Friends, you are witnessing the bitter, boring end of the Deftones. Our beloved band will not crumble due to in-fighting, disagreements, artistic differences, or anything that might actually inspire creativity and emotion. Rather they're suffering from the exact opposite – they're mildly happy, reluctantly complacent, and frankly, bored. You can hear it in the tired lyrics of a once-mastermind trying to imitate his former self. Stephen hasn't had an interesting riff in years. Even Abe's drumming, while still hard, lacks the creativity it once paraded naturally.
This tired serenity comes through in everything – the interviews, full with identical phrases and response ("we're capturing a moment in time"); played-out setlists, robotic performances; and an overall lack of excitement. And even though this sounds superficial, imagery is important, and this is the first record in which their physical appearances have not changed a bit. They look identical to Diamond Eyes cycle – the DE/KNY eras are basically identical in terms of sound and image. They even used the same producer, photographer, and used his FATHER for the artwork! It's clear they went with the easiest, safest options – the paths of least resistance, and least reward from an artistic perspective. And this is all because their priorities have changed.
look! a pessimist fan!
believe what you want to believe, man
LOL, Deftones fans are dumb as shit. Sometimes I wonder what percentage of Deftones fans have graduated from High School.
Quote from: musteatbrains on May 16, 2013, 04:12 AM
Friends, you are witnessing the bitter, boring end of the Deftones. Our beloved band will not crumble due to in-fighting, disagreements, artistic differences, or anything that might actually inspire creativity and emotion. Rather they're suffering from the exact opposite – they're mildly happy, reluctantly complacent, and frankly, bored. You can hear it in the tired lyrics of a once-mastermind trying to imitate his former self. Stephen hasn't had an interesting riff in years. Even Abe's drumming, while still hard, lacks the creativity it once paraded naturally.
This tired serenity comes through in everything – the interviews, full with identical phrases and response ("we're capturing a moment in time"); played-out setlists, robotic performances; and an overall lack of excitement. And even though this sounds superficial, imagery is important, and this is the first record in which their physical appearances have not changed a bit. They look identical to Diamond Eyes cycle – the DE/KNY eras are basically identical in terms of sound and image. They even used the same producer, photographer, and used his FATHER for the artwork! It's clear they went with the easiest, safest options – the paths of least resistance, and least reward from an artistic perspective. And this is all because their priorities have changed.
The beautiful thing about the Deftones is they were an unintended success. They didn't start a band to be rock stars and to make a living. They were in a band because they were friends who enjoyed music. This remained the foundation for years, until recently. They're all pushing 40 now, most have kids, some have alimony. These are the burdens of growing the fuck up. While I'd love to see the band in the prior, raw state, it's selfish and unrealistic.
Koi No Yokan, which, like Diamond Eyes, was treated as a 9-5, was nothing more than an attempt to remain relevant. Trust me – if they didn't HAVE to write this record, they would not have. But nobody's going to book them for shows without a new record to promise some interest and ticket sales. The record becomes a necessary evil to promote touring, which has become a necessary evil to support certain lifestyles. At this point, what other choice do they have? Any other career movie is extremely risky. Risk literally cannot be afforded (yet), especially when there is more juice to squeeze from this fruit.
They also can't afford to write music when they feel like it. That's why they ditched Terry – because he understood how to get the best performances out of them: an utter lack of discipline. "Let it come naturally" – the obvious mantra. Nick couldn't give a crap about that kind of stuff. Nick has one job – to get the record done. Terry can get an 8/10 record out of the band, but it will take 3 years. Nick can get a 6/10 in six months. Which option makes more sense? And which one sounds better to mgmt/label – obviously the moneymaker. Reality sets in, this is what we have.
"The shade is a tool, a device, a savior." Yeah, swap "shade" out with "album," and here we are: Koi No Yokan. 1.5/10 for Leathers and the decent verse of Goon Squad.
(http://i.imgur.com/47bBPfn.gif)
Quote from: rainnyx4 on May 16, 2013, 07:46 AM
LOL, Deftones fans are dumb as shit. Sometimes I wonder what percentage of Deftones fans have graduated from High School.
This.
And wow, hating on the band for being happy. Selfish pricks.
Quote from: Penicks on May 16, 2013, 03:59 PM
Quote from: musteatbrains on May 16, 2013, 04:12 AM
Friends, you are witnessing the bitter, boring end of the Deftones. Our beloved band will not crumble due to in-fighting, disagreements, artistic differences, or anything that might actually inspire creativity and emotion. Rather they're suffering from the exact opposite – they're mildly happy, reluctantly complacent, and frankly, bored. You can hear it in the tired lyrics of a once-mastermind trying to imitate his former self. Stephen hasn't had an interesting riff in years. Even Abe's drumming, while still hard, lacks the creativity it once paraded naturally.
This tired serenity comes through in everything – the interviews, full with identical phrases and response ("we're capturing a moment in time"); played-out setlists, robotic performances; and an overall lack of excitement. And even though this sounds superficial, imagery is important, and this is the first record in which their physical appearances have not changed a bit. They look identical to Diamond Eyes cycle – the DE/KNY eras are basically identical in terms of sound and image. They even used the same producer, photographer, and used his FATHER for the artwork! It's clear they went with the easiest, safest options – the paths of least resistance, and least reward from an artistic perspective. And this is all because their priorities have changed.
The beautiful thing about the Deftones is they were an unintended success. They didn't start a band to be rock stars and to make a living. They were in a band because they were friends who enjoyed music. This remained the foundation for years, until recently. They're all pushing 40 now, most have kids, some have alimony. These are the burdens of growing the fuck up. While I'd love to see the band in the prior, raw state, it's selfish and unrealistic.
Koi No Yokan, which, like Diamond Eyes, was treated as a 9-5, was nothing more than an attempt to remain relevant. Trust me – if they didn't HAVE to write this record, they would not have. But nobody's going to book them for shows without a new record to promise some interest and ticket sales. The record becomes a necessary evil to promote touring, which has become a necessary evil to support certain lifestyles. At this point, what other choice do they have? Any other career movie is extremely risky. Risk literally cannot be afforded (yet), especially when there is more juice to squeeze from this fruit.
They also can't afford to write music when they feel like it. That's why they ditched Terry – because he understood how to get the best performances out of them: an utter lack of discipline. "Let it come naturally" – the obvious mantra. Nick couldn't give a crap about that kind of stuff. Nick has one job – to get the record done. Terry can get an 8/10 record out of the band, but it will take 3 years. Nick can get a 6/10 in six months. Which option makes more sense? And which one sounds better to mgmt/label – obviously the moneymaker. Reality sets in, this is what we have.
"The shade is a tool, a device, a savior." Yeah, swap "shade" out with "album," and here we are: Koi No Yokan. 1.5/10 for Leathers and the decent verse of Goon Squad.
(http://i.imgur.com/47bBPfn.gif)
Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing?
Yup, go and listen Linkin Park and Papa Roach. They are doing his best.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 04:45 AM
Friends you are here to behold and see the beauty of the best band that ever graced the earth both in terms of style, time and place, output, live shows and the sound of the music most importantly. The deftones being true children of the Bad Brains and the most high god Jah Rastafari emperor Haile Selassie I, Jesus Christ have prevailed in the most abundant way, even after the sacrifice of their spiritual guide departed this physical realm and went on high to give them spiritual tidings from that special place we all wish to attain.
Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan, includes in it not one bad track and enters into the era that we all begged for with each release from a young group who was surely to mature into seniority. the live shows are more cerebral, the songs are more powerful, even adding Jazz improve stylings to the old material, begging you that you may love the past right here and now.
The Deftones were always a band that was meant to be, they were meant to come and be the band that every one wished to be in and wished to be, most of all everyone wants to create each song and album and never more so than now today. They are here to break down barriers. Chino's vocals sore pop sentiments and soul melodies throughout each track and he still screams with the aggression of the music, making you think how can he still do that? Stephen's riffs are so full of body and movement, he's carving and creating a craft not truly known yet to man, how can something so heavy be so melodic? He makes you think shredding is for the weak and say where is the song in solos? right here with the riff is the answer. "Thou shalt believe in the riff."
Now through life experience they have matured into the perfect band they always were to become, the attainment of perfection has been attained. Back to back triumphant releases of perfectly planned and thought out albums, this band could never let down and not impress. Koi No Yokan is above opinion, it is a piece of heart and soul to be enjoyed by those who have.
Go and see them now, in there prime, in this beautiful history to be regretted if missed. - In the spirit of Chi.
This is the most inane thing I have ever read. At least the other guy's statement is somewhat well-reasoned. Yours is just a bunch of meaningless phrases.
Quote from: rainnyx4 on May 16, 2013, 07:46 AM
LOL, Deftones fans are dumb as shit. Sometimes I wonder what percentage of Deftones fans have graduated from High School.
Quote from: nicklav on May 16, 2013, 07:24 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 04:45 AM
Friends you are here to behold and see the beauty of the best band that ever graced the earth both in terms of style, time and place, output, live shows and the sound of the music most importantly. The deftones being true children of the Bad Brains and the most high god Jah Rastafari emperor Haile Selassie I, Jesus Christ have prevailed in the most abundant way, even after the sacrifice of their spiritual guide departed this physical realm and went on high to give them spiritual tidings from that special place we all wish to attain.
Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan, includes in it not one bad track and enters into the era that we all begged for with each release from a young group who was surely to mature into seniority. the live shows are more cerebral, the songs are more powerful, even adding Jazz improve stylings to the old material, begging you that you may love the past right here and now.
The Deftones were always a band that was meant to be, they were meant to come and be the band that every one wished to be in and wished to be, most of all everyone wants to create each song and album and never more so than now today. They are here to break down barriers. Chino's vocals sore pop sentiments and soul melodies throughout each track and he still screams with the aggression of the music, making you think how can he still do that? Stephen's riffs are so full of body and movement, he's carving and creating a craft not truly known yet to man, how can something so heavy be so melodic? He makes you think shredding is for the weak and say where is the song in solos? right here with the riff is the answer. "Thou shalt believe in the riff."
Now through life experience they have matured into the perfect band they always were to become, the attainment of perfection has been attained. Back to back triumphant releases of perfectly planned and thought out albums, this band could never let down and not impress. Koi No Yokan is above opinion, it is a piece of heart and soul to be enjoyed by those who have.
Go and see them now, in there prime, in this beautiful history to be regretted if missed. - In the spirit of Chi.
This is the most inane thing I have ever read. At least the other guy's statement is somewhat well-reasoned. Yours is just a bunch of meaningless phrases.
The current state of logic stems from complete illogic.
If I were to find a forum that hated my favorite band I surely came to the right place.
I stopped reading after "Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan, includes in it not one bad track"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I don't think either has any bad tracks to be honest. There are tracks I like less, but none that I dislike. However, an album not having a bad song doesn't necessarily mean it's the best, that also depends on how high the highs are.
Loving a band doesn't mean you have to love EVERYTHING they've ever done. I love Deftones. I'm an obsessive collector, have 3 deftones tattoos with a Chi portrait coming soon, have at least 7 Deftones shirts, 3 hoodies, a windbreaker and various other merch and my friends often tell me I'm unnaturally obsessed but I can admit they have some bad material. The brilliant material more than makes up for it though. No band is infalible and though Deftones are my all time favourite band and have been for 14 years, they're not The Beatles.
Between the fanboys who refuse to believe some material has been lack luster (of which there isn't much) and the Chino groupies on Facebook who basically ruin the vibe of shows with their "I love you Chino, you're so sexy" outbursts, it's not the band I'm ashamed of, it's their fan base.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 08:33 PM
Quote from: nicklav on May 16, 2013, 07:24 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 04:45 AM
Friends you are here to behold and see the beauty of the best band that ever graced the earth both in terms of style, time and place, output, live shows and the sound of the music most importantly. The deftones being true children of the Bad Brains and the most high god Jah Rastafari emperor Haile Selassie I, Jesus Christ have prevailed in the most abundant way, even after the sacrifice of their spiritual guide departed this physical realm and went on high to give them spiritual tidings from that special place we all wish to attain.
Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan, includes in it not one bad track and enters into the era that we all begged for with each release from a young group who was surely to mature into seniority. the live shows are more cerebral, the songs are more powerful, even adding Jazz improve stylings to the old material, begging you that you may love the past right here and now.
The Deftones were always a band that was meant to be, they were meant to come and be the band that every one wished to be in and wished to be, most of all everyone wants to create each song and album and never more so than now today. They are here to break down barriers. Chino's vocals sore pop sentiments and soul melodies throughout each track and he still screams with the aggression of the music, making you think how can he still do that? Stephen's riffs are so full of body and movement, he's carving and creating a craft not truly known yet to man, how can something so heavy be so melodic? He makes you think shredding is for the weak and say where is the song in solos? right here with the riff is the answer. "Thou shalt believe in the riff."
Now through life experience they have matured into the perfect band they always were to become, the attainment of perfection has been attained. Back to back triumphant releases of perfectly planned and thought out albums, this band could never let down and not impress. Koi No Yokan is above opinion, it is a piece of heart and soul to be enjoyed by those who have.
Go and see them now, in there prime, in this beautiful history to be regretted if missed. - In the spirit of Chi.
This is the most inane thing I have ever read. At least the other guy's statement is somewhat well-reasoned. Yours is just a bunch of meaningless phrases.
The current state of logic stems from complete illogic.
If I were to find a forum that hated my favorite band I surely came to the right place.
No one here hates Deftones. Most of us are here because of a deep love and/or respect for the band. That doesn't mean we have to worship everything they do though. We are allowed to have differing and negative opinions, and that doesn't make anyone less of a fan.
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 16, 2013, 09:15 PM
Loving a band doesn't mean you have to love EVERYTHING they've ever done. I love Deftones. I'm an obsessive collector, have 3 deftones tattoos with a Chi portrait coming soon, have at least 7 Deftones shirts, 3 hoodies, a windbreaker and various other merch and my friends often tell me I'm unnaturally obsessed but I can admit they have some bad material. The brilliant material more than makes up for it though. No band is infalible and though Deftones are my all time favourite band and have been for 14 years, they're not The Beatles.
Between the fanboys who refuse to believe some material has been lack luster (of which there isn't much) and the Chino groupies on Facebook who basically ruin the vibe of shows with their "I love you Chino, you're so sexy" outbursts, it's not the band I'm ashamed of, it's their fan base.
Me too, anyone that gets tattoos of any band is more then obsessed and should question why if they don't like all there stuff.
Quote from: nicklav on May 16, 2013, 09:47 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 08:33 PM
Quote from: nicklav on May 16, 2013, 07:24 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 04:45 AM
Friends you are here to behold and see the beauty of the best band that ever graced the earth both in terms of style, time and place, output, live shows and the sound of the music most importantly. The deftones being true children of the Bad Brains and the most high god Jah Rastafari emperor Haile Selassie I, Jesus Christ have prevailed in the most abundant way, even after the sacrifice of their spiritual guide departed this physical realm and went on high to give them spiritual tidings from that special place we all wish to attain.
Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan, includes in it not one bad track and enters into the era that we all begged for with each release from a young group who was surely to mature into seniority. the live shows are more cerebral, the songs are more powerful, even adding Jazz improve stylings to the old material, begging you that you may love the past right here and now.
The Deftones were always a band that was meant to be, they were meant to come and be the band that every one wished to be in and wished to be, most of all everyone wants to create each song and album and never more so than now today. They are here to break down barriers. Chino's vocals sore pop sentiments and soul melodies throughout each track and he still screams with the aggression of the music, making you think how can he still do that? Stephen's riffs are so full of body and movement, he's carving and creating a craft not truly known yet to man, how can something so heavy be so melodic? He makes you think shredding is for the weak and say where is the song in solos? right here with the riff is the answer. "Thou shalt believe in the riff."
Now through life experience they have matured into the perfect band they always were to become, the attainment of perfection has been attained. Back to back triumphant releases of perfectly planned and thought out albums, this band could never let down and not impress. Koi No Yokan is above opinion, it is a piece of heart and soul to be enjoyed by those who have.
Go and see them now, in there prime, in this beautiful history to be regretted if missed. - In the spirit of Chi.
This is the most inane thing I have ever read. At least the other guy's statement is somewhat well-reasoned. Yours is just a bunch of meaningless phrases.
The current state of logic stems from complete illogic.
If I were to find a forum that hated my favorite band I surely came to the right place.
No one here hates Deftones. Most of us are here because of a deep love and/or respect for the band. That doesn't mean we have to worship everything they do though. We are allowed to have differing and negative opinions, and that doesn't make anyone less of a fan.
you really don't have to come in with your wanna be swagger. I can guess what the responses will be, alls people do is fight on here. I guess if I didn't like all the albums and songs and consider them spiritually heightening, then I could join your club, but that's ok I'm apart of a better club, it's called the club of true music lovers. there's no whining and complaining because one song didn't make your dick grow, its a genuine sighting of excellence on every level, nothing is perfect, but we still search for the attainment of. that I like.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 10:31 PM
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 16, 2013, 09:15 PM
Loving a band doesn't mean you have to love EVERYTHING they've ever done. I love Deftones. I'm an obsessive collector, have 3 deftones tattoos with a Chi portrait coming soon, have at least 7 Deftones shirts, 3 hoodies, a windbreaker and various other merch and my friends often tell me I'm unnaturally obsessed but I can admit they have some bad material. The brilliant material more than makes up for it though. No band is infalible and though Deftones are my all time favourite band and have been for 14 years, they're not The Beatles.
Between the fanboys who refuse to believe some material has been lack luster (of which there isn't much) and the Chino groupies on Facebook who basically ruin the vibe of shows with their "I love you Chino, you're so sexy" outbursts, it's not the band I'm ashamed of, it's their fan base.
Me too, anyone that gets tattoos of any band is more then obsessed and should question why if they don't like all there stuff.
Quote from: nicklav on May 16, 2013, 09:47 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 08:33 PM
Quote from: nicklav on May 16, 2013, 07:24 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 04:45 AM
Friends you are here to behold and see the beauty of the best band that ever graced the earth both in terms of style, time and place, output, live shows and the sound of the music most importantly. The deftones being true children of the Bad Brains and the most high god Jah Rastafari emperor Haile Selassie I, Jesus Christ have prevailed in the most abundant way, even after the sacrifice of their spiritual guide departed this physical realm and went on high to give them spiritual tidings from that special place we all wish to attain.
Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan, includes in it not one bad track and enters into the era that we all begged for with each release from a young group who was surely to mature into seniority. the live shows are more cerebral, the songs are more powerful, even adding Jazz improve stylings to the old material, begging you that you may love the past right here and now.
The Deftones were always a band that was meant to be, they were meant to come and be the band that every one wished to be in and wished to be, most of all everyone wants to create each song and album and never more so than now today. They are here to break down barriers. Chino's vocals sore pop sentiments and soul melodies throughout each track and he still screams with the aggression of the music, making you think how can he still do that? Stephen's riffs are so full of body and movement, he's carving and creating a craft not truly known yet to man, how can something so heavy be so melodic? He makes you think shredding is for the weak and say where is the song in solos? right here with the riff is the answer. "Thou shalt believe in the riff."
Now through life experience they have matured into the perfect band they always were to become, the attainment of perfection has been attained. Back to back triumphant releases of perfectly planned and thought out albums, this band could never let down and not impress. Koi No Yokan is above opinion, it is a piece of heart and soul to be enjoyed by those who have.
Go and see them now, in there prime, in this beautiful history to be regretted if missed. - In the spirit of Chi.
This is the most inane thing I have ever read. At least the other guy's statement is somewhat well-reasoned. Yours is just a bunch of meaningless phrases.
The current state of logic stems from complete illogic.
If I were to find a forum that hated my favorite band I surely came to the right place.
No one here hates Deftones. Most of us are here because of a deep love and/or respect for the band. That doesn't mean we have to worship everything they do though. We are allowed to have differing and negative opinions, and that doesn't make anyone less of a fan.
you really don't have to come in with your wanna be swagger. I can guess what the responses will be, alls people do is fight on here. I guess if I didn't like all the albums and songs and consider them spiritually heightening, then I could join your club, but that's ok I'm apart of a better club, it's called the club of true music lovers. there's no whining and complaining because one song didn't make your dick grow, its a genuine sighting of excellence on every level, nothing is perfect, but we still search for the attainment of. that I like.
What the fuck does "wannabe swagger" mean? If you're so sick of Deftones "haters", why do you continue to post? You might be better off seeking spiritual enlightenment elsewhere. As it is now, you're bugging a lot of people on this board with your holier-than-thou attitude.
Man, so much idiocy around here I don't even know where to begin. It all boils down to this: people here feel entitled to speak their opinion, as long as it's negative. Especially about the band. It's frowned upon to say something positive that somehow contradicts another persons negative view on the same matter. So you want to claim your right to speak freely and have an opinion? Yeah dipshit, then how about letting others do the same? Look up the word "hypocrite". I don't know what's worse, the people who get an e-peen from constantly dissing the band and the fans who enjoy their newer material, or the trolls who can't refrain from arguing with these self-entitled know-it-alls. Either way, what pisses me off the most is that people actually sit here and pretend like they know what the fuck the band, their manager, their label and their fucking producer thinks. Have your theories, go ahead. But to me it only looks like you're trying to blame your poor conservative tastes on someone else. Do you honestly think Chino still wants to rap and scream about teenage angst? Just because you never grew up and found happiness in life doesn't mean other people can't. If you're so miserable you demand that your favorite band remains miserable for YOUR SAKE, then you can please go and off yourself. Now.
Quote from: nicklav on May 16, 2013, 10:43 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 10:31 PM
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 16, 2013, 09:15 PM
Loving a band doesn't mean you have to love EVERYTHING they've ever done. I love Deftones. I'm an obsessive collector, have 3 deftones tattoos with a Chi portrait coming soon, have at least 7 Deftones shirts, 3 hoodies, a windbreaker and various other merch and my friends often tell me I'm unnaturally obsessed but I can admit they have some bad material. The brilliant material more than makes up for it though. No band is infalible and though Deftones are my all time favourite band and have been for 14 years, they're not The Beatles.
Between the fanboys who refuse to believe some material has been lack luster (of which there isn't much) and the Chino groupies on Facebook who basically ruin the vibe of shows with their "I love you Chino, you're so sexy" outbursts, it's not the band I'm ashamed of, it's their fan base.
Me too, anyone that gets tattoos of any band is more then obsessed and should question why if they don't like all there stuff.
Quote from: nicklav on May 16, 2013, 09:47 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 08:33 PM
Quote from: nicklav on May 16, 2013, 07:24 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 04:45 AM
Friends you are here to behold and see the beauty of the best band that ever graced the earth both in terms of style, time and place, output, live shows and the sound of the music most importantly. The deftones being true children of the Bad Brains and the most high god Jah Rastafari emperor Haile Selassie I, Jesus Christ have prevailed in the most abundant way, even after the sacrifice of their spiritual guide departed this physical realm and went on high to give them spiritual tidings from that special place we all wish to attain.
Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan, includes in it not one bad track and enters into the era that we all begged for with each release from a young group who was surely to mature into seniority. the live shows are more cerebral, the songs are more powerful, even adding Jazz improve stylings to the old material, begging you that you may love the past right here and now.
The Deftones were always a band that was meant to be, they were meant to come and be the band that every one wished to be in and wished to be, most of all everyone wants to create each song and album and never more so than now today. They are here to break down barriers. Chino's vocals sore pop sentiments and soul melodies throughout each track and he still screams with the aggression of the music, making you think how can he still do that? Stephen's riffs are so full of body and movement, he's carving and creating a craft not truly known yet to man, how can something so heavy be so melodic? He makes you think shredding is for the weak and say where is the song in solos? right here with the riff is the answer. "Thou shalt believe in the riff."
Now through life experience they have matured into the perfect band they always were to become, the attainment of perfection has been attained. Back to back triumphant releases of perfectly planned and thought out albums, this band could never let down and not impress. Koi No Yokan is above opinion, it is a piece of heart and soul to be enjoyed by those who have.
Go and see them now, in there prime, in this beautiful history to be regretted if missed. - In the spirit of Chi.
This is the most inane thing I have ever read. At least the other guy's statement is somewhat well-reasoned. Yours is just a bunch of meaningless phrases.
The current state of logic stems from complete illogic.
If I were to find a forum that hated my favorite band I surely came to the right place.
No one here hates Deftones. Most of us are here because of a deep love and/or respect for the band. That doesn't mean we have to worship everything they do though. We are allowed to have differing and negative opinions, and that doesn't make anyone less of a fan.
you really don't have to come in with your wanna be swagger. I can guess what the responses will be, alls people do is fight on here. I guess if I didn't like all the albums and songs and consider them spiritually heightening, then I could join your club, but that's ok I'm apart of a better club, it's called the club of true music lovers. there's no whining and complaining because one song didn't make your dick grow, its a genuine sighting of excellence on every level, nothing is perfect, but we still search for the attainment of. that I like.
What the fuck does "wannabe swagger" mean? If you're so sick of Deftones "haters", why do you continue to post? You might be better off seeking spiritual enlightenment elsewhere. As it is now, you're bugging a lot of people on this board with your holier-than-thou attitude.
Holier than thou - track 3 - Metallica.
It's funny that positivity is turned upside down by you talkin', typin' motherfuckers. keep them fingers a movin', i'm going to keep on going with my lovely insights and look for others too, you can just tell us how much you dislike everything.
Let's talk about the album if anything, that's all I'm doing when I'm not wasting posts on ravers.
Quote from: Jacob on May 17, 2013, 01:10 AM
Man, so much idiocy around here I don't even know where to begin. It all boils down to this: people here feel entitled to speak their opinion, as long as it's negative. Especially about the band. It's frowned upon to say something positive that somehow contradicts another persons negative view on the same matter. So you want to claim your right to speak freely and have an opinion? Yeah dipshit, then how about letting others do the same? Look up the word "hypocrite". I don't know what's worse, the people who get an e-peen from constantly dissing the band and the fans who enjoy their newer material, or the trolls who can't refrain from arguing with these self-entitled know-it-alls. Either way, what pisses me off the most is that people actually sit here and pretend like they know what the fuck the band, their manager, their label and their fucking producer thinks. Have your theories, go ahead. But to me it only looks like you're trying to blame your poor conservative tastes on someone else. Do you honestly think Chino still wants to rap and scream about teenage angst? Just because you never grew up and found happiness in life doesn't mean other people can't. If you're so miserable you demand that your favorite band remains miserable for YOUR SAKE, then you can please go and off yourself. Now.
I hope you aren't directing this at me. I really like the latest albums and I'm very happy that Chino and the rest of the band are seemingly at a good stage in their lives. At the same time, I can totally sympathize with people who don't see it the way you or others do. I'm not sure how what I said makes me a hypocrite. The only people I've seen attacking anyone in the last two pages or so are you and SwerveCityUSA. In fact, in one of his first few posts he called someone a "depressed motherfucker" for not liking the album. This is after he comes in and says his opinion is fact. That's completely uncalled for.
Quote from: nicklav on May 17, 2013, 01:46 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 17, 2013, 01:10 AM
Man, so much idiocy around here I don't even know where to begin. It all boils down to this: people here feel entitled to speak their opinion, as long as it's negative. Especially about the band. It's frowned upon to say something positive that somehow contradicts another persons negative view on the same matter. So you want to claim your right to speak freely and have an opinion? Yeah dipshit, then how about letting others do the same? Look up the word "hypocrite". I don't know what's worse, the people who get an e-peen from constantly dissing the band and the fans who enjoy their newer material, or the trolls who can't refrain from arguing with these self-entitled know-it-alls. Either way, what pisses me off the most is that people actually sit here and pretend like they know what the fuck the band, their manager, their label and their fucking producer thinks. Have your theories, go ahead. But to me it only looks like you're trying to blame your poor conservative tastes on someone else. Do you honestly think Chino still wants to rap and scream about teenage angst? Just because you never grew up and found happiness in life doesn't mean other people can't. If you're so miserable you demand that your favorite band remains miserable for YOUR SAKE, then you can please go and off yourself. Now.
I hope you aren't directing this at me. I really like the latest albums and I'm very happy that Chino and the rest of the band are seemingly at a good stage in their lives. At the same time, I can totally sympathize with people who don't see it the way you or others do. I'm not sure how what I said makes me a hypocrite. The only people I've seen attacking anyone in the last two pages or so are you and SwerveCityUSA. In fact, in one of his first few posts he called someone a "depressed motherfucker" for not liking the album. This is after he comes in and says his opinion is fact. That's completely uncalled for.
Nope.
anyway, this album will bring the poor good tidings and set the captives free. Premonition of Love.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 17, 2013, 02:35 AM
Quote from: nicklav on May 17, 2013, 01:46 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 17, 2013, 01:10 AM
Man, so much idiocy around here I don't even know where to begin. It all boils down to this: people here feel entitled to speak their opinion, as long as it's negative. Especially about the band. It's frowned upon to say something positive that somehow contradicts another persons negative view on the same matter. So you want to claim your right to speak freely and have an opinion? Yeah dipshit, then how about letting others do the same? Look up the word "hypocrite". I don't know what's worse, the people who get an e-peen from constantly dissing the band and the fans who enjoy their newer material, or the trolls who can't refrain from arguing with these self-entitled know-it-alls. Either way, what pisses me off the most is that people actually sit here and pretend like they know what the fuck the band, their manager, their label and their fucking producer thinks. Have your theories, go ahead. But to me it only looks like you're trying to blame your poor conservative tastes on someone else. Do you honestly think Chino still wants to rap and scream about teenage angst? Just because you never grew up and found happiness in life doesn't mean other people can't. If you're so miserable you demand that your favorite band remains miserable for YOUR SAKE, then you can please go and off yourself. Now.
I hope you aren't directing this at me. I really like the latest albums and I'm very happy that Chino and the rest of the band are seemingly at a good stage in their lives. At the same time, I can totally sympathize with people who don't see it the way you or others do. I'm not sure how what I said makes me a hypocrite. The only people I've seen attacking anyone in the last two pages or so are you and SwerveCityUSA. In fact, in one of his first few posts he called someone a "depressed motherfucker" for not liking the album. This is after he comes in and says his opinion is fact. That's completely uncalled for.
Nope.
anyway, this album will bring the poor good tidings and set the captives free. Premonition of Love.
now shut up.
Quote from: Penicks on May 16, 2013, 03:59 PM
Quote from: musteatbrains on May 16, 2013, 04:12 AM
Friends, you are witnessing the bitter, boring end of the Deftones. Our beloved band will not crumble due to in-fighting, disagreements, artistic differences, or anything that might actually inspire creativity and emotion. Rather they're suffering from the exact opposite – they're mildly happy, reluctantly complacent, and frankly, bored. You can hear it in the tired lyrics of a once-mastermind trying to imitate his former self. Stephen hasn't had an interesting riff in years. Even Abe's drumming, while still hard, lacks the creativity it once paraded naturally.
This tired serenity comes through in everything – the interviews, full with identical phrases and response ("we're capturing a moment in time"); played-out setlists, robotic performances; and an overall lack of excitement. And even though this sounds superficial, imagery is important, and this is the first record in which their physical appearances have not changed a bit. They look identical to Diamond Eyes cycle – the DE/KNY eras are basically identical in terms of sound and image. They even used the same producer, photographer, and used his FATHER for the artwork! It's clear they went with the easiest, safest options – the paths of least resistance, and least reward from an artistic perspective. And this is all because their priorities have changed.
The beautiful thing about the Deftones is they were an unintended success. They didn't start a band to be rock stars and to make a living. They were in a band because they were friends who enjoyed music. This remained the foundation for years, until recently. They're all pushing 40 now, most have kids, some have alimony. These are the burdens of growing the fuck up. While I'd love to see the band in the prior, raw state, it's selfish and unrealistic.
Koi No Yokan, which, like Diamond Eyes, was treated as a 9-5, was nothing more than an attempt to remain relevant. Trust me – if they didn't HAVE to write this record, they would not have. But nobody's going to book them for shows without a new record to promise some interest and ticket sales. The record becomes a necessary evil to promote touring, which has become a necessary evil to support certain lifestyles. At this point, what other choice do they have? Any other career movie is extremely risky. Risk literally cannot be afforded (yet), especially when there is more juice to squeeze from this fruit.
They also can't afford to write music when they feel like it. That's why they ditched Terry – because he understood how to get the best performances out of them: an utter lack of discipline. "Let it come naturally" – the obvious mantra. Nick couldn't give a crap about that kind of stuff. Nick has one job – to get the record done. Terry can get an 8/10 record out of the band, but it will take 3 years. Nick can get a 6/10 in six months. Which option makes more sense? And which one sounds better to mgmt/label – obviously the moneymaker. Reality sets in, this is what we have.
"The shade is a tool, a device, a savior." Yeah, swap "shade" out with "album," and here we are: Koi No Yokan. 1.5/10 for Leathers and the decent verse of Goon Squad.
(http://i.imgur.com/47bBPfn.gif)
I think "musteatbrains" is secretly vesanic.....and everything he said is 100 percent spot on...KNY and DE are for the poser fans, the newbies, the arctic monkey hipsters.....they have become a tired predictable band by now, the setlists are as mundane as their new albums....they should release Eros as a FINAL statement and then end the band, let Chino go do his Palms thing and trip hop stuff (its obv what he secretly wants to do anyway) Steph and Fieldy can start a band because the two of them have one thing in common...they have looked bored out of their minds on stage with their respective bands for the past 11 years...
i'd be alright with KNY and Eros being tombstones
Quote from: jaypayton on May 17, 2013, 06:30 AM
I think "musteatbrains" is secretly vesanic.....and everything he said is 100 percent spot on...KNY and DE are for the poser fans, the newbies, the arctic monkey hipsters.....they have become a tired predictable band by now, the setlists are as mundane as their new albums....they should release Eros as a FINAL statement and then end the band, let Chino go do his Palms thing and trip hop stuff (its obv what he secretly wants to do anyway) Steph and Fieldy can start a band because the two of them have one thing in common...they have looked bored out of their minds on stage with their respective bands for the past 11 years...
The musicianship on KNY is still there only the tone has changed to be more positive and the fans who are angry and bitter people themselves can't relate now that Chino isn't screaming his face off or doing the sad singing deal and instead of opening themselves to beautiful music they label it mainstream,That's just ridiculous what they're doing sonically is amazing they go from beautiful soundscapes to heavy riffs seamlessly. I used to be like those fans as a teen and I missed out on some amazing music because I didn't judge the music on it's merits but my own fucked up filters, Their music is still amazingly well crafted songs like Rosemary show this. I know everyone has been that bitter person at a point in time it's most likely the reason we all connected to Deftones music but they're just not those angry guys anymore , It's fine for not you to connect with the new stuff but just have some respect for the band they are still great musicians even if you're on a different wave length to them.
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 16, 2013, 09:15 PM
Loving a band doesn't mean you have to love EVERYTHING they've ever done. I love Deftones. I'm an obsessive collector, have 3 deftones tattoos with a Chi portrait coming soon, have at least 7 Deftones shirts, 3 hoodies, a windbreaker and various other merch and my friends often tell me I'm unnaturally obsessed but I can admit they have some bad material. The brilliant material more than makes up for it though. No band is infalible and though Deftones are my all time favourite band and have been for 14 years, they're not The Beatles.
Between the fanboys who refuse to believe some material has been lack luster (of which there isn't much) and the Chino groupies on Facebook who basically ruin the vibe of shows with their "I love you Chino, you're so sexy" outbursts, it's not the band I'm ashamed of, it's their fan base.
I feel you. I don't consider myself a crazy fanboy though, like I said, I think they have songs that certainly do less for me, but still songs that aren't bad. So, it's not like I would walk through fire to defend these songs, but on the other hand it's not "bad" in that sense. I haven't heard Adrenaline yet, but from what I have heard (a few songs), it feels like an album where some of it will probably fall under that "not bad, but not amazing" category for me. We'll see.
Quote from: jaypayton on May 17, 2013, 06:30 AM
I think "musteatbrains" is secretly vesanic.....and everything he said is 100 percent spot on...KNY and DE are for the poser fans, the newbies, the arctic monkey hipsters.....they have become a tired predictable band by now, the setlists are as mundane as their new albums....they should release Eros as a FINAL statement and then end the band, let Chino go do his Palms thing and trip hop stuff (its obv what he secretly wants to do anyway) Steph and Fieldy can start a band because the two of them have one thing in common...they have looked bored out of their minds on stage with their respective bands for the past 11 years...
Funny that you say such a good thing about an eventual secret me when you've said so much shit about me. Way to go.
Anyway, that wasn't me. It was way too good, both on the arguments and the language, to be me. But this message, as well as the hypothetical release of Eros, made me want to come back. Not gonna talk about Koi No Yokan. I know I'll get enough stupid messages just for being back, so let's have a fresh start and I won't be negative anymore. You all know what I think about Koi No Yokan, and musteatbrains made it all clear.
I have to quote it again, I'm sorry, but it was really impressive :
Quote from: lostcancer on May 17, 2013, 03:50 AM
Quote from: Penicks on May 16, 2013, 03:59 PM
Quote from: musteatbrains on May 16, 2013, 04:12 AM
Friends, you are witnessing the bitter, boring end of the Deftones. Our beloved band will not crumble due to in-fighting, disagreements, artistic differences, or anything that might actually inspire creativity and emotion. Rather they're suffering from the exact opposite – they're mildly happy, reluctantly complacent, and frankly, bored. You can hear it in the tired lyrics of a once-mastermind trying to imitate his former self. Stephen hasn't had an interesting riff in years. Even Abe's drumming, while still hard, lacks the creativity it once paraded naturally.
This tired serenity comes through in everything – the interviews, full with identical phrases and response ("we're capturing a moment in time"); played-out setlists, robotic performances; and an overall lack of excitement. And even though this sounds superficial, imagery is important, and this is the first record in which their physical appearances have not changed a bit. They look identical to Diamond Eyes cycle – the DE/KNY eras are basically identical in terms of sound and image. They even used the same producer, photographer, and used his FATHER for the artwork! It's clear they went with the easiest, safest options – the paths of least resistance, and least reward from an artistic perspective. And this is all because their priorities have changed.
The beautiful thing about the Deftones is they were an unintended success. They didn't start a band to be rock stars and to make a living. They were in a band because they were friends who enjoyed music. This remained the foundation for years, until recently. They're all pushing 40 now, most have kids, some have alimony. These are the burdens of growing the fuck up. While I'd love to see the band in the prior, raw state, it's selfish and unrealistic.
Koi No Yokan, which, like Diamond Eyes, was treated as a 9-5, was nothing more than an attempt to remain relevant. Trust me – if they didn't HAVE to write this record, they would not have. But nobody's going to book them for shows without a new record to promise some interest and ticket sales. The record becomes a necessary evil to promote touring, which has become a necessary evil to support certain lifestyles. At this point, what other choice do they have? Any other career movie is extremely risky. Risk literally cannot be afforded (yet), especially when there is more juice to squeeze from this fruit.
They also can't afford to write music when they feel like it. That's why they ditched Terry – because he understood how to get the best performances out of them: an utter lack of discipline. "Let it come naturally" – the obvious mantra. Nick couldn't give a crap about that kind of stuff. Nick has one job – to get the record done. Terry can get an 8/10 record out of the band, but it will take 3 years. Nick can get a 6/10 in six months. Which option makes more sense? And which one sounds better to mgmt/label – obviously the moneymaker. Reality sets in, this is what we have.
"The shade is a tool, a device, a savior." Yeah, swap "shade" out with "album," and here we are: Koi No Yokan. 1.5/10 for Leathers and the decent verse of Goon Squad.
(http://i.imgur.com/47bBPfn.gif)
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 16, 2013, 10:31 PM
Me too, anyone that gets tattoos of any band is more then obsessed and should question why if they don't like all there stuff.
Woah there. My girlfriend has a S/T type of tattoo on her shoulder, as well as the pony on her leg. She's happily more than obsessed with both records, but she still dislikes KNY and doesn't like DE the way she digs the previous releases. Does the fact she doesn't love these two records but still got tattoos of two other albums she loves, which were written by the same band, make it stupid in any way, to you? Should she question why, according to you?
If so, I can see again why I left in the first place, shit. ;D
But did you leave in the first place? Someone claims you secretly post here, and on the same day you register a new account and respond to to it ;)
haha yeah sounds suspicious, either welcome back man it's good to see you on here again.
You say it, welcome back Ves. Good to hear about the girlfriend situation as well (:
Sounds like a keeper aswell by her choice of tattoos
Well I won't lie, some people would hit me up on facebook telling me about how some of you guys were still discussing my case back in like March. I got curious, I wanted to see how far that whole stupid craziness could go, and I was more than fed haha. But musteatbrains isn't me. I mean, look at his English, and look at mine. No match, I suck. But yeah, I gave the forum a look every once in a while, I mean with Chi's death, the Adrenaline vinyl, etc. I never said I was totally done with the band. Probably said I wouldn't come back, but hey, I have no mind strength, right?
And yeah, she's most definitely a keeper, if she can stand me that is. Thanks guys. :)
Quote from: Jacob on May 17, 2013, 01:10 AM
Man, so much idiocy around here I don't even know where to begin. It all boils down to this: people here feel entitled to speak their opinion, as long as it's negative. Especially about the band. It's frowned upon to say something positive that somehow contradicts another persons negative view on the same matter. So you want to claim your right to speak freely and have an opinion? Yeah dipshit, then how about letting others do the same? Look up the word "hypocrite". I don't know what's worse, the people who get an e-peen from constantly dissing the band and the fans who enjoy their newer material, or the trolls who can't refrain from arguing with these self-entitled know-it-alls. Either way, what pisses me off the most is that people actually sit here and pretend like they know what the fuck the band, their manager, their label and their fucking producer thinks. Have your theories, go ahead. But to me it only looks like you're trying to blame your poor conservative tastes on someone else. Do you honestly think Chino still wants to rap and scream about teenage angst? Just because you never grew up and found happiness in life doesn't mean other people can't. If you're so miserable you demand that your favorite band remains miserable for YOUR SAKE, then you can please go and off yourself. Now.
So much for having an intelligent discussion. The only prick swinging around his opinion as fact is SwerveCityUSA, and I think everyone knows not to take him seriously (just look at his old posts, which get progressively antagonistic and nonsensical. Back to the point, I haven't heard one person say they'd like the band to be still rapping, screaming, and upset. Angst/depression do not guarantee good music, and the opposite dose not guarantee crap music either. Two examples - First, SNW. The band was probably at their worst in terms of stability. They basically broke up. Chino was going through hell. And this is where the songwriting and performances first started suffering, and it's been a steady decline ever since. This unhappiness did not produce a good record, just a few good songs like Kim, Beware, and Combat. Second, Team Sleep. The leak came out during the good ol' days, but it was not filled with "rapping and screaming" or angst. It was overall pretty ambient, dreamy music, and it made for an awesome listening experience. It sounded raw and inspired without being angsty. Again, I cite to boredom as the cause for the current decline.
And no, I'm not Ves. Is it so hard to think that dude has been lurking ever since he left, especially to see how this board would carry on without him and what people would say? His "coincidental" post totally proves that point, and I'm glad he's back. He was a good member of the community except towards the end. Removing all video content was a really amateur move, but he'll grow up one day.
I will say as much as I think the two new albums are good i will never have the same connection with them as I have with the other older stuff , the pre Diamond Eyes albums are like more than just music to me they provide escape whenever I get in a fucked up state of mind that being said I still like the music on DE and KNY it just doesn't take me away like the other stuff does.
Quote from: musteatbrains on May 17, 2013, 12:36 PM
And no, I'm not Ves. Is it so hard to think that dude has been lurking ever since he left, especially to see how this board would carry on without him and what people would say? His "coincidental" post totally proves that point, and I'm glad he's back. He was a good member of the community except towards the end. Removing all video content was a really amateur move, but he'll grow up one day.
"Lurking" is fairly excessive. But fine. I know nobody will buy this but this is honestly the first time I check the forum out in a little while. I have no shame in admitting I'd give it a quick look every once in a while though. But it was definitely not a daily thing. Not that I'd feel any shame in that either, but it wasn't the case.
I clearly am not in the same vibe as most people here and it did show towards the end, and I did let a couple of things go, I mean, it was relieving in some way. I probably don't belong here more than I did when I left, but really, with Eros that could be coming, and those live selections, yeah, I'm quite excited. I've checked out one or two setlists (I even saw someone quoting my post from setlist.fm, haha, seriously?), but I'm pretty much done with their live track now. Just the old stuff when it surfaces. I'll just keep using this forum to discuss topics I like. I'll try to stay out of debates when they're about stuff I don't dig, no broken hearts then. ;D
As for my videos, that's another story you might want to discuss with me at some point, rather than just seeing it from a very external point of view and regarding it as some immature act. I know I do upload again, but that came with reasons too. Anyway, I do dig the honesty. Cheers.
Hey V is it just my imagination or has it been ages since they've done any proshot stuff? I can't think of any big televised festivals or tv appearances for a couple of years now.
Well until the 2013 tour kick off, indeed, it had been a while since the last pro thing came up. I don't, nothing from the last couple of months? I thought there would have been some stuff since they played a couple of big festivals and all. Shit, it's really been a while, then.
Yeah I just suddenly realised how long it had been ,sucks that tv appearance got cancelled I like to see how the guys are doing live but the cellphone videos don't really give a good gauge, Although I've heard they've been killing it lately with really raw shows since they got back after the break, Also big news Chino finally stopped wearing his red plaid lumberjack top and has changed to a Joy Division t-shirt instead lol.
Raw, eh? What got so rawer, do you know?
I've seen some people who have been to the Australian performances and other recent shows say Chino has been going on more loose like he's been drinking and he's been really getting into it enjoying himself and not holding back on screams or singing like he has done in recent years with the whole talk singing parts of songs, even saw a review saying saying he managed to hit the high note in Digital Bath, might just be because they're refreshed from the break but apparently Chino's been on point. I must say he sounded pretty good on Behind the Wheel with the Dillinger Escape Plan really showed his class especially compared to Greg.
Just found this from Brisbane show the recording is pretty bad but the end is epic.
http://youtu.be/t5ruQyX4eXw (http://youtu.be/t5ruQyX4eXw)
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on May 17, 2013, 02:37 PM
Just found this from Brisbane show the recording is pretty bad but the end is epic.
http://youtu.be/t5ruQyX4eXw (http://youtu.be/t5ruQyX4eXw)
nice, now im hungry for popcorn.
Hehe, booze... No secret. I'll admit, it's kinda raw. It's definitely the kind of vibe we had for that second in Paris, which is why it really felt different from all the other shows from that tour. Except Chino had a pneumonia, he sounds like he's recovered now, but yeah in Paris part 2 he was definitely under the influence and it gave the show a whole other intensity.
Chino surprised me in that vid with his energy it reminded me a bit of the old school days just the way he was stomping back and forth across the stage near the end then the monster scream complete with mic drop, it's been a while since I've seen Chino work the stage so frantically he even climbed up on a balcony during 7 words.
Checked out that Brisbane setlist. Is Rivière up somewhere? Always a treat, can't deny.
Quote from: Romain on May 17, 2013, 03:10 PM
Checked out that Brisbane setlist. Is Rivière up somewhere? Always a treat, can't deny.
This isn't really relevant to the discussion, but THANK YOU for putting the Wembly show back up. I can't go for very long without seeing that performance of Mascara.
Quote from: Romain on May 17, 2013, 03:10 PM
Checked out that Brisbane setlist. Is Rivière up somewhere? Always a treat, can't deny.
Not that I can see, maybe in a few more days it'll surface. Here's a couple of reviews from that show.
http://heavyandwierd.wordpress.com/2013/05/15/live-review-deftones-14th-may-2013-at-the-tivoli/ (http://heavyandwierd.wordpress.com/2013/05/15/live-review-deftones-14th-may-2013-at-the-tivoli/)
http://factorydiaries.com.au/2013/05/16/review-deftones-the-tivoli-14-5-13/ (http://factorydiaries.com.au/2013/05/16/review-deftones-the-tivoli-14-5-13/)
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on May 17, 2013, 02:37 PM
Just found this from Brisbane show the recording is pretty bad but the end is epic.
http://youtu.be/t5ruQyX4eXw (http://youtu.be/t5ruQyX4eXw)
I can't even watch this in 144p. What's wrong with Youtube lately? :(
Quote from: Romain on May 17, 2013, 03:10 PM
Checked out that Brisbane setlist. Is Rivière up somewhere? Always a treat, can't deny.
Ves you have a new channel on youtube ???????????????????
Same one as before.