Whenever I hear deftones "fans" talk about how SNW is their weakest album and how its their worst album, it is almost comical....SNW is a fucking dark masterpiece, and probably in about 5-10 years when the band is dead and buried, all of a sudden SNW will get the recognition it deserves while everyone forgets about DE and KNY. Its mind boggling to think there are people who may prefer DE or KNY to SNW....It makes zero sense to me....get fucking educated and appreciate the brilliance of that album..back when the band was making artistic statements and trying new things and taking RISKS, instead of going through the motions like the last 2 albums...
I think DE and KNY has stronger songwriting, but SNW remains a really good album. I love the atmosphere on it, I just kinda wish they went a bit more "out there" with more songs like "U, U, D, D, L, R, L, R, A, B, Select, Start".
As a whole, I think SNW is a pretty strong album. Not sure how I would rank their albums, but I'd say the self-titled or Adrenaline is the worst. (Still great stuff though)
I don't really see much "hate" for it.. I personally love the shit out of it.
It's my favourite :)
It's my second favourite after self titled. I think it's a masterpiece and never understood the hate it got.
SNW may be my least favorite, but I don't it's weak or bad in any way. I especially love Rapture, Rats! Rats! Rats!, and Combat, and unlike everyone else on this board, I don't think Mein is a bad song.
I think it stems from weird production. Some tracks shine and others sound weird. I wish Beware got the proper production. It sounds like a demo. I wish Pink Cellphone didn't ever exist. I used to like it... Without that track, I think the album would've left a better taste on some peoples tongues.
I love me S/T era Chino vocals, but I appreciate how Chino started to sing again. I just wish it would've been done right (sometimes you can hear the straining as opposed to DE perfection)...but now that I think about...maybe thats what makes this album special. The inconsistencies? haha I dunno...
I like think of this album as evolution into a more spacey sound that was a precursor to KNY.
I like SNW, but it's all over the place as an album. Great moments, but there's not much cohesion to it.
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 21, 2013, 10:34 PM
It's my second favourite after self titled. I think it's a masterpiece and never understood the hate it got.
this
i dig snw quite a bit. pink cellphone and mein fucking suck though. the rest is good.
Quote from: only pieces remain on May 22, 2013, 02:17 AM
i dig snw quite a bit. pink cellphone and mein fucking suck though. the rest is good.
Yeah but it's not my favourite like WP and ST because I can't just listen to the whole album without skipping songs. When I listen to it I skip Mein (Serj's part), Pink Cellphone(obviously) and rats (Chino sounds like he's yelling Jason over and over lol) but there are some real gems like Riviere, Xerces, Beware,hole in the earth etc that mean the album is still great just not cohesive enough to be my favourite.
yep and don't forget combat.
lol at "jason". the very first time i heard the track when it leaked i thought thats what he was saying too.
That dirty ass scream at the end of RATS!RATS!RATS!
Hahaha. "Jay-SON! Jayson yes I say a-jay-jay-SON!"
Much respect,
-Matt
I dont hate it. I just think they've done better.
My favourite of theirs and their most creative. I don't think it's hated, just underrated. Glad to see some SNW love.
its probably my favorite (along with st and wp). it helps that this was the first deftones album i was really waiting for, checking forums, previewes and stuff. its was their last 'dark' deftones record imo. pink cellphone sucks, but mein is great imo. plus we got the demos, which was really cool. and who can forget finger of death! probably my favorite deftones song.
also the artwork is bad ass, i got the cover blown up and hung it on my wall. i love this album. DE was such a let down after snw imo, but KNY gave me some hope
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 21, 2013, 10:34 PM
It's my second favourite after self titled. I think it's a masterpiece and never understood the hate it got.
Quote from: jaypayton on May 21, 2013, 09:47 PM
Whenever I hear deftones "fans" talk about how SNW is their weakest album and how its their worst album, it is almost comical....SNW is a fucking dark masterpiece, and probably in about 5-10 years when the band is dead and buried, all of a sudden SNW will get the recognition it deserves while everyone forgets about DE and KNY. Its mind boggling to think there are people who may prefer DE or KNY to SNW....It makes zero sense to me....get fucking educated and appreciate the brilliance of that album..back when the band was making artistic statements and trying new things and taking RISKS, instead of going through the motions like the last 2 albums...
I love this album.
It's so fitting that it's the last thing we have heard Chi play on ( so far) since his sound is so huge on it.
Although it's really no different than" the last 2 albums". It's just different like the last 2 albums.
We all make subjective opinions on anything we like in life. Especially something like music. It's not " mind boggling" at all that the people that dislike SNW think that DE and KNY are stronger or any album they have made for that matter.
I recall you posting they have tried to go with a more mainstream sound with the last 2 records. I could make the assumption that SNW was the record that started what you seem to despise now. Rats and Rapture were some bangers that we may not have gotten on the past 2 records ( even though the production on both took away from the vibe compared to how they sounded live IMO) but they really showed a more polished style of letting us fans know where they wanted to go with their sound ((Waves,Combat,HITE,Rivere,Kimdracula,Xerces etc.).
Maybe you might get educated and appreciate the brilliance that not everything in life stays the way you want it.
Yeah I started to really appreciate what Chi did when I heard his bass track for Hole in the Earth , I didn't realise how much he did, I'm a guitar player and I had never really paid attention to the bass in the songs so alot of his stuff got lost in the mix to my ears and I only really heard the basic rhythm of the low notes, but when I heard that bass track I could hear all the style he put into his playing and it really made me appreciate what he added to the music and I realised how empty the songs would have sounded without him.
Dude, his playing on Combat tugs at my heartstrings
Underrated album. This is really when the band seems to start writing songs together (even though they were just as dysfunctional personally as ever). On S/T and WP you could tell which songs were "Stephen songs" and which were "Chino songs". On SNW it starts to become more blended. Serj's contribution was pointless (and Mein wasn't that great of a song to begin with) and Xerces was kind of a snoozer but the rest of the album was pretty killer. Love PCP by the way.
I don't know about that the band members were pretty separated during that time it's no secret it almost broke them up and they say it was their worst experience because everyone was working individually, they admit the music suffered as a result, No one was really into it because of how much of a strain it was especially with Chino running off to do Team Sleep. Where as with White Pony and ST to a lesser extent the songs are really balanced as in every band member has a significant part in the song you can still tell who's idea the song was by the tone but everyone band member had an equal contribution to the final song, SNW songs seem to lean towards Chino or Steph alot it seems like they just went "Fuck you can have that song but I'm having this one"'.
love this album, my second favourite, you don't have to be a genius to hear that the guy were in a bad bad place
I like how even the real beautiful songs have a real bitterness to them, Cherry waves sounds like a normal love song to most but when you pay real attention to the lyrics it's actually pretty twisted.
Quote from: Inkblades on May 22, 2013, 12:16 AM
I like SNW, but it's all over the place as an album. Great moments, but there's not much cohesion to it.
Quote from: deftones86 on May 22, 2013, 03:53 AM
I dont hate it. I just think they've done better.
Quote from: Hank on May 22, 2013, 06:24 AM
Maybe you might get educated and appreciate the brilliance that not everything in life stays the way you want it.
Quote from: Hank on May 22, 2013, 06:24 AM
Quote from: jaypayton on May 21, 2013, 09:47 PM
Whenever I hear deftones "fans" talk about how SNW is their weakest album and how its their worst album, it is almost comical....SNW is a fucking dark masterpiece, and probably in about 5-10 years when the band is dead and buried, all of a sudden SNW will get the recognition it deserves while everyone forgets about DE and KNY. Its mind boggling to think there are people who may prefer DE or KNY to SNW....It makes zero sense to me....get fucking educated and appreciate the brilliance of that album..back when the band was making artistic statements and trying new things and taking RISKS, instead of going through the motions like the last 2 albums...
I love this album.
It's so fitting that it's the last thing we have heard Chi play on ( so far) since his sound is so huge on it.
Although it's really no different than" the last 2 albums". It's just different like the last 2 albums.
We all make subjective opinions on anything we like in life. Especially something like music. It's not " mind boggling" at all that the people that dislike SNW think that DE and KNY are stronger or any album they have made for that matter.
I recall you posting they have tried to go with a more mainstream sound with the last 2 records. I could make the assumption that SNW was the record that started what you seem to despise now. Rats and Rapture were some bangers that we may not have gotten on the past 2 records ( even though the production on both took away from the vibe compared to how they sounded live IMO) but they really showed a more polished style of letting us fans know where they wanted to go with their sound ((Waves,Combat,HITE,Rivere,Kimdracula,Xerces etc.).
Maybe you might get educated and appreciate the brilliance that not everything in life stays the way you want it.
*BLOOP*
As much as I love this album, Pink Cellphone is easily the worst thing they've ever done. It would make Team Sleep look terrible.
Quote from: sing blue silver on May 21, 2013, 10:34 PM
It's my second favourite after self titled. I think it's a masterpiece and never understood the hate it got.
My thoughts exactly
man i love this album, even i love the hatred against it because it makes me love it more and more.
SNW is amazing. I don't think it's "hatred," per se. Most people tend to think that ST and SNW are the weakest albums, but that's like saying that X song on White Pony is the weakest of the bunch: it's still great stuff.
Pink Cellphone is an embarrassing excuse for a song, though. I got SNW in digital format only, without that track, just so I could say that I don't have it.
Bob Ezrin produced it and he also produced some pink floyd - that in it self should tell u how great the album is for that type of producing.. the album took me a little time to get used to, personally i think all deftones' albums are tight, they each have a different vibe to the year of my life as a soundtrack...deftones are the soundtrack to my life...i personally love the instrumental and wished they would perform more instrumentals in the future...^-^
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Yeah, but Ezin had so many problems with Chino that I don't think he finished producing it. Chino and Slopez ended up finishing the vocals with Slopez producing at a later point. That's why the production sounds so discombobulated.
It did give us Riviere. Love that song.
it sickens me how people talk themselves into liking a terrible album for the sake of feeling like they love every single thing deftones erupts out of their ass chutes.
Quote from: blondie on May 24, 2013, 06:43 AM
it sickens me how people talk themselves into liking a terrible album for the sake of feeling like they love every single thing deftones erupts out of their ass chutes.
lol its people like you
Quote from: pony_01 on May 24, 2013, 07:04 AM
Quote from: blondie on May 24, 2013, 06:43 AM
it sickens me how people talk themselves into liking a terrible album for the sake of feeling like they love every single thing deftones erupts out of their ass chutes.
lol its people like you
loooooooooooool
I find it kinda weird that SNW is considered "the bad one", while I don't think they have made a bad album, I would say Adrenaline and the self-titled would place lowest for me at least. Adrenaline because I think the band improved that sound a lot on Around the Fur, and it is a bit unpolished/new band making their first album, and first albums are usually a big learning process, where the band gets music out, but then learns a lot for the next album. And I also mention the self-titled because even though it has some stellar songs, to me it just lacks a unique feeling as an album. SNW has that post-rock/shoegaze influence, Diamond Eyes is the heavy one, White Pony is more experimental and so on. I feel like the other albums have something that makes them "an album of their own", some connection you can find within the songs that makes the album feel like a cohesive and consistent album. With self-titled, to me it sort of feels like when you make a greatest hits. The songs are not bad, but they don't really go together in that sense.
Quote from: jaypayton on May 21, 2013, 09:47 PM
Whenever I hear deftones "fans" talk about how SNW is their weakest album and how its their worst album, it is almost comical....SNW is a fucking dark masterpiece, and probably in about 5-10 years when the band is dead and buried, all of a sudden SNW will get the recognition it deserves while everyone forgets about DE and KNY. Its mind boggling to think there are people who may prefer DE or KNY to SNW....It makes zero sense to me....get fucking educated and appreciate the brilliance of that album..back when the band was making artistic statements and trying new things and taking RISKS, instead of going through the motions like the last 2 albums...
you're absolutely defunct and out service about KNY and DE, just leave them alone or go actually listen to them.
But yes I agree SNW is another awesome Deftones production, and the darkness is both appealing and alienating simply depending on my mood. I think it's the pop elements in songs like Hole in the Earth, Cherry Waves, Xerces and Beware that turn me off. But I still like them. I really enjoy Rats, Rapture and especially combat and kimdracula. Deftones always turn out, that's a fact.
Quote from: Hank on May 22, 2013, 07:32 AM
Dude, his playing on Combat tugs at my heartstrings
Frank really shines on SNW.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 26, 2013, 12:39 AM
Quote from: jaypayton on May 21, 2013, 09:47 PM
Whenever I hear deftones "fans" talk about how SNW is their weakest album and how its their worst album, it is almost comical....SNW is a fucking dark masterpiece, and probably in about 5-10 years when the band is dead and buried, all of a sudden SNW will get the recognition it deserves while everyone forgets about DE and KNY. Its mind boggling to think there are people who may prefer DE or KNY to SNW....It makes zero sense to me....get fucking educated and appreciate the brilliance of that album..back when the band was making artistic statements and trying new things and taking RISKS, instead of going through the motions like the last 2 albums...
you're absolutely defunct and out service about KNY and DE, just leave them alone or go actually listen to them.
But yes I agree SNW is another awesome Deftones production, and the darkness is both appealing and alienating simply depending on my mood. I think it's the pop elements in songs like Hole in the Earth, Cherry Waves, Xerces and Beware that turn me off. But I still like them. I really enjoy Rats, Rapture and especially combat and kimdracula. Deftones always turn out, that's a fact.
You just named three of the very best songs on the album: Beware, Hole in the Earth and Cherry Waves. Pop elements? No more than they've had throughout many of their songs.
Beware would be the best song on the album if it wasn't so badly produced.
Quote from: Inkblades on May 26, 2013, 06:30 PM
Beware would be the best song on the album if it wasn't so badly produced.
Yeah. It's not really good live either.
I don't understand the hate with Beware's production. It does sound a bit different but it's not that bad at all.
Chino's vocals are not at their best by a long shot and the awesome work Frank does on the chorus is pretty much inaudible. Check out the early live performances of Beware before SNW come out. Those are great.
Quote from: bewareofrats on May 26, 2013, 07:06 PM
I don't understand the hate with Beware's production. It does sound a bit different but it's not that bad at all.
It's terrible, and the volume is super low compared to the rest of the songs...
Quote from: bewareofrats on May 26, 2013, 07:06 PM
I don't understand the hate with Beware's production. It does sound a bit different but it's not that bad at all.
Beware is one of the better songs off the album.
What is the point of this thread? I've hardly ever seen "hate" for this album.
Quote from: Inkblades on May 26, 2013, 07:15 PM
Chino's vocals are not at their best by a long shot and the awesome work Frank does on the chorus is pretty much inaudible. Check out the early live performances of Beware before SNW come out. Those are great.
I think Chino shines on SNW. He sounds excellent on HITE, CW, Riviere and various parts throughout the album. I think the production makes him sound a bit off on Beware but he still sounds great on it to me. The volume on Beware is mostly only noticeably quieter at the beginning of the song to me. The verses are quiet to begin with so it's not like it should be a loud song.
Now that I think about it...it might be because there isn't guitars till the end of the song so the drums sound super loud. I loved watching them play it for the first time live....Stef on keys??? WTF!?!
Beware is a great song, and should be up there with the classics, however the production on Beware is by far the worst of their career and its not even close.
I know some people dislike it, but I really love Rapture. One of my favorites from the album.
Quote from: Zantera on May 27, 2013, 09:55 AM
I know some people dislike it, but I really love Rapture. One of my favorites from the album.
Hell yes. They are all on the top of their game on that one. If it wasn't for the last minute and Frank's synth this one could be on ATF. A lot has been said on Chino's vocals but they sound so. damn.
raw.
Combat all the way
Quote from: DJR on May 27, 2013, 02:47 PM
Combat all the way
yep.
I don't really enjoy beware, never have. once in a blue moon perhaps. That was the first song they debuted from this album live before it came out.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 27, 2013, 04:58 PM
Quote from: DJR on May 27, 2013, 02:47 PM
Combat all the way
yep.
I don't really enjoy beware, never have. once in a blue moon perhaps. That was the first song they debuted from this album live before it came out.
Nobody can deny the amazingness of the ending of Beware though...production, volume blah blah...its an immense piece of heavy music!!
Quote from: DJR on May 27, 2013, 07:03 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 27, 2013, 04:58 PM
Quote from: DJR on May 27, 2013, 02:47 PM
Combat all the way
yep.
I don't really enjoy beware, never have. once in a blue moon perhaps. That was the first song they debuted from this album live before it came out.
Nobody can deny the amazingness of the ending of Beware though...production, volume blah blah...its an immense piece of heavy music!!
It's an okay part, it's the only moment besides a couple on adrenaline that they actually sounded "nu metal."
Half of SNW sucks nutsack.
Quote from: jaypayton on May 21, 2013, 09:47 PM
Whenever I hear deftones "fans" talk about how SNW is their weakest album and how its their worst album, it is almost comical....SNW is a fucking dark masterpiece, and probably in about 5-10 years when the band is dead and buried, all of a sudden SNW will get the recognition it deserves while everyone forgets about DE and KNY. Its mind boggling to think there are people who may prefer DE or KNY to SNW....It makes zero sense to me....get fucking educated and appreciate the brilliance of that album..back when the band was making artistic statements and trying new things and taking RISKS, instead of going through the motions like the last 2 albums...
agreed 110%. SNW and ST are my favorite albums are the closest deftones material that resembles team sleep which I happen to love more than anything deftones. The last 2 records are definitely too polished but they're a different band now and I can't hate on them for changing because they deserve the newfound fame they've gotten.
Quote from: therealdaebat on May 28, 2013, 01:53 PM
Half of SNW sucks nutsack.
true. and the other half sucks ass
Quote from: Korea Rounding on May 28, 2013, 05:07 PM
Quote from: therealdaebat on May 28, 2013, 01:53 PM
Half of SNW sucks nutsack.
true. and the other half sucks ass
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Listen, every record Deftones have made is better that 90% of anything else out there including Saturday Night Wrist...
Chino and Abe both have been quoted that each album is the product of the space in time the band was in when it was recorded. Both saying that when recording SNW they did not put as much into the record as they had hoped. Drugs, seperation from each other and difficulty with Bob Ezrin and multiple producers were part of the mix when they created the record. Check the great Scuzz interview in the "Deftones pictures, interviews and magazine scans" thread. Really nice insight there...
Still love SNW, but it is what it is....Opinions are like assholes...everybodies got one.
Cheers!
Quote from: 976-EVIL on May 29, 2013, 04:08 AM
Listen, every record Deftones have made is better that 90% of anything else out there including Saturday Night Wrist...
yes exactly.
This one and Adrenaline were always my least favorite but for a month or so now I really enjoy, I mean I already enjoyed it to some extent but now I can listen to it without thinking about that time in my life. and the guitar riffs and tones are stellar as usual. combat and kimdracula all the way.
SNW is a great record with amazing songs.
Problem is mostly the production.
Chino's vocals are not at their best either.
SNW Sucks. This album is awful.
Quote from: God on May 30, 2013, 02:55 PM
SNW Sucks. This album is awful.
god loves record, actually.
It's a really good blues album, and chino's vocals are completely sullen and watery, just filled with pain, it's lovely when youre in the mood.
SNW is a dark sonic masterpiece. I don't understand the gripes about Beware's production; it's supposed to sound the way it does. They labored over that album for years. Do some of you honestly think they would release some shit-produced track right in the middle of their album?
Seriously?
Not surprised to see people divided on SNW. Deftones are without question one of the great polarizing bands of our time. Their fanbase can't ever really agree on anything, except that the band is fucking awesome. And that's really all you need to agree on anyway.
SNW is my favorite one right now.
SNW was where their creativity was in full bloom.
Quote from: bewareofrats on Jun 22, 2013, 08:21 PM
SNW was where their creativity was in full bloom.
whatever that means. it always has been.
SNW has some great songs but lacks cohesion and the production is shaky on certain songs
still bugs me on Reverie when chino twangs that note on his second to last strum.... I mean c'mon pfff
the production is probably there best, but yes I see on beware how people would complain, but that's because that production fits that song, one of my least favorite on the record anyway. the heavier songs probably have the most crisp production they've ever had which is saying a lot, because they've always had the best productions out there.
I think the album is pretty good...I'd probably rank it last in my lineup but "Hole In the Earth" is one of my favorite songs. Love "UUDDLRLRAB Select Start" as well. I think as someone else said it best when they said Pink Cellphone just gives the album a bad taste.
I still remember hearing SNW for the first time and when PC came on I was like "Huh?...sounds like the wrong track." I got through the first 2 minutes of the song and said ok not too bad and then we have maybe the weirdest lyrics or just speaking I have ever heard in a song.
Chino's part is good...but I hate the stupid dial-tone beat and the lyrics...I mean buttf*ck c'mon...at least Annie spoke it
Quote from: Zantera on May 21, 2013, 10:16 PM
I think DE and KNY has stronger songwriting, but SNW remains a really good album. I love the atmosphere on it, I just kinda wish they went a bit more "out there" with more songs like "U, U, D, D, L, R, L, R, A, B, Select, Start".
As a whole, I think SNW is a pretty strong album. Not sure how I would rank their albums, but I'd say the self-titled or Adrenaline is the worst. (Still great stuff though)
I think the opposite... I think Diamond Eyes is their weakest album, along with some of Self Titled. Saturday Night Wrist has more fleshed out ideas that tested their musicianship, like KNY and WP. The song structures really stand out, which I believe was a direct effect from Ezrin.
I still really love SNW. It's a masterpiece that captures the despair they were experiencing. It's just, awesome.
Alls the inclusion of ezrin did was make the record take too long, and make chino write more ballads, which is the reason I had a problem with the album in the first place. I think those songs are great but the Stef songs made me long for more of that.
I love Saturday Night Wrist, Beware was one of the first songs I heard from them and I was blown away by it, that's when I really started to love the band. Riviere is one of their most beautiful songs too, in my eyes. I don't get the hate for it either, but then, considering what they were all going through at that time, maybe some people can hear that in the music. I don't know, but they weren't in the best mindset as a band at that time.
And I agree with Robotsatemygrandma, I think Diamond Eyes is their weakest album, the only album I never really listen to.
Quote from: ANattyRat on Jul 07, 2013, 05:57 PM
And I agree with Robotsatemygrandma, I think Diamond Eyes is their weakest album, the only album I never really listen to.
I like DE but i rarely listen to it, usually just when i want Royal or TPID on.....
SNW is in my ears every other day. I think actually i have listened to Combat every day for like a year
Quote from: DJR on Jul 08, 2013, 09:40 PM
Quote from: ANattyRat on Jul 07, 2013, 05:57 PM
And I agree with Robotsatemygrandma, I think Diamond Eyes is their weakest album, the only album I never really listen to.
I think actually i have listened to Combat every day for like a year
not that obsessed
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Big ROY a.k.a The Great Roybino a.k.a Big Money Roy a.k.a 10 inch ROY wasn't aware there was such hate for SNW. I like every song off the album except Cherry Waves (don't like the chorus and Pink Cellphone. When I saw them in 2006 at Cleveland House of Blues they played a bunch of SNW including Rapture and Rats, Rats, Rats. The atmosphere those songs created was like no other. The four times I've seen them after i think I heard HITE and Kimdracula from SNW, very disapointing. Could it be it's the bands least liked album who knows.
One of my favourite albums of theirs, top 2 easily (it changes places with the Self Titled on an almost daily basis). I hear the hate, shrug it off as blind metalheads who won't listen to anything that isn't "hard." Hey, I'm a metalhead too, but I appreciate sheer talent. The vibe SNW gives is like no other, perfect album from start to finish. Rapture, Ratsx3, UUDDLRLRABSelectStart: enough said.
SNW is perhaps one of my favourite 2 albums. I can listen to it without getting tired or skipping songs, I think each of them has a vibe and a texture that compared to other Deftones albums it's just brilliant.
1. Hole in the Earth : Allright it has a crappy video but I think the vocals are spot on. Chi's bass kick ass all over the place. Damn, I miss Chi so much.
2. Rapture: The song to break some stuff in your room. I like Abe's work on this one.
3. Beware: Obscure and underrated song. I don't get the "sounds like a demo" thingy, I think this song in particular is specially mellow and dark, I love Chino's vocals and that synth (crickets + keys) in the background. "Cuz it's coming round" wow. Just wow. I think it's pretty minimalist and I love it.
4. Cherry Waves: High point in the record, the lyrics, the vocals, drums, guitar, bass, everything is perfect in this simple song. I play guitar and when I got this record it was the first song I learned to play. Many people understimate Frank's collaboration in many tracks, I always tell people to listen to these kinds of songs to understand how much texture and ambience he adds to the Deftones. Deftones without Frank is just not deftones. I love Chi's bass scale on this song, I can picture him playing this everytime I play this track.
5. Mein : There was a lot of criticism regarding this song, a lot of hate coming from the video and Serj participation in the chorus. I think Mein has a killer riff and Abe's drum are sick on this one. One of the most difficult tracks to play along playing drums for sure and keep up the tempo. If you don't believe me, go and try it. I hated the video just like everyone else and I don't see the "Deftones being deftones" as said in one interview (we got a bunch of friends and we just played along" or something like that, this song deserved a better video in my oppinion. I think it was a huge mistake to make this song the second single of the Album because it lacks the darkness of the rest.
6. UUDDLRLLRABSS: Chill-out atmosphere. This is what I like from many deftones albums, this sense of "let's chill, enjoy a beer or a bong or whatever and just lose yourself in music".
7. Xerces: In my opinion, highest peak in the record. The song sounds sad and relaxed, Chino's vocals are spot on, you just can feel everything in the ambience and if you've read about how difficult was for them to make this record, this song is just an example of how musicians can make you feel in the same way they were feeling through an specific situation. Again, Frank did it again, it may be subtle but it's there if you listen to it.
8. To cut a little bit with the relaxed songs, another kick ass song, I just love the tempo change and the chorus. Chino was struggling with spine-chilling screams? This is Chino with all his power baby! I love this song a lot.
9. Pink Cellphone: A lot of hate in this chilled and relaxed track, a nice groove, very very nocturnal. I can picture myself holding a drink in my hand, at night, watching girls dancing around. Annie's work is good, she thrown some ideas "on the run" and I think she fit perfect in this track.
10. Combat : second highest point in the record. Combat is just fucking awesome (pardon my french). I am highly disappointed that they do not play live this song because "we can't get it right live". Frank's intro is sick, puts you in the mood to enjoy this song to its fullest. The chorus, OMG, total badass. My second favourite SNW song and probably in my top 10 Deftones songs. Darkness everywhere.
11. Kimdracula: Totally dark, mellow, sad. Kimdracula is my favourite song in this album. Just the "I really wish these snakes were your arms", bro, I couldn't even think about coming up with a line like that. That's Chino's magic I guess. This song as a lot of meaning to me, personally, and I am very happy that they sometimes play it live. In my opinion this should have been the single of SNW, the atmosphere, the music, the vocals, everything fits, everything makes this song very special.
12. Riviere: I always said that Deftones close their albums with magic, Riviere is magic. Slow-tempo song with spot on vocals. It's like growing every second, until 01:45 when just explodes in your face. It's like the best song to close this album.
Overally, I think the album has cohesion, perhaps I am not expert in the subject but I know what I enjoy and like and in my opinion, SNW is an excellent album. Dark, relaxed, mellow, beautiful. I know the struggle the band faced while recording, personal issues, producer issues, everything, but I think this album reflects an era, reflects something that mybe only who have been in very dark places can relate to.
Thank you Deftones.
SNW is defenitely an overall better album than Self-titled for me. It has higher highs whereas Self-titled has no highs whatsoever.
I don't know I love the raw brutatility on songs like WGTB ,Bloody Cape and Needles and Pins, Also I love the dark tone of the album all the songs sound really emotionally raw, each song is really emotionally honest it's like from Deathblow onwards all optimism has been lost it probably will sound stupid but to me it's sort of like you're experiencing the thoughts of someones who lost everything and you're just seeing them go back and forwards between hating everyone and hating themselves, It's hard to match the sort of Atmosphere I think S/T has a lot more cohesive it's consistently dark and emotionally heavy, SNW is a lot more over the place due to the long time span.It's like in S/T the guys were unhappy but it brought them together and they made the music together whereas in SNW they were and unhappy but they especially Chino isolated themselves from one another and started to hate being around each other and the music reflected that separation.
SNW is a great album, just never got the respect it deserved. Not as good as self titled, but still a great album from the guys. Miles ahead of the excuse for a deftones album that is KNY.
Quote from: jbmp1390 on Aug 19, 2013, 09:40 PM
SNW is a great album, just never got the respect it deserved. Not as good as self titled, but still a great album from the guys. Miles ahead of the excuse for a deftones album that is KNY.
Too bad SNW has disasters like "Beware the Bad Production", "Mein" and "Pink Cellphone".
I really cannot see why everyone hates "Mein" so much.
Quote from: deftones47 on Aug 21, 2013, 01:15 AM
I really cannot see why everyone hates "Mein" so much.
for me it's Serj's part I like his voice but not in this song, the whole rolls along so well with the rolling lyrics and drum beat and then it just stops at his part, it's like they didn't know how to fit Serj in so they just went fuck it pause the song here just chuck serj's part in and then will continue.It like it was done without anythought for the surrounding song
I like Mein but yeah Serjs part is a bit odd and this album is awesome.
Quote from: people are people on Aug 21, 2013, 11:04 PM
I like Mein but yeah Serjs part is a bit odd and this album is awesome.
Yeah, the change to Serj's part is way too abrupt, and they don't really utilize him as much as they could have. He's got a nice range of stuff he can do vocally, and he's just lazily repeating 2 lines for a bit. Love Serj, but I'm not quite sure what he was doing on the song.
Quote from: Dath on Aug 25, 2013, 09:48 PM
Quote from: people are people on Aug 21, 2013, 11:04 PM
I like Mein but yeah Serjs part is a bit odd and this album is awesome.
they don't really utilize him as much as they could have. He's got a nice range of stuff he can do vocally, and he's just lazily repeating 2 lines for a bit. Love Serj, but I'm not quite sure what he was doing on the song.
I completely agree with you!
For me the albums on a scale from most awesome to most shitty are definitely:
01. Adrnealine
02. White Pony
03. Around The Fur
04. Koi No Yokan/Deftones (?)
05. Deftones/Koi No Yokan (?)
06. Diamond Eyes
07. Saturday Night Wrist
I haven't really listened to Saturday Night Wrist in a long time. Track for track I think it's a good album but I definitely get the vibe that it's pieced together, and Chino admits his vocals are incredibly strained. Deftones should learn how to key change so Chino can actually sing without straining his voice.
Been a fan since White Pony. SNW was the first album where the Deftones let me down. I know this might not be a popular opinion, but here's my breakdown:
1. HITE: very boring riff, Chino's vox are all sorts of strained
2. Rapture: a brutal, off-beat song (similar to Hexagram), but again super strained vocals. painful/harsh to listen to. not in a good way.
3. Beware: killer melody and vibe, love the crickets
4. Cherry: very cheesy song, strained vocals, annoying melody
5. Mein: a very generic, uninspired song
6. Konami: novel in the sense that no one's playing "their" instruments, but overall uninspired jam that they happened to record and release
7. Xerces: another cheesy song, weak lyrics
8. Rats: heavy for the sake of being heavy, the only redeeming part is the sound of chino shuttering/breathing at the very end - nice touch
9. Pink: one of my favs, love the vibe, super creepy
10. Combat: deftones at their finest, but intro's way too long and self-indulgent
11. Kim: again deftones at their finest
12. Riviere: lyrics tell a cool story, but overall an insipid composition that turns out to be a good closer to an equally uninspired album
Harsh words, I know. But really, this was the sound of a band falling apart.
Wow... was not seeing pink cellphone as a favorite.
I think we listened to different version of Riviere.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1. SNW/WP/ST (can never decide which one I like the best)
2. ATF
3. Adrenalin
4. KNY
5 DE
I think SNW is an awesome album, dont get how you can hate it and love DE for example, but whatever. SNW was probably their last album that actually had that raw deftones sound
Here's my breakdown of SNW. It sounds very harsh but I really, really disliked this album:
Hole In The Earth - Drums and ambiance / some of chino's singing reminds me of digital bath. Other than that this is where chino goes to that spacey singing. Production is crap in my opinion. Mostly on the vocals. A billion overdubs essentially make this unsingable live. I think it's a decent song but sounds nothing like their earlier work until the riff at the end.
Rapture - Another one with bad production. The guitar is pulled back too much to make room for the drums and vox. Reminds me of Street Carp. There are parts where Chino is forcing the screams. Overall I think this would be a great track if it had some decent production.
Beware - This one really got me excited when it came out. I think Chino could sing it better if he gave it another shot but that's essentially going to be the ongoing theme. Not horrible production on this one but not great. Too many overdubs like Hole In The Earth. As far as the song writing goes I think this one lacks a bit. Chorus is sang too many times and there's too much filler. The guys sure do know how to end a song though.
Cherry Waves - The acoustic version is a billion times better. The waning of Chino's voice makes me cringe. Too much trying to fix his singing with effects / overdubs. The 'you-ou-ou' stuff digs at my soul. Overall this song sounds nothing like deftones instrumentally. Can't stand the bass. Stef's guitar is on as usual. Reminds me of BQAD guitar.
Mein - Arggg. Much like most fans, I feel like this one just completely missed the mark. Not sure if they thought that the success of passenger would translate to this one or what but it just didn't not turn out well. The song was written to be way faster than the vocals Chino wrote. Serg's vocals just don't mesh well.
u,u,d,d,r,l,r,a,b,select,start - Filler. Not much going on here. I love the song but it's just not a deftones song imo.
Xerces - Ahh another spacey crosses / team sleep style song. I honestly don't have too much of a problem with this one. I'm not particular fond of that "goodbye" style singing but it works.
rats!rats!rats! - WAY too forced. Bass needs turned way up. Guitar is on as usual. I really dislike the way Chino sings on this one.
Pink Cellphone - This is one that I enjoy but it's another song that just doesn't belong on the album. Release it as a b-side.
Combat - Overall a great track but the production is shit again. Too many overdubs and Chino is off much like the rest of the album.
Kimdracula - Probably the best song on the album. Chino's voice is shot and just doesn't sound optimal but they squeezed out enough to finish it I guess.
Riviere - I love the guitar/bass on this track. Chino did a pretty decent job on the vocals on this one.
Final thoughts:
Chino really dropped the ball on this one and the production is very obviously lacking. They should have stuck with Terry Date. It's a really stark reminder of how dysfunctional the band was at this point. Here's a great step through with abe and chino about the recording of the album: youtu.be/LFZbzO5MYJo?t=25m
Quote from: therealdaebat on Dec 10, 2014, 06:29 PM
Cherry Waves - The acoustic version is a billion times better. The waning of Chino's voice makes me cringe. Too much trying to fix his singing with effects / overdubs. The 'you-ou-ou' stuff digs at my soul. Overall this song sounds nothing like deftones instrumentally. Can't stand the bass. Stef's guitar is on as usual. Reminds me of BQAD guitar.
What is it about the bass on Cherry Waves you don't like? In my opinion Chi nailed it on those verses.
Quote from: el perro on Dec 14, 2014, 11:41 PM
Quote from: therealdaebat on Dec 10, 2014, 06:29 PM
Cherry Waves - The acoustic version is a billion times better. The waning of Chino's voice makes me cringe. Too much trying to fix his singing with effects / overdubs. The 'you-ou-ou' stuff digs at my soul. Overall this song sounds nothing like deftones instrumentally. Can't stand the bass. Stef's guitar is on as usual. Reminds me of BQAD guitar.
What is it about the bass on Cherry Waves you don't like? In my opinion Chi nailed it on those verses.
I just hate that walking bass he's doing. The song in general just rubs me the wrong way. Not much much about it other than the ambiance that I enjoy.
I can't forget how almost everybody hated the fact of having another girl cover, the annoying crickets (put there on purpose to avoid "a good leak") on beware "the water" (demo name), the xerces demo video lyricless (wich was better without real vocals, at least that was what I first thought), the fact of having two versions (explicit and clean, I first got the clean one... Indeed it's the only one I have), the fucking PCP (it's a shame) and the SHITTY VIDEO PRODUCTION (HITE VIDEO IS A PIECE OF CRAP, WORST DEFTONES VIDEO EVER).
One of the least liked by me along with adrenaline, but awesome anyways. Man SNW era was great.
the annoying crickets (put there on purpose to avoid "a good leak") on beware "the water"
How would that avoid a good leak?
Quote from: therealdaebat on Dec 15, 2014, 02:58 PM
the annoying crickets (put there on purpose to avoid "a good leak") on beware "the water"
How would that avoid a good leak?
There was a first leak and you can hear them way much louder than the original. I'm not saying it was because of that, I just remember people saying that.
Quote from: Frankz0r on Dec 15, 2014, 03:06 PM
Quote from: therealdaebat on Dec 15, 2014, 02:58 PM
the annoying crickets (put there on purpose to avoid "a good leak") on beware "the water"
How would that avoid a good leak?
There was a first leak and you can hear them way much louder than the original. I'm not saying it was because of that, I just remember people saying that.
Ahh ok. I still have the demo version and I feel like it's pretty much the same song with just a few harmonies missing by Chino. Maybe I need to relisten.
Quote from: Frankz0r on Dec 15, 2014, 03:06 PM
Quote from: therealdaebat on Dec 15, 2014, 02:58 PM
the annoying crickets (put there on purpose to avoid "a good leak") on beware "the water"
How would that avoid a good leak?
There was a first leak and you can hear them way much louder than the original. I'm not saying it was because of that, I just remember people saying that.
Beware the Water was the first official unmixed track (Steph?) put up on MySpace. I remember people kept thinking the outro was the beginning of another song for whatever reason.
great release, fav tracks 'xerces' 'kimdracula' 'riviere'... rank it 1atr 2wp 3st 4ad <5snw> 6kny 7de