I love bands who are or at least seem real. On the other hand, the bands who seem fake only get my affection to some extent. The realness can for example come from staying through to your ideals and roots, doing what you want and doing it great. It can also just come from the sound or the appearance. Oddly enough, the fakeness can also come from the sound or the appearance. Most of the time though it seems to come from trying to please the mainstream audience or the record label too much - these two usually seem to go hand in hand too.
So what I want is that we'd show each other some real bands. Bands that are or once were very real. Post videos, quotes, your opinions, whatever you want to share to showcase a real band. You can also post one fake band at the end if you want. Heck, some people might like the fake one more than the real ones. The truth is that many fake bands make good music and are hugely popular, its just that something is missing with them for me and Im sure that many share that feeling.
I'll post some bands in a few.
Real and Good:
I'll start with Kingston Wall. They played psychedelic/progressive rock and were active in the early 90s until the singer/guitarist killed himself by jumping down from a church tower. Their music seems very real and they were amazing musicians.
http://youtu.be/BCBomvw2-UM (http://youtu.be/BCBomvw2-UM)
Tori Amos has always been close to my heart. Her piano, voice and fun compositions always felt real to me and still do. She has a huge following but seemingly she has not needed to sell out to stay in the spotlight.
http://youtu.be/KWmETxWM0h0 (http://youtu.be/KWmETxWM0h0)
The next one is Denali and with that Maura Davis. She has that strange realness in her. Despite never getting much success she doesnt seem to compromise and keeps being rather awesome with every project. I hope she doesnt quit and just keeps going. She can still make it.
http://youtu.be/-cnk_FouAEE (http://youtu.be/-cnk_FouAEE)
Fake but was Good:
Egypt Central. Haha, this band is probably one of the fakest seeming band that I've listened to. Their first album was cool, I guess they broke up after the second. Here's a music video of one of their songs. It pretty much shows what I mean about the fake. In this case the outlook is just somehow overdriven. They cleaned up their look for the second album which just seems to confirm the fakeness. I will pop this album on my MP3 player every once and then in the future for sure though.
http://youtu.be/lR4-hi-gyhU (http://youtu.be/lR4-hi-gyhU)
I like alot of NZ / Australian bands because they seem to be more genuine , and by that I mean they just seem to make the music they naturally would make if nobody else heard it. Bands like Karnivool,Decortica and Blindspott just seem to make music that appeals to a wide audience without sacrificing their individuality. I think bands are less effected by what's popular down here because even if they did conform to the trends the audience wouldn't be much bigger anyway. Also Beastwars from NZ is a band I've recently got into that have really got a lot of my respect they're middle aged guys but they still have a youthful passion for making music,They just make super heavy metal with powerful vocals and sludgy riffs ,it's nothing technical but they're are brutally heavy and the lead singer has an amazingly raw voice it sounds like he swallows gravel lol. their new album debuted at number two our charts aswell which is awesome for an uncomprisingly heavy band, and their album artwork is amazing its done by a guy who works for Weta Workshop.
http://youtu.be/0tTOctW3dF4 (http://youtu.be/0tTOctW3dF4)
seriously now, you must be working in tourism ;)
Haha yeah you'd think so, just seemed appropriate to give some local examples because I think we have alot here, I think it's because it's easier to be successful here without catering to what's popular, metal always does super well here alot of albums have peaked in NZ we have a big bogan community, bogans are like people who like metal and have mullets lol.
Jane's Addiction - Then She Did {Live In Milan} 10-11-90 [HQ] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O_9aAdAbWk#)
This is as real as it gets for me :)
Beastwars sounds badass!
Quote from: Crazylegs on May 25, 2013, 10:54 AM
Beastwars sounds badass!
Yeah they just released a new album like a month ago, the whole albums great I'm into this song at the moment especially from about 3:30 onwards.
http://youtu.be/mYdVepNibuk (http://youtu.be/mYdVepNibuk)
As far as work ethic, live performance philosophy and a pure "not-giving-a-fuck" attitude, The Dillinger Escape Plan comes to mind.
You may not like the music, but they're as real as it gets.
I don't really get the definition of "fake", are you talking about bands who changed their sound to try to make something different? I mean if anything, making the same album over and over again gets boring.
But maybe I just misunderstood your definition of "fake", but I can't really think of much that I would put under it. Artists who make music just for the money but has no interest in the artistic side of it, maybe?
Quote from: Zantera on May 25, 2013, 05:11 PM
I don't really get the definition of "fake", are you talking about bands who changed their sound to try to make something different? I mean if anything, making the same album over and over again gets boring.
But maybe I just misunderstood your definition of "fake", but I can't really think of much that I would put under it. Artists who make music just for the money but has no interest in the artistic side of it, maybe?
It can be any of those things. Some bands feel fake (as in not real or genuine) because they change their sound to fit the current trend. Some keep their realness while doing so. Some keep doing the same album again and again and some feel that its fake. Some on the other hand pretty much make the same thing again and again but feel as real as it gets.
So whats real or fake is really in the eye of the beholder. Though the real/fake comparison should be probably changed to just who's real.
Korn is probably a good example of a band who felt so real back in 1995 but less than 10 years later started to feel more or less feel like a bad joke.
theis, the guy in the middle of that QOTSA picture looks a lot like Jon Theodore. He in the band now or what?
Edit. Checked out some live stuff with Jon now, cool, didnt expect to see that coming.
Quote from: DJR on May 25, 2013, 10:30 AM
Jane's Addiction - Then She Did {Live In Milan} 10-11-90 [HQ] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O_9aAdAbWk#)
This is as real as it gets for me :)
Oh hell yes. A more real band you'll have to search for. Jane's Addiction will always do whatever the fuck they want to, and it's always pure emotion. Thank you for posting this video. This song will always make me fill me with sadness, but in a good way. The original title, "Then She Died...", says it all.
The only big and true band in these days is Tool they are the greatest band ever,They don't give in to trends, they consistently make music that doesn't deviate from their core style, but doesn't sound exactly like the album before it. In a time where 90% of music sounds the same, Tool maintains their unique sound while building on their style and producing music and lyrics that inspire and promote thought.
They are a very unique band to see live also.The Zen-inflected, life, art and beauty affirming lyrics and the grappling with one of the central enigmas of human existence makes this band stand out. I could write interpretations about any song of Tool with convincing arguments. And as always with Tool, the way the music and lyrics combine to resonate like a tsunami with the ocean floor on a level that neither could achieve alone are what makes Tool the best band ever. They are perfect, All members of Tool are genius,Tool is the definition of the evolution of the human being, they are in higher form of energy and i could write a beautiful text (not cliche) and share the best interviews ever but i will only share some things because everything about Tool is perfect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKce3DTf_o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKce3DTf_o)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwWJnfbWUA0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwWJnfbWUA0)
The Most Hilarious and Informative Moments of MJK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo4HvubOZdw#)
i really can post much better stuff but this comment its already big and nothing of this make justice to TOOL
i will share just the best screams EVER huahuaha
Maynard James Keenan Best Screams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6tKKp4ZUYg#ws)
An bád dubh i agree with you about Tori Amos i love her and guess what
GOD MAYNARD and Tori Amos
Tori Amos feat. Maynard James Keenan - Muhammad, my friend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64LnAIC9RWo#)
p.s:There's no such thing as a "best band of all time."
DEFTONES4EVER
I'm a big fan of Tool but they've only put out 4 full albums in 23 years. I think to be call a band the best in the world they would need to have a wider discography, they maintain the illusion of longevity because they take like 6 years between albums I want to see how many new ideas they've got when there on their 7th album, that would be a true test of longevity.
How can you say that you are a big fan of Tool? Sticking Feathers Up your Butt Does Not Make You A Chicken.
First they put records in 4 or 5 or 6 years because they try progresses people, like not just musically, but like really evolve them, take themselves to a different level and then they recombine 4 or 5 years to make a album, you know, hopping that the progression of people connects to their music.
If this doesn't make sense to you because you are a poser. i can say things in this way
did you see the interview about why Maynard James Keenan Turned to Wine Making? how can he be focus on Tool. He have A Perfect Circle and Puscifer. do you really think that Maynard and Tool will someday be with lack of ideas. please...
Only a noob say this.
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on May 26, 2013, 02:22 AM
I'm a big fan of Tool but they've only put out 4 full albums in 23 years. I think to be call a band the best in the world they would need to have a wider discography, they maintain the illusion of longevity because they take like 6 years between albums I want to see how many new ideas they've got when there on their 7th album, that would be a true test of longevity.
I just said the true test of a band is time, they've been around a long time but not actively, most bands can do 4 good albums the true test of a bands ability comes when they're on their 7th or 8th it's then when you truly see if they can still produce something new and exciting. I am a big fan of Tool and I'm sorry if you have delusionally elevated the Tool guys to something ascendant of the human race but the fact is they are just humans like everyone else thus they have to cope with the creative hurdles all musicians face. Also APC's last album was 9 years ago and Puscifier does fuck all their last release only had 7 songs and like 4 of those were remixes done by other people so that's not an excuse either.
Man i only don't like when you say you are a big fan of Tool and say this complete Bullshit...Tool Discography Includes: 10,000 Days, aenima, Opiate, Salival, Undertow, Lateralus, Toolshed,
they have 4studio albums...i didn't delusionally elevated the Tool guys to something ascendant of the human race...Tool did...They already prove what they are in all this years and the message that they want pass ,if you don't see in that way ok...if you really believe in that bullshit
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on May 26, 2013, 04:02 AM
I just said the true test of a band is time, they've been around a long time but not actively, most bands can do 4 good albums the true test of a bands ability comes when they're on their 7th or 8th it's then when you truly see if they can still produce something new and exciting.
Its okay if you disagree with me, i can`t force you the be right. up your facts straight. poser.
Quote from: theis on May 25, 2013, 11:35 AM
As far as work ethic, live performance philosophy and a pure "not-giving-a-fuck" attitude, The Dillinger Escape Plan comes to mind.
You may not like the music, but they're as real as it gets.
They're who instantly came to mind for me, too. That attitude, on top of the music, is what makes them one of my absolute favorite bands.
I'm aware of the demo's and ep's but I don't count live albums or demo's as full albums. and Wider does not refer to the number of records but the range, they haven't really tried much new stuff during the 24 years and what really bothers me is that they have a lot of filler on their albums just on Aenima alone you have "Message to Harry Manback" "Intermission""Cesaro Summability" and "(-)Ions" it's just to many filler tracks for an album and it stops the cohesion of the album. I am a big fan of Tool I just don't think they've really tested themselves out and it annoys me because their great musicians but they don't seem to want to get out of their comfort zone and mix up their style.
I just think that yeah you are a fan,but you are not connected emotionally,its like you are not in this cosmic vibe that tool creates,i can understand that you don't consider the live cds full albums,understand that bothers you the fillers in the albums. but at-least,i am sure you are aware this things create the mystic of tool, the live cds with different meanings and lyrics like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgDwkSlCwHw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgDwkSlCwHw)
This is insane.
I really cant feel what you say..."they don't seem to want to get out of their comfort zone and mix up their style"
like i said they consistently make music that doesn't deviate from their core style, but doesn't sound exactly like the album before it.Tool maintains their unique sound while building on their style and producing music and lyrics that inspire and promote thought. i don't know what say. we both agree that they are really good artist, but we analyze in a different way... ;)
Yeah I love that version, Tool for me is like the modern equivalent of Pink Floyd and I would just like to see them fully immerse themselves in the music, I think if they dropped the winery and all that extra stuff they would be able to get together as a unit more, and with them all together left with nothing but the music to focus on I know they could make something truly amazing. I'm really looking forward to the new album, I think they may nail this one I know it'll be good but I'm worried about filler again, I don't mind them taking their time on it but when it takes 6 years it's hard to accept filler.
hahah you really hate fillers ;D. personally, i love them check this. (i don't consider this song a filler but many tool fans do)
Normal (you can listen only because its Tool the greatest band ever :P)
Tool- Intension with lyrics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsgpgbqur9M#ws)
Reversed (But this is the point)
Tool Subliminal Message (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLV-CEZa1Pk#)
you know its like "retarded shits" and "mites"...but is funny, you know,Charles Manson favorite track is the filler revolution 9 of Beatles
and when you hear reversed LOL
Revolution 9 Backmask (backwards) by The Beatles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG0wksBzKSc#)
I know that everything can be manipulated...but it's always fun (for me)... Like the fillers in Tool, i Know that have something behind,something special...anyway,we want another Tool album.Period.
Matthew Good, about the realest musician I know of.
Fated - Matt Good (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezSFE72qXI#)
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Quote from: DJR on May 25, 2013, 10:30 AM
Jane's Addiction - Then She Did {Live In Milan} 10-11-90 [HQ] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O_9aAdAbWk#)
This is as real as it gets for me :)
Oh hell yes. A more real band you'll have to search for. Jane's Addiction will always do whatever the fuck they want to, and it's always pure emotion. Thank you for posting this video. This song will always make me fill me with sadness, but in a good way. The original title, "Then She Died...", says it all.
YES! I get really emotional over that song in-particular, such a pretty lovely beginning and then boom right into deep but atmospheric stuff! Perry to me is a true legend! They and Perry just do what they want and don't give a shit! Cannot wait for the new album this year. People weren't too impressed with The Great Escape Artist i think it was fantastic all the way through...but he said it will be completely different sounding! Janess all the wayyyyy
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Jane's Addiction - Then She Did {Live In Milan} 10-11-90 [HQ] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O_9aAdAbWk#)
This is as real as it gets for me :)
Oh hell yes. A more real band you'll have to search for. Jane's Addiction will always do whatever the fuck they want to, and it's always pure emotion. Thank you for posting this video. This song will always make me fill me with sadness, but in a good way. The original title, "Then She Died...", says it all.
YES! I get really emotional over that song in-particular, such a pretty lovely beginning and then boom right into deep but atmospheric stuff! Perry to me is a true legend! They and Perry just do what they want and don't give a shit! Cannot wait for the new album this year. People weren't too impressed with The Great Escape Artist i think it was fantastic all the way through...but he said it will be completely different sounding! Janess all the wayyyyy
Holy shit, I hadn't heard there will be a new album! That's fantastic. I too loved The Great Escape Artist. Strays was good, but not nearly as good as the old classics. Artist was a whole new sound, but still hasda lot of classic Jane's in mood and atmosphere. Twisted Tales is probably one of my all-time favorite Jane's songs by now. Really curious in this new album!
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Jane's Addiction - Then She Did {Live In Milan} 10-11-90 [HQ] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O_9aAdAbWk#)
This is as real as it gets for me :)
Oh hell yes. A more real band you'll have to search for. Jane's Addiction will always do whatever the fuck they want to, and it's always pure emotion. Thank you for posting this video. This song will always make me fill me with sadness, but in a good way. The original title, "Then She Died...", says it all.
YES! I get really emotional over that song in-particular, such a pretty lovely beginning and then boom right into deep but atmospheric stuff! Perry to me is a true legend! They and Perry just do what they want and don't give a shit! Cannot wait for the new album this year. People weren't too impressed with The Great Escape Artist i think it was fantastic all the way through...but he said it will be completely different sounding! Janess all the wayyyyy
Holy shit, I hadn't heard there will be a new album! That's fantastic. I too loved The Great Escape Artist. Strays was good, but not nearly as good as the old classics. Artist was a whole new sound, but still hasda lot of classic Jane's in mood and atmosphere. Twisted Tales is probably one of my all-time favorite Jane's songs by now. Really curious in this new album!
I think Twisted Tales is one of my all time fave songs by anyone at the moment! Special special record i think!
And yeah Navarro and Perry said they had written about 80 songs or something for Artist, but just scrapped them all that weren't used, and they started writing for the new record late last year. Supposedly from certain sources its even at mastering stage. So could be out late autumn early winter :D
Oh and this right here is the real deal
Nine Inch Nails - The Becoming (Still) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDfyR22u_gI#)
Quote from: DJR on May 27, 2013, 06:29 PM
And yeah Navarro and Perry said they had written about 80 songs or something for Artist, but just scrapped them all that weren't used, and they started writing for the new record late last year. Supposedly from certain sources its even at mastering stage. So could be out late autumn early winter :D
That is awesome. I can hardly contain my excitement :D 80 songs sounds like a ridiculous amount. Knowing Jane's, at least half of those were fucking great too.
Nothing's Shocking and Ritual De Lo Habitual are both amazing albums, and I love both. I really enjoyed the latest one (and Straws was OK I guess), but none of them were on par with the old stuff. I really wish the band would make more experimental and longer songs, my two favorite songs by them would be Three Days and Ted, Just Admit It, and both are pretty long and epic. The last two albums only really have songs in the 3-4 minute range.
Yeah they have definitely taken a more (dare I say) pop-oriented route with the last two albums, and I can also miss the long epic stuff. But they've also always been great at making these short in-your-face rockers, and that's what they still do imo. Man, I want to see them live again. Saw them back when they re-united before Straws and once when on tour for straws. Such an amazing live band.
Quote from: Jacob on May 27, 2013, 10:23 PM
Yeah they have definitely taken a more (dare I say) pop-oriented route with the last two albums, and I can also miss the long epic stuff. But they've also always been great at making these short in-your-face rockers, and that's what they still do imo. Man, I want to see them live again. Saw them back when they re-united before Straws and once when on tour for straws. Such an amazing live band.
You two must both have the same predictive text or auto correct on for "Straws" instead of "Strays" lol!
I have never had the pleasure of seeing them live, i was supposed to at Reading/Leeds Fest 2 years ago, but about an hour before they were due to come on Dave announced it was cancelled due to Perry having a bad throat :( And there was no chance of me making a London gig as it sold out within a few hours!
Haha, I must have mistyped that after reading Zantera's post. I know very well it's called Strays and I'm typing on my pc keyboard.
That's a shame, here's hoping they come to Europe again. First time I saw them was actually in London. Must've been around 2002. I crashed on some guy's couch I met at a Jane's Addiction forum. It was pretty epic.
Quote from: Jacob on May 28, 2013, 04:31 PM
Haha, I must have mistyped that after reading Zantera's post. I know very well it's called Strays and I'm typing on my pc keyboard.
That's a shame, here's hoping they come to Europe again. First time I saw them was actually in London. Must've been around 2002. I crashed on some guy's couch I met at a Jane's Addiction forum. It was pretty epic.
I know dude! :)
That sounds ace!...Did they play anything off Strays? (Im guessing it was that tour?) because most of the time now its the first 2 albums with Just Because, Irresistible Force and End To The Lies thrown in the setlist :/
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Haha, I must have mistyped that after reading Zantera's post. I know very well it's called Strays and I'm typing on my pc keyboard.
That's a shame, here's hoping they come to Europe again. First time I saw them was actually in London. Must've been around 2002. I crashed on some guy's couch I met at a Jane's Addiction forum. It was pretty epic.
I know dude! :)
That sounds ace!...Did they play anything off Strays? (Im guessing it was that tour?) because most of the time now its the first 2 albums with Just Because, Irresistible Force and End To The Lies thrown in the setlist :/
No no, this was before Strays. Well, they played Hypersonic (or an early version of it).
The setlist can be seen here: http://janesaddiction.org/tour/show/janes-addiction/2002-08-19/827/ (http://janesaddiction.org/tour/show/janes-addiction/2002-08-19/827/)
Perry's mic went out for the whole first verse or so of Whores, and I was fucking pissed. My favorite song at the time and I couldn't believe when I finally got to see it performed in front of me I couldn't hear the vocals.
Second time I saw them, in 2003 in Stockholm, they had released Strays. Here's that setlist: http://janesaddiction.org/tour/show/janes-addiction/2003-10-22/921/ (http://janesaddiction.org/tour/show/janes-addiction/2003-10-22/921/)
They've always been a bit lame when it comes to setlists, always playing the same old songs and rarely changing things up. But who cares, they're great songs.
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Quote from: Jacob on May 28, 2013, 04:31 PM
Haha, I must have mistyped that after reading Zantera's post. I know very well it's called Strays and I'm typing on my pc keyboard.
That's a shame, here's hoping they come to Europe again. First time I saw them was actually in London. Must've been around 2002. I crashed on some guy's couch I met at a Jane's Addiction forum. It was pretty epic.
I know dude! :)
That sounds ace!...Did they play anything off Strays? (Im guessing it was that tour?) because most of the time now its the first 2 albums with Just Because, Irresistible Force and End To The Lies thrown in the setlist :/
No no, this was before Strays. Well, they played Hypersonic (or an early version of it).
The setlist can be seen here: http://janesaddiction.org/tour/show/janes-addiction/2002-08-19/827/ (http://janesaddiction.org/tour/show/janes-addiction/2002-08-19/827/)
Perry's mic went out for the whole first verse or so of Whores, and I was fucking pissed. My favorite song at the time and I couldn't believe when I finally got to see it performed in front of me I couldn't hear the vocals.
Second time I saw them, in 2003 in Stockholm, they had released Strays. Here's that setlist: http://janesaddiction.org/tour/show/janes-addiction/2003-10-22/921/ (http://janesaddiction.org/tour/show/janes-addiction/2003-10-22/921/)
They've always been a bit lame when it comes to setlists, always playing the same old songs and rarely changing things up. But who cares, they're great songs.
Still look great gigs! Did you ever have the pleasure of seeing Porno For Pyros or Satellite Party? I saw Party at Download one year, so i've seen Perry live, just not Janes :/
I was pretty tired when I wrote mine, but yeah.. Strays and not Straws obviously. :P
I really hope their next album has a mix of longer/experimental songs and shorter, but I feel like they have gone towards more shorter songs, and I somehow doubt they'll make more songs over 5-6 minutes.
DJR, no haven't seen any of those but would have loved to see Porno For Pyros. I love their albums and they put on great live shows.
Btw, it looks like Jane's will also make a musical this year. Now that sounds interesting.
Quote from: Jacob on May 30, 2013, 02:22 PM
DJR, no haven't seen any of those but would have loved to see Porno For Pyros. I love their albums and they put on great live shows.
Btw, it looks like Jane's will also make a musical this year. Now that sounds interesting.
yeah i read that somewhere....i dont know quite what to expect from that lol
My bad!... I forgot to share what is arguably the most emotional performance ever done
A true loss to the world...easily over the likes of Cobain and co.
Jeff Buckley - Mojo Pin Live at Glastonbury 1995 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK9CSRQUxDg#)
Buckley... yes...
So amazing.
Matthew Good - While We Were Hunting Rabbits (with my art) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMSyyqyxsa0#)
From about 4:00 to 5:15, amazing emotional performance.
Quote from: An bád dubh on May 25, 2013, 08:39 AM
I love bands who are or at least seem real. On the other hand, the bands who seem fake only get my affection to some extent. The realness can for example come from staying through to your ideals and roots, doing what you want and doing it great. It can also just come from the sound or the appearance. Oddly enough, the fakeness can also come from the sound or the appearance. Most of the time though it seems to come from trying to please the mainstream audience or the record label too much - these two usually seem to go hand in hand too.
So what I want is that we'd show each other some real bands. Bands that are or once were very real. Post videos, quotes, your opinions, whatever you want to share to showcase a real band. You can also post one fake band at the end if you want. Heck, some people might like the fake one more than the real ones. The truth is that many fake bands make good music and are hugely popular, its just that something is missing with them for me and Im sure that many share that feeling.
I'll post some bands in a few.
The description makes sense and seems fair
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZWMy-MGCjs&pp=ygUYY2hyaXN0aWFuIG9ydGhvZG94IG1ldGF (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZWMy-MGCjs&pp=ygUYY2hyaXN0aWFuIG9ydGhvZG94IG1ldGF)
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