Confirmed in two new Chino interviews about Crosses:
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140109/ENT04/301090005/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140109/ENT04/301090005/)
http://www.theoaklandpress.com/arts-and-entertainment/20140110/chino-moreno-puts-his-faith-in-new-band-crosses (http://www.theoaklandpress.com/arts-and-entertainment/20140110/chino-moreno-puts-his-faith-in-new-band-crosses)
I really wouldn't mind them taking their time with this one. I guess it will come out in 2015?
not necessary at this point imo, should focus on his side projects which are infinitely better than the last two deftones albums
I'd rather see a new Deftones album than a new Palms or Crosses release, so I disagree with the above comment.
Although I'm impatient with new music from bands I love, I wouldn't mind them taking their time. As long as they make an album in a united, positive way, I think it's cool how long they take. I don't think it necessarily improves the music, though. If they're in the zone, they're in the zone.
I hope we will hear Steph shreddin' and maybe some solo's.
I think the album may be abit more electronic this time around, it's all just speculation of course but I can see Frank having more of a presence, I think it'll be powerchords as usual from Stef and I don't see Sergio doing anything drastically different to usual,Abe will be tight as usual but he might also start incorporating electric drum pads and midi controllers, Chino's a bit of a mystery though I don't know if he will go more upbeat or let out some supressed feelings about Chi's death and make some real dark stuff, it's hard to tell but I'd say Chi's death will influence the music in some way regardless but it could be possible they have some darker feelings that may come out in the studio, even though they say Chi's in a better place it's pretty common for people who have lost someone in that fashion to sort of get bitter about why it had to happen and the unfairness of it all, it could be one of those cases where they all get back together in the studio and the reality hits that Chi's never coming back and all emotions just come out, it's like how when someone dies you can be fine but then when the first birthday or christmas comes around when their not there it really hits you, there must be a certain sad finality about doing an album now Chi's gone.
to me, KNY was a sad farewell, i dont knot if i could be interested in something more.
Quote from: cvthedrv on Jan 12, 2014, 02:31 PM
to me, KNY was a sad farewell, i dont knot if i could be interested in something more.
I know to some people it may seem like they have gone down hill but if that was me I still wouldn't want them to stop making music i'd rather have some chance to hear some new stuff I like than no chance at all, end of the day if you don't like it theres no harm just go thats not for me and listen to the stuff you prefer but if you do like the new stuff it's great, It can be different for some bands but I don't think deftones are embarassing themselves or killing their legacy like some bands do it's just a new direction that doesn't click with some of the old audience.
Quote from: Capt Snow on Jan 12, 2014, 10:40 AM
I hope we will hear Steph shreddin' and maybe some solo's.
No thanks.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Jan 12, 2014, 03:28 PM
Quote from: Capt Snow on Jan 12, 2014, 10:40 AM
I hope we will hear Steph shreddin' and maybe some solo's.
No thanks.
Not a fan of the idead either I always liked Stefs simple style, he was the one who made me actually get a guitar I'd always wanted to play but was intimated by hendrix like players but Stef proved I could still make awesome music without the complex stuff, all that said I wouldn't care if he went back to some faster Adrenaline style riffs.
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Jan 12, 2014, 10:59 AM
I think the album may be abit more electronic this time around, it's all just speculation of course but I can see Frank having more of a presence, I think it'll be powerchords as usual from Stef and I don't see Sergio doing anything drastically different to usual,Abe will be tight as usual but he might also start incorporating electric drum pads and midi controllers, Chino's a bit of a mystery though I don't know if he will go more upbeat or let out some supressed feelings about Chi's death and make some real dark stuff, it's hard to tell but I'd say Chi's death will influence the music in some way regardless but it could be possible they have some darker feelings that may come out in the studio, even though they say Chi's in a better place it's pretty common for people who have lost someone in that fashion to sort of get bitter about why it had to happen and the unfairness of it all, it could be one of those cases where they all get back together in the studio and the reality hits that Chi's never coming back and all emotions just come out, it's like how when someone dies you can be fine but then when the first birthday or christmas comes around when their not there it really hits you, there must be a certain sad finality about doing an album now Chi's gone.
sounds good. Personally, I see this next album most comparable to SNW, the mixing of numerous different ideals, themes and sounds, minus the tension within the band, however. they went happy and upbeat in Diamond Eyes, a little more experimental and spacey in KNY, so i guess if not a mixture then i wouldn't really know what to expect.
It'll certainly be interesting to see what happens. I can't predict any sort of direction I see them going currently. Sadly the days of daring stylistic changes from album to album seem to be gone as KNY wasn't a huge departure from DE. I see it being a continuation of KNY with the intros and outros and spacier aesthetics. Either way with more Palms music in the works, Crosses going strong, Team Sleep (or a project involving members of) starting to re-emerge and new Deftones, we'll have a whole lot of new music to discuss in the coming 2 years or so.
By new music to discuss you mean new music to relentlessly barrage and shame each other over, right? Lol, long live SharingLungs :P!
Much respect,
-Matt
Chino lives in Oregon, now? Anyone know where? I live in Portland.
Why wouldn't you want a new Deftones album? Even if you don't like the whole thing, every one of them has at least a few new tracks to add to their "best of" collection. KNY, while far from their best album, had Rosemary and Poltergeist on it and both are amazing. While I liked DE even less than KNY, and probably would never choose to listen to 976-Evil or This Place Is Death, you better believe I crank that shit up when Royal or Rocket Skates come on. I personally loved SNW, but most people don't... and eve so I bet we could all name at least 2 badass songs from that album (I mean come on.. Riviere? Ratsx3??). There's even crazy people who don't much care for the Self Titled (mostly White Pony fanboys), but I bet they'll jam to at least Hexagram or Bloody Cape.
Point is, even if the album doesn't stack up to their best material.. all I need at 2 awesome songs to make a Deftones album worth it for me. That, and it's still better than 90% of the shit new bands put out.
exactly that's why I don't really worry about Deftones making new albums because I know that what ever they do I will like atleast a couple of the songs.
I honestly don't believe that Deftones could pull out an album which I won't like. None of the released albums was a let down for me, I genuinely love each one of them.
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Jan 13, 2014, 05:46 AM
Why wouldn't you want a new Deftones album? Even if you don't like the whole thing, every one of them has at least a few new tracks to add to their "best of" collection. KNY, while far from their best album, had Rosemary and Poltergeist on it and both are amazing. While I liked DE even less than KNY, and probably would never choose to listen to 976-Evil or This Place Is Death, you better believe I crank that shit up when Royal or Rocket Skates come on. I personally loved SNW, but most people don't... and eve so I bet we could all name at least 2 badass songs from that album (I mean come on.. Riviere? Ratsx3??). There's even crazy people who don't much care for the Self Titled (mostly White Pony fanboys), but I bet they'll jam to at least Hexagram or Bloody Cape.
Point is, even if the album doesn't stack up to their best material.. all I need at 2 awesome songs to make a Deftones album worth it for me. That, and it's still better than 90% of the shit new bands put out.
2 Songs? Why not put out an EP then? It's when bands start settling for 2 solid songs and a handful of crap ones that I completely lose interest. A good example of this (different style, for sure) is Muse. I stopped listening to them after
The Origin of Symmetry for this very reason. If you are going to put out an album, your fan-base (your REAL fan-base) would appreciate the fact that you aren't just trying to make a dollar but that you are truly using music as a means to creating art.
If 2 songs is all that "stand out" on an album, I'm
okay with that. However, I'd prefer the rest of the songs to at least by memorable (to me, at least) in their own right. There are VERY few Deftones songs that I can just write off and forget.
I think Deftones are always aiming for a whole album of solid songs, illThrowRocks was just saying even if he only gets a few songs he likes from it then it hasn't been a waste of time, with Deftones aswell the songs that don't click aren't neccesarily bad in the normal sense because they have a funny way of clicking with different people, for the songs that aren't clicking with you there are still people who think those tracks are amazing.
NZ has it right. I wasn't saying I only like 2 songs off the albums. I actually rather liked KNY,though it's not my favorite. I was putting things into perspective for those who say that they don't like the new direction of music. Basically, we can all find at least a couple songs we like, even if we don't care for the whole thing. I don't see Deftones as a band that produces much "filler," but not everything clicks with us all. And what doesn't click with us will click with other fans, even bringing in a new generation of Tones fans into the fold (like my 15 year old nephew) who inevitably dig deeper and discover their older albums as well.
I don't think them continuing has or will tarnish their legacy, I say keep the good music coming.
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Jan 14, 2014, 04:36 PM
NZ has it right. I wasn't saying I only like 2 songs off the albums. I actually rather liked KNY,though it's not my favorite. I was putting things into perspective for those who say that they don't like the new direction of music. Basically, we can all find at least a couple songs we like, even if we don't care for the whole thing. I don't see Deftones as a band that produces much "filler," but not everything clicks with us all. And what doesn't click with us will click with other fans, even bringing in a new generation of Tones fans into the fold (like my 15 year old nephew) who inevitably dig deeper and discover their older albums as well.
I don't think them continuing has or will tarnish their legacy, I say keep the good music coming.
Gotcha. Sustained.
The albums post-Chi have definitely been "different" than past albums,...maybe a little bit more tangible than the rest. But this is not necessarily a bad thing--like you said, this likely brings in a new generation of fans and makes the Deftones fanbase stronger.
And agreed; the members of this band have the skill and vision to put out material with enough quality to even satisfy their old fans....so I'm with you, they will continue to make great music and I trust them.
I have to agree with whoever said they want the band to take their time with this one. As much as I liked KNY, some of the songs really could've used some more time to be fleshed out and strengthened (no specific examples come to mind at the moment, but I felt they really overused certain choruses and riffs in some of the songs and I know they can do better). For me, I'd definitely welcome some more experimental stuff akin to Rosemary, alongside their traditional sound. I know a lot of people don't really like DE and KNY, but I really think they've found a groove that works for them lately and I have faith in whatever they put out next.
Also, Chino needs to fucking scream a little more if he can.
I wonder who the producer will be they've have said they intended to work with Terry date again I wonder if this will be the album they work with him again, that'd be awesome if it was.
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Jan 15, 2014, 04:31 AM
I wonder who the producer will be they've have said they intended to work with Terry date again I wonder if this will be the album they work with him again, that'd be awesome if it was.
Yes, please. And also for more stuff a la Rosemary. Easily my favorite song from the last 3 albums.
Quote from: FlyingPiranha on Jan 15, 2014, 02:38 AM
Also, Chino needs to fucking scream a little more if he can.
That's probably my only gripe with KNY, I would use a bit more screaming. I think KNY really touched on something great, but something's missing and some screaming is part of that. It was multiple times better than DE was, because there were no songs on KNY I "didn't like," but sometimes I felt like certain songs were just "ok," or that there was just something missing to really push it over the edge to greatness. I think this next album will be even better, though, and my hopes are high.
2 more hours
'Til What?
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Jan 15, 2014, 04:31 AM
I wonder who the producer will be they've have said they intended to work with Terry date again I wonder if this will be the album they work with him again, that'd be awesome if it was.
Something has always told me the Terry Date and Deftones have one more Album in them.
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Jan 15, 2014, 06:49 PM
Quote from: FlyingPiranha on Jan 15, 2014, 02:38 AM
Also, Chino needs to fucking scream a little more if he can.
That's probably my only gripe with KNY, I would use a bit more screaming. I think KNY really touched on something great, but something's missing and some screaming is part of that. It was multiple times better than DE was, because there were no songs on KNY I "didn't like," but sometimes I felt like certain songs were just "ok," or that there was just something missing to really push it over the edge to greatness. I think this next album will be even better, though, and my hopes are high.
yeah i agree qp. the "ok" grade songs for me are gauze, goon squad, and tempest on a borderline(goon squad's intro is awesome, however)
Quote from: FlyingPiranha on Jan 15, 2014, 02:38 AM
Also, Chino needs to fucking scream a little more if he can.
LOL
I hope they get some guests on the new album, last time was SNW
I want to hear more from Frank like in White Pony (Digital Bath, Change, Korea). I like what he brings to the band, but I love those atmospheric sounds he brought to that album.
I do love their dark music, too, but I think that's long gone. Maybe a song or two, but I don't believe we'll ever get another self-titled album. I'm OK with that, I'd rather hate their music and them be cool than for them to be in a terrible place to create amazing music.
I also think the days of screaming-Chino are quite over. I think he's mostly tired of it now, and I don't think he can physically do it as well as he could. So that's kind of sad, but it's life. At the same time, with Crosses and Palms and another(?) side-project with soft, mellow music, there is the possibility that he'll use Deftones as a means to bring forth a heavier, more aggressive side again.
Who knows? But I haven't hated a single Deftones album yet, so I'm not worried.
If Chino won't scream then I'll take him singing ala The Boy's Republic, Moana, Mascara, etc.
The boys will probably call up Nick Rasculinecz, but I'm pretty sure they have one more in them with Terry Date.
http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/features/38128/Deftones-New-album-Big-Day-Out-and-Eros (http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/features/38128/Deftones-New-album-Big-Day-Out-and-Eros)
Not a lot of news, but I guess they haven't done any real writing for the new album. Also, it seems like any thoughts about Eros being released are gone again.
Much respect,
-Matt
Quote from: Jesus2Chino on Jan 19, 2014, 05:27 AM
http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/features/38128/Deftones-New-album-Big-Day-Out-and-Eros (http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/features/38128/Deftones-New-album-Big-Day-Out-and-Eros)
Not a lot of news, but I guess they haven't done any real writing for the new album. Also, it seems like any thoughts about Eros being released are gone again.
Much respect,
-Matt
Not even to the questions part of the interview and he has already called him Sergio Vargos and Sergio Vegas.
Terry Date or GTFO! I really think they need to take the work ethic they established with Nick and make a cohesive and dynamic album with Terry's signature sound. IMO he brings the balls to Deftones music.
I don't know how Terry really effects their style just because they haven't done anything with him since those darker days so it's impossible to say but I definitely think he captures their sound better in all aspects, he's great at capturing Chino's vocal intricacies,Abes really strong sound especially his snare sound and he captures the dynamics of the guitars better and Frank is also more noticeable in his mixes, Nick isn't bad but he's not great either I find his tracks to be quite flat and compressed sounding compared to Nicks which are rich and have some air and atmosphere to them, Nicks mixes sound almost sterile whereas Terry will leave in the parts where Chino's voice starts to break up and all the other little sounds and imperfections like string scrapes that make it sound real.
I love the way Terry captures Abes drums because he uses different micing techniques. Terry doesn't use bottom mics for the snare and toms but angles his mics further back and angles them so he gets that aggressive crack on his snares. Think digital bath. Nick on the other hand uses both top and bottom mics on all of Abes drums which adds fullness but creates the sterile sound when he compresses the living hell out of the entire kit.
Terry= Records their sound best
Nick = Motivates them to write their best
If Terry can keep them motivated then I'm all for them going back to him. Otherwise, I'd rather them stick with Nick as he seems to be better at getting them off of their asses and writing ambitiously.
Quote from: rainnyx4 on Jan 31, 2014, 04:18 AM
Terry= Records their sound best
Nick = Motivates them to write their best
If Terry can keep them motivated then I'm all for them going back to him. Otherwise, I'd rather them stick with Nick as he seems to be better at getting them off of their asses and writing ambitiously.
I don't think we can attribute that to Nick though I think it's more that Chi's accident and the short time frame they were given to do DE was the reason they started the whole quick album thing, from what I have heard Terry's never been ok with the long time frames and always tried to get them to do stuff and get motivated but they would basically just fuck around playing games and hanging out, I think if Terry did an album with them now it would been done just as fast as if Nick had done it, but even though I don't think Nick is responsible for the change in work ethic I think what they will take from him is what he implemented during the writing process, the guys have said while they were just jamming he would be there listening and recording everything and that he would go over each session and talk to each one of them to point out cool stuff they played and also as a group about some things he thought would go together well, I think they'll keep doing that either by getting Terry more involved during the writing stages or just doing it themselves.
I'd rather they work with someone completely different, get 'em out of their comfort zone.
Yeah but we all know how that worked out for SNW, speaking of SNW I could see them working with Shaun Lopez properly, I'm not keen on it at all but I could see them doing it.
Yeah but they've said they weren't in any condition to make a record during that time. I'd like to see them take the new work ethic and use someone vastly different. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they almost work with dan the Automator for SNW?
Yeah they did a little but not anything recorded i think. That would've been awesome.
I hope it has guest appearences by Bieber, Pink, Jessie J, Selena Gomez and One Direction! Fucking love those guys
Quote from: geraavl08 on Jan 15, 2014, 09:55 PM
2 more hours
Hahaha! Oh the memories..
I do hope they'll get on board with Terry, but I have a gut feeling the next album will involve Nick again.
Oh and I want to hear some covers this time!
Quote from: kurtone on Jan 31, 2014, 05:08 AM
I'd rather they work with someone completely different, get 'em out of their comfort zone.
this
Terry muthafucking date 8)or Bob Rock why tha fukk not!!!
Quote from: Northcal on Feb 08, 2014, 04:07 AM
Terry muthafucking date 8)or Bob Rock why tha fukk not!!!
Because Bob Rock is a terrible producer and has a history of ruining bands. I don't understand why the guy is so sought after. The way he records things sounds so hollow and clean and boring.
I don't have any expectations in which direction they should go with the next album, I feel like they have done everything they could with their trademark sound to be honest. As much as I like songs like Graphic Nature, Gauze, Risk, Prince, Rocket Skates, etc., I'm getting really tired with these kind of songs, it's Deftones on autopilot.
I just want a much more organic feel soundwise, the last two albums are way too clean for my taste. Oh, and I keep repeating myself, but I want interludes.
Quote from: kurtone on Jan 31, 2014, 05:08 AM
I'd rather they work with someone completely different, get 'em out of their comfort zone.
fuck yes!
Alright, so according to this article (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210)), Deftones are taking the rest of the year off and reconvening in 2015.
since the last 2 albums were shit and Chinos side bands all sound the same, it would be nice if the new album actually had some fucking balls and aggression.
Quote from: Inkblades on Feb 10, 2014, 11:09 PM
Alright, so according to this article (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210)), Deftones are taking the rest of the year off and reconvening in 2015.
It's not a bit long ?
Quote from: Inkblades on Feb 10, 2014, 11:09 PM
Alright, so according to this article (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210)), Deftones are taking the rest of the year off and reconvening in 2015.
That interview is old... You'll see that he says they'll be doing some writing in Feb.. I seriously doubt they're going to take an entire year off..
That interview was from last year! That means they should be writing in these upcoming weeks!
2 More hours!
Every time I read this fucking "2 more hours" I wonder if it's was funny even at the beginning.
More seriously, what is the most certain, one year of nothing or writing new material...
Quote from: iceache on Feb 11, 2014, 12:43 AM
Quote from: Inkblades on Feb 10, 2014, 11:09 PM
Alright, so according to this article (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210)), Deftones are taking the rest of the year off and reconvening in 2015.
That interview is old... You'll see that he says they'll be doing some writing in Feb.. I seriously doubt they're going to take an entire year off..
He's touring with Crosses for the rest of February.
But you're right. Doing nothing for the rest of the year with Deftones seems doubtful...unless he's focusing on side projects full time.
Quote from: iceache on Feb 11, 2014, 12:43 AM
Quote from: Inkblades on Feb 10, 2014, 11:09 PM
Alright, so according to this article (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210)), Deftones are taking the rest of the year off and reconvening in 2015.
That interview is old... You'll see that he says they'll be doing some writing in Feb.. I seriously doubt they're going to take an entire year off..
Interview is from yesterday...
By John Gentile
February 10, 2014 1:10 PM ET
Quote from: tarkil on Feb 11, 2014, 03:14 AM
Quote from: iceache on Feb 11, 2014, 12:43 AM
Quote from: Inkblades on Feb 10, 2014, 11:09 PM
Alright, so according to this article (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210)), Deftones are taking the rest of the year off and reconvening in 2015.
That interview is old... You'll see that he says they'll be doing some writing in Feb.. I seriously doubt they're going to take an entire year off..
Interview is from yesterday...
By John Gentile
February 10, 2014 1:10 PM ET
No. It was posted yesterday.
Quote from: iceache on Feb 11, 2014, 03:16 AM
Quote from: tarkil on Feb 11, 2014, 03:14 AM
Quote from: iceache on Feb 11, 2014, 12:43 AM
Quote from: Inkblades on Feb 10, 2014, 11:09 PM
Alright, so according to this article (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/crosses-chino-moreno-talks-depeche-mode-and-deja-vu-20140210)), Deftones are taking the rest of the year off and reconvening in 2015.
That interview is old... You'll see that he says they'll be doing some writing in Feb.. I seriously doubt they're going to take an entire year off..
Interview is from yesterday...
By John Gentile
February 10, 2014 1:10 PM ET
No. It was posted yesterday.
Thanks Sherlock !
But indeed, they must have been talking about Feb 2014, as Chino mentions they just finished touring, and I'm guessing he's talking about the US leg, which ended in Oct/Nov.
So I'd bet you're right actually... ;)
Quote from: cvthedrv on Feb 08, 2014, 11:28 PM
Quote from: kurtone on Jan 31, 2014, 05:08 AM
I'd rather they work with someone completely different, get 'em out of their comfort zone.
fuck yes!
this!
8th album, b-sides is a compilation album. This will be their 8th studio album. And let's see how this thread goes up to 100 pages in one month....
sly, you should make an artwork for the new album ;)
Quote from: slyartwork on Feb 11, 2014, 01:56 PM
8th album, b-sides is a compilation album. This will be their 8th studio album. And let's see how this thread goes up to 100 pages in one month....
Quote from: slyartwork on Feb 11, 2014, 01:56 PM
8th album, b-sides is a compilation album. This will be their 8th studio album. And let's see how this thread goes up to 100 pages in one month....
I wasn't counting B-Sides. I was counting Eros.
Quote from: Inkblades on Feb 11, 2014, 03:30 PM
Quote from: slyartwork on Feb 11, 2014, 01:56 PM
8th album, b-sides is a compilation album. This will be their 8th studio album. And let's see how this thread goes up to 100 pages in one month....
I wasn't counting B-Sides. I was counting Eros.
Eros shouldn't be counted as it was never released or even finished for that matter.
There's only one thing. I did count it. Deal with it.
Quote from: endstand on Feb 11, 2014, 02:57 PM
sly, you should make an artwork for the new album ;)
Quote from: slyartwork on Feb 11, 2014, 01:56 PM
8th album, b-sides is a compilation album. This will be their 8th studio album. And let's see how this thread goes up to 100 pages in one month....
Bring it on
So, can we expect a new 'tones album this year?
Or are we going to make our own album with blackjack and hookers. xD
I think I would prefer they to take their time, DE and KNY are too similar and not so far in time.
So lets time to create something different, I want them to surprise me.
Quote from: Diplo on Feb 11, 2014, 08:09 PM
I think I would prefer they to take their time, DE and KNY are too similar and not so far in time.
^^ That's how I feel. KYN's material sounded like leftovers from Diamond Eyes to me... I know some will disagree but it hasn't held up as well to me as prior albums have, personally.
I don't think it matters how long they take. If they're all ready to go and spilling creativity, they'll make the music quickly (whether it sounds like Diamond Eyes and Koi No Yokan or not). If they're busy or need to take more time, it'll take longer, but I actually feel pretty sure that their last two albums have been less to do with the speed the music's been made, and more to do with the guys themselves.
Lots of crazy talk about DE and KNY. Easily their best work since WP. The thing I'm most worried about with these guys is their age. I love the atmospheric and chill stuff as much as I love the heavy stuff but I'm worried that the heavy side of them is going to wane as they grow older. If KNY had just a little more aggression to it, it would've been a perfect album.
Quote from: rainnyx4 on Feb 12, 2014, 08:44 AM
Lots of crazy talk about DE and KNY. Easily their best work since WP.
If KNY had just a little more aggression to it, it would've been a perfect album.
This two sentences are contradictory, have you listened to the S/T ?
Anyway it's not the topic.
With the age they got and the evolution of their stuff, I still think more time they take (I mean more time to think or meditate) more the album would be better or more accomplished.
Chino starts a new band every other week, the last 2 albums are mediocre, its obvious he is bored to death with the 'Tones....im guessing they will break up or release one more album then be done with it...
Quote from: Diplo on Feb 12, 2014, 05:48 PM
Quote from: rainnyx4 on Feb 12, 2014, 08:44 AM
Lots of crazy talk about DE and KNY. Easily their best work since WP.
If KNY had just a little more aggression to it, it would've been a perfect album.
have you listened to the S/T ?
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Quote from: jaypayton on Feb 12, 2014, 06:57 PM
Chino starts a new band every other week, the last 2 albums are mediocre, its obvious he is bored to death with the 'Tones....im guessing they will break up or release one more album then be done with it...
Haha i'm sure you said this exact shit already
Rick Rubin???or just overrated? :-X
Quote from: Diplo on Feb 12, 2014, 05:48 PM
Quote from: rainnyx4 on Feb 12, 2014, 08:44 AM
Lots of crazy talk about DE and KNY. Easily their best work since WP.
If KNY had just a little more aggression to it, it would've been a perfect album.
This two sentences are contradictory, have you listened to the S/T ?
Anyway it's not the topic.
With the age they got and the evolution of their stuff, I still think more time they take (I mean more time to think or meditate) more the album would be better or more accomplished.
Yeah, I have. S/T is easily their worst.
So, can somebody ask Chino or Sergio on Twitter (or something) about what comes next for the band?
It's getting confusing with all the reports about them taking a year off and doing festivals at the same time and Chino saying that they are "eager to write new material"
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/deftones_eager_to_start_writing_music_chino_moreno_says.html (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/deftones_eager_to_start_writing_music_chino_moreno_says.html)
with age they lost their balls.....I've come to the conclusion the people who hate S/T are the people who just want Digital bath part 2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and want Chino to sing lovely ballads....
Quote from: jaypayton on Feb 13, 2014, 08:29 PM
with age they lost their balls.....I've come to the conclusion the people who hate S/T are the people who just want Digital bath part 2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and want Chino to sing lovely ballads....
Poltergeist is one of the heaviest fucking songs I've ever heard.
You really think Deftones lost their balls? Hah, you wish...
Quote from: jaypayton on Feb 13, 2014, 08:29 PM
with age they lost their balls.....I've come to the conclusion the people who hate S/T are the people who just want Digital bath part 2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and want Chino to sing lovely ballads....
Not at all. I don't like S/T not because it's heavy, I don't like it because it was lazy. Most of that album's songs sound either unfinished, like a rehash of another song, or are just plain lazy or monotonous.
SNW fixed most of these problems but was super disjointed. DE was again another step in the right direction. KNY was nearly perfect. Like I said, the only thing I wished it had more of was a little bit more heaviness as the atmosphere and ambition were spot on. But this may not be a feasible desire seeing how old the guys are and cut up Chino's throat is.
Quote from: jaypayton on Feb 13, 2014, 08:29 PM
with age they lost their balls.....I've come to the conclusion the people who hate S/T are the people who just want Digital bath part 2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and want Chino to sing lovely ballads....
yupppppppppp
Quote from: rainnyx4 on Feb 13, 2014, 06:49 AM
Quote from: Diplo on Feb 12, 2014, 05:48 PM
Quote from: rainnyx4 on Feb 12, 2014, 08:44 AM
Lots of crazy talk about DE and KNY. Easily their best work since WP.
If KNY had just a little more aggression to it, it would've been a perfect album.
This two sentences are contradictory, have you listened to the S/T ?
Anyway it's not the topic.
With the age they got and the evolution of their stuff, I still think more time they take (I mean more time to think or meditate) more the album would be better or more accomplished.
Yeah, I have. S/T is easily their worst.
S/t is a masterpiece my friend!!SNW is the weakest of all!
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Feb 13, 2014, 08:51 PM
Quote from: jaypayton on Feb 13, 2014, 08:29 PM
with age they lost their balls.....I've come to the conclusion the people who hate S/T are the people who just want Digital bath part 2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and want Chino to sing lovely ballads....
Poltergeist is one of the heaviest fucking songs I've ever heard.
You really think Deftones lost their balls? Hah, you wish...
yep, poltergeist is imo the loudest song in kny (i always thought in the similarity with 'melanie' from the eros writing process), but if you think is one of the most heavy songs in the deftones catalog, your ears are so gay.
i remember chino saying somethink like 'we're not afraid of being pretty', and that means the good moment that they are living in their lifes, they aren't angry anymore, i think because of that isn't possible to listen the weirdness of 'eros' or the fury of the 'self-titled', just pussy mellow songs like 'entombed'.
I would classify Hexagram, and when girls telephone boys as their heaviest songs...not one song on KNY ranks in the top 30 of heaviest deftones songs considering Chino doesn't raise his voice once on the entire record
Your ears must be defective if you really think that. He doesn't raise his voice on Poltergeist? Give me a break. I'm not saying it's their heaviest song, but you're way over-doing it.
goon squad is way more aggressive than poltergeist, it's also a way better song
Am I the only one who thinks Adrenaline is far and away their worst?
Quote from: sing blue silver on Feb 15, 2014, 05:04 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Adrenaline is far and away their worst?
No. My least favorite album.
Quote from: sing blue silver on Feb 15, 2014, 05:04 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Adrenaline is far and away their worst?
Yeah its not even close. I only keep two songs from it on my IPod.
With the exception of KNY, it's my least listened to Deftones album. Has some good moments, but is just overshadowed by the next 3 albums.
Not much of a fan of Adrenaline myself, but I like listening to it sometimes to see how far they've come.
Anyway, I saw someone post about the confusing info lately about the band, so let me clarify it to the best of my knowledge: when Chino mentioned the band getting back together in February to write new music, and going on break for a bit, it was the same interview (I think it was done in November or December of last year). It's just getting picked apart and quoted now, so it seems conflicting and out of context. As far as I interpreted it he meant they were taking a break from when they finished last years' touring and then getting back together to write this February, not Feb '15.
Quote from: Teknoman on Feb 13, 2014, 06:46 PM
So, can somebody ask Chino or Sergio on Twitter (or something) about what comes next for the band?
It's getting confusing with all the reports about them taking a year off and doing festivals at the same time and Chino saying that they are "eager to write new material"
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/deftones_eager_to_start_writing_music_chino_moreno_says.html (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/deftones_eager_to_start_writing_music_chino_moreno_says.html)
There's nothing to clarify. Interviews are done months in advance, and only published many months later.. in some instances, such as the chino interview where he says they're taking the rest of the year off... He meant the rest of 2013, writing in Feb 2014. There's nothing more to it than that.
Abe was on a will haven podcast and said he hopes to start writing soon. Found this at theprp
Adrenaline rules. Classic post-hardcore up there with the best of Helmet, Quicksand, etc.
i love adrenaline, young, honest and raw as fuck, no pussy shit.
Yeah, we all have our favorites, but it baffles me to see fans who absolutely hate certain albums... even from Adrenaline to KoNo, there seems to be so much continuity. Basically, mostly what's changed is that Steph runs the bottom end and leaves the stuff he used to do with harmonics to Frank.
But with that said, Diamond Eyes has always felt like a lesser album, even if "Royal" and a couple other songs remain in heavy rotation. Better singles than KNY anyway (I haven't listened to Leathers or Tempest in a long time... almost as long as it's been since I jammed to Rocket Skates). But fuck man, to trash "Rosemary" in the name of "Birthmark" or to prop up "Romantic Dreams" and say that "One Weak" sucks? Doesn't make sense to me...
Quote from: parsyeb on Feb 17, 2014, 01:31 AM
Yeah, we all have our favorites, but it baffles me to see fans who absolutely hate certain albums... even from Adrenaline to KoNo, there seems to be so much continuity. Basically, mostly what's changed is that Steph runs the bottom end and leaves the stuff he used to do with harmonics to Frank.
But with that said, Diamond Eyes has always felt like a lesser album, even if "Royal" and a couple other songs remain in heavy rotation. Better singles than KNY anyway (I haven't listened to Leathers or Tempest in a long time... almost as long as it's been since I jammed to Rocket Skates). But fuck man, to trash "Rosemary" in the name of "Birthmark" or to prop up "Romantic Dreams" and say that "One Weak" sucks? Doesn't make sense to me...
I'm sooooo with you.
With me, The day and my mood typically dictate what album I'll be "faving". I Love them all for different reasons.
Typically adrenalin comes on when my boss is pissing me off. Lol
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Quote from: iceache on Feb 16, 2014, 02:53 AM
There's nothing to clarify. Interviews are done months in advance, and only published many months later.. in some instances, such as the chino interview where he says they're taking the rest of the year off... He meant the rest of 2013, writing in Feb 2014. There's nothing more to it than that.
Quote from: FlyingPiranha on Feb 16, 2014, 02:50 AM
Not much of a fan of Adrenaline myself, but I like listening to it sometimes to see how far they've come.
Anyway, I saw someone post about the confusing info lately about the band, so let me clarify it to the best of my knowledge: when Chino mentioned the band getting back together in February to write new music, and going on break for a bit, it was the same interview (I think it was done in November or December of last year). It's just getting picked apart and quoted now, so it seems conflicting and out of context. As far as I interpreted it he meant they were taking a break from when they finished last years' touring and then getting back together to write this February, not Feb '15.
So with that in mind, and being a little bit optimistic, they could drop a new album by the end of this year!... or maybe early 2015.
I mean they spend around 2 months writting new songs and then posted this image on April 2012 (http://instagram.com/p/JYV0piwu-U/) when they moved their gear to the recording studio and by the end of the year Koi No Yokan was out... maybe they will repeat that same schedule in 2014.
Quote from: parsyeb on Feb 17, 2014, 01:31 AM
Yeah, we all have our favorites, but it baffles me to see fans who absolutely hate certain albums... even from Adrenaline to KoNo, there seems to be so much continuity. Basically, mostly what's changed is that Steph runs the bottom end and leaves the stuff he used to do with harmonics to Frank.
But with that said, Diamond Eyes has always felt like a lesser album, even if "Royal" and a couple other songs remain in heavy rotation. Better singles than KNY anyway (I haven't listened to Leathers or Tempest in a long time... almost as long as it's been since I jammed to Rocket Skates). But fuck man, to trash "Rosemary" in the name of "Birthmark" or to prop up "Romantic Dreams" and say that "One Weak" sucks? Doesn't make sense to me...
yeah i agree. over the years they haven't gotten worse they've just evolved excellently.
True that the only song I willingly skip is "Mein".
My guessing was not that far from reality after all.
Quote from: Chino MorenoI think we're all excited to make some noise together again, so I think right now we're looking at, planning-wise, of doing that, and hopefully have a record or material to go record by the end of the year or early next year
Source (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deftones-will-write-new-album-in-2014-not-2015)
Quote from: Teknoman on Feb 19, 2014, 08:37 PM
My guessing was not that far from reality after all.
Quote from: Chino MorenoI think we're all excited to make some noise together again, so I think right now we're looking at, planning-wise, of doing that, and hopefully have a record or material to go record by the end of the year or early next year
Source (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deftones-will-write-new-album-in-2014-not-2015)
hell yeah
how is the next album the "9th album" last I heard KONY is number 7. bsides is not an album its not even a best of its more a excess album.
Quote from: dictatesofreason on Feb 20, 2014, 04:48 AM
how is the next album the "9th album" last I heard KONY is number 7. bsides is not an album its not even a best of its more a excess
Eros
oh wait were counting that now?, I remember 2-3 years ago when I praised/wanted/talked about EROS I got slammed by pretty much everyone on SL-nice to know everyone's finally pulled the collective asses from their fourth point of contact.
Sad to see some things never change around here. Godspeed Deftones, I can't wait.....
Of course I'm counting Eros. It's Chi's last album. Why wouldn't I count it?
THATS FUNNY YOU MUST HAVE A COPY OF IT THEN HUH. NICE TO KNOW YOU PEOPLE AROUND HERE STILL HAVE HEADS MADE OF CHEESE
Man... it has been more than 10 years. When the forum became sharinglungs...you guys remember those days? pre-selftitled... great times.
Quote from: Slacker on Feb 26, 2014, 02:42 AM
Man... it has been more than 10 years. When the forum became sharinglungs...you guys remember those days? pre-selftitled... great times.
haha yes!! i remember the old layout had a white/light grey background with blue text. those were also the dc++ days...by far the the best time to download bootlegs and rare stuff. good times here!
Quote from: dictatesofreason on Feb 26, 2014, 02:24 AM
THATS FUNNY YOU MUST HAVE A COPY OF IT THEN HUH. NICE TO KNOW YOU PEOPLE AROUND HERE STILL HAVE HEADS MADE OF CHEESE
Cool story, bro.
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deftones-begins-writing-new-material/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deftones-begins-writing-new-material/)
hell yes!
also photos: http://imgur.com/a/PaEZ7 (http://imgur.com/a/PaEZ7)
Shame he's getting fat again.
Quote from: Law on Mar 12, 2014, 11:13 AM
Shame he's getting fat again.
I reckon he will get himself in "album release shape" again. Either that or he has to lay off the Burritos and Tacos
he's getting like a pig again, cause he recently got married, what the fuck are you expecting?
What's the fuck are YOU talking about ? Seriously it's totally useless.
Quote from: Diplo on Mar 12, 2014, 09:10 PM
What's the fuck are YOU talking about ? Seriously it's totally useless.
Jesus, calm down you goon.
Quote from: Gaz on Mar 12, 2014, 10:41 PM
Quote from: Diplo on Mar 12, 2014, 09:10 PM
What's the fuck are YOU talking about ? Seriously it's totally useless.
Jesus, calm down you goon.
You call me goon but it's you who talk about weight in the 9th deftones album, so once again it's totally useless.
And I was pretty calm at the time, don't take that to yourself, it's just I found that it's not really constructive.
Quote from: cvthedrv on Mar 12, 2014, 07:34 PM
he's getting like a pig again, cause he recently got married, what the fuck are you expecting?
His wife to get fat ,not him!! chapo Guzman YoLA 4 sale chino
i like his Kim Jong Un look
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Chono is his name, children.
So the group is writing without Chino, you think they will finish like 10-15 songs before that Chino comes back ? Cause if he returns after the writing process we can be sur that he will change a lot of think, add some song with two guitars but maybe it's chance to have more song written by Steph (more heavy songs).
Steff needs to punk chino lil bitch ass already!!
Quote from: Law on Mar 12, 2014, 11:13 AM
Shame he's getting fat again.
and people wonder why chino hates sharing lungs.....
Shame that some people here just talk about how fat he is, as if they were perfect.
And that they think the Deftones always have to act as they wish for, and woe they do something else.
Then they cry "they have sold themselves!"
You're just a bunch of bitches!
If you don't like the Deftones and Chino anymore, you better search for another band.
Bring on the new album and tour.
Please, please, please, make the shows interesting by playing different tracks and not opening with DE and closing with SWORDs.
Ha ha, some of you people are so uptight about what people say in regards to Chino. At the end of the day it's just a joke, and the more you bite at it, the funnier it is.
Quote from: Diplo on Mar 15, 2014, 02:34 PM
So the group is writing without Chino, you think they will finish like 10-15 songs before that Chino comes back ? Cause if he returns after the writing process we can be sur that he will change a lot of think, add some song with two guitars but maybe it's chance to have more song written by Steph (more heavy songs).
I hope so. Not to say that I've been disappointed by a Deftones release, but IMO songwriting is Steph's forte, and I'd love to see him take point on it again.
Quote from: Dath on Mar 18, 2014, 12:10 AM
I hope so. Not to say that I've been disappointed by a Deftones release, but IMO songwriting is Steph's forte, and I'd love to see him take point on it again.
That's Eros! Steph did all the guitar work on that album, except for one song where Chino plays guitar too. IIRC
Quote from: Gaz on Mar 17, 2014, 09:23 PM
Ha ha, some of you people are so uptight about what people say in regards to Chino. At the end of the day it's just a joke, and the more you bite at it, the funnier it is.
props 2u