I know this will get blocked?.....but seeing old interviews it looked like steph was pissed off at chino because he wanted to play guitar and step felt he was stepping over boundaries?......idk....i barely see them in interviews and i hope this doesn't become a problem in the future?...
Quote from: mrpelon94 on Mar 03, 2014, 01:05 PM
I know this will get blocked?.....but seeing old interviews it looked like steph was pissed off at chino because he wanted to play guitar and step felt he was stepping over boundaries?......idk....i barely see them in interviews and i hope this doesn't become a problem in the future?...
this was only an issue during the self titled/SNW eras. after that it went away
Yea and he also stated that chino needed to work more on his vocals than guitar?...crazy..I see now how they could've broken up?
become a problem in the future? dude.........
Quote from: Freedomsoldier17 on Mar 03, 2014, 01:20 PM
Quote from: mrpelon94 on Mar 03, 2014, 01:05 PM
I know this will get blocked?.....but seeing old interviews it looked like steph was pissed off at chino because he wanted to play guitar and step felt he was stepping over boundaries?......idk....i barely see them in interviews and i hope this doesn't become a problem in the future?...
this was only an issue during the self titled/SNW eras. after that it went away
Not exactly. During the White Pony process, they kept fighting about which one could come up with the best riff. Thing is that each of them kept coming up with something better to outdo the other, so in the end it gave a brilliant record, but it became a problem very fast as far as I know. I'm not entirely sure it "went" away after SNW. Chino scrapped so many demos (Finger of Death for instance), he produced the album himself and made it more the way HE wanted, so in the end, he "won", so you could say. So, in my opinion, it's more likely that Steph became "biased" and started to complain way less. I could be totally wrong, but it would make sense, I think.
Quote from: Romain on Mar 03, 2014, 04:50 PM
Not exactly. During the White Pony process, they kept fighting about which one could come up with the better rip. Thing is that each of them kept coming with something better to outdo the other, so in the end it gave a brilliant record, but it became a problem very fast as far as I know. I'm not entirely sure it "went" away after SNW. Chino scrapped so many demos (Finger of Death for instance), he produced the album himself and made him more the way HE wanted, so in the end, he "won", so you could say. So, in my opinion, it's more likely that Steph became "biased" and started to complain way less. I could be totally wrong, but it would make sense, I think.
Accordingly to Steph there is some truth in what you say...
Songwriting Battles with Deftones' Stephen Carpenter Guitarist Magazine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TsH2kHUWI8#ws)
I don't think it was a jealously thing in that Steph felt Chino was stealing his job i think his main issue was that Chino wouldn't do his vocals aswell so it was like why when you finally come to do work doyou waste the little time you have in the studio fucking around on guitar? I've heard him say he doesn't mind Chino playing aswell because they have different styles Chino plays very soundscapey lead stuff and Steph lays down the think rythym and he said they merge together naturally and they don't find themselves having to go out of their way to fit one another Stephs problem used to be that when he had done his part Chino would go in and instead of working on vocals would start playing around with everyone elses parts and the songs composition.
i've always thought that there is a hard ego fight between them, and if deftones comes to an end will be because of that.
by the way, i think stef is right and chino should worry about his poor vocal range insted of adding things.
Quote from: cvthedrv on Mar 04, 2014, 02:59 AM
i've always thought that there is a hard ego fight between them, and if deftones comes to an end will be because of that.
by the way, i think stef is right and chino should worry about his poor vocal range insted of adding things.
yup
Quote from: Romain on Mar 03, 2014, 04:50 PM
Quote from: Freedomsoldier17 on Mar 03, 2014, 01:20 PM
Quote from: mrpelon94 on Mar 03, 2014, 01:05 PM
I know this will get blocked?.....but seeing old interviews it looked like steph was pissed off at chino because he wanted to play guitar and step felt he was stepping over boundaries?......idk....i barely see them in interviews and i hope this doesn't become a problem in the future?...
this was only an issue during the self titled/SNW eras. after that it went away
Not exactly. During the White Pony process, they kept fighting about which one could come up with the best riff. Thing is that each of them kept coming up with something better to outdo the other, so in the end it gave a brilliant record, but it became a problem very fast as far as I know. I'm not entirely sure it "went" away after SNW. Chino scrapped so many demos (Finger of Death for instance), he produced the album himself and made it more the way HE wanted, so in the end, he "won", so you could say. So, in my opinion, it's more likely that Steph became "biased" and started to complain way less. I could be totally wrong, but it would make sense, I think.
rip SNW demos :(
that why i like that they are writing right now without Chino,so steph can be more himself and relax without chino
yea but chino is the frontman and might come in a do the same?.......idk i just wish they would release EROS or something...DEFTONES POR VIDA!
I wish we could see the band jamming without chino,just seeing them fukk around the studio wit no cares in the world!
I would have used to say chino every day, until he picked up a guitar and meddled with a winning formula. I like what chino does with his side projects but it's consistently and increasingly creeped into deftones material.
Ideally I would like Chino to drop the guitar and I would like stef to put the breaks on the down tuning. For me Stef invented a unique airy rasping guitar sound for the deftones on white pony, then left it all to chase after a messugah style sound - much to my dismay.
Oh and while im here Abe should also tighten his snare back up.
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Mar 06, 2014, 06:17 PM
Ideally I would like Chino to drop the guitar and I would like stef to put the breaks on the down tuning. For me Stef invented a unique airy rasping guitar sound for the deftones on white pony, then left it all to chase after a messugah style sound - much to my dismay.
Agreed. but change your sig pic, man.
Quote from: Romain on Mar 03, 2014, 04:50 PM
Quote from: Freedomsoldier17 on Mar 03, 2014, 01:20 PM
Quote from: mrpelon94 on Mar 03, 2014, 01:05 PM
I know this will get blocked?.....but seeing old interviews it looked like steph was pissed off at chino because he wanted to play guitar and step felt he was stepping over boundaries?......idk....i barely see them in interviews and i hope this doesn't become a problem in the future?...
this was only an issue during the self titled/SNW eras. after that it went away
Not exactly. During the White Pony process, they kept fighting about which one could come up with the best riff. Thing is that each of them kept coming up with something better to outdo the other, so in the end it gave a brilliant record, but it became a problem very fast as far as I know. I'm not entirely sure it "went" away after SNW. Chino scrapped so many demos (Finger of Death for instance), he produced the album himself and made it more the way HE wanted, so in the end, he "won", so you could say. So, in my opinion, it's more likely that Steph became "biased" and started to complain way less. I could be totally wrong, but it would make sense, I think.
Totally relevant to this -- I just so happened to see this video today where Chino talks about sort of "competing" back and forth during the White Pony era:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFZbzO5MYJo&t=14m09s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFZbzO5MYJo&t=14m09s)
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Mar 06, 2014, 06:17 PM
I would have used to say chino every day, until he picked up a guitar and meddled with a winning formula. I like what chino does with his side projects but it's consistently and increasingly creeped into deftones material.
Ideally I would like Chino to drop the guitar and I would like stef to put the breaks on the down tuning. For me Stef invented a unique airy rasping guitar sound for the deftones on white pony, then left it all to chase after a messugah style sound - much to my dismay.
Oh and while im here Abe should also tighten his snare back up.
I think that has more to do with not have Terry Date than anything Abe is or isn't doing.
Quote from: wheresmysnare on Mar 06, 2014, 06:17 PM
I would have used to say chino every day, until he picked up a guitar and meddled with a winning formula. I like what chino does with his side projects but it's consistently and increasingly creeped into deftones material.
Ideally I would like Chino to drop the guitar and I would like stef to put the breaks on the down tuning. For me Stef invented a unique airy rasping guitar sound for the deftones on white pony, then left it all to chase after a messugah style sound - much to my dismay.
Oh and while im here Abe should also tighten his snare back up.
I wouldn't say chino should drop the guitar completely, but stef should really go back to a 6 and drop that bitch to C. His tone is so muddy these days. On S/T the 7 was OK because he still had that top end bite. But now it just doesn't cut the same. That's where I think they have lost most of their original sound. That and Deftones started out as Stefs band and then it became chinos after the 90's and Stef has taken a step back and let him run the show. Don't get me wrong I really like Team Sleep and Crosses but those first 3 albums were so much more. But we all know none of our opinions matter and the will most likely will have another Diamond no yokeyes album which is OK I'll buy it listen to it for a month and then Listen to Around the fur. Maybe I'm wrong. Unlikely but possible
I can see what you mean about stefs tone being muddy, on good speakers and headphones it's more defined but on most things it really does get lost in the mix the low E just sort of sinks into mud, I don't think he needs to go back to a 6 though he just needs to use more of the higher register the 8 offers I don't beleive it's Chino taking over either I think as stef has tuned lower he has become just less prominent in the mix because he's in that bass territory so his parts don't cut through as much, I would really love to see him play more geniune riffs on the high strings he does use them occasionally but tends to just ring them out open like in Risk and Gauze, I think it would be great to hear him use those strings more as it would give those low heavy chords real impact with the contrast it creates, I think instead of the constant chugging style like you hear in rosemary he could first set up some contrast by playing more cutting high riffs and then he could come in really heavy with the low strings I think it would mean that when he does use the low strings they have a geniune weight and impact to them almost like how at the end of beware it sounds so much heavier because the low range isn't persistent throughout the song.
When I met them two years ago, I first talk to Stef. I was wearing my Sol Invicto shirt, we were talking about that and Sol Invicto status and then he told me "I don't know why everybody follows Chino with everything he does. I know he is the singer and most of the times the singers have 'more fans', but I started this band".
A few minutes later, I met Chino and while I was talking to him, Stef was a couple of meters away with his cellphone, and everytime Chino said something to him, he replied indifferent.
Just saying...
I'm pretty sure being in a band and having people yell one of the members name for like 20 years would get old pretty quick. I honestly don't blame any of them for ever being kinda pissed at each other. But you can't expect them to be sunshine and rainbows all day everyday. Especially with the kind of band they are.
Quote from: III on Mar 10, 2014, 07:15 PM
I'm pretty sure being in a band and having people yell one of the members name for like 20 years would get old pretty quick. I honestly don't blame any of them for ever being kinda pissed at each other. But you can't expect them to be sunshine and rainbows all day everyday. Especially with the kind of band they are.
I totally agree, I was just adding my personal experience to the thread.
Quote from: deftoneseba on Mar 10, 2014, 07:01 PM
When I met them two years ago, I first talk to Stef. I was wearing my Sol Invicto shirt, we were talking about that and Sol Invicto status and then he told me "I don't know why everybody follows Chino with everything he does. I know he is the singer and most of the times the singers have 'more fans', but I started this band".
A few minutes later, I met Chino and while I was talking to him, Stef was a couple of meters away with his cellphone, and everytime Chino said something to him, he replied indifferent.
Just saying...
Interesting. But true: the Deftones would not be around if it were not for Steph. At the same time, the Deftones would not be who they are without Chino's unique style. It's a vicious circle. :-\
Quote from: pinata89 on Mar 13, 2014, 12:51 AM
Quote from: deftoneseba on Mar 10, 2014, 07:01 PM
When I met them two years ago, I first talk to Stef. I was wearing my Sol Invicto shirt, we were talking about that and Sol Invicto status and then he told me "I don't know why everybody follows Chino with everything he does. I know he is the singer and most of the times the singers have 'more fans', but I started this band".
A few minutes later, I met Chino and while I was talking to him, Stef was a couple of meters away with his cellphone, and everytime Chino said something to him, he replied indifferent.
Just saying...
Interesting. But true: the Deftones would not be around if it were not for Steph. At the same time, the Deftones would not be who they are without Chino's unique style. It's a vicious circle. :-\
I remember quite vividly that from 2003-2005 which traversed Self Titled and Team Sleep, that when the show started it was one big crowd roar for "CHINO!!!!!" It wasn't until they broke up and reformed that the crowd went wild for "DEFTONES!!!!" again.
To his credit, Mr. Moreno has humbled himself in interviews. His ego doesn't extend to the point that he defines what the band is. In fact, with respect to how much Deftones is a unit he compared their longevity to Smashing Pumpkins in one interview saying "Smashing Pumpkins stopped being good when they decided to name the band Billy Corgan" and I think that says a lot to Chino's self-effacing persona.
Nonetheless, if Deftones have a persona than it's mostly identified by Chino. But the foundation is Steph. He is a rock god whose fortune in life to get 15 grand in an out-of-court settlement as a teenager who practically bought ALL the gear that he would need to MAKE a band. The story never begins with Chino starting the band. It starts with Stephen being the fuckin' boss don recruiting the most talented and eclectic people in his network. Total intuition and dedication. I mean, fuck, in the studio who do you see that's always ready to play? Steph. He's a total rock. If there's any misconception of how massive his presence in the band to the main stream is, it can only be because he doesn't placate the audience by dancing around. Since Chino dances and dances well, he steals the show and becomes the face of the band every time.
Quote from: bloody_liver on Apr 01, 2014, 02:56 PM
Quote from: pinata89 on Mar 13, 2014, 12:51 AM
Quote from: deftoneseba on Mar 10, 2014, 07:01 PM
When I met them two years ago, I first talk to Stef. I was wearing my Sol Invicto shirt, we were talking about that and Sol Invicto status and then he told me "I don't know why everybody follows Chino with everything he does. I know he is the singer and most of the times the singers have 'more fans', but I started this band".
A few minutes later, I met Chino and while I was talking to him, Stef was a couple of meters away with his cellphone, and everytime Chino said something to him, he replied indifferent.
Just saying...
Interesting. But true: the Deftones would not be around if it were not for Steph. At the same time, the Deftones would not be who they are without Chino's unique style. It's a vicious circle. :-\
I remember quite vividly that from 2003-2005 which traversed Self Titled and Team Sleep, that when the show started it was one big crowd roar for "CHINO!!!!!" It wasn't until they broke up and reformed that the crowd went wild for "DEFTONES!!!!" again.
To his credit, Mr. Moreno has humbled himself in interviews. His ego doesn't extend to the point that he defines what the band is. In fact, with respect to how much Deftones is a unit he compared their longevity to Smashing Pumpkins in one interview saying "Smashing Pumpkins stopped being good when they decided to name the band Billy Corgan" and I think that says a lot to Chino's self-effacing persona.
Nonetheless, if Deftones have a persona than it's mostly identified by Chino. But the foundation is Steph. He is a rock god whose fortune in life to get 15 grand in an out-of-court settlement as a teenager who practically bought ALL the gear that he would need to MAKE a band. The story never begins with Chino starting the band. It starts with Stephen being the fuckin' boss don recruiting the most talented and eclectic people in his network. Total intuition and dedication. I mean, fuck, in the studio who do you see that's always ready to play? Steph. He's a total rock. If there's any misconception of how massive his presence in the band to the main stream is, it can only be because he doesn't placate the audience by dancing around. Since Chino dances and dances well, he steals the show and becomes the face of the band every time.w
He ain't gonna be dancing on next deftones tour,dude like 230 pounds,lol
Quote from: bloody_liver on Apr 01, 2014, 02:56 PM
Quote from: pinata89 on Mar 13, 2014, 12:51 AM
Quote from: deftoneseba on Mar 10, 2014, 07:01 PM
When I met them two years ago, I first talk to Stef. I was wearing my Sol Invicto shirt, we were talking about that and Sol Invicto status and then he told me "I don't know why everybody follows Chino with everything he does. I know he is the singer and most of the times the singers have 'more fans', but I started this band".
A few minutes later, I met Chino and while I was talking to him, Stef was a couple of meters away with his cellphone, and everytime Chino said something to him, he replied indifferent.
Just saying...
Interesting. But true: the Deftones would not be around if it were not for Steph. At the same time, the Deftones would not be who they are without Chino's unique style. It's a vicious circle. :-\
Total intuition and dedication. I mean, fuck, in the studio who do you see that's always ready to play? Steph. He's a total rock.
THIS.
Also, it's a collaborative way to do things. Deftones would not be here if it were not for Steph, and Deftones would not be who tehey are without CHino's unique style. More than a vicious circle, I'd call it a... co-dependendence? Can't recall the right word right now, but you get the point.
As short a time as I've been with Deftones, I can only say that as much as they are said to have fought, Deftones both needs them and both of them play their part in making Deftones' unique sound and appearance. Every story has a bunch of different roles, so not everyone can (or would like to) be the main character. Like a good meal is not just about presentation, but also of the flavours coming together, even if at first they would seem to clash. In fact, conflicting flavors can be extra tasty together.
stef's lazy riffs of the past 2 albums can easily be replaced by a 13 year old teenager, chongo's voice not so much
Quote from: bloody_liver on Apr 01, 2014, 02:56 PM
Total intuition and dedication. I mean, fuck, in the studio who do you see that's always ready to play? Steph.
http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=lDw83qCe8nA&p=n#/120;138 (http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=lDw83qCe8nA&p=n#/120;138)
In my opinion, a great portion of Deftones' unique and amazing sound comes from the conflict between Stephen and Chino's styles. And while a lot of that is due to differing musical influenes, interests, genres, etc.. A shit ton of a bands vibe comes from personality conflicts too. And this is a great thing for Deftones. Its like a beautiful rollercoaster ride. ups and Downs. or like dating a great girl/guy. There are ups and downs and that is what is necessary for a long lasting, impactful team.