For some reason I am interested in this debate. These two albums are, for the most part, considered their two weakest albums by most fans. So now that some time has passed since KNY was released, which of the two do you prefer?
Probably KNY I like the more intricate instrumentals, the outro/intros and the multiple interweaving guitars just seem a step up musically of DE, I like DE but it was all a bit simple Stef was only really using the low strings, Chino hardly played guitar and Sergio just seemed to follow whatever Stef was doing. Basically you can tell DE was made in a short amount of time whereas the songs on KNY sound more fleshed out with more layers, Stefs playing alone is alot more expansive he strays from the low strings alot more and his riffs have more contrast he also introduces newer techniques like tapping and tremolo picking, Chino's guitar presence really adds to the songs as well, he plays around Stef alot, when Stef is playing the heavy stuff Chino's playing is quite pretty and goes with the stuff Frank does.
Quote from: Heisenberg on Aug 04, 2014, 04:51 PM
These two albums are, for the most part, considered their two weakest albums by most fans.
wut
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Aug 04, 2014, 06:08 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on Aug 04, 2014, 04:51 PM
These two albums are, for the most part, considered their two weakest albums by most fans.
wut
it's probably true for alot of older fans, saw of ton of people on here who have been fans since adrenaline say they don't like the post SNW material, alot wouldn't call them the weakest albums but would defnitely say they weren't the best either
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Aug 04, 2014, 06:08 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on Aug 04, 2014, 04:51 PM
These two albums are, for the most part, considered their two weakest albums by most fans.
wut
That's why I said for the most part. I am sure there are exceptions. But most people from what I can tell prefer ATF, WP and Adrenaline. So rather than ask the age old question of which of those are the best, I figured I'd go with the two most current albums. Generally speaking most bands get softer with age which I think a lot of people take as a bad thing. KNY is obviously not as heavy as their earlier work.
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Aug 04, 2014, 06:08 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on Aug 04, 2014, 04:51 PM
These two albums are, for the most part, considered their two weakest albums by most fans.
wut
are you telling me that you prefer snorefests like risk, diamond eyes, 976 evil, what happened to you, sextape, beauty school, what happened to you, tempest and entombed over anything else they released prior?
fucking diamond eyes man, jesus christ what a turd of an album, i get so pissed off just thinking about it
koi is better but it's proof that this band will not be able to generate the atmosphere of its first six albums, i'm glad chongo's making some good stuff with his side projects though, fucking palms is absolutely amazing once you get over the tinny production values
it's just personal taste in the end, the new albums just appeal to people for different reasons, i'll admit I love the earlier albums more than the last two but I also like DE and KN, I can see why people would not though even though they are all from the same band they appeal to a different area of my taste than the old stuff, I listen to wide range of music from real heavy gritty stuff to real pretty soft sounding material so all the albums fit in somewhere but I could see how people with more concentrated tastes wouldn't like them.
Quote from: Penicks on Aug 04, 2014, 06:46 PM
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Aug 04, 2014, 06:08 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on Aug 04, 2014, 04:51 PM
These two albums are, for the most part, considered their two weakest albums by most fans.
wut
are you telling me that you prefer snorefests like risk, diamond eyes, 976 evil, what happened to you, sextape, beauty school, what happened to you, tempest and entombed over anything else they released prior?
I'd take 976-Evil and Tempest over anything on Adrenaline and Around The Fur, to be honest.
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Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Aug 04, 2014, 07:03 PM
I'd take 976-Evil and Tempest over anything on Adrenaline and Around The Fur, to be honest.
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Edit: Maybe not over BQAD, though...
I'll agree with N053BLEED976 on DE and KNY being better than Adrenaline. Not ATF though.
That being said, KNY still provides the worst Deftones album ender ever.
"What Happened to You?" is boring. Bleh.
KNY is par with their top releases.
Decay of older sounds but the subtle reflection of their overall sound shines through.
A beautiful and well flowing record.
and if you hate "What Happened to You?" good for you.
Come back to it in time .
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Aug 04, 2014, 11:02 PM
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Edit: Maybe not over BQAD, though...
haha nice one
The "VS" you are suggesting doesn't even exist. Both are appreciated.
I liked KNY at first then it made me feel like shit after Chi's death. I can't enjoy the album as I'd like. I really CAN'T. The feeling of knowing that something has been lost makes me SAD.. it's like being missing in somewhere and not being able to comeback/remember how to comeback. Nostalgia.
So, I prefer DE above Koi.. basically is the sound that i'm expecting of "new" Deftones.
Quote from: myownsummer on Aug 10, 2014, 07:46 AM
The "VS" you are suggesting doesn't even exist. Both are appreciated.
I liked KNY at first then it made me feel like shit after Chi's death. I can't enjoy the album as I'd like. I really CAN'T. The feeling of knowing that something has been lost makes me SAD.. it's like being missing in somewhere and not being able to comeback/remember how to comeback. Nostalgia.
So, I prefer DE above Koi.. basically is the sound that i'm expecting of "new" Deftones.
Uuhhhh... Chi wasn't on DE either so shouldn't that album make you feel exactly the same? And he was 'alive' (though who can really call that living) for the release of both albums so it's not like either album really had different circumstances. They're both albums that were done with Sergio and zero input from Chi whatsoever. I guess I just really don't understand what you're saying there.
Personally I'll take KNY over DE any day. I enjoy both but KNY just feels more complete, cohesive and has a bit of an etherial vibe that I appreciate.
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Aug 04, 2014, 06:08 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on Aug 04, 2014, 04:51 PM
These two albums are, for the most part, considered their two weakest albums by most fans.
wut
Yeah I don't know what you are talking about, I haven't heard anyone say that ???
I mean I get it, in music especially its always cool to shit on the newest stuff and I know there are still a hand full of deftones fans out there that haven't liked anything past ATF but I think DE and Koi are both solid albums... SNW is the weakest in my opinion.
kny is way better, DE was a bit too poppy for me, KNY is a return to form IMO
currently i would rate their albums as follows
- WP, S/T, SNW (impossible to say which i like the most, these are the albums i grew up on)
- ATF
- KNY
- Adrenaline
- DE
Quote from: Bifrost on Aug 11, 2014, 10:34 PM
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Aug 04, 2014, 06:08 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on Aug 04, 2014, 04:51 PM
These two albums are, for the most part, considered their two weakest albums by most fans.
wut
Yeah I don't know what you are talking about, I haven't heard anyone say that ???
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makes sense
Quote from: sing blue silver on Aug 11, 2014, 06:13 PM
Quote from: myownsummer on Aug 10, 2014, 07:46 AM
The "VS" you are suggesting doesn't even exist. Both are appreciated.
I liked KNY at first then it made me feel like shit after Chi's death. I can't enjoy the album as I'd like. I really CAN'T. The feeling of knowing that something has been lost makes me SAD.. it's like being missing in somewhere and not being able to comeback/remember how to comeback. Nostalgia.
So, I prefer DE above Koi.. basically is the sound that i'm expecting of "new" Deftones.
Uuhhhh... Chi wasn't on DE either so shouldn't that album make you feel exactly the same? And he was 'alive' (though who can really call that living) for the release of both albums so it's not like either album really had different circumstances. They're both albums that were done with Sergio and zero input from Chi whatsoever. I guess I just really don't understand what you're saying there.
Personally I'll take KNY over DE any day. I enjoy both but KNY just feels more complete, cohesive and has a bit of an etherial vibe that I appreciate.
I know Chi was not at both last albums! but I just wanted to say that is impossible for me to hear songs like "What happened.." and don't think about Chi's deaths... after his death everything changed in my mind and heart about KNY. Maybe that incident turned myself to the opposite side. I don't know if I'm explaining myself. The lyrics, the essence of the entire album is very introspective... its kinda "obscure" compared with DE, the atmosphere is different, heavier, dense. The riffs... dunno.
In DE I feel another energy, which is optimistic... fresh, but not less intense. Maybe both albums came to my hands in different periods of my life and probably it has a lot to do with my opinion. Hard times, being happy, being sad... the music is always with us and go along with our feelings :)
KNY is easily the worst they did. It outworsened s/t even. Impressive feat.
Quote from: Caín on Aug 12, 2014, 09:03 AM
KNY is easily the worst they did. It outworsened s/t even. Impressive feat.
you shut your whore mouth, s/t is some of their best darkest work. i might even put it at no. 1
Quote from: Caín on Aug 12, 2014, 09:03 AM
KNY is easily the worst they did. It outworsened s/t even. Impressive feat.
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Quote from: Bifrost on Aug 11, 2014, 10:34 PM
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Aug 04, 2014, 06:08 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on Aug 04, 2014, 04:51 PM
These two albums are, for the most part, considered their two weakest albums by most fans.
wut
Yeah I don't know what you are talking about, I haven't heard anyone say that ???
I mean I get it, in music especially its always cool to shit on the newest stuff and I know there are still a hand full of deftones fans out there that haven't liked anything past ATF but I think DE and Koi are both solid albums... SNW is the weakest in my opinion.
I guess that is more or less what I meant. The trend is to shit on the latest albums so rather than ask for a complete "rank the albums" topic I went with these two. I mean newer fans will probably say their newer stuff is better and older would likely say the opposite. This is all generally speaking of course. There are exceptions. But I think if you took a general poll, the majority would take ATF and some of the older albums over KNY and DE.
I guess if I had to choose between the two I would probably go with DE, I listen to KNY more recently but I think there are stronger tracks on DE overall IMO, whereas on KNY there are only a few songs I find myself going back to...
Ok, Diamond eyes is great for when you want to listen to songs individually. KNY is a great album in that it will make for a much better experience if you listen to it from beginning to end. Can i get a witness?
Quote from: III on Aug 15, 2014, 07:34 PM
Ok, Diamond eyes is great for when you want to listen to songs individually. KNY is a great album in that it will make for a much better experience if you listen to it from beginning to end. Can i get a witness?
I think it's just the way the songs segue like they do on Around The Fur.
Quote from: III on Aug 15, 2014, 07:34 PM
Ok, Diamond eyes is great for when you want to listen to songs individually. KNY is a great album in that it will make for a much better experience if you listen to it from beginning to end. Can i get a witness?
I'm the other way around. I think DE is a more cohesive album front to back and thus I am more inclined to listen to it that way as opposed to KNY. The cohesiveness is nice but it also makes for a somewhat dull album after awhile. The variety on KNY is much better. To me they both have their strengths and weaknesses as do all albums. I think DE has a bit more of an edge on some of the songs like Diamond Eyes, Royal, CMND/CTRL, Rocket Skates that is somewhat lacking in most KNY songs save for Poltergeist and Goon Squad maybe. Although I do like me some Leathers despite it feeling detached from the album with it coming out first.
Well, after having heard the instrumentals of both albums, and even WP & SNW, I can say that DE and KNY are really good albums, excellent music, and the ones I preffer (normal versions) are the ones that Chino sings better, it's like I'm enjoying the albums like if it was the 1st times I listen to them; I love CMND/CTRL, Diamond Eyes, Risk a lot, it's just another perspective (not saying that Chino does bad to the albums, but saying that, like someone said, "Deftones would be an amazing instrumental band", with Chino also on guitar.)
Always liked this thread. I was listening to DE yesterday and am starting to think there is no clear winner between the two albums (both amazing). DE has more raw aggression/energy while I feel KNY has stronger individual moments. I'm hoping for a heavier album by the 'tones this time around (musically and vocally) to contrast the Team Sleep release on the horizon.
To answer the thread question: If I had a gun to my head I'd pick DE. It's so close.
They are about even to me at this point looking back. If I had to sum it up, I would say all of the songs on DE are pretty good, averaging say an 8 out of 10 score. While on KNY there are songs I like more that would be in the 9 or 10 range, while others would drop to around 7 to sort of even it out. So basically they are even with me liking some of the songs on KNY more but acknowledging that DE is a more cohesive work. In the end, they are both better than a lot of the stuff being mass produced these days.
KNY > DE
DE. I ragequit in second half of KNY, never listened whole of it again. Sverv city is good opener and there is moments, but overall i prefer DE. And i agree, that these are two weakest in their discography. Probably tones will never repeat rawness of ATF again. None will. :`[
Quote from: stepanas on Dec 04, 2014, 08:34 AM
DE. I ragequit in second half of KNY, never listened whole of it again. Sverv city is good opener and there is moments, but overall i prefer DE. And i agree, that these are two weakest in their discography. Probably tones will never repeat rawness of ATF again. None will. :`[
some say their rawness has weakened but i think it's only an illusion because they're more spacier. the riffs in songs like Diamond Eyes, Royal, Poltergeist, Gauze are still pretty heavy, just a different in sound
also regarding thread question I prefer Diamond Eyes because it's more variant the whole way through, like others say the second half of KNY is kinda weak