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Title: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: therealdaebat on Apr 16, 2015, 02:15 PM
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July 22 – Clarkston, MI – DTE Energy Music Theatre *

July 23 – Tinley Park, IL – First Midwest Bank Amphitheater

July 25 – Cincinnati, OH – Riverbend Music Center

August 4 – Holmdel, NJ – PNC Bank Arts Center

August 5 – Wantagh, NY  - Nikon at Jones Beach Theater

August 7 – Mansfield, MA – Xfinity Center *

August 8 – Camden, NJ – Susquehanna Bank Center

August 9 – Charlotte, NC – PNC Music Pavilion

August 12 – Atlanta, GA – Aaron's Amphitheater at Lakewood

August 13 – Tampa, FL – MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheater

August 14 – West Palm Beach, FL – Coral Sky Amphitheater

August 16 – New Orleans, LA – Bold Sphere Music at Champions Square ***
August 17 – Austin, TX – Austin360 Amphitheater

August 19 – Woodlands, TX – The Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion
presented by Huntsman **

August 20 – Dallas, TX – Gexa Energy Pavilion **

August 21 – Maryland Heights, MD – Hollywood Casino Amphitheater

August 24 – Denver, CO – Red Rocks Amphitheater *

August 26 – Mountain View, CA – Shoreline Amphitheater

*ON-SALE April 25

** ON-SALE May 1

*** ON-SALE May 8

August 30 – San Diego, CA – Sleep Train Amphitheater
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: chinomoreno876 on Apr 16, 2015, 02:43 PM
This is awesome I can't wait, incubus is still pretty decent I just hope the deftones set is long enough
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: honeybeewu on Apr 16, 2015, 03:14 PM
Agreed! Will be hitting up the NJ shows for sure!


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Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: Deadradio on Apr 16, 2015, 03:34 PM
nice, with DFA1979!!
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: chinomoreno876 on Apr 16, 2015, 04:37 PM
I'll be doing camden nj show as well, fyi presale on live nation 4/20 at 10am!!
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: jaypayton on Apr 16, 2015, 07:54 PM
incubus is fucking gay. the music world left them for dead in 2000, they should be opening, not co-headlining......get ready for 1 hour sets/greatest hits
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: sharinglungs on Apr 16, 2015, 08:26 PM
Quote from: jaypayton on Apr 16, 2015, 07:54 PM
incubus is fucking gay. the music world left them for dead in 2000, they should be opening, not co-headlining......get ready for 1 hour sets/greatest hits

You've got your head up your ass if you truly believe that.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: therealdaebat on Apr 16, 2015, 08:45 PM
Quote from: jaypayton on Apr 16, 2015, 07:54 PM
incubus is fucking gay. the music world left them for dead in 2000, they should be opening, not co-headlining......get ready for 1 hour sets/greatest hits

Referring to something you dislike as homosexual is so 2000 bro. Go back and listen to some incubus or something ya fag! /s
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: honeybeewu on Apr 16, 2015, 08:49 PM

Quote from: chinomoreno876 on Apr 16, 2015, 04:37 PM
I'll be doing camden nj show as well, fyi presale on live nation 4/20 at 10am!!
is there a presale code?


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Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: 82IR@Q on Apr 17, 2015, 05:36 AM
How many songs would the tones usually play on a tour like this?

Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: vool421 on Apr 17, 2015, 06:46 AM
Quote from: 82IR@Q on Apr 17, 2015, 05:36 AM
How many songs would the tones usually play on a tour like this?

My guess is it would be at least a 16 songs.

Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: B0RNtoR0CK on Apr 17, 2015, 03:53 PM
I'm not a big INCUBUS fan but my ex gf took me to a show back in 2008, gotta say, they put on an amazing performance.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: deftfan on Apr 17, 2015, 07:23 PM
this looks for a great tour, maybe they will play something together :)
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: deftones86 on Apr 18, 2015, 07:15 PM
id be down for a Brandon Boyd chino rendition of passenger.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: deftfan on Apr 18, 2015, 09:30 PM
no chance to see this live (i'm from europe), but BQAD acoustic toghter on end of concert...that will be something more than nice :)
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: Vesanic on Apr 18, 2015, 11:39 PM
What was the song that they played with a member of Incubus on that White Pony tour? Can't remember.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: Penicks on Apr 19, 2015, 12:12 AM
wait i dunno
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: DeftonesNZ on Apr 19, 2015, 03:02 AM
I won't be going either way but this tour would have been so much cooler a few years back the stuff incubus has put out this decade has been really disapointing
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: people are people on Apr 19, 2015, 02:34 PM
Lol




This. +1
Quote from: deftfan on Apr 18, 2015, 09:30 PM
no chance to see this live (i'm from europe), but BQAD acoustic toghter on end of concert...that will be something more than nice :)
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: deftfan on Apr 19, 2015, 02:56 PM
Quote from: MrVesanique on Apr 18, 2015, 11:39 PM
What was the song that they played with a member of Incubus on that White Pony tour? Can't remember.
Say it Ain't So (Weezer cover)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPzG7KYImgs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPzG7KYImgs)
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: Knucklestones on Apr 19, 2015, 07:21 PM
I'm really hoping to go to that Cincinnati show.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: def-head on Apr 20, 2015, 01:42 PM
Quote from: chinomoreno876 on Apr 16, 2015, 04:37 PM
I'll be doing camden nj show as well, fyi presale on live nation 4/20 at 10am!!

Anyone have the presale code?
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: def-head on Apr 20, 2015, 02:29 PM
Deftones was the presale code. I'll be in Cincinnati
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: illthrowROCKS@U on Apr 20, 2015, 06:40 PM
Holy shit... Pit tix for Camden were already sold out!  I had to shell out $533 for 2 platinum pit tix...  Worth it, I suppose.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: honeybeewu on Apr 20, 2015, 06:56 PM
Going to PNC in NJ. Got tix but wow the sites and apps kept crashing. Was tough!


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Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: Eros TBA on Apr 21, 2015, 04:28 AM
'Passenger' with Brandon Boyd would be dope
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: ShadowScars on Apr 21, 2015, 07:01 PM
I don't understand why in the middle of this tour Incubus is playing Cleveland, but Deftones aren't coming with them even though they don't have any other shows scheduled that day. Not a happy camper.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: glasstone1983 on Apr 21, 2015, 11:23 PM
I'm guessing they will play a show or two that week.  My bet is LC Pavilion or Newport Music Hall in Columbus. I live in eastern Ohio and already bought tickets for the Cincinnati show but will gladly go to Cleveland, Columbus, or Pittsburgh to see them as well. It's not like they need a 7 day break after only playing three shows with Incubus. I bet we hear something this week since the Incubus headline shows just got announced and those tickets don't go onsale to general public until Fri 24th. If anyone hears anything do let me know or post on this thread asap.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: normsteez on Apr 21, 2015, 11:56 PM
I am sorry but after seeing deftones in an intimate club setting these types of shows just don't appeal to me.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: deftones47 on Apr 22, 2015, 03:15 AM
Quote from: therealdaebat on Apr 16, 2015, 02:15 PM
August 21 – Maryland Heights, MD – Hollywood Casino Amphitheater

I checked Google Maps and this venue is actually in Missouri, not Maryland. Disappointed me.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: Breach Unborn on Apr 22, 2015, 08:28 PM
Anyone else going to the Tinley Park/Chicago show?
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: blondie on Apr 24, 2015, 09:43 PM
remember when deftones used to charge $30-$40 for tickets and were pretty awesome live, instead of charging $70-$80 for tickets and sucking ass? good times.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: cvthedrv on Apr 24, 2015, 10:26 PM
Quote from: blondie on Apr 24, 2015, 09:43 PM
remember when deftones used to charge $30-$40 for tickets and were pretty awesome live, instead of charging $70-$80 for tickets and sucking ass? good times.

yeah, i think you are right, but even in that case, all of you fuckers are lucky enough to have the chance of watching deftones live many times in just one year, so stop bitching about the locations.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: luisch on Apr 24, 2015, 10:46 PM
Quote from: blondie on Apr 24, 2015, 09:43 PM
remember when deftones used to charge $30-$40 for tickets and were pretty awesome live, instead of charging $70-$80 for tickets and sucking ass? good times.

I've seen Deftones 4 times, just once time in my country, and traveled 8 hours to see them, $70 in 2007, so...
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: cvthedrv on Apr 25, 2015, 12:50 AM
Quote from: luisch on Apr 24, 2015, 10:46 PM
Quote from: blondie on Apr 24, 2015, 09:43 PM
remember when deftones used to charge $30-$40 for tickets and were pretty awesome live, instead of charging $70-$80 for tickets and sucking ass? good times.

I've seen Deftones 4 times, just once time in my country, and traveled 8 hours to see them, $70 in 2007, so...

that's what im talking about.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: nicklav on Apr 25, 2015, 02:55 AM
Man, I really hate paying money to see my favorite band. Just the absolute worst. Ugh.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: DeftonesNZ on Apr 25, 2015, 03:11 AM
Won't the price just be because it's a double headliner tour as opposed to a single headliner? so you're basically paying extra to see Incubus whether you like them or not which sucks. Also Deftones have only been to NZ 3 or 4 times the first time was back in the 90's in some small club and the other times have been part of big day out festival where they get like a 30-45 min set and tickets cost $175+, so if you gave me the chance to see them play a full set for $70 I'd jump at it, you US fans are so lucky some of you get 3 or 4 chances a year to see them, could be a lot worse you could have huge travel costs or a long wait for something that might not happen as your options.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: deftoner664 on Apr 25, 2015, 10:29 AM
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Apr 25, 2015, 03:11 AM
Won't the price just be because it's a double headliner tour as opposed to a single headliner? so you're basically paying extra to see Incubus whether you like them or not which sucks. Also Deftones have only been to NZ 3 or 4 times the first time was back in the 90's in some small club and the other times have been part of big day out festival where they get like a 30-45 min set and tickets cost $175+, so if you gave me the chance to see them play a full set for $70 I'd jump at it, you US fans are so lucky some of you get 3 or 4 chances a year to see them, could be a lot worse you could have huge travel costs or a long wait for something that might not happen as your options.

Great point,NZ. I've been able to see Deftones 7 times since 2004 and I'm grateful for that.. I'm going to the Cincinnati show now, so this will be number 8. Even though I live in Ohio I  still have to drive like 4 hours to see their shows and have done so before in the past too. For sure worth it.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: black coffee on Apr 25, 2015, 11:12 AM
but u say it yourself, even in the US the distances can be really big so its not that simple just to say "you US fans are so lucky".

I think we had a similar discussion a while ago and there were some normal gigs in Australia around all those Big Day Out festival gigs and in my opinion that would've been a good opportunity. If theres a will, theres a way, thats just how I feel about it. And even with all the expenses like night in a hostel and travelling, in the end its something you remember for a lifetime and no concert footage on youtube could ever make up for that.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: DeftonesNZ on Apr 25, 2015, 12:08 PM
Quote from: black coffee on Apr 25, 2015, 11:12 AM
but u say it yourself, even in the US the distances can be really big so its not that simple just to say "you US fans are so lucky".

I think we had a similar discussion a while ago and there were some normal gigs in Australia around all those Big Day Out festival gigs and in my opinion that would've been a good opportunity. If theres a will, theres a way, thats just how I feel about it. And even with all the expenses like night in a hostel and travelling, in the end its something you remember for a lifetime and no concert footage on youtube could ever make up for that.
Yeah that was just a general comment I get people can have to travel but I'm still jealous it's within driving distance and I think Australia will be probably be the way to go for me, they've said they want to do their own tour of NZ but I won't hold out for it, just gotta get to a position where I can the spend the grand or so to do it.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: Vesanic on Apr 27, 2015, 10:52 AM
Quote from: deftfan on Apr 19, 2015, 02:56 PM
Quote from: MrVesanique on Apr 18, 2015, 11:39 PM
What was the song that they played with a member of Incubus on that White Pony tour? Can't remember.
Say it Ain't So (Weezer cover)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPzG7KYImgs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPzG7KYImgs)

I meant a Deftones song, and it's Teenager actually.

49:43

DEFTONES - 2000.11.24 - Upper Darby, PA. (Night 1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFWxdrIE8o#ws)
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: ShadowScars on Apr 27, 2015, 06:45 PM
This is pissing me off. Deftones still aren't listed as playing 7/27 in Cleveland with Incubus on the Incubus site, there is still nothing on that date on deftones.com, but I just heard a commercial on the radio advertising both bands 7/27 in Cleveland.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: cvthedrv on Apr 27, 2015, 07:11 PM
man i've been listening to the old incubus these days, and im so stoked about this tour, i wish i had the chance to see them (even though incubus sucks  nowadays).
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: creature on Apr 27, 2015, 07:36 PM
Haven't been on here in probably 5 years but this tour made me: it's a throwback to the first time I saw the Deftones on the White Pony tour.
Deftones
Incubus
Taproot
At the Pagent in St.  Louis!

Deftones did Say it ain't so (Chino discussed how they've tried for years but weezer won't take them on tour with them)
And also did Clint Eastwood by the Gorillas.  As well as the Revenge of the Nerds rap.

Oh and the lead singer of Taproot did a flip off the balcony into the crowd.

I've seen the Deftones 7 times since that show and Incubus 3 times since,  and let's just say Incubus doesn't bring the same energy anymore.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: ShadowScars on Apr 28, 2015, 05:54 PM
Cleveland radio still advertising and giving away tickets to the Incubus AND Deftones show even though, unless something changes, Deftones are not playing this date. People are going to be pissed.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: thewanderer on Apr 28, 2015, 06:58 PM
Quote from: creature on Apr 27, 2015, 07:36 PM
Haven't been on here in probably 5 years but this tour made me: it's a throwback to the first time I saw the Deftones on the White Pony tour.
Deftones
Incubus
Taproot
At the Pagent in St.  Louis!

Deftones did Say it ain't so (Chino discussed how they've tried for years but weezer won't take them on tour with them)
And also did Clint Eastwood by the Gorillas.  As well as the Revenge of the Nerds rap.

Oh and the lead singer of Taproot did a flip off the balcony into the crowd.

I've seen the Deftones 7 times since that show and Incubus 3 times since,  and let's just say Incubus doesn't bring the same energy anymore.

I saw them at the rave in milwaukee on this tour. It was the second time I saw them and it was incredible. The clip in the beginning of Entertain Me where Chino is talking and says "You guys get top five in crowds" was from that show. I'll never forget that. I still have my Back to School tour tshirt and is my favorite. Wish they were coming closer unfortunately I know it would never deliver on that level. That night was electric.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: deftoner664 on Apr 28, 2015, 07:53 PM
Quote from: ShadowScars on Apr 28, 2015, 05:54 PM
Cleveland radio still advertising and giving away tickets to the Incubus AND Deftones show even though, unless something changes, Deftones are not playing this date. People are going to be pissed.

Really? what radio station 100.7 or 106.9? I'm from the area and trust me I'm just as disappointed because I have to drive to Cincinnati now.. I'll be extremely pissed if they end up doing Cleveland after I already bought tickets; but as far as I know its been confirmed several times and I know of people who actually called the venue and confirmed that Deftones will not be playing with Incubus at the Cleveland show...
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: deffur on Apr 29, 2015, 05:00 PM
Any vips for 8/26/15? i saw them 15 years ago.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/29/ee1814c8ea8ce5b29bd700e1da9ebe22.jpg)
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: iWally on May 12, 2015, 10:12 PM
Quote from: blondie on Apr 24, 2015, 09:43 PM
remember when deftones used to charge $30-$40 for tickets and were pretty awesome live, instead of charging $70-$80 for tickets and sucking ass? good times.
well, i'm paying the equivalent to US$300 to see them with System of a Down in Brazil...
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: ShadowScars on May 14, 2015, 01:40 PM
Quote from: deftoner664 on Apr 28, 2015, 07:53 PM
Quote from: ShadowScars on Apr 28, 2015, 05:54 PM
Cleveland radio still advertising and giving away tickets to the Incubus AND Deftones show even though, unless something changes, Deftones are not playing this date. People are going to be pissed.

Really? what radio station 100.7 or 106.9? I'm from the area and trust me I'm just as disappointed because I have to drive to Cincinnati now.. I'll be extremely pissed if they end up doing Cleveland after I already bought tickets; but as far as I know its been confirmed several times and I know of people who actually called the venue and confirmed that Deftones will not be playing with Incubus at the Cleveland show...

I heard the commercials on 92.3 and they were giving away tickets too (advertised as Incubus and Deftones)

Deftones have added a Columbus date the night after Incubus plays Cleveland. I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: Knucklestones on May 14, 2015, 03:31 PM
Quote from: ShadowScars on May 14, 2015, 01:40 PM
Quote from: deftoner664 on Apr 28, 2015, 07:53 PM
Quote from: ShadowScars on Apr 28, 2015, 05:54 PM
Cleveland radio still advertising and giving away tickets to the Incubus AND Deftones show even though, unless something changes, Deftones are not playing this date. People are going to be pissed.

Really? what radio station 100.7 or 106.9? I'm from the area and trust me I'm just as disappointed because I have to drive to Cincinnati now.. I'll be extremely pissed if they end up doing Cleveland after I already bought tickets; but as far as I know its been confirmed several times and I know of people who actually called the venue and confirmed that Deftones will not be playing with Incubus at the Cleveland show...

I heard the commercials on 92.3 and they were giving away tickets too (advertised as Incubus and Deftones)

Deftones have added a Columbus date the night after Incubus plays Cleveland. I just don't get it.
When is the Columbus date?
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: deftoner664 on May 14, 2015, 05:05 PM
The 28th
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: ShadowScars on May 15, 2015, 05:32 PM
My wife is hoping that the reason they aren't playing Cleveland with Incubus on 7/27 is because they will be announced as one of the bands playing Roverfest in Cleveland on most likely 7/18. Bands are being announced Monday. I guess this wouldn't surprise me, but I doubt it. Chino was in studio on Rover's radio show for a lengthy interview when Crosses were in town.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: deftoner664 on May 15, 2015, 07:54 PM
Quote from: ShadowScars on May 15, 2015, 05:32 PM
My wife is hoping that the reason they aren't playing Cleveland with Incubus on 7/27 is because they will be announced as one of the bands playing Roverfest in Cleveland on most likely 7/18. Bands are being announced Monday. I guess this wouldn't surprise me, but I doubt it. Chino was in studio on Rover's radio show for a lengthy interview when Crosses were in town.

I remember that interview, I was at the Crosses show the night before; that was just a little over a year ago. It seems like Deftones tour management really favors Columbus over Cleveland during these past couple tours. I really hope they switch that up when the new album comes out.. For sure want a Cleveland show during the fall/winter tour.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: ShadowScars on May 18, 2015, 01:00 PM
Quote from: deftoner664 on May 15, 2015, 07:54 PM
Quote from: ShadowScars on May 15, 2015, 05:32 PM
My wife is hoping that the reason they aren't playing Cleveland with Incubus on 7/27 is because they will be announced as one of the bands playing Roverfest in Cleveland on most likely 7/18. Bands are being announced Monday. I guess this wouldn't surprise me, but I doubt it. Chino was in studio on Rover's radio show for a lengthy interview when Crosses were in town.

I remember that interview, I was at the Crosses show the night before; that was just a little over a year ago. It seems like Deftones tour management really favors Columbus over Cleveland during these past couple tours. I really hope they switch that up when the new album comes out.. For sure want a Cleveland show during the fall/winter tour.

Yea, seems like a lot of bands skip the home of the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame these days. I saw Deftones in Cleveland in support of SNW and DE and I don't think they've been back since. I should have gone to that Crosses show dammit.

Anyways, Deftones aren't playing Roverfest. Sevendust, Andrew WK, Filter, and Flo Rida are.
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: mr.sinister on May 26, 2015, 04:14 AM
Hey everyone I have 3 tickets for sale for the San Diego show this summer on Aug, 30 at the Sleep Train Amphitheater. I ended up getting three other tickets so I won't be needing these.

SECTION 101 - ROW T SEATS, 7, 8, 9

The tickets are first come first come first serve and I posted these on the Incubus forum as well and best offer will take them. PM me if you're interested.

Stoked for the show see you guys there!
Title: Re: Deftones Co-Headlining with Incubus For US Tour
Post by: hi man on Jun 06, 2015, 02:18 AM
nvm