To say "Doomed User" is convoluted is to be nice. What the fuck is this?
Deftones have always been pioneers of alternative music. They never really stick to a formula and they tend to be more experimental less conventional. The last two records had some highlights but you can definitely tell the momentum of the great Deftones train is slowing to a halt unfortunately.
In previous efforts, Deftones have more than successfully blended elements of different genres into a cohesive whole. They have developed a reputation for being the one nu-metal band that defied the label and became classics in the alternative music world. Songs with hip-hop like drums, smooth, ethereal vocals, and simple, yet effective heavy guitar riffs have dominated the Deftones discography thus far. These guys have really excelled in mixing dark, ambient melodies, and crushingly heavy riffs with poppy choruses without coming off like a cheese fest. Some of my all time favourite songs come from this unique band and I will cherish those songs for the rest of my life. To sum it up: Deftones have absolutely nailed the art of not giving a fuck about expectations and have made a living out of it.
With the new album, titled "GORE", coming out on April 8th, Deftones fans are excited to hear the latest efforts from the band that does it all. "Doomed User" was released on Octane today and upon listening to the track I am feeling very confused and apathetic towards this new album.
This song is trying to sound disjointed, unpredictable, and edgy but instead it just sounds like the laziest compilation of excruciatingly boring riffs and lazy, forgettable melodies. This track is so uninteresting and bland. The two main aspects of this song's demise come from the two extremes of the divas that spearhead the band.
That bullshit metal riff and the emotionally stunted, pretentious chorus.
The 'old school metal riff' that Chino mentioned in a previous interview is hilariously out of place. Seriously. Almost laughably out of place. Don't get me wrong, I love experimental music but holy shit it's like Stephen Carpenter finally smoked himself into full stroke mode and came up with this horrendous piece of shit riff. The song starts off with a very typical, sleep inducing Stephen Carpenter-wishes-he-played-for-Meshuggah riff that he plays in an odd time signature. Wow. So edgy. The problem here is that it's simply boring and Chino's fatigued vocals give it no juice at all. But it's the next riff that violently prolapses the anus of the song. As soon as Stephen begins seizing all over his guitar in an attempt to sound like a Megadeth tribute band, I felt an overwhelming feeling of the imminent demise of a once great band.
Chino's chorus is disappointingly lacking of any emotional depth or quality song-writing. The melody is awful and the harmony included does nothing except make the listener go "Oh". I hate comparing new material to old material so I won't but I can't help but at least remember that Deftones have always been able to click emotionally and that always gave them a solid foundation. This chorus is a nice break from Chino sounding like a bad rip off of himself through the verses but other than that there is nothing here worth listening to.
The art of not giving a fuck is great if you at least give a fuck about making quality music in some aspect or another and after hearing this song I'm nearly convinced they're just pumping out music to get finished with their contract. I mentioned earlier that I felt the demise of Deftones on the horizon and don't get me wrong; I don't hate the idea.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Plenty of notable bands have come together, put out great music, made their mark, and then finish up before they become cliches of themselves. But the problem is that bands don't always do that and usually end up becoming boring and discardable. Like chewing a piece of gum non stop for hours. Eventually there's no flavour left and the longer you keep it in there, the more bland, hard, and dry it becomes. Deftones seemed to be immune to this fairly common phenomenon but after hearing this song, I believe that time has come.
As for the rest of "GORE" only time will tell. I will give the album a thorough listen and attempt to remain unbiased. Some songs are just duds so you never really know but I won't be surprised.
Uh huh... *yawn*
Quote from: _bilf1 on Mar 17, 2016, 03:39 AM
To say "Doomed User" is convoluted is to be nice. What the fuck is this?
Deftones have always been pioneers of alternative music. They never really stick to a formula and they tend to be more experimental less conventional. The last two records had some highlights but you can definitely tell the momentum of the great Deftones train is slowing to a halt unfortunately.
In previous efforts, Deftones have more than successfully blended elements of different genres into a cohesive whole. They have developed a reputation for being the one nu-metal band that defied the label and became classics in the alternative music world. Songs with hip-hop like drums, smooth, ethereal vocals, and simple, yet effective heavy guitar riffs have dominated the Deftones discography thus far. These guys have really excelled in mixing dark, ambient melodies, and crushingly heavy riffs with poppy choruses without coming off like a cheese fest. Some of my all time favourite songs come from this unique band and I will cherish those songs for the rest of my life. To sum it up: Deftones have absolutely nailed the art of not giving a fuck about expectations and have made a living out of it.
With the new album, titled "GORE", coming out on April 8th, Deftones fans are excited to hear the latest efforts from the band that does it all. "Doomed User" was released on Octane today and upon listening to the track I am feeling very confused and apathetic towards this new album.
This song is trying to sound disjointed, unpredictable, and edgy but instead it just sounds like the laziest compilation of excruciatingly boring riffs and lazy, forgettable melodies. This track is so uninteresting and bland. The two main aspects of this song's demise come from the two extremes of the divas that spearhead the band.
That bullshit metal riff and the emotionally stunted, pretentious chorus.
The 'old school metal riff' that Chino mentioned in a previous interview is hilariously out of place. Seriously. Almost laughably out of place. Don't get me wrong, I love experimental music but holy shit it's like Stephen Carpenter finally smoked himself into full stroke mode and came up with this horrendous piece of shit riff. The song starts off with a very typical, sleep inducing Stephen Carpenter-wishes-he-played-for-Meshuggah riff that he plays in an odd time signature. Wow. So edgy. The problem here is that it's simply boring and Chino's fatigued vocals give it no juice at all. But it's the next riff that violently prolapses the anus of the song. As soon as Stephen begins seizing all over his guitar in an attempt to sound like a Megadeth tribute band, I felt an overwhelming feeling of the imminent demise of a once great band.
Chino's chorus is disappointingly lacking of any emotional depth or quality song-writing. The melody is awful and the harmony included does nothing except make the listener go "Oh". I hate comparing new material to old material so I won't but I can't help but at least remember that Deftones have always been able to click emotionally and that always gave them a solid foundation. This chorus is a nice break from Chino sounding like a bad rip off of himself through the verses but other than that there is nothing here worth listening to.
The art of not giving a fuck is great if you at least give a fuck about making quality music in some aspect or another and after hearing this song I'm nearly convinced they're just pumping out music to get finished with their contract. I mentioned earlier that I felt the demise of Deftones on the horizon and don't get me wrong; I don't hate the idea.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Plenty of notable bands have come together, put out great music, made their mark, and then finish up before they become cliches of themselves. But the problem is that bands don't always do that and usually end up becoming boring and discardable. Like chewing a piece of gum non stop for hours. Eventually there's no flavour left and the longer you keep it in there, the more bland, hard, and dry it becomes. Deftones seemed to be immune to this fairly common phenomenon but after hearing this song, I believe that time has come.
As for the rest of "GORE" only time will tell. I will give the album a thorough listen and attempt to remain unbiased. Some songs are just duds so you never really know but I won't be surprised.
OMG your opinion is VERY important...!
Anyone who doesn't see the greatness of KNY is a fool (DE played it a little safe but that's warranted considering the conditions it was recorded under). Not saying that Gore is going to be a guaranteed masterpiece as a result of the artistic strides made on KNY, but KNY was clearly a giant leap for the band. It was the smartest thing they'd done since WP. I don't know if they did, but they really should have taken the progressive elements they showcased on KNY to the next level for Gore. I haven't listened to either of the new tracks yet, but from what I gather, they unfortunately haven't.
You couldn't just post this essay in the original Doomed User thread?
"I don't like the new song. END OF BAND!"
Quote from: rainnyx4 on Mar 17, 2016, 03:55 AM
Anyone who doesn't see the greatness of KNY is a fool (DE played it a little safe but that's warranted considering the conditions it was recorded under). Not saying that Gore is going to be a guaranteed masterpiece as a result of the artistic strides made on KNY, but KNY was clearly a giant leap for the band. It was the smartest thing they'd done since WP. I don't know if they did, but they really should have taken the progressive elements they showcased on KNY to the next level for Gore. I haven't listened to either of the new tracks yet, but from what I gather, they unfortunately haven't.
Good job staying on the topic of this thread.
what did you think of prayers/triangles op
"Deftones seemed to be immune to this fairly common phenomenon but after hearing this song, I believe that time has come."
Saying that this one song you didn't like is indicating the demise of the band is just senseless hyperbolism.
Quote from: Freedomsoldier17 on Mar 17, 2016, 04:32 AM
what did you think of prayers/triangles op
He thinks it's a pus-filled vagina created by a bunch of over-the-hill dilettantes.
Will you give us your thoughts when they release a video?! In fact, why don't you give us some thoughts on tonight's show?!
It really is amazing how many people spend so much time on a band's message board when they clearly hate the band and haven't liked anything they have released since 2003. To create a profile and write a novel on how Doomed User indicates the band's demise is hilarious and sad.
This is awful.
Wow. i literally completely disagree with every thing you've said in this long winded essay. It actually makes me sort of happy, because this it seems this new music from deftones is incredibly polarizing. There's people like you are fucking hating it (which is obviously fine, all opinions are respected) and then there's people fucking loving it. Reminds me of when white pony came out.
I feel really sorry for you, because I actually think this is the best stuff they've written in years, and I'm so excited.
"The listener" lol no, you meant 'you'. Don't pass off your opinion as a music review. Even people that don't like the song for whatever reasons have said that they love the guitar riff. I can't believe you joined this forum just to write an essay about one song, and about how it means the band is failing or whatever.
who the fuck writes a review like this for a single
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Mar 17, 2016, 07:29 AM
who the fuck writes a review like this for a single
Seriously, you can fit like six album reviews from top magazines in that length of text, haha.
It's probably not wise to write a review so soon after release it either, songs may grow on you best to sit with it for a little while before making such final sounding judgements
Message Board Review idea: A Swing and a Miss
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TheNeedleDrop syndrome : reviewing everyfuckingthing right when it comes out because it's so trendy
Quote from: _bilf1 on Mar 17, 2016, 03:39 AM
To say "Doomed User" is convoluted is to be nice. What the fuck is this?
Deftones have always been pioneers of alternative music. They never really stick to a formula and they tend to be more experimental less conventional. The last two records had some highlights but you can definitely tell the momentum of the great Deftones train is slowing to a halt unfortunately.
In previous efforts, Deftones have more than successfully blended elements of different genres into a cohesive whole. They have developed a reputation for being the one nu-metal band that defied the label and became classics in the alternative music world. Songs with hip-hop like drums, smooth, ethereal vocals, and simple, yet effective heavy guitar riffs have dominated the Deftones discography thus far. These guys have really excelled in mixing dark, ambient melodies, and crushingly heavy riffs with poppy choruses without coming off like a cheese fest. Some of my all time favourite songs come from this unique band and I will cherish those songs for the rest of my life. To sum it up: Deftones have absolutely nailed the art of not giving a fuck about expectations and have made a living out of it.
With the new album, titled "GORE", coming out on April 8th, Deftones fans are excited to hear the latest efforts from the band that does it all. "Doomed User" was released on Octane today and upon listening to the track I am feeling very confused and apathetic towards this new album.
This song is trying to sound disjointed, unpredictable, and edgy but instead it just sounds like the laziest compilation of excruciatingly boring riffs and lazy, forgettable melodies. This track is so uninteresting and bland. The two main aspects of this song's demise come from the two extremes of the divas that spearhead the band.
That bullshit metal riff and the emotionally stunted, pretentious chorus.
The 'old school metal riff' that Chino mentioned in a previous interview is hilariously out of place. Seriously. Almost laughably out of place. Don't get me wrong, I love experimental music but holy shit it's like Stephen Carpenter finally smoked himself into full stroke mode and came up with this horrendous piece of shit riff. The song starts off with a very typical, sleep inducing Stephen Carpenter-wishes-he-played-for-Meshuggah riff that he plays in an odd time signature. Wow. So edgy. The problem here is that it's simply boring and Chino's fatigued vocals give it no juice at all. But it's the next riff that violently prolapses the anus of the song. As soon as Stephen begins seizing all over his guitar in an attempt to sound like a Megadeth tribute band, I felt an overwhelming feeling of the imminent demise of a once great band.
Chino's chorus is disappointingly lacking of any emotional depth or quality song-writing. The melody is awful and the harmony included does nothing except make the listener go "Oh". I hate comparing new material to old material so I won't but I can't help but at least remember that Deftones have always been able to click emotionally and that always gave them a solid foundation. This chorus is a nice break from Chino sounding like a bad rip off of himself through the verses but other than that there is nothing here worth listening to.
The art of not giving a fuck is great if you at least give a fuck about making quality music in some aspect or another and after hearing this song I'm nearly convinced they're just pumping out music to get finished with their contract. I mentioned earlier that I felt the demise of Deftones on the horizon and don't get me wrong; I don't hate the idea.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Plenty of notable bands have come together, put out great music, made their mark, and then finish up before they become cliches of themselves. But the problem is that bands don't always do that and usually end up becoming boring and discardable. Like chewing a piece of gum non stop for hours. Eventually there's no flavour left and the longer you keep it in there, the more bland, hard, and dry it becomes. Deftones seemed to be immune to this fairly common phenomenon but after hearing this song, I believe that time has come.
As for the rest of "GORE" only time will tell. I will give the album a thorough listen and attempt to remain unbiased. Some songs are just duds so you never really know but I won't be surprised.
Completely agree with you. The song is weak af. There is still hope for the other 9 tracks though.
Quote from: shoop on Mar 17, 2016, 03:59 AM
You couldn't just post this essay in the original Doomed User thread?
Is he banned oh mighty ban King :)
I dig the intro riff, sounds like a gun blasting
Quote from: _bilf1 on Mar 17, 2016, 03:39 AM
To say "Doomed User" is convoluted is to be nice. What the fuck is this?
Deftones have always been pioneers of alternative music. They never really stick to a formula and they tend to be more experimental less conventional. The last two records had some highlights but you can definitely tell the momentum of the great Deftones train is slowing to a halt unfortunately.
In previous efforts, Deftones have more than successfully blended elements of different genres into a cohesive whole. They have developed a reputation for being the one nu-metal band that defied the label and became classics in the alternative music world. Songs with hip-hop like drums, smooth, ethereal vocals, and simple, yet effective heavy guitar riffs have dominated the Deftones discography thus far. These guys have really excelled in mixing dark, ambient melodies, and crushingly heavy riffs with poppy choruses without coming off like a cheese fest. Some of my all time favourite songs come from this unique band and I will cherish those songs for the rest of my life. To sum it up: Deftones have absolutely nailed the art of not giving a fuck about expectations and have made a living out of it.
With the new album, titled "GORE", coming out on April 8th, Deftones fans are excited to hear the latest efforts from the band that does it all. "Doomed User" was released on Octane today and upon listening to the track I am feeling very confused and apathetic towards this new album.
This song is trying to sound disjointed, unpredictable, and edgy but instead it just sounds like the laziest compilation of excruciatingly boring riffs and lazy, forgettable melodies. This track is so uninteresting and bland. The two main aspects of this song's demise come from the two extremes of the divas that spearhead the band.
That bullshit metal riff and the emotionally stunted, pretentious chorus.
The 'old school metal riff' that Chino mentioned in a previous interview is hilariously out of place. Seriously. Almost laughably out of place. Don't get me wrong, I love experimental music but holy shit it's like Stephen Carpenter finally smoked himself into full stroke mode and came up with this horrendous piece of shit riff. The song starts off with a very typical, sleep inducing Stephen Carpenter-wishes-he-played-for-Meshuggah riff that he plays in an odd time signature. Wow. So edgy. The problem here is that it's simply boring and Chino's fatigued vocals give it no juice at all. But it's the next riff that violently prolapses the anus of the song. As soon as Stephen begins seizing all over his guitar in an attempt to sound like a Megadeth tribute band, I felt an overwhelming feeling of the imminent demise of a once great band.
Chino's chorus is disappointingly lacking of any emotional depth or quality song-writing. The melody is awful and the harmony included does nothing except make the listener go "Oh". I hate comparing new material to old material so I won't but I can't help but at least remember that Deftones have always been able to click emotionally and that always gave them a solid foundation. This chorus is a nice break from Chino sounding like a bad rip off of himself through the verses but other than that there is nothing here worth listening to.
The art of not giving a fuck is great if you at least give a fuck about making quality music in some aspect or another and after hearing this song I'm nearly convinced they're just pumping out music to get finished with their contract. I mentioned earlier that I felt the demise of Deftones on the horizon and don't get me wrong; I don't hate the idea.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Plenty of notable bands have come together, put out great music, made their mark, and then finish up before they become cliches of themselves. But the problem is that bands don't always do that and usually end up becoming boring and discardable. Like chewing a piece of gum non stop for hours. Eventually there's no flavour left and the longer you keep it in there, the more bland, hard, and dry it becomes. Deftones seemed to be immune to this fairly common phenomenon but after hearing this song, I believe that time has come.
As for the rest of "GORE" only time will tell. I will give the album a thorough listen and attempt to remain unbiased. Some songs are just duds so you never really know but I won't be surprised.
i agree with you in all, except i dont think is going to split the band
but yea in muy humble opinion and i am a hardcore deftones fan , the song is weak as hell
How about just hitting the next song in your playlist?
PROBLEM SOLVED
Quote from: MrVesanique on Mar 17, 2016, 01:17 PM
TheNeedleDrop syndrome : reviewing everyfuckingthing right when they come out because it's so trendy
Hahaha, yup.
You guys being negative about it in any of the threads are nuts...the song is cool and I enjoy listening to it. Hardcore fan here too.
They are clearly fairly far gone at this point from their original sound (for the most part) so I've kind of accepted that by now. I mean, they lost their original bassist, the lead guitarist has used different guitars/sounds for a while now, and the singer can't quite hit the same quality/techniques he used to.
This song is actually the closest to something from the first few albums IMO (save for maybe Prince being semi-similar to WP). I hear a little from Adrenaline, ATF, and WP (honestly) and then a different sound as well of course.
I respect opinions but you make it sound like the worst thing ever when it is far from it.
Hey, it's cool that you guys don't worship every fart Chino lets rip in the microphone, but let's not be so negative. Some songs need to grow on you and even if they don't, every album may have one or two songs you dislike. Sometimes, a song just sounds bad without the 'context' of an album. I respect all of you guys' opinions, though I find it very difficult to both judge a single and a song that's just come out yet. That's my two cents.
Relax, guys, as Gore is going to come out soon enough. Give it some time to grow on you and if not, resort to Deftones' albums you do enjoy listening to. No band can always please every fan. It's all alright, just don't let that negative energy ruin the Gore-album cycle for you, before it's even officially started. Even if Doomed User is not your favorite single, or Gore will not be your favorite album, none of that excludes us all having an awesome time with Deftones still making awesome music. In the end, that's what we're all here for anyway. ;)
Quote from: Lucky_Me on Mar 17, 2016, 04:06 PM
Hey, it's cool that you guys don't worship every fart Chino lets rip in the microphone, but let's not be so negative. Some songs need to grow on you and even if they don't, every album may have one or two songs you dislike. Sometimes, a song just sounds bad without the 'context' of an album. I respect all of you guys' opinions, though I find it very difficult to both judge a single and a song that's just come out yet. That's my two cents.
Relax, guys, as Gore is going to come out soon enough. Give it some time to grow on you and if not, resort to Deftones' albums you do enjoy listening to. No band can always please every fan. It's all alright, just don't let that negative energy ruin the Gore-album cycle for you, before it's even officially started. Even if Doomed User is not your favorite single, or Gore will not be your favorite album, none of that excludes us all having an awesome time with Deftones still making awesome music. In the end, that's what we're all here for anyway. ;)
Well said.
Quote from: Lucky_Me on Mar 17, 2016, 04:06 PM
Hey, it's cool that you guys don't worship every fart Chino lets rip in the microphone, but let's not be so negative. Some songs need to grow on you and even if they don't, every album may have one or two songs you dislike. Sometimes, a song just sounds bad without the 'context' of an album. I respect all of you guys' opinions, though I find it very difficult to both judge a single and a song that's just come out yet. That's my two cents.
Relax, guys, as Gore is going to come out soon enough. Give it some time to grow on you and if not, resort to Deftones' albums you do enjoy listening to. No band can always please every fan. It's all alright, just don't let that negative energy ruin the Gore-album cycle for you, before it's even officially started. Even if Doomed User is not your favorite single, or Gore will not be your favorite album, none of that excludes us all having an awesome time with Deftones still making awesome music. In the end, that's what we're all here for anyway. ;)
Your words could end world conflicts, you should consider a career in it, haha.
@ANattyRat That's exactly why I'm studying to become a communication expert. My job basically revolves around solving problems that other people created. I'm fixing their fuck-ups, for which they are blaming each other. This board is really just a walk in the park for me. ;)
If I had any hair, I would've put flowers in it. 8)
Quote from: Lucky_Me on Mar 17, 2016, 05:01 PM
@ANattyRat That's exactly why I'm studying to become a communication expert. My job basically revolves around solving problems that other people created. I'm fixing their fuck-ups, for which they are blaming each other. This board is really just a walk in the park for me. ;)
If I had any hair, I would've put flowers in it. 8)
FUCK YOU!
Nah, just kidding.
Quote from: Lucky_Me on Mar 17, 2016, 04:06 PM
Hey, it's cool that you guys don't worship every fart Chino lets rip in the microphone, but let's not be so negative. Some songs need to grow on you and even if they don't, every album may have one or two songs you dislike. Sometimes, a song just sounds bad without the 'context' of an album. I respect all of you guys' opinions, though I find it very difficult to both judge a single and a song that's just come out yet. That's my two cents.
Relax, guys, as Gore is going to come out soon enough. Give it some time to grow on you and if not, resort to Deftones' albums you do enjoy listening to. No band can always please every fan. It's all alright, just don't let that negative energy ruin the Gore-album cycle for you, before it's even officially started. Even if Doomed User is not your favorite single, or Gore will not be your favorite album, none of that excludes us all having an awesome time with Deftones still making awesome music. In the end, that's what we're all here for anyway. ;)
Sometimes people just want to say they don't like a song and are entitled to do so. The people that need to "relax" are the ones getting all worked up over someone else's opinion. It's funny how it's all fine and dandy to be like, "this song slays!" but let someone express that they don't like it and people feel the need to jump in and tell them to relax.
@worship If you're going to offend me, at least try to be creative. :P In my newbie days (::)), some guy actually posted a picture of a necklace that said: 'Attention Whore'. I swear, that was funny and kind of true, I must admit. ;)
Whoever finds me that lovely thing, gets a cookie. I need it for the upcoming European gigs. ;D It would compliment my looks for this tour sooo well.
@2MoreHours Naw, I just love being the forum hippie. I only want to spread peace, love and cookies. You're right, though, as I'm very allergic to negative energy. Still, there's a huge difference between stating 'I don't like this song' and writing an essay about how bad it sucks. It's latter that's my pet peeve. It just ruins the mood.
Quote from: Lucky_Me on Mar 17, 2016, 05:24 PM
Still, there's a huge difference between stating 'I don't like this song' and writing an essay about how bad it sucks. It's latter that's my pet peeve. It just ruins the mood.
Spot on
Quote from: Lucky_Me on Mar 17, 2016, 05:24 PM
@worship If you're going to offend me, at least try to be creative. :P In my newbie days (::)), some guy actually posted a picture of a necklace that said: 'Attention Whore'. I swear, that was funny and kind of true, I must admit. ;)
Whoever finds me that lovely thing, gets a cookie. I need it for the upcoming European gigs. ;D It would compliment my looks for this tour sooo well.
@2MoreHours Naw, I just love being the forum hippie. I only want to spread peace, love and cookies. You're right, though, as I'm very allergic to negative energy. Still, there's a huge difference between stating 'I don't like this song' and writing an essay about how bad it sucks. It's latter that's my pet peeve. It just ruins the mood.
Yeah, the essay was a bit overkill. lol
I didnt like the song but I think you ...er.. you overdid a little.
Haha, thank you for the prolapse imagery! Not every day you get that. Unless you're a proctologist. I do really feel like they might be dabbling in genre a lot more now, or maybe they're less afraid to wear their influences on their sleeves cos they've established themselves, but whatever it is has made me a little less enamoured with them (couple notches down from fanatical, I can live with that!).
Eh maybe the essay was a bit of an overkill but I don't apologize for the opinion or the new account to post this. I had an account on here ages ago as during my teens I was an absolutely fanatic. To some degree I very much still am. I really enjoyed prayers/triangles actually. Not the most aspiring Deftones song but again, I believe they're starting to get to the point where the integrity isn't as important anymore.
I guess it's kinda weird to make an account to post one bad review of a single but I felt compelled to come to the most renowned 'tones community to say what I had to say. Just some built up frustration with a band that, even in their worst moments, made excellent music. I also don't hate the idea of bad songs nor do I believe this one song is the demise.
This song just sums up to me the place that the band seems to be in. Everyone is so concerned with their own shit that coming together to write a Deftones album now seems irrelevant and forced. In interviews chino and Steph still get at each other's throats, lol Stephen saying he didn't even know what to do with the songs on this record tells me that there's some major disagreements going on. That has always been a thing since chino picked up the guitar I guess but all I mean is that it seems sooooo forced and convoluted now that I think it's best that the band just say Thank you to the fans and call it a day. They've had an amazing career and made some timeless classics. Just seems sad to hear them like this now. Either way, not a hater and I look forward to hearing the rest of Gore as I'm sure there will definitely be some high points :)
Quote from: _bilf1 on Mar 17, 2016, 07:34 PM
Eh maybe the essay was a bit of an overkill but I don't apologize for the opinion or the new account to post this. I had an account on here ages ago as during my teens I was an absolutely fanatic. To some degree I very much still am. I really enjoyed prayers/triangles actually. Not the most aspiring Deftones song but again, I believe they're starting to get to the point where the integrity isn't as important anymore.
I guess it's kinda weird to make an account to post one bad review of a single but I felt compelled to come to the most renowned 'tones community to say what I had to say. Just some built up frustration with a band that, even in their worst moments, made excellent music. I also don't hate the idea of bad songs nor do I believe this one song is the demise.
This song just sums up to me the place that the band seems to be in. Everyone is so concerned with their own shit that coming together to write a Deftones album now seems irrelevant and forced. In interviews chino and Steph still get at each other's throats, lol Stephen saying he didn't even know what to do with the songs on this record tells me that there's some major disagreements going on. That has always been a thing since chino picked up the guitar I guess but all I mean is that it seems sooooo forced and convoluted now that I think it's best that the band just say Thank you to the fans and call it a day. They've had an amazing career and made some timeless classics. Just seems sad to hear them like this now. Either way, not a hater and I look forward to hearing the rest of Gore as I'm sure there will definitely be some high points :)
Word, man. Classy response. I personally don't feel like this band is done yet. Though I know how you feel because I felt the same way about KNY..then I heard the new songs for Gore and it lit a fire inside me again.
Cant believe how many people are saying Deftones should throw in the towel and call it quits. Thats ridiculous, just because you dont like the music they are making now does not mean they should stop. They're enjoying themselves. Steph was too busy enjoying making his rig while the rest were enjoying making new music. Ofcourse theres disagreements, these guys are best buds and always will be. If you and your best friend dont get on eachothers throats every once in awhile, then theyre not your best friend. Stop feeding the negativity, enjoy what they enjoyed making and are proud of or just stop listening. Simple
the first 2 new songs have been medicore to shit. all the stuff about tension in the band and stef on his way out...got a feeling this album is going to suck hard...from all their ups and downs they have yet to put out a shit album (DE and KNY arent great but they are still passable)....most great bands who are around for over 15 plus years eventually will drop a shitbomb (The Cure with 'wild mood swings' depeche mode with 'exciter', etc) got a feeling this will be the deftones 1st absolute shitbomb of an album....most likely their last tour as well..the end is near children
Quote from: jaypayton on Mar 17, 2016, 09:57 PM
the first 2 new songs have been medicore to shit. all the stuff about tension in the band and stef on his way out...got a feeling this album is going to suck hard...from all their ups and downs they have yet to put out a shit album (DE and KNY arent great but they are still passable)....most great bands who are around for over 15 plus years eventually will drop a shitbomb (The Cure with 'wild mood swings' depeche mode with 'exciter', etc) got a feeling this will be the deftones 1st absolute shitbomb of an album....most likely their last tour as well..the end is near children
Lmfao
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Mar 17, 2016, 07:29 AM
who the fuck writes a review like this for a single
Quite a few comments in this thread had me laughing but none as hard as this one ;D
no , this is weird , but its the beauty of life , diferentes opinions, i love PT , it comes in a time that ia m maybe going to live to some other place so , the flamingos flying reminds me that,
hell i hope they dont spli for one bad song or even for one bad album , deftones y my favorite band for 20 years so they have credit with me xd
Well I took everyone's advice and kept listening and I do quite like the "don't make this out to be something about you" segment. It's something!
Quote from: _bilf1 on Mar 17, 2016, 07:34 PM
I think it's best that the band just say Thank you to the fans and call it a day. They've had an amazing career and made some timeless classics. Just seems sad to hear them like this now. Either way, not a hater and I look forward to hearing the rest of Gore as I'm sure there will definitely be some high points :)
So because you, personally, don't like this song, you think they should call it a day? Just stop listening to their music, then. They're not going downhill, plenty of people will disagree with you and are happy to see them still making music and touring. They want to make music, that's why they're still doing it. If people don't like the direction they go in, that's fair enough, but they can make a freaking dubstep album if it's what they're passionate about, this is their passion, who cares what you or the rest of us think about when they should call it a day?
Quote from: ANattyRat on Mar 18, 2016, 09:35 AM
So because you, personally, don't like this song, you think they should call it a day? Just stop listening to their music, then. They're not going downhill, plenty of people will disagree with you and are happy to see them still making music and touring. They want to make music, that's why they're still doing it. If people don't like the direction they go in, that's fair enough, but they can make a freaking dubstep album if it's what they're passionate about, this is their passion, who cares what you or the rest of us think about when they should call it a day?
Because I, personally, don't like the idea of a group of guys I respect just making music because they're being forced to by a record label like a bunch of slaves:
"Asked what he was most proud of on the new disc, Carpenter answered: "I think my proudest thing about my guitar playing on this record is just playing on the record, because I didn't want to play on the record to begin with. It wasn't until way later once I actually got into it. I look at all the songs on the record and they were all a challenge for me to get into."
"Carpenter continued, "My band is going one direction and I am going another one currently," but when asked if that meant he might leave DEFTONES, he said, "I would never leave the band that I started, but the band started leaving me. I can't control that."
"While the guitarist said he has "a great time for the most part" with DEFTONES, he admitted: "We have got issues that I do not want to leave home, but how things will be in the future, I do not know...there are some things that I will not do in the future because I just don't agree with it."
-blabbermouth.net
They've already done this! SNW was the same except swap Stephen out for Chino. You can tell even from the interviews with media that there's way too much tension in the band. That's just from interviews man! If they're willing to come out and say shit like that in interviews imagine what they're private lives are like about the situation!
I'm just calling a spade a spade guys. These types of interviews have been going on for years and either Chino or Stephen ends up being unhappy about a record. DE and KNY were decent and the band seemed relatively happy but here we go again with some more arguing and let's be honest guys, the clock is ticking, no one's getting younger. This song quite clearly shows, *to me*, that Deftones are just scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Quote from: _bilf1 on Mar 18, 2016, 04:45 PM
Quote from: ANattyRat on Mar 18, 2016, 09:35 AM
So because you, personally, don't like this song, you think they should call it a day? Just stop listening to their music, then. They're not going downhill, plenty of people will disagree with you and are happy to see them still making music and touring. They want to make music, that's why they're still doing it. If people don't like the direction they go in, that's fair enough, but they can make a freaking dubstep album if it's what they're passionate about, this is their passion, who cares what you or the rest of us think about when they should call it a day?
Because I, personally, don't like the idea of a group of guys I respect just making music because they're being forced to by a record label like a bunch of slaves:
"Asked what he was most proud of on the new disc, Carpenter answered: "I think my proudest thing about my guitar playing on this record is just playing on the record, because I didn't want to play on the record to begin with. It wasn't until way later once I actually got into it. I look at all the songs on the record and they were all a challenge for me to get into."
"Carpenter continued, "My band is going one direction and I am going another one currently," but when asked if that meant he might leave DEFTONES, he said, "I would never leave the band that I started, but the band started leaving me. I can't control that."
"While the guitarist said he has "a great time for the most part" with DEFTONES, he admitted: "We have got issues that I do not want to leave home, but how things will be in the future, I do not know...there are some things that I will not do in the future because I just don't agree with it."
-blabbermouth.net
They've already done this! SNW was the same except swap Stephen out for Chino. You can tell even from the interviews with media that there's way too much tension in the band. That's just from interviews man! If they're willing to come out and say shit like that in interviews imagine what they're private lives are like about the situation!
I'm just calling a spade a spade guys. These types of interviews have been going on for years and either Chino or Stephen ends up being unhappy about a record. DE and KNY were decent and the band seemed relatively happy but here we go again with some more arguing and let's be honest guys, the clock is ticking, no one's getting younger. This song quite clearly shows, *to me*, that Deftones are just scraping the bottom of the barrel.
"I look at all the songs on the record and they were all a challenge for me to get into."
That quote from Steph really doesn't have me feeling good about what we will get. He didn't say a couple of songs were hard for him to get into. He said all of them were. So far, I can't really get into the 1st two songs they have released but I guess only time will tell. SNW was kind of a weird album to me at first but it really grew on me and is one of my favorites now.
Jesus man, Stef was right about people getting too emotionally invested in social media. Have you ever been a part of their creative process? Played with them? Hung out in the rehearsal space or studio? No? Then you're just speculating. There has been friction in the band since White Pony, you're right - but that was 16 years ago! Friction doesn't mean they can't get along at all. They do a record every couple of years and spend months and months out of the year touring with each other. If you have a friend you agree with 100% of the time, one of you is lying. These dudes have known each other as long, if not longer, than you've probably been alive. If I obsessed over every little detail, word, inflection and gesture about any of the bands I listened to as much as some people on this board, I'd be miserable.
I say only good can come from the friction. White Pony
Quote from: the7thsaga on Mar 18, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jesus man, Stef was right about people getting too emotionally invested in social media. Have you ever been a part of their creative process? Played with them? Hung out in the rehearsal space or studio? No? Then you're just speculating.
No shit, Shirlock. That's all any of us are doing. If you think Gore will be awesome because you love Doomed User, you're also just speculating. Based on what Steph has said and on what I have heard, I'm speculating that this won't be a great record it may be one that has to grow on me.
Quote from: 2MoreHours on Mar 18, 2016, 05:11 PM
Quote from: the7thsaga on Mar 18, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jesus man, Stef was right about people getting too emotionally invested in social media. Have you ever been a part of their creative process? Played with them? Hung out in the rehearsal space or studio? No? Then you're just speculating.
No shit, Shirlock. That's all any of us are doing. If you think Gore will be awesome because you love Doomed User, you're also just speculating. Based on what Steph has said and on what I have heard, I'm speculating that this won't be a great record it may be one that has to grow on me.
Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to validate my opinion. I appreciate it. I don't know why you're so worried about what I think of the record, though :-\
Quote from: the7thsaga on Mar 18, 2016, 05:24 PM
Quote from: 2MoreHours on Mar 18, 2016, 05:11 PM
Quote from: the7thsaga on Mar 18, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jesus man, Stef was right about people getting too emotionally invested in social media. Have you ever been a part of their creative process? Played with them? Hung out in the rehearsal space or studio? No? Then you're just speculating.
No shit, Shirlock. That's all any of us are doing. If you think Gore will be awesome because you love Doomed User, you're also just speculating. Based on what Steph has said and on what I have heard, I'm speculating that this won't be a great record it may be one that has to grow on me.
Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to validate my opinion. I appreciate it. I don't know why you're so worried about what I think of the record, though :-\
I could give 2 shits about what you think about it. You're welcome.
Quote from: the7thsaga on Mar 18, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jesus man, Stef was right about people getting too emotionally invested in social media. Have you ever been a part of their creative process? Played with them? Hung out in the rehearsal space or studio? No? Then you're just speculating. There has been friction in the band since White Pony, you're right - but that was 16 years ago! Friction doesn't mean they can't get along at all. They do a record every couple of years and spend months and months out of the year touring with each other. If you have a friend you agree with 100% of the time, one of you is lying. These dudes have known each other as long, if not longer, than you've probably been alive. If I obsessed over every little detail, word, inflection and gesture about any of the bands I listened to as much as some people on this board, I'd be miserable.
Lol, no I haven't been a part of it, thank god. It sounds like a nightmare. Im also speculating that Gore won't be a terrible record so, for your own health, don't get all bent out of shape over my opinion on a shitty song by a great band. I'm still a fan at the end of the day.
Quote from: _bilf1 on Mar 18, 2016, 06:47 PM
Lol, no I haven't been a part of it, thank god. It sounds like a nightmare. Im also speculating that Gore won't be a terrible record so, for your own health, don't get all bent out of shape over my opinion on a shitty song by a great band. I'm still a fan at the end of the day.
Just as your opinion on DU doesn't upset me, I wouldn't be bothered if you were predicting Gore was going to be a bad record. It's not my place to question your subjectivity or whatever, but I just don't understand how or why some people follow members of bands to such extremes. There are very few people involved in the music industry whose opinions I value so strongly, and half of them are also my friends.
Quote from: the7thsaga on Mar 18, 2016, 07:01 PM
Quote from: _bilf1 on Mar 18, 2016, 06:47 PM
Lol, no I haven't been a part of it, thank god. It sounds like a nightmare. Im also speculating that Gore won't be a terrible record so, for your own health, don't get all bent out of shape over my opinion on a shitty song by a great band. I'm still a fan at the end of the day.
Just as your opinion on DU doesn't upset me, I wouldn't be bothered if you were predicting Gore was going to be a bad record. It's not my place to question your subjectivity or whatever, but I just don't understand how or why some people follow members of bands to such extremes. There are very few people involved in the music industry whose opinions I value so strongly, and half of them are also my friends.
I haven't seen anything in here that suggests anyone is following a band member to an extreme. Are you sure you are posting in the right thread?
they are just going through the motions..stef has all but admitted he doesnt like the direction they are going, their live shows have featured the same standard setlist for 5 years....as of now i have zero interest in seeing them on this tour. why bother? so i can see a greatest hit set with stef standing in the corner twiddling his wrist bored out of his mind? the band is clearly on cruise control...its time to call it a day..let chino go make more hipster music with shaun lopez
Quote from: jaypayton on Mar 18, 2016, 07:21 PM
they are just going through the motions..stef has all but admitted he doesnt like the direction they are going, their live shows have featured the same standard setlist for 5 years....as of now i have zero interest in seeing them on this tour. why bother? so i can see a greatest hit set with stef standing in the corner twiddling his wrist bored out of his mind? the band is clearly on cruise control...its time to call it a day..let chino go make more hipster music with shaun lopez
You think Steph is bored playing the heavy classics? I think he looks more bored playing Rosemary. All I want to see right now is the greatest hit set list.......I don't like the direction they are going; I'm not liking the 8 string. I don't think we are getting the "best" Deftones........Chino and Sergio are pulling one way and Steph is pulling another way, and what we end up with is mediocre. I wish Steph would write a record using a drop tuned 7 string......drop A or Ab.
has sol invicto done any shows
cause thats where steph could shred and maybe get inspired again
Hello noobs,
wtf are you doing Ves? Penix? Musing?
Anyways, listened the 2 new songs.
Prayers: Nothing special but acceptable.
Doomed Assholes: ....umm..wtf is this? Many bands already do those type of songs, better..
If the those 2 are the album's summary, they better give a timeout or disband at worst while they still can make music, at least with their other friends/projects.
Hopefully other songs will blowjob my mind.
(I should've expect the band going bad since they start putting pink animals as cover arts instead of chicks lol)
Bye, i still i hate you guys, you guys are assholes, specially Ves, i hate'im the most.
You used to call me on my cellphone
Quote from: MrVesanique on Mar 18, 2016, 11:43 PM
You used to call me on my cellphone
I stopped that after you cheat me with Jerry Curls.
Epic dick tho!
Aw thanks man
you used to call me on your (pink) cellphone
Quote from: rock_n_frost on Mar 18, 2016, 11:52 PM
Quote from: MrVesanique on Mar 18, 2016, 11:43 PM
You used to call me on my cellphone
I stopped that after you cheat me with Jerry Curls.
Epic dick tho!
Say quoi??
*gay smirk*
ha ha, you're still lurking around ?!?? :o
I can see his point somewhat. I don't loathe this track but they sound weary and the riff *is* generic. They were never the same beyond S/T. Chino also needs to stop shouting his fucking vox. I'd rather we never get another heavy track from them ever again than have him straining to perform. Fair enough he can't scream like he did on ATF anymore, but just sing dude. Not shouts and inhales.
Though I'd say it's Abe who got drowned out and shafted the most since the old days.
Dear Mr. Banal, the one who created the thread.
My vocabulary is stressed right now so I can't say what I really want, I do feel connected with you in that way though mr. banal.
Nice review, I'm convinced we have a celebrity on this board, possibly a columnist for rolling stone. I'm wondering if they rejected this piece simply because writing a book about one song and posting that in the reviews section would simply discredit them. I love how you weave your opinions of their former work and say you can't judge them based on that but continue to as well as the fact you lose all credibility once you attack the last two pieces "post chi albums." actually I'm sure that would give you a lot of credibility, even on this board, but not with true music listeners/lovers. You posted everything that I thought on the first listen, or that my unconscious thought, but like a true lover of music, I played it a few times, actually it was looped on that link so I just let it go. And it's obvious it's a winner and an album pusher, pushing the textures from mood to mood. you can hear that on the first track into this and 9 more to go.