Here's what I always heard. White Pony had been out for a while and the record company idiot 1) wanted to make singles and 2) didn't think there was anything radio friendly on the radio, therefore asked Deftones to rewrite Pink Maggit. KEep this in mind, White Pony apparently had been out already when this happened. The Back to School (Mini Maggit) EP was released in 2001. Let's quote the band.
QuoteChino: "Honestly, I didn't want Back To School on the record. It was unfinished at the time, and I didn't want anything too hip-hop-oriented on the album."
QuoteCHINO: Back To School was a mistake. A calculated song, that has been built up with only one aim in mind: It should be single.
FRANK: It never belonged to the album. Our record company recieved White Pony without that song.
VISIONS: And why was it released afterwards?
CHINO: Because I was an idiot. I wanted to prove 'em some. Months later, after White Pony was released, they wanted us to do a new version of Pink Maggit, They said, we lost our heavyness, and there were no more singles on the album. First, I wanted to stick this idea up my ass, but then I thought, I'm gonna show those fuckers how easy it is to create a hit-single. And so I rapped a hip hop part on that song, we shortened it and half an hour later, the hit-single was ready to roll on. FRANK: They engaged this Pop-director, who worked with Britney Spears before, it really went off shitty, due to that. High-school, glamour, all this shit.
Okay, I remember having seen the old track listing (with alternate song names) from White Pony when it was leaked on Napster in 2000, way before the album's release. It had both Back to School and Pink Maggit not only on the cover, but also in the sound files. Back to School was present.
QuoteThe band only initially finished 12 tracks, and then finished Back to School over the summer making that 13 finished tracks for the White Pony sessions. If they had any leftover material, the band would have to go and finish it in the studio if they ever planned on releasing it. There's nothing really in the can right now. There's preliminary Team Sleep stuff being worked on and there's talk about a remix album. The only other things they did recently in the studio was work on some acoustic renditions of White Pony songs. Change acoustic was the only one they finished, and it was pretty much following the original version of the song. They started working on acoustic renditions of Digital Bath, Boy's Republic, and Knife Prty but didn't complete these tracks yet. These tracks were much more in the way of RADICAL REWORKINGS of them. There is an unfinished version of the Boy's Republic acoustic out there from those sessions, it remains unmixed, unfinished, and without vocals, and overdubs and whatever else the band needed to do to that song as well as Digital Bath and Knife Prty acoustic. Someone snuck a disc with that and the other unfinished tracks out of the studio and it was leaked by that way. Knife Prty and Digital Bath, did not get leaked however.
Finished over the summer? No, don't think so. White Pony leaked in either March or April 2000, but definitely noit later than that. With Back to School on it. Again, the story that is always told is that Back to School was written after White Pony, not during it.
Quote. The pre-mix version of Back To School that was floating around in Napster in March 2000 is a lot different than the final release that appeared on the single/enhanced album. In the original version the sound is a lot more compatible to the rest of the album, the drums sound the same (the album version has a higher dynamic range, what makes it sound more "fat") Also, the beginning has a little static in background (probably due to the "unfinished" status) Plus, in the album version, Chino starts his first verse at 0:22, in the original version he starts at 0:32, because one pattern seems to have been edited. Plus, in the album version, there has been different background vocals added at the end of the song. Plus, the vocals in the album version are a lot louder and more "sharp" than in the original mix
This is all a bit confusing. What is your take on this?
Quote from: GreenMaggit on Apr 23, 2016, 10:23 PM
the story that is always told is that Back to School was written after White Pony, not during it.
well that's bs... "back to school" was definitely on the leak in april 2000. i don't remember the exact name of it back then,but it was the last track on the leak...think it was named mini maggot or something. (several of the tracks had different names than the record release, like korea was named "white pony" and rx queen was "ice skates" etc.) the single version, later added to wp, was just a re-recorded version of the leak version,
slightly different in tempo and new recorded vocals by chino but that was about it.again, it was not written after wp, just re-recorded k?
Change used to be called Flint Eastwood and Passenger used to be called Timbaland, Webster was the working title for The Boy's Republic. As far as the actual White Pony leak is concerned: The opening title was called Feiticeira, but I remember it not being what ended up being called Feiticeria on White Pony. That song was actually called New Murderer on the leak. Iceskates became RX Queen. White pony became Korea. New Murderer became Feiticeira. Knife Party at the Niko or Knife Party at Niko's (don't remember) became Knife Prty. Nightrider became Digital Bath. Pink Maggot became Pink Maggit. And last came Back To School, it was not the opener. This is the BTS version that appeared on the leak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aTX2oCVwrw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aTX2oCVwrw)
Found more form Chino's mouth:
QuoteWe put ourselves in a bit of a problematic position with White Pony. We made that record with absolutely no interference from our label, Maverick. They didn't hear anything until it was done, and we gave it to them. And they were pleased with it, and released it as it was. But in their minds, they wanted to shoot us into the stratosphere. We were told that we were primed to be there, but they just needed that one song to do it. So they said to us, "Why don't you take this song from off the record," which was 'Pink Maggit', "and use the chorus but rewrite it into a nu metal song." At least, that's pretty much what they said.
We naturally resisted them. The record was out, and the critics liked it, and we were getting great reviews because it was something left of centre. But the label kept on asking. They offered us a million dollars to make this video with Paul Hunter, who'd made videos for Eminem, and this and that and whatever. And we looked around and saw Limp Bizkit and Papa Roach selling millions and millions of records, and at that point we'd not sold a million records. So, we decided that we had nothing to lose. The record was already out, we had the songs we wanted, so we wrote what became 'Back To School' in literally an hour. It was super fast, and I was trying to show how easy it was to write a formulaic, simple rap rock song, that was like all those other bands.
But when all's said and done, we took a shot at it, and did it work? Maybe. But the original album still exists as we wanted it to, and the people who are into our group, they know that.
That simply is a lie. And I'm not sure why they're so ashamed of BTS that they keep bullshitting people about it.
I think probably what has happened is that Chino's telling of the story is the only one we have and he was probably high as fuck at the time both of the recording and the telling of the story. So, he probably doesn't remember it quite correctly.
What I would assume happened:
Band is recording/has finished recording WP sans Back 2 School. Record company thinks that there aren't enough viable singles and tells them to rework Pink Maggit. Band throws a hissy fit (rightfully so) but decides to record it to show the world how easy it is to make a "hit." Album gets released without it regardless. Band still feels pressure from the label for more singles. Either the band decides, "Hey, why not increase the sales and thus make us more money?" or "Fine. We'll acquiesce and show you just how easy it is to make a hit." New single and subsequent new version of album is then released. Chino gets high as fuck for a few years and tells the story wrong in an interview.
Either that, or yeah he's lying and wants to cover his artistic credibility.
This thread is quite a shock. I mean I had the guy telling me the same story to my face a couple years back lol.
I still have a copy of this from when I got it and burned it.
It is in the leak for sure.
I was kinda taken sideways by it not being on the album, because it was clearly a single, but then they came out with the other version that had it on the disc.
But it was, for a fact, in that leak.
Lol yeah, they are definitely stretching the truth on this one, but I think it's justifiable because fuck Maverick. As big as White Pony was for them, I think it could have been even bigger without Maverick's idiotic mismanagement.
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 24, 2016, 01:29 AM
Lol yeah, they are definitely stretching the truth on this one, but I think it's justifiable because fuck Maverick. As big as White Pony was for them, I think it could have been even bigger without Maverick's idiotic mismanagement.
Well,... Madonna.
BTS is a great song (IMP), even if Chino and the rest of the band hate this song. It was the song which brought them a lot of new fans, including me.
I was a big fan of Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit and yeah Papa Roach was also pretty good, and there were a lot of other new metal one hit wonders at the time which I enjoyed a lot too. I saw BQAD and My own summer in TV sometimes, but at the time they were just "ok" songs to me, nothing special. But then I saw BTS and it was ass kicking, it blew my mind! (okay I was a teeny back then... :))
I remember about 5 years ago when they played in Zürich, it was on a wednesday and the concert hall was "only" about half full, but they were all deftones fans, allmost everyone got a shirt of them on, and everyone was singing along to every song. As they started to play the intro of BTS, the crowd was flipping out!
And like at the end of the videoclip, the crowd was singing the chorus, and we gave more applause like before. It was the highlight from that show.
So I believe that a lot of the fans love this song, especially from the "00's new metal generation" because it was the first song they heard from deftones.
Back to topic: maybe it was a PR gag. They recorded BTS before with the other songs, but didn't released it on the album yet. They wanted to show that they are a unique band with unique music, and not one of those new matel bands like every other, but they also wanted to prove that they can make a new metal hit single.
One more song title I forgot to mention was how Chino said Elite's working title was CIYF, which stands for "came in your face", very charming! But it was already called Elite on the WP leak.
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Apr 24, 2016, 01:22 AM
I still have a copy of this from when I got it and burned it.
It is in the leak for sure.
I was kinda taken sideways by it not being on the album, because it was clearly a single, but then they came out with the other version that had it on the disc.
But it was, for a fact, in that leak.
Yes, it absolutely was on. Didn't BTS come on after Pink Maggit on the WP leak as the closing track? Am I remembering correctly?
Makes you wonder if they were very annoyed with the song and really did intend to keep it off the album or if it simply was a PR stunt after all, which was not only fueled by Maverick. I agree that the record company was ungrateful and pretentious and had no right to tell the band what to do, but I find it disappointing that Deftones tell 5 variants of this story, with none of them being true. You can own your shit up and stand behind your music. It not only made them money and exposed them to new fans, but it is their own work after all, nothing to be ashamed of. I absolutely hate nu metal, but I loved BTS when it came out, too.
im very corious about the original titles of the white pony songs, any idea of the other songs titles? rx queen, street carp, teenager or korea ( wasn't this just white pony?)
Quote from: cvthedrv on Apr 24, 2016, 04:16 PM
im very corious about the original titles of the white pony songs, any idea of the other songs titles? rx queen, street carp, teenager or korea ( wasn't this just white pony?)
There is some footage of a backstage interview (or whatever you can call it) in which Chino is high as shit and is telling something about "did you ever heard from a song title called Korea? There is no song out there called Korea"
So he decided to call the song Korea.
And I heard that teenager was a originally a team sleep song
BTW greenmaggit already named some of the original song titles from the WP leak a few posts before
Quote from: cvthedrv on Apr 24, 2016, 04:16 PM
im very corious about the original titles of the white pony songs, any idea of the other songs titles? rx queen, street carp, teenager or korea ( wasn't this just white pony?)
I wrote the early song titles in an above post. Teenager was always called just that and the user digital bath is right, it was meant to be a Team Sleep song all along. They recorded two songs which Chino originally wanted to use for Team Sleep, but we never knew what the second one actually was. RX Queen was called ice skates and Korea was called White Pony. Since Feiticeria was called New Murderer on the leak, but another song titled Feiticeira was also on that album, Street Carp seems to be the only one left. So maybe Street Carp used to be called Feiticeira. Unlike me, The Cyndicate still has the original leaked files, so maybe they could help out here.
Quote from: GreenMaggit on Apr 24, 2016, 05:14 PM
Quote from: cvthedrv on Apr 24, 2016, 04:16 PM
im very corious about the original titles of the white pony songs, any idea of the other songs titles? rx queen, street carp, teenager or korea ( wasn't this just white pony?)
I wrote the early song titles in an above post. Teenager was always called just that and the user digital bath is right, it was meant to be a Team Sleep song all along. They recorded two songs which Chino originally wanted to use for Team Sleep, but we never knew what the second one actually was. RX Queen was called ice skates and Korea was called White Pony. Since Feiticeria was called New Murderer on the leak, but another song titled Feiticeira was also on that album, Street Carp seems to be the only one left. So maybe Street Carp used to be called Feiticeira. Unlike me, The Cyndicate still has the original leaked files, so maybe they could help out here.
Maybe I should pull it out of the box and rip it?
I figured everyone still had it.
Yes, mini was at the end.
I also think Boys Republic was on it, but I don't remember when I got it. I just know it was long before the album came out. We used to cover it, before the album dropped.
Everyone would be pleased, I think!
in chinos defense he was on massive drugs back then so if his memory is fucked thats understandable.....but most likely hes lying just to cover his ass and pretend they were forced into making a rap metal song...same way al jourgensen from ministry lies about how the record label forced him to do a synth pop album when he was doing synth pop before he even signed to a label
Chino's memory has always been swiss cheese at best. constantly not remembering facts about the band correctly. i think he just goes on with his life & never thinks about band details until he's asked. he can't remember song lyrics order sometimes. a lot of us would smoke him in deftones trivia, easily
the man makes some killer music though. my fav frontman ever by far
chino has said many things over the years,so in some cases, he probably confused facts and forgot how things really were. but granted there's been cases of adjustments of truth and straight up lies. if this is a case of forgetfulness or a lie,i guess that's up to everyone to judge, but chino has guaranteed lied in interviews before.
anyway, i think they should've kept "new murderer" as title on the record, i like it for some reason
What difference does it make if it was made during original white pony sessions and just finished later on due to label pressure? Even then it was a song that they decided to scrape off the album. FACT is that it wasn't on the first version of the album.
ok so never mind all this back to school BS
but that working title for Rx Queen "ice-skates". that song is about his meth addiction. " I wont stop following you" "Your my girl if you sting me thats all right" then something happened in around his birthday "June 20th" that made him stop "saw a red light in june" then that image he paints of sitting on the moon to make a fire. its sitting on a toilet with a lighter. he said in an interview that all he did when he was partying around people was stay in the bathroom smoking. Crazy.
Quote from: Sunbath on Apr 25, 2016, 11:02 AM
What difference does it make if it was made during original white pony sessions and just finished later on due to label pressure? Even then it was a song that they decided to scrape off the album. FACT is that it wasn't on the first version of the album.
People obviously want to know, because they care about it. Hell, they want to know if the person they love is lying to them.
In this case, he is.
Cause if he couldn't really remember, he would just state that he isn't exactly sure on some details.
Like I said, on the leaked album, 6 months before release, it was on it.
Cyndicate, could you please share this leak? ;)
Quote from: deftones86 on Apr 25, 2016, 11:13 AM
ok so never mind all this back to school BS
but that working title for Rx Queen "ice-skates". that song is about his meth addiction. " I wont stop following you" "Your my girl if you sting me thats all right" then something happened in around his birthday "June 20th" that made him stop "saw a red light in june" then that image he paints of sitting on the moon to make a fire. its sitting on a toilet with a lighter. he said in an interview that all he did when he was partying around people was stay in the bathroom smoking. Crazy.
damn
Quote from: deftones86 on Apr 25, 2016, 11:13 AM
ok so never mind all this back to school BS
well to be fair, this IS the back to school thread..
Quote from: deftones86 on Apr 25, 2016, 11:13 AM
but that working title for Rx Queen "ice-skates". that song is about his meth addiction.
sounds like your interpretation? according to chino,he didn't do meth - he did cocaine during wp.he told kerrang in 2006 he spent 2 years doing speed, around 2004-2005. (speed,not meth,meth is much stronger than speed) according to him wp was the cocaine record, hence the title.
Chino: "
I'd been through the coke thing making 'White Pony'. That was really the drug of choice and at that time it still seemed like fun. I got over that, but then i got introduced to speed."
But again, who knows
he's also done meth during SNW sessions though, I remember reading an interview where he said one of the producers (ezrin?) found his meth pipe or something
i wouldn't be surprised. but i do think wp era was cocaine
drugs on deftones is one of the topics of which im interested the most.
Quote from: float here 4ever on Apr 25, 2016, 02:19 PM
Cyndicate, could you please share this leak? ;)
Yes, when I can go thru that old box of discs and dig it out, I will. I am swamped with fights until this weekend is over.
rx = reina / queen :)
Quote from: cvthedrv on Apr 24, 2016, 04:16 PM
im very corious about the original titles of the white pony songs, any idea of the other songs titles? rx queen, street carp, teenager or korea ( wasn't this just white pony?)
1. New Murderer
2. Nightrider
3. Elite
4. Iceskates
5. (DON'T REMEMBER)
6. Teenager
7. Knife Party at the Niko
8. White Pony
9. Timbaland
10. Flint Eastwood
11. Pink Maggot
12. Mini Maggot
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Apr 25, 2016, 12:19 PM
Quote from: Sunbath on Apr 25, 2016, 11:02 AM
What difference does it make if it was made during original white pony sessions and just finished later on due to label pressure? Even then it was a song that they decided to scrape off the album. FACT is that it wasn't on the first version of the album.
People obviously want to know, because they care about it. Hell, they want to know if the person they love is lying to them.
In this case, he is.
Cause if he couldn't really remember, he would just state that he isn't exactly sure on some details.
Like I said, on the leaked album, 6 months before release, it was on it.
Not really an answer to my queston though. For the sake of argument let's say they indeed lied about the timeline. That would mean they still didn't think it was worth putting on the original version of the album in the first place and they still thought it was a mistake right after the song was released ("a stupid fucking song that i don't even fucking like" quote from Entertain Me Film where Chino talks about performing Back To School on Conan O'Brien). I'd say it's just a minor detail on what point the song was made. I mean they're being honest on how they feel about the song, the video and their label having them to do something they didn't want to. That to me takes a lot of balls to admit and is far more important and meaningful.. Just wondering. Carry on!
Quote from: chino
In one day I rewrote the music and the lyrics, we recorded and then I said 'Is that what you were talking about?' And then they said they were going to release it with a video, they were going to get Paul Hunter who directed Eminem videos to do it, so at that point I was like 'Whatever, I'll trust you, I don't care'. When a record company gets behind you like that it's hard to say no, because the years prior they wouldn't give us the time of day. So the fact they wanted to push things and pay for things was great. I look back on it now and I don't regret it – it's not a terrible song – but the only thing I made a point on was that when it came to do the reissue, they reissued the original record without that song on. It came out and it did what it did.
http://www.rocksound.tv/features/read/deftones-how-white-pony-almost-killed-us (http://www.rocksound.tv/features/read/deftones-how-white-pony-almost-killed-us)
Just wanted to add this
edit:
I found an article which names another working title (CYUA)
http://www.mtv.com/news/620051/deftones-softening-on-next-lp/ (http://www.mtv.com/news/620051/deftones-softening-on-next-lp/)
Quote from: loeir on Apr 26, 2016, 12:12 AM
Quote from: chino
In one day I rewrote the music and the lyrics, we recorded and then I said 'Is that what you were talking about?' And then they said they were going to release it with a video, they were going to get Paul Hunter who directed Eminem videos to do it, so at that point I was like 'Whatever, I'll trust you, I don't care'. When a record company gets behind you like that it's hard to say no, because the years prior they wouldn't give us the time of day. So the fact they wanted to push things and pay for things was great. I look back on it now and I don't regret it – it's not a terrible song – but the only thing I made a point on was that when it came to do the reissue, they reissued the original record without that song on. It came out and it did what it did.
http://www.rocksound.tv/features/read/deftones-how-white-pony-almost-killed-us (http://www.rocksound.tv/features/read/deftones-how-white-pony-almost-killed-us)
Just wanted to add this
edit:
I found an article which names another working title (CYUA)
http://www.mtv.com/news/620051/deftones-softening-on-next-lp/ (http://www.mtv.com/news/620051/deftones-softening-on-next-lp/)
CYUA I think is wrong.
I think it was CIYF.
i have always wondered if he's lying, or just talking about "finishing" BTS. because they did change it a decent amount from the leak version. so he could be talking about finishing it, or just straight fibbing, drugs, or terrible memory. combo of 1 2 3?
could be that they did write it in 45min(leak version), & the record company got them to do it before the leak(because they felt change was the only single), but left it off the album because they felt it didn't fit, & months later the label asked them if they'd finish it & add it to the album.
Quote from: Hidalgo on Apr 26, 2016, 02:20 AM
could be that they did write it in 45min(leak version), & the record company got them to do it before the leak(because they felt change was the only single), but left it off the album because they felt it didn't fit, & months later the label asked them if they'd finish it & add it to the album.
i guess it's possible that back to school didn't exist when deftones first gave the record to the label. maybe the label asked them to rewrite pink maggit cause they wanted a hit nu metal song - deftones agreed - and the whole thing leaked after that.
maybe it became a plan, like a compromise, deftones got their way (without back to school) and then the label got their way with it on. it's just later when it was time to release back to school, label-style, the label wanted to dust it off and wanted a "fresher" version
My guess is that they initially scrapped it cause it wouldn't be worth spoiling the album but when Change became a major hit, the label felt that with BTS, they could make a shit load of money, and offered quite some money to Deftones to finish that song, so they decided to finalize it anyway. That's also the part that Chino doesn't want to tell us.
The fact that you have to guess at all, means he has lied to an extent.
Quote from: digital bath on Apr 24, 2016, 10:32 AM
and yeah Papa Roach was also pretty good,
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljimtg53D11qzbl7f.gif)
i still got a cd without Back to School... remember buying it from small music shop in small town after hearing Back to School on TV..but the track wasnt there... never wodered why :D few months later got ep...
great track live
loved Chi's backing vocals
Quote from: Caín on Apr 25, 2016, 10:50 PM
Quote from: cvthedrv on Apr 24, 2016, 04:16 PM
im very corious about the original titles of the white pony songs, any idea of the other songs titles? rx queen, street carp, teenager or korea ( wasn't this just white pony?)
1. New Murderer
2. Nightrider
3. Elite
4. Iceskates
5. (DON'T REMEMBER)
6. Teenager
7. Knife Party at the Niko
8. White Pony
9. Timbaland
10. Flint Eastwood
11. Pink Maggot
12. Mini Maggot
(http://filestar.czweb.org/covers/last03/deftones_the_white_pony_BACK.jpg)
This is one of the bootlegs, there had been multiple ones. But it was not the WP leak I downloaded back in the day. Maybe when The Cyndicate finds the time to upload his old files or take a screenshot of them, we will be smarter. I don't even remember whether BTS was called that already or Mini Maggit, but I do remember it coming on after Pink Maggit. This bootleg pic looks a little sketchy, because it has both Digital Bath and Nightrider on, and Nightrider was Digital Bath's original name. And, just like I mentioned, the opening song being called New Murderer (which was Feiticeira) but then a different song titled Feiticeira on it.
Quote from: loeir on Apr 26, 2016, 12:12 AM
edit:
I found an article which names another working title (CYUA)
http://www.mtv.com/news/620051/deftones-softening-on-next-lp/ (http://www.mtv.com/news/620051/deftones-softening-on-next-lp/)
QuoteCYUA I think is wrong.
I think it was CIYF.
You are right. We are talking about Elite here. Chino himself has said in an interview that the song was titled CIYF until recording it, just to give it a name. I read the CYUA acronym on two websites already. I think it's simply a mistake.
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Apr 26, 2016, 07:01 PM
The fact that you have to guess at all, means he has lied to an extent.
Wow
Quote from: GreenMaggit on Apr 27, 2016, 10:48 PM
Quote from: Caín on Apr 25, 2016, 10:50 PM
Quote from: cvthedrv on Apr 24, 2016, 04:16 PM
im very corious about the original titles of the white pony songs, any idea of the other songs titles? rx queen, street carp, teenager or korea ( wasn't this just white pony?)
1. New Murderer
2. Nightrider
3. Elite
4. Iceskates
5. (DON'T REMEMBER)
6. Teenager
7. Knife Party at the Niko
8. White Pony
9. Timbaland
10. Flint Eastwood
11. Pink Maggot
12. Mini Maggot
(http://filestar.czweb.org/covers/last03/deftones_the_white_pony_BACK.jpg)
This is one of the bootlegs, there had been multiple ones. But it was not the WP leak I downloaded back in the day. Maybe when The Cyndicate finds the time to upload his old files or take a screenshot of them, we will be smarter. I don't even remember whether BTS was called that already or Mini Maggit, but I do remember it coming on after Pink Maggit. This bootleg pic looks a little sketchy, because it has both Digital Bath and Nightrider on, and Nightrider was Digital Bath's original name. And, just like I mentioned, the opening song being called New Murderer (which was Feiticeira) but then a different song titled Feiticeira on it.
Quote from: loeir on Apr 26, 2016, 12:12 AM
edit:
I found an article which names another working title (CYUA)
http://www.mtv.com/news/620051/deftones-softening-on-next-lp/ (http://www.mtv.com/news/620051/deftones-softening-on-next-lp/)
QuoteCYUA I think is wrong.
I think it was CIYF.
You are right. We are talking about Elite here. Chino himself has said in an interview that the song was titled CIYF until recording it, just to give it a name. I read the CYUA acronym on two websites already. I think it's simply a mistake.
Feiticeira was on one of the leaks I had, but it was a name attached to the wrong song.
I am interested on pulling all of this back out, I just figured everyone still had it and that it was all over the net.
It's not really a big deal that he lied about it, it's just odd.
Quote from: from_musings on Apr 25, 2016, 07:17 PM
Quote from: deftones86 on Apr 25, 2016, 11:13 AM
ok so never mind all this back to school BS
well to be fair, this IS the back to school thread..
Quote from: deftones86 on Apr 25, 2016, 11:13 AM
but that working title for Rx Queen "ice-skates". that song is about his meth addiction.
sounds like your interpretation? according to chino,he didn't do meth - he did cocaine during wp.he told kerrang in 2006 he spent 2 years doing speed, around 2004-2005. (speed,not meth,meth is much stronger than speed) according to him wp was the cocaine record, hence the title.
Chino: "I'd been through the coke thing making 'White Pony'. That was really the drug of choice and at that time it still seemed like fun. I got over that, but then i got introduced to speed."
But again, who knows
Meth = speed. Google it.
Quote from: therealdaebat on Apr 28, 2016, 01:36 PM
Quote from: from_musings on Apr 25, 2016, 07:17 PM
Quote from: deftones86 on Apr 25, 2016, 11:13 AM
ok so never mind all this back to school BS
well to be fair, this IS the back to school thread..
Quote from: deftones86 on Apr 25, 2016, 11:13 AM
but that working title for Rx Queen "ice-skates". that song is about his meth addiction.
sounds like your interpretation? according to chino,he didn't do meth - he did cocaine during wp.he told kerrang in 2006 he spent 2 years doing speed, around 2004-2005. (speed,not meth,meth is much stronger than speed) according to him wp was the cocaine record, hence the title.
Chino: "I'd been through the coke thing making 'White Pony'. That was really the drug of choice and at that time it still seemed like fun. I got over that, but then i got introduced to speed."
But again, who knows
Meth = speed. Google it.
No it's not. Speed = amphetamine which is not the same thing as methamphetamine.
http://www.drugs.com/illicit/speed.html (http://www.drugs.com/illicit/speed.html)
To clarify: methamphetamine synthesizes down to amphetamine in your body.
I still remember some of them
New Murder was Feit
Digital Bath could of been Nightrider, but some say it was something different
Cum In Your Face was Elite...
People say that Ice Skates was Rx
Teenager was always called it
Flint Eastwood turned into Flint, and then it became Change
Timbaland was Passenger
Knife Party at Niko's was.........well Knife Prty
Pink Maggot.......all they did was change the O
Im assuming White Pony was Korea
The Boys Republic was called Webster too
Not meaning to be rude, but I don't see how you thought it would be needed to exactly copy what everybody has been saying multiple times on two pages.
well i dont recall anyone saying webster, or what timbland and flint was
First page. Third post. Read the thread before you copypaste.
We could do with a little less drug and a little more music talk, too ;)
Quote from: GreenMaggit on Apr 29, 2016, 11:27 PM
First page. Third post. Read the thread before you copypaste.
We could do with a little less drug and a little more music talk, too ;)
I did read, i just didnt notiec it or i already forgot. i have shit memory.
okay well in any case, thatsd for people who dont want to read all of it :p
Alright, fight week is over, so this week I will go thru all of my boxes and try to find the original copy of the leaked version, with Webster on it.
That would be cool, Cyndicate!
Quote from: GreenMaggit on May 03, 2016, 11:48 PM
That would be cool, Cyndicate!
Yup.
Haven't found it yet, but I have several copies, plus a pulled hard drive. I'll find it somewhere.
Just an update, I have been searching every disc I have in my spare time, and have yet to find the 3 copies I know I have. I will keep looking until I find them.
I'm sure we all appreciate it. Thank you for looking for it.
Quote from: GreenMaggit on May 13, 2016, 09:08 AM
I'm sure we all appreciate it. Thank you for looking for it.
No problem, I will find them. They are all in the same case, it's just that I have moved from the east coast to Las Vegas since then. So they are in a box somewhere, in a white and clear case, with a silver and black cover. I remember it exactly, it's just finding it that's the problem.
It's sort of scaring me, because I just figured everyone had it. Sort of nerve racking that it comes down to me finding them, in order to save them for posterity.
I too had hoped more people had the leak, am really surprised.
I lost mine while moving 8 years ago, along with Kurt Cobain and Chris Cornell demos and some PS1 games and books that I think have been stolen from me.
the leak sounded like the final thing, just worse quality. the only exception was mini maggit and the song titles. don't see any reason to post the mp3's again when we have all the titles and first version mini maggit on youtube
Then go somewhere you would rather be and let us look for what we are trying to find. We are not certain of the song titles, as all our memories were fuzzy and I previously posted a screenshot of another leak, which is not the one I downloaded back in 2000.
OK, it's official.
Been through every box in this house, no CD.
Looks like I'll have to make time to go to the storage unit at some point.
Thank you for looking for the files, Cyn.
Crazy how none of us seem to have this available any longer. I really thought at least some people would have kept it?
Quote from: GreenMaggit on May 29, 2016, 02:57 PM
Thank you for looking for the files, Cyn.
Crazy how none of us seem to have this available any longer. I really thought at least some people would have kept it?
No problem.
We will get it back. I know I have it, it's just a matter of time.
Quote from: The Cyndicate on May 29, 2016, 07:41 PM
Quote from: GreenMaggit on May 29, 2016, 02:57 PM
Thank you for looking for the files, Cyn.
Crazy how none of us seem to have this available any longer. I really thought at least some people would have kept it?
No problem.
We will get it back. I know I have it, it's just a matter of time.
any lick with that so far?
And so far?
Nope, I have to go to a storage unit, in another state.
I really wish I would have known or that other people would keep their copies.