What the fck is going on with them just playing 2 songs of Gore on the tour that supposedly is promoting the album?! It's a joke.
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Those 4 plus MX and Prince being played is very cool, but the rest of the setlist is the saaame batch of songs they've been doing since 2010. How the fck are they not playing their own new shiny baby.
Quote from: Moana91 on May 18, 2016, 06:45 AM
What the fck is going on with them just playing 2 songs of Gore on the tour that supposedly is promoting the album?! It's a joke.
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Those 4 plus MX and Prince being played is very cool, but the rest of the setlist is the saaame batch of songs they've been doing since 2010. How the fck are they not playing their own new shiny baby.
It's been discussed quite a bit here. I have no explanation as to why they are playing two songs from their brand new album. They either do not like the album, do not like the songs, or they cannot pull off the songs in a live setting.
I don't mind those songs you mentioned. WHTY and Rickets and ATF and MX are cool tracks - but I would expect maybe some of these deeper cuts on maybe a SECOND tour after the album was released.
If the set list doesn't change for the "bigger" summer tour, I'm done seeing them live. I've always been against nostalgia tour.
I want them to play Gore, AH & LMIRL live pretty bad.
Good question.
I wanna see some live version of "Phantom Bride", this track is gold
prolly realized the album was subpar and the songs dont work live (ie: Chino cant pull them off)
Quote from: jaypayton on May 18, 2016, 09:09 PM
prolly realized the album was subpar and the songs dont work live (ie: Chino cant pull them off)
I really dont think its fair for the fans too. I wish Chino would get over his distaste of S/T and SNW. If Jonathan Davis can get through a whole tour playing the whole Korn album which including singing Daddy, Chino can sing those "depressing songs" granted they are depressing, but man....give and take dude
I criticized the set list on Facebook. People didn't like that lol
If they don't bring it in Europe, I can see the riot
Quote from: Vesanic on May 18, 2016, 11:08 PM
If they don't bring it in Europe, I can see the riot
Well according to people on Facebook the band aren't slaves and they don't owe us anything. And make sure to not say anthing about a $50 tank top on their merch store.
Quote from: kurtone on May 18, 2016, 11:54 PM
Well according to people on Facebook the band aren't slaves and they don't owe us anything.
Exactly what people say when someone criticises Tool for not bothering to write an album for ten years.
Quote from: LG95 on May 19, 2016, 12:10 AM
Exactly what people say when someone criticises Tool for not bothering to write an album for ten years.
But the ones they did write...
I love my Deftones, and they're my favorite band, mainly because they've been consistently really very good over the entire course of their career. But my favorite albums ever, probably at least the top 10 of them, aren't even from Deftones. Even so, there's just something that keeps me from placing that band over Deftones.. like they don't have enough albums to warrant that, or they only have a couple good ones then fell off, or they only got good late in their career and the earlier albums aren't my thing, or something else.
Anyway, my point is, Lateralus is one of those albums. I wouldn't even care if they didn't continue, the 4 full lengths we've got are too fucking perfect as it is. I'd be worried they would taint their discography if they made another one, then again it would still probably be awesome...
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Quote from: LG95 on May 19, 2016, 12:10 AM
Exactly what people say when someone criticises Tool for not bothering to write an album for ten years.
But the ones they did write...
I love my Deftones, and they're my favorite band, mainly because they've been consistently really very good over the entire course of their career. But my favorite albums ever, probably at least the top 10 of them, aren't even from Deftones. Even so, there's just something that keeps me from placing that band over Deftones.. like they don't have enough albums to warrant that, or they only have a couple good ones then fell off, or they only got good late in their career and the earlier albums aren't my thing, or something else.
Anyway, my point is, Lateralus is one of those albums. I wouldn't even care if they didn't continue, the 4 full lengths we've got are too fucking perfect as it is. I'd be worried they would taint their discography if they made another one, then again it would still probably be awesome...
Yeah but people still have every right to criticise a band for going ten years without releasing an album and yet you still get others blaring away "THEY OWE YOU NOTHING, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE BLAH BLAH BLAH." It's just sycophants who don't seem to understand that being critical of a band doesn't mean you're ungrateful. People are more than entitled to say that Deftones should change up the spine of their setlist and play more songs from their new album in the same way that they're entitled to say that Tool should write an album or just stop bothering being a band.
Quote from: LG95 on May 19, 2016, 11:42 AM
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on May 19, 2016, 01:39 AM
Quote from: LG95 on May 19, 2016, 12:10 AM
Exactly what people say when someone criticises Tool for not bothering to write an album for ten years.
But the ones they did write...
I love my Deftones, and they're my favorite band, mainly because they've been consistently really very good over the entire course of their career. But my favorite albums ever, probably at least the top 10 of them, aren't even from Deftones. Even so, there's just something that keeps me from placing that band over Deftones.. like they don't have enough albums to warrant that, or they only have a couple good ones then fell off, or they only got good late in their career and the earlier albums aren't my thing, or something else.
Anyway, my point is, Lateralus is one of those albums. I wouldn't even care if they didn't continue, the 4 full lengths we've got are too fucking perfect as it is. I'd be worried they would taint their discography if they made another one, then again it would still probably be awesome...
Yeah but people still have every right to criticise a band for going ten years without releasing an album and yet you still get others blaring away "THEY OWE YOU NOTHING, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE BLAH BLAH BLAH." It's just sycophants who don't seem to understand that being critical of a band doesn't mean you're ungrateful. People are more than entitled to say that Deftones should change up the spine of their setlist and play more songs from their new album in the same way that they're entitled to say that Tool should write an album or just stop bothering being a band.
Yep, I agree. People are weird. I don't know if they think that makes them a "true fan," or what... but it's annoying.
people have no right to tell a band to release an album..but they have every right to criticize a setlist since the band charges money to see them play.....if they were playing free concerts it would be a different story
Recent interview with Stephen on liquid metal, around the 6 minute mark he addresses the lack of new songs on their setlist
https://youtu.be/0oMcYNP9Skk
Thanks bro. Well I hope they rehearse more new tracks, I'm sure the shows will still be a blast but it's so disappointing when everyone is hyped on the new album and they barely play anything from it, you know. They must realise that.
Still buzzing to see them live for my 3rd time no matter what they play though as I love every 'tones album. And unlike a lot of SL members, I still go nuts for Rocket Skates and Diamond Eyes.
Quote from: Suq Madiq on May 19, 2016, 07:18 PM
Recent interview with Stephen on liquid metal, around the 6 minute mark he addresses the lack of new songs on their setlist
https://youtu.be/0oMcYNP9Skk
They've been sitting on this album for a year, that isn't really good enough.
he says they have responsibilities now?....well one being in Deftones and keeping it going and fresh..not it being a drag and just play the same set cuz its what they know cmon....i guess they'll change it a much as Steph moves from his stage spot....never.
basically steph says in the interview they are bored of playing the same old songs but dont feel like being bothered to get together to rehearse different songs LMAO..maybe Chino could take the time out of his busy schedule fronting 7 other bands???...the guy just admitted they are too lazy to be bothered to change the set,....unreal. if ever there was a death knell for a band...too fucking lazy to be bothered to rehearse...what a joke
Yeah we all get that... But if chino and Sergio have time to change the colors of their hair & the rest also have time to do whatever they do best... I'm pretty sure they'll find the time to do some rehearsal and bring new stuff to the table...
Really sad to hear that response from Steph. It's almost insulting. First of all, each member should know his part on every single song from every single album perfectly. Secondly, they can always use soundchecks as rehearsals for new songs. See right on the venue if they're feeling it being playable. I mean, it's not like it's a Mozart symphony.
It sounds like, "ok listen, we have responsabilities more important than playing for you our new album, which by the way IS the reason we are talking right now, going off for MONTHS to tour around the world, have a giant canvas of the flamingos every night on the back of the stage, etc, etc."
A real joke. What a shame.
They just seem lazy at this point to try new stuff live..steph more than anything always blazing..nothing wrong with that but complains when other people party or what direction of the band is going...how can anything change if your set to play the only songs you know how to play live.
My bet is that they're holding off debuting live Gore songs for Europe.
When they were forced to cancel the euro tour in November (and rightly so), they did say they'd make it up to fans.
I reckon at the first euro show (Wembley, London), we'll hear a tonne of Gore material live for the first time.
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Quote from: jaypayton on May 20, 2016, 01:55 AM
basically steph says in the interview they are bored of playing the same old songs but dont feel like being bothered to get together to rehearse different songs LMAO..maybe Chino could take the time out of his busy schedule fronting 7 other bands???...the guy just admitted they are too lazy to be bothered to change the set,....unreal. if ever there was a death knell for a band...too fucking lazy to be bothered to rehearse...what a joke
They don't feel like rehearsing? Did he actually say that?
What a fucking joke.
Quote from: stu_101 on May 20, 2016, 12:59 PM
My bet is that they're holding off debuting live Gore songs for Europe.
When they were forced to cancel the euro tour in November (and rightly so), they did say they'd make it up to fans.
I reckon at the first euro show (Wembley, London), we'll hear a tonne of Gore material live for the first time.
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I hope you're right because I'm going to that show, but I'm 90% sure it'll be exactly the same as the current setlist.
I get what Stef is saying and it shines a light on something that I didn't consider, but they're playing MX and WHTY, which they haven't played in a long time/ever. They obviously can play new songs. It might take them longer to rehearse them enough that they're solid, but they've had the songs finished for a very long time, they could've rehearsed any time they were together. I still hope they debut more new songs. Like yeah, Rocket Skates and Diamond Eyes you guys are solid at playing...because you've been playing them every single show since 2010. Time for a change.
Well, Radiohead opened with the first 5 songs of their new album and played (most of) the rest of it during the rest of the show, still playing...
Quote from: arsenalfc on May 20, 2016, 08:17 PM
Well, Radiohead opened with the first 5 songs of their new album and played (most of) the rest of it during the rest of the show, still playing...
LOL. I was coming here to say the exact same thing. Following the set list tweets. HAHA
Radiohead has its shit together.
they need to try out all their songs live a few times at least. yes even phantom bridef without a random cowboy to play the solo. Stephen needs to actually sit down and practice it & tinker around until he has it down(Jerry would be super proud of him i bet, & would gladly send him the tabs if he's not sure of them. but 0.00000000% chance of this, Stef would never in a billion years try and learn it )they should at the very least played doomed user and hearts/wires. both sounded fine live when they played them
Quote from: arsenalfc on May 20, 2016, 08:17 PM
Well, Radiohead opened with the first 5 songs of their new album and played (most of) the rest of it during the rest of the show, still playing...
When I saw Radiohead back on the In Rainbows tour they played every single song off the album.
All I've been hearing from this band are excuses:
They don't like playing new songs before the album comes out because they want the fans to hear the recorded version first.
Chino won't play songs from
S/T and SNW because it was a tough time for the band.
Now, they don't feel like rehearsing new songs? YOU HAVE ONE JOB: RECORD AND PERFORM SONGS. People pay money to buy your recordings and listen to the new songs that are supposed to be performed.
I've never been more disappointed with this band.
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I'm stoked they're playing Mx, at least.
I was so excited for this new album and tour. I was ready to go to like 2-3 shows all of which are more than 2 hours away but not after looking at that setlist. Is this the Around the Fur Tour or Gore Tour?! I'll go to a show if it comes to town but I'm not going out of my way.
Personally, i'd be disappointed if they played more than 2 tracks from Gore. All i need to hear is Hearts/wires, Acid hologram, and maybe rubicon.
They should be able to pull off any song in their catalog without rehearsing I would think. They have been doing this for enough time where the song should just be second nature to them.
That interview just reiterated the fact that I will not be seeing them live until something changes........sad man
Quote from: B_S_79 on May 21, 2016, 01:17 PM
All I've been hearing from this band are excuses:
They don't like playing new songs before the album comes out because they want the fans to hear the recorded version first.
Chino won't play songs from
S/T and SNW because it was a tough time for the band.
Now, they don't feel like rehearsing new songs? YOU HAVE ONE JOB: RECORD AND PERFORM SONGS. People pay money to buy your recordings and listen to the new songs that are supposed to be performed.
I've never been more disappointed with this band.
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You are right.....they have ONE job - deftones!! They are just going through the motions.
I would bet most of the people seeing them live nowadays have never seen them before and it sucks because they are seeing a shell of the band we love
You know who releases new albums just as a formality? Nostalgia acts. Bands that never alter the set list, never plays new songs. Jimmy fucking Buffett does that. Stone Temple Pilots did that.
These shows are cash grabs. The summer tour set list better change.
So disappointed.
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Notice how SNW is not included in Stef's guitar rack lists....
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Notice how SNW is not included in Stef's guitar rack lists....
Didn't see Gore there either. Haha.
Or DE or KNY. It's the first four albums then two recent setlists.
Quote from: arsenalfc on May 20, 2016, 08:17 PM
Well, Radiohead opened with the first 5 songs of their new album and played (most of) the rest of it during the rest of the show, still playing...
@radioheadlive: "Radiohead have played 41 different songs across the first four shows of the tour..."
Just sayin... :-\
I'll be pissed if they won't play nothing new in Berlin (except p/t). 600 miles trip to see old stuff in quite underwhelming performance (at least accordingly to the last youtube rips/recordings) :-\
Notice how you only see two walls and not the third wall on the inside? Its easy to make assumptions without all the info.
But you cannot expect a lot of fans to not be confused or pissed at the fact that a band just released a new album, they buy tickets to the tour and they play only 1 or 2 new songs. They didn't have time to rehearse them Steph says, yet they can bust out What Happened To You, Mx and Prince.
Quote from: B_S_79 on May 21, 2016, 01:17 PM
All I've been hearing from this band are excuses:
They don't like playing new songs before the album comes out because they want the fans to hear the recorded version first.
Chino won't play songs from
S/T and SNW because it was a tough time for the band.
Now, they don't feel like rehearsing new songs? YOU HAVE ONE JOB: RECORD AND PERFORM SONGS. People pay money to buy your recordings and listen to the new songs that are supposed to be performed.
I've never been more disappointed with this band.
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In all honesty, this is just hard to dispute. I'm debating on whether I should attend the upcoming German gigs or not, no kidding.
It will be interesting in the next tour, now that Stef doesn't travel by plane and with a new bassist