Who hates the S/T, or thinks it's their worst/weakest effort, and why?

[from_musings]

Haha, dude, each topic of this board has probably ten copies of itself. We'll never be able to make people stop creating topics that already exist.

just tried to not make it eleven. people will never stop killing each other but that doesn't mean it's acceptable, always fight for the right thing 

[Deadradio]

I LOVE the S/T album!!! So dark!

[from_musings]

yeah.. like i love deathblow, one of their saddest songs their ever wrote.kinda slow pace while chino sounding really grief stricken... and then BAM - wgtb with some brutal skull cracking riffs while chino screaming his lungs out,sounding so desperate and miserable. many different aspects of darkness like this on this record

[therealdaebat]

Saturday Night Wrist was their weakest effort.  Self Titled had so much depth and I could never understand why people hated on it.  I have it on vinyl and listen to it regularly.

[UrZ*]

It's good album, good ideas, good riffs... but sometimes it's lazy yeah.. some songs are so bland and don't have anything going for them really. It's not weak or hated..

[from_musings]

Saturday Night Wrist was their weakest effort.

i love deftones with a passion, but that album sucked all the way, in every way

[Northcal]

S/t = beautiful depresive musica,a rainy day  :'(classic

[deftoolsys07]

Saturday Night Wrist was their weakest effort.

i love deftones with a passion, but that album sucked all the way, in every way

Funny, I actually just popped SNW in my car today for the first time in years. Some decent tracks, but definitely my least favorite album. It was a very forgettable record. Thus being the reason I hadn't listened to it in years hahaha...

[Vesanic]

Rivière doesn't suck, you crazy bitches.

[rufas]

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[from_musings]

haha catchy 

[Corleone]

I like the whole album minus Good morning Beautiful. The production is top notch, even lucky you is really good for what it is.

[from_musings]

lucky you makes the record a little more diverse by being spacey and electronic, but again - it still has a great darkness to it and it's heavy in it's own way. those haunting, eeire melodies gives me the chills. the song kinda pauses the journey for a while and put you in a different weird place where you don't know where you are and you get this lost,claustrophobic feeling.and i love it. once the song's is over and you "get out for air" another sledgehammar of misery hits you. i think bloody cape is brilliantly placed after lucky you, the opening chords to b.c fits so damn well

[DEFinatelydeftones,fsho]

Saturday Night Wrist was their weakest effort.

i love deftones with a passion, but that album sucked all the way, in every way

I remember a few people here in the past not being in love w ST as they are now. It grew on them. U will prob b bopping your head to SNW later on in life just as u have w other records and the rest of us as well. Hated SNW myself at first listen but I enjoy it thoroughly now. A lot of u SNW haters will end up "getting" it. Even if it's bc u have burnt yourself outta the others...u will crave some Deftones and it will happen most likely I think. Or not

[sing blue silver]

My bands drummer doesn't like S/T or SNW all that much for the same reasons a lot of people don't like those albums. I love them because I felt they were so left of centre and just like nothing Deftones had done before. That's also why a lot of people hate them.
They took a lot of risks making those records and with White Pony taking those kind of risks worked but that album is much less dark (I feel) than S/T and, to a lesser extent, SNW. You can play White Pony at a party with your friends and get away with it. S/T has a lot of somber feeling and melancholic songs on it and that turns some people off. Personally, thats a big reason why it's my favorite record.
Also I always thought S/T was where Terry Date really got it right. Spot on production throughout the entire record. Stephen's guitars in particular stand out to me (ex. Hexagram, Battle Axe, Bloody Cape). Losing Terry on SNW had a bigger impact than some might think. That change in how they sound on record really turned people off of SNW.
In closing, I can understand why people don't like these two records but honestly, they're my two favorite Deftones albums and two of my favorite all time albums by any band.

[from_musings]

i think adrenaline and around the fur can be lumped into a 2 when speaking of records, but st and snw has nothing in common soundwise to me. i agree on what you said about the production though, it's very important

[from_musings]

U will prob b bopping your head to SNW later on in life

long story short, i know myself and know why i dislike it and this won't happen.

[sing blue silver]

i think adrenaline and around the fur can be lumped into a 2 when speaking of records, but st and snw has nothing in common soundwise to me. i agree on what you said about the production though, it's very important

The sound of S/T and SNW differs greatly, I always kind of lump them together because I get that "dark days of deftones" feeling from both of them and they seem to be the two least liked albums among casual fans.

[from_musings]

the causal deftones listeners that dig back to school and change don't make out the rules and the dark days term only exist because deftones and the media said so with words,there's no connection in the music (maybe buffalo/finger of death but it got scrapped, perhaps because they wanted to distance themselves from the s/t record even more) but since the actual music comes first,not the circumstances in the band members lives, i personally think it's misleading to lump those records together. i think that if a best record poll at this board would be done now, s/t wouldn't be among the last two,it probably would be snw and d.e. maybe st would beat adrenaline too.

[deftones86]

S/T is probably my second favorite after ATF. maybe its because i've played out White Pony. I've given it a break for awhile. But battle-axe is the best track in my opinion. Abes drums sound fucking thunderous in the intro.