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They should be more careful then!
They worked on that ~3 months... as it's been said numerous times previously.
fast internet connection!
I agree with him. Impatience of the masses has killed art.
I for one shall be glad on Friday when I pick up the CD, smell the artwork, analyse the booklet and listen to the album for the first time.
Quote from: aj on Apr 28, 2010, 11:37 AM
Impatience of the masses has killed art.
Truth.
You know , it just popped into my mind.. once albums go 100% digital.. I bet early leaks will stop.
Quote from: iceache on Apr 28, 2010, 04:20 PM
You know , it just popped into my mind.. once albums go 100% digital.. I bet early leaks will stop.
that would suck ass man! theres nothing better than having the real deal..
Quote from: theis on Apr 28, 2010, 11:58 AM
Quote from: aj on Apr 28, 2010, 11:37 AM
Impatience of the masses has killed art.
Truth.
Indeed. I'm guilty of it as well. :-[
Quote from: White Wrist on Apr 28, 2010, 11:16 AM
fast internet connection!
LOL
Quote from: yeah on Apr 28, 2010, 10:37 AM
They worked on that ~3 months... as it's been said numerous times previously.
right
Quote from: aj on Apr 28, 2010, 11:37 AM
I for one shall be glad on Friday when I pick up the CD, smell the artwork, analyse the booklet and listen to the album for the first time.
Excuse my ignorance..but how come you get the CD on Friday?
Quote from: Starz on Apr 28, 2010, 04:56 PM
Quote from: aj on Apr 28, 2010, 11:37 AM
I for one shall be glad on Friday when I pick up the CD, smell the artwork, analyse the booklet and listen to the album for the first time.
Excuse my ignorance..but how come you get the CD on Friday?
Germany has the release date on April 30 for DE
Quote from: theis on Apr 28, 2010, 11:58 AM
Quote from: aj on Apr 28, 2010, 11:37 AM
Impatience of the masses has killed art.
Truth.
Couldn't agree less really. Good music will always be good music and downloading albums has helped me get into pretty much all the bands I listen to today. I don't think Diamond Eyes, or any other album, is more enjoyable when listening though a pair of headphones on your mp3-player or listening to it on a CD.
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subliminal has been arguing for deftones leaking the record themsleves and that it is good for them, and now he is acting like he hasnt and now he is refering to the leaker as a "cunt"... is this guy for real..
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This is one of the best 'Tones interviews ever.
Stuff about Eros, stuff about recording Diamond Eyes, the stuff about Chi... it's enough to get emotional. And very uplifting too: Chino pinpoints exactly what was missing on the previous two records in my opinion. The fact that he flat out states things like 'we weren't trying hard enough' and 'we had to save the band, our career'... it puts them waaaay up in my respect book. wow.
edit: thanks Subliminal, hard work but it's worth it. I don't think Kerrang dramatised it much though, most of the drama is from the mouth of Chino himself.
Quote from: raynor on Apr 28, 2010, 06:01 PM
Quote from: theis on Apr 28, 2010, 11:58 AM
Quote from: aj on Apr 28, 2010, 11:37 AM
Impatience of the masses has killed art.
Truth.
Couldn't agree less really. Good music will always be good music and downloading albums has helped me get into pretty much all the bands I listen to today. I don't think Diamond Eyes, or any other album, is more enjoyable when listening though a pair of headphones on your mp3-player or listening to it on a CD.
Like you, I have been introduced to many a song/album online in <insert forum here>. Though I don't think that's entirely the point
aj was making when he/she said that impatience has killed art. I could be wrong, however.
My take on the statement is that our instant-gratification, now-now-now, internet society has (at the very least) without argument destroyed the classic album
experience. Which
is kind of sad for those of us old enough to remember sitting at our radio with a cassette tape, finger on record, ready to tape the song you just requested on the radio because the album doesn't come out for another two weeks. And maybe that was a form of impatience too, but at least it was impatience that you had to fucking work for, as opposed to downloading the full CD quality album a month early in three minutes.
Sometimes that asshole DJ would never even play your request. ;D
You know, there
is something to be said for waiting for something. Impatience is not a good quality. And what's happening in our society, especially with regard to audio releases (and film as well) is that there's this standard being set, for being impatient. It's become the absolute norm, to
expect something to be leaked early. And I feel like that's just setting a really bad precedent.
There's all this fucking demand for the newest thing. People's attention spans would put a goldfish to shame, anymore. And what happens with a situation like that is, someone
will see the opportunity to take advantage of the situation. It's usually some corporation ready to bleed it for all it's worth. The powers that be (be it production companies, record companies, etc...) are more than obliged to take the reigns. Create focus groups and establish target audiences. 'Discover' new 'talent' and market and sell them. They'll identify what will make money and what will not, and they will absolutely flood the market with it.
And I'm not knocking the process. It's a business, and it serves a purpose. The real problem is that the
demand is there. That's the unfortunate thing, and the reason why these companies succeed as well as they do. And it's precisely because of our impatience and insatiable need for something new, that this is able to happen. When people submit to this behavior as the norm, they sacrifice quality for mediocrity. They get
entertainment, instead of art.
That is what is destroying art.
And I'm not even knocking mindless entertainment. Mindless entertainment is great. But only when it's not at the expense of art. When it doesn't set a precedent of mediocrity. You know, when Brittany Spears is known the world over, but only three people I know have ever heard of The Cocteau Twins, that's a
bad thing. It's truly sad, in my humble opinon.
That said, I downloaded DE. Ha!
I was part of the problem on this one (I typically purchase my music). But I'm trying to change. ;D
Quote from: Moz on Apr 28, 2010, 08:12 PM
This is one of the best 'Tones interviews ever.
Yes, it was. Nice read. Thanks for posting.
Quote from: fetisher on Apr 28, 2010, 08:16 PMstuff
nice read.
I once was the ultimate internet consumer. downloading music and movies. then at one point I realised I never really ENJOYED listening or watching something. I always was in a hurry to get to the next thing. same with buying too much games, you dont have time to appreciate the stuff you're playing.
now I only download music to check out new bands that I don't know about. or if I really can't wait for it because it's one of my favourite bands (like the 'Tones). And if I like it I buy it. But I don't buy too much... don't want to oversaturate myself.
put simply, I want to collect stuff, but in a most minimalistic way possible. only the stuff I really want.
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he talked about his addiction? what did he say?
I agree with Chino when he talked about ST and SNW.. ''I don't know what I was thinking''.
I'm also glad that he brought up the weight issue.
Quote from: Moz on Apr 28, 2010, 08:47 PM
he talked about his addiction? what did he say?
He talked quite openly about doing speed during the SNW (or was it self-titled?) sessions.
It was a good interview. You can probly find it online.
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Quote from: fetisher on Apr 28, 2010, 08:16 PM
Quote from: raynor on Apr 28, 2010, 06:01 PM
Quote from: theis on Apr 28, 2010, 11:58 AM
Quote from: aj on Apr 28, 2010, 11:37 AM
Impatience of the masses has killed art.
Truth.
Couldn't agree less really. Good music will always be good music and downloading albums has helped me get into pretty much all the bands I listen to today. I don't think Diamond Eyes, or any other album, is more enjoyable when listening though a pair of headphones on your mp3-player or listening to it on a CD.
Like you, I have been introduced to many a song/album online in <insert forum here>. Though I don't think that's entirely the point aj was making when he/she said that impatience has killed art. I could be wrong, however.
My take on the statement is that our instant-gratification, now-now-now, internet society has (at the very least) without argument destroyed the classic album experience. Which is kind of sad for those of us old enough to remember sitting at our radio with a cassette tape, finger on record, ready to tape the song you just requested on the radio because the album doesn't come out for another two weeks. And maybe that was a form of impatience too, but at least it was impatience that you had to fucking work for, as opposed to downloading the full CD quality album a month early in three minutes.
Sometimes that asshole DJ would never even play your request. ;D
You know, there is something to be said for waiting for something. Impatience is not a good quality. And what's happening in our society, especially with regard to audio releases (and film as well) is that there's this standard being set, for being impatient. It's become the absolute norm, to expect something to be leaked early. And I feel like that's just setting a really bad precedent.
There's all this fucking demand for the newest thing. People's attention spans would put a goldfish to shame, anymore. And what happens with a situation like that is, someone will see the opportunity to take advantage of the situation. It's usually some corporation ready to bleed it for all it's worth. The powers that be (be it production companies, record companies, etc...) are more than obliged to take the reigns. Create focus groups and establish target audiences. 'Discover' new 'talent' and market and sell them. They'll identify what will make money and what will not, and they will absolutely flood the market with it.
And I'm not knocking the process. It's a business, and it serves a purpose. The real problem is that the demand is there. That's the unfortunate thing, and the reason why these companies succeed as well as they do. And it's precisely because of our impatience and insatiable need for something new, that this is able to happen. When people submit to this behavior as the norm, they sacrifice quality for mediocrity. They get entertainment, instead of art.
That is what is destroying art.
And I'm not even knocking mindless entertainment. Mindless entertainment is great. But only when it's not at the expense of art. When it doesn't set a precedent of mediocrity. You know, when Brittany Spears is known the world over, but only three people I know have ever heard of The Cocteau Twins, that's a bad thing. It's truly sad, in my humble opinon.
That said, I downloaded DE. Ha!
I was part of the problem on this one (I typically purchase my music). But I'm trying to change. ;D
A-fucking-men
I will post a more considered point when I get home :D
Quote from: Moz on Apr 28, 2010, 08:47 PM
he talked about his addiction? what did he say?
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=104889123&blogId=189681322 (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=104889123&blogId=189681322)
great interview. one of the best deftones interviews ever. can't believe even the elephant in the room weight issue was discussed
Quote from: Penicks on Apr 28, 2010, 09:01 PM
Quote from: Moz on Apr 28, 2010, 08:47 PM
he talked about his addiction? what did he say?
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=104889123&blogId=189681322 (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=104889123&blogId=189681322)
thanks
Quote from: Hidalgo on Apr 28, 2010, 09:38 PM
great interview. one of the best deftones interviews ever. can't believe even the elephant in the room weight issue was discussed
That's right, the interviewer (or maybe the band itself) discussed some points I never thought anyone would dare to point out.
Quote from: aj on Apr 28, 2010, 11:37 AM
I agree with him. Impatience of the masses has killed art.
I for one shall be glad on Friday when I pick up the CD, smell the artwork, analyse the booklet and listen to the album for the first time.
Enjoy it mate. I downloaded it, but a fresh CD and that first listen with the booklet in your hands.. Priceless. You did the best thing to wait for release IMO. I've waited for every 'tones release before this one. I just couldn't resist this time.
It absolutely blew me away. You're in for a fucking treat. It's really as good as everyone says it is.
I read this article in the mag earlier on. It's great.
Awesome interview, gracias.
Quote from: Deftones-argentina on Apr 28, 2010, 10:59 PM
Quote from: Hidalgo on Apr 28, 2010, 09:38 PM
great interview. one of the best deftones interviews ever. can't believe even the elephant in the room weight issue was discussed
That's right, the interviewer (or maybe the band itself) discussed some points I never thought anyone would dare to point out.
True. I appreciated that part about Chi's family. I was wondering how they feel about Chi's "replacement", I'm glad to know that they're ok with it. Chino has been brave to talk about his weight too. What a classy man! 8)
EDIT: thank you very much, Subliminal!
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Quote from: anguria on Apr 29, 2010, 08:55 AM
Chino has been brave to talk about his weight too. What a classy man! 8)
its not so "brave" to be talking about it when your skinny and goodlooking like he is now. its the same with drugs.. telling people about it when you have quit isnt so admirable once youre off it. if chino would have been talking about his fat ass when he was fat or talking about his meth problems while doing it, now that would have been brave
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Apr 29, 2010, 01:40 PM
Quote from: anguria on Apr 29, 2010, 08:55 AM
Chino has been brave to talk about his weight too. What a classy man! 8)
its not so "brave" to be talking about it when your skinny and goodlooking like he is now. its the same with drugs.. telling people about it when you have quit isnt so admirable once youre off it. if chino would have been talking about his fat ass when he was fat or talking about his meth problems while doing it, now that would have been brave
lol chill
Quote from: Shadow46/2 on Apr 29, 2010, 02:40 PM
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Apr 29, 2010, 01:40 PM
Quote from: anguria on Apr 29, 2010, 08:55 AM
Chino has been brave to talk about his weight too. What a classy man! 8)
its not so "brave" to be talking about it when your skinny and goodlooking like he is now. its the same with drugs.. telling people about it when you have quit isnt so admirable once youre off it. if chino would have been talking about his fat ass when he was fat or talking about his meth problems while doing it, now that would have been brave
lol chill
NEVER!
I bought the mag and it's a good read. I stand by my point that Kerrang! have some of the best journalists in world in the rock/metal genre regardless of the shit that they print in the mag.
And Fetisher's post was one of the most important outsider posts on the internet. Good read.
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Apr 29, 2010, 01:40 PM
Quote from: anguria on Apr 29, 2010, 08:55 AM
Chino has been brave to talk about his weight too. What a classy man! 8)
its not so "brave" to be talking about it when your skinny and goodlooking like he is now. its the same with drugs.. telling people about it when you have quit isnt so admirable once youre off it. if chino would have been talking about his fat ass when he was fat or talking about his meth problems while doing it, now that would have been brave
He didn't
have to speak about it, but he did. I guess he was pissed off about people telling him he was chunky, so he did it first.
he was fat for like the past 10 years til just recently, and he has been harassed for it since day one, its just now when he is skinny
he can talk about it. thats not brave
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Apr 29, 2010, 03:29 PM
he was fat for like the past 10 years til just recently, and he has been harassed for it since day one, its just now when he is skinny
he can talk about it. thats not brave
He could pretend it never happened. It would have been ridiculous if he said he was fat while he was. Can you imagine it?
Chino: "I am overweight."
Interviewer: "Uh... Yes."
-___-'
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to let yourself go psychically like he did, when he is a singer a performer - it get consequences. he didnt sing aswell, his stage performance was lazy and sloppy, and the songs that required lots of enegry and songs that needed high notes suffered
enormously for the weight. he now says he take care of himself and he therefor feels better and if he feels better the creativity goes up. to be able to talk about that problem _while youre in it_ is BRAVE, to act like everything is fine is not. to talk about it after that period isnt so brave either
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Apr 29, 2010, 04:05 PM
to be able to talk about that problem _while youre in it_ is BRAVE,
No, it is pathetic, and pointless too. What could an interviewer do, suggest a diet? Come on!
you thought of it as brave when chino talked about his gone weight now- well in that case i think it would have been more brave to talk about it back then when it affected the band and he was in the shit.it would be harder for him-therefor more to admire
It would have been harder for him, I agree. But I don't admire much people whining, so for me it's better like he did! ;)
ok but the issue here was the braveness, not if you like whining or not. but since u brought it up, there's nothing saying he would whine about it, one can talk about problems without going buhu
Quote from: Vesanic on Apr 29, 2010, 04:48 PM...
this isnt really about the weight itself, its about bravenss. could have been about drug addiction insted, same arguments
Also, this is why Stephen's side projects suck. ;D
Quote from: Subliminal on Apr 28, 2010, 10:04 AMSteph: ''In six months time, after we release a record, it will be dead anyway. They're just songs. I'm not married to them, they're a dime a dozen to me''
,,,
Thanks for the good reading subliminal. This is probably the best interview i read from them, pretty honest answers and NOW i know i was right about feeling something weird back in ST/SNW era.
Good to know that despite Chi's situation, they are in a better place.
Keep going!!!
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THANX for posting this!
thanks for posting the scans i knew they would show up so i was amazed someone would write down everything letter by letter.
Quote from: Subliminal on Mar 21, 2010, 08:48 AM
It is the final version. The quality is 320kps. No leaks are ever that high in quality if they're this early!
What's so crazy about the rumour of Deftones themselves leaking it? Has anyone seen how many views Rocket Skates has gotten on Youtube!? Something tells me this leak will only mean good things for the band.
I only get a good feeling from this leak and the coming success of the album. Everyone loves to get on their high horse and get all angry about it leaking. But it's time to realize, it's going to happen and it gets more people keen and into what it is that is leaking. This is only a good thing for a band and I'm sure they'll know this themselves.
If this leak gets more people to a show and buying Merch. It's a WIN/WIN situation for the band.
sergio said "The thing that irks me isn't so much that people hear it, it's that you don't get to present it your way and have it unfold in a certain way," he said. "It's something you put energy and effort into, so you like to present it for people a certain way, and that's part of the art."
and steph said "he thought diamond eyes should _eventually_ be given away.." meaning he didnt leak it for now.
and now chino says that he isnt happy about the leak at all.
so my question to subliminal is, who did leak it - abe or frank?
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whats that..? ah, nothing. mr know it all isnt so all knowing anymore it seems. til next time,dont act so confident and sure of yourself about something that will have facts about it later in time. pick something like "does god exist" or some shit like that ;)
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Apr 30, 2010, 08:41 AM
thanks for posting the scans i knew they would show up so i was amazed someone would write down everything letter by letter.
Quote from: Subliminal on Mar 21, 2010, 08:48 AM
It is the final version. The quality is 320kps. No leaks are ever that high in quality if they're this early!
What's so crazy about the rumour of Deftones themselves leaking it? Has anyone seen how many views Rocket Skates has gotten on Youtube!? Something tells me this leak will only mean good things for the band.
I only get a good feeling from this leak and the coming success of the album. Everyone loves to get on their high horse and get all angry about it leaking. But it's time to realize, it's going to happen and it gets more people keen and into what it is that is leaking. This is only a good thing for a band and I'm sure they'll know this themselves.
If this leak gets more people to a show and buying Merch. It's a WIN/WIN situation for the band.
sergio said "The thing that irks me isn't so much that people hear it, it's that you don't get to present it your way and have it unfold in a certain way," he said. "It's something you put energy and effort into, so you like to present it for people a certain way, and that's part of the art."
and steph said "he thought diamond eyes should _eventually_ be given away.." meaning he didnt leak it for now.
and now chino says that he isnt happy about the leak at all.
so my question to subliminal is, who did leak it - abe or frank?
Abe or Frank........make a poll ;D
Did Kerrang review the album in the issue as well?
Quote from: pinkmaggit69 on Apr 30, 2010, 06:18 PM
Did Kerrang review the album in the issue as well?
Last week
http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,16593.0.html (http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,16593.0.html)
Quote from: aiminarun on Apr 30, 2010, 06:03 PM
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Apr 30, 2010, 08:41 AM
thanks for posting the scans i knew they would show up so i was amazed someone would write down everything letter by letter.
Quote from: Subliminal on Mar 21, 2010, 08:48 AM
It is the final version. The quality is 320kps. No leaks are ever that high in quality if they're this early!
What's so crazy about the rumour of Deftones themselves leaking it? Has anyone seen how many views Rocket Skates has gotten on Youtube!? Something tells me this leak will only mean good things for the band.
I only get a good feeling from this leak and the coming success of the album. Everyone loves to get on their high horse and get all angry about it leaking. But it's time to realize, it's going to happen and it gets more people keen and into what it is that is leaking. This is only a good thing for a band and I'm sure they'll know this themselves.
If this leak gets more people to a show and buying Merch. It's a WIN/WIN situation for the band.
sergio said "The thing that irks me isn't so much that people hear it, it's that you don't get to present it your way and have it unfold in a certain way," he said. "It's something you put energy and effort into, so you like to present it for people a certain way, and that's part of the art."
and steph said "he thought diamond eyes should _eventually_ be given away.." meaning he didnt leak it for now.
and now chino says that he isnt happy about the leak at all.
so my question to subliminal is, who did leak it - abe or frank?
Abe or Frank........make a poll ;D
abe and frank could be in it together. or.. maybe frank leaked it so it wouldt outsell his decibel devils