Anyone have any insight on why they've abandoned all SNW songs in their recent shows?
its because during the making of SNW, the band almost broke up and went through a rough time and according to Chino moreno, after the songs were recorded and completely mixed he didnt listen to them and didnt even want to because it would depress him. If u pay attention to the lyrics closely ull understand, songs like Rapture, Hole in the Earth, Combat, Xerces, Kim dracula, Cherry waves and so on...i still think, despite how dark it is, that this album shows how much work and emotion deftones put into this record, in terms of song structures and sounds. It sounds a lot more complete and atmospheric thanks to Frank's effects and of course, Chino's mellow side.
The ideal songs of SNW that should be played: Kim dracula, Rapture, Mein
In a nutshell, the songs are too depressing to play and listen to and Chino doesn't want anything to do with that album. He was on drugs, goin thru a divorce and Bob Ezrin was making his life a living hell. The Malibu place was depressing him, where they relocated after "The Spot" which is their studio in Sacremento.
oh just to point out, SNW was the most difficult time the band went thru as a whole but its one of my favorite albums
^ ^ while that shit is true has anyone here asked any of them why? could be a different reason.
but,
if you look at this tour now, obviously there's more marketing going on here.. they're attracting new fans because DE was very succesful for them and so now at these shows they have to play a lot of singles and shit the general public should enjoy if they haven't seen them before... so sure SNW flopped so they're not going to spend 5 minutes of an SNW song that they should one off the new album so these new fans can walk away and say "yeah they're awesome, i'm gonna go buy whatever album that one song's off" and not "yeah they're awesome except for that one song, so eh i don't dig em"
so yeah that and the fact that it was a depressing album for them.
but needs to be confirmed by someone, i was just thinking that myself the other night...
Quote from: juvenile on Jul 24, 2010, 02:24 AM
oh just to point out, SNW was the most difficult time the band went thru as a whole but its one of my favorite albums
Glad someone else likes this album as much as i do.
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on Jul 24, 2010, 03:20 AM
^ ^ while that shit is true has anyone here asked any of them why? could be a different reason.
but,
if you look at this tour now, obviously there's more marketing going on here.. they're attracting new fans because DE was very succesful for them and so now at these shows they have to play a lot of singles and shit the general public should enjoy if they haven't seen them before... so sure SNW flopped so they're not going to spend 5 minutes of an SNW song that they should one off the new album so these new fans can walk away and say "yeah they're awesome, i'm gonna go buy whatever album that one song's off" and not "yeah they're awesome except for that one song, so eh i don't dig em"
so yeah that and the fact that it was a depressing album for them.
but needs to be confirmed by someone, i was just thinking that myself the other night...
u r correct about the marketing, i didnt remember that they were promoting Diamond Eyes and well they'd play their hits as well as "Core" deftones songs and unfortunately SNW had no hits and well the depressing aspect explains y they dont play the core tracks.
Cherry Waves and Xerces are very loved by fans . They're quite catchy too, so the only reason why they don't play must be the memories they bring back... :-\
Quote from: Vesanic on Jul 24, 2010, 12:25 PM...
how strange that they picked hole in the earth(because of the lyrics), even though it was a single.
Quote from: SX King on Jul 24, 2010, 05:35 AM
Quote from: juvenile on Jul 24, 2010, 02:24 AM
oh just to point out, SNW was the most difficult time the band went thru as a whole but its one of my favorite albums
Glad someone else likes this album as much as i do.
add me to the list
wow chino sounds a lot better on that now...
Exactly. Now that they seem to be all on point musically I'd love to hear some of the SNW stuff.
Quote from: fuzzylogics on Jul 25, 2010, 04:24 AM
Exactly. Now that they seem to be all on point musically I'd love to hear some of the SNW stuff.
if they open with rats! before chino's throat gets too worn out during the show then i'd like to hear that played now.. would sound better than the studio version i think honestly, now that chino seems to be able to scream again..
Quote from: deftoolsys07 on Jul 25, 2010, 05:42 AM
Quote from: fuzzylogics on Jul 25, 2010, 04:24 AM
Exactly. Now that they seem to be all on point musically I'd love to hear some of the SNW stuff.
if they open with rats! before chino's throat gets too worn out during the show then i'd like to hear that played now.. would sound better than the studio version i think honestly, now that chino seems to be able to scream again..
Rats! would be awesome but id rather see rapture live, franks effects near the end just give me the goosebumps
Wonder if he could hit that high on KimDracula these days...
i dont know if chino was doing drugs during snw. I dont know if he ever did drugs like extacy or heroin im pretty sure he smokes chron tho...but i digress. I think they stay away from snw cuz not alot of ppl are into this dark and shady album{i fukin love it}... also my brother said they would never play combat live or couldnt because the intro is done by computers u know the wierd alien sounding voices. I said man combat would be interesting to hear live tho.
Quote from: yourwaves on Jul 25, 2010, 06:55 PM
i dont know if chino was doing drugs during snw. I dont know if he ever did drugs like extacy or heroin im pretty sure he smokes chron tho...but i digress. I think they stay away from snw cuz not alot of ppl are into this dark and shady album{i fukin love it}... also my brother said they would never play combat live or couldnt because the intro is done by computers u know the wierd alien sounding voices. I said man combat would be interesting to hear live tho.
steph mentioned in an interview they cant play combat live, its one of those songs u cant pull off live and to correct u, chino was on drugs during SNW, im not sure which one but I know he was under the influence and he was goin thru other things too in life
I asked Stef why they didnt play combat when I met him in 2007 and he said it was because Chino hadnt learnt his guitar parts yet which shows that despite writing the parts he wasnt overly interested at that time, Stef was actually quite scathing about Chino that whole conversation which showed how things were in the band during that period.
does anyone know wat kind of drug is/was chinos favorite? Also is white pony derived from extacy trips? I know when u roll ur brain goes haywire u think of the craziest shit. I honestly think chino came up with digital baths imagery from rollin one night. Cuz like i said u think of some crazy and dark shit when ur rolling haha
Quote from: yourwaves on Jul 25, 2010, 07:53 PM
does anyone know wat kind of drug is/was chinos favorite? Also is white pony derived from extacy trips? I know when u roll ur brain goes haywire u think of the craziest shit. I honestly think chino came up with digital baths imagery from rollin one night. Cuz like i said u think of some crazy and dark shit when ur rolling haha
Yeah, he did coke during the White Pony era. I dont know about a favorite though. If he liked them so much he'd still do them I guess. I think I read somewhere that during SNW he was on speed, but he didnt make it sound like he did it because he actually liked it though. I mean, according to him, he just smokes weed now.
And about them not playing any songs frm SNW live...dont know the reason behind it, but it makes sense that it'd be because it was a hard time in their lives. I've heard some ppl on here say that they dont like certain albums frm them purely because of the phase in their life they were in wen listening to it. But it would be awesome if they gt out of that mentality towards it, because they do have some amazing songs on it. And they should play Riviere, that'd be amazing.
obviously white pony is coke slang. I think the reason they called it that is because the album is about having confidence. Thats wat coke does even if its only temporary. To sum it up the album represents confidence. Like all u are is u~ live ur life....but besides that revierie is one of my fave deftones songs i hope they change their minds about playing snw i would love to hear riviere in miami bitches haha^^
Chino envisioned a witch with an army,i.e. the meaning behind Riviere. doesnt sound depressing but rather scary..and indeed it was Speed that Chino was on during SNW.
I think Beware wouldn't be a bad song to play since it doesnt have a personal feel to it. its about temptations and tryin to stay away from it.
They do Beware great live as well. One of my favorites.
I'd much rather them they play music from their other albums, as quite frankly that album is very weak compared to the others, perhaps apart from Beware and HITE. So at Download I was happy with them leaving out SNW, give me Birthmark anyday.
The lack of any SNW songs is a shame in the current tour but I'm sure that will change as they go into 2011 and will change up the set list.
I love SNW, it's probably the most negative of all albums in terms of imagery and lyrics, but there are some proper shredders on there like Rats! and I love the ambience of Hole in The Earth and Beware (the latter being an excellent live track) Cherry Waves has got to be one of their most 'complete' songs in terms of songwriting too, a definite predecessor to sextape on the new LP.
All of the recent interviews have emphasised just how happy they are as a band to have got the new material out, with a reluctance to look behind them. It would be very logical that at the start of the tour they all said 'fuck the SNW songs for now' so there is a 100% fresh mentality in the setlist, playing often 7, 8 songs off the new album and then the more popular choice cuts from the older LP
I'm sure when Deftones start playing headline shows again post - Black Diamond Skye tour - in bigger halls and venues - they will change and expand the setlist again, and I'm sure Hole in the Earth and Beware will return to be staple set list material.
On a side note, I swear on the 2003 tour (specifically europe / UK) they were playing an instrumental version of 'Pink Cellphone' on theatre PA systems in between bands? I used to be really ghey for being on the barrier back then so would stand through sometimes 2+ hours of music being played off the PA, and I know that deftones make their own mix tapes to play, and as soon as I heard Pink Cellphone I remembered it... it would make sense it was played around that time too before SNW was released .... can anyone confirm this?
Yeah, they can't really make the arguement "we play what the fans love" anymore. I'm sure they notice the crowd's reaction when they play a rare song. They make it easy for themselves, I guess.
SNW was shit hence they dont play it
Quote from: Vesanic on Jul 26, 2010, 06:32 PM...
quite true though.
really, you're guys are digging way to deep into this shit, as with most things.
Quote from: Vesanic on Jul 26, 2010, 08:11 PM...
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Haha true. But really I don't think they're too fond of it.
You know, with SNW they were going through a hard time and everything, but I think that'd make for really amazing live performances, if they can capture those emotions and portray them through their songs. I mean, they do anyways, but I just think that'd be the plus side to them playing songs that for the most part they dont really seem to wanna play, for personal reasons.
Quote from: TheShade1989 on Jul 26, 2010, 10:10 PM
You know, with SNW they were going through a hard time and everything, but I think that'd make for really amazing live performances, if they can capture those emotions and portray them through their songs. I mean, they do anyways, but I just think that'd be the plus side to them playing songs that for the most part they dont really seem to wanna play, for personal reasons.
i think playing any song you don't particularly want to play hinders the performance because you don't put everything into it. i know whenever i'm playing songs i don't really want to it gets a bit tedious. i just don't think the band is as confident about that material which is crazy because, personally, i think it's a goddamn impressive album. still i miss hearing rats rats rats and rapture live. those songs were huge.
Quote from: Vesanic on Jul 26, 2010, 04:47 PM...
That might be a stupid guess, but you know, maybe Sergio didn't learn like all the songs, that's why it's "easier" to play the same batch of songs everywhere. I'm not saying that's the case, but that could explain a bit of it too...
i love SNW, sometimes I think it might actually be my favorite deftones album which might be weird to some people. a year ago in amsterdam they played HITE and beware if I remember correct, it was great, maybe even xerces but cant remember anymore. i dont get why most people think this album sucks, i think its just as good as the rest of their albums. rapture, beware, combat, cherry waves, riviere, xerces, mein, kimdracula are all great songs!!!!!!!!! thats practically the whole album, if it wasnt for pink cellphone there wouldnt be anything to skip on it. but thats just my opinion, maybe its because i like depressing music. and to add to that, the cover is one of my favorite pictures of all time and i wanna hang it somewhere in my apartment but cant find a decent sized jpg for it to blow it up (any suggestions?). all in all, SNW FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really don't know why a few people don't get SNW. I mean fair do's but I find it to be a very interesting in a kinda odd way. It's really emotive.
Quote from: 2HitsThe6 on Jul 25, 2010, 07:26 PM
I asked Stef why they didnt play combat when I met him in 2007 and he said it was because Chino hadnt learnt his guitar parts yet which shows that despite writing the parts he wasnt overly interested at that time, Stef was actually quite scathing about Chino that whole conversation which showed how things were in the band during that period.
Deftones Interview by Hefe (from Romania) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWG2zzbejr0&feature=related#)
this was the interview i mentioned earlier where chino said that they practiced combat and it didn't sound good enough or something