No SNW

[fuzzylogics]

Anyone have any insight on why they've abandoned all SNW songs in their recent shows?

[snw9]

its because during the making of SNW, the band almost broke up and went through a rough time and according to Chino moreno, after the songs were recorded and completely mixed he didnt listen to them and didnt even want to because it would depress him. If u pay attention to the lyrics closely ull understand, songs like Rapture, Hole in the Earth, Combat, Xerces, Kim dracula, Cherry waves and so on...i still think, despite how dark it is, that this album shows how much work and emotion deftones put into this record, in terms of song structures and sounds. It sounds a lot more complete and atmospheric thanks to Frank's effects and of course, Chino's mellow side.
The ideal songs of SNW that should be played: Kim dracula, Rapture, Mein

In a nutshell, the songs are too depressing to play and listen to and Chino doesn't want anything to do with that album. He was on drugs, goin thru a divorce and Bob Ezrin was making his life a living hell. The Malibu place was depressing him, where they relocated after "The Spot" which is their studio in Sacremento.

[snw9]

oh just to point out, SNW was the most difficult time the band went thru as a whole but its one of my favorite albums

[deftoolsys07]

^ ^ while that shit is true has anyone here asked any of them why? could be a different reason.

but,

if you look at this tour now, obviously there's more marketing going on here.. they're attracting new fans because DE was very succesful for them and so now at these shows they have to play a lot of singles and shit the general public should enjoy if they haven't seen them before... so sure SNW flopped so they're not going to spend 5 minutes of an SNW song that they should one off the new album so these new fans can walk away and say "yeah they're awesome, i'm gonna go buy whatever album that one song's off" and not "yeah they're awesome except for that one song, so eh i don't dig em"

so yeah that and the fact that it was a depressing album for them.

but needs to be confirmed by someone, i was just thinking that myself the other night...

[SX King]

oh just to point out, SNW was the most difficult time the band went thru as a whole but its one of my favorite albums

Glad someone else likes this album as much as i do.

[snw9]

^ ^ while that shit is true has anyone here asked any of them why? could be a different reason.

but,

if you look at this tour now, obviously there's more marketing going on here.. they're attracting new fans because DE was very succesful for them and so now at these shows they have to play a lot of singles and shit the general public should enjoy if they haven't seen them before... so sure SNW flopped so they're not going to spend 5 minutes of an SNW song that they should one off the new album so these new fans can walk away and say "yeah they're awesome, i'm gonna go buy whatever album that one song's off" and not "yeah they're awesome except for that one song, so eh i don't dig em"

so yeah that and the fact that it was a depressing album for them.

but needs to be confirmed by someone, i was just thinking that myself the other night...

u r correct about the marketing, i didnt remember that they were promoting Diamond Eyes and well they'd play their hits as well as "Core" deftones songs and unfortunately SNW had no hits and well the depressing aspect explains y they dont play the core tracks.

[anguria]

Cherry Waves and Xerces are very loved by fans . They're quite catchy too, so the only reason why they don't play must be the memories they bring back...

[snw9]

...

how strange that they picked hole in the earth(because of the lyrics), even though it was a single.

[yeah]

oh just to point out, SNW was the most difficult time the band went thru as a whole but its one of my favorite albums

Glad someone else likes this album as much as i do.

add me to the list

[deftoolsys07]

wow chino sounds a lot better on that now...

[fuzzylogics]

Exactly. Now that they seem to be all on point musically I'd love to hear some of the SNW stuff.

[deftoolsys07]

Exactly. Now that they seem to be all on point musically I'd love to hear some of the SNW stuff.

if they open with rats! before chino's throat gets too worn out during the show then i'd like to hear that played now.. would sound better than the studio version i think honestly, now that chino seems to be able to scream again..

[snw9]

Exactly. Now that they seem to be all on point musically I'd love to hear some of the SNW stuff.

if they open with rats! before chino's throat gets too worn out during the show then i'd like to hear that played now.. would sound better than the studio version i think honestly, now that chino seems to be able to scream again..

Rats! would be awesome but id rather see rapture live, franks effects near the end just give me the goosebumps

[Shadow46/2]

Wonder if he could hit that high on KimDracula these days...

[yourwaves]

i dont know if chino was doing drugs during snw. I dont know if he ever did drugs like extacy or heroin im pretty sure he smokes chron tho...but i digress. I think they stay away from snw cuz not alot of ppl are into this dark and shady album{i fukin love it}... also my brother said they would never play combat live or couldnt because the intro is done by computers u know the wierd alien sounding voices. I said man combat would be interesting to hear live tho.

[snw9]

i dont know if chino was doing drugs during snw. I dont know if he ever did drugs like extacy or heroin im pretty sure he smokes chron tho...but i digress. I think they stay away from snw cuz not alot of ppl are into this dark and shady album{i fukin love it}... also my brother said they would never play combat live or couldnt because the intro is done by computers u know the wierd alien sounding voices. I said man combat would be interesting to hear live tho.

steph mentioned in an interview they cant play combat live, its one of those songs u cant pull off live and to correct u, chino was on drugs during SNW, im not sure which one but I know he was under the influence and he was goin thru other things too in life

[2HitsThe6]

I asked Stef why they didnt play combat when I met him in 2007 and he said it was because Chino hadnt learnt his guitar parts yet which shows that despite writing the parts he wasnt overly interested at that time, Stef was actually quite scathing about Chino that whole conversation which showed how things were in the band during that period.

[yourwaves]

does anyone know wat kind of drug is/was chinos favorite? Also is white pony derived from extacy trips? I know when u roll ur brain goes haywire u think of the craziest shit. I honestly think chino came up with digital baths imagery from rollin one night. Cuz like i said u think of some crazy and dark shit when ur rolling haha

[TheShade1989]

does anyone know wat kind of drug is/was chinos favorite? Also is white pony derived from extacy trips? I know when u roll ur brain goes haywire u think of the craziest shit. I honestly think chino came up with digital baths imagery from rollin one night. Cuz like i said u think of some crazy and dark shit when ur rolling haha

Yeah, he did coke during the White Pony era. I dont know about a favorite though. If he liked them so much he'd still do them I guess. I think I read somewhere that during SNW he was on speed, but he didnt make it sound like he did it because he actually liked it though. I mean, according to him, he just smokes weed now.

And about them not playing any songs frm SNW live...dont know the reason behind it, but it makes sense that it'd be because it was a hard time in their lives. I've heard some ppl on here say that they dont like certain albums frm them purely because of the phase in their life they were in wen listening to it. But it would be awesome if they gt out of that mentality towards it, because they do have some amazing songs on it. And they should play Riviere, that'd be amazing.

[yourwaves]

obviously white pony is coke slang. I think the reason they called it that is because the album is about having confidence. Thats wat coke does even if its only temporary. To sum it up the album represents confidence. Like all u are is u~ live ur life....but besides that revierie is one of my fave deftones songs i hope they change their minds about playing snw i would love to hear riviere in miami bitches haha^^