IMO SNW Is their best

[defTHE1s]

pink cellphone should have stayed on chinos laptop.

its actually the album that made me know who the deftones are

FAIL.

This is their best so far, yes! here's why...

Stef's Guitar tone.
Chino's lyrics and Voice.
Frank's keys and samples.

FAIL.

Truth.

SNW > S/T

No way in Hell!

+1

+ 1

[beaverwithfishyshoes]

how is it mainstream? really. be quite and drive, change.. 7 words (in nu metal respects) is radio material rather than later stuff. fuck off already. but ok, you wanna call it that, its ok boy, youre a good boy, mommy loves ya. its good music, one of the better albums i think too, and thats what matters.

[lostpilot]

to be honest I personally never liked SNW much. there are several reasons to that:

a) demo versions > final album versions

I'm not sure whether that's some heavy influence from Chino (lets all remember how Team Sleep ruined most of its songs in the self titled album), but the album versions - for me personally - lack emotion. It's a highly overproduced album and the production quality (which steals the real music show) is the only overall quality which folds the album into one full creation. Comparison - S/T had an obvious general feeling, Adrenaline did too, as did ATF. Maybe White Pony's general feeling was a little clumsy, but SNW fails to have anything else as an album except for the production quality.

And in addition to this, please just turn on Bob Erzin demos, Beware early demo etc - those songs contains power, the pure form of music, while SNW seems to have been made a really user-friendly album, not much a masterpiece at all.

b) songs lack creative writing (ps - this is MY opinion, go fuck yourself if you will try to attack my personal opinion about things. you can say Sum41 and Blink-182 were awesome in songwriting, I don't care that much)

To be honest, SNW only has three songs which were really burnt into my head easily - Cherry Waves, Konami Code song (which is something Deftones never did = reinvention of yourself as an artist. Eros/new album with some live songs proved again (to me personally, again) that Deftones are not REALLY progressing as artists. Yes, they're doing what they're doing good. That's it - there's nothing that new) and Riviere. That's it. If it would be an EP instead of an album containing these three songs and, say, some of the reworks from Bob Erzin demos - I'd be much more happy with the album.


To sum up - yes, SNW is a listen-able album, but surely it is not their best - it's just a conclusory album of self-repetition as artists. I really hope Deftones will reinvent themselves as artists. And I am not mocking them - I am completely satisfied with everything they released before SNW, guys are really talented, but for me personally SNW was a step back.

Cheers

[sing blue silver]

i suppose it's a matter of taste. around the fur pwns all for me.

[Law]

to be honest I personally never liked SNW much. there are several reasons to that:

a) demo versions > final album versions

I'm not sure whether that's some heavy influence from Chino (lets all remember how Team Sleep ruined most of its songs in the self titled album), but the album versions - for me personally - lack emotion. It's a highly overproduced album and the production quality (which steals the real music show) is the only overall quality which folds the album into one full creation. Comparison - S/T had an obvious general feeling, Adrenaline did too, as did ATF. Maybe White Pony's general feeling was a little clumsy, but SNW fails to have anything else as an album except for the production quality.

And in addition to this, please just turn on Bob Erzin demos, Beware early demo etc - those songs contains power, the pure form of music, while SNW seems to have been made a really user-friendly album, not much a masterpiece at all.

b) songs lack creative writing (ps - this is MY opinion, go fuck yourself if you will try to attack my personal opinion about things. you can say Sum41 and Blink-182 were awesome in songwriting, I don't care that much)

To be honest, SNW only has three songs which were really burnt into my head easily - Cherry Waves, Konami Code song (which is something Deftones never did = reinvention of yourself as an artist. Eros/new album with some live songs proved again (to me personally, again) that Deftones are not REALLY progressing as artists. Yes, they're doing what they're doing good. That's it - there's nothing that new) and Riviere. That's it. If it would be an EP instead of an album containing these three songs and, say, some of the reworks from Bob Erzin demos - I'd be much more happy with the album.


To sum up - yes, SNW is a listen-able album, but surely it is not their best - it's just a conclusory album of self-repetition as artists. I really hope Deftones will reinvent themselves as artists. And I am not mocking them - I am completely satisfied with everything they released before SNW, guys are really talented, but for me personally SNW was a step back.

Cheers

see what you're saying, but at the end of the day I guess they're out of their depth a bit with that sort of stuff and it isn't their most impressive, for instance how many times do they open with a song from SNW? And in their festival sets Beware is the major feature, and its a shame Xerces isn't played more recently, fucking practice that high note Chino.

[nineteenpeoplesnames]

to be honest I personally never liked SNW much. there are several reasons to that:

a) demo versions > final album versions

I'm not sure whether that's some heavy influence from Chino (lets all remember how Team Sleep ruined most of its songs in the self titled album), but the album versions - for me personally - lack emotion. It's a highly overproduced album and the production quality (which steals the real music show) is the only overall quality which folds the album into one full creation. Comparison - S/T had an obvious general feeling, Adrenaline did too, as did ATF. Maybe White Pony's general feeling was a little clumsy, but SNW fails to have anything else as an album except for the production quality.

And in addition to this, please just turn on Bob Erzin demos, Beware early demo etc - those songs contains power, the pure form of music, while SNW seems to have been made a really user-friendly album, not much a masterpiece at all.

b) songs lack creative writing (ps - this is MY opinion, go fuck yourself if you will try to attack my personal opinion about things. you can say Sum41 and Blink-182 were awesome in songwriting, I don't care that much)

To be honest, SNW only has three songs which were really burnt into my head easily - Cherry Waves, Konami Code song (which is something Deftones never did = reinvention of yourself as an artist. Eros/new album with some live songs proved again (to me personally, again) that Deftones are not REALLY progressing as artists. Yes, they're doing what they're doing good. That's it - there's nothing that new) and Riviere. That's it. If it would be an EP instead of an album containing these three songs and, say, some of the reworks from Bob Erzin demos - I'd be much more happy with the album.


To sum up - yes, SNW is a listen-able album, but surely it is not their best - it's just a conclusory album of self-repetition as artists. I really hope Deftones will reinvent themselves as artists. And I am not mocking them - I am completely satisfied with everything they released before SNW, guys are really talented, but for me personally SNW was a step back.

Cheers

Even though I disagree, I like the way you have explained it - without the blatant "it's crap" or "It sucks donkey balls" etc. It's constructive!

Must admit though - SNW & WP as albums, don't seem to flow as well as the others.

[Starz]

Am I the only one here who thinks the SNW Bob Erzin demos aren't that great? I just can't see what all the fuss is about...

[Far away]

I respect your opinion, but i cant say i agree with you.

[rocket]

I don't really regard SNW as their best but it's definitely up there.
I love all the Deftones albums except Adrenaline, which was and still is a bit difficult for me to get into.It's their only album that sounds nu-metal to me and maybe that's why.
My favourites are probably Around the Fur and ST, depending on my mood.
SNW has a really unique feel to it and some kick-ass songs.Sure it's not as heavy as some of the others but there will be more heavy albums so enjoy this one for what it is in the meantime.I don't know what everyone has against Mein - it has such a unique structure and the drums are kick ass!
Bugs me that it seems cool to say : ''Mein sucks and I only like White Pony''
Could never understand people who say that they only like White Pony because although each album is unique and different they all have the same deftones core sound.Maybe they just think it sounds cool or because their friends do it.
SNW seems to be getting the same reaction as ST did years back.Now people are starting to love ST and realise it's genius - the same will probably happen wit SNW in a few years.

[snw9]

one of the best birthday presents ever

[No More Sugar]

someone's brain isn't receiving enough oxygen.

[darksoul]

ehhh it was good but mein!!!!! what was that? no likey!  thats the only deftones song i ever disliked . so the album i believe to be the best is self titled then its around the fur,white pony ,adrenalin,snw hopefully D EYES takes the #1 spot and i feel like it will be

[nyquil addict]

Hole in the Earth, Cherry Waves and Beware are classics. Rats! Rats! Rats! and Combat are really good. Everything after that is ok.  I think it's slightly better than S/T  and WP because of how strong Hole in the earth, Cherry Waves and Beware are. So I would say it's their second best album behind ATF.

[Cherry Waves]

I think every Deftones album is a great album, but there really was no fluency or flow with SNW!
It was recorded in different spots, with different producers etc, and there was too much stuff on there that Chino could have used for Team Sleep instead he dragged it on to a Deftones record, however it still has some of there best work on it like Cherry Waves and Riviere!

[wither-I]

to be honest I personally never liked SNW much. there are several reasons to that:

a) demo versions > final album versions

I'm not sure whether that's some heavy influence from Chino (lets all remember how Team Sleep ruined most of its songs in the self titled album), but the album versions - for me personally - lack emotion. It's a highly overproduced album and the production quality (which steals the real music show) is the only overall quality which folds the album into one full creation. Comparison - S/T had an obvious general feeling, Adrenaline did too, as did ATF. Maybe White Pony's general feeling was a little clumsy, but SNW fails to have anything else as an album except for the production quality.

And in addition to this, please just turn on Bob Erzin demos, Beware early demo etc - those songs contains power, the pure form of music, while SNW seems to have been made a really user-friendly album, not much a masterpiece at all.

b) songs lack creative writing (ps - this is MY opinion, go fuck yourself if you will try to attack my personal opinion about things. you can say Sum41 and Blink-182 were awesome in songwriting, I don't care that much)

To be honest, SNW only has three songs which were really burnt into my head easily - Cherry Waves, Konami Code song (which is something Deftones never did = reinvention of yourself as an artist. Eros/new album with some live songs proved again (to me personally, again) that Deftones are not REALLY progressing as artists. Yes, they're doing what they're doing good. That's it - there's nothing that new) and Riviere. That's it. If it would be an EP instead of an album containing these three songs and, say, some of the reworks from Bob Erzin demos - I'd be much more happy with the album.


To sum up - yes, SNW is a listen-able album, but surely it is not their best - it's just a conclusory album of self-repetition as artists. I really hope Deftones will reinvent themselves as artists. And I am not mocking them - I am completely satisfied with everything they released before SNW, guys are really talented, but for me personally SNW was a step back.

Cheers

i agree with everything you just said.

stef needs to step up his game bigtime. just lazy.
and chino give the screams a rest, just keep the impassioned vocals where it resides between yelling and audible tongue. (snw's lyrics were just okay at times, and other instances -poo poo.)

abe is a straight up g. no problems there.
franks got groove.
chi, bless him. he's golden forever.

[snw9]

Its funny how wikipedia reports that this album got positive review from critics despite some of us fans not appreciating it...

[aeroplume]

Its funny how wikipedia reports that this album got positive review from critics despite some of us fans not appreciating it...

thats funny.

[snw9]

Its funny how wikipedia reports that this album got positive review from critics despite some of us fans not appreciating it...

thats funny.

the names of the reviews are mentioned as well. Even in the SNW interview list, got some good ratings.

[illthrowROCKS@U]

We must all remember that musical taste is opinion, don't crucify my please.  I love all the boys' efforts to date, but I personally like SNW more than I like ST.  My reasons for voting SNW Deftones' SECOND best album of all time (After ATF) are as follows:


This entire album either puts me in space floating in nothingness or makes me want to rip the heads off of babies.. sometimes both in the SAME song.  Now that's talent.

Rapture's verse riff is fucking RIDICULOUS.  Steph kills it, it's pure genius.  I'm ripping off like 4 baby heads by the time it's over.  My backyard has a lot of Gazeebos in it (anyone watch and get the American Horror Story reference? )

Combat is one of the rawest songs on this album, and is pure emotion.  Whose side are you on, with the inflection switched between SIDE and ON, is powerful as hell...  and the "Don't think that I don't know, cuz I do.. [3:30 - 4:00]" is fucking groovy as hell.  I don't prefer songs to sound the same their entire way through (something Deftones actually does A LOT, but it's cool), the back and forth between hard and soft really brings this track out and makes it a clear favorite of mine.

Kimdracula's riff is one of those ones that puts me in space.. I could listen to it for hours, and Chinos transcending voice combined with the screaming of "WISH," is great.  When I'm high and this song is loud on my earphones, it makes me feel like Kyle in that episode of South Park where they were stealing the teeth for cash.. "I am everything, and I am NOTHING!"

Riviere really is a landmark track for Deftones.  It literally sounds NOTHING like any previous Deftones song.  Even if you don't like it, that gives it merit.  The build up is great, the lyrics are great.. it's great.

Uuddlrlrselectstart is another one of those songs that just puts me on another plane of existance.  Another I could listen to back to back.  It just sounds cool as hell, and it's nice to get an instrumental every now and then, especially when it's as unique as this one.

Xerces... oh Xerces.  Arguably one of my top 5 favorite Deftones songs of all time (that list changes almost daily tho).  Same deal as Kimdracula, putting me in space, with the abrupt change in the chorus (tho not hard like Kimdracula's).  Not one scream in this entire song, which is pretty tough for Deftones!  Don't get me wrong I love me some Hexagram and Rickets is probably my favorite song of their ever... but Xerces just hits that right spot I have for a softer track.  The lyrics really speak to me, too.  Honestly sometimes I think Chino says more when he says less, and doesn't load a track full of a ton of ambiguous lyrics like on Adrenaline.

These 6 songs alone are enough to make me fall in love.  Not to even mention Beware is solid, and Cherry Waves totally reinvents their whole sound... love that bassline.

[snw9]

We must all remember that musical taste is opinion, don't crucify my please.  I love all the boys' efforts to date, but I personally like SNW more than I like ST.  My reasons for voting SNW Deftones' SECOND best album of all time (After ATF) are as follows:


This entire album either puts me in space floating in nothingness or makes me want to rip the heads off of babies.. sometimes both in the SAME song.  Now that's talent.

Rapture's verse riff is fucking RIDICULOUS.  Steph kills it, it's pure genius.  I'm ripping off like 4 baby heads by the time it's over.  My backyard has a lot of Gazeebos in it (anyone watch and get the American Horror Story reference? )

Combat is one of the rawest songs on this album, and is pure emotion.  Whose side are you on, with the inflection switched between SIDE and ON, is powerful as hell...  and the "Don't think that I don't know, cuz I do.. [3:30 - 4:00]" is fucking groovy as hell.  I don't prefer songs to sound the same their entire way through (something Deftones actually does A LOT, but it's cool), the back and forth between hard and soft really brings this track out and makes it a clear favorite of mine.

Kimdracula's riff is one of those ones that puts me in space.. I could listen to it for hours, and Chinos transcending voice combined with the screaming of "WISH," is great.  When I'm high and this song is loud on my earphones, it makes me feel like Kyle in that episode of South Park where they were stealing the teeth for cash.. "I am everything, and I am NOTHING!"

Riviere really is a landmark track for Deftones.  It literally sounds NOTHING like any previous Deftones song.  Even if you don't like it, that gives it merit.  The build up is great, the lyrics are great.. it's great.

Uuddlrlrselectstart is another one of those songs that just puts me on another plane of existance.  Another I could listen to back to back.  It just sounds cool as hell, and it's nice to get an instrumental every now and then, especially when it's as unique as this one.

Xerces... oh Xerces.  Arguably one of my top 5 favorite Deftones songs of all time (that list changes almost daily tho).  Same deal as Kimdracula, putting me in space, with the abrupt change in the chorus (tho not hard like Kimdracula's).  Not one scream in this entire song, which is pretty tough for Deftones!  Don't get me wrong I love me some Hexagram and Rickets is probably my favorite song of their ever... but Xerces just hits that right spot I have for a softer track.  The lyrics really speak to me, too.  Honestly sometimes I think Chino says more when he says less, and doesn't load a track full of a ton of ambiguous lyrics like on Adrenaline.

These 6 songs alone are enough to make me fall in love.  Not to even mention Beware is solid, and Cherry Waves totally reinvents their whole sound... love that bassline.

I entirely agree with your view on Kimdracula, it does put you in space.I can only listen to it at night