Diamond Eyes - Thoughts + reviews

jesusinabowlofdirt · Mar 16, 2010, 09:05 PM

ok so u think this song is the best song according to them? not likley. i bet there's more "hard to get" music on there, more artsy which they probably like better themsleves, but just know wont attract new fans.label decision. "make a hit!"

gui · Mar 16, 2010, 09:36 PM

Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Mar 16, 2010, 09:05 PM
ok so u think this song is the best song according to them? not likley. i bet there's more "hard to get" music on there, more artsy which they probably like better themsleves, but just know wont attract new fans.label decision. "make a hit!"

huh ? a musician can't appreciate poppier/catchier song of theirs ? liking a catchy chorus means you're not a real fan ? they all have to be super artsy and impossible to get to be good...

we are so not on the same page.

sizeofanocean · Mar 16, 2010, 09:43 PM

So far I could not be happier with how rocket skates and diamond eyes sound. Rocket skates sounds like a heavier white pony song and diamond eyes sounds like a saturday night wrist song but better than most of the songs on that cd. I wasnt a huge fan of SNW but was still a good cd. I really think this cd is going to be a mix of the last 3 albums before this one and like it or not bands evolve and sometimes choose different producers to evolve.

I think the people that don't like it could be just like the people who didnt like Hole in the Earth...That song was bad but SNW was still good. And I think most everyone is in agreement that Rocket Skates kicks ass. Let everyone have their opinion but try and wait to hear the whole cd before you count the band out or as sell outs please!

jesusinabowlofdirt · Mar 16, 2010, 09:50 PM

Quote from: gui on Mar 16, 2010, 09:36 PM
we are so not on the same page.

so?

i like the song very much but im afraid it wont stand the test of time. not sure though. just dont see the reason in debating this song as if it were the new deftones,its just one song and most important - its the song the label chose for a single to get much airplay. if they wanted to please themselves and otherdef-heads im sure they would have picked a song more complex that they were more proud of. have your opinion about the new deftones as a group, where they stand as a band 2010, when u got the whole record. not by this poppy label song (which is a nice little tune)

sizeofanocean · Mar 16, 2010, 09:52 PM

Yeah I agree totally man ^. I mean I liked hole in the earth the first few times but it became a skipable song very fast. THat may very well happen to this song as well but it is the single the label chose to get them airplay. Its a very accessible song and Im sure could get the tones a lot of new fans. I personally feel that its going to be a great record just because the deftones do not put out bad ones.

its a new deftones cd. Dont bitch!

jesusinabowlofdirt · Mar 16, 2010, 10:02 PM

Quote from: sizeofanocean on Mar 16, 2010, 09:52 PM
Its a very accessible song and Im sure could get the tones a lot of new fans

Thats the plaaaan!

gui · Mar 16, 2010, 10:10 PM

anyway, they started to write 'catchy and radio friendly choruses' on White pony 10 years ago, nothing new here.

jesusinabowlofdirt · Mar 16, 2010, 10:13 PM

and which deftones album has sold the most again?

gui · Mar 16, 2010, 10:17 PM

Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Mar 16, 2010, 10:13 PM
and which deftones album has sold the most again?

what's the point ? Steph wasn,t happy with the changes from what i read, but the disk company never made any pressure for this kind of song, mostly chino wanting to write softer and catchier tune. i'm sure he loves all of them and probably prefer them from the more heavy tune like Elite, which sounds like it was written to make Steph happy.

but that's how i see it.

Inkblades · Mar 16, 2010, 10:21 PM

What's with the rumbling truck engine sounds in this song? Strangely, it adds to it.

jesusinabowlofdirt · Mar 16, 2010, 10:24 PM

Quote from: gui on Mar 16, 2010, 10:17 PM
Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Mar 16, 2010, 10:13 PM
and which deftones album has sold the most again?
what's the point ? Steph wasn,t happy with the changes from what i read, but the disk company never made any pressure for this kind of song, mostly chino wanting to write softer and catchier tune. i'm sure he loves all of them and probably prefer them from the more heavy tune like Elite, which sounds like it was written to make Steph happy.

but that's how i see it.

im just saying that there is a connection between easy listening songs and the benjamins (well duh) and that they are going for it with this choice of a single

gui · Mar 16, 2010, 10:26 PM

Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Mar 16, 2010, 10:24 PM
im just saying that there is a connection between easy listening songs and the benjamins (well duh) and that they are going for it with this choice of a single

yes now i agree with you, but i won't agree if you say deftones wrote it with this in mind.

jesusinabowlofdirt · Mar 16, 2010, 10:42 PM

deftones+producer+label: they are a team, and that team have a goal in the end - to sell records. they try to sell records by advertising, and that advertasing is by singles n videos.its not the demo where hearing, its the final product of a song, and many people have touched it since it was regarded as the single to make it even more of a single

medic1 · Mar 16, 2010, 11:04 PM

Wow. I used to come to post on this board back in the day, with a diff username. It has not changed. Deftones fans are just the most critical of all.

I just want to point out that the people who make explanations such as "oh this song is so not deftones," just need to realize that they are not in the band. The band chooses who they are, and where they will take themselves musically. Deftones is known to be a pretty experimental art rock type of band. It's all about getting the weirdest sounds, and this sound is pretty fucking weird ... and it's grand.

Expect to go back on your word within the next few months because I know all of you are gonna start posting "oh wow I GET IT NOW, this is some GREAT shit, and I love it." Which is okay, because that's why we are deftones fans. They are our number one team, and we will always continuously question and understand their music at different stages in our lives.

Also to the people that say this stuff is mainstream...and on purpose - can you just shut it. I don't think Chino sits down and is like ... oh let's make more mainstream music so I can please the world. Man, he's like one of the most self-indulgent musicians out there. The guy does not fucking care if his music makes mainstream or not. You think he was trying for that when he wrote White Pony? WRONG, the band got together and just laid some tracks down, and it happened to make some mainstreamers happy. They just make music ... and then people try to categorize it in the worst ways possible.

Next topic.

Everyone has been posting how these new songs are like White Pony and Around the Fur put together. I totally agree. You can almost feel the clash of the two albums. Sometimes I kind of get frustrated because it's a constant battle with Chino's melody versus Steph's anger. It's dynamic as fuck, but the songs aren't long enough for me to climax. I do enjoy the Finger of Death vibe in Diamond Eyes (Fuck that song needs to be studio released).

Oh and to end this post. Does anyone agree that this album could actually claim the name "Black Stallion"? It's a dark shade of white pony for sure.

Far away · Mar 16, 2010, 11:08 PM

Quote from: medic1 on Mar 16, 2010, 11:04 PM
Deftones fans are just the most critical of all.

I just want to point out that the people who make explanations such as "oh this song is so not deftones," just need to realize that they are not in the band. The band chooses who they are, and where they will take themselves musically. Deftones is known to be a pretty experimental art rock type of band. It's all about getting the weirdest sounds, and this sound is pretty fucking weird ... and it's grand.

/clap

feedthegod · Mar 16, 2010, 11:14 PM

The two songs I've heard sound nothing like Around the Fur or White Pony. It's a bunch of downtuned guitars in the same vein of S/T and SNW. Those are just a bunch of wishful thinking people trying to capture the past. The deftones will never make another White Pony or ATF. If you took Rocket Skates and put it on ATF, it would be totally out of place. Different tuning, different singing and feel. I'd suspect that all of the songs are going to be similar.

gui · Mar 16, 2010, 11:18 PM

Quote from: jesusinabowlofdirt on Mar 16, 2010, 10:42 PM
deftones+producer+label: they are a team, and that team have a goal in the end - to sell records. they try to sell records by advertising, and that advertasing is by singles n videos.its not the demo where hearing, its the final product of a song, and many people have touched it since it was regarded as the single to make it even more of a single

naw, i still dont agree, they made Hexagram and bloody cape a single for f sake instead of a more radio friendly one like deathblow for s/t. i think the bands has a big enough following so the disk company mostly give them carte blanche and i'm pretty sure the label don't interfere with the writing and recording process, they get the result and choose the song that they think might reach new fans to expend, but they don,t force the band to spew bullshit they are not into for the benjamins and change song structure to make them more accessible. we are not talking about britney spears and i'm pretty sure deftones wouldnt tolerate that.

but thats me, i might be naive.

gui · Mar 16, 2010, 11:21 PM

Quote from: feedthegod on Mar 16, 2010, 11:14 PM
The two songs I've heard sound nothing like Around the Fur or White Pony. It's a bunch of downtuned guitars in the same vein of S/T and SNW. Those are just a bunch of wishful thinking people trying to capture the past. The deftones will never make another White Pony or ATF. If you took Rocket Skates and put it on ATF, it would be totally out of place. Different tuning, different singing and feel. I'd suspect that all of the songs are going to be similar.

i actually don't want a new white pony or ATF, but if it sounds a lil bit like s/t i'm all for it lol. we are in 2010, not in 1998. But come on, i really can hear a ATF vibe from Rocket Skates.

MeR · Mar 16, 2010, 11:27 PM

As an old member I have to say, STOP BITCHING.

Seriously.

m1nusblindfoLd · Mar 16, 2010, 11:36 PM

Quote from: feedthegod on Mar 16, 2010, 11:14 PM
The two songs I've heard sound nothing like Around the Fur or White Pony. It's a bunch of downtuned guitars in the same vein of S/T and SNW. Those are just a bunch of wishful thinking people trying to capture the past. The deftones will never make another White Pony or ATF. If you took Rocket Skates and put it on ATF, it would be totally out of place. Different tuning, different singing and feel. I'd suspect that all of the songs are going to be similar.

^This 100%