Gore

[The Prodigy]

Thuth be told...If you Believe metacritic is legit! You are a fool! And maybe everyone will forget the past pages of you being made a complete fool.

[illthrowROCKS@U]

And yet, despite your assertion that Metacritic is corrupt, you have yet to explain why it would be corrupt in favor of Deftones. Each of those other bands has sold more records than Deftones, yes? You pointed this out. Each of those bands is more "mainstream" than Deftones, yes? Each of those bands has or had more marketing dollars behind them, yes? So why, oh why, would Metacritic skew User reviews towards Deftones?

You're grasping at straws again. If you can't follow through with a thought, reasonably and logically, you have no business making one.

Your sentence is really no different than the old Elementary School defense, "I'm rubber you're glue..." Get a new gimmick, buddy, because this one is tired.

[The Prodigy]

Yes some are in a list of the world's best-selling albums of recorded music.
" those bands is more "mainstream" than Deftones, yes?"
Some of them, Linkin Park... Limp Bizkit, no. Each of those bands has or had more marketing dollars behind them, yes?
Probably some of them, others not. I've never said it...Now, Who has more fans... No doubt... So by logic yeah I'm right... By many sites has been given those bands good scores! and yeah, metacritic has many people saying is corrupt...so...

[illthrowROCKS@U]

Wait... how are you right by "logic?" Do you even know what logic is?!

The scores are higher for Deftones from a critical and from a fan perspective on all of the sites I gave you.

Give me ONE, just ONE SINGLE aggregate music site which has user ratings higher for Korn or Limp Bizkit than Deftones. Just ONE.

Just. Give. Me. One.

[The Prodigy]

Ok. Wait.

[The Prodigy]

The Google put the same sites as you in the first place...so, during the weekend I will search about it...By logic, I mean social media is trash = your source. basically in everything the other bands are better. So by association! get it? Example: Im typing on google: ranker vote for eveything
See: Best Nu Metal Bands
http://m.ranker.com/list/nu-metal-bands-and-musicians/reference
https://www.thetoptens.com/best-nu-metal-bands/

[Nail]

One could argue that this post belongs in the other music section but I feel it is relevant here so please bear with me. When Gore first released people seemed to be mentioning how the album was mixed. Mostly the reactions were negative. I knew what people meant but couldn't peg what it meant exactly or what I'd change. Well, recently Incubus released a song called Nimble Bastard. They re-released the song and released it on Spotify/iTunes yesterday. If you've got a moment and like Incubus, check the two versions out. Two different songs basically due to the mix. I like things from both versions but wanted to share a clear example of mix differences.

[illthrowROCKS@U]

The Google put the same sites as you in the first place...so, during the weekend I will search about it...By logic, I mean social media is trash = your source. basically in everything the other bands are better. So by association! get it? Example: Im typing on google: ranker vote for eveything
See: Best Nu Metal Bands
http://m.ranker.com/list/nu-metal-bands-and-musicians/reference
https://www.thetoptens.com/best-nu-metal-bands/

Deftones hasn't been Nu Metal in over 15 years... I do give you some props on actually finding 2 that have Korn above Deftones. Although, both still have Deftones above Limp Bizkit, and one has Deftones above Linkin Park.

But I would like to ask you, what makes these pages you linked to any less "social media" than sputnik music, or metacritic, or besteveralbums?

Also, sorry but Metacritic and Sputnik > thetoptens.com...

I do commend you on actually finding 2 websites, though.

[Inkblades]

The Google put the same sites as you in the first place...so, during the weekend I will search about it...By logic, I mean social media is trash = your source. basically in everything the other bands are better. So by association! get it? Example: Im typing on google: ranker vote for eveything
See: Best Nu Metal Bands
http://m.ranker.com/list/nu-metal-bands-and-musicians/reference
https://www.thetoptens.com/best-nu-metal-bands/

I agree with these lists, Korn is definitely more nu-metal than Deftones.

[illthrowROCKS@U]

The Google put the same sites as you in the first place...so, during the weekend I will search about it...By logic, I mean social media is trash = your source. basically in everything the other bands are better. So by association! get it? Example: Im typing on google: ranker vote for eveything
See: Best Nu Metal Bands
http://m.ranker.com/list/nu-metal-bands-and-musicians/reference
https://www.thetoptens.com/best-nu-metal-bands/

I agree with these lists, Korn is definitely more nu-metal than Deftones.

+1

And thank god for that.

[defTHE1s]

Going back to Gore, did anyone noticed that Acid Hologram on the early leak finishes before than the final song on the album? Didn't the leak came from an actual album that was owned by someone before release date?

[BewareTheWater]

The Google put the same sites as you in the first place...so, during the weekend I will search about it...By logic, I mean social media is trash = your source. basically in everything the other bands are better. So by association! get it? Example: Im typing on google: ranker vote for eveything
See: Best Nu Metal Bands
http://m.ranker.com/list/nu-metal-bands-and-musicians/reference
https://www.thetoptens.com/best-nu-metal-bands/

I agree with these lists, Korn is definitely more nu-metal than Deftones.

Well, they were kinda the originators of nu metal in the first place....

[The Prodigy]

The Google put the same sites as you in the first place...so, during the weekend I will search about it...By logic, I mean social media is trash = your source. basically in everything the other bands are better. So by association! get it? Example: Im typing on google: ranker vote for eveything
See: Best Nu Metal Bands
http://m.ranker.com/list/nu-metal-bands-and-musicians/reference
https://www.thetoptens.com/best-nu-metal-bands/

I agree with these lists, Korn is definitely more nu-metal than Deftones.

Well, they were kinda the originators of nu metal in the first place....

Wait... illthrowROCKS@U said Deftones! Hahaha
m.ranker.com Ranker goes far beyond Top 10 lists with deep rankings about everything, voted on by everyone. Make lists, add your votes, and it's not controled by admins with agendas! See the reclamations of that guy about metacritic as example. One of many...

[illthrowROCKS@U]

Lets recap.

5 total user review sites have been presented:
Metaritic
Sputnik Music
Besteveralbums
Ranker
Thetoptens

5/5 of the sites place Deftones above Limp Bizkit
3/5 of the sites place Deftones ahead of Linkin Park
3/5 of the sites place Deftones ahead of Korn


And here you are, dancing a jig.

Then there's of course the critical reviews, which also all favor Deftones. So yeah. Go ahead and celebrate.

[boogabear123]

So many people are on this forum just spewing bullshit man, like if I dislike something Deftones did I'd wanna discuss it with open minded people. Not bringing up review sites thoughts on the matter, it's about how we feel about a band I am sure we all love, I mean why are you here? Don't gotta get all technical with scores and repeat what other 'bigger critics' have said about Deftones. You don't gotta be like "It's shit cause it just is"...Why is it shit then? How do you feel about it?

I really enjoyed Gore, definently one of my favorites by them, I can groove to it real easy. Anybody have their own opinion on it that you think I should hear? Let's talk then.

[O]

Lets recap.

5 total user review sites have been presented:
Metaritic
Sputnik Music
Besteveralbums
Ranker
Thetoptens

5/5 of the sites place Deftones above Limp Bizkit
3/5 of the sites place Deftones ahead of Linkin Park
3/5 of the sites place Deftones ahead of Korn


And here you are, dancing a jig.

Then there's of course the critical reviews, which also all favor Deftones. So yeah. Go ahead and celebrate.

He still talks about metacritic hahaha! Troll

So many people are on this forum just spewing bullshit man, like if I dislike something Deftones did I'd wanna discuss it with open minded people. Not bringing up review sites thoughts on the matter, it's about how we feel about a band I am sure we all love, I mean why are you here? Don't gotta get all technical with scores and repeat what other 'bigger critics' have said about Deftones. You don't gotta be like "It's shit cause it just is"...Why is it shit then? How do you feel about it?

Clap Clap

[illthrowROCKS@U]

He still talks about metacritic hahaha! Troll

Present a reasoned argument that would allow one to believe that Metacritic would skew reviews in favor of Deftones, please.

So far, nobody's been able to do that.

So far, what I've got is a dubious reference that suggests Metacritic skews reviews towards those with higher marketing dollars. Wouldn't that be skewing reviews in favor of bands like Linkin Park and Korn over Deftones? Hmmm.....

Edit: -whispers- Psssssssst, and even if you remove the Metacritic reference the results still favor Deftones. You might wanna rethink your argument.

[The Prodigy]

Nonsense...
Deftones were the originators of nu metal in the first place.... by you...
Then social media crap...
Why the fuck are you always saying... explain this and that... And you dont explain your nonsense!

[illthrowROCKS@U]

Nonsense...
Deftones were the originators of nu metal in the first place.... by you...
Then social media crap...
Why the fuck are you always saying... explain this and that... And you dont explain your nonsense!

You talk about "social media crap."

These sites are literally just people voting for what they think is best. That's what we're talking about here, right? What the general consensus is? This would be the literal determination of that. I don't know how to make this any more clear. You can't say that Limp Bizkit is more well liked than Deftones, but then say very literal physical embodiment of what is more liked is not sufficient evidence to determine if this statement is true or not.

I'm asking for you to explain why Metacritic would possibly skew results in favor of Deftones because THAT WAS YOUR ARGUMENT. You said Metacritic is not a credible source because they skew results, but WHY would they skew towards Deftones, you have yet to explain. No you don't just get to make shit up and say it supports your argument without some logical reason behind it.

Here's two more user review sites that place Deftones ahead of Korn, Limp Bizkit, and Linkin Park, by the way.
http://www.allmusic.com/
http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/

I just don't understand why this is even an argument. The evidence is clear. You assumed because you thought a certain way that the majority of people must also think that way. It's normal and natural for human beings to assume this, and I won't necessarily fault you for it. You can personally think whoever you want is best, but if you're going to make some implication that Korn, Limp Fucking Bizkit, or Linkin Park (particularly the former two) are more liked, more critically acclaimed, more respected, or more relevant than Deftones, then I'm afraid you're going to be fighting a losing battle. This is an easily measurable conversation, and the measure is in. Critical response and fan response favors Deftones over all three of those bands. That is the reality, because math. You were wrong. It's okay to be wrong. You're not a bad person for being wrong.

Just be a normal rational person and say, "Look, I get it. I made an assumption based on my own personal preferences, and it turns out I was wrong. I won't change my own personal preferences, but I now see that the majority critical and fan reception seems to support Deftones in favor of Korn, Limp Bizkit, or Linkin Park (particularly the former 2)."

That would be the healthy response to this conversation.

[The Prodigy]

Again ... You didnt explain why deftones is the originators of nu metal and the others are the copycats... When is the other way around...
Second...I am saying , everybody knows metacritic is corrupt! You don't know what is behind metacritic deftones and other bands... We just know metacritic is corrupt... 'but if you're going to make some implication that Korn, Limp Fucking Bizkit, or Linkin Park (particularly the former two) are more liked, more critically acclaimed, more respected, or more relevant than Deftones, then I'm afraid you're going to be fighting a losing battle'
1st: Linkin park and Korn are more liked , more respected or more relevant/influentional!
Linkin Park and korn sold more albums, has more fans... bigger live shows...and they are more Influential !
Top 10 Influential Nu Metal Bands
http://youtu.be/pQwBPbqcl_U