Does Back To School (Mini Maggit) Belong On White Pony?

[ignore the fashion]

Welcome to Deftones school kids:

Versions released:
- Silver/gray cover - regular version.
- Red/Black - Limited edtion with Boys Republic added as an extra song.
2001 Re-issue:
- White cover - Has BTS added before the tracklist.

A true fan should own all these versions.

I own them all and with the recent silver HT exclusive that brought the total number of copies to 8.

4 CD, 3 vinyl, and 1 cassette.

[black coffee]

A true fan should own all these versions.

And why is that?

I get it when people want to own as much merchandise, band memorabilia, bootlegs and whatever there is as they can , but c'mon man! Like there is anything wrong with owning an album once, much less doesn't it make others a less worthy fan.

[slyartwork]

I was just talking man, don't go look for deeper meaning behind it when I say stuff like that. There is no definition of what makes a true fan I guess.

When it came out I bought all of them also to have The Boys Republic and Back To School. This was before or at the time downloading was just starting with Napster. Collecting is something different than being a fan.

Anyway, don't even ask how many versions I have hahaah

[nicklav]

You make me feel better about the "redundancies" in my collection. Very nice.

[luisch]

I was just talking man, don't go look for deeper meaning behind it when I say stuff like that. There is no definition of what makes a true fan I guess.

When it came out I bought all of them also to have The Boys Republic and Back To School. This was before or at the time downloading was just starting with Napster. Collecting is something different than being a fan.

Anyway, don't even ask how many versions I have hahaah

Amazing collection, Sly!

[digital bath]

There are two versions of BTS, in one the intro is longer, the chorus changed "her" to "him" and the ending is also a bit different.
Somebody knows on which CD/LP or MC this version was released? (if it ever was released)

[slyartwork]

There are two versions of BTS, in one the intro is longer, the chorus changed "her" to "him" and the ending is also a bit different.
Somebody knows on which CD/LP or MC this version was released? (if it ever was released)

It was never released. It was on the first WP leak before it came out.

[deftoneseba]

I only listen to the silver cover version. BTS got me tired and I just don't like it anymore since a couple of years... The Boy's Republic is just not right to be right after Pink Maggit, that song is one of the greatests last tracks that I've ever listened to.

[truthaddict]

Yeah, I got "Back To School" and "Boy's Republic" both on my custom B-Sides & Rarities album.

On a side note, is there any way to still buy the Silver Cover brand new online, or is it long gone?  I usually only see the other covers around in stores.

[pony_01]

Deftones and Poison the Well split was fucking sickkkkkk.
amazing collection sly

[endstand]

Hey Sly,have you ever heard of a Blue Version?A buddy of mine had this back in the day.It was just like the original silver/white cover with the pony in the bottom corner,as far as I an remember it was exactly identical to the original,it just had blue instead of silver,same disc.I tried to find it for myself years later,for collectors purpose's and I couldn't find any proof it ever existed.

Look what I found: http://www.musicstack.com/item/12013768
It's not the first time I came across this Blue version, but I don't really know if it really exists.

[SwerveCityUSA]

Back To School is one of the only gay songs they've wrote, so no it doesn't belong on the record. but if they made money off of it then cool I would too. I remember before the album came out I downloaded a rough copy on napster, it was like 30 seconds longer. Pink Maggit is the only good version in my opinion and I remember hearing the intro before be quiet and drive at ozzfest 99.

[deftones47]

As one who never witnessed "Feiticeira" being the first track of White Pony, I have to say that it's not all that bad. I like its energy, but that's about it. The lyrics could have been more original for the song, rather than taking lines from Pink Maggit. I also gotta say that I like Pink Maggit a lot more. And yes, I know. Back to School (Mini Maggit) was just some commercial song that they were asked to record and play, and Deftones themselves hate it.

So there's my opinion and some facts on "Back to School (Mini Maggit)".

[ignore the fashion]

I don't hate the song as much as other people do, but I enoy the song. Usually when I do listen to White Pony, its one of the limited edition ones because I enjoy The Boys Republic more.

[SwerveCityUSA]

basically it's a good song for teenagers.

[Zantera]

I don't think Mini Maggit is a bad song, but White Pony is perfect as it is, and would only get worse if you threw Mini Maggit on it.

[MaximumPezcore]

I actually used to really like this song and didn't like Feiticeira at all for a while. It was on my playlist for when I'd shower (shower-core music) along with some other 'Tones tunes and Zelliack, and I could never figure out why people hated this song so much, and truth is, I still can't figure out why it's hated, but I do definitely agree it's awkward on the tracklisting, and overall just doesn't fit the album at all.

One thing I really like is how it borrowed lyrics from Pink Maggit, so when the album was on its last track, it almost felt like everything was coming full-circle, and that justified it being on the album for me, but now I just wish Feiticera had that chorus somehow instead. It's a great song for a b-sides collection but it ultimately does not fit the vibe or general atmosphere of White Pony enough for me to actually consider it part of the album.

[pinata89]

I bought White Pony the day it was released.  I listened to the album 100+ times that year.  The version I got was the "Silver Cover" which does not include the song "Back To School (Mini Maggit)" at all.  The album I bought that day is a masterpiece.

I bought another copy a while later (Black Cover, I think) which has "Back To School (Mini Maggit)" added as track 1.  It just never sounded right to me.  Feiticeira was just such a face-melting intro, I didn't think anything belonged before it.

I think it is fairly common knowledge that the band didn't intend for "Back To School" to be on the album.  It also suffers from different mastering that makes it louder than the rest of the album.

Fast forward to the age of the Ipod, I have started to make lots of customized versions of albums.  We can edit albums any way we want now.  If you want to get rid of 30 minutes of silence, then do it.  If there are two songs on one track, you can split them.  If you think a song just sucks ass, then remove it.

I made "Back To School" track 1 on my custom version of "B-Sides & Rarities", and it sounds great.

Do you have "Back To School (Mini Maggit)" on your version of White Pony, did you add it on to the B-Sides album, or do you just pretend it doesn't exist?


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Back To School (Mini Maggit)
Feiticeira   
Digital Bath
Elite
RX Queen
Street Carp
Teenager
Knife Prty
Korea
Passenger
Change (In The House Of Flies)
Pink Maggit

I have my iTunes organized where alternate versions are denoted with asterisk's.  So for White Pony, I have placed "Back to School (Mini-Maggit)*" and "The Boy's Republic*" at the end of the album, mainly to denote that they were not included on the original release--however, they are b-sides and outtakes.  So they do deserve to be part of this era of the Deftones in some way...this is my way of reflecting that.

With that said, "The Boy's Republic" is much more a fitting song for this album than "Back to School (Mini Maggit)."  However, "The Boy's Republic" seems like a song that would fit more nicely had it been on Around the Fur, as it sounds like a song written around this era--maybe not mixed and mastered, but certainly written.

[Zantera]

I consider myself a huge fan of several bands, but I don't think I would ever get multiple copies of the same release, even if it's something different. The reason is that I like way too many bands to start doing that, having several copies of the same album.

[jaypayton]

I'll take Mini Maggit any day of the week over ANYTHING on DE and KNY