Deftones Tour: Live guide + video footage

[closertothelung]

Don't know if Sly or anyone mentioned this yet, but got to talk to Stef today, and he said that they wouldn't be playing it because he "couldn't get the right tone". Which is fair enough. I'm just glad that a straight answer has been given, rather than more false hope.

I do hope they change up the set in some way tonight, and not just for his sake.

They're not music-making machines, they have feelings and thoughts and opinions, they dont stay in the same place.

I think that's the point, though--they're acting like machines, in a sense. They're simply going through the motions, playing the same robotic set, their music and antics becoming more "formulaic" than ever, and so on. I know that I don't see any spontaneity, or even simply emotion in what they do anymore, and haven't seen that in a few years.

[sooniletugo]

Fair enough if they couldn't play it for whatever reason, but they could have apologised or Chino could have not got his hopes up unless he was certain they could play it. So that's pretty shit in my book. I was at the first show on the tour and I expected the setlist to only get better as the tour continued, but it's just getting worse from the looks of things, with them cutting songs like Romantic Dreams rather than adding in more new ones. I've said many times before how I think it's unreasonable to demand them to switch up the setlist all the time but this is pretty lame I have to say. They've hit a bit of a slump here. Can't fault Ves for being fed up.

[slyartwork]

Things get blown out of proportion. If Stef said that, fair enough indeed! I would have asked Stef right away to just play ANOTHER different (less played) song hahah.

[WithoutMyJade]

I understand that it was an emotional discussion about why the song meant a great deal to you, and I am sure he was appreciative that you cared so much, but isnt it just possible that he simply FORGOT? There are probably dozens of things that he needed to do prior to going on stage, some likely more pressing than remembering to change one song on the setlist, and maybe since the set was already written, he forgot to update it.

You tell me that you've never made the mistake of forgetting something important... because you'd be the first.

[nineteen]

Also, don't forget; For many fans on this tour it will be the first time they are hearing these songs live.

They could put just one rare song in to shake things up a bit but not much we can do. I personally could listen to them play whatever.

[one weak]

Somebody smart once told me : "Never meet your idols"
To this day I believe very strong in this and the above experience from Ves confirms this.

Ves... don't take it personally. Deftones meet a thousands of fans a year. We each have their love for them, our personal story we want to share with them and they can't be in to all this.
Deftones is a unpolitical band, they communicate very little and when they do this  is very carefully, they don't support any social movement.
They sincerly don't want to be taken very seriously.. they just want to play their music and entertain people. Don't make more of it.

well said

[jaypayton]

time to delete sharing the lungs....

theres a famous story about a guy who was a huge faith no more fan, he was obsessed with them and then one night during their show in amsterdam, he ran onstage and got tackled by mike patton and after that,. the guy disowned the band and got rid of all his memorabilia etc.....

Its kind of a dick thing to do, to meet a band then tell them their setlists are boring, even if its true...their own friends dont have the balls to tell them that stuff

I do agree the fans have changed...poser central

[jv_]

boohoo.
everyone should just be glad theyre even still making music and performing. they had the choice to continue or drop everything once chi got into that accident. complaining about their setlist and not playing 1 song that meant so much to you is ridiculous

[Visitant]

UH OHHH... Vesanic's story on facebook:
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LOL!!!

[Visitant]

Also, don't forget; For many fans on this tour it will be the first time they are hearing these songs live.

They could put just one rare song in to shake things up a bit but not much we can do. I personally could listen to them play whatever.

Word.

[pony_01]

lol calm down.

[defeldrick]

Regarding to Vesanics post:

I have very good experience with how Chino behaved to me.  Last week, the 18th February, I rode the train to Manchester to visit Deftones at The Manchester Academy 1. I bought a couple of T-shirts, beer of Carlsberg and stood in front of the fence engineers. I was watching the support band Three Trapped Tigers and suddenly rotate and look who stands about two feet from me, it was Abe! He was wearing a knitted cap to nobody would recognize him, but wishful thinking. I slowly reached down and pulled the camera from the bag. Slowly I came to Abe, greeted and politely asked if I could take a picture with him. Neither have time to say anything, took a picture with me, looking at me horrified and immediately disappeared.
After blissfully staring at the camera display that my shot was good I'm going back to my place and when I turn, I see it all the time behind me were standing Chino with Juan! At that moment I did not know if I feel good or see a ghost! ... Chino looks at me intently, about what I want. Avidly watched Three Trapped Tigers. I did not want to disturb him, but I had the chance to use it. I came to him, nicely greeted and asked him if I could take a picture with him. He said nothing, just as surprised and shook his head, no. Juan let me know that no. So I went back over there to where I was standing, I just dodged Chino's view. During that came to Chino two Britons whispered something to him and immediately dropped out when they asked if they can take a picture with him, he said only "later". After about 5 minutes of watching Three Trapped Tigers someone of two of them (probably Juan) tapped  me on the shoulder, that I can take a picture with him! I was so fucking nervous that my camera fell from my hands. I came to Chino and at that moment I was speechless, so the only thing in that moment it occurred to him to say was that this is one of the best moments in my life that I appreciate it. I asked him if he remembers the concert in Prague in 2010, and he said yes: "Yes, It was hot, man!". Then we shook hands, I thanked to Chino and then he disappeared with Juan. Nobody else didnt take a picture with him, at least, what I noticed at that moment.

[jaypayton]

I am still trying to figure out how the white pony album helped save Vesanics life and inspired him to get his shit together...considering the album was written while Chino was knee deep in cocaine and booze and Chino only got worse for the next 5 years...in other words, it didnt even inspire the artists who wrote the stuff to get their shit together.....

[elite54]

You spend a lot of time on a forum of a band you don't like. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

[closertothelung]

Music has different meaning to each individual, which I thought was common knowledge, but apparently not. It doesn't have to be lyrical content, it could just be an overall tone or atmosphere. It doesn't even have to be that a person sees at as such a positive messages that makes them want to turn their life around--it could be that entirely bleak outlook that sets things into perspective. He may not even know himself exactly why it had such an impact on him--it just did, and no one but he is in a position to judge that.

[Smog]

UH OHHH... Vesanic's story on facebook:
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I won't be as "extreme" as V. on this one but i'm a french fan from adrenaline (album and tour), i was at le trianon last night and i agree with V. on some facts: they skipped Engine !!!! Wtf !!!!
Just watch the bloody cape video (the one from Carson show in particular) and the one from Paris last night... Chino is not "the" Chino we knew in the late 90's until 2003 era, he lost his voice, and as a fan of the band, he has all my respect to still come and sing the best he can, and the band is still a huge and strong band!
Who are we to want something from a band? They give us their music: if you like it, ok, great. But if you don't anymore, just listen to something else or still listen to the same album you liked, but don't ask a band to be the same old band you liked 10 years ago.
Music is an art, it evolves, so do we, as human beings. I'm kind of frustrated because i didn't feel the energy of "the" deftones i was a fan of 10 years ago. But i can't blame them for that and again, they have all my respect to still be there!!! Long life to deftones, whatever they decide to do next!

[play]

I just dont like how he thinks they owe him something.
Chino would get so many people coming up to him telling him their stories and experiences with their music.
Im sure he was cool and respectful to ves when he told them his story.
But to expect them to definitley slip in a 7 minute song that they have not played for years, to a set that's been rehearsed, with organised changeovers, mix levels, lighting cues that have been thought out is ignorant.

And fuck the people that are saying, its so bad that he lied about saying they would play it.
He probably asked the band and they said they can't do it or he rightfully decided he didn't feel like playing it. And of course Chino isn't going to run around the venue looking for ves to tell him 'oh sorry man, we can't play it, i feel so bad '.

HARDEN THE FUCK UP.

[kurtone]

Doesn't be talk a lot of shit about where the band (especially Chino) are at musically now? Wonder if he told them about how much trash he talks on the board. I'm not trying to attack ves in any way and I appreciate everything he'd done for sharing lungs, but just curious...

[cesar421]

According to setlist.fm they played Rickets.

[closertothelung]

I just dont like how he thinks they owe him something.
Chino would get so many people coming up to him telling him their stories and experiences with their music.
Im sure he was cool and respectful to ves when he told them his story.
But to expect them to definitley slip in a 7 minute song that they have not played for years, to a set that's been rehearsed, with organised changeovers, mix levels, lighting cues that have been thought out is ignorant.

And fuck the people that are saying, its so bad that he lied about saying they would play it.
He probably asked the band and they said they can't do it or he rightfully decided he didn't feel like playing it. And of course Chino isn't going to run around the venue looking for ves to tell him 'oh sorry man, we can't play it, i feel so bad '.

HARDEN THE FUCK UP.

You're kidding me, right?

Correct, the band owes him nothing, and he is entirely aware of this. Trust me, he did not expect them to "definitely" play this song. Remember Amsterdam, when he and others got them to play Combat and The Boy's Republic? On this day, they discussed many rarities, and Pink Maggit was one of these. On this day, Chino shot him down, which was fine. This time, Ves was given false hope. What was the point in Chino saying that they would definitely play the song to him if there was a doubt? That is the issue here.

As for suggesting that Ves has twisted their words, there would be no point in doing this. He has nothing to gain from it, except assholes such as yourself getting on his ass about being disappointed by a band that was his favourite for years. And that's hardly something anyone would intentionally wish to add to their roster of nuisances.

Now, I suggest you shut the fuck up, sweetheart.