Gore

[LG95]

I'm sure that this may have been discussed at length throughout the last hundred or so pages, but one thing that really surprises me is the varied response to the album. Honestly, for the most part, you guys are loving this album well more than I expected. But a few friends of mine who have heard it are very split on the album. One of them absolutely adores it, while the other, a fan since the beginning that has listened to every album released with me, is calling it boring. What I'm wondering is whether or not the album is universally good because it is just good music, and it's as simple as that, or if it is the experience/emotional connection that it provides the listener? Like, is it really possible, after eight albums of material, that there could be such a rift between listeners  where something that is dull and boring to one individual is breathtaking end game-changing for another?

Just something that I noticed that surprised me. I'd like to hear your opinions, as I have yet to listen to it but, depending on the events of today, I may crack and listen.

I think it's partly because it's one of those albums that has to grow - like I cannot see this being the sort of album that wears off really quickly. There's a lot of songs that depend on having listened to them multiple times. For some people, this sort of record may be a little boring at first. Almost every Deftones album has taken me a few listens to get into; Diamond Eyes bored me on first listen, White Pony didn't strike me as anything like the masterpiece that it obviously is when I first heard it, Around The Fur took a while. There's a certain immediacy obviously but albums that have to grow on you may often strike you as a little dull on first listen. So I can understand someone not being instantly grabbed by Gore initially. I knew it was really good the first time I heard it but part of that was because I could tell even on a crappy vinyl rip that there was a diverseness to it, that there were layers that I was going to discover ten or twenty listens in. I think this record is going to stick for people and some who aren't instantly impressed will slowly become so.

Having said that, I don't think the variation in response is surprising or unusual - every album ever made gets varied responses. I don't see anything out of the ordinary in the reaction to this album.

[2MoreHours]

Hm. It's okay, I guess. It is a good album, it sounds and feels cohesive, has a couple of good songs and beautiful lyrics, but overall it has more filler than standout tracks. For me that is, and on the second listen. Some tracks I just don't feel like I will have the urge to listen to again, ever. Those tracks sound just bland and boring to me.
I like that they did something new, it most certainly sounds und feels fresh, but to me it's far from being a Deftones album I wished for.
White Pony and the selftitled are my untouchable classics from them, ATF and KNY not close behind, but Gore struggles to surpass DE and even SNW for me. For now of course.

I'm kind of with you at this point but it's a little early for me to form a strong opinion.  I'm really disappointed in the production of Rubicon because it's such an amazing song but just flat out sounds shitty production wise.  That's the one song I wish they would have done a KNY style production on.  There are some good songs on here but it's just missing something "heaviness" wise. 

[jciraheta]

dam i can put the flack version on my ipod  for some reason, just hear it on the computer

[gwenudo]

dam i can put the flack version on my ipod  for some reason, just hear it on the computer

Are you able to listen to it in itunes? You need an audio converter. One that can turn the FLAC file into ALAC (Apple Lossless Audio Code i think) that way you can put it on itunes and on to your ipod

[thetimeisdead]

dam i can put the flack version on my ipod  for some reason, just hear it on the computer

You need to transfer the files to MP3 or M4A to play on an iPod or iPhone

[phil for real]

I guess to some people the album isn't "br00tal" enough lolol.

You know, to each their own but if I'm being truthful to myself, I don't see them putting out another "heavy" album. And it kind of bums me out that many of their fans refuse to see the writing that's been on the wall for years now.  Chino said it in an interview years ago...  The reason he's not writing a bunch of screaming part is because he wants to continue in the band  for years to come, not blow his voice out for the sake of making a "brutal" album

I don't want them to put out a heavy album honestly.  I mean I prefer the more moody, atmospheric Deftones.  The "heavier" Deftones songs are solid, but I'd be just fine without songs like Gore. 

[gwenudo]

dam i can put the flack version on my ipod  for some reason, just hear it on the computer

You need to transfer the files to MP3 or M4A to play on an iPod or iPhone

He'll loose quality if he does that, best two ways is ALAC or WAV

[thetimeisdead]

I guess to some people the album isn't "br00tal" enough lolol.

You know, to each their own but if I'm being truthful to myself, I don't see them putting out another "heavy" album. And it kind of bums me out that many of their fans refuse to see the writing that's been on the wall for years now.  Chino said it in an interview years ago...  The reason he's not writing a bunch of screaming part is because he wants to continue in the band  for years to come, not blow his voice out for the sake of making a "brutal" album

I don't want them to put out a heavy album honestly.  I mean I prefer the more moody, atmospheric Deftones.  The "heavier" Deftones songs are solid, but I'd be just fine without songs like Gore.

Count me too. I prefer this side of Deftones, a lot more than the "brutal-heavy" one.

[phil for real]

It just baffles me that some people expect Deftones to put out some unbelievably heavy album or something similar to Adrenaline lol.  It's simply never going to happen.  Adrenaline is a terrible album.  I mean, I get if you got into them with that album and it holds nostalgia, but it's just not a good album by any means.  I want the band to keep progressing and it always blows my mind when I see people complaining about them not being "heavy" lol.  They're at their best when writing moody music.  Not saying the riffs can't be chunky, but it's not going to be full on aggression the entire time. 

[MammothSound]

I guess to some people the album isn't "br00tal" enough lolol.

That's been the same story for 16 years with the 90's metal heads. Whatever. The soundscape of this album is all over the place like every Deftones album. Overall, I find Abe and Steph's sound to be much more punishing on Gore over DE and KNY.

[thetimeisdead]

Adrenaline is the past. We all loved it when we were kids, but I'm so glad that they never returned to that sound.

[phil for real]

I guess to some people the album isn't "br00tal" enough lolol.

That's been the same story for 16 years with the 90's metal heads. Whatever. The soundscape of this album is all over the place like every Deftones album. Overall, I find Abe and Steph's sound to be much more punishing on Gore over DE and KNY.

Yeah I've just never looked at Deftones as a metal band.  I really didn't think many people did, but then I saw some of the comments about the album and it blew my mind lol.  It's clear that Chino is heavy into shoegaze and lush sounds.  That's the best part about Deftones to me.  The beautiful angelic parts.  If it weren't for Chino and Stef had his way this would have been some generic metal band.  Not a knock on Stef, but it's unfortunately true.  I personally was thrilled when I found out Chino handled most of the songwriting and it clearly shines through.

[snw9]

Adrenaline is the past. We all loved it when we were kids, but I'm so glad that they never returned to that sound.

I doubt anyone of the band members would go back to that, there is way too much growth and maturity now.

[kleptoned]

It just baffles me that some people expect Deftones to put out some unbelievably heavy album or something similar to Adrenaline lol.  It's simply never going to happen.  Adrenaline is a terrible album.  I mean, I get if you got into them with that album and it holds nostalgia, but it's just not a good album by any means.  I want the band to keep progressing and it always blows my mind when I see people complaining about them not being "heavy" lol.  They're at their best when writing moody music.  Not saying the riffs can't be chunky, but it's not going to be full on aggression the entire time. 

This ...  I started with Adrenaline so it will always be my favorite due to that but evolving with the music as they do is great.

[BallZDeeP]

Whats up dudes? How is everyone?

[illthrowROCKS@U]

It's not so much Adrenaline style heaviness I want a little more of... Just more S/T style heaviness a la WGTB, Hexagram, etc.

[phil for real]

It's not so much Adrenaline style heaviness I want a little more of... Just more S/T style heaviness a la WGTB, Hexagram, etc.

I mean yeah, I love WGTB, but I'd much prefer songs like Battle Axe, Deathblow, Anniversary, Minerva, etc.  I love Self Titled.  It's prob my fav album.  If I had to describe it, I'd probably call it Doomgaze.

[pony_01]

remember Chino is totally cool with all this.

I'll make it up to him on the tour with a nice reach-around

dont make the other guys jealous

he is totally onto us guys.. sharing leaks = sharinglungs

[MammothSound]

It's not so much Adrenaline style heaviness I want a little more of... Just more S/T style heaviness a la WGTB, Hexagram, etc.

At this point in their career, it's Acid Hologram style heaviness I want.

[phil for real]

Yeah I'm completely fine w the direction they're going.  I've always wanted them to do a very mellow spacey album full of songs like Digital Bath, Rx Queen, Sextape, Rosemary, Hearts/Wires, etc.  Would love that.