Gore

[illthrowROCKS@U]

"Again ... You didnt explain why deftones is the originators of nu metal and the others are the copycats... When is the other way around..."

I do believe that Deftones played an integral role in the foundations of Nu Metal, and then abandoned the genre completely before it reached its most popular moments. That is why any list of "Nu Metal" is fundamentally inferior to general rankings that disregard genre. Deftones simply aren't Nu Metal. They haven't been Nu Metal for about 2 decades now. It's silly to even equate them to "Nu Metal" anymore.

"Second...I am saying , everybody knows metacritic is corrupt! You don't know what is behind metacritic deftones and other bands... We just know metacritic is corrupt..."

We don't know Metacritic is corrupt. Some random forum user claimed they were in 2013. That was your source. Even if they were corrupt in regard to User Rankings, it still doesn't change the critical rankings. Listen, this is settled. You don't even need Metacritic to know this. Deftones win the critical review game when compared to LP, LB, and Korn. This is measurable. You can just simply look at the reviews themselves. And even if we threw out Metacritic, which would be stupid to do, the User reviews still support Deftones over those three bands.

"1st: Linkin park and Korn are more liked , more respected or more relevant/influentional!
Linkin Park and korn sold more albums, has more fans... bigger live shows...and they are more Influential !"

Linkin Park and Korn are certainly more well known. They had a bigger marketing budget, they had more marketing dollars put behind them. More people have heard of them. This, of course, would lead to more record sales. And, as we've already established, record sales do not show enjoyment of said record. Ratings themselves are a LITERAL INTERPRETATION of the enjoyment of a record.

We can assume, of course, that if you've heard of Deftones you've probably heard of Korn and Linkin Park. We cannot assume the opposite. This is simply because those bands had larger marketing schemes. So then, we can assume that anyone who's rated Deftones has probably heard of Korn and LP, and yet Deftones still gets better rankings than either of those bands in general. I know it's hard to swallow from a fan-boy, but the evidence is quite clear. Fans and critics consider Deftones better.

If you're going to continue to harp on album sales, you're only going to destroy whatever credibility you may have had. The critics agree, the fans agree on majority of sites, Deftones are better. This is measurable. It's tangible. We can look at the data. You can continue to stick your fingers in your ears if you like, but it's getting a bit ridiculous.

[Inkblades]

Lol, we're still having this argument? It's 2017, for fuck's sake.

You didnt explain why deftones is the originators of nu metal and the others are the copycats...

That's an amazingly easy answer. Are you really gonna make me give you a nu-metal history lesson? Damn you to hell, man.

Fine...

Deftones released Adrenaline, their only album that is primarily nu-metal, in 1995. Linkin Park didn't even exist in '95 and Limp Bizkit didn't release an album until two years later - by then, Deftones were on their second album, ATF, and already moving away from the nu-metal genre with elements of alternative metal and shoegaze. LB was putting out a rap-rock album in 97, which DT had already dabbled with in 95. So, tell me, how could those two bands originate nu-metal if they weren't even making nu-metal when Deftones were?

The only other band that was also performing nu-metal in the mid-90's was, yes, Korn, who released their debut in 94. However, Adrenaline had a lot more rapping than Korn did on their debut, which is one of the primary characteristics when one thinks of nu-metal. But Korn definitely had the nu-metal guitar and drum sound, so, both bands were the originators of nu-metal.

Now, here's where things get interesting. Deftones correctly realized nu-metal was going to age like freshly-prepared dog shit. They also knew that they had so much more to offer than just rapping over downtuned guitars. Can you imagine if Chino had just did his Adrenaline performance for eight albums in a row? Eight albums of songs like 7 Words and Engine Number #9? It would have been fucking awful. I wouldn't even be a fan if they had done that.

That's why they started moving away from nu-metal in 97 and had pretty much completely abandoned it by 2000 (save Back to School...and maybe Steph's guitar tone on a couple songs here and there). Why did they move away from it?

Because nu-metal is dead. It's dead as disco. Do you not realize that the genre is now looked upon as a big joke? An embarrassingly dated footnote? Deftones realized that back during the height of nu-metal...that's why they put out a new wave-influenced alternative metal masterpiece the same year Fred Durst was rappin' about rollin' and Linkin Park were whinin' about crawling.

An album, by the way, that none of these bands have come CLOSE to. A fact that you and your friends keep ignoring. You keep ignoring when I bring up the fact that none of these bands have the talent to make a White Pony. Fuck album sales and the sizes of shows...who gives a shit? Let's talk about what's important. The music. Name ONE album by Korn, Limp Bizkit or Linkin Park that is better than White Pony. I dare you...I DOUBLE DARE YOU, MOTHERFUCKER.

The funny thing, btw, is everything I just told you and have BEEN telling you is all in the video YOU JUST POSTED. Watch the Deftones part again... "They were considered nu-metal until their third album, White Pony, when many believe they moved past the label to something entirely new".

I realize, though, that is probably why you like these other bands more. Because they still are nu-metal, unlike Deftones. And my only response to that is a well-placed LOL.

[The Prodigy]

Nu metal is a joke for fucktards! I love all the bands in the vídeo! Deftones is a mainstream band! Just dont have the success as the other bands because they make better music and because of that, sell more álbuns! Because of that bigger shows! They dont had more marketing dollars put behind them.
Better than white pony
Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory
Korn - Follow the Leader
Limp Bizkit -  chocolate starfish and the hotdog flavored water
Slipknot - Self Titled MOTHERFUCKER

[Inkblades]

Have a blessed day.

[illthrowROCKS@U]

Yeah... that's it for me man. If you're going to put those over White Pony, you're a lost cause. No further comments are necessary.

Good call on that, Inkblades. Now we know this conversation is absolutely futile. I mean, we knew that already... but jesus... those albums better than White Pony... that really puts this joker into perspective for me. He's a lost cause.

Seriously... Limp Fucking Bizkit... LOL!!!

[The Prodigy]

[LG95]

I can't decide if the level of trolling on this forum is terrible or top notch.

[O]

I can't decide if the level of trolling on this forum is terrible or top notch.

Terrible trolls!

[illthrowROCKS@U]

I can't decide if the level of trolling on this forum is terrible or top notch.

Honestly, I don't believe it's trolling. I think he's serious. And it's disturbing...

[O]

illthrowROCKS@U comment, I'am curious ...http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,21205.0.html

[ANattyRat]

...can we start talking about Gore again now, or?

[patrick]

People still listen to Limp biizkit?  What a joke band.  You can't be taken seriously making arguments that LB is a great band and the Chocolate Shit Factory album is pathetic.   At least go with 3 dollar but that's still bad.

[Martin]

...can we start talking about Gore again now, or?

This.


Haven't listened to Gore in awhile now (all these other great records out there need some love too).
Should do it again. Looking forward to the upcoming live shows, and wonder what cuts they'll play.

[Seven]

People still listen to Limp biizkit?  What a joke band.  You can't be taken seriously making arguments that LB is a great band and the Chocolate Shit Factory album is pathetic.   At least go with 3 dollar but that's still bad.

Limp Bizkit is a great band, the social media always said shit about them and about the Nu-Metal era, they are a joke...Fuck them!

...can we start talking about Gore again now, or?

New oficial videos? News?

[illthrowROCKS@U]

People still listen to Limp biizkit?  What a joke band.  You can't be taken seriously making arguments that LB is a great band and the Chocolate Shit Factory album is pathetic.   At least go with 3 dollar but that's still bad.

Limp Bizkit is a great band, the social media always said shit about them and about the Nu-Metal era, they are a joke...Fuck them!

...can we start talking about Gore again now, or?

New oficial videos? News?

"The social media," AKA, people. Lots and lots of people.

Nu Metal is pretty much regarded as a joke, with Deftones and Linkin Park as the only bands to successfully break the label. But of all the shitty, dated, hilarious, Nu Metal bands... Limp Bizkit takes the cake. Lol... people hate them. They have like 1 or less star reviews on every site. Nobody likes Limp Bizkit anymore, and I honestly am surprised anyone ever did.

[Seven]

People still listen to Limp biizkit?  What a joke band.  You can't be taken seriously making arguments that LB is a great band and the Chocolate Shit Factory album is pathetic.   At least go with 3 dollar but that's still bad.

Limp Bizkit is a great band, the social media always said shit about them and about the Nu-Metal era, they are a joke...Fuck them!

...can we start talking about Gore again now, or?

New oficial videos? News?

"The social media," AKA, people. Lots and lots of people.

Nu Metal is pretty much regarded as a joke, with Deftones and Linkin Park as the only bands to successfully break the label. But of all the shitty, dated, hilarious, Nu Metal bands... Limp Bizkit takes the cake. Lol... people hate them. They have like 1 or less star reviews on every site. Nobody likes Limp Bizkit anymore, and I honestly am surprised anyone ever did.

No...Social Media AKA fake media! If you believe people hate new Korn, or slipknot, evanescence etc... just see the music videos and see the likes and dislikes...

[kurtone]

People still listen to Limp biizkit?  What a joke band.  You can't be taken seriously making arguments that LB is a great band and the Chocolate Shit Factory album is pathetic.   At least go with 3 dollar but that's still bad.

Limp Bizkit is a great band, the social media always said shit about them and about the Nu-Metal era, they are a joke...Fuck them!

...can we start talking about Gore again now, or?

New oficial videos? News?

"The social media," AKA, people. Lots and lots of people.

Nu Metal is pretty much regarded as a joke, with Deftones and Linkin Park as the only bands to successfully break the label. But of all the shitty, dated, hilarious, Nu Metal bands... Limp Bizkit takes the cake. Lol... people hate them. They have like 1 or less star reviews on every site. Nobody likes Limp Bizkit anymore, and I honestly am surprised anyone ever did.

No...Social Media AKA fake media! If you believe people hate new Korn, or slipknot, evanescence etc... just see the music videos and see the likes and dislikes...

Trump? Is that you?

[Inkblades]

People still listen to Limp biizkit?  What a joke band.  You can't be taken seriously making arguments that LB is a great band and the Chocolate Shit Factory album is pathetic.   At least go with 3 dollar but that's still bad.

Limp Bizkit is a great band, the social media always said shit about them and about the Nu-Metal era, they are a joke...Fuck them!

They'd be a good band without Durst. Wes is a very talented guitarist, no denying that, but Durst's half-assed bullshit always held them back. The fact that you don't fuck with Run the Jewels but think Durst is great at rapping is fucking laughable.

[Inkblades]

A wild Vesanic appears!

If you go back and read from wherever this argument started (or just look at my recent post history), you'll see I gave props where I felt they were due. I just gave Borland and the rest of the band props for being genuinely talented musicians, I gave Durst props on having a good scream and liking his performance on Eat You Alive, I gave Davis props on hitting some high notes and also gave Korn props for being just as much of nu-metal orginators as Deftones, etc...

But ultimately, I'm just not a fan of Durst. Maybe it's because I grew up on 90's east coast hip-hop, though. Durst had a decent flow on the first album, sure, but when you grew up on Nas, Biggie and Wu-Tang, someone like Durst just feels like a pale comparison. (Don't even get me started on Bennington - I could at least see the fun, goofy party aspect in Durst's style. Bennington's voice actually gives me a headache. Not trying to be smug or superior. I just don't like it.)

And look, if you like them? Fine. Like whatever you like. However...

I just can't abide by the notion that LB or LP are better than or came before DT. That's not opinion confirmation. That's fact, and I know you would agree with it. I'm not hating. Myself and illthrowROCKS@you are simply disagreeing with the notion that some new members have about the quality of these bands vs. Deftones. That's all. We disagree with them.

Vehemently.

And as far as nu-metal? Well, I did like it...when Deftones did it!

[Inkblades]

Lol, exactly.