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Offline Korea Rounding

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I know the Eros music doesn't belong to the deftones, because they were under a contract with Warner when it was written.
But why can't warner say a price for the master tapes, and fans can put up whatever money they can and see if it's enough?
Those half-made songs are just rotting away somewhere anyway.


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I know the Eros music doesn't belong to the deftones, because they were under a contract with Warner when it was written.
But why can't warner say a price for the master tapes, and fans can put up whatever money they can and see if it's enough?
Those half-made songs are just rotting away somewhere anyway.

How do you know it doesn't belong to them? of course it does, they wrote the songs


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Lol we're not talking about some garage-demos here.

When deftones signed to warner, deftones got money from the label in advance to make records,in this case to make Eros.
When Eros should be released, the label would keep all the money made from the record sales until they had recouped their expenses, which includes the advance, recording costs, promotion and the legal fees.
After theses costs have been covered, deftones get a percentage of the record sale profit - called royalties.

Since no money have been paid back to Warner in record sales cuz of obvious reasons,it is their music.Not deftones.
Why do think Warner told chino to delete the song "Smile" when he uploaded it? Because it's not Chino's song anymore, it's recorded under Warners paid studio time, and they have the rights to that material because of signing.
I just want Warner to get back the expenses for the Eros sessions.

FYI, James Hetfield & co just recently became the owner of their (Metallicas) music. They bought it from the label.
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There's a slight difference between Metallica and Deftones when it comes to affording to buy back their catalog though.


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Lol we're not talking about some garage-demos here.

When deftones signed to warner, deftones got money from the label in advance to make records,in this case to make Eros.
When Eros should be released, the label would keep all the money made from the record sales until they had recouped their expenses, which includes the advance, recording costs, promotion and the legal fees.
After theses costs have been covered, deftones get a percentage of the record sale profit - called royalties.

Since no money have been paid back to Warner in record sales cuz of obvious reasons,it is their music.Not deftones.
Why do think Warner told chino to delete the song "Smile" when he uploaded it? Because it's not Chino's song anymore, it's recorded under Warners paid studio time, and they have the rights to that material because of signing.
I just want Warner to get back the expenses for the Eros sessions.

FYI, James Hetfield & co just recently became the owner of their (Metallicas) music. They bought it from the label.

I think you are talking shit


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This is spliced in their rehearsal vid from the Eros sessions, maybe it was meant to be artwork? They had a character like that in the background of their website in 2008

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I think you are talking shit

You seem to think that labels just pour money over artists, and then the artists are free to whatever the fuck they want anyway.
If that's not naive thinking I don't know what is

There's a slight difference between Metallica and Deftones when it comes to affording to buy back their catalog though.

Yes there is. So what's your point?


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Does anyone have the Revolver Magazine issue from December 2008? I believe there's an interview about Eros
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Yo V,

I don't have the scans but I do remember typing out the article on here back in the day...here it is:

Although the tentative title for the forthcoming Deftones release is Eros, drummer Abe Cunningham says the name (originally of the Greek god of love) isn't meant to imply that the Sacramento, California, crunch-art kings are serving up high-concept mythology metal on their sixth studio release. For the title's true inspiration, we can thank German TV.

"When we first started touring Europe a lot, many years ago, we would always be going through Germany and other countries in that particular area", recalls Cunningham, speaking fr his home while enjoying some time off, having completed tracking. "We'd be in our hotel rooms, and for lack of many channels, there'd always be some sort of German porn, and they would always say [in heavy, lusty accent] 'Eros.' It was just kind of funny, and it's been a joke for years. That's usually how things start; Just us goofing around. The working titles are all names of strippers, like 'Destiny.'"

The drummer says working to keep things fun is one of the keys to the band's longevity;  the Deftones - which also include vocalist Chino Moreno, guitarist Stephen Carpenter, bassist Chi Cheng, and keyboardist-sampler Frank Delgado - have now entered their 20th year together, yet recording Eros they still managed to come to work with a smile. It's all the more impressive considering the group endured major turbulence in recent years, including some very near-breakups.

"We've come very close to breaking up, especially in the past three or four years, maybe even five years, while we were having some really terrible times," he says. "I thought the band was really done, and that was a shitty feeling. But this band is what we do. I had a minute where I thought, Well, maybe I could do something else, but it felt very odd."

One of the low points cam during the two-year process of recording 2006's Saturday Night Wrist, during which the band clashed internally and with famed producer Bob Ezrin (Kiss, Pink Floyd, Jane's Addiction), who never finished the album. When the tension reached a breaking point, Moreno took a hiatus from the band and toured with his side project, Team Sleep, leaving the fate of the Deftones undecided. Once tempers cooled and the singer returned, however, the re-tooled Wrist tracks drew praise from critics and fans alike.

"I love that record. I think it turned out really well, as difficult and insane a process as it was, and as long it took, and the amount of money it cost," Cunningham says. "Never again do I want to repeat that process; it was horrible. I aged many years."

So this time around, the group re-enlisted their longtime collaborated and master of the knobs Terry Date, who produced each of the released prior to Wrist, as well as Pantera's best albums. "Having him back was wonderful," says Cunningham. "We've done pretty much everything with him in the past, and he's just the greatest dude. It was very comfortable, and just good times."

Working on the new record with Date, in their hometown and in their studio, was a pleasant change for the band, especially compared with the Wrist sessions. From conception to mixing (which is being done at a seperate facility), Eros took about a year to complete, and the results, according to Cunningham, have "a pretty lush production" with "jarring, knife-in-your-neck parts, but with floating-on-clouds, beautiful things, too." Perhaps more important, it sounds as though this time the band didn't tear each other to pieces along the way.

"Wrist was a cleansing process for everyone, and we realized we're best friends. We're just dudes who've been making music for 20 years now and having a good time, and that's really what it was all about from the get-go," Cunningham says ."It made the process all the more enjoyable and easy. I think our future records will be much better becasue the line of communication is open, and it feels great."

Then there's a little blip that says this:

Vital stats:
Title - Eros (Tentative)
Release date - January 2009
Producers - Terry Date
Recording in - The Spot (band's studio), Sacramento, California


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That's even better. Thanks dude!
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Nice read!
Renews the interest in 'Eros' though...


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Sorry for stirring up this seemingly hopeless for the moment topic, but i havenít checked the boards lately with lack of new album info so just catching up and saw that article. Is it me or does that make it sound much more finished or close to finish than the band leads us to believe these days?


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For the sake of conversation, here's a comment I just received on DeftonesLive, on our edit of Smile. I usually don't pay attention to that stuff. Dude sounds like he's in the know though...

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And the only track that was partly mastered with completed bass tracks from Chi.  Heís heard in a couple of band recordings belting about how bad ass it sounds.  If you donít know the band youíll prob never see it.  The bands still holding onto that material since technically they would have to split whatever money comes from it to chiís estate.  The album is on ice mostly for legal purposes unfortunately in that respect.  Itís also more of an EP and wouldnít have enough tracks for a full length given chiís unfinished parts.  Which is why splitting royalties if they complete it would get muddy.  The album has since then been heavily cannibalized in large parts for later releases.  Some tracks were completely ripped apart and reused for parts in No Koi Yokan.  Thatís partly why they havenít released it too.  Youíre welcome.  RIP CHI 🤘🏼
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