Deftones Bullshit Thread

[BillyNo.9]

Still love the song minus Serj parts

[One_Weak]

I got the track and knew it as "Fist." like many of their songs, the title didn't make any sense to me, but I didn't care because I love the song. However, on iTunes and some Youtube videos, it's called "First." So, which one is it!? Because "First" makes 110% sense, though regardless my opinion about the song of course makes no sense. I'm just curious. and as a 'fresh' fan, I figure others who've been listeners since Adrenaline actually came out might know.

[from_musings]

you would know this if you had bought the cd, it's in the booklet you cheap bastard. "Fist" .. or, "First" - was this suppose to be a new thread? ffs.. this place would be a real shit hole without the mods

[jbmp1390]

internet is serious business

lol you guys are right. I forget that sometimes haha.

[wheresmysnare]

Why can't we all just get along?

[snw9]

Listen to the demo and thats how the song was suppose to be. I like the original but the main chorus riff(which became serj's part) should have stayed after the verse rather than cutting that part out. The drums stand out in the song too and I think its a great unique song by the band.

[One_Weak]

you would know this if you had bought the cd, it's in the booklet you cheap bastard. "Fist" .. or, "First" - was this suppose to be a new thread? ffs.. this place would be a real shit hole without the mods

"cheap bastard." but yeah, I do have the CD, it just didn't come to me 'til the following morning (today) after I posted the question. I see it, where Deftones thanks Ross Robinson for producing "Fist." I just don't understand then why iTunes would label it "First" and to be honest Google isn't exactly the most reliable resolution because it gives an array of sources with differing answers. or maybe I'm just using that as a bullshit excuse 

speaking of bullshit, what's this Thread called? yeah, that's right...which is why I asked here, instead of making another thread entirely. now THAT would be an asshole move. regardless, thanks for the answer though I ultimately cut the laziness and looked at the CD booklet 

[asshole]

i love mein....even the video...lol but yeah mein is the shit Until serj part. If chino did cut him out that would explain why he didnt come out on the vid...

[Electron§]

Lol i realized a couple weeks ago i have every Deftones album except for S/T and ATF. (my original copy of S/T got thrashed by my car door). I didnt even know i had Adrenaline!

Speaking of the song "Fist", its always sort of to me sounded like what may have provided some of the inspiration for "Minerva". They sound similar.

[One_Weak]

to me "Fist" is just about his first girlfriend/lover, and the one that got away. that's just my interpretation though. great song, I only wish the lyrics were a little louder. great poetry though

[pinkmaggit]

I'm really not impressed by Sergio's singing - in fact I think it's really terrible and I don't know why the band lets him sing at concerts.
I understand that towards the end of a long tour Chino's voice is starting to take strain from all the abuse and maybe he feels he needs some help at certain points in some songs.
However I think that no matter how tired Chino is sounding even if he's having a really off performance, he will still sound 99999999 times better than Sergio.
I would really prefer it if Sergio just stuck to playing the bass and left the singing to Chino.
It was a different situation with Chi - I loved his low screaming/growling and in his case it really added something to the performance and complemented Chino well, especially on songs like  'Headup'.
In fact I always wished that the band had included more of Chi's screaming on the albums - it really worked well on 'Needles and Pins' which is one of my favourite songs.
It just doesn't work the same with Sergio.
Sorry I love the guy and I'm forever grateful that he stepped in and helped keep the band together - I love his bass playing, just not his singing.
He has such a great attitude and I think Deftones needed a good friend and someone with his positive attitude to help get them through hard times and think they might have called it a day if they were faced with recruiting a bass player they had no ties with. The band has a new sense of appreciation for each other which is very evident in interviews and I think Sergio helps nurture that.
After saying all this about Sergio's singing I watched a live video of Deftones on Youtube the other day and it was the first song that Sergio didn't sound too bad in. I can't remember which song it was or the date of the performance so I don't know if it was a freak occurance or if he is indeed getting better.
What are your opinions - maybe you can post some performances that show he is improving, if that is the case.
I'm not even sure - is singing something you can get better at or is it a case of being stuck with what you've got?
All this talk about Sergio has also got me wondering what he and the band will do when (and I say when because I refuse not to keep positive about it) Chi finally comes back.
I think it would take Chi a while to 're-learn' the bass and Sergio and the band would probably have done a few more albums together by that stage.
I really hope that when Chi comes back, Chino will do a side project with Sergio or maybe include him in Crosses.

[pinkmaggit]

The first thing that got me into Deftones was Chino's voice, Stef's awesome riffs and all the other things that make Deftones the greatest band in the world.
It was only after I had got into this band that I started to realise and notice what a really great drummer Abe is.
I was always the kind of person that just listened to a song and the melody and never really delved deeper and really looked closely at all the layers.
Especially the drums - they were always just something there in the background.
Abe changed that for me - all of a sudden the drums became an instrument every bit as important as voice and guitar and all of a sudden I was listening to all of the layers and really appreciating the drums the way they deserve to be appreciated.
So I can really say that Deftones changed music for me.
I had realized how amazing Abe's drumming was - it still mesmerizes me every time I listen to a Deftones song!
I love the way he doesn't go for the obvious,how his drumming always suprises me and the way he really pounds his kit,  like he's putting everything he has into it.
I really think Abe is a truly underrated drummer and I feel that he really is the most talented drummer ever.
I think it's a crime when I read ''best drummer lists'' and his name isn't there  and guys like Joey Jordison are right at the top.
Not to knock guys like Jordison but Abe makes drummers like that seem almost predictable.
Anyone else share my sentiments that Abe is the greatest drummer around and a vital part of Deftones sound?

[pony_01]

Sergio good at singing
but his scream is horrrible

[deftoolsys07]

The first thing that got me into Deftones was Chino's voice, Stef's awesome riffs and all the other things that make Deftones the greatest band in the world.
It was only after I had got into this band that I started to realise and notice what a really great drummer Abe is.
I was always the kind of person that just listened to a song and the melody and never really delved deeper and really looked closely at all the layers.
Especially the drums - they were always just something there in the background.
Abe changed that for me - all of a sudden the drums became an instrument every bit as important as voice and guitar and all of a sudden I was listening to all of the layers and really appreciating the drums the way they deserve to be appreciated.
So I can really say that Deftones changed music for me.
I had realized how amazing Abe's drumming was - it still mesmerizes me every time I listen to a Deftones song!
I love the way he doesn't go for the obvious,how his drumming always suprises me and the way he really pounds his kit,  like he's putting everything he has into it.
I really think Abe is a truly underrated drummer and I feel that he really is the most talented drummer ever.
I think it's a crime when I read ''best drummer lists'' and his name isn't there  and guys like Joey Jordison are right at the top.
Not to knock guys like Jordison but Abe makes drummers like that seem almost predictable.
Anyone else share my sentiments that Abe is the greatest drummer around and a vital part of Deftones sound?

Like.

[luisch]

totally indeed, really love all the abe work on the band

[deftoolsys07]

i think he's underrated, too.. or i mean you never picture him as "best drummer" or "most influencial drummer" or anything but he is really up there... it's his subtleties as well as pounding the fuck out of the kit that really makes him stand out, apart from all the groovin'

[Frequency_Chemist]

I definitely agree. Completely underrated drummer... as is the band imo.

[UrZ*]

Well not the greatest perhaps, but i do think he's one of the most creative drummers i've ever heard. (I play too, so i kinda keep an ear out for those things ;-) )

[mono]

Sergio good at singing
but his scream is horrrible

+1000000000000

[mono]

it´s true, completely underrated :/